Romo in MVP Mix

Sorry

I thought I had figured out the spacing issue, but looks like I’m still an idiot.

by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2011 2:41 PM CST reply actions

question on the spacing thing

what Browser are you using?…..if you aren’t using either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox then you will continue to have issues like this.

Another thing is if you are trying to use a Moblie device(blackberry, I-pad, etc) to do these up…if so I would recommend not doing it. wait until you can sit down in front of an actual physical Keyboard to type these up.

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 22, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

The problem is copy and paste

You browser is not posting correctly and even if you have Chrome it is sometimes still a problem. Try just putting it in the format for this site and it will work better and you may have to edit..Copy and paste is the culprit..I would bet a cold beverage on it..

by bevomav on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions

I only have Internet Explorer

but for the last couple of posts, I’ve typed it out on Word first and then cut and pasted it on the site and that worked out well. But not this time. I’m just embarrassed.

by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions

well get chrome or firefox

they are free and better

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 22, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

FTFY

well get chrome ~~or firefox~~
they are free and better

"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones

by KJDH2154 on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions

Not a chrome fan

It butchers my fantasy football transactions

by redandy on Nov 24, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions

Boo this man!

Jk, I’m sure the Fanpost fairy will be along to fix it shortly.

#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3

by accidental innuendo on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions

Deus ex machina

Not sure ~~OCC~~ the fanpost fixer would take kindly to…

Man, that is one kick-ass fairy. Or is that ass-kickin’.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions

Don't be

Different browsers, esp IE, work quirky with this SB Nation stuff. Add in any offline editting and cut-and-paste from Word or another word processor, it can get hinky at times.

Have a look at this post by OCC on creating fanposts. It might help ya out with some of the issues.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions

Here's what you need to do

Press the edit button to edit the post. Once in edit mode, click on HTML View.

Now mark every paragraph you want to have and press the “P” on your toolbar in the editor (just to the left of the Bold and Italic buttons). This adds a < p > at the start of the paragraph and a < /p> at the end. This is html for ‘start paragraph’ and ‘end paragraph’. Do this for every paragraph and everything should be fine.

I’d edit the post for you but it’s a little long to guess where all the paragraphs are meant to be.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 22, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

by the way, you can do this in Word as well, just add < p > and < /p> to each paragraph and then copy/paste the whole thing into the post.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 22, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks, chief

Now…

Error. Error. Danger, Will Robinson.

Open the pod bay doors, HAL…

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions

all is good, your effort is worthy .... )

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 22, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions

This is funny

This whole post just turned into a post about posting on various browsers. But yes, Tony Romo should be in the mix for MVP

"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones

by KJDH2154 on Nov 22, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions

I fixed it! I'm down with OCC

yeah you know me

by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions

It's beautiful, man

Now let’s read it.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 22, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions

Tony Romo Should NOT be in the mix for MVP, the entire post sounds like a stretch.

But meh, I like Romo, and am happy to have him as my QB. But you can’t have FOUR QB’s doing better than you, and still be in the mix. ESPECIALLY when you have ARGUABLY better weapons than they do. If you’re the 4th best QB you better have a bunch of highschool players you’re thrwoing to and an undefeated record.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions

not a very good argument

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 22, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions

There ya have it from the Grand Master Voice of experience

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions

Romo..NEVER!

The media hatred for Romo is over the top. They would come closer to giving the award to Phillip Rivers than Romo.

by bevomav on Nov 22, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions

Because????

Your response was not a very good counter point.. lol

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 4:46 PM CST reply actions

Sorr that was @ Terry

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions

Also, this is wildly premature. Let's see Romo do over the next six weeks what

he’s done the last three before, as Parcells says, we get out the anointing oil. And even then, unless the world starts spinning the opposite direction, Rodgers will get it.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

You know...

… that oil can light up a torch real well. Even a human one.

Two, two, two mints in one.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions

I'll say it. I think the whole "he's got better weapons than everyone else in the NFL" is

completely bogus. Does he have the D that Big Ben benefits from? Does he have Brady’s or Bree’s O line? Have any of them played through a broken rib and punctured lung this season? Has he had a stable set of receivers AT ALL this season? When was the last time his best WR played a whole game? His most reliable wide receiver of the moment was signed off the street, and the two of them have done a remarkable job of building a rapport; is that not significant? The running game just woke up a couple of weeks ago, and it was invisible this week. It’s funny how everyone else makes the most of their supposedly meager resources, poor guys, but Romo is just up to his ears in the bestest supporting cast evah. Except not really.

That said, unless the world starts spinning the opposite direction, Rodgers will win it.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions

I didn't say "he's got better weapons than everyone else in the NFL" EVER.

I said that if he’s the 4th best QB, and has better weapons than the three ahead of him he’s not going to win it. Rodgers is debatable, but I believe he has better weapons than brees and Brady. I understand what you’re saying about the Oline and the ups and downs of the running game…. but when people are going to decide on an MVP, they aren’t going to choose the 4th best QB with the 4th best record, and arguably the best overall skill players around him (OF THE FOUR QB’S MENTIONED.)

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions

You just shrug off the O line? What is more key? You think Brady would look like a genius behind

the Cowboys O line? I think not. Break it down for me player by player. Miles is out and has been most of the season. Dez is still raw, makes plenty of mistakes, and disappears for stretches of games. The press has decided that Gronkowski (or however you spell it) has surpassed Witten. Who on the Cowboys is as reliable or experienced as Welker? Robinson has played all of how many games for the Cowboys? I repeat, the run game is poor without Fiammetta.

If you want to argue that the others’ teams have better records or QB ratings, and you want to base your argument on that, cool. But the notion that Romo has weapons the others don’t is wildly exaggerated.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions

C'mon Fernie.

Fernie: I didn’t say to “Just shrug off the Oline” or that “It isn’t key”
I didn’t say that Romo has weapons that others don’t, I’m saying that they will look at what he has on paper and many will believe that he has better weapons. PLUS I didn’t say that they are SUPREMELY better, just better. Against the pats I believe that most voters would take our Receiving core over theirs. I disagree that “the press has decided that Gronkowski has surpassed Witten” in his second year in the league. And I don’t think the voters would trade Murray for Whoever is running the ball for the pats.

If I go through the pats skill players on offense I come up with the same thing. However I’m not saying they are better than Romo JUST STATING THAT BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT HE ONLY THE 4TH BEST QB THIS YEAR HE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED IN MVP VOTING THIS YEAR!!!

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions

Don't c'mon me. You said this:

ESPECIALLY when you have ARGUABLY better weapons than they do.

I call BS.

And since I just heard this said on TELEVISION the other day:

I disagree that "the press has decided that Gronkowski has surpassed Witten" in his second year in the league.

You would be wrong.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

C'mon Fernie... C'mon

You are then saying that we do NOT have ARGUABLY better weapons than the pats or Saints (understanding that I’ve stated many times I’m talking about skill postions). So you are then saying there is no Rational Argument for stating that Miles and Dez are better then the Pats/saints WR. You are also saying there is no Rational Argument for Witten over Gronkowski/graham, and no Rational Argument for Murray over Sproles/Green-ellis. I don’t think that’s BS at all. Then the fact that you heard someone on Television say that Gronkowski is better than Witten doesn’t mean that the “Press has decided that Gronkowski has surpassed Witten” in his second year in the league…. so YES… “C’mon Fernie” However naturally you are missing my overall point which I will REassert in my response below.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions

Actually, you are completely misrepresenting what I said about Witten.

I think he is peerless in the NFL. Not everyone agrees, including the MNF crew.

I’m not “naturally” missing anything. You’re evidently so set on proving you’re right about how Romo looks on paper, you’re missing MY point.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry what's your point?

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 11:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Witten "ass"essment aside

MNF ~~crew~~ clowns, especially the pandering ~~grufuss~~ goofuss, are as suspect as… – oh wait, they are, the crown clowns of bspn.

Excuse the interruption, gents. Have at ’er.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions

Or let me be more specific. This isn't an on-paper game. You're welcome

to prefer our receivers over whichever QB you choose. But this is about THIS YEAR. You like Miles? Me, too. How much has he played this year? You like Dez? I like some of what he does, but he has a LONG way to go to be a top receiver in this league. You want to take the O line out of it? You can’t. You can’t talk about this in a vacuum. Our O line isn’t in the same conversation as Brady’s or Brees’s. I’m sorry you feel put upon, but I think it’s a fair argument. Now, do I think Romo has proved he’s worthy of being MVP? Hardly. He’d have to be as consistently good the rest of the season for that. And even then? Rodgers will get it. And that’s cool.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions

"over those of whichever QB you choose." I need to slow down.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions

Here's my point again since you appear to have missed it.

Tell me if you agree or disagree with this please….

ALL I’M saying is that unless he was the best QB in the league the only way he gets that award is if he DOES NOT have a strong supporting cast.

The only way he leapfrogs guys ahead of him currently ,Brees, Brady Rodgers WITHOUT better stats or record is if when people look at the cowboys at their skill positions they see that Romo didn’t have much to work with. But he has alot to work with, IMO ARGUABLY more than Brees and Brady, but not much more, and I would accept arguments to the contrary.

As for the Oline, I’m not saying your point isn’t valid, I’m saying it’s something that people just don’t take into consideration like they should I’m sorry. Last year everyone knew that the Bear’s Oline was in Disarray and Cutler was being sacked all over the place but what we heard was that “Cutler’s footwork and mechanics are off, he makes too many mistakes” and “Forte appears to have lost a step.” The OL’s DT’s, FB’s don’t get the credit they deserve, but that’s not something i decided on, it’s just the way it is. so if you’re arguing who’s doing more with less, or less with more, you’ve missed my point. I’m just saying why or WHY NOT, Romo would not be considered in the voting for MVP THIS YEAR by Voters!

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions

Brees has

Marques Colston, who is roughly the equal of Miles Austin. Then they have Meachum and Devry Henderson, who combined have put up better numbers than Dez the last two seasons. Lance Moore is the quintessential 3rd receiver, and meanwhile Jimmy Graham has blossomed into one of the best TE’s in the game. We wish Felix Jones was like Darren Sproles, so I guess that Murray is better than Mark Ingram. Not to mention Brees has not only Sean Payton, who has proven himself a better head coach and offensive mind than RHG, but he also has an excellent offensive coordinator in Pete Carmichael. Brees has way more advantages than Romo.

by DavidH22 on Nov 22, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not missing anything. I don't care about your original point. I don't

care who MVP is this year. All I was interested in discussing is your assertion that Romo has a better supporting cast than the other top QBs in the league, an assertion that has been used way too many times to make it Romo’s fault that the Cowboys don’t have 6 SB rings in the last 5 years. I disagree with you on that particular point. You disagree with me on that particular point. We’re done.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions

"we're done"?

Man you need a hug or something. Long day? Would you trade all of our skill players for the saints/pats? If you even have to think about it then it is debatable. The fact that people have said something to talk about why Romo should win a Super Bowl is on them. However i never said anything like this as it takes a team to win a super bowl and Romo is easily one our best players if not the best You sound emotional and silly trying to win this argument when from reading your posts in the past I know your a smart person. I’ll assume I just struck a nerve. Why even respond if you dont care about my original point about Romo for MVP on a fanpost about Romo for MVP? Lolol(i couldnt stop laughing at that one) But you want to argue about one small aspect of my point in a different context? That’s actually just a little weird. I understand that “We’re done” lol so I’ll leave it alone. Good night.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 11:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

The Packers' weapons versus ours' is not even a debate. They have an incredible stable of WRs

and the best pass-catching TE in the league. The Steelers have a much better defense and a very underrated WR corp (Mike Wallace is a top-eight receiver and Antonio Brown is pretty awesome as well). And as for the Saints and the Patriots I would say its about even (although Welker and Sproles have been bigger weapons than anyone on our team). You like to pretend that anyone backing Romo is ignorant about the NFL, but I would probably say you are more myopic than a lot of us. Miles has been hurt, Dez is inconsistent, Robinson is inconsistent, the running game is inconsistent, and the defense is inconsistent. Plus, as Fernie just pointed out below, our O-line has been a lot worse than what Brees, Rodgers, or Brady has had to deal with, AND Tony has been playing through broken ribs. The only common thing on our offense that Tony has had this year is probably Jason Witten. It seems like you are more guilty of overrating our weapons than I am of overrating the QB that is #4 in the league in QB rating.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Nov 22, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions

And with all of this said, I should clarify that I think Rodgers is the MVP hands down.

There is no better QB in the league at the moment and he is playing some of the best QB I have ever seen.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Nov 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

People please stop taking what I'm saying out of context.

I NEVER said that anyone backing Romo is ignorant aboutt he NFL. What the hell is even happening here.. lol. I am talking about what a voter would be looking at on paper. The QB’s Stats and who he has to throw to or handoff two affect how “Valuable” they believe he is. Then you get all sensitive and go in to full blown “Defend Tony Mode.” lol. Then I’m talking about skill positions and your talking to me about Defense and a bunch of other stuff. As for the Saints and Patriots, if I had the option RIGHT NOW to exchange our skill players for theirs I wouldn’t. To be Honest, I wouldn’t even exchange with the pack. I feel like we have a better 1-2, but they have a deeper receiving core, and Finely is probably a better receiver than witten. But I’ll still take murray over Sparks/Starks, whatever…

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions

the only qb thats played better over last 3 games is Rodgers .........

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 22, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure why you said that, but okay.

lol

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions

oopse lol my reply was fail to wrong person loil

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 23, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions

16-3=?

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions

So defense now doesn't affect team performance or even offensive performance?

I think it has been shown pretty conclusively that it does. I mean after all, Trent Dilfer wasn’t a top QB when he won the Super Bowl. Regardless, maybe you wouldn’t exchange them, but you aren’t exactly providing great arguments as to why. I can point to a whole lot of reasons but you seem to be content with “feelings.” Miles has been hurt. Dez is inconsistent. I can’t fathom why you think those two players are not untradeable when we are talking about guys like Welker, Jennings, Finley, etc.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Nov 23, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions

Also, I am not in full blown "Defend Tony Mode."

If anything, I am in “Let’s stop pretending we are uber-talented” mode.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Nov 23, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions

So you are saying that you would without argument

Trade our skill players for the saints or pats players.( not a combination of all three teams).

Secondly I didn’t say defense doesn’t affect the offense nor did I say the OL doesn’t affect the offense nor did I say coaching doesn’t affect the offense like Fernie brought up(lol). Check out my original point, I understand everyone’s logic and if this was a “who’s better” post I would get it. However the conversation is about the MVP mix. In order to jump THREE qb’s with better stats AND better records it would have to be pretty obvious that you don’t have anyone to help your stats out at the skill positions. If Brees or Rodgers was in the same position I may use the same argument. Because I could see how they ARGUABLY have the better team. Does that make sense?

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 23, 2011 7:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Who? By what criteria?

Player Tgt Rec Yds TD Rec%
Finley 48 33 445 5 68.75%
Gronkowski 73 52 709 8 71.23%
Graham 94 62 873 6 65.96%
Witten 78 49 585 4 62.82%
Davis 42 34 379 4 80.95%

Or critical 1st down snags? Where’s that number? I asked a while back, had a comment on it deleted because it didn’t sit well with someone.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions

I thought that you didn't believe stats told the whole story?

Finley is a TE who basically plays WR. Go back and watch how the Vikings doubled him and got gashed because of it. There is no greater receiving threat at TE than Finley in my opinion. Just look at the low number of targets and the high number of TDs. There is a reason for that. Teams tend to look towards their best receiver in the redzone.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Nov 23, 2011 12:57 AM CST up reply actions

heh-heh-heh

You know I don’t, Creasy. Bait to get the criteria for your call. And don’t get me wrong, not naysaying the guy, see the receiving talent there, the Bolt classic style. What’s your call on Davis vs Finley?

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 23, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions

Teams do tend to look at their best receiver in the redone

But some guys are better redzone targets because of size and athletisicm Finley/jennings. Roy Williams last year or Dez (when healthy).

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 23, 2011 7:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

It's way premature, but either way, I agree

with bevomav. Too much prejudice against Romo; if the Cowboys win, it’s because of the team. If they lose, it’s on him.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions

I disagree with you Fernie67...

When we’re winning Romo’s getting sit down interviews all over my television, the media WANTS him to be a star which is why I think they’re so hard on him. To have a Cowboy QB lead his team to the playoffs and win an MVP would be a ratings bonanza.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions

First off, Rodgers will get it. He's not going to melt down. But even if he did,

they would not give it to Romo, even if the Cowboys won every game the rest of the season. It would go to Brady or Brees.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions

And why wouldn't they give it to Romo?

(Btw, I agree this is Rodgers to lose, after him it depends on what Forte does, ESPECIALLY with Cutler gone.)

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

Have you seen the things said about him?

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

Based on what he's done SO FAR this season, he's deserved it.

Have you seen the things said about him on THIS SITE!?!?!? where we are all supposedly cowboy fans? C’mon Fernie, I’m not saying Romo isn’t great, but sometimes we have to spare the conspiracy theories. If Romo has a better season than every other QB in the League and we have a very solid Record, he will probably win the MVP. But that’s how it works for EVERYONE.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions

Well, we're not going to find out this season, are we? I hope Romo

dazzles the rest of the season, but it’s going to be Rodgers, and that’s fine by me. I care a lot more about the Dolphins game than some end-of-season award.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

I agree with you here,

But you’re responses, and your interest in a post about “some end-of-season award” seems to say that you care about it at least a little… :). But Yeah I’ll take a SB over an MVP award 100 times out of 100.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions

I don't care about it. I care about the notion that the other QBs

you name have a better supporting cast than Romo. That argument is trotted out all the time as a way to say that it’s all Romo’s fault that they Cowboys haven’t won a ring while he’s been starting QB. It’s a simple-minded argument when there is so much more to the story. That the part that gets me going, not the MVP thing.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions

But I don't agree with that...

ALL I’M saying is that unless he was the best QB in the league the only way he gets that award is if he DOES NOT have a strong supporting cast.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions

lol put Rodgers behind this line w/ all the injuries we have had .....

and Rodgers sings a lil different tune …….

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 22, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe same tune

But with a whistle to it from the puncture. Question’s that tune Tony’s or Aaron’s.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions

Rodger's line was pretty HORRIBLE last couple of years.

Didn’t he lead the league in sacks two years ago. It was his first year starting as well I believe and he still put up some fairly serious numbers. To be honest, I STILL think his line is pretty garbage. They couldn’t open up a running lane for Heidi Klum to fit through.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions

Don't get me wrong

Not taking anything away from Rodgers or his play. And yeah, he’s not had the luxury of an impenetrable barrier either. Right, 2009 he took most sacks, though since he got the reins in 2008 his numbers there have been top (bottom? on-back?) 10 consistently. Takes a lickin’, keeps on tickin’. He’s one of damn few I’d even consider in Tony’s place.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions

i agree there ... )

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 23, 2011 12:55 AM CST up reply actions

I don't think they "want him to be a star"

but when he does well, he gets kudos.

When he screws up, they jump hardcore all over him, giving him a disproportionate amount of the blame. Again, if Romo did what Rivers was doing, it would be EVERYWHERE.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions

It goes both ways man, I'm sorry.

You probably don’t see it as much, but talk to your non cowboy fan friends, and they’ll tell you how “Overrated” they think the Cowboys are. I don’t think the Cowboys are overrated but apparently based on the way the media sells our players, (when we’re doing well or coming off an offseason) seems to make other fans believe that the cowboys receive preferential treatment.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions

Then they're seeing what they want to see. Tell me this, why are there

so few Cowboys in the HoF relative to the success they’ve had? It’s an open criticism and has been so bad that only recently, the voters have tried to start redressing it.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions

There are so few Cowboys in the HoF because the entire NFL,

including fans, media and coaches don’t like the Cowboys and don’t want to see them do well. Mostly because deep down inside they all secretly want to BE a Cowboy!

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

I'll accept that!

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

:)

oh Fernie… lol

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions

Well, I'll accept it until you explain the real answer to me.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions

Truthfully I don't have an answer.

To be honest I don’t know enough about the cowboys who didn’t get in versus those on other teams who didn’t get in to have a stance either way. I guess I have a tough time believing that the whole league is out to get us.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure I'd put it quite so dramatically, but I believe that, all

things being equal, the league will choose a Steeler over a Cowboy more often than not.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions

I don't see it.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions

Why are so many Cowboys

in the Pro Bowl, more than any other team even on years we don’t win a playoff game? Surely that indicates being overrated?

by boyman on Nov 26, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions

well i think its safe to say that our def still needs a talent infusion.

Our defense has the least… wow ….talent on the team. we should give thanks for the fact that we are even in 1st right now. RR has been good w/ the smoke and mirrors so far.

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 22, 2011 7:25 PM CST up reply actions

+100

GET QUINTON COPLES

by Jonathan Stern on Nov 23, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions

Rodgers is far and away the likely choice

he would need to get hurt or crash and burn to not get MVP. Right now, I’d give him about an 80% chance, and it may be more like 90.

Romo is worthy of being in the discussion, yes. But so is Eli Manning for that matter. And some other qbs too.

Its too early, and we haven’t played great offensive ball against good defensive competition, 4th quarter of the SF game aside. Rodgers and GB meanwhile have. They are blasting everyone.

If Romo keeps this level of play in december, I’ll be thrilled.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions

That's my bottom line. I don't give a crap about MVP. I just want Romo to keep

doing as well as he’s done the last three weeks, for the running game to get going again, and for the D to get the pass rush going. Game by game.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions

+1

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

Uhhh, yeah. All the MVP debate's kinda moot

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions

+1

Like when MJ retired, and the rockets won back to back titles?? sorry I know it’s a texas team, maybe I shouldn’t bring that up on BTB.

"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 22, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions

Lots of Mavs fans probably.

Realist.

by DCyanks21 on Nov 22, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions

Really?

I think Rodgers would end up having a better year anyway. Peyton wasn’t exactly having the best season of his career last year.

Realist.

by DCyanks21 on Nov 22, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions

Uhhh, yeah

2010 Colts vs 2011 Colts. Notice anything?

Irrelevant. It’s not awarded this way. I was just making a ~~point~~ observation. Given the QB MVP topic and all.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions

Doesn't mean Peyton would play better than Rodgers.

Maybe our definition of MVP is different. Mine goes to the best player.

Realist.

by DCyanks21 on Nov 23, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Not that my opinion matters...

But i figured the colts would have missed the playoffs either way. Plus there may be some guys mailing it in this season once they realized manning was done.

Oh, and as for romo, anything short of a brady-07 or rodgers-11 type of season, and he’s out of the mvp running.

by redandy on Nov 24, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

It's irrelevant.

Rodgers is going to win MVP.

Realist.

by DCyanks21 on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions

Rodgers can have the MVP.

Romo should aim for the SB MVP

by starmesh23 on Nov 23, 2011 12:26 AM CST reply actions

Just SB

Let the MVP ~~sh!t~~ chip, SB and otherwise, fall where it may.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 23, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions

I would settle for that.

Pretty sure Tony would too.

by illcowboy on Nov 23, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions

I say hes in the race because its in my sig..

All the facts I need!

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 23, 2011 6:57 AM CST reply actions

And that's a fact

Fact is, a man needs only his opinion when it ain’t yet fact.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 23, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions

Hypothetically....

If Rodgers loses the NFC championship game to…hypothetically…Dallas….

Does he still get MVP if Dallas wins the SB?

by MGlover54 on Nov 23, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions

MVP is based on regular season

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 23, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions

my mvp rankings

1. Rodgers

2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Romo
5. Forte
6. Stafford
7. Roethlisberger
8. Manning
9. Foster
10. Shady Mccoy

by demarcus94 on Nov 23, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions

A month ago people wanted Romo hung or burned and the stake. Now he is MVP.

Romo is a solid QB – he is not an MVP QB.

by Jonathan Stern on Nov 23, 2011 8:56 PM CST reply actions

This.

MVP is based on a body of work. Its fine to pretend that over the next few weeks he will do wonderfully and everyone else will stink—but let’s look at reality, and we’ll see good games, great games, and bad games. He’s MAYBE top 5 (a push) and surely top 10. Which makes “Romo for MVP” almost as much an over-reaction as “bench Romo.”

by boyman on Nov 26, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions