Ask The Phinsider
by Strange on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 PM CST
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PrintHi Cowboys fans and Happy Thanksgiving.
This is the opportunity to ask questions of Dolphins fans from thephinsider.com about our thoughts on the team and the upcoming game. I personally look forward to these civil and educational conversations between opposing team’s fans.
One caveat. I do not represent all phins fans, nor am I the most knowledgeable fan, but I will try my best. Fortunately, some other Dolphins fans will usually make their way over.
I look forward to your questions, and just to kick things off with a few points.
1) The Miami Cowboys – many phins fans are a bit bitter about your team because they see our FO, made up of former Cowboys, as having excavated your 2nd team players and trash from our HC, to various O-lineman. Not all of us feel that way, but you will recognize some of the names and, in some cases, you may wonder why they are starting.
2) Are the phins for real? – after starting 0-7, we are now on a 3 game win streak. Many fans see this game as our test. Yes, we beat 3 bad/injured teams, but we beat them the way good teams should. Convincingly. But, it may just mean we are the best of the bad teams. If we can manage to protect our QB against guys like Ware and Ratliff, cover guys like Witten and Bryant, that will answer a lot of questions.
3) Our biggest fear – Your OLBs versus a former cowboy named Marc Colombo. He is a revolving door. Also, our LBs vs. Witten. It could be a long day. With Jake Long finally healthy, Ware vs. Long should be fun to watch, but I expect Ware is salivating for both Turkey and for Colombo.
4) Rookie to watch – Charles Clay at FB/TE. With Fasano (former Cowboy) probably staying in to block, Clay will have to step up. He has shown real talent blocking out of the FB position and has made some clutch catches. Also, Mike Pouncey vs. Jay Ratliff. Pouncey has been playing very well at C. This will be a big test for him.
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Ware on Long won't happen much.
Ryan will move him to Columbo’s side. Sorry. haha.
Do you think you’ll win?
Realist.
After 0-7 start I am not assuming any wins
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Cowphins!
Happy with Bush?
Whats your take on the Orton deal? Still want a QB or is Moore the guy?
What coach do you want next year?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
Good Questions
1) Bush has been playing much better recently. I think the best way to answer your question is less about whether we are happy with Bush as whether we are happy with the way he is being used. The answer was no for the first several weeks, and yes more recently. Getting him into space, running outside the tackles etc.
2) There was a lot of debate about it in the offseason. Personally, I am glad we didn’t pay the asking price. We need a QB for the future, not an overpriced journeyman. In hindsight, it looks like we made the right move. I like Moore, but he hasn’t shown he is capable of carrying the team. I would like to draft a young guy and see if we can win when we put the game on his shoulders. If Moore shows us he can do that over the next six games, I say keep him.
3) I am torn. If we can get Cohwer, he would bring some experience and a winning history. That being said, part of me wants to bring in an exciting young coach.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Moore
QB Moore fits into your theme of the Cowfins (funny). He started as an undrafted prospect with the Cowboys at training camp his first year, but was cut in the hopes of being snuck onto the practice squad. Carolina dashed those plans. Good luck….in week 13.
As always, the last 5 minutes of your life are non-refundable.
Strange answered this perfectly
2) When most PhinFans heard that Denver wanted an early draft pick we said absolutely not. Moore has been playing very well and is under contract through next year.
3) I agree with tanstaafl, I would prefer a younger, more unknown coach. Not a big fan of any of the big name guys like Cowher, Gruden, Billick.
Alumni, Ball So Hard U.
Jake Long laughs at bull rushes, swings, and dips.
Ph.D. in Applied Jest Statistics.
I happen to think that Cowher
is a lot like Barry Switzer in that he is what I call a “Walk around Manager” and that those types of Coaches are not where the value is.
Of all the cliches, the one that is the most correct IMHO is….“The game is won in the trenches” and that means the OC and the DC are the two most important hires because they are the ones moving the chess peices on the board called the football field and unless the HC is also either an OC or DC, then you would be wasting your money on a guy like Cowher that is in my opinion….way over-rated.
Go for a HC that will bring something other than walking around putting up signs that say…“Don’t eat the cheese” and would have had a hard time being the HC on a SB winning team if not for a guy named Belichick who was his DC…which again is one of the two most important factors in winning.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
And the reference to
“Don’t eat the cheese” and Belichick was obviously not directed at Cowher, but to another well know “walk around manager”, that in my opinion was/is way over rated.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
actually Coach
Belichick was the DC under Parcells
Dick Lebeau is the DC for the Steelers
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 23, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Yep.
When I said
"the reference to Don’t eat the cheese" and Belichick was obviously not directed at Cowher, but to another well know "walk around manager", that in my opinion was/is way over rated.(Parcells)
I was directing it at Parcells. It was Parcells that went around at Dallas putting up mouse traps and posters saying “dont eat the cheese” and I should have have named him instead of just alluding to him.
"Don’t eat the cheese" and Belichick was obviously not directed at Cowher, but to another well know "walk around manager", that in my opinion was/is way over rated.
ar
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Ahh I see
I misread the post……sorry
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 23, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
No worries,
it’s all good.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
so...
1. I never thought I would see Bush as a feature back like they were saying when they brought him here. But they have finally figured out how to use him and he has been quite a feature back.
2. Orton sucks. I have to say I was one of the ones that wanted him, but I really thought it was in poor taste to cheer for Orton at a preseason practice and felt sorry for Henne. I was on the “suck for Luck” bandwagon, but we ruined that with 3 wins. I can’t believe it but there is a slight possibility that playoffs are not out of the question even after dropping the first 7 games. The defense we thought we would see week one have finally showed up and started to play hard. If we win out and a few other teams give us some help we could wind up in the playoffs. I would love to see that happen, because it has been a really long time for us.
3. Depends. 3 weeks ago I would have said, get rid of Ireland and Sparano, and bring in Rob Chudzinski. If we wind up going 9-7 given the way we have won the last few games, it would be really hard for me to say that either one has to go. Our draft classes are starting to break out. Odrick, Misi, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Mike Pouncey, Daniel Thomas, Charles Clay, Clyde Gates, and Jimmy Wilson are all looking good. I am starting to come around with Ireland too. We will see what happens. But if we go back into a tailspin and wind up winning just enough games to miss out on a franchise QB, we will need to clean house and go after Chudzinski.
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 23, 2011 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
Wade Phillips would be the logical choice here
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 23, 2011 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
I think I am going to be sick...
;)
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
who?
… ask Venus
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
lol always thought marc was a wee bit of a wanker .....
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
LOL..........Thanks for the laugh this morning McLovin
Now you can back to the romo hate.
LOL
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 23, 2011 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
I am kinda more wondering when Fergie is going to become a minority owner
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 23, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
A few things IMO
1 – We are healthy. Some of our better players like Jake Long and Carlos Dansby were clearly hampered by injuries.
2 – Conditioning. Our guys were not prepared post-lockout for this season. Especially younger contributors were sidelined.
3 – Sparano is a slow starter in general, but he wasn’t helped by “Harbaugh-gate” in the offseason. He needed time get the players playing for him 100%
4 – We are actually playing 60 minutes of football. We have lead at some point in most of our games.
5 – Moore is getting in sync with his receivers.
6 – our redzone playcalling has improved. Also, I think Moore is more accurate than Henne on the shorter field in the RZ.
7 – The level of our competition has been lower
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
man i knew Moore was the man..
Do u guys think u might draft a qb with Moore stepping up?
Also watching Gross-man slice up Dallas secondary do you feel confident Moore can? Besides Marshall and Bush what other WR threats do u guys have?
by lostar2009 on Nov 22, 2011 7:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am less high on Moore than you are
Can’t complain, but I would like a guy who can really carry the team. Someone who Ds have to account for specifically in their gameplan. I like him better than Henne though (not everyone here is in agreement).
As to WR threats, they have been quiet this season (part of the problem), but going on past years we have two solid guys in Davone Bess and Brian Hartline.
Bess, at his best, can be one of the top slot guys in the league. He is shifty in the Welker mold and can make some acrobatic catches for someone his small size. A solid open field runner who is quick though not so fast. Smart and runs great routes. He has not been as featured this season and has dropped a few (all of our WRs dropped a few early on). In previous years he has lead the AFC in 3rd down conversions, so he has the talent to be really good.
Hartline is our fastest starter at WR (though not our fastest WR). He isn’t slow, and has deceptive speed, but he isn’t a burner either. He has good body control on catches, but often doesn’t gets great separation. Still, a solid contributor who has had some good games. He is technically listed as our #2, but splits with Bess. He usually has one or two nice clutch plays a game, but he hasn’t figured much at all in our win streak.
The other WR you might see is rookie Clyde Gates. He is scary fast, but really raw and hasn’t really caught anything yet. He also sometimes serves as our KR… much to our chagrin. He isn’t very good at it. I am hoping he figures out how to play WR soon, because he can get behind the D, but hasn’t come up with one deep yet.
A lot of our passes lately have been to our TEs and of course Marshall. Marshall, despite his obvious talents drops the ball way too much. If I weren’t already bald, I would rip my hair out. Fasano has been solid recently in the receiving game with 3 TDs in the last 3 games and some nice big plays, but don’t expect to see him in the receiving game because he will be helping Colombo. Charles Clay has been solid receiving as a FB/TE.
Bush lines up all over the field. He sometimes lines up in the slot but carries the ball. Two of our recent TD runs had him going in motion from the slot.
I think Marshall will demand the ball this week (only had 1 reception last week, and he is in the top 5 in the AFC in receptions). Also, Hartline is due. But, that assumes we can keep Moore upright…. Isn’t colombo the guy who let Romo get injured last seaso?
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
actually
A missed fullback block by the least talented gronkowski brother on a lb blitz was to blame for romo’s injury. We’re sorry about columbo though, really.
by matt575 on Nov 23, 2011 1:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I forgive you... but MAtt Moore might now :)
I had Romo on my fantasy team (actually I have him this season a well). I was pissed off.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
*might not
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
columbo was just bear like a drum his last two years as a cowboy..but what that guy say.^^^^^^
Yea I follow all ex cowboys . Dallas wanted to keep more and actually tried to hide him in the pS.bc we had shot brad Johnson but thought he had more juice left but he didn’t.
He played well in Carolina his first year but fell off his second year when they had Jimmy clusean .. but the whole Carolina team fell off that year. Ask john Fox here..
But yea the guy has talent , I guess stuff had to go right for your team some for it to show. But Thursday I will hate Matt Moore :’(
by lostar2009 on Nov 23, 2011 3:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
meant to say beat like a drum.
by lostar2009 on Nov 23, 2011 3:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
On Columbo, you just got a warrior once his day was done, is all
Kinda a shame. It’s like seeing that wearied beat-up old bear still on display for the clamoring throngs under the big top.
Cry 'Havoc!'
so in about 2 years the phins will be stuck rebuilding and trade bess to New England for a 2nd and 4th?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 24, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
If Matt Moore keeps playing the way he's been playing the last couple of weeks, then there is no doubt we will keep him
However, that doesn’t mean we won’t draft a QB with the first pick. Stephen Ross said it himself, he wants a young QB to be the future of this team.
As for other targets besides Bush and Marshall, I’ve really seen Charles Clay and Anthony Fasano used greatly as counterparts. I’ll be posting a play breakdown tomorrow afternoon on thephinsider showing how these two are used. You should be able to see what I mean after reading that (if you read it of course).
And Matt Moore tearing up the Cowboys is very unpredictable. For the past few weeks, both the Dolphins and the Cowboys have been playing tremendous and have a lot of momentum coming into Thursday…this is Miami’s first real test to prove that they actually want a shot turning the season around, and the Cowboys will definitely not let up either.
This is going to be a very good game, unfortunately were going to have to spend Thanksgiving screaming at the TV most of the time…even though you all must be a accustomed to it by now lol.
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I will seond this
AlejandroN’s play breakdown is always informative a worth a read.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Simply, the difference is everything
I would put it on the Defensive and Offensive line play. These are the core of any team, and the strength of the Dolphins Defense. Them waking up and playing hard has really revitalized the team.
Alumni, Ball So Hard U.
Jake Long laughs at bull rushes, swings, and dips.
Ph.D. in Applied Jest Statistics.
To me it is the
Offensive Line play that is the more important of the two, but as I mentioned above….
Of all the cliches in the NFL, the most revelant is…“The game is won in the trenches.”
I just hope that all of our O-linemen that have been jelling will be healthy this Thursday and in turn, you will see Ware lined up over Columbo a lot because that will be the biggest mis-match.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Colombo may make Spencers big pay day...
Seriously… Ask Ray Edwards. Spencer might have 3 sacks Colombo is so bad
by CowboyWay on Nov 22, 2011 3:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I almost wrote that in the post!
God he sucks as a pass blocker.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
yeah colombo's knees arnt what they used to be, but the man has a lot of heart, plays tough .
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.
I saw him in the post game speech given by Sparano
Standing there, looking just like….
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cathus/3989237378/lightbox/
I laughed out loud, by myself, which my wife thought was strange. Meh.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
we had a funny back and forth comment about that
I don’t remember who said it but the exchange was
“Colombo looks like he is ready to kill someone in that video”
“yeah… Matt Moore”
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
sure. He also isn't half bad in the run game.
he had a monster block on a big reggie bush TD in the second level.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
trust us if spencer gets even any type of QB hurry, let alone a sack.
Colombo needs to be cut
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 24, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
They give Colombo tons of help
TE Fasano is usually on his side. Fasano is a great blocker, but even if he goes out on a route he will chip to give Colombo a hand.
Alumni, Ball So Hard U.
Jake Long laughs at bull rushes, swings, and dips.
Ph.D. in Applied Jest Statistics.
Sadly, that will limit Fasano as a receiver where he has helped us
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
With the lock out
I must admitt i figured some teams would be late bloomers, the Dolphins are going to be tough to play I think.
Even with the 0-7 start,
the Dolphins played competitively. This is a grinding team, so expect a fairly grueling game on Thursday.
Alumni, Ball So Hard U.
Jake Long laughs at bull rushes, swings, and dips.
Ph.D. in Applied Jest Statistics.
Welcome. Now about...
Langford/Soliai/Starks coupled with your LB play vs the run you’ve been doing well, so what’s up with not getting penetration to pressure the QB much or stuff it more in the backfield? Or am I all wet on that? How do Wake/Taylor look to matchup, in your eyes, vs Smith/Free or is their tendancy’s to slip inside?
‘Phins haven’t appeared as inconsistent as another team I could mention over their past few, but this Thanksgiving’s a whole new ball game. Hope to see your A-game and that we bring ours.
How’s Burnett been performing for you guys, other than the numbers BS. What do your eyes tell you?
Thanks for coming over to answer some questions, share in some pregame talk, ribbing, the works (aside from the nonsense that sometimes happens). Hope your stays enjoyable.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Great questions
I hope some other phins fans come here, as I am relatively uninformed on some of the technicalities of line play. I will remind people that this post is here.
Also, I am with you 100% on the “eyes” v “stats” thing. Thank you for asking it that way! I only wish my eyes were good enough to answer your question skillfully.
That being said, we have improved somewhat in the pass rush department. The general lackluster performance early on in the season was true across the board in all aspects of our D, so it is hard to talk about our lack of penetration when even Wake looked mediocre. His game has picked up, but even still, JT has lost a step and Misi is more of a run-stopper. Wake will be lined up mostly against Smith, not slipping inside. I don’t know enough about Smith other than to know he is highly rated. SHould be a nice matchup. How did he do against Kerrigan?
Recently though, our 3/4 DE Jared Odrick our 1st rd pick last season) has been turning it on. He really is a solid player. Strong, tough and with a high motor. The sack he had on Fitz this past week may not look like much, except he had two blockers and didn’t give up on the play.
As to Burnett, early on he didn’t look all that different from Channing Crowder in terms of coverage (i.e., bad). Recently, he has improved a bit, but we haven’t faced good TEs through the win streak. Fred Davis, who is the best we faced, beat him easily on one play but the pass fluttered and (though he should have caught it) he dropped it. If the pass had been more in stride, he would have taken it to the house. That was one play. He has been in better position on other occasions. Still, I will be watching him this Thursday carefully.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Asked and answered more than skillfully
Impressions from the other side, the “feel” of their team’s game, that’s as, even more, indicative of a team than many a stat that gets broiught to the table. Think you get what I mean, it’s that numbers and eyeballs tell the story if they’re accurate and insightful, more than purely one or the other, especially when they just don’t jive with reality but are skewed or cherry-picked/biased perspectives. Biased in the blind homerist sense, not the natural bias we all have for our squads.
Anyways, Smith seemed to hold his own, did ok (especially considering the rook bit, but in this case that kinda works both ways) overall. Kerrigan got a sack late coming into halftime that set up a too-quick punt and killer return, resulting in a quick 2nd ‘Skins TD in about the final 5 minutes of the quarter. Other than that, and with only a few times of some doubling help, he acquitted himself quite well, yet again, despite our inconsistent overall OL play. For the most part, it’s not been on his account. Frankly, he’s been a gem. Sure, the occasional indication of the rookie learning curve, but, overall, stalwart. Hope that all doesn’t come across as homerism, merely a pleased assessment of a pick that’s workinjg out… – beautifully, so far. So much so, it’s not unrealistic to think Wake may have more success vs Free. It’s kind of a gametime thing, try both, see which matchup works, from a D’s OLB’s perspective, if that makes sense to you. So you’re saying the expectation’s that Wake’ll be lining up LOLB? Has that been happening much? Or is Nolan moving him around? Lately or season long so far? On that note, given the ‘Phins increase performance of late, what’s your feeling on what Nolan’s done or not done?
Given what you’re saying about Odrick, has there been much McDaniel/Soliai/Odrick, the last 2 games excepted as I don’t think McDaniel played, correct? And on the “not look like much”, when a guy’s doubled, doesn’t give up and ends up beating tghe doublijng for pressure or the sack, that says plenty. It ain’t about looks, it’s about results and the tenacity to keep at it till you get ‘em. Curious, just where has Odrick’s strength been, in terms of how he’s pulling off penetration?
On Burnett, reason I asked was he seemed to be one of those middling steady roleplay guys that needed and earned reps to improve or hit his groove, but he didn’t really get that here. Kinda of a messed up favoritism siutaion back then and with his departure to the Bolts in a numbers game bit of silliness I think we lost out, Bolts gained. His time there went about the same way and with new DC coming in, numbers game again. Bolts probably rethinking that call now. Anyways, not that the guy’ll be some superstar, but he should prove decent enough if given playing time. Then again, what do I know. But against Witten, well, I can’t say much without bias coming into it, as JW’s, well, something special in my eyes. He makes many look… – wanting.
Anyways, good skilled game, no serious injuries and an enjoyable Thanksgiving to ya, game-wise and family, friemds, whatever yours holds in store for ya.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Thanks, but in my child raising hasiness (I have a 3 year old and a 4 month old) I messed up the Odrick play :)
That was a tackle for a 1 yd gain by fitz. Still not a bad play at all. Also, the double was a chip shot by the RB. I don’t want to overstate it and pretend like he took on two large OLs. Also, Wake had already busted that play up but Fitz ducked under his dive (FYI – Starks was lined up on the left side and Soliai was the NT, with Odrick on the Right; in truth Wake was in a 3 pt stance on the line so Starks and Soliai were really more like DTs)
The next play was the sack. Same positions (Odrick lined up at RE wide in a 3 pt stance, Wake Left same, with Starks and Soliai as DTs – at least that is what it looked like to me). Odrick showed strength and some explosiveness as he basically pushed back their LT, got him turned around and very rapidly disengaged for the clear shot at Fitz.
The week before he got a a sack against grossman. Similar formation but different players. Wake and JT are lined up wide on the line in 4 pt stances with McDaniels and Odrick as basically as DTs. Dansby and Burnett were crowding the line showing blitz. The skins LG hesitated at the snap for a wink of an eye, probably confused as to whether he needed to block Odrick or Dansby (Dansby dropped into coverage), which gave Odrick the time he needed to explode past him. Even the hold couldn’t stop Odrick.
Hopefully, that gives you a sense of him as a player and of the fact that we really do switch our lineman around in different formations. If you look at the snaps they take on a site like PFF, (which doesn’t tell you where they lined up unfortunately) you will see that the lineman all range between 30-50 snaps a game roughly.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Oh, and wake almost always lines up opposite the RT
just seems more comfortable on that side.
A lot of the issues with the D had to do with health, and off season conditioning. I remember your opening game (I wish you had won!), where some of you DBs were out. We had that bug for a while. Also, I think we relied on Channing Crowder’s mind more than people like to admit. He may not have made big plays, but he was known to be a leader and coach on the field. It has taken a while for newer players to fill that void.
Nolan did apparently make some questionable calls. Still, some of them were bad raps. People complain about putting Nolan Caroll on Andre Johnson, but it was actually a mistake by Rashad Jones, the FS, who was supposed to be in support.
Finally, something that has been happening the last few weeks, perhaps fighting the trend in the NFL. Our limitations in coverage are being made up for by smash mouth play. Our safeties Bell, Culver and Jones (and I hope to see Chris Clemons who I like and who is fast and can hit!) have been hammering WRs. Most (though not all) the hits are totally legal.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
btw, on your sig
Yeah, one tough SOB worthy of his foe’s respect, in the mellowing of age as much as back when. As I’m sure each creak of their bones, each tweak of battle-scared body, on all sides attests to. Outstanding quote there, outstanding.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Great observations
I will try to fill in some of the more technical issues of the Fins D.
The run D has been very stout the last 3 games. Even with teams running the ball all over the fins the first 3/4 weeks, their performance the last 3 weeks has them as the 7 best rush defense in the league. A lot of this has to do with NT Paul Soliai and DE Kendall Langford waking up and realizing that we exited the pre-season a while ago. Soliai had one monster year and gets the most attention, but Langford in last 2 years has quietly been one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league.
In the base 3-4 defense the fins will have Dansby/Burnett at MLB, Starks/Soliai/Langford in the front 3, and Wake/Misi at OLB. Wake, as you know, is a pass rush specialist, but Misi is severely lacking in that department. As Strange noted, he is a good run stuffer but not much else. As Wake really doesn’t have much help on the other side, teams are free to focus on him. Wake has actually been very disruptive this year in pressures, hurries, and hits, but is not putting up the sacks. A great deal of the success the last 3 weeks has been the pressure the D-Line is starting to generate, but ultimately they just don’t come up with the sack. What I like is that they are very effective when they blitz 5 or more. They also get decent pressure when they line up in a pass rush package. This package is either a 3 or 4 man front with some combination of Starks, Odrick, McDaniel, Langford, Taylor, and Wake.
Burnett has been playing well, but the real hero of that D is Dansby. He can blitz, fall back into coverage, and stuff the run; overall, he is a very complete LBer. Dansby and Burnett make a very good combo of MLBers. They seem to be getting more comfortable playing next to each other.
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Thanks for the info
The OLB siutations on both sides are comparable, with Ware being Wake and Spencer Misi, though Spencer’s probably got a bit more rush than Misi (despite the BtB-internal sh!tstorm of a debate that all brings on). You may have an edge on the DL, as we’re not generating pressure along the line. Now, nailing down just what Ryan’s (our DC) doing gets a bit tricky at times as its a bit unconventional in terms of not being a static front 7 akin to most D’s. Idea’s to throw confusing looks to the opposing QB, with player shifts, disguised pressure/coverage schemes and the like. On your sacks, or lack thereof, with respect to Wake and overall, personally I’m of the opinion that sacks aren’t the be all and end all. Pressure, the hurried throw, unnerving a QB, all that, plays just as much into the game. More, in the sense it may happen more often. Sure a sack kills the play, but they’re not as frequent as the other and a pick has it’s own… – benefits. Score or not. Incompetions, string ‘em one after another, and you’re punting. There’re many ways to win.
Soliai’s pulled in the pass rush package?
I’ll keep my eye on Dansby, as complete LB’s are as much a interest as TE’s. Same types, other sides of the ball, if you get what I mean. Thanks for the heads up. Inside, with respect to our side, it’s a shame Lee’s got a cast on, but even with that, keep your eye on the guy. And if Carter’s on the field, he’s shown flashes in his few opportunties, but is raw, green. Still, you may see a quick, around-the-ball kinda guy that we think holds some promise.
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yeah...
usually it is Tony McDaniel, but I think from time to time they throw Randy Starks in there. To be honest I have not really noticed who was there that much… Can someone else confirm???
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by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions
Seems to be, although they do switch it up
I mentioned one example earlier.
Keep in mind, I am not very experienced at recognizing formations and such, but on the Odrick sack of Grossman two weeks ago. It was 3rd and 2, Grossman was in the shotgun with a single back. It was 11 personnel with the receivers relatively close in (I am sure there is a technical term I am forgetting that is the opposite of wide).
The phins were in Nickel coverage with four DL. Taylor and Wake were both in 4 pt stances on the line, with McDaniel and Odrick as DTs.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
To make any 3-4 defense
special, you need both outside LB’s to be excellent at rushing the passer. We had Spencer playing extremely well in ’09, (I think it was), to the point that Peter King from Sports Illistrated said he was becoming Ware like, but then in 2010, he kind of fell off the cliff like most of our defense.
I think Ryan had hopes he could get him going again and he seems to be getting closer and closer to doing something but is back to being what he was before ’09, which was being “Almost Spencer.”
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
to the point that Peter King from Sports Illistrated said he was becoming Ware like
what this proves is that King is clueless
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 23, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think he meant is "this FURTHER proves"
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
he was just filing evidence away the in the directory
“Peter King is a Gump: Week 12 2011 season edition”
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 24, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
The story of our defense the past few weeks has not been about Wake or Taylor
Although both of them have shown up at times. I know part of it is that Wake is getting a lot of double teams. What has made the difference is
1. Soliai and Odrick up front. While Langford has been very solid, Soliai and Odrick have been rather dominant.
2. Dansby and to a lesser extent Burnett. I think the improved play of Soliai and Odrick have really freed them up to run around and make plays. Dansby proclaimed a few weeks ago that he was the best ILB in the NFL. He called Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher “old”. He said he was better than Patrick Willis… While I love the bravado, I don’t really believe that. But he has been playing lights out lately. The last few weeks he is definitely playing like a top 5 ILB, and I might even say top 3. If I were to guess what took so long, I would say that Soliai was getting pushed into him the first half of the season and he is finally starting to understand Mike Nolan’s defense.
3. In the secondary, we finally got Vontae Davis back. Add to that the pressure we have been getting up front and the general mayhem that guys like Dansby and Odrick have been bringing have covered up some things that were getting exposed. The biggest problem we have I think in pass coverage is both of our CBs and LBs are really more suited for press man coverage, and Nolan likes to blitz and then play zone on the back end. But lately all of that has been covered up by what has been going on up front. Our DBs are able to be more physical and they have been letting out a little bit of aggression on the teams we played. We got some defenseless receiver calls a few weeks ago, but last week I think they took 3 WRs out of the game at one point or another for the Bills.
The past 12 quarters(3 games) we have not allowed a TD. I hope we can at least keep that up through the first quarter.
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by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:05 AM CST up reply actions
Dansby was also hampered by a groin injury early on and he admitted he was a bit overweight
(needed a better training regimen during the lockout I suppose)
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
That's no tame Flipper-like Dolphin...
… it’s a freakin’ blood-thirsty shark, a frikkin’ Cowboy man -eater…
‘Phins fans, the lot of ya…… Strange, Phinatics, Anish, Jason, AlejandroN, any I might’ve missed, hope your Thanksgiving was filled with the true joys of the day, family, friends, feasting, despite the way that game turned out. Thanks for coming over, sharing in the pre-game bulid-up, answering questions, sharing some talk and banter, just being outstanding guests.
What. A. Game.
One to give thanks for, either way in terms of final score. Edge-of-the-seater down to the final play. Good luck rest of the season. You got a team that’s gonna do some damage.
There’s gonna be plenty of gnashing of teeth over the Moore slip-up in Cowboys country yet again, I’ll warrant.
Again, guys, thanks for the sharing the camaradrie of fanhood in an exemplary manner and for coming over.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Is that Cuban poontang as good as they say.
Nobody cares about your effin fantasy team, keep it to yourself...........Lock n Load
Yes. Yes it is.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Cuban vs Dominican vs Mexican vs Puerto Rican
Who wins? I’d like to conduct a test with all 4 subjects(preferably at the same time)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 24, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
BTW, it is always nice if someone goes to our site and makes a similar thread
It may take you 24 hours to be able to post sadly.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
How is Cameron Wake doing?
He was last year’s phenom but I don’t hear his name much this year.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
As much as stats don't tell the whole story, especially vague stats
PFF lists the following:
sacks: 6 (tied for 13th in the league and 6th amongst 3/4 OLBs)
QB Hits: 12 (2nd in the league 3/4 OLBs; Ware is actually much lower here… his “hits” are more meaningful because they happen before the ball gets out :))
QB Pressures: 34 (1st in the league amongst 3/4 OLBs by a noticeable margin; I have no idea how they judge QB pressures)
PFF as of this week actually has him rated the highest out of all 3-4 OLBs
By the numbers, if you take them on their face value, he is having a good season, he just isn’t getting as many sacks.
The eye test tells me he is often in the QBs face disrupting plays. I wish we had a stronger presence across from him.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
us cowboys fans wish we had a stronger presence across from ware
But of course wakes and wares don’t come around every year sadly.
by matt575 on Nov 23, 2011 1:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
we will trade Ware for Phillip Merling
Done deal?
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by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 7:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
I would even throw in the current sack leader among all active players...
Jason Taylor… I hear he can also dance too….. interested???
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by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
A few questions:
1) How do you feel about moving a decent RT in to G where has been less effective and putting in the worst RT in the world? Doesn’t make much sense to me.
2) What happened to your D this year?
3) Do you think Sparano is a good HC?
alright here goes
1. Personally, I hated what sparano did to the right side of the OL. Moving Carey to guard, his original position out of college will increase his shelf life, but will decrease his quality. Colombo, well he has been replaced with free agent banana peel, who is playing much better and is improbing the OL as a whole.
2. Our D was out of shape. No other reason. Whether it was the lockout or whatever, I don’t know. They were cramping up week 1, Vontae Davis missed the first half of the season with a hamstring injury and Karlos Dansby showed up 25 pounds overweight. As the season progressed, they have gotten in better shape and have been playing better.
3. Sparano is Jekyll and Hyde in terms of coaching. Sometimes, like the first half of this season, he will show why he should never have been a coach. And sometimes , like the past few weeks, he will show why he should stay. I personally believe that he should be fired, but many fans like him again after the last few wins.
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by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 7:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Regis retired last week. Didn't you hear?
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
Philbin and Carmichael out of NO are my top two picks for HC
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Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
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by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hated him a few weeks ago...
My knock on him was that he never won the games we were supposed to win easy. Teams that never should have beaten us did because we would get up by a TD and then start to play this field position game. That doesn’t work when the other team is trying to score more TDs than you. But I have loved what has taken place the last few weeks. It seems he realized is the way you beat really bad teams is you put it on them the first 3 quarters then don’t let up in the 4th quarter. The only way I want him around next year though is if we end the season 9-7. How do you not blame the head coach when the team comes out 0-7 to start the season?
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
Carey was not decent...
While he was not as bad as Columbo has been this year, he was also not really that good. He would regularly let an elite pass rusher run by free without even getting a hand on their jersey.
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"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
Brandon Marshall
what happened last week?He lost my fantasy game for me .Should I trust him this week or is something wrong with him?
I hate to start him because I don’t want him to do good against theBoys.
by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 23, 2011 12:33 AM CST reply actions
Marshall was more of a decoy this past sunday
he also dropped two passes, one a gimme but the second for the TD would have been tough (and might have made the plays of the week had it been upheld on the challenge).
Also, we didn;t throw as much as in previous weeks as we went up early, had two ints in or near the RZ and scored on a blocked punt. Moore threw 20 times, completing 14 passes. including 4 to Charles Clay, the FB/TE
I would be shocked if they didn’t try to get him the ball more this week. He won’t be happy otherwise. Also, Fasano, who has been getting some looks, should be busy helping Marc “the turnstile” Colombo.
If Marshall doesn’t get a lot of targets, it will be because Moore is pressured and not because there is something wrong with him (apart from dropsies).
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Not too many years ago,
the RT didnt need to have quick feet as a prerequisite because most teams are “right handed”, meaning they run to the Tightend side which is usually the right side, so they would put their best “mauler” olineman as the RT, but in the last few years Defensive Coordinators recognized that their best Rusher was usually only being used against the other teams best and quickest of foot Olineman the LT, so they started moving that guy (like Ware) over to the RT to take advantage of him not being able to handle the “speed rush” guy. At the same time Columbo was getting slower……not a good combination!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Oh, and thanks for the kind words
on my Football 101 posts.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
If they're not going heavy...
… Fasano inside, Nolan’s missing a chink in the armor, especially if you see a James/Brooking tandem out there. Stalwarts at one time, but age and toil have taken their toll. Then again, as you say, if Columbo doesn’t get help vs Ware, it could be a looong day for Moore stretched out between markers. Who else do the ’Phins use for the middle-field short-to-intermediate stuff?
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It has been one of the reasons Fasano isn't as big a part of the passing game
while he is not the biggest receiving threat out there, and has had some drops, he can make some nice catches as well (he has made some tremendous catches actually). I think he would be a more known name if we didn’t always need him to block due to poor o-line play the past two seasons.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Which's why I was asking about alternatives you have
Either blocking or tearing us a new one going inside? Though, on the ripping it wouldn’t be new, but it would cause some tearing.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Davone Bess was Chad Henne's safety valve
hasn’t had a great game with Moore yet. Bush is there to checkdown to as well.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
i think moore was told to spread it around a bit more
Marshall used to be the only person he would throw to, now he’s hitting guys like clay, bess, hartline and fasano.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 7:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Iiiigooooorrrr!!!
What are the chances of BTB-favorite Igor Olshansky seeing any action, and how’s he been for you guys?
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 23, 2011 4:02 AM CST reply actions
One thing I would think Woicik might
bring to the table is the recognition that guys like Igor that are very strong in the Upper body really need and are often lacking in the most improtant area for the guys in the trenches….and that is becoming much stronger with their “squats” than they currently are.
Guys love to be in the gym and do the “bench press” and “Clean and Jerk”, but often you will see those big guys that should be doing “squats”, doing the more popular stuff instead.
Leverage is a key in the trenches and it comes from leg strenght more that upper body strength and that upper body strength was Igor’s advantage, but it was misplaced….IMHO!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Igor has been playing well enough
He is mostly deep int the rotation though, due to our excess of quality DEs. But he takes advantage of his playing time and made a few good tackles over the weeks.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 7:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I went over to phinsider.com
and did not find your name as one of the contributors. In fact there was only one guy that was writing the “front page” stuff….a guy named Mosul_DolFan.
Is he the only front page writer?
And why can’t I find your posts there?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Really?
What does it matter? He more than did a great post of “ask us”
And heres his stuff for whatever reason
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN
Thanks. Don't worry though
I appreciate the concern he is showing. While most of our regulars are fine people, there are some folks I wouldn’t want representing us. I am a “veteran” enough member that usually no one minds. Usually, non-“contributing writers” are the ones who do this post. It kind of makes us feel important lol
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Doesnt matter,
Just curious. It’s OK to be curious.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
we have like 4 front page writers
Mosul is the lead editor, and the way its set up on the bottom of the page, he is the head coach, and the other writers are the assistants.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 7:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We're unable to do that
Having multiple HC’s violates league regulations tradition. Then again, we’re spoiled.
Cry 'Havoc!'
LOL I am not a conrtibutor
I am just a very regular member
We have several contributors. Including one guy who posted here today, AlejandroN (look for his posts on play breakdown).
Mosul is in charge, Finhead83, Kmb, AlejandroN, write most of our main articles.
I am just regular enough (and not too disrespected) that I feel comfortable posting an ask thephinsider post
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
If you are concerned though
I guarantee you, if one of our more “trollish” posters were to have tried to represent, Mosul would have cracked heads :)
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Nope, just curious.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I'm lucky no one asked about my credentials at Buffalo Rumblings
I did one of these posts the week of the Buffalo game.
In either case, I wouldn't have been bothered
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Yeah Strange is a vet, he, along with myself and many others are the ones that usually make these.
And if you see a fin fan by the name of Ozkar, ignore anything he says. Every fanbase has its bottom feeder, Ozkar is ours.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 10:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If you don't feed them,they usually go away
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
And now, for your entertainment, ladies and gents...
… we come to the good-natured trash-talk portion of our show here at the travelling ‘Phinny sports bar under Jerrah’s pretentious palace big top. So pull your mouths offa them bottlenoses, share some of your finest and keep it humourous, not hateful.
On the menu this Thanksgiving, we offer up the finest in the sea’s (see’s? C(owboys)‘s?) bounty to satiate your appetite, pre-game. ’Cuz once it’s on, kitchen’s closed, only the bar’s open and set high (we hope).
Care for some lemon with that mahi mahi? Particularly good when it’s grilled…
(grilled? interrogated? ahhh, questioned…)
Here, Flipper, c’mere boy…
No, no, it’s not, it’s merely common dolphinfish, not our delightful guide to the bounty of the sea…
Happy Thanksgiving, folks. And for that see’s bounty, I, for one, give thanks.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Flipper?,
i’d Flip er on the left ..
: ))
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
We Fight On !!,That's The Cowboys Way !!.
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 23, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
there was a Dolphin logo?
P.S. what is wrong with you?
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
on to more serious matters
This should be a good test for the cheerleaders. Miami and Dallas have the hottest squads in the nation (with miami a little bit ahead, just IMO). Who do you think is better, please post pics as proof.
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 10:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did. You're up.
Center auburn’s dibbed and branded with a nice Star in a… – strategic location.
Though, “better” will require extensive investigation over the whole population before I dare attempt to define it.
Cry 'Havoc!'
good question Anish
i’m bias so i’m gonna have to roll w/ our tex gals but i wouldn’t complain about having a piece of south beach either.. sounds like a win-win situation
name something u sit in.. chair.. try again.. big chair.. nope that's the same thing try again.. high chair.. that's still a chair.. chair.. say something other than chair.. what if i can't think of anything.. u can pass.. how do i pass.. just say it.. say what.. say pass.. chair
by DarkKnight88 on Nov 23, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I've never seen
a more appropriate place for our BTB mascot…SHAY! Someone going to help me out?
by Vegas Cowboy on Nov 23, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
HOLY SHIT
I mean, HOLY SHIT
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 11:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You mean ... HOLY SHAY .
After all she is " Divine "..
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
We Fight On !!,That's The Cowboys Way !!.
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 24, 2011 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
Who is she?
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Wow.
…
…
football game… wow…
turkey… wow
what were we talking about?
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Real Question-
Who is a better kicker-
Snowflake vrs Bailey
MacGruber!
by Mojoness on Nov 23, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
rec'd for the ace ventura reference
name something u sit in.. chair.. try again.. big chair.. nope that's the same thing try again.. high chair.. that's still a chair.. chair.. say something other than chair.. what if i can't think of anything.. u can pass.. how do i pass.. just say it.. say what.. say pass.. chair
by DarkKnight88 on Nov 23, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like Anthony Fasano back...That is all
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
DeMarcus is EveryWare Man
Twitter: @silva918
we will trade him for ware
Deal?
Admiral of the RGIII "Robert Griffin," silver medal battleship of the luckfleet
Daniel Thomas for 2012 pro bowl
Green Bay OC Joe Philbin for HC.
All hail the mighty brandstater, the true qb god
by AnishB15 on Nov 23, 2011 10:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
trade you Anthony Spencer,Keith Brooking and Bradie James for Cameron Wake
Deal?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 23, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Prefer your boots lead
Or concrete?
deal backwards will only lead us where we once were, not Ware.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Or Witten?
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:34 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take Bennett.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Fasano for Bennett?
Deal….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 24, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Fasano isn't a good receiver.
He has nice hands (but lacks concentration at times), but wouldn’t be able to out run a 34 DL. There’s a reason why some of our OL have higher speed ratings than him.
Bennett can block as well as Fasano, but is faster and can gain separation on LBers.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Robert Frost. Leader and Founder of the Ray Ray Armstrong and Aaron Henry Bandwagons. "pm striker king"- WZB.
Does Dexter Morgan really work for Miami PD?
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
No, but the guy from six feet under does
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Is Ray Finkle in the Dolphins Hall of Fame?
Damn knows The Mule should be. Too bad he got cocky and missed one big kick.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Nov 23, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No, but Lois Einhorn is ;)
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
Finkle is Einhorn... Einhorn is Finkle...
SUCK FOR LUCK!! 2012 will mark exactly 13 years since Marino retired
"it will take the Dolphins 13 years to replace Dan Marino at QB"-- Omar Kelly
"if you ain't first, you're last," --Ricky Bobby
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 24, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
To train za dolphin you must think like za dolphin
by irvinfan on Nov 23, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you all for the conversation
I am torn. Depressed because we lost and were sloppy. Happy though that we stayed with you guys, which no one would have expected a few weeks back.
Good luck the rest of the way.
"The first thing I do when I get out of bed and feel the jolt in my knees is think of Roy Winston. On the second step, my calcified Adam's apple starts bobbing, and I think of Carl Eller. A few more steps in the dark and it's Willie Lanier. By the time I get to the bathroom, I'm flashing back to Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke. And when the light finally comes on, I just hope that somewhere in the darkness they're thinking of me, too" - Larry Csonka.
He played before my time but one of the toughest SOBs to ever play!
by Strange on Nov 24, 2011 7:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Strange u & the rest of
the phins fans keep ur heads up, u have nothing to be depressed about.. i expected this to be a slugfest especially w/ the way y’all have been playing the last 4 (not 3) games.. u guys have a great bunch & i don’t even recall seeing 1 troll, good luck the rest of the way n i’ll wish y’all success for the future.
name something u sit in.. chair.. try again.. big chair.. nope that's the same thing try again.. high chair.. that's still a chair.. chair.. say something other than chair.. what if i can't think of anything.. u can pass.. how do i pass.. just say it.. say what.. say pass.. chair
by DarkKnight88 on Nov 24, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Gave
Good luck to you too. Though, those ‘Phins needn’t the wish. They’ll make plenty of their own on the good side. Enjoy the season. Feb 6th’s coming way too quick.
Cry 'Havoc!'
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