Dallas Cowboys Release Tashard Choice
by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 29, 2011 1:03 PM CDT
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According to a twitter message from Tashard Choice, the Cowboys have released the fourth-year running back.
I just want to say thanks to all the great dallas cowboy fans. My time in Dallas has come to an end and the best is yet come. God bless.
Various sources in the Dallas Media have confirmed this move, which the Cowboys made to make room on the roster for Bruce Carter.
Choice was a popular favorite among Cowboys fans for a long time, particularly after stepping up in his rookie season in 2008 for an injured Marion Barbar and Felix Jones, and rushing for 88, 91 and 90 yards in consecutive games against the Steelers, Giants and Ravens. That December, Choice rushed for 325 yards and two TDs, and added 163 receiving yards. But Choice never was able to replicate that performance, rushing for only 667 yards since, and has fallen out of favor with many fans and the coaching staff since.
For the 2011 season, Choice rushed for only 75 yards on 28 carries, had 71 receiving yards, and had two fumbles in his last two games. After the breakout performance of rookie running back DeMarco Murray as well as the strong showing of fellow rookie Phillip Tanner against the Rams on Sunday, the writing was on the wall for Choice - since Monday, Choice, an avid twitter user, had not tweeted a single message until today's announcement.
The Cowboys will now enter Sunday's game against the Eagles with only two running backs, as Felix Jones is still out with a high ankle sprain.
Here's wishing you better luck somewhere else, Tashard.
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He and TO can both go to the Chicago Rush.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
by fs65 on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More likely the Redskins..
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Oct 29, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
might actually go to Philly....they don't seem happy with Ronnie at all of late...
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Tampa could probably use a back.
Let's be honest, I don't really care if he forgets to pay for jewels (who doesn't?), as long as he keeps dazzling on the field.
by Deztiny's Child on Oct 29, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Patriots?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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by thehogster65 on Oct 29, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
But Buehler stays . Please Jerry fire the gm.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 29, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Buelher is our 3rd RB
While I don’t think TC was special, I think he was an able body who, at worst, should have sat as the 3rd RB while Felix is injured. I guess the thinking was that the 3rd RB has to play Special Teams and TC never showed his ability (willingness) in Teams.
This move is at best hard to understand and at worst stupid.
I’m with you — why for the love of god does this team need Buelher? I know Bailey kicked one KO out of bounds but my beef with keeping Beulher is that he too has done that and if he’s just a KO specialist than he has to be INTENSELY and UTTERLY better than Bailey. And Bailey has to be a huge liability in KO. Neither of those are true.
Maybe Beulther is our ace 3rd RB?
the 3rd RB is the special teams and backup RB
and that’s VERY backup. JG was “nice” to use Choice on 3rd downs. That was his attempt to give him a chance – but he didn’t pass the test.
Now, ask yourself. Which would you rather have. A RB who really shouldn’t be playing at all, who does nothing for your special teams, that (although he did produce some in games where both the your 1st and 2nd RBs are hurt) didn’t really show anything beyond a few fumbles and average showings or a special teams kicker who is cheaper, who can consistently produce touchbacks, who just might be able to hit a 50+ FG here and there and who’s probably faster and better at kick coverage than your 3rd RB?
Tanner is better than Choice in terms of value to the team and can probably produce just as much as Choice did as the 3rd RB…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Oct 30, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said.
He's good, but he's no Danny White!
by Shaymer on Oct 30, 2011 11:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't argue with you here, FM
During a week when we might need a 3rd back, of all times, Choice is released but Buehler is here.
Defies logic.
"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic
With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.
We have a 3rd back.
His name is Tony Fiammetta.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Oct 30, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I along with other Chiefs fans hope that he goes to KC for a year
I have been thinking this guy was close to becoming a RB #1 for years.
2011 record 10-6. It worked for me last year!
Yup, I think he can do well somewhere else. Hers hoping its in the AFC haha.
I’d like to see him end up on the Steelers just so I can watch him play.
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Best wishes TC, it was time to move on.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Choice was highly thought of
until these last two games where he fumbled in both so I think we were just hedging our bets. We dont have all the information so to a lot of us “outsiders” ALL moves look suspect.
We signed Tanner, We signed Romo, we signed Miles, we signed Elam, we signed Sensabaugh, but all anyone wants to talk about is holding onto Choice too long.
Anyone like the drafting of Lee after all the crys last year when they were questioning the move…“he’s hurt too much”, “he’s not a good tackler”, etc, etc.
To listen to some, the Cowboys are filled with village idiots….the whole front office….
I like the direction of this team, the new look Oline, the new look Linebackers, Dez, Miles, the new Fullback, Ryan, etc.
Anyone can find a dark cloud because there are no perfect teams. We have won a playoff game since the Pats have. They last won one in the 2008 season, we won one in the 2009 season.
I like our direction!!!!!! The arrow is pointing UP!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
by CoachGary on Oct 29, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 13 recs
Annnd,....... Rec'd.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
correct me if I'm wrong....the Pats actually havn't won a playoff game since they went to the SuperBowl and lost to the Giants...
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah they missed the 2008 playoffs and lost to the ravens in 09 and the jets last year
09 i think was wild card and last year they got a bye
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 29, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Not this time.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
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Stunning ! Not Jerry.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 29, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont understand it at all
to think we could have Antonio Cromartie right now too
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
759? Is that the number of illegitimate kids he has?
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by fs65 on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
thats 1 Cromartie i don't want on my team
dude had like 6 kids that were 3 years old when he attemtped to name/age them. its a privliage to have a child but its even bigger responsibility & people who destroy kids with broken homes due to drugs, alcohol , abuse or mental abuse shud have there privliage taken away with a simple operation to keep them from having more kids to destroy. its cheaper then paying for the welfare or the jails to house the deadbeat parents. the public school systems cant keep up with the disorders children suffer from parents that just dont care or take drugs/alcohol before & after pregnancy (male & female).
sooner or later someone needs to be held accountable or figure out better ways to educate children so it becomes less of a problem.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
As much as I hate to admit to it
and it does, you do have a vaild point. Although as one who preaches individual responsibility, I should embrace your position with more vigor.
Was that true?
I remember reading it before last season started, but I don’t remember if it was just rumor. I hope it was/
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it was a big time rumor
of course I cant claim it to be true or false but it was a big rumor so I am willing to say there was some truth to it
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, I started the Choice for Cromartie rumor
lol
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
pls no Antonio Cromartie
he is mile away from RKG
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
My guess is that Jerruh didn't want to trade him back then.
But Choice’s bad play in the last 2 games finally convinced him to listen to his HC.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
yeah
most likely he held onto him for depth
I cant be too mad about not trading him because of Felix not being healthy, but Felix still isnt healthy, so that makes zero sense to me
should have made the trade, should have traded him for Cromartie if that was real
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Two words DeMarco Murray
If you need more? Phillip Tanner. Choice was released after those two showed what they could do.
Who are you? And how did you get in here?
I'm a locksmith..and..I'm a locksmith. -- Frank Drebin.
and Bruce Carter... next year he will backup McGee and Tanner
he runs a 4.39… Choice runs a 4.48… easy decision
Bruce Carter plays Linebacker,
So how can he backup at Running back?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
And QB?
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
Hes like Lee
Anything position Lee can’t do then Carter will do it.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Yea, fs65, ad his HC listened to Jimmy J.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
Choice was on the market soon as Dallas drafted Murray & signed Tanner
Felix better get his act together because his contract is about up & he hasn’t proven enough to get signed to any decent deal. hopefully Jerry learned his lesson about over paying RBs & hopefully Felix turns out to be the “wow” factor Jerry thought he was getting
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Jerry was lying
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I think Jerry was trying to drum up interest
by saying he already had offers
by somebodyquiet on Oct 29, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
good move
No progress stoppers on this team
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by Specific on Oct 29, 2011 1:11 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
exactly right for good or bad.
I can’t wait to see Carter get on the field.
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+100
I can’t wait to see Carter get on the field.
to me the biggest news here is that Bruce Carter is active!!!
boo-yah.
sean carter is operative for the first time in Dallas history.
i know … i need to be patient … it took Timmons a couple years to shine … but man am I excited for the Sean Lee / Bruce Carter ILB tandem
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Oct 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Patience
Let’s see if Carter can make some plays on special teams this week. That’s what I’ll be looking for. Anything more than that would be way ahead of schedule.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
+1000
Carter is a beast….as a Carolina guy….I loved watching him on Saturdays, now I get to watch him play for my beloved Cowboys on Sundays!!
by BWAREofDWARE94 on Oct 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly how I feel about Lee
As a PSU guy. Let’s hope he turns out just like Lee.
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you had me at hello.........
duke sucks.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 29, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't wait to see the number 54 properly represented again.
No offense personally to Bobby, but I was not happy that he didn’t do 54 justice.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
How is that # not retired?? Manster... Bruce Carter... time will tell
could be a pretty good front 7 with Lee and Carter…
The Cowboys do not retire numbers.
They just do not issue the number any more.
We have the Ring of Honor instead.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
But I see your point. They should have put 54 on the "do not issue" list
before it was stained by Bobby.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
That's funny...
When you combine the two names you get either Bruce Lee or Sean Carter aka Jay-Z. I guess that means the combination can only be Legen…wait for it…dary!
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
When you combine their two names you get Barney Stinson?
That’s awesome!
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
actually
Carter reminds me a lot of Timmons, Timmons took a few years but I always liked him
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
dude runs like deer & will cover serious ground with that speed but i just hope he has the football IQ to play the position.
i read 2 different opinions of him but now its time for RR to find ways to work him in the defense.
are players allowed to be in meetings & workouts while on pup?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
He is not on PUP anymore.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
This is random, but I saw him and Kanye in concert last night.
It was a crazy awesome concert.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Progress Stoppers? Wow
Choice a progress stopper? With him not being played the last two years hardly at all, how do you state that?
Here is a good idea:
Try Felix Jones, not Tashard.
Garrett just never knew how to utilize Tashard. Add to that his weak run offense philosiphy, and no wonder you want to make Tashard the scapegoat. The real problem lies in Garrett and his decisionmaking regarding running backs, they’re rotation, and Garrett’s run offense mentality.
I wonder if fans would be outraged if, after DeMarco has played well, he sticks him on the bench and continues the bulk of carries to Felix, and then you sit there after a couple of years of Ho-hum run offense with Felix. That is exactly what has happened with Tashard by the way. He truly is better off elsewhere, if only to revitalize his desire to play, because Garrett has not been smart about our run offense, and people only now are starting to realize that it seems. In short, Garrett is below average as an offensive coordinator if his pass offense is great but his run offense is bad.
Not playing Tashard was never my biggest issue with Garrrett, but blind belief that Felix was going to become something he never was, and handing him the keys without him earning that right to become the starter hurt our team. I hope he doesn’t screw up with DeMarco that way, or Tanner, but we shall see what kind of decisionmaking he does when Felix comes back from injury. Felix should be demoted to 3rd string RB.
The Dallas Cowboys should always have been about strong run offense, especially in short yardage situations down near the goalline.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Regardless of how many snaps you get,
if you are ahead on the depth chart, you are stopping someone’s progress.
In fact, the fewer snaps you get, the bigger a progress stopper you are.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
idk
I used to love Choice, but then that Redskins fumble happens, which I overlooked and gave him a pass
then he gets an autograph on national television after a gut wrenching 30-27 loss, that was groupie status, you do that stuff after the game in the locker room
then he fumbles when we are driving into the redzone, then he fumbles against the Rams in the redzone again
it was time to move on, it was brewing for a while
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
? Did you mean to reply to me?
Because we both said the same thing in simultaneous replies to DallasPalace.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
it was a reply to you, hit the up button and you can tell
I know sometimes its hard to tell
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I know it was to me.
I asked, did you mean to reply to me? Because I thought we were on the same page with the “progress stopper” thing. And you said idk.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
I use IDK a lot, its a figure of speech I guess
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
technically he was a progress stopper
he was holding Tanner back and technically Murray, Choice was the #2 and actually was the “starter” the Rams game
who knows, if Murray doesn’t bust out that 91 yarder, Choice could have been getting majority of the carries
I used to think Choice was something special like yourself, but recently I saw what he is, a depth player and not a very good one
he was missing huge holes and running right into his blockers, his pass protection was average, he really has no speed, he was awful in short yardage and worst of all he coughed the ball up
the Choice of previous years was a way better running back, idk what happened to that player but he is a shell of his former self
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
you said exactly what I was thinking...my fingers just don't work as quickly as yours do....lol
our loss against the Patriots can be blamed on him easily for that lost fumble on the 20…our loss that sent our season into a tailspin last year who coughed up the ball? Who lost the ball against the lowly Rams and ensured he would never play another down as a Cowboy?….his turnovers and lack of production of late when given a chance have been horrendous….I wish him well on his journey but I am glad we get the chance to watch Murray and Tanner this weekend…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Where was the #1 franchise RB we selected.
Oh yeah. Hurt again.
Felix Jones is the ultimate Progress stopper.
Can you imagine us with Ray Rice who I wanted badly or any of the other franchise backs that were selected after him on this team.
Choice was a fifth round pick. It just amazes me the hate he has received when we have one of the the few backs out of that draft that’s been a bust.
I guess people don’t want to pile on Felix since so many were happy we drafted him.
I don’t have that problem. He’s got to go.
by Sharksbreath on Oct 29, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
to me a player is a player in the draft....
do I have favorites or players that I think we would do better with than others? Yes but I’m not lining up to classify this guy or that guy a bust. With Ray Rice and MJD being so small there was serious debate whether they would be able to deal with the punishment of being a primary back at this level. They have proven their doubters wrong and that speaks highly of them. At the time with his measurables and lack of injury until this point in his career what were the red flags that said that Felix would be a bust? His draft placement is not his fault. Injuries can derail anybodys career at any time. If they happen early its a shame.
In the draft it is easier to say with hindsight who you should have taken over who. Larry Allen worked out well…from that big time college of Sonoma State….who would have thunk it. You hit and miss all the time.
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't hindsight grand?
We should all be hired as cheif scounts, because we obviously know more than they do because they had Mendenhall rated higher on OUR board than Rice and CJ2K, and BTW how is CJ2K doing these days?
A running back is about 80% Oline and 20% about his skills, the only exception I can think of for that rule is Barry Sanders, and there are always exceptions to every rule.
Monday Morning QB’s are great too.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
The Tashard Choice issue for Garrett is this CoachGary
If Demarco Murray and Tanner have good games running the ball for the team while Felix is injured, what is Garrett gonna do when Felix comes back if DeMarco and Tanner give the Cowboys that consistent running game they have lacked?
Myself, since I’ve watched Garrett make blunders with the run offense consistently, I feel he’s going to start Felix and sit DeMarco and Tanner, after they have given the team the spark they need in the run game, just as he did with Tashard 2 years ago after Felix came back, and our run offense will suffer because of this, and it will break up a good rotation that he finally will have developed with Demarco and Tanner because he is Garrett, and he will try to do too much, and it will screw things up.
I wonder if he has it within his ability to accept that if DeMarco and Tanner do well, that he say’s to himself “Maybe I should leave this alone, because it’s working”, because in the past in the run offense, when something did work, he went away from it for whatever reason. If he cares about the run offense, you would think that he wouldn’t want to screw up a good chemistry out there with the run offense.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I will be just as interested in how he handles this as well.
Dont remember what the situation was but he went against the “Old Ball Coach” axiom of “You dont lose your job because of injury.”
An injury happend but Garrett did not give the job back to the incumbent. One example was Miles Austin taking over Roy Williams Starting job and keeping it when Roy got healthy, but that was under Wade, and the one I am thinking about I believe was on the O-line last year or this year obviously.
Could be mis-remembering on that….has happened before.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Felix might be a bust
But choice being number two on the depth chart was a way bigger progress stopper to our two other backs who we’d like to see prove themselves now that they have an opportunity
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by Specific on Oct 29, 2011 3:44 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You know TruBlu
If Garrett sat Tanner and Demarco for the next two years, after the way they played in the run game, and played Felix-the-average-cat heavily, with Tanner and Demarco getting little reps, what would Demarco and Tanner turn into when they were needed two years from now?
Answer: average backs that needed reps to get better and get into the flow of the offense and become part of the offense, but instead became average because they sat on the bench, questioning they’re own ability to play at a high level in the NFL. They might even fumble alot.
That’s what a coach that mismanages his offense is capable of making occur.
Whatever happened to just darned giving the ball to the person that earns that right?
I’m going to be real interested in seeing what Garrett does with Demarco and Tanner when Felix gets back from injury. I’ll be watching that like a hawk.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
and if any play that doesn't turn out how you think it should turn out shows up I'm sure we'll hear all about it....
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of NFL stars
are only that way because they got their shot because of an injury.
Not JUST those who play for us, as DallasPalace would infer. It happens on EVERY team in the NFL. Injury produces hidden Gem.
And everyones favorite player on any team that is struggling is always the Backup QB….all you will hear is how great he is and how often does the backup QB fall flat on his face? More often than not because contrary to popular opinion, he is the backup for a good reason.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
the Packers got lucky with their RB last year....
their gem showed up when they needed it most and he wasn’t even given the starting position this year…..it went right back to Starks and Ryan Grant is the rotational guy so I guess that makes McCarthy an idiot right who needs to learn how to use his running backs….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Think what you want about McCarthy TruBlu
But without that success in the running game, no super bowl for the cheeseheads.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i was using it as an argument against what you said...
the fact that the RB that led the Pack to their super bowl win is the backup this year instead of being the lead back….thats what you are complaining about with JG right?…his lack of ability to play the guys that earn their spot….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The issue is the run offense for us
the point is, the run offense hasn’t been high on the priority list for Garrett while he has been OC/HC. It should have been all along. If you care about winning, you do something about it.
Right now, my issue with Garrett is this: Now that you let Tashard go, what are you going to do with DeMarco and Tanner after Felix comes back from injury? Sit them just like you did Tashard 2 years ago and let them waste away while you try to force Felix into becoming something he hasn’t proven he can be- an every down back?
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
and what we were trying to tell you was that the reason he didn't commit to the running game before this year was due to the fact the offensive line didn't have the proper mindset for it...
as for what JG does when Felix is healthy lets see what he does before crucifying him….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I've already seen
what Felix is. I wrote many times over the last 3 years that making him an every down starting back would be a mistake.
I thought when Garrett (and yes, Garrett spoke up during that draft to get him rather than Chris Johnson, whom I thought was going to be the pick) drafted Felix, he would use him as a 3rd down back/reciever, and I especially believed that was the role Felix was moving toowards after they let Crayton go to SD. But that is not what Garrett did.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 21, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
run offense isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be
Currently, the best team in the NFL is the undefeated Green Bay Packers. They rank 24th in rushing yards per game (99.9) and as weak as the Cowboys run game is (15th @ 114.7 yards per game) it is still better than the defending Champs.
Also, the best rushing team in the NFL right now doesn’t even have a winning record.
The KEY to winning is points per game.
Here are the top five points-per-game leaders: Passing TDs / Rushing TDs
Green Bay ………………..20 to 5
New Orleans …………….19 to 8
Buffalo ……………………14 to 8
Detroit …………………….19 to 4
New England……………..18 to 6
Scoring wins games, and Passing is the way to score in the NFL today.
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
Oh no not that same old argument Bish
I thought we were over that years ago? Are we going to re-hash that again?
Even you admitted that the run offense has to get better, so what’s wrong with placing the responsibility of that on the person responsible for that to happen?
Run offense to help passing game and Romo- is that so bad? We can’t just drop him back to throw every time you know
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by DallasPalace on Nov 21, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Not to be a stickler,
But the speaker IMPLIES, and the listener INFERS. When you speak you imply, when you listen to what a person speaks, you infer.
Thanks, I stand corrected.
I had forgotten that distinction. It is one of those things that we should be able to remember.
I remember when I told someone that the words “irregardless of” was not proper english, that “regardless of” means the same thing and the words he was looking for was “irrespective of” he got mad.
I am grateful for corrections because Words have meaning and if we dont respect that, then we lose the ability to get our message out with the correct meaning.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
lol yeahI type too fast bro
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe, but tashard wrote his own ticket out of dallas...
garrett may not be handling him or the running game properly, and skip peete may not be a very good running backs coach, but neither of those guys kept coughing up the ball. neither caused choice to run out of bounds at the end of a game where we NEEDED him to stay in bounds. tashard has to take some responsibility on this.
Tashard being used as a 3rd down back
was Garrett’s idea. Garrett made it obvious to opposing defenses that it was a run by putting Tashard in there at the end of drives after felix was in there at the beginning of drives. The RB rotation was stupid. Tashard is not the banger that Garrett was using him as. And now, he is the scapegoat? wow
Can’t we just say “bad run offense management” and leave it at that?
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Oct 29, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Thank you. Thank you so very much.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
well played sir....
rec’d
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean Romo's urine is Tiger blood?
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I can see, Fan, that the topic of bringing up Garrett as a bad run offense manager is still a touchy subject with you. Perhaps, because of one good game by Demarco, you seem to think all is cured?
Or maybe you might want to make a post about the statistics that prove Garrett’s run offense has been great all along?
There still is alot to prove with the run offense. One game is not the cure-all elixir for our run offense woes.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Garret plays to his strengths
He knows that his line isnt the best at run blocking against certain types of defenses, so he’ll go pass heavy. When the running game proves to work, he’ll use it extensively (see the Rams as the example)
Look at these numbers when assessing a grade to Garrett:
2007 : # 3 offense in league
2008: #13 offense in league
2009: #2 offense in league
2010: #7 offense in league (5-3 as HC, with a chance to win every single loss)
2011: #6 offense in league (3-3 as HC with a chance to win every single loss)
imagine all of that production for a minute. Factor in the decline of TO, patrick crayton being the #2 WR, the injuries to romo this year, last year, and 08, the injuries to MB3 and felix, the Roy Williams debacle, the aging – and then too young offensive line, so on and so forth.
Our offense has been pretty darn good… dangerous even, for a while now under Garrett.
Usually we see coach bashing after losses, but after a win? really?
How about the QB bashing 2 weeks ago?
That doesn’t seem to be the case this week though. The emergence of a running threat has everything to do with that. Don’t you think our head coach should have thought of that already during his tenure as OC/HC in waiting?
But I guess the losses to the Jets and Lions are “OK” to alot of people.
There is no way your line is going to get better if you don’t call enough, or the right, run plays for the right situations. Using the RB’s wrong doesn’t help. When a RB isn’t doing good enough, you try a different one. This is what makes Garrett revert to passing alot of times. Other times, passing is just his arrogance showing- like the end of the detroit game.
What Garrett now seems to be realizing is, when you have a good run offense, your pass offense works better, and you keep defenses on they’re heels. They can’t guess at your play as being pass or run as easily as when your run isn’t working.
Production means little if it doesn’t end in post season victories and super bowls. No one says “They lost, but they were productive, so thats good”.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
True
And talking about yards without mentioned offensive points scored is like saying the operation was a success but the patient died—ignoring the most important thing.
Like you, I think Choice was not used well.
No, he wasn't Kindablue
and what Fan in thick and thin seems to forget in his jab at me is this:
Let’s not act like Garrett is above making mistakes.
My concern with Garrett mishandling DeMarco and Tanner is legitimate, especially regarding the return of Felix-the average-cat. It’s Garrett’s mishandling of the run offense that is the issue, whether he likes it or not.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness to Garrett
I’m not sure he has a completely free hand with who plays. Jerry admitted on the radio a couple of years ago that he makes decisions on who gets to play. Felix is one of his favored golden boys, so Garrett may have been told to play him regardless.
It doesn’t excuse Garrett’s unskilled play calling or (perhaps even worse) his lack of understanding of game management, but in the case of Jones his hands might be tied. There’s always the counter argument that JG never should have taken the job if he didn’t have full autonomy, but that’s a different subject.
You must of misunderstood because
I have heard Jerry say a hundred times that he lets the head coach make the decisions on who to play.
So, since he has said he lets the Head Coach make those decisions, and it fits with his managment style of “concensus” management, then I have to believe you misheard him or he was being sarcastic. Some people cant discern sarcasm without seeing body language, and that is real hard when listening to the radio.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
And Garrett is the one that stood up in that draft
and made his pitch for Felix instead of Mendenhall, so Felix is Garretts “Golden Boy.”
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Garrett recommended Jones
But there was lots of discussion and JG hardly seemed decisive. There was no pitch. It was captured on camera and made it to the 2008 season of Hard Knocks.
What hard knocks were your watching.
But the one I saw had Garrett making a “pitch” to draft Felix and even saying…“Mendenhall is not a change of pace back like Felix is. I prefer we take Felix because he is and he is the kind of home run back that we need.”
That is paraphrasing what he said, and my memory is not perfect, but that “sales pitch” resonated with me because I wanted a “home run” back, and that is why it stuck with me.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
No misunderstanding
Here’s the verbatim transcript of the interview, which occurred in late October 2009. I wrote it down because I couldn’t believe that Jerry was stupid enough to actually say it:
Interviewer: I mean, like, okay, I’ll give you a good example. I’m looking at Tennessee, and, and they say Bud Adams wants Vince Young to start, and then Vince Young ended up starting. Was there ever an instance where you had, maybe, Jimmy or anyone you said, “you know we need to get this guy out here on the field.”
Jerry: I think we’ve done that with young players, principally, and the answer’s yes, and—I –no, I won’t give you the examples, but, uh, it’s happened frequently.
I think you are engaging in wishful thinking. Nothing else would explain why Jones is still the starter, or Ogletree is still on the roster.
I dont see any thing that Jerry said where he said
he decides who starts. What Jerry will do is to offer who Jerry should go and get for a coach that they both want for the team.
If saying “WE”…..“We need to get this guy out there on the field”, means that Jerry is saying “I need”, then you are neglecting the fact that the Head Coach and Jerry very well could have discussed it and arrived at a concensus of who they should get so they can play him.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
My point is that I also have read
Where Jerry has said he has made suggestions to the head coach to spark a debate to see how firmly the Head coach belives in who is playing, and then still leave the decision in the Head Coaches hands.
Nothing in that article would tell me that the quote “you know we need to get this guy out here on the field”, means it was an ultimatum, and if you know anything about Jimmy and Parcells you know they would not stand for anything close to an ultimatum.
And it makes perfect sense when you consider all the articles that talk about Jerry getting “concensus” and in some I read where Jerry said he would make “suggestions” just to see how committed and sure his head coach was to his decisions.
Jerry has said several times that the final decision on who is on the roster is Garretts. Now, that doesnt mean that they dont talk it over and that Jerry doesnt make suggestions. If I owned the team, I would want to be in the loop too, but Jerry believes in the John D. Rockefeller principal that “you hire great managers and let them manage, all the while engaging them on their decisions and holding them accountable.”
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
So okay then
I’ve said my stuff about Garrett. Now. let me say this about Jerry:
Maybe he now realizes Felix-the-bust-cat is not worthy of getting the majority of carries possibly, give those carries to DeMarco and Tanner, and we build from there, with no more Jerry meddling.
If JG was told by Jerry to play Felix regardless, then Jerry deserves Felix falling on his face like he has. He is a bust in my eyes, and I saw no reason why Tashard sat the bench over him after Tashard did good enough to get more touches than what we saw him used like by Garrett the last 2 years. It’s bad management, period.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
JG was not told by Jerry to play Felix.
Felix was the starter because he outplayed Barber and eveyone saw how much better the team played with Felix.
And Felix may be a bust in some peoples eyes but not with people who do Football decisions for a living and get fired for not making the right choices.
Choice was a good back, but everyone that is in the Cowboys management team thought Felix would do well as the full time starter.
I dont fault guys for getting injured, and we have yet to see a full year from Anyone sice Barber was sent packing.
RB’s are generally a “flavor of the month” kind of hot button and so as Parcells famously said….“You really dont know much about any team until the half way point, the 8th game played.”
The drafts are a concensus and not a Jerry Draft or a Garrett, or a Parcells draft.
Parcells wanted to take Spears at number 11, but the Draft Room concensus was for Ware, so we took Ware. Anyone that thinks Jerry makes all the decisions should read more books and articles from those close to Jerry.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=5330AE0F-D029-654E-864639501FD903F6
Notice this quote from the above article:
“Josh: No, it’s not going to happen. Everyone should’ve accepted that fact long ago. It’s his company, and this is the way he wants to run it. But you have to know he isn’t as hands-on as most people perceive him to be. Jerry takes advice from the entire front office, and tries to reach a consensus. Some of those people could change, but he will still be the GM. "
Notice again the word “Concensus”. You will find that word in almost every article written by anyone that doesnt hate Jerry.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
If that is what defending the truth instead
of accepting the perception, then so be it.
Anytime you go against the Poplual opinion, you have to be ready to take personal attacks instead of debating the facts. Started already.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
With all respect Coach
this is all interesting, and great debate topic, one worthy of a fanpost itself.
The run offense for the Dallas Cowboys, and it’s effectiveness under Garrett, and what needs to be done from here is the biggest issue with the team I believe.
Whether it’s Garrett, Jerry, Wade, or even Parcells, the point is, it has to get better under Garrett’s direction. Can he do it? I’d like to believe it can. But I have my doubts about the decisionmaking and playcalling, and I always have, under Garrett.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I look at the outstanding records for our offense
since Garrett took over the offensive play calling.
All those 4000 yard passing games, 300+ passing games, 13-3 season, etc, etc, is either one of three things:
1. Garretts scheme and play calling.
2. Romo’s great play at QB.
3. A combination of the two.
I like to think it is both. Garrett and Romo make a pretty good pair. Garrett learned while whatching one of the best ever in Troy and watched Norv work the play chart for many years.
Being called a “shill” for Jerry is mild compared to the name calling over at DC.COM, and Chia will tell you, I never call anyone names because it is not respectful and I am all about being that.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Ooops 4000 yard passing seasons....brain-fart.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
and Goo'd
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 29, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The tinker toy rb system doesn't work in Dallas. U need a bell cow and a backup.
Rotating 3 just doesn’t worl
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 29, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
this is stupid to just flat out release him right now with just 2 healthy backs
how does Buehler keep a job? amazing
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
Hopefully Jerruh is just avoiding the injury settlement and Ferris is cut as soon as he is healthy.
Maybe next week.
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I doubt it
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Key word was "hopefully".
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
BTW Chia, will you post a link to your youtube channel?
I can’t find it.
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that guy who posted the games got taken down man
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Crap. Thanks though. I'll check you out.
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I went to go watch it the other day
and it was taken down, sucks because this guy had every single game uploaded the entire game man
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I really liked the kid. Not as a football player, but he seemed like a really nice guy.
But reducing the argument to Buehler is a little simplistic. He’s not the only one the Cowboys kept over Choice. Here are a couple of names who the staff apparently think are better than Choice (no. of snaps in 2011 in brackets)
WR Jesse Holley (36)
S Danny McCray (15)
DE Clifton Geathers (8)
OLB Alex Albright (7)
OT Jermey Parnell (3)
OG Daniel Loper (-)
OG David Arkin (-)
I think this list tells you everything you need to know about Choice’s standing with the coaches.
by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 29, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Great point. Rec'd.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
I like Choice too
But it became apparent that he was not a RKG. Its clear that he looks up to TO and Vick. if they are your role models, then you are not a RKG in my opinion
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by dave33 on Oct 29, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah those 2 back to back games with fumbles.. i knew he ws otw out as soon as injuries healed or Carter was ready to go .
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
and the run out of bounds
in the washington game when we were running clock
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also...
that tanner guy is pretty good. think his development might have a lil to do with it too. although it’s probably minor compared to the anti-awesomeness of his said infamous fumbles and game-changing blunders in the past and recent future.
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Daniel Loper, what a scrub
I mean most of those guys you gotta keep, like McCray is actually a really good football player
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
he's a "churn the bottom of the roster" guy...he is probrably who goes next.....
with Holland doing so well in the Rams game and Dockery returning the future is written…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We should pick up Leigh Bodden who was dropped by the Pats
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Oct 29, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Bodden was cut?
I would sign him and keep him over Walker
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Talked to my Pats fan buddies.
They said that Bodden has been average at best since his foot injury. They said the tail-off was noticeable, and he’s not the weapon he once was.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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He got cut because he didnt want to be the nickel corner
I live in NE and from what i’ve seen he’s their best corner…
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Oct 29, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So, New England would cut their best Corner
just because he wouldnt play the nickle?
I think it had to be his play because I heard the same thing about him being average.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Of course they would cut him for that
Belicheck doesnt take BS from anyone. And yes your best corner can be your nickel corner, ours is……….
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Oct 29, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a big fan of Dockery
But I’m gonna give him more then one game before sentencing the guy any further. That is just my feelings on it.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
You just fail to unerstand how important it is to be at least two deep at kicker
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Please explain it to me again
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 29, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
We should sign another kicker
then we would have the NFL’s first three headed kicker monster.
by cowboy north on Oct 30, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you Tashard Choice for your time here
I couldn’t stand you this year because you played like a scrub but I want to thank you for your service to this fanbase and organization for your other 3 years here
you may go on to a new found success with a team that needs a RB, you definitely have the talent to be a successful RB in the NFL
sorry it didn’t work out here, but thanks for your time here, I wish things could have worked out better
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope the guy lands
And has a stellar “serviceable” career. I’ve always liked him and his sense of humor. Having said that, he’s a marginal player. Good luck to him.
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 29, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Like everyone I lost faith in Choice
But when I look back to the point when it all started to go south. It was that first game of the season last year. Cowboys and Redskins, thirty seconds to half and Garrett called some stupid swing pass to Choice. Choice got stripped, Skins scored. Wade took the heat and Choice never realy got out of Garrett’s dog house.
by cowboy north on Oct 30, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The Garrett Guillotine claims another
Roy Williams
Marion Barber
Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode
Marc Colombo
and now Tashard Choice
I love the rebuilding and I love that we’re trading out a 26 year old under-performer in Choice for a 23 year old overperformer in Phillip Tanner.
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Ain't it a beautiful thing?
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
word.
it’s amazing to me that they haven’t found someone to replace the tree. he’s an athlete, but he’s apparently as dumb as a box of rocks…
Hey rocks have a purpose
Stop trying to insult them.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Cool picture, man
"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic
With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.
the move should have been made months ago
Tanner is the better player the better RB
Tanner is the real deal folks
he is our best short yardage back, he has great burst and size, he has that punishing style too
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
And don't forget
Our bright Head Coach that has made Tanner sit the bench up till now when Tanner went out there with his chance and forced the issue.
And also, what happens when Felix get’s un-injured? That’s when you will see Garrett for what he is- a mental midget regarding the run offense. Mark my words, if he gives the bulk of the carries to Felix, and sits Demarco and Tanner, what then Chia?
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
geez.....if you hate Garrett just say so....
how do we know what happens with the running back rotation until it happens?
could Felix’ lack of running this year have been due to his shoulder? Give our boys a chance to sort things out on their own without decreeing that JG sucks due to something that hasn’t happened yet…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to forget
How long Garrett has had to adress the run offense issues
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
how long has he had an offensive line that was just that?
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
How long does he need?
4 years ago it was obvious the team needed to do something about a rapidly aging Oline, not just now.
Excuses for neglect of the run offense, it’s misuse, and no drafting of Oline were always an issue under Garrett.
That’s the question:
How long does he need?
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and the first year he's able to do something about it as the HC he has
Columbo Gurode Davis all gone from that underperforming line…..he’s giving it new blood and more than any other unit it needs time to gel…the game against the Rams might have been the sign that the players were actually getting used to each other and we may see a new commitment to the run that JG was unable to show before.
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem is TruBlu
He has been OC for some time now. Fans should find it hard to believe that when our Oline and run offense are that bad, for as long as it has, that something should have been done about that in the pas, being that it has been that way for years. He may not have that ability as a coach.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't tell the offensive line what to wear in practice...
once JG took over last year he put the line in pads during the week and held them accountable for their performance….something he didn’t have the power to do as a simple OC…give credit where credit is due….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So Wade ran the offense while Garrett was OC?
I doubt that
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
no
but Wade “set the tone” which Garrett as OC would not or could not go against…I am sure that Garrett wanted to install that but until he was the HC he didn’t have the authority
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
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by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 29, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
wade ran the team while JG was OC
as far as practices and how those practices were carried out JG had to do what wade wanted him to do…
look at the differences…running from drill to drill is whats expected now..not walking….wearing pads during the week is what JG put in..not what Wade wanted….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Many times
Many people stated Wade had nothing to do with the offense. Garret has been in total charge.
What is this excuse making in deferring responsibility from upgrading the teams offense from Garrett?
This year, we saw two monumental losses at the end of games because of not even looking to use the run offense correctly from the beginning of the game.
Then Garrett comes out and say’s “we are not gonna get to where we want to go without running the ball effectively”.
Don’t you think he could have made a statement like that to the offense years ago?
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Being the head coach means something
Clearly Garrett could not practice in pads as he wanted to. It was the first change he made after Wade left.
Also, how much say does the offensive coordinator have in the draft room? You have Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, scouting director, and Wade Phillips all ahead of Jason in the pecking order of those 2007-2010 drafts.
Now that he’s head coach and that Jerry has given him “final say” in all personnel decisions Jason actually can form his roster whereas up until this year he had to deal with the Leonard Davis’ and Roy Williams’ that were given to him.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade had nothing to do with the offense
if people actually think Wade was involved in the playcalling or offense they need to smell the starbucks
it was so divided, Garrett ran the offense, Wade ran the defense
there was no interaction, I bet Wade wasnt even at offensive meetings
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
But there are many things even an OC on an island can't do
See my above reply.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that
he has way more say and pull on personnel decisions now, which is good
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
But when your both the OC and
the Head Coach it changes your thinking. When JG was just the OC, all he had to worry about was moving the ball down field.
Once your both the OC and the Head Coach, as the Head Coach you have to worry about clock managment and field position, just like the Pats game. If Garrett was just the OC, my money is on him not playing to not lose, but playing to win by getting more points.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
thats why I want an OC......
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I can definately see that point.
I have mixed feelings about that.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Norv will be available
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
+1
and he would be a good hire.
I think Garrett makes a better head coach then he does a offensive coordinator and Norv has had much better success as a coordinator then has ever had as a head coach.
This could be a great scenario
"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic
With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.
this is what I want
I want Garrett to focus on being a head coach because he is a great head coach
he should still be heavily involved with the offense, but a OC to do all the work would make a lot of sense to me
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Chia, you just might be right.
Hard to argue with your logic.
I am just not as sure as you are because there are good reasons to be both.
If your both you do what is best for the team, but as OC, you are thinking more narrowly.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
thanks
thats the logic/reason I see for an OC
having an OC he does all the dirty work and has to only focus on that area
Garrett would still be the main guy but having an assistant so to speak to carry some of the load would really help out
because I think Garrett is a great head coach man
the culture he is developing should have been installed years ago but when Parcells left Wade let this team run into the ground
there was no foundation with Wade
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
the foundation was there as far as players...
what happened with Wade is what happens when you are trying to addon to a sturdy house and knock out a load bearing frame without support around it…..
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think what they do in New Orleans would be something good.
Get a guy like Norv Turner to work with Romo and the offense and run it the way Garrett likes, but leave the weekly work to Norv and maybe
thats exactly what I want, what the Saints do
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm....
Could work with someone like Norv, but the idea has to be Garretts or Jerry will not want to have not only increase his costs for Coaches, and not a small increase at that, but I dont think Jerry wants to step on Garretts toes.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
we do do what the Saints do....
Payton calls all his plays doesn’t he?
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet
Some of Wade’s defensive meetings were down right offensive. I certainly was offended by the defensive play last year
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by CDMac24 on Oct 30, 2011 12:02 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
tanner has to learn to pass block, etc
It’s a process
by somebodyquiet on Oct 29, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!
I need a guillotine gif
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Dont let the door hit ya on the way out!
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Nah, he took it well and thanked the organization
he was classy about being let go.
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I bet Choice ends up a Redskin
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
He'll end up in Miami
We all know this. That’s where old Cowboys are put out to pasture.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
usually I would say Miami
but Bowen is his BOY and if the skins offer him a deal he will go there
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
He’ll end up wherever a paycheck is offered!
by Risky Business!! on Oct 29, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago is the new Cowboys Camp North
I guess Mike Brown sold the rights to Chi-town
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So we have
Dallas Cowboys
Chicago Boys
Miami Cowphins
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
If Tashard goes to Washington
you can add the Cowskins to that list
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Bowen went there, that's his boy, Choice will be a Washington Redskin, you heard it here first
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
I said same thing on Raf's site
Once Tim Hightower went out with an ACL injury, I wondered if that’s where he would end up. I even kind of wondered if that was reason #2 why Jerry held on to him with #1 being Felix injury. I’m not scared of him but I could see some real motivation for him 2x/yr against us.
Shanahan knows how to produce RB’s.
Together, we WILL make it happen!
by nikeorlipstick on Oct 29, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Choice took it like a man!
He didn’t throw a fit or start trashing anyone … he just took it.. Good luck Choice… wish more NFL players were like that!!
word
he took it way better than Crayton did
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
We should never have cut Crayton
:’(
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh* you know what I meant
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Roy should have been cut because Crayton actually produced and was clutch
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
you're not serious Chia...
clutch as in dropping a TD in the endzone that would have won us the playoff game against the Giants that he talked so much smack about beforehand? Clutch as in not running a route completely that led to an incompletion against those same Giants on that same drive also might have been a touchdown? I’m glad Crayton is gone….he turned into a loud mouthed underperforming scrub his last couple of years in Dallas…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Everything he said was right
He was a loud mouth because he didn’t tow the Wade Phillips line and the Wade Phillips line led us to 1-7. I think Crayton would be a locker room leader for a coach like Garrett.
Under-performing?
2009:
Crayton – 622 yards
Roy Williams – 596 yards
and yet it was Crayton who was traded while Roy and Wade remained in 2010.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
for what was expected of him he underperformed....he wasn't a threat as a number 2 but a chain mover....
a good slot WR that didn’t have the breakaway ability on the outside that was needed….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you talking about, he was a 7th round pick
He was set to make $2 million in 2010, 1/5th of Roy Williams’ price and still performed better than him.
What more expectations could you have of him?
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Touchdowns.
Wide Receivers are paid to score touchdowns first and everything else second.
Roy averaged 7 TD’s a year for every year he started.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
No he did not
He scored 1 TD in all of 2008 and 5 in 2010.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
When I said he averaged 7 TD's,
I hope you noticed that I qualifed that with “every year he started.”
He wasnt the starter in 2008.
So, lets average his TD’s over all the years as a starter, and if I get to “round up” then I am right, if I dont get to round up to the nearest TD, well then I was so close that it deserves some sort of recognition for that.
Roy starter years:
2004 8 TD’s
2005 8 TD’s
2006 7 TD’s
2007 5 TD’s
2009 7 TD’s
2010 5 TD’s
====
40 TD’s
years 40 / 6 = 6.67
So, I guess 6 and three-quarters isnt 7, but it is still pretty good, yes?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Or 6 and two thirds to be even more accurate.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Hrm, let's see here
If you…
a) Take out the worst seasons
b) Throw in a bunch of years where he was getting stats in garbage time against prevent defenses with the 0-16 Lions.
c) Only focus on one stat
Voila, he’s a great receiver!
Well Turnovers are the most important stat in football. Bobby Carpenter has gotten an interception in 100% of his games against the Cowboys since his release. Therefore Bobby Carpenter is an excellent linebacker! Wow, this game is fun! You can make everyone look great if you selectively pull out stats and massage which years you include!
Fun game.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It is important to focus on the main
ideas and points.
If your saying that TD’s arent the most important stat, then just say that and leave out the window dressing.
My point was that Roy didnt live up to his contract, and that he did have some things he did well, and one of them happened to be in the area that I consider the most important.
Again if you think he was lousy over all, then that is fine, that is your opinion and a lot of others, but just because I bring up that he did well in getting yards per game and getting in the endzone, doesnt make any other point than to say, “I think he did a couple of important things better than people want to give him credit for.”
Thats all. I said he “averaged” 7 TD’s “As a Starter” and you said he didnt. You were right it was only 6 and 2/3’s per year. You win.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
And I was trying to be fair in my numbers,
and do you honestly think your example of Bobby Carpenter is FAIR?
If I was grading Romo’s performance as a QB for his career, should I include in an average his 4 years that he was not a starter, and say that those 4 years where he got almost zip should be considered in his “average” for TD’s per year, or would it only be fair to count his years as a starter?
Be fair now.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
And notice I said
“AVERAGED”
Roy did not in anyway live up to his contract, but having said that, most receivers goal is to average at least 62.5 yards per game because that will get you a 1000 yard season, a true measuring stick.
Well Roy averaged 64.7 yards per game for every year he was a starter.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
maybe underperforming was a little strong....
and as for him being better than Roy it is what is but hardly a good measuring stick of success…..he was good for what he did when he was in the slot….but he hardly was a threat when he was moved to the outside. Given the money he was making and the lack of production for that position and as how he loved to run his mouth and not back it up it was time for him to go. What would he be saying now with Dez Bryant here as the number 2 instead of him? He had the same problem Greg Ellis did that led to his release……too much complaining..not enough playing….telling everyone how he wasn’t appreciated and yet the team did everything they could to let him know they did.
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
outside of that play
yes, Crayton was very clutch
matter of fact like his last year here he was like top 5 in 3rd down conversions
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Crayton traded/cut himself
He acted like a fool and got what he wanted I guess (out of Dallas). I was a big fan of his until he acted like a little girl.
by StillHateTheGiants on Oct 29, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you mean Aligator arms Crayton?
The guy that cost us our best shot at a Superbowl in the last 15 years, that Crayton?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
yeah that was awful
but besides that play he was pretty solid man, I know our offense ran a lot smoother with him as our #2 before Roy took the #2
what is amazing to me is how Crayton sucks in San Diego, its basically the same system with a way better running game
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Crayton is in some ways just like Holley.
He is what he is and has for all practicle purposes, NO upside.
Give me a guy that has done it, or more importantly a guy that looks like he’s got more to give over a “JAG” as Parcells called them.. “Just A Guy”
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
There were two plays in that game
that Crayton blew. One was the Short Arms, and the other was the play he just pulled up and quit running and if he had kept up his route it was a sure score.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Is this garrett's curvin richards moment?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Maybe. Maybe not.
Don’t think so, though I threw Richards name up in another thread’s comment on this Choice/Buehler/Ogletree thing too. Think, as you may be doing, as message-sender, yet any cut’s that. Situations aren’t quite the same and there may be one yet that’ll be closer. Eyes peeled.
Excerpt from JJ’s book fills it in a bit, the similarities and otherwise.
Cry 'Havoc!'
On a related note
Boy did Jerry blow this one. Any possible compensation is preferable to allowing a player to walk.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I just dont understand his thinking here
he didnt trade Choice because of Felix injury right? he wanted Choice for depth right? then he cuts him a few weeks later when Felix is still hurt? thats dumb
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
this just might be JG asserting himself....
in his own way behind closed doors giving Jerry no choice…….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Tashard injured too?
Thought I read he did not practice Friday and went for an MRI. Keeping an injured player for depth doesn’t make sense either.
no choice! i like what you did there.
by Professor1 on Oct 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ty
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
No one can ever understand Jerruh's thinking.
"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo
"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
i agree there chia, doesnt compute ....
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
What has happened since Jerry refused to trade Choice?
A certain Rams game where Murray broke out, Choice fumbled again, and Tanner showed strong.
Combine those 3 things, plus Carter needing a roster spot and you have Choice released.
i just wish that we would have had seen more of Murray and Tanner b4 now .......
i really feel that Tanner would have helped a lot in the short yardage / goal line in pats game .
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
I wish
we would have seen more touches for Choice the last 2 years instead of Felix being handed the Keys to the Car without earning squat.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
We had him because he was the only RB with experience on the roster (-) Felix, TC is a non starter! Get over it!
by Risky Business!! on Oct 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
he was not sure of Murray and Tanner
after last weeks game, he feels better about it i guess, still think Buelher should have gone first
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+1
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Oops, the +1 is for the reason that he kept
Choice around. Dont agree with the Buelher cut at all.
We need to see if what seem certian will indeed play out. The way Buelher was kicking the ball into the endzone on almost every kickoff, one could extrapolate that he should kick ALL of them out of the endzone this year.
We need to see if that is true or not, because if true, Parcells had a chart that showed how much more difficult it is (percentage wise) to go 80 yards than it is 75 yards or less. Those extra 5 yards dont seem to matter, but his percentage chart says they are.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
You sound surprised.
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Well his performance the past two weeks were deplorable.
I think other teams saw the writing on the wall with Choice when Murray was picked, that was a sign that the Cowboys weren’t confident in Choice anymore. I don’t think he could have gotten much of anything for him.
i thought Murray was to replace Barber....
it think they were surprised that Tanner and Miller during camp were giving them the performance they needed to justify getting rid of Choice…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember just because someone says something
doesn’t mean it’s real. who knows really if there was really any offers out there for Choice. my guess he found no takers so out the door he went.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep.
To death, bro!
He's a good fit for New England and Indy
There was a time he would have netted us a 3rd rounder. So sad…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
That was a time when Barber's days were numbered and they needed a back up RB in case Felix got hurt.
The time he had trade value was the same time that he had value to the team.
wow jg has went cut throat around here..
I just wonder why the waited so late to release him..
by lostar2009 on Oct 29, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
my guess is that it took him that long to lobby the GM
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Yeah. And all that lobbying was falling on deaf ears until TC's last two games.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
More like
Garrett doesn’t know what to do with RB’s in the first place
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on dallaspalace
Garrett has had success in the running game he used Murray’s strengths in the running game perfectly against the rams he ran outside sweeps lead draw and delays which is where Murray excels so please stop the Garrett bashing we could always ask for morningwig dear god please stop
by Sado44 on Oct 29, 2011 2:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What's wrong
with expecting your coach getting this running game going? It’s not bashing, it’s the truth. He has to do better. Whether he knows it or not, his job should be on the line.
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by DallasPalace on Oct 29, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Right?
“I’ve got too many of them, it’s confusing me. Somebody has to go, get rid of one of them.”
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helped me win my money league in '08 with that giants performance...
great guy. funny guy. good teammate. good contributor at times. it was a fun ride while it lasted.
too bad he’ll be known for the bad stuff. fumbles. boneheaded plays. bad on special teams. he did a lot more than those mishaps. recently he was struggling but he was a lone bright spots on a few days when i was watching the cowboys. i was mad with everybody but him after that steeler game.
i do hope he catches on and plays well somewhere else. just … as always … not against the cowboys.
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by Tuna Helper on Oct 29, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Philly just signed Choice
The great Blaine Nye said,"It's not if you win or lose, it's who gets the blame"...........Lock n Load
He has to clear waivers first
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Oct 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahhahahahaaa
i calll ..BS heheheeheh
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
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good 1
The great Blaine Nye said,"It's not if you win or lose, it's who gets the blame"...........Lock n Load
just in time to get pick his brain
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by AustonianAggie on Oct 29, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
no!!!!!!!
Well at least he’s with his idol vick
by lostar2009 on Oct 29, 2011 2:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
haha from a guy on twitter:
@CMini11: and just before he had the chance to get another autograph from michael vick
by the way, espn dallas guys saying there were no offers before the deadline, no idea why jerruh lied then
It's just what Jerruh does. And I think he doesn't even think he is lying.
He’s one of those guys who just talks at the speed of light and says anything that runs through his mind. He doesn’t consider it lying, just talking.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
Oh, yeah, and he thinks he's clever and likes to toy with people.
But to him, it is not lying.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
trying to drum up offers
just like players do in FA, “well i have gotten calls from 10 teams…..”
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That's not uncommon in sports...
For GMs to drum up a market for their players, agents do it, teams do it, it’s not really “lying” it’s just all in the game, yo.
ALL IN THE GAME!
It really is lying. I understand why it is done, and you are right that it happens all the time, but it is still lying
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he didn't mention at what level people were interested did he?..and if in fact it was a division rival that asked about his availability Jerry would say no thanks...
I think it way very well have been the Giants that asked about him but if it was a lowball offer from a division rival no way Jerry lets him go. Washington could very well pick him up as their depth is hurting right now and he could fit that scheme of blocking nicely. Will be intresting to see what happens tomorrow….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
I don't remember the quote
but it sounded as if he said he was listening to offers, I dont know if he explicitly said that such offers did exist
thanks for clearing that up...and an inquiry about if you are interested in trading him is different than outright saying that you want to give up something for him....all in the wordage right?
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah it sounded like he got calls about Choice but no offers... there is some interest but at this point he might clear waivers
a team like Miami might pick him up… he could be a #2 somewhere but I don’t think we gave away a starter, might be good for his career that we let him go.
more like listening for offers
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by AustonianAggie on Oct 29, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Good move
he was never going to get significant time here, especially after he’s had so many chances to prove himself. People seem to be mad that they cut him instead of trading him…I’m sure nobody wanted to trade for him when the writing was on the wall that he was gonna get cut. Owners and GM’s lie about interest in players all the time.
Only one head left
On the old three headed monster and it’s just hanging on.
maybe we'll become a Hydra instead of Cerebus....
chop one off two grow in its place….chop choice gain murray/tanner
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
the only reason for a team to pick up choice is
to get a scoop on the poop in the cowboys playbook then after the game he will be discarded to another team wanting said poop…due to the fact the guy can’t play
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
Choice gone... only a matter of time before he was the 4th best RB...
its too bad we couldn’t have waited to see more Tanner in game situations before letting him go. Basically we activated a 1st round pick… best linebacker next to Von Miller and dumped a 4th rounder (122nd overall). Not a bad trade-off but giving up your 4th round pick is never good. We also cut some former 1st (2nd & 7th overall) and 2nd rounders (Gurode) though. Barber was also a 4th rounder.
I think we improved our roster by having Carter active and Felix will be back soon and Tanner is a better “Choice”.
Sweet!
Now there’s no one left to fumble away games. Oh, wait….
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I guess I can get Tanner now for FFB!!
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I just traded for Murray
I gave:Ingram, Jordy Nelson, Boldin
I receive: Murray, Garcon, Heyward Bey
and I just picked up Felix off waivers
and I just traded James Starks for Julio Jones
I am set
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I had Felix in my keeper league
so I picked Murray of the waivers…. but now I had strong dilema…
I can keep only 5 players ….and there much more in my team to keep:
Forte, Charles, Murray, Romo, Newton, Bryant, Nicks, Jimmy Graham
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
that sucks
man I feel sooooo sorry for you……lol
Id keep Newton, Dez, Graham, Nicks, Charles
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I have traded Reggie Wayne for Matt Forte before season
so i would love to keep Forte….so I now I have to keep 2 RB: Forte Charles 2 WR: Bryant Nicks …and then there is Jimmy Graham vs Cam Newton
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
graham
you can always get qbs there will always be a newton popping up
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That's what she said.
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"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett
exactly what i thing
there will be every year another solid QBs…so I m going with Graham, because he is going to be beast as TE
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idk man Newton is pretty damn good
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess it all depends on league size scoring roster etc etc
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"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
standard scoring
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
newton remind me healthy Micheal Vick
he can rush for TD, he can throw TD, and he is not IP yet
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Forte, Newton, Bryant, Graham, Nicks
based off potential and performance….not charles due to his injury….takes about a year to really come back from an injury like that…let him go as he might never be the same back again…after that Romo would be nice but as far as a keeper Newton has more long term promise, and Murray would need to show consistency to be kept….IMO
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Luck Tashard
Never questioned his heart, but sometimes seemed lacking the head to go with it, showing poor situational awareness and ball security. But mostly he just lacks natural skills. Choice was one of the worst backs in the NFL at going down on first contact, unable to break tackles and not gaining any yards after contact. I hope he catches on with another team and has a chance to continue his career, but I’m not at all surprised or sad to see his days wearing the Star finally come to an end.
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Never liked our RB picks in 08
I was hoping for Mendenhall when he was available at the spot we drafted. He had more upside than Felix shrugs
As for Choice – I always thought he was a fluke since I watched a couple of Georgia Tech games and he never flashed any potential for me. I think it is BS that anyone wanted to trade for him since draft picks are a premium right now and he is at best a depth guy. You put a black Michael Jackson with his hair on fire in 08 and he will perform on par or even outperform Choice.
Mendenhall SUCKS
He had one good season with the Steelers, a team that typically has quality offensive lines but other than that one good year his YPC was under four every year.
they are a passing team with a really bad ol
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< 4 YPC
Lets stop acting like Jerry missed out on Adrian Peterson or something, if you want to kill him or passing on Forte or Rice I’m fine, Mendenhall has never been that good. He has negative DYAR this year, last year he had a -2.8 DVOA, and -.8 DVOA in 2009. He’s always been below average, I don’t see why people are killing Jerry for not taking Mendenhall, you’d hate him more than Felix, at least Felix has some upside left.
Its amazing that we picked the wrong RBs in the 08 draft..
Felix and Choice over Chris Johnson, Charles, Mendenhall, Rice and Forte… Way to go Jerrah!!
by dcsince77 on Oct 29, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
CJ's breaking down already and Menenhall blows
Forte and Rice would have been preferred, but name one GM that hasn’t drafted a player when better ones were available? Felix wasn’t my favorite pick either, I always have questions about backs that don’t play fulltime in college, but lets not act like everyone knew how good Rice and Forte would be.
CJ got his money and now he doesn't want to play.....that the kind of guy you want on your team?
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
RUSH HOUR 4 baby!!!
Carter and Lee kicking a$$ in the NFC East!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Oct 29, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like the kicking a$$ in the East part.
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I just hope, for Tony's sake, that Murray and Tanner can pass protect.
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by Yoko Romo on Oct 29, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
that was one reason to keep them out so long....
other than Felix Choice was the only one who had proven he could pass protect….they needed to make sure that Murray and Tanner knew their assignments in a game before devoting the backfield to them. Didn’t want a repeat of the Gronk game….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, no, Choice missed blocking assignments numerous times
Which is one of the reasons he got in the dog house to begin with.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
the point i was trying to make was Choice at least knew the blocking assignments
whether or not he carried them out is another conversation…lol
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Choice could very well be lion by monday
Would be good for him and the lions besides its the Best Choice for everyone…..see what I did there ya see…
by Sado44 on Oct 29, 2011 3:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
"Who are the Beach Boys, Alex?"
"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic
With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.
Tashard Choice is a good guy
I’m sorry to see him go. I understand that he has fallen out of favor with the coaching staff, beginning with the autograph and compounded by putting the ball on the ground.
It did seem to me that he got the calls that were obvious runs but it may be that I don’t know what I’m looking at. I’m surprised we didn’t try to get something for him or at least keep him as a backup while Felix recovers.
Progress stopper? Nah, if the coaches want to elevate a younger guy into a starting role, they just pencil it in on the depth chart. In a second, TC goes from 2nd to 4th. I don’t agree with that argument.
I did hear Brian Broaddus interviewed about the Cowboys and he was asked if Murray unseated Felix as the number 1. This is Broaddus’ paraphrased reply, “No, as good as he (Murray) was, if Felix would have played against that Rams team he would have 300 or more yards. He’s that much more explosive than Murray”
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I totally disagree with that
Felix would have had 300? are we serious?
Felix is explosive yes, but I don’t think Murray is that less explosive and he has way better vision than Felix
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if its the injury thats effected him so badly or not as far as his running....
but if we used him mainly for screens, runs to the outside, let him used his ability and burst in space I think that would be ideal. He has always been good at that…..
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by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 29, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with letting him go.
I disagree with not getting something for him.
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his trade value was at an all time low
people were talking about a 3rd 4th 5th for him, I thought that was delusional, maybe 2 years ago but not this year
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 29, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah totally agree.
When he had value is still when people here liked him. Everyone knew Barber’s time was coming to an end soon and they needed a quality back up, hence everyone wanted Choice. Then over the past several months his value tanked.
Yeah but even a 7th rounder 2 years from now is better than nothing.
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Choice decided his own fate last week
with yet another fumble. Garrett continues to show the strength needed to mold a Championship Team. (he could still work on his playcalling). Murray and Tanner with some crushing lead blocks from ‘Metta will begin to move the team to a dominating running attack. With some big new O-linemen next year, the transformation will be complete. It all continues Sunday night. Ground control, Ryan’s Boys, and 2 TO’s or less. Iggles plucked.
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I dont understand why people think we would have gotten a good draft pick for a guy
that was a 4th round draft pick to begin with and really didnt show much over his career to show himself as something better. I would have been pleasantly surprised if they got a 7th round pick for him.
I can't disagree
with the arguments that we probably couldn’t get anything for him. His productivity of late was known to all.
I wish wishing out loud that our staff had the foresight to move a guy when he still has some value, but on the decline. They see the guy all the time and would be in the best position to know when he’s losing a step etc.
It seems like the Pats are pretty good at this.
I also agree that he was not as productive as they needed, so he was vulnerable. I just assumed that Buehler would be the obvious roster spot since Bailey is doing well and not likely to receive an injury at his position, thus not requiring a backup.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Good luck Tashard
Clearly Garrett did not like him, and that may have weighed on his performance this year. I don’t think he was used all that well by Garrett. But in the scheme of things, running backs are not a big difference maker, so it’s not something I’m going to agonize over.
On the other hand, Kevin Ogletree, who has never done anything for this team, is leading one of the most charmed lives of any Cowboys since Shante Carver.
Who said wishes can't come true
Every time he touched the ball it drove me nuts. I do however wish him luck moving ahead. I used to really like him and still feel he can be a feature back on someones team. He has some skill, he just landed in a bad situation and made matters worse for himself as of late.
I do think we’re a better team without him.
Can’t wait to see the Murray and Tanner show tomorrow. Those guys are both hungry and ready to explode. Good luck tomorrow boys!
I am ready to see what tanner can do for a whole game....
his one drive against the rams was nice….makes ya think he has some good potential even though it was the rams
by centralkscowboysfan on Oct 29, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Jerry Jones does not learn from his mistakes...
he held on to Choice for too long and didn’t trade him when he had the opportunity…so what do we get for him…zero…nada…absolutely nothing.
JJ did the same thing with Marion Barber…who he should have traded away two years ago when he could have gotten something in return.
At least Choice didn’t get to that big contract that JJ loves handing out and then being financially tied to a player.
Once Murray was drafted and Tanner showed his skills, JJ should have been on the phone soliciting offers from teams.
In order to change some things in your life...you gotta change some things in your life.
At least a classy exit
I was never a big choice fan. I felt his mouth was always running ahead of his achievements. The Mike Vick autograph also still bothers me. I never understood how he could do that, when their was a public perception that players did not care about the game enough that year. However, I will have to say that his last tweet showed some real class. Not all of us would react that way after getting fired.
by CowboyTweetTracker.com on Oct 29, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
What is funny is
that if you go to every fan site for all 32 teams, they all are calling for the head of the GM and/or coach unless they win the Superbowl.
Like every GM in the NFL, Jerry makes some mistakes and makes some good decisions.
I saw a list once of all the bad and all the good and the good by far out weighted the bad. I wish I would have written down or copied that list it was eye opening.
Signing Charles Haley, Dieon Sanders, Tony Romo, Miles Austing, getting D-Ware in the draft, Sean Lee, the list goes on and on, and if JJ would have signed Nnamdi, we would have the JJ haters saying he didnt learn his lesson and over-paid for another bust.
But since JJ didnt sign Nnamdi, we have both sides saying he failed because he refused to over pay, and those that say nothing for the great job of not over paying for him.
Do you think the Eagle fans think paying so much for Nnamdi was a great thing? Nope the Eagles GM is getting hung for that one as well as for NOT firing Andy Reid.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
1 playoff win in 14 years should be ALL that needs to be said about JJ as a GM
As far as TC is concerned I liked him, but it seems that since the fumble at the end of the first half of the 2010 season opener at Washington he has been in JG’s doghouse. He deserves to go somewhere and get a chance to play
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to waive Choice when Jones got back? If Murray (who was injured more then once in college) or Tanner go down who will be the back up? Maybe JG will use Austin again as he did at the end of regulation in SF,
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
Why pick just the last 14 years?
JJ was the same GM that hired Jimmy Johnson and got three Superbowls for this team. Those Superbowls dont count?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Tom Landry led the Cowboys to 5 Super Bowls and won two
He found out he was let go by GM JJ when a reporter called him at his home to ask his feelings about being fired as the only coach in Cowboys history.
If JJ the owner was not also JJ the GM how long ago would the owner have fired the GM?
If you were an owner of an NFL team would you hire JJ?
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
But what most fans dont know
is the Bum Bright put in the Contract when he sold the team that a condition of the sale was that JJ had to fire Landry if he bought the team.
I think I remember reading that in Norm Hitzges book.
“If you were an owner of an NFL team would you hire JJ?”
Nope, I would be the GM.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I used to be a TC fan
he had some fumbles and i thought he will overcome them
but then i saw him ask vick for an autograph after a loss to the iggles and he lost me as a fan ON THE SPOT!
im glad he is gone, he gave some good games but they were a long time ago
good luck to him
It's both Choice's fault and Garrett
Garrett in my opinion is the major culprit. I don’t think he understands how to use running backs. He’s a QB, so of course he thinks of throwing it more. He has messed up our backfield since he’s been here, and focused his O-Line on being able to protect the pass and not be mobile and block the run.
Jones & Barber Tandem -
When we put these two together, we found some magic. JJ would set Defense’s up, then Barber would knock them down. JJ had the speed and moves to wear down offenses, then Barber came and smashed them. JJ wasn’t as productive and we got Felix so we ditched JJ… personally I think it was a good decision…. the problem…
Barber & Felix with a dash of Choice Tandem -
Instead of putting Felix up front as the speed man to replace JJ and wear D’s down, they put Barber as the starter. Barber got shut down, and didn’t have the speed to break away, and our running sputtered. We saw moments of greatness in Felix, but he keeps getting hurt. I like Felix, but I’m kind of getting over him since he hasn’t finished a full season yet. Choice showed moments of greatness as well.. and proved more durable than Felix. He should have started, and Barber finished.
Choice got complacent and blew his opportunities and the injury bug bit him at the wrong time. I have no doubt he will be a better back elsewhere when he gets the reps and time he deserves to get. I think it will take a while though, and hope he didn’t catch fumblitis as well.
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- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
