Dallas Cowboys Snap Counts: Who's Up And Who's Down?
Some of the more interesting storylines in the NFL that don't always get a lot of press are the battles at the bottom of the depth charts. And perhaps rightfully so, because I, for one, am certainly not interested in how a UDFA is doing against a 7th round draft pick on a team like, say, the Seahawks.
But when it comes to the Cowboys, those stories always pique my interest. Down-the-roster stuff like Holley vs. Ogletree or how much playing time future HOFer Sean Lissemore is getting always make for interesting conversation. But how to determine who's up and who's down? The official depth chart put out by the team is hardly a good indicator, and performance stats like receptions, yards or tackles only show a small part of the picture.
Enter snap counts. Pro Football Focus chronicles every single offensive and defensive snap for every single player in the NFL, and those snap counts can be a revealing sign of who's currently in favor with the coaching staff, and who may have fallen out of favor.
After the break, we take a detailed look at the snap counts for the players at the bottom of the Cowboys roster.
Like any stat, snap counts don't mean a lot without context. Any number of factors can influence a players' snap count, from injuries, opponent and scheme all the way through a teams' preference for rotating players in and out.
Having said that, let's dive right into the snap count for the Cowboys and start with the running backs.
Dallas Cowboys Running Backs Snap Count, 2011
| wk1: NYJ | wk2: SF | wk3: WAS | wk4: DET | wk6: NE | wk7: STL | wk8: PHI | Total | |
| Tot. Offensive snaps | 70 | 70 | 69 | 79 | 74 | 65 | 52 | 479 |
| Jones | 52 | 23 | 32 | 46 | 17 | - - | - - | 170 (35%) |
| Choice | 13 | 29 | 24 | 27 | 25 | 8 | - - | 126 (26%) |
| Murray | 5 | 18 | 10 | 6 | 26 | 43 | 39 | 147 (31%) |
| Tanner | - - |
- - |
- - |
- - |
- - |
12 | 12 | 24 (5%) |
| Tot. RB Snaps | 70 | 70 | 66 | 79 | 68 | 63 | 51 | 467 |
The first thing that stands out here to me is that the number of snaps for all running backs, regardless of who is on the field and how the snaps are split, is nearly identical to the number of total offensive snaps. Obviously this doesn't mean that there's a back on the field on every snap, but it makes it more obvious that there is a finite number of snaps available to the RBs, regardless of who is available.
The second interesting thing here is that the Cowboys were planning to make Felix Jones their feature back. He hogged the snaps in week one. In week two, a separated shoulder put him on ice for a while. Jones reclaimed his high snap count number in week four against Detroit, only to be injured again in week six against the Patriots, and that high ankle sprain has kept him out of two games so far, and he'll likely miss the Seahawks game as well.
Behind Jones, the Cowboys gave Choice an extended look for four consecutive games. But when Jones went down against the Patriots, it wasn't Choice but DeMarco Murray who got the extra snaps, already a sign that the Cowboys were not banking on Choice to carry the load. When Choice also injured his shoulder a week later, and Murray and Tanner stepped up ably, the writing was on the wall for Choice.
We already know how the roster battle ended at running back, so the above has a large degree of post-rationalization. But we still have a potential battle going on at wide receiver. So here's a look at those snap counts:
Dallas Cowboys Wide Receivers Snap Counts, 2011
| wk1: NYJ | wk2: SF | wk3: WAS | wk4: DET | wk6: NE | wk7: STL | wk8: PHI | Total | |
| Tot. Offensive snaps | 70 | 70 | 69 | 79 | 74 | 65 | 52 | 479 |
| Ogletree | 29 | 64 | 44 | 28 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 172 (36%) |
| Holley | - - |
26 | 8 | 2 | - - |
- - |
- - |
36 (8%) |
| Robinson | - - |
- - |
20 | 53 | 38 | 21 | 42 | 174 (36%) |
| Harris | - - |
1 | - - |
- - |
- - |
- - |
- - |
1 |
| Tot. WR Snaps | 29 | 91 | 72 | 83 | 41 | 23 | 44 | 383 |
The WR snap count is thrown a little out of whack by the injuries to the starters. Austin missed weeks three and four with a hamstring injury, Bryant was out in week two with a thigh contusion, hence the high snap counts for the backups. The other weeks, where the backups accrued ca. 30-40 snaps look more like the norm.
Kevin Ogletree, who entered the season as the number three on the depth chart, initially stepped in for the injured Bryant in week two, but by week three, the newly re-signed Laurent Robinson was already taking some of Ogletree's snaps. By week four, Robinson was the de facto third receiver on the roster, and Ogletree has since been relegated to mostly special teams duty.
Another victim of Robinson's ascent up the depth chart is Jesse Holley. After successful emergency duty against the 49ers, he's been relegated to his special teams role, and the recent rumors of his imminent release to make room for Bruce Carter could come true the next time the Cowboys need a roster spot. His snap count certainly points that way. Could he be the next to go. and how secure is Ogletree's spot?
Dallas Cowboys Tight End/Fullback Snap Counts, 2011
| wk1: NYJ | wk2: SF | wk3: WAS | wk4: DET | wk6: NE | wk7: STL | wk8: PHI | Total | |
| Tot. Offensive snaps | 70 | 70 | 69 | 79 | 74 | 65 | 52 | 479 |
| Bennett | - - | 31 | 40 | 46 | 38 | 39 | 9 | 203 (42%) |
| Phillips | 52 | 19 | 14 | 38 | 25 | 9 | - - | 157 (33%) |
| Fiammetta | - - |
8 | 27 | - - |
- - |
39 | 7 | 81 (17%) |
| Tot. TE/FB Snaps | 52 | 58 | 81 | 84 | 63 | 87 | 16 | 383 |
Many fans have been looking at John Phillips as a replacement option for Martellus Bennett. The snap count numbers would indicate that the coaches are not looking at it that way, and are using Phillips much more in an H-back or fullback-type role. The snap count numbers indicate that Phillips isn't taking any snaps away from Bennett, but that Tony Fiammetta, when healthy, is taking snaps away from Phillips.
But the truly stunning number here are the numbers against the Eagles. 16 snaps for all three guys? I realize of course that the Cowboys didn't run a lot in the game and that Bennett has issues as a receiver, but who did the Cowboys expect to do all the blocking?
If you enjoyed this look at the snap counts on offense, tune in again tomorrow when we look at the snap counts on defense.
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Robinson is a great "find" this year.
I’ve already forgotten who Ogletree is.
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
Phillips?
Does this mean that Phillips is out of favor or may not have recovered completely from last year? As I for one was expecting to see more out of Phillips this year.
I think its more likely that Phillips's progress was hindered/delayed by his injury last season.
Then with no offseason he was even further behind. I wouldnt be surprised to see him start getting more playing time as the season wears on since Marty B. most likely wont be back next season.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Phillips is an Hback/FB...he can't play extensively at FB
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 12:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, he can't play extensively at TE
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
we saw him do a pretty a good job at both positions before his injury so call what you want.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Ogletree just got booked for a date with the Turk next training camp.
Laurent Robinson just kicked him aside like yesterday’s wardrobe.
I like the fact Robinson has gotten not only high snaps, but also a lot of targets of late. Before this offense can take the next step to go from good to great, they need to develope another receiver to take pressure of Witten, Austin, and Dez. Robinson is that guy. After that, their next evolution is working a RB into the pass game: my guess, when Felix Jones comes back, he’s going to be put back to the role he had in 2008, the change of pace home run threat in the pass and running game (the Darren Sproles and Reggie Bush) on the offense.
If this team must draft another tight end in the 2012 Draft, they should. They need a matchup tight end #2 that can make defenses pay for taking away Witten. The type of tight end I envision this team drafting is a guy who plays like Delanie Walker from San Francisco: he lines up at SE, Slot, FB, TE, and all he does is catch passes. The Boys need a guy like this to open up the offense some more.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Please see Phillips
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Phillips isn't athletic and isn't quick enough to make those kind of plays
He’s a versatile blocking back who can occasionally catch a short check down. He can’t stretch the field.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 12:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Witten isnt exactly fast and he still manages to get things done.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Witten is a very savvy receiver
He’s got quickness, not speed. He’s got strength to shrug off most tacklers. He’s a smart player who knows how to get himself open whether it’s against zone or man coverage. He does a great job of shielding defenders and getting in front of them to get the football.
Phillips hasn’t established he can do any of that. Bennett can do that, he just has hands of stone and brains of a short bus riding school child.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just remember that Phillips is behind in growing as a player after getting hurt last
season and being on IR and then not having an offseason due to the lockout only hindered his growth more. To judge him right now with as little of sample size as we have with him probably isnt the best thing to do right now.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
John Phillips can't get separation, and can't shed tacklers.
He’s got hands but what good are they when he can’t go anywhere because he lacks speed, and when he can be taken down easily.
This is the reason Bennett plays when healthy. He does everything but consistently catch the ball when his number is called.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Phillips was injured and slowed his prrogression. He missed all of last
season. Let him have this year to learn and I have a feeling he’ll be more of what you might be wanting here. Too early to write someone off that missed an entire year of playing time.
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I know, Martellus is really stretching the field out there
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He ran that go route. He just didn't make the play on the ball.
Story of his career. He’s got the talent, he just doesn’t have the brain orthe hands to be relied on. However, I’d still rater see him on the field than John Phillips. If he gets the ball, he’s a lock to be brought down w/o and yards after catch.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I will take something over nothing man
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Marty B does get us something in the passing game... a pick that leads to 6 pts for other team
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Is Robinson on a one year deal?
If so, you have to think he won’t come very cheap if he keeps having the kind of season he is having.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 2, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll still be cheap enough though.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I was thinking about that too
same for Tanner
I really want to lock up both of those guys, the one time Jerry should actually hand out a deal early is to those guys
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
look at the difficulties Hillis is having signing a deal
on a team that struggles to meet the salary floor (I think)
I’m sure as UDFA’s their demands and market will be cheaper than most expect.
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Yup. We're not talking mega bucks deals here.
Just league minium
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
true good point
I would just feel comfortable to signing these guys long term because they are young and cheap
Robinson I am telling you right now if he continues to have a good season a team will bite on him because he has always had the talent, he was always injured and inconsistent
a team will pounce on him I think
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
A team like the Chargers woulf snatch him up if we're not careful.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
they might be real happy to get him back
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Tanner should be a RFA for us next year, if we only signed him for a 1 year deal.
The tree will be a RFA this year also.
if we could use Felix like Sproles man, that would be ideal
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly how we used him in 2008
In the return game
Split wide
Out of the back field
And on Toss plays/and counters
All those plays where designed for him to hit the homerun.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
don't think FJ is as elusive as Sproles, but I'm all for this if Murray continues to impress
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You're it all depends on Murray's progression
While Felix isn’t as elusive as Felix, he’s got the same speed and quickness. He’s an openfield player just like the micro rocket in NOLA.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Meant to say you're right
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
While Felix isn’t as elusive as Felix
Is anyone as elusive as Felix? I mean other than Felix
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Not a good day for me.
I meant he’s not as elusive as Sproles.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
your right
he’s not as elusive because he has stiff hips, but he is a nifty pass catcher out of the backfield and we just need to get him the ball in space
Murray is the real deal dude, use Felix like Sproles
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
Now Felix doesn’t need to be the feature back. He can be a really solid complimentary player where his speed and quickness gets accentuated.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that is exactly what I want
now that I know Murray is the real deal, Felix can finally live in his role designed for him when we initially drafted him
this could be ideal for both parties, a win win
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. It would be win-win
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chia, you told me in pre-season Murray
was the real deal and you weren’t wrong. 8 yds a carry last week. Monster, and getting bigger.
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Yeah, props to Chia on that.
And I am liking how a DeMarco/Felix rotation might work out, with Murray handling the workhorse carries and the Cat being used for passing/stretching the field/draws in pass situation type stuff. Use him right, and I think it can be a killer backfield, and Tanner provides depth. I can remember wanting to see this trio as the running back crew late in preseason, and now we have it.
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I sort of see where you're coming from
But when you say that they need to develop a receiver to take pressure off of Witten, Austin, and Dez, well, I think to myself that that is 3 GUYS that are very good players. Isn’t that enough?! And if it isn’t, why not?
It makes me think that the problem is more with the offensive line or scheme, or Dez. We know that Austin and Witten are fantastic, but Dez hasn’t proved much yet except that he has potential. Maybe the problem isn’t the lack of a 3rd receiver, after all, between having HBs that can catch, the best TE in the league, and a top notch WR, there’s a feeling that we need someone to take pressure off of them?!
Are you serious?!?!?
Before this offense can take the next step to go from good to great, they need to develope another receiver to take pressure of Witten, Austin, and Dez.
We used to talk about a 2nd receiver to keep people honest with TO. At that time, we still had Witten. Roy Williams was never expected to be that WR. He was brought in to replace TO (fail). With the emergence of Austin, the “need a second receiver” talk started to die down. That was until it was accepted (by management) that Roy W wasn’t going to be able to stay on this team.
Who strikes fear into your heart in NE? Welker and…uh, um,… Exactly. Phillie has a legit 2 WR’s and a TE. Do they need a 3rd? Does their RB really need to be that involved in the passing game? Now that we have a 3rd WR (Robinson has been impressive), you’re already talking about a #2 TE for the passing game? Seriously, dude. If we need 2 TE’s, the backup should be able to catch, but the strength of his game should be to block. We have Witten. You can’t have 3 WR’s, 2 TE’s and a RB on the field all at once unless you decide to kick the QB out. But, if you do that, who is going to throw the ball? On any given snap, you can only have 5 guys out for a pass. With our OLine right now, that’s dangerous. That means we need to have another guy in to block. That means we need someone who can block, run or go out for a pass so having him in the game isn’t an immediate tipoff that we’re passing.
I don’t know that Felix is ever going to be able to complete a season without injury. I’m not saying he’s fragile, but he isn’t as sturdy as some of the backs we’ve had. Maybe Murray can handle the load and use Felix as the curve ball (that was a great 1-2 with Barber and Felix).
WR#3 is the guy that is supposed to make defenses pay for taking Witten out of a play.
by Northern Cowboy on Nov 3, 2011 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 on Robinson
it was a huge find & i am sure Norv let Garrett know everything he needed once it was obvious Robinson wasn’t making the Chargers roster.
it makes you think just how dependable Crayton was when a kid like Robinson didn’t take that position.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
This is GREAT!
This really starts to paint a picture of who the team believes in and what direction they are headed as far as personnel is concerned.
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I knew the Cowboys went three wide often, but that's atrocious
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excellent post
I like seeing the breakdown of the snaps and how guys were used
great post
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
According to Bob Sturm, the Cowboys were in S11 Personnel (1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR – In Shotgun) on 38 of 49 plays.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 2, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I do believe that JG ditched the gameplan when it was 21-0.
Save it for the future meeting with the Egals.
Yup. Why show your cards when your chips are minimal.
Save your hand for when you’ve got a fresh start…Christmas day anyone?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If he ditched the gameplan because it wasn't working, fine. But if you ditch a game plan because you're down 21-0 and are fine taking a loss, I think that that is ridiculous.
Besides, teams can come back from being down 27-3, even in the 3rd quarter. I’ve seen it happen before.
Not against that Eagles team on Sunday night you're not.
They weren’t leaving points on the field, they weren’t giving the ball away, and they were picking up nearly every 3rd down.
When you run into a buzzsaw, it’s best not to over play your hand and waste your game plan on a lost cause.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Use the remainder of last Sunday's game to learn about this year's Eagles.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
didn't think of that
very well may’ve been the case
Can we really afford to cut a wr?
Especially with the injury concerns, we dont want only three wr on the field with one of them being KO
by BoyzNick on Nov 2, 2011 12:52 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I would say no
Im glad we have Robinson. We’ve had several injuries, and Dez’s disappearing act is a cause for concern.
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Is Dez ever going to be a force for the Cowboys?
The great Blaine Nye said,"It's not if you win or lose, it's who gets the blame"...........Lock n Load
You need to remember that Dez missed all of TC last year and a good deal of last season
with injuries and had no offseason yet again bc of the lockout. He also missed A LOT of football in college bc of his suspension. He’s a 22 yr old kid that is learning one of if not the toughest positions on an NFL roster. Cut the kid some slack. Irvin and Pearson werent exactly lighting the world on fire their first couple of years or showing HOF potential.
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The Cowboys didn't finally realize what they had in Michael Irvin until
1991/1992. Prior to that point they thought about cutting their losses as early as 1989, his sophmore season.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree, his 1st year he was tearing it up until he got hurt.
They were thinking about using him as trade bait to pick up multi draft choices, but did the smart thing and traded Walker. Jimmy coached Irvin in college, he knew better than anyone Irvin was a force at WR.
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Even Jimmy was skeptical about his ability to come back from his return.
Read the book “Boys Will Be Boys.” They didn’t know what they had in Michael Irvin until Norv Turner replaced Mike Shula at offensove coordinator.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
from his injury I meant.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
When a guy like Robinson recently cut from ST LOUIS has a better grasp of the playbook and has almost as many yds if not as many (havent checked), there is something wrong.
Im worried about both wr: miles hasnt shown since SF, Dez had shown up very sparringly since 1st qtr Jets. Not criticizing them, but worried.
by BoyzNick on Nov 2, 2011 2:06 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
recently cut from San Diego actually
which is basically the same system we use, Norv gave Jason a heads up and we signed him
not shocking that he picked this system up fairly quick because he already knew it
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he might have had an experience advantage
But there is still reason for concern, TC or not he’s been here for 1 1/2 years, thats A LOT of time to study But hey, maybe its the QB, or maybe the line; but we all have to agree that its about time our two fenomenal WR start showing up in this O.
by BoyzNick on Nov 2, 2011 2:17 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
year 3 man, year 3 I am telling you its going to all come together
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
how many targets did he get also?
you gotta throw him the ball, you gotta design plays for your best playmaker
if Dez was on the Giants, he would be Hakeem Nicks
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Playing in the NFL is a lot like college and going into the real world. You can study
and read all you want and ace all of your classes but its not the same as being out in the real world.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Bad example.
Merchant marine academy cadets graduate and are put in charge of the watch on a $100 million container ship with billions of dollars of cargo on their 1st day on the ship.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Merchant marines?
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Yes. After I left the navy, it's what I do now.
And 22 year old kids right out of school get put in charge of billions of dollars worth of ship and cargo (not to mention the safety and lives of the crew) their 1st day on the ship, standing watch by themselves in the middle of the night.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Doesnt meant that they are mature though.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
They are when on the job. And that's my point about Dez.
I don’t give a rat’s a** what Dez does off the field, but he isn’t showing maturity on the job. Or preparing himself for his job.
And I don’t want to hear anything about his age, because there are plenty of other young rookies/2nd year guys who do prepare themselves properly and perform on the job (the games).
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
HAving grown up around the military myself I can tell there are a lot
of soldiers who are not mature even while on duty. Im sure there are some who do and some guys just wont have things click for them right away either. Everyone matures at a different rate.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I don't know how old you are, but you can't count the last 8 years.
The military extremely lowered their recruiting standards due to the situations overseas the last 8 years.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Im just shy of 40
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I didnt take it as a slam
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
yeah the lack of soldiers willing to enlist or enroll at west point post desert storm
forced their hands when 9/11 hit. there are a ton of knucklehead soldiers out there slanging dope, robbing foreigners, proclaiming gang affiliation, and just overall not book-smart at all
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 2, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasnt quite as bad in 70s and 80s as it is now Im sure
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Yup.
I bet Norv regrets giving Jason inside information on Laurent Robinson. The Chargers are struggling with Jackson and Floyd not being able to beat press coverage, and Antonio Gates getting bracket coverage. They no longer have Sproles to make defenses pay underneath and over the middle, that now they’re being exposed for not having a viable option at WR#3.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 2:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I bet he does
Robinson is really growing and developing into the player the Falcons drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round, I forget which round he was taken
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Chargers, anyone else notice that Rivers has cost his team the last 2 games?
In at least 5 of the Chargers 7 games this year he has had 2 INT’s, plus the late fumble last weekend against the Chiefs.
But Rivers is elite
Romo is not.
Isn’t that what we read everywhere?
Romo got grief for mishandling that superslick ball on the game-winning field goal at Seattle (the rule was changed after that game; league now cares for game balls, not home team).
If he had done what Rivers did Monday night, that would have been national news, and he would be hearing about it until he retires.
But, since it’s Rivers…(crickets) (I stole that line; someone else already used crickets today to describe the national reaction).
Cowboys and Longhorns - getting up off the turf to win another day.
Spurs? It's football season!
Took the words out of my mouth.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2011 4:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I also am concerned about Dez. Lots of potential, but haven't seen much.
I haven’t gone back and looked at the stats, but for some reason I feel like Dez was more productive with Kitna last year.
(Please please please, nobody take this as some statement that Kitna should be the QB and Romo shouldn’t. That’s ridiculous and stupid. It’s only a thought about something I think I remember, but don’t know for sure, and if it is true, I wonder what makes it that way).
I can give you some comfort. When Romo was playing Dez wasn't up to speed
because of an injury. He was back to full strength by the time Kitna was starting, at least until he got hurt again. What was also noticeable was the way RW and Miles kind of disappeared once Kitna was in.
year 3
year 3 is the WR breakout year, I will write this down so I don’t change anything, DEZ BRYANT WILL BREAKOUT IN 2013 AND HAVE A MONSTER SEASON
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
why not next week?!
Lets do et DEZ!!
by BoyzNick on Nov 2, 2011 2:18 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
it could happen
he beat up the Rams he could beat up the Seahawks
Dez is my favorite player, I am never getting down on him, he is baby Andre Johnson
he’s just a baby boy still, he’s just a boy
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Eveyone knows Dez has "freak" ability
but he needs to grow up, be more professional, pay more attention to the nuances of his position. The most common thing on this planet is unrealized potential.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
Were you grown up and professional at 22? I know I was still pretty immature at that
age.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Absolutely not.
But Dez needs to be compared to others in his profession, not me. And he shows, IMO, a lack of maturity
and lack of attention to detail when compared to his peers.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
Well he is a human like the rest of us and some people take time to
mature. I know matured later in my 20s while Im sure others matured earlier in their 20s. Comparing Dez to others on an issues like maturity is silly. We all have different backgrounds and experiences.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
It is not silly. Comparing him to his peers is exactly what we should do
when you say he is going to be a beast. Compared to what? His peers.
And +1 to you stubabe.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Stop making excuses! There are plenty of 22 year old rookies that are mature, study the playbook and know their jobs.
Look at our own Smith at only 20. Look at AJ Green in Cincy. You all think Dez WILL be a beast. If he IS a beast, he would be showing it already.
And yes, I was grown up and professional as a 22 year old Ensign in the navy. And there are a ton of ex-military guys on this blog who were too.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
There is no shortage of Dez apologist on here.
The great Blaine Nye said,"It's not if you win or lose, it's who gets the blame"...........Lock n Load
Im not making excuses. Im stating the facts. Hes missed almost an
entire year of football due to the NCAA’s stupidity and then having injuries last preseason and then no offseason this year due to the lockout. then you add in the time missed from last year’s injuruy and this year and this kid has missed a lot of valuable on field learning. You study all you want in the facility but you learn more from practice and actual game experience. Its the same thing going on with Carter right now. Hes studied his ass of in the preseason and so far this season but now he has to put it to use on the field and learn while hes playing.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
What about this year's rookies who didn't have an offseason or Dez's last year,
but are already performing better than Dez? Like AJ Green.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
That happens. Those guys also didnt miss as many games in
college as Dez most likely. Everybody is different in how they get acclimated to the NFL. Hell Chris Carter got axed by the Eagles before he got his shit together in Minnesota and look how is career wound up (im not talking about his horrendous commentaries on ESPN here). Some people take a while to not only grow up but to also mature on the field. Jerry Rice’s first couple of seasons were up and down as well until it clicked for him.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
You are making my point for me. Everybody is different and Dez isn't as good as them.
And didn’t you say
Comparing Dez to others on an issues like maturity is silly.Isn’t that what you just did? And on top of that, you cherry picked 2 HOFs.
Isn’t it more likely that slow starters don’t make the HOF? We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Yes I did and thats my stance. Im just responding to you
bc of what you wrote. Im not comparing him to anyone in my eyes bc i know people mature at different rates.
I didnt cherry pick them. Im old enough to remember when they both broke into the league and use them as examples bc they both had issues early on and went on to have great careers. Im not saying hes going to be a HOFer. They are just both examples of young players having issues early on and then having success.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
BS, Chia. If that is true, why do WRs ever win rookie of the year awards?
Percy Harvin was the last. And look at AJ Green in Cincy this year.
If Dez is supposed to be that great, he would already be turning it on. We just have to face it that he is not all that.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Well lets just write off every 22 yr old player if they dont perform up to your standards then.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I am not saying write him off. I am saying stop calling him a beast in the FUTURE.
He is what he is, and maybe his maturity and inability to learn the playbook is going to trump his freakish physical ability. Let’s just wait and see.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
Ive never called him a beast. It hink thats a stupid phrase to begin with. He's
a kid plain and simple. Most young receivers dont excel in their rookie years or second years. If anybody desperately could have used a full offseason it was Dez and our other rookies. The lockout screwed every team in this regard.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I hate to say it, but at times I worry that Dez and Martellus have some of the same issues.
They do some things very well, but when it comes to concentration and putting the whole package on the field, things don’t work out.
Hopefully, Dez can get it together – the team has a lot invested in him. Tellus is, IMO, now expendable. Unless they want to bulk him up and put him on the O line.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
O-Line, Tom,
I like it.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
It has been brought up before.
The man apparently cannot catch, but he is a great blocker. So give it a shot. Otherwise, he is gone at the end of the season, if not before.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Curiosity - How tall and how heavy is he now?
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
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Listed as 6-6, 270.
Actually a bit tall for the line, but he should be able to handle more weight.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Thanks. And wow. Didn't think he was that heavy already.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
Agree, there's a reason a WR with the raw talent Dez has fell in the draft.
The great Blaine Nye said,"It's not if you win or lose, it's who gets the blame"...........Lock n Load
Reading this article, I really hope
they don’t cut Holley. Ogletree has proven that he can’t be reliable or productive, and when they needed Holley, he showed up and performed. I’d cut the tree first.
OR, they could keep them both and cut Buehler!!
One more idea. See if Buehler can punt and use him the rest of the year while McBriar gets well. They could use Buehler on a fake punt since he has speed and toughness.
I was wondering if Buehler can punt.
If he can, then he would be worth keeping and McBriar could go IR. But if he can’t punt . . .
Jerry, sometimes you just need to let go.
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Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Heard on DC.com
that punter tryouts were happening today.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
Apparently McBriar was punting at practice today.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
No, I didn't mean that in a bad way. I just know you like to fix the hiccups.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
no worries, just a failed attempt at humor. I do appreciate it though when mistakes are pointed out.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 2, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew it was humor, but just wanted to make you sure of my intent.
But wait, what? A German with humor?
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
There is no such thing
No one denies this!
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 2, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Really good stuff, OCC.
And to think you did this all the way from Germany. Amazing.
" Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. "
Samuel Beckett
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
And he does the math in German and then translates it to English.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Thanks OCC
This is very helpful. I cannot believe our backup TEs and FB totaled 16 plays.

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