Cowboys Place Kicker David Buehler On IR
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 10, 2011 12:01 PM CST
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PrintAccording to multiple tweets from the Dallas beat reporters, and subsequently confirmed by Nick Eatman at dallascowboys.com, the Cowboys have placed David Buehler on injured reserve, effectively ending his season. Buehler apparently re-injured his groin on Wednesday.
To fill the roster spot vacated by Buehler, the Cowboys re-signed guard Daniel Loper, who was waived just last week to make room for punter Chris Jones, who in turn was signed because Mat McBriar is laboring with a foot injury.
With Buehler on IR, the Cowboys still have three kickers on the roster, and have a fourth kicker, Kai Forbath, who has just been cleared to resume practicing after spending the first half of the season on the NFI/PUP list. At practice today, incumbent kicker Dan Bailey, Chris Jones and Kai Forbath were all working on kickoffs.
Putting Buehler on IR allows the Cowboys to avoid the mistake they made when they released Nick Folk outright in 2009, only to have him snapped up by the Jets, where he found back to the form he had displayed in Dallas prior to his injury. It also will mean another exciting offseason of multiple kickers competing for a roster spot in Dallas.
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GOOD RIDDANCE
That’s mean, but jeez, this was the only way they were going to get a free roster spot open
Thursday Jan 6, 2011--Doin' things the 'Cowboy Way'
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by DWare94_JRat90 on Nov 10, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Buehler? ...Buehler? ...Buehler?
Wow, I seriously fanshotted this like just a minute before this was posted.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Nov 10, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions
Guess we will be seeing Dwaye Harris very soon
Just makes too much sense.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
that is what they should have done
instead they signed scrub Daniel Loper again
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
well damn
Not real sure I get that. Espeacially with Dockery coming back from his injury.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think its dumb
especially with only 4 WR’s on the roster
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Even if they did bring Harris up
what would he be doing for anyways? I guess they could let him fair catch some punts again.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think Parnell is hurt, he's the back to both OTs.
Doc can play OT in a pinch, don’t know about Loper.
Nobody cares about your effin fantasy team, keep it to yourself...........Lock n Load
I remember reading that now
makes more since now.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
insurance
better to have a 5th WR than a Buehler
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Let's see...both would only play special teams...
Harris is .04 seconds faster in the 40 yd dash. (4.53 vs 4.57)
Buehler is 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier.
Buehler put up 225 pounds 25 times to Harris’ 10.
And Buehler’s vertical was 3.5" higher (37.5 to 34)…
…oh, and Buehler can give our defense a 2 yard advantage in field position after we score.
Who’s more valuable on special teams? Keep in mind, also, that Buehler is on every special teams unit, not just kickoffs.
My most recent fanpost:
The Weekly Chessmatch: Cowboys @ Eagles
Is Buehler on the Punt Coverage team?
Funny…I didn’t realise that…
he has been in years past
but i haven’t seen him out there this year.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Probably the nagging injury
Otherwise he would’ve been there full-time.
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Throwback player.
In the old days kickers were players that also kicked.
Nobody cares about your effin fantasy team, keep it to yourself...........Lock n Load
Exactly.
I can’t stand reading so many people hating on a football player just because he’s a below-average field goal kicker. He’s a physical specimen of Oakland Raiders level. Read his wikipedia page—he put up insane numbers.
My most recent fanpost:
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He's actually average once you account for the distance of his kicks.
Buehler kicked more than his fair share of 40+ and 50+ yard field goals and that disproportionately dragged his average down.
Yea, I get kind of tired of arguing his value.
I like him for crazy long attempts. Beats a hail mary. He’s a serviceable kicker. He’s a good football player in general, though.
My most recent fanpost:
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When your #2 WR is someone you picked up on waivers...
I would say that position is bigger than an additional kicker which most teams don’t carry. Plus doesn’t make any sense with injuries to our punter. Leave it to Jerry to carry 4 kickers.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Do you want a kicker...
That misses most of his kicks under 40 yards?! The defense of having this guy on the roster is mind boggling. And his kickoffs haven’t been that substantially better than Baileys.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
hahahaha
don’t get so bent out of shape, its David Buehler, who cares
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
He's a Cowboy.
So I care.
I guess you like an easy target that people can bandwagon bash?
My most recent fanpost:
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sure bud
do you, defend David Buehler
he can tackle and kick touchbacks
how many teams carry 2 kickers? not many
I see your point, he is valuable on kickoff coverage because he can run and tackle and he can kick kickoffs, but that isn’t more valuable to me than a WR that can do the same damn thing
you are getting way too worked up here
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
How many teams carry players that only play on special teams?
How many others do the Cowboys have? We suit up plenty of players that don’t see any non-special teams snaps. You seem like you want to call him a Field Goal kicker to completely eliminate any other value he has.
My most recent fanpost:
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I am asking, how many teams carry a kickoff kicker?
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
You're picking what you want.
We carry a number of core special teams players with very little offensive or defensive value. One of them is able to kick kickoffs better than our placekicker. And you hold that against him.
My most recent fanpost:
The Weekly Chessmatch: Cowboys @ Eagles
In other words...
“We should totally cut Sam Hurd because he’s a better kicker than Dan Bailey…I mean, I hate him because he kicks. He has no value because he can kick. I don’t care how many special teams tackles he makes, he’s bad at another job that he doesn’t do.”
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how in the world is Sam Hurd in this conversation now
and yes, I would take Sam Hurd over a Buehler
at least he can actually play a position on the team
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
He was a special teams player.
Did many things Buehler does, except instead of being a serviceable kicker, and exceptional kickoff specialist, he was an extremely mediocre receiver.
My most recent fanpost:
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for me it comes down to one kicker
a guy who, well actually makes extra points and field goals
that guy is Dan Bailey and he is damned good, maybe a Pro Bowler this year
I could see if it were important, like if Bailey was surrendering a high field position or people were returning kicks for TD’s and taking advantage of it, but their not
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
The disconnect we're having is that
You don’t value improving an aspect of the game. We have all of the contributors that we need. Why don’t other people carry kickoff specialists? Because there aren’t any kickers with legs as strong as Buehler’s, anywhere.
So why not hold onto possibly the strongest leg in the NFL? We already have a very good placekicker. We have one of the top kickoff specialists in the game. Why do we have to choose between them? Unlike most of the bottom of the roster, Buehler is not easily replaced with equivalent talent.
Cut Jesse Holley. Go ahead. You can find a hundred other, equally capable, receivers in the bottom of and after the annual draft.
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every team has st players only
That’s what comes of most late rnd picks. Guys who play on the PS’ then maybe get carried on the active roster for a few years and may play a few downs in garbage time. But there pa lots of players who were career backup/St players only.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Nov 10, 2011 2:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Had a problem with CotySaxman's line of thinking at first
But actually it started to kind of grow on me. Makes a lot of sense. And just because other teams don’t do it, doesn’t make it a bad idea. The other teams kickers actually don’t help much in kick coverage, they’re just a nuisance we see at the end of the highlight reel return. Buehler actually is quick enough and strong enough to be a factor. However Coty you do seem pretty worked up… lol
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 10, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
It's very frustrating.
Many of you see a kicker who can’t kick. I see a former USC linebacker who can bang touchbacks in his spare time.
We don’t care that he can out-bench Sean Lee, outrun Anthony Spencer, and jump with Dez Bryant. He’s a football player. He is potentially the best in the league at something that he does, in addition to being an ideal special teams body.
My most recent fanpost:
The Weekly Chessmatch: Cowboys @ Eagles
what exactly is Buehler the best in the league at doing?
And you are right, I don’t care that he con out bench Sean Lee, because he is not going to play linebacker, don’t care that he can out run Spencer, because Dallas is never going to put him in on third down to rush the passé, and don’t care that he can out jump Dez, because he will never be used as a WR. That is assuming all of that is true.
I just want the kicker to kick. Everything else is secondary
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lol I feel ya
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Kicking the ball hard.
And if you were picking bodies to play special teams, you would prefer to have someone smaller, slower, weaker, less athletic, who can’t kick? As a core special teams player, how could you argue his athleticism is not important? He is not a place kicker. Guess what position most special teams coverage guys play? None, really. They just run into people. He is better suited as a tackler/coverage player than any generic special teams player and, as a bonus, he can kick off better than anyone else on the roster.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 11:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
Buehler is a better athlete than most of them, and can also kick.
My most recent fanpost:
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Coty thanks for fighting the good fight
I have had this same argument all the up til week 2 or 3 then I gave up. Buehler is a beast and I am glad he got IR’d instead of cut. He will be a great asset to this Cowboy team for years to come.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
well even I wouldn't flat out release him
you IR him, bring him to camp next year and see what he can do
a great asset for years to come? wow, now that is a bold statement Ham
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Chia you keep saying you're done..
and then POOF… you’re not! lol
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 10, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
lol I know
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I know, only way to go
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
yeah cant just cut him man
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
yeah and might i add........
if the opposing team had scored on one of Baily’s kicks it would be more against the kick coverage team than our kicker. i agree i think Bailey is all we need ,besides we have forbaith as well. i seriously doubt David will be around next year anyhow.
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
and is bailey not apart of the kick coverage?
Does bailey not dictate if the kick is even returnable?
So yeah it would be on bailey
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
You say you'd take Sam Hurd over Buehler because he can play another position.
During his time with the Cowboys, Hurd had 630 receiving yards in 65 games played and contributed greatly on special teams.
So far this season Buehler has averaged 2 yards per kick better than Bailey on kickoffs and contributes on kickoff and punt team coverage.
On average there are 10 total kickoffs per game (9.5 last year, 10.4 this year), so that’s 5 per team. Multiplying 5 kickoffs times 2 yards you get 10 yards per game, so Buehler’s kickoffs are worth about 10 yards per game better than Bailey.
Meanwhile, Sam Hurd averaged 630 yards in 65 games, or 9.7 yards per game – just about the same as Buehler’s 10 yards.
Clearly it’s not as open and shut as one thinks.
I don't think he has been better on kickoffs than Bailey this year...
Sure he has the stronger leg, but to me Baileys been just as effective.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Incorrect
Buehler has been 2 yards better on opponents’ starting position (20.4 vs 22.3). He’s also gotten touchbacks on 50% (9 out of 18) of his kickoffs (with a sore groin) vs 25% (6 out of 24) for Bailey: http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4686550/dan-bailey-ready-for-full-time-duty
Two yards may not seem like much. But put it this way, if Dallas had 2 more yards per return, they’d move from tied for #27 (with Philly of all teams) up to #15: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/yardsPerKickReturn
That’s significant. Add in that 50% of the time the opponent has no chance to return it and it’s even more significant.
Of course, there are always returners that will try to return nearly anything. Leon Washington tried running one out from 6 yards deep last week after Buehler kicked off.
Most returners will take a knee that deep in the end zone. Well, except for that fool Ogletree. He tried running one out from 8 yards deep and got stopped at the 12. That was a dumb move on his part.
Rabid and luvin' it
Cut Tree and bring in Harris
He might be a rookie but even if he makes a mistake there would be no difference.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Probably just working on the Line
Its fairly close if we could just figure out the right mix of guys for it we might be able to get a push off the line.
They had Nagy working for a while at center, wonder how well he’d do when healthy again.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
and now that you mention it OCC
im still shocked that they did not put Nick Folk on IR that year.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
that was a huge mistake
it doesn’t matter now because Bailey is a better kicker than Folk will ever be imo, Bailey is a real good kicker and I love him
but yeah, I thought we should have IR’d Folk instead of flat out releasing him
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I will always love Nick Folk
for his 104 yard field goal to beat the Bills.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
not saying I dont love him
I loved Folk too but I LOVE Dan Bailey, if I had a daughter Dan Bailey could date her
I love Dan Bailey
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
This imaginary daughter that you speak of is starting to get around......LOL
I have heard you say this about several players. I just can’t remember who….damn it.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Sean Lee, DeMarco Murray and Dan Bailey
they could all court my imaginary daughter
all very clean cut nice young men
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Did you hear the new nickname that the defensive players have given Sean Lee?
Bam Bam and Q-Tip.
They say his new cast looks like he is either BAM BAM carrying a big club or someone walking around with a huge q tip.
Marcus Spears said it was sad because Sean Lee can’t pick his nose with his left hand anymore. If he does he would break his face.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
lol yeah, I heard he smacked Spencer in the face with it
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a perverted middle aged man. But I'm your imaginary blog friend.
Why can’t I date her?
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Dude
Seriously? I mean really, that was my question.
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by rhodri2112 on Nov 10, 2011 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hahaha
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
What the heck would Jerry have done...
If Folk recovered from injury, then beat out Buehler on FGs? Probably just keep both. But instead Buehler gets no competition in training camp. Great way to run a team.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Bailey is the man
But something tells me Forbath may be equally good.
Buehler has his upsides, long FG’s, deep kickoffs (sometimes), and laying out returners like no other kicker, but is that really worth keeping on the active roster?
I’ll take FG consistency over all that. Especially when our coverage units are pretty solid.
yessir
you know what the difference really is? 1-2 yards bro, I think Bailey is averaging the 22 yard line, I read it on DMN or ESPN yesterday how Buehler was only getting us 2 more yards difference and Bailey’s average opponent starting field position was the 22 yard line
complete waste of space Buehler is
Forbath is pretty good too, I thought he was a great signing
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Touchbacks was the difference. Buehler kicked touchbacks about twice as much as Bailey.
Nobody cares about your effin fantasy team, keep it to yourself...........Lock n Load
20 yard line, 22 yard line, not a big difference
to carry a guy when you could use that spot on something of significance for a difference of 2 yards is pretty pointless
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Teams want Touchbacks, no chance of a big return and it saves wear and tear on the players.
Nobody cares about your effin fantasy team, keep it to yourself...........Lock n Load
Something of significance?
7 of 53 don’t make the game day roster. Many on the game day roster only play special teams… And, guess what? Buehler is faster, stronger, and more experienced on special teams than most on our roster. He doesn’t just kick.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow, a tackling kicker
and sometimes I think its not all that because your kicker is your last line of defense on kickoffs, Buehler runs down the field, if he isn’t in on the tackle or misses, and that guy gets behind them he is gone
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
How about
Wow, a special teams guy that can also kick touchbacks. He covers punts and blocks for kick returns too
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chia instead of focusing on the fact that he is a kicker
Think of him as Bill Bates…that KIckoffs
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 10, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa.
Bates was a special teams ace, not just an experienced special teamer, and also an important situational player for the defense. I understand the point about Buehler contributing a little bit more than just kicking off, but comparing him to Bates is a bit much.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 10, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather compare him to Sam Hurd...
but bigger, faster, and stronger. Oh, and with experience as a linebacker at USC.
Kicking is a luxury.
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Your comparison to Sam Hurd is illogical.
For the sake of arguing this, let’s say I concede that going into the next game both were just going to play special teams. If that is where the calculation of value were to end, than perhaps I could see your point. However, Hurds value doesn’t end there. What if, upon the game starting, Miles Austin pulls a hammy and Hurd has to get snaps? What if we, god forbid, lose two receivers in one game? As you can see, Sam Hurd can quickly become important to our offensive success. Does Buehler offer any substitute value? I suppose you could say he does if something were to happen to Bailey, but any reasonable person would realize that the likelihoods of a WR getting hurt versus a kicker getting hurt are not really the same at all. Now summing this argument up, Buehler and Hurd would be comparable if injuries couldn’t up. However, since that’s not the case, Hurd has more value as a guy who could be called upon on short notice to catch passes for us. Now, could Sam Hurd probably be replaced by other WRs of similar talent? The answer is likely yes (although not on too short of notice considering the knowledge necessary to play in our offense). Still though, that isn’t the question you are asking. Hurd, in my estimation, primarily due to the fact that he may have to catch passes and run routes on any given day, has more value than Buehler, a guy who can add 2 yards with his leg and makes less tackles on ST.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Nov 10, 2011 4:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'll bite.
Where would you rank Hurd as a receiving option if he were on the roster, right now? Behind Austin, Dez, Robinson, Witten, Felix, Murray, Ogletree, Holley, Bennett, and Philips? I suppose if the locker room is hit with a plague or the team bus crashes, he would be awfully valuable.
As for kickers not getting injured, have you looked at our roster? Three injured kickers, of all varieties. Punter, place kicker, kick off specialist, with injuries to a foot, a quad, and a groin…
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by CotySaxman on Nov 11, 2011 12:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well since we are using Hurd as the example
I think it’s fair game to point out that he actually did make big plays for the Cowboys in the past (Giants in 2007 I think, Broncos in 2009). Plus, while he would rank lower in the pecking order in terms of receiving threats, he could possibly be on the field with as few as on injury and on the field extensively with only two injuries. Needless to say, that can have a huge impact if called upon.
Also, while I concede we have an injured KO specialist and an injured punter, one is a freak thing (McBriar) and the other is in all likelihood the result of that “beast” (as you advertise him) doing so much in addition to just kicking. Neither injury would make me reconsider my position on whether a WR or a K is more likely to get injured.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Nov 11, 2011 2:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Coty, a point you are missing is that
even though bottom of the roster WRs are easy to find and replace, the team still need to use a roster spot on the replacement and on Buehler.
You can’t just say “a Hurd type is easier to replace than a Buehler type” because you are not talking about 1 roster spot, you are talking about 2 roster spots.
And if your rebuttal is to just cut one of the bottom of the roster guys, I disagree. Because an emergency WR or LB is more important to the team than a second kicker who gives you an average of 2 more yards and can tackle.
And the thing is, I like Buehler. It is just not practical to keep him.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
I under stand that
But honestly Bill Bates was a Back up LB/Safety….true early in his career he did play on the Defense(recorded 9 sacks in his first two years). I am talking about the Later Bill Bates, that while great on SP teams, was a liability anywhere else.
Yet He stayed on the Roster for YEARS….and NO ONE complained…yet People seem to think that Buehler is taking up the spot from a HOFer….when they are basically the same player, Great SP team players, who can contribute in other ways
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 10, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think the point is...
Buehler is taking up a spot that is needed more, like WR, LB, CB (all due to injuries). Plus we are carrying an additional punter.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
he isn't Bill Bates
Buehler is a joke and a waste of a roster spot
I cannot believe we are actually having this discussion but hey I am game to talk anything Cowboys usually
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
He could totally be replaced by
(insert name of obscure player who you’ve publicly lobbied for yet would never impact a game).
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and David Buehler impacts games? hahahahaha
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Because changing opponents' starting field position isn't impacting the game.
Drinking water on the sideline is way more tangible than having your name on the play-by-play. Are you joking?
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well here is a fact
Dan Bailey’s starting field position, 22 yards
so, for 2 yards you want to carry a guy with his only ability being he can kickoff into the endzone and make the occasional tackle?
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
You said he didn't impact games.
Now you’re saying he doesn’t impact them much.
You want to cut him, instead of someone who doesn’t impact games AT ALL.
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he doesn't impact games
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I really don't get this.
On the field doing something is impacting the game. Someone who does not ever leave the bench is not impacting the game.
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lol I'm done
you win, can we talk about something that matters?
you know Buehler is on the IR now?
how about a friendly wager, I say Buehler will not be on this team next year
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
When is his contract up?
I know he’s done for the season. But I also think he’s way more useful than Daniel Loper on the 46-man active roster.
We’re debating the value of someone who is likely the best in the NFL at a particular thing.
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I believe 2013
depends of the rookie contract, most end in 2013 or 2014 I believe but I could be wrong
basically I think Buehler is done in Dallas, we have a great kicker already and next training camp you are going to have guys battling for spots like every year and Buehler was a fringe player already
imagine next year when you got guys like Raymond Radway, players that are UDFA or low round picks that show off in camp, Buehler would be one of the people to go
Daniel Loper is basically worthless, I give you that for sure
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he needs to compete for his job.
He isn’t a desirable field goal kicker except for extremely long attempts.
When did anyone in the front office ever say that Buehler was at risk of losing his roster spot? Field goal duties, definitely, but not his roster spot.
Why? Because we don’t have 220 pound players that run 4.5s, jump 37" up, bench 25 reps, etc. to fill all of our special teams coverage spots.
The assurance that he stays is the fact that he can boom kickoffs like no other. No one else that could take his spot would be the best on the team at anything.
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Chia
The problem I have with the 22 yard line versus the 20 yard line argument is that it doesn’t factor in risk. Buehler’s abilities eliminate risk. Kickoffs aren’t commonly run back for touchdowns. Touchbacks are NEVER run back for Touchdowns.
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 10, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Please stop
Buehler isn’t a machine he’s a man. Men make mistakes. Any player out there at any time can make a mistake. In fact we’ve seen him shank a few kicks. If you want to give Buehler another shot then great but please don’t speak like he’s a lock when we’ve seen otherwise.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
But the problem with your argument is that Buehler doesn't get touchbacks 100% of the time.
If he did, I would be with you. But when the coach has you kick high short ones that get returned, your argument gets blown out of the water.
Even the coach doesn’t care about “booming” touchbacks.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Go read Jerrys comments today about Buehlers work ethic
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Ok let me ask this question then
We know even hurt players like Miles, Dez, Lee, Ware, Romo, etc will come back healthy and we know they’ll impact a game at some point.
Now when has Buehler impacted a game this year? I know he’s been hurt and I feel for the guy and wish him well. But even when he hasn’t been he hasn’t done much for the team. He just recorded his first tackle on ST’s.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
He kicked 9 touchbacks in a couple games while somewhat injured.
1 tackle, 9 touchbacks and improved field position certainly outweigh 60 minutes sitting on the bench, never stepping on the field.
You do realize I mean impacting a game in a way other than “IMPACT PLAYERS!!!” You impact the game by playing it. I don’t see how he negatively impacted the team this year.
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Well you have a point
The way RR has been rotating the defense players are getting a chance to make plays though. Even Tanner has a TD and normally he wouldn’t get that chance for a while.
The mentality right now is use the roster spot to find potential and so they keep churning (which I like). Buehler has been here long enough and we’ve already seen that he’s lost a step since the end of his first year.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
"Lost a step"? How?
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 10, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing
He means the decreased touchback rate while injured. Maybe he didn’t lose a step, but a toe? I think he’ll be better than ever, if he returns next season. Maybe RR can moulds him into a situational Vick killer. I’d take Buehler in a cage match.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 2:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh the shanking
And kicking it out of bounds last year are various points between the 20-40 yard lines. The fact that players have been able to return balls on him and the rest of ST’s (which really isn’t only his fault of course). The fact that last year either close or far he would in fact have an equal shot in missing not just the close ones because he was hitting the far ones.
The guys not perfect and nobody is (except for Ware) but please don’t build him up to the levels of perfection you guys are claiming. Again he’s not a robot, we know its not set in stone that he kicks a ball correctly all the time. Neither do the others but we aren’t jumping all around to try and keep one guy saying people can’t return the ball if its kicked out of the endzone (which he doesn’t do).
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I prefer his deep punt style kicks.
With the option of a touchback, on demand. I honestly believe his goal is to encourage/force a return, and supply ample hang time for the coverage unit to prevent returns
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 4:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But its an assumption
Its not on demand and we know that. If thats what your belief is based on then it doesn’t help the team as a whole. If you assume he goes out there to kick deep and accidently only kicks 20 yards then how does that figure in? If guys are there to block him is he going to be able to stop the guy carrying the ball? Thats not a guarantee.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Okay, in very simple terms.
He is the best option to kick from the tee.
He is in the top 11 for every special teams unit other than field goals. By this, I mean he is a “starter” on the kick return, punt return, punt teams, as well as the kickoff specialist.
Therefore, cutting him will negatively impact 4 different facets of special teams play.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 11, 2011 12:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying we should keep Buehler,
but I think looking at just the mean field position is potentially misleading. The average starting position gives no indication of the variation. In others words, Bailey may occasionally pin people back, but people can also run it, getting good field position.
For example, let’s say one kick off results in the other team starting at the 5 and another results with the other team starting at the 39. That averages to starting at the 22. Yet, in that scenario, I wouldn’t be thrilled because that starting at the 39 is really bad. I’d prefer consistently on/around the 20, and averages don’t tell you if that’s the case.
Again, not trying to make a comment on keeping Buehler one way or another, just trying to say that the average starting field position doesn’t tell the whole story and may not be the best basis for a comparison.
I think when someone is the best on the team at something.
You keep him.
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I really don't want to argue about David Buehler
he is on the IR, and most likely won’t be on this team again
you win the battle, you can have this one bro
I really think talking about Buehler is a waste of time, especially since he is done for the season
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
The difference is...
Buehler isn’t going to play at LB.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
and on top of that...
Bill Bates was the reason they select special teams to probowl, i really liked Bill Bates he was a head hunter , tough as nails, fearless and always came to play. here’s to you mr Bates )
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
yeah Bill Bates was seriously good
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm with you
I was very high on Buehler for the reasons above, but I just can’t take the heart palpitations on a 25-yarder. No way.
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Nov 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I will take consistency and accuracy over strong leg kickers
with Bailey I know he is going to nail it and can hit up to 49 yards
with Buehler I never know if he is going to make it, I found myself praying for 20-30 yard field goals, that isn’t kosher
the best kick I have ever seen him make was at the Texans and at the Colts, thats it
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
where is game balls?
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 10, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
still working on it
haven’t had a lot of time to write
what do you care? you hate it anyway
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
He enjoys ripping you, I think.
I prefer to debate.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol idk I think we are cool actually but sometimes he does like getting a good shot in on me
that’s cool though
also I like how you had a nice debate with me instead of just ripping into me
I appreciate that friend
I still don’t agree but you at least had a valid argument with some points to back it up
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, I don't want it to seem like
I have it out for you. You have opinions, and so do I. You have so many opinions that, when I’m looking to discuss something, there’s a high probability I’ll reply to you. I don’t think we gain much from pats on the back, so I only give those in emergencies.
Stay classy, killer.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 4:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Uh...the last line was complimentary.
Not sarcastic. Killer is an endearment, in my old line of work :)
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 4:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
its cool, I knew it was meant in a good way
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
lol, no offense taken at all
I know dude
we cool, I enjoyed are back and forth today, I just wish it wasnt about a kicker lol
your right, I talk a lot on here so no matter what I am gonna get a coversation
I cant help myself, I just like talking
you too killer
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahaaaa
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
Let's see about this Forbath kid
Apparently, he has the total package — consistently great on kickoffs and FGs.
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Nov 10, 2011 12:18 PM CST reply actions
Plus, if he works out, we can break out the Cobra Kai.
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Nov 10, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
One of the funniest comments ever..............Rec'd
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
In four games each as KOS
Buehler has 9 touchbacks and Bailey has 6. My question though is who has the better average starting field position from their kickoffs. Because your objective isn’t necessarily to boom it as deep as you can and let them start at the 20, but to get them inside the 20. Kick that thing just inside the endzone but get some hang time along with some directional kicking and we have seen teams starting drives at their 12. That’s what is more important to me anyway.
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by ProBowlFactory on Nov 10, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions
True
But kicking it through the endzone guarantees a 20 yard line start.2 or 3 yards in the endzone always gives the opportunity to break one long the other way.Valid point though
by Oshawa Cowboy on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder
if they are keeping him around because they think he has some value as a really long field goal kicker. Although Bailey seems to be a heck of a kicker, I don’t know what his range is. I still don’t think it’s enough to keep Buehler around. Even if Bailey doesn’t kick as many touchbacks, the team has been fairly good on coverage.
I think they may train him as a new punter.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
If he can punt to replace McBriar, whos career could be in jeopardy, and he still is the KOS
that could be an excellent way for him stay around. He does have one hell of kicking leg
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Question would be control
Briar can control himself fairly well of course he has a decade worth of experience in the NFL. If Buehler could get use to it kicking at full blast means he could possibly reach higher then just the jumbotron.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I would actually find that to be a rather interesting thing to see. That would be some
damn good hang time for the coverage team
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
It forces Jerry to keep the dome open on punts
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
This will sound silly but I think they have to be a bit careful with Bailey. His “stroke” is grooved right now for kicking field goals. If he has to add the kickoff responsibilities it could affect that timing…kind of like a line drive hitter who messes up his swing going into a home run derby. I didn’t realize that the backup punter has some kickoff skills. That might be a good fit.
Yea. Remember Buehler's kickoffs
declined when he had to kick FGs. I know this is Madden, but…Buehler’s range is 63 yards. With no wind, he can hit from the 46. Awesome weapon.
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the reverse is unfortunate (in Madden)
I can’t even line up for a 50+ yard FG with Bailey, even with 100% power and accuracy, its always short. We know in real life he has hit from 50+ (he hit a 51 a few weeks ago) its a bit annoying…
He got a couple bumps to kpw this year
91 now I think. But accuracy means nothing unless you suck…so buehler is better.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 10, 2011 2:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well they dont update the rosters in online franchises and it sucks
because Bailey is my kicker every time because I wait so long to draft a kicker
anything over 48 yards is short and I mean 100 percent accuracy and 100 percent power on the bar thing
but when I use him in my franchise with the updated rosters I can hit up to 52
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
my madden kicker is 100on dist and acc, still wont try a fg from 56 yards or more.
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
100% power and accuracy on the meter, or for stats?
OH! I just remembered! When you’re kicking, aim all the way down to increase range (press down to lower the arrow) or you’ll never hit deep kicks.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 11, 2011 12:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
eyah
dude I hit the spots perfectly every time, I get 100 percent accuracy, green and then 100 percent power
I time it perfectly and its still short
when I try lowering the bar it just goes like a line drive, maybe I am lowering too low
so give me some advice on field goals when your supposed to lower or make the bar higher if you can please, I always needed help with that
but like I said, I think its because his rating is like a 60 something online franchise, in the regular online ranked games and franchise his rating is a lot higher now
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 11, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
LOL. Up above you didn't want to waste your time talking about a kicker
but now you are talking about a kicker in Madden?
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
All the way down, with Buehler, hits 63 yards
With no wind. All the way is best no matter what, since you can’t block kicks up the middle.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 11, 2011 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder..
If Jerry Jones will personally invite him to watch the remaing games up in jerry’s box. They can have magaritas and high five each other!
And make out.
I think Jerry likes his hair.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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THANK GOD WE GOT LOPER BACK!!!!!
Who the f*#@ is Loper????
Looks like God was forced to intervene for his team since Jerry couldn’t be persuaded to cut DB. This was your warning Jerr. Next time it’s a lightening bolt.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Nov 10, 2011 2:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I have no idea who he is
but im glad he’s back too. I guess. I dont know.
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"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 10, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
some journeyman scrub lineman
he must be better than Leonard Davis
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Big finally signed with someone the other day!
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I know, he must be happy
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
There was probably an argument
Between cutting Ball or Walker and neither side would budge.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
we cant do that
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
lol lol I've missed you Dunk, haven't seen you posting in a while...
and you ALWAYS make me laugh.
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 10, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I think IR is the perfect solution.
Except that it should have been done three or four weeks ago.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Yeah
but you know how it is, a groin injury heals in four or five weeks, as it did for Buehler. But when you re-injure it, it takes much longer of course and necessitates the player being placed on IR immediately (* hinthintwinkwinkcoughcough *)
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 10, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
A buehler you suck get to your corner moment?
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I'm not a doctor
but if we cut Ball, would that count as a groin injury? Just wondering….
Don't believe everything you think.
Are we seriously talkin about a kicker
Oh
by CowboyWay on Nov 10, 2011 3:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Really y'all if we weren't stung by cutting
Folk so early, would we even be having this conversation. Our kicker has made all but one of his kicks this year and his kickoffs are decent.
by hbdc on Nov 10, 2011 3:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Depending on how McBriar finishes the year, I could see drafting
Jeff Locke, UCLA Punter/Kickoff Specialist. Great – and I mean great – punter (of course, with UCLA’s crappy team he gets a lot of opportunities), and consistently puts his kickoffs 5 yards deep while kicking off from the 30.
It seems crazy to draft a punter, but he could gives us two roster spots for the price of one.
Never mind... Locke's only a junior
But definitely a prospect for 2013. All Pac-10 punter last year as a sophomore, second in the nation in net punting average.
Who's the number one guy?
And why should we settle for second best?
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 10, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well if teh Jerruh
Wants a kickoff specialist then its double bonus if he can punt.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
scouting punters must be a really boring jobs for scouts
but idk, Chris Jones looked like hot garbage in the preseason he was kicking great last week
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
With the way things have been with kickers
and the way Bailey looked during preseason I think I will be thankful of the job he’s doing when it counts.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I don't know, but Brian Schmiedebusch from BGSU is great.
He has an 81 and 73 yarder this year.
And that name looks German, so………
http://www.bgsufalcons.com/news/2011/11/11/FB_1111111208.aspx
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
So now it's official, there was absolutely zero reason to cut Josh Thomas
Awesome, Jerry. Awesome job as a GM there buddy.
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 10, 2011 7:18 PM CST reply actions
yeah I am still pissed off about that
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
He wouldn't have played, anyway.
Even with injuries, we couldn’t justify putting McCann on the field, let alone a rookie who couldn’t catch McCann on a bicycle.
My most recent fanpost:
The Weekly Chessmatch: Cowboys @ Eagles
by CotySaxman on Nov 11, 2011 12:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
1. you never know if Baily will get the yips (see folk)
2. You’ll be glad we kept Beuller when he bombs a 60 before halftime.
3. When he is healthy he will have a very high Touchback rate.
He’s a good luxury to have and doesn’t cost you much. Why so much hate.
"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."
because he won't be on the roster next year
book it
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 10, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
*because he's an easy target
My most recent fanpost:
The Weekly Chessmatch: Cowboys @ Eagles
by CotySaxman on Nov 11, 2011 12:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
na Its not like that
I honestly believe he won’t be on the roster next year, I am willing to bet money on it, too bad its not a prop bet or I would drop like 250 on it
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!
by Archie Barberio on Nov 11, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Doubt it after Jerrys comments today.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Because just like you said, he's a luxury.
And he costs a roster spot.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Bailey has proven himself
Even if Bailey did start missing kicksBuehler sure the buck wouldn’t replace him. The guy didn’t get the job done when he had his chance last season. There is no way you keep two field goal kickers on the roster makes no sense. Bailey did just fine on kickoffs. Surprised some of you think this is a big loss have to laugh at that. Now having Miles Austin go down thats a huge loss. That means Ogletree is going to have to step up and i just don’t see it hope i’m wrong. Think Harris would be a nice addition to the roster. Can’t have Dez returning punts now. Can’t afford to have him get a injury also.
Can't believe some people are getting fired up
About David Buehler of all people. Well there goes the season David Buehler is out for the year WTF people lmfao. I don’t know how this team can win without that guy. Oh wait last season they lost more then a few games because of that guy!!!! Thank god for Dan Bailey get buckin Buehler off this team.
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