Trade Deadline Approaching
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 1:34 AM CDT
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Time for the mayhem to commence. This time of the season always gets interesting because we start seeing some movement, sometimes big moves, but mostly just smaller time players. Always an interesting conversation though. We will start hearing about all of the hype and everything that is going on next week after all of the games finish from week 5. Teams must make their trades by the end of week 6. So, what I want to do is list all of our starters and backups that might be actually worth something, no matter how unlikely the trade scenario would be and just judge what you might be able to get in return for a player. We all know that New England is probably the best team at doing this and trading players for picks in upcoming drafts and continuously accumulating draft picks. I see no scenario where we trade for someone, only trading players away for picks. I will only list players though that may actually have a value. I don’t want anyone to think that I am proposing that we trade anyone, rather just talking about value of players, hence the listing of any player with trade value. So lets have a look…
Quarterback - IND, JAX, MIA, OAK, SEA
Tony Romo - 1st & 3rd
Stephen McGee - 3rd
Offensive Line - SF, STL, CHI, MIN, SEA, MIA, JAX
Doug Free - 1st
Tyron Smith - 1st & 4th
Kyle Kosier - 4th
Running Back - DET, NE, SEA, TB (#2 role)
Felix Jones - 3rd
Demarco Murray - 4th
Tashard Choice - 3rd
Phillip Tanner - 3rd
Wide Receiver - CLE, JAX, MIN, OAK, STL, TEN,
Miles Austin - 1st & 3rd
Dez Bryant - 1st & 4th
Laurent Robinson - 4th
Kevin Ogletree - 5th
Tight End - CHI, DEN, KC, MIA, OAK, STL,
Jason Witten - 1st, 2nd & 4th
Martellus Bennett - 4th
John Phillips - 5th
Defensive Line (DT) - CAR, DEN, JAX, SEA, STL
Jay Ratliff - 2nd
Marcus Spears - 5th
Linebackers - BUF, CAR, JAX, KC, *PHI, *NYG, SEA, STL,
Demarcus Ware - 2 1st rounders 2 2nd rounders 3rd and some late rounders **Herschel Walker-esque value
Sean Lee - 2nd
Anthony Spencer - 4th
Bradie James - 5th
Victor Butler - 4th
Bruce Carter - 3rd
Cornerbacks - CAR, DET, IND, JAX, PIT
Terence Newman - 5th
Mike Jenkins - 4th (young)
Orlando Scandrick - 3rd
Safeties - CAR, MIA, MIN, NE, TB
Gerald Sensabaugh - 3rd
Abe Elam - 5th
Barry Church - 5th
I realize that these are extremely variable and some really good players have been dealt for REAL CHEAP recently, like santonio holmes for a 5th rounder. He did have character issues though, as most of those cheap deal players do. We have solid, good character guys here. I realize that some of these may still be a little high, but based on youth as well as what they have been able to show when given an opportunity, I think it is fairly accurate value. Now I didn't start this to get people to say "We should trade this guy away", although I know it will happen. I know someone will probably mention Tashard Choice or one of the various running backs, and based on recent events, other big name players may be discussed as well. I realize I can't prevent this, but it is a subject for conversation with the trade deadline approaching.
I do not see the cowboys going out and trading for any players. Dumping players, maybe, but adding someone else and giving up draft picks, not happening. Garrett knows he still needs to get younger and continue to build this team, so accumulating more picks is the only option.
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I admit, I probably shouldn't even have put Newman on here
That is his value, but he wouldn’t be worth trading for a 5th rounder. Many teams out there would be lucky to have a corner like him because they plain just don’t have ANY, must less one with multiple pro bowl credentials. You need to look at REAL value. This team is very close to being either 4-0 or 0-4. If this team was 4-0 I bet you would be singing a different tune about the value of these players, however I would have them rated the same.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
tnew had a very high completion rate aganist him..
He has always been like that. If they could get a 5th I would be happy bc we got rid of his contract..
Do the math guys we just sign scandrick plus u guys kno Jenkins is going no where .. to be honest we played most of the season right now without him ..lately he has been a non factor.
How many TE's have been better year in and year out than Witten
Antonio Gates? Ok, yes. Others… none. Gonzalez is probably retiring after this year so no there, Vernon Davis doesn’t do it consistently. Witten and Gates make ANY QB better.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
what about gronk brother?
That was the same draft bengals wanted Bennett and ended up taking a TE..
That was a deep TE draft..
Unfortunately, Gates' days may be dicey here on out
Foot’s becoming a significant hindrance. He may not get to Gonzo’s number’s as I’d figured, barring a turnaround in playing time.
Durability has some value, esp when it’s combined with blocking, numbers and being the go-to guy. Bar none.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Values re -adjusted
With all due respect I think these values are more accurate.
Quarterback – IND, JAX, MIA, OAK, SEA
Tony Romo – a second if you are lucky more likely a 3rd
Stephen McGee – 6th
Offensive Line – SF, STL, CHI, MIN, SEA, MIA, JAX
Doug Free – 1st before now he has a bad back) so only a 3rd, or 4th
Tyron Smith – 1st & 4th
Kyle Kosier – 7th
Running Back – DET, NE, SEA, TB (#2 role)
Felix Jones – 5th
Demarco Murray – 4th
Tashard Choice – 7th
Phillip Tanner – 7th
Wide Receiver – CLE, JAX, MIN, OAK, STL, TEN,
Miles Austin – 2nd
Dez Bryant – 1st & 4th
Laurent Robinson – 7th
Kevin Ogletree – nothing
Tight End – CHI, DEN, KC, MIA, OAK, STL,
Jason Witten – 3rd
Martellus Bennett – 7th
John Phillips – 7th
Defensive Line (DT) – CAR, DEN, JAX, SEA, STL
Jay Ratliff – 4th (He is beat up)
Marcus Spears – 6th
Linebackers – BUF, CAR, JAX, KC, *PHI, *NYG, SEA, STL,
Demarcus Ware – 2 1st rounders
Sean Lee – 2nd
Anthony Spencer – 4th
Bradie James – 7th
Victor Butler – 5th
Bruce Carter – 3rd
Cornerbacks – CAR, DET, IND, JAX, PIT
Terence Newman – Nothing
Mike Jenkins – 4th if you are lucky (young) , more like a 5th
Orlando Scandrick – 7th
Safeties – CAR, MIA, MIN, NE, TB
Gerald Sensabaugh – 6th
Abe Elam – 5th
Barry Church – 7th
Undervalued
You need to not read into the other players being dealt for cheap. Those are players teams are doing ANYTHING to get rid of. None of these guys in my mind are way overvalued on my list, but extremely undervalued here. I find it strange that you think virtually no one on this team is worth a first rounder. And D-ware? You would let him go for 2 first rounders? umm no… worth way way way more than that. Best player at his position in the NFL.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You will not get fair value for DeMarcus Ware. No one will do a Herschel Walker trade again. He is also nearly 30.
DeMarcus Ware maybe the best defensive player in the game but that doesn’t mean someone is going to bet the team to get him.
Tyron Smith and Dez Bryant are worth first round picks.
A player is worth what another team will pay. Right now teams are very protective of their first round selections.
Free was a very good player last year but if he is not healthy then no one is going to give up a first round pick for him.
I gave the value that other teams would pay for these players.
Romo might be “worth a first rounder” but no one in the NFL would give one up for him.
That is just the situation that the Cowboys are in.
The Vikings couldn’t even get a first round pick for Daunte Culpeper when he was younger than Romo is now.
by Jonathan Stern on Oct 7, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Tell that to Denver
It wasn’t as big as Herschel Walker, and there never will be again I agree, but two first rounders and some seconds and later picks? Yeah, people will still do that trade. and Jay Cutler is not as good of a player as D-Ware, QB or not.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago screwed up
Chicago vastly overvalued Cutler. They thought he was like Aaron Rodgers.
They traded two number ones and Orton for Cutler.
The Bears thought Orton to be nothing more than a journeyman QB.
by Jonathan Stern on Oct 7, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
and the Vikings grossly overvalued Herschel Walker. Point is, those trades still happen.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think it will again
with the rookie wage scale in place the first round picks have become even more valuable…..but JMHO…
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Tell that to Atlanta
Who gave away the foreseeable future for Julio Jones. It still happens.
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Only Jerry makes those kinds of trades. ......
SMH
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 7, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember Romo is a QB
so his Value goes up. Don’t undervalue him just because he hasn’t won us playoff games. He is still a top 10 QB (don’t let last weeks loss deter you from that). Only 4 QBs in the league don’t really need any type of running game and can put a team on their shoulders (Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees) and do nothing but pass the ball. Every other QB needs a running game to succeed. HE IS STILL WORTH A FIRST ROUNDER!! And that is coming from many brain trusts at NFL Network as well as other networks as well. Especially teams like the ones listed who have no QB.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
plz a 2nd for miles?
Once I saw that I didn’t read the rest.. I wud rather look at probowl factory..
+1
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Roy wasn't even on the street for three days
People need receivers, and need GREAT receivers even more. Trust me, many teams out there would give up a first for Miles, even if he was going to be their #2 option.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
What did the Jets pay for their WRs? Holmes for a 5th.
In fact Terrell Owens in his prime was traded for 2nd round pick to the Ravens.
The Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th.
But everyone is free to believe what they want.
I wish the Cowboys could trade their players for the values above.
Then again I wish Natalie Portman was my girl friend.
Somethings don’t turn out they way we want them. Sorry but that is what I think the Cowboys would get if they tried to trade the players above. The Cowboys are a team of JAGs.
The only players of real value on the team are Bryant , Austin , Tyron Smith and DeMarcus Ware and Romo. But you won’t get a first round pick for Romo.
Free is hurt
and Ratliff is worn out.
by Jonathan Stern on Oct 7, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This is an accurate asessment of player value.
Good job Stern.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 7, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
trade value is at an all time low
look at Steve Smith for instance (Carolina), he was on the market and nobody bit, I know if I was a GM of the Cowboys I would have sent Ogletree and a late pick for him in a heartbeat
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 7, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Note:
Romo is worth a first rounder no matter how you look at it. You devalued him because of the last game and that is not what the teams wanting him will do. They are smart enough to see that wasting a first round pick next year on a prayer or trading one for a known value.
Sean Lee is worth a 1st rounder right now also.
Miles and Dez are easily worth a 1st and 3rd or better… when healthy that tandem will be the most dangerous in the NFL and now we’ve added Robinson which in my mind is just going to be deadly… especially with Romo… He’s pitching at 65% guys so he threw what 6 INTS or 7 so far… playing 3 games with broken ribs. Don’t come here and tell me that did not effect his play in the 3rd and 4th quarter especially with the lack of offseason conditioning. I believe that’s where all the INTs came.
In my mind we should shop Choice and Bennett… and cut our Beuller (if that’s how you spell it) Baily gets most of his kicks deep enough in the endzone so no need for a long kicker.
RexP
First ask who should the team even consider trading.
To me it’s Choice, Ogletree and Bennett.
Then ask: What compensation would make it worthwhile to trade the player now?
Choice…any (I like Choice, but he is a progress stopper at this point as he is not coming back next year and the drop-off to Murray/Tanner is pretty small)
Ogletree…any (Robinson is the clear #3 and he will likely lose his roster spot to Radway next year.)
Bennett…3rd (I’m not saying they can get a third for him, but he is a great blocker and an average receiving option. We may be disappointed that he hasn’t turned into Wittenx2, but is still a key cog at this point. Do we really think that replacing him with Rucker is an improvement to the roster. You may think that Phillips is better….that may be so, but JG can make that happen without any roster changes. He has a high value to the Cowboys for this season, thus the compensation would need to reflect that.)
I would expect a conditional 6th for Choice to make room for Carter. Or cutting Ogletree for Carter and trading Choice for depth at another position. Do you suppose Carolina will trade us back Josh Thomas?
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Yep
those would be the three i would expect us to try to move…with one addition, maybe John Phillips as a pass catching TE, we might keep bennett for the blocking and move phillips…..Rucker is still out there i think…..
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I don't think Ogletree is worth the papr to cut him
If anyone wants him they’ll probably wait for him to be cut at some point. Choice might have shown some value last game so I hope we can move someone.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
My thoughts exactly +1
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by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
From those 3 players u would get 2 7th rounders.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 7, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
My take
Hell No:
Doug Free – 1st
Tyron Smith – 1st & 4th
Mike Jenkins – 4th
No:
Sean Lee – 2nd
Anthony Spencer – 4th
Miles Austin – 1st & 3rd
Dez Bryant – 1st & 4th
Felix Jones – 3rd
Demarco Murray – 4th
I wish:
Bradie James – 5th
Jason Witten – 1st, 2nd & 4th
Martellus Bennett – 4th
Demarcus Ware – 2 1st rounders 2 2nd rounders 3rd and some late rounders
Kevin Ogletree – 5th
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Let it be known
These values don’t mean picks THIS YEAR but future picks as well. Such as Witten, a 1st this year, next year’s 2nd and a 4th this year
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
The team is very young now
Therefor still developing. Talking about trading players at this point is kind of silly because we can’t really afford to lose anyone on this team, but I think if you take away the team’s record, these values are very accurate, which is how you have to look at it.
No individual player, not even a QB, should be judged by his team’s record. A player, not even a QB, wins or loses games (even though we put a lot of blame on romo, the rest of the team should have stepped up and stopped the lions, therefore a team meltdown). Teams win and lose game.
by HowBoutThemBoys on Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
choice and bennett should have been outa here..
Bc at sum point we had teams interested and willing to give value for these players.. JJ is so stubborn.
I wish this team would be willing to trade away players and get some value for them
We seem to always be giving away draft picks for players (Williams, Lumpy, etc) so I would like to see us dump someone off that isn’t in our future plans or in the final year of their contract, like New England. However, one thing that New England does that we don’t is they get EVERYONE on their team involved. That is why they get good value for players. They see what they have on the bench and if that player can step up and replace a Randy Moss or someone, they’ll dump the older player and get great value for him and not have any drop off.
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by ProBowlFactory on Oct 7, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL Lumpy!!!!!!
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 7, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I really wish they would give Phillip Tanner some touches by now
Cuz if he was able to do as well as he had in pre-season, then you don’t even need Felix or Tashard anymore. If you want to get young or just accumulate draft picks, you need to give your young guys at least a few opportunities.
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I think you can get better value from teams you've played because they've seen your players up close
Maybe you could land a 3rd from the New York Jets for Victor Butler? They have NO edge rushers. .
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excellent point dude
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 7, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If you could get that for him. A team would have to really believe in him to pay that for him
Then again the Jets could get Brandon Williams for nothing now. The guy at the Jets blog said that the Jets keep ignoring their need for an edge rusher.
If I were the Jets I would give Brandon Williams a try out. For the record I don’t think the Cowboys gave him enough of a chance. He deserved 3 years.
Of course if the Cowboy were to trade Bulter they would need to replace him in next years draft probably with a second or third.
by Jonathan Stern on Oct 7, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Williams sucks
Id rather roll with Aaron Maybin, which they are
if Brandon Williams was sooooo good then why didn’t Wade sign him? after all that was Wade’s boy
I wouldn’t trade Butler, thats just me, Butler has starter potential and is the ultimate RKG, ever listen to an interview with him? the guy is awesome
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 7, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What'd Philly give for Romo, Ware and Lee?
Romo, Witten, Ware? Romo, Austin, Bryant?
How many of these UnHoly trinities can I come up with?
Cry 'Havoc!'
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 7, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Dez a 1st and 4th?
your outta your mind!
Miles a 2nd? whaaaaaaat?
Lee? no Lee?
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In todays NFL players are undervalued and draft picks are overvalued.
In todays NFL players are undervalued and draft picks are overvalued.
Usually if you want to trade your players you have to trade them at a discount. unless someone really wants your guy. I personally think Miles Austin is “worth a one” but the team trading for him has to think that. Unforgettably and unfortunately The only team that pays high prices for wide receivers in trade is the Cowboys.
I made my list according what they Cowboys could get for their players if the Cowboys were trying to trade them.
trade value is at an all time low
look at the trades the past 2-3 years in the NFL, very low picks involved
Jerry got ripped off, bad and I will always look back at that trade as a big part of our depth problems, when you bust on basically an entire draft it kills your depth
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 7, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The most you can get for Ogletree is a bag of footballs and a tackling dummy right now....
by dcsince77 on Oct 7, 2011 9:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You'd have to throw in a 4th rounder if you wanted the tackling dummy
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Was Bruce Carter ............allready hurt
When the cowboy’s drafted him? and why did and would they draft a linebacker that was not going to be able to play??
Maybe this is an option
If we can’t get our act together and make a real run at the playoffs I would like to see us trade some staples on this team to start a true rebuild mode. That is only if the playoffs seem out of reach. Use the offseason to stock up on draft picks and use them on places of need. Please no more inside linebackers. Lol
by dallas_assasin on Oct 8, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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