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Grading Dolphins @ Cowboys: Performances Of Note

Another close game on Thanksgiving saw the Cowboys edge the Dolphins and move to a 7-4 record. Certainly a cause for celebration all around, even if the win wasn't as convincing as many had expected.

But a win is a win, and at this time of year, that's all that counts. The Cowboys have gained an extra couple of days ahead of their matchup against the Cardinals on Sunday, and after taking those days off, they'll begin preparations for their next game. As part of that they'll review Thursday's performance in detail, and they'll find some things they like and others that they don't.

With a whole week to go before the game, we'll do the same thing here on BTB and review the Cowboys' individual performances against the Dolphins. As usual, we'll do that using the Pro Football Focus player grades.

Star-divide

Follow the link for a lengthy introduction to the PFF methodology. Better yet, read PFF's detailed FAQ, which should answer the vast majority of questions.

Offensive Line

The overall grade for the Cowboys' O-line, a -2.3, suggests they were slightly below average as a unit, but in reality, that number hides what was quite an uneven performance by the Cowboys O-line. 


WK 1 WK 2 WK 3 WK 4 WK 6 WK 7 WK 8 WK 9 WK 10 WK 11 WK 12
  NYJ SF WAS DET NE STL PHI SEA BUF WAS MIA
Overall Grade
-1.4 -12.4 -6.0 +9.2 -14.9 +4.9 +1.2 +4.9 +9.9 -2.4 -2.3

The individual grades give a much clearer indication of how the line performed:


Free Holland Costa Kosier Smith
  LT LG C RG RT
vs. Miami
-0.6 -0.5
+2.0 -2.0 -0.1
Run Blocking
+1.4 -2.2 +0.9 +0.2 -1.1
Pass Protect
+0.6 +1.4 +0.9 -2.1 +1.1

Hooray for Phil Costa: For the first time all season, Costa graded out as the best Cowboys lineman with a +2.0, performing equally well in both run blocking and pass protection. Over the last five games, Costa has accumulated a +3.1 grade after getting a -11.0 in his first six games. Remember how we talked early in the season about how it would take the Yuglies time to adjust to the NFL, and they likely wouldn't come into their own until the second half of the season? Well, we're in the second half now, and Phil Costa is the poster child for that hypothesis. He's been a popular whipping boy for his early-season performance, but he's become much less of a liability in recent games, grading out positively in three of his last five.

False start number 68: Doug Free got called for three false starts. His grade for the those penalties (-2.6) overshadows what was an otherwise solid outing. Free has been flagged for nine penalties so far this season (four holding and five false starts). Only three tackles in the league have been called for more.

Get well soon: Kyle Kosier was limited in practice with a foot injury, and he doesn't appear to have been fully healthy on the field. Kosier allowed one QB Hit and gave up three pressures.

Unexpected run-blocking problems: Both Holland and Smith struggled with run-blocking, Holland had his first red grade for the year here, and Smith only his third.

Skill Position Player Highlights

  • Laurent Robinson (55 of 63 snaps, +1.9) Two TDs and superb playmaking ability outweigh the two drops Robinson had as well as the interception thrown at him. PFF even liked his run-blocking (+0.8). The graders liked Dez Bryant's three receptions for 35 yards a little less and gave him a -0.3.
  • Tony Romo (63/63, +1.6): I don't know how PFF measure heroics, but apparently they do. Romo's production late in the game outweighs his two early interceptions. He did improve his passer rating from 51.6 in the first quarter to 114.1 in the second quarter. 
  • DeMarco Murray (48/63, -0.2) got a good grade (+1.2) as a receiver, was okay as a rusher (+0.2) but gave up two of the Cowboys' five QB hits as a pass blocker (-1.7).

The Front Seven

Just like in the Redskins game, the official NFL gamebook credits the Cowboys defense with 9 tackles for loss, tied for a season high. The Cowboys defense also held their opponent to under 100 yards rushing for the seventh time this season, which moves the Cowboys back into the top ten of run defenses in the league. Lots of green grades follow as a result:

DL OLBs ILBs
Starters Backups Starters Backups Starters Backup
  Coleman Ratliff Hatcher Spears Lissemore Brent Ware Spencer Butler Lee James Brooking
Snaps (69 total)
29 52 35 21 16 11 63 68 15 67 30 13
Rating
+1.0 +2.3 -1.0 -1.0 +1.2 -0.9 +1.6 +3.9 +0.5 +1.3 +2.0 +0.7

On a solid day for the front seven, Anthony Spencer stood out with four QB pressures, one pass defended and eight tackles, including three tackles for loss.

Sean Lissemore again had a very strong outing. With only 170 defensive snaps for the season to his credit, he narrowly misses out on making the PFF ranking at his position. If he were to be included, his +10.6 season grade would rank him sixth among all 3-4 defensive ends, sandwiched between Texans Antonio Smith (+11.7) and J.J. Watt (+8.6). I'm sure there is a good reason why the coaches aren't playing Lissy more (he he he), but I expect him to get a lot more playing time next season.

Secondary

If you've read this post all the way to this point, you must be wondering where all these mostly positive grades are coming from. After all, the game was pretty close until literally the last seconds. Look no further than the Cowboys secondary. They did not have a good day. 

The Cowboys' pass defense is and remains the teams' Achilles heel. One game they'll haul in interceptions like there's no tomorrow, the next day they'll give up long plays like they were having a fire sale. At least that's the feeling you get as a fan watching the games. Here's what the Cowboys' defensive passer rating has looked like for each game so far this season.


WK 1 WK 2 WK 3 WK 4 WK 6 WK 7 WK 8 WK 9 WK 10 WK 11 WK 12
Opponent NYJ SF WAS DET NE STL PHI SEA BUF WAS MIA
Def. Passer Rating
88.7 99.1 77.5 71.9 82.3 64.7 129.9 40.4 46.6 95.2 99.5
Starting Corners Out
1 2 1 1 - - - - - - 1 1 1 1

I've taken the liberty of adding a line in the table indicating how many of the starting corners (Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick) were out injured for each game.

The Cowboys have played only three games with all their three starting corners on board. Unfortunately that three-game stretch also includes the abomination of a game in Philadelphia, but it is what it is.

For the season so far, the Cowboys have put together a 80.8 defensive passer rating. That's not nearly as bad as most fans feel about the Cowboys' secondary. In fact, it's ranked 12th in the league, and is a lot better than the 92.8 the team put up last year. Heck, it's even better than the 83.5 the Cowboys put up in 2009.

That's all very nice of course, but it doesn't change the fact that the Cowboys secondary had a bad day against the Dolphins. I won't even go into all the details here about individual performances, just the grades:

Abram Elam: 69/69, -2.4
Gerald Sensabaugh: 68/69, +0.8
Orlando Scandrick: 68/69, +0.8
Terence Newman: 67/69, -3.4
Alan Ball: 34/69, -3.5
Frank Walker: 25/69, -1.8

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Alan Ball has his moments

They aren’t many. but I do think he needs to go.

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by Antonio S on Nov 28, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

+1 on ball

he just isnt helping the overall cause. but then again, who in the secondary is? i understand tnew is “decent” this year, but the secondary in itself is either old or outplayed every week. this secondary needs work, they should devote the top two draft picks to fixing it, if the personell is available.

by rockkicker on Nov 28, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Still scratching my head about dropping McCann

but that’s water under the bridge. He’s now playing good special teams ball for the Raiders. Don’t know if he’s their 4th or 5th CB.

re. Ball. He’s our 4th CB. I don’t think he sucks as a 4th. If he’s improving, then we need to keep him. If he’s plateaued then he could be replaced. Likely that he, Walker, McCann, and even Butler are separated by very little.

by Eagles suck on Nov 28, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

He probably is pretty descent as a 4th maybe 5th DB

To me though it would be wiser to use a guy who has a ceiling in those positions. I think Ball has reached his ceiling, mediocre corner, less than mediocre safety, mediocre special teams.

Michael Vick- $100 million
Nnamdi Asomugha- $60 million
Asante Samuel- $60 million
Desean Jackson- $0 million
Eagles spending a ton of money and going another year without a superbowl- PRICELESS

by 2tightendpkg on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Mario Butler that bad?

What would cutting Ball and bringing up a PS guy cost the cap?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 28, 2011 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

Give Butler a chance he can’t be worse than ball……or can he?

by Rufiou on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

If he's worse than Ball

He shouldn’t even be mopping the floors in the stadium.

by Bermystar on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Ball is who he is, a good 4th corner. Nothing more.

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"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 28, 2011 10:13 AM CST reply actions  

I think he's just a 4th corner.

You can leave the good part out.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 28, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

loil hahahahaaaaa

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

wtheck is with the double post lol

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The issue is

Opposing O’s are gameplanning to get him on the field, isolate and then target him. It’s Jacques Reeves all over again.

RR either needs to counter this with scheme or personnel and seemingly has been unable to do so.

I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices

by tdships on Nov 28, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

just seeing ball walk through the tunnel.......

  SCARES meeee !

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes they are

but it’s tough to hide corner-backs when the offense spreads the field, that’s why they spread the field.

At a point there’s only so much the coach can do, a cornerback has to play cornerback.

Cowboys to the Superbowl

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 28, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Leave out corner,too

He’s 4th at something. 4th in line for a promotion to Whopper Flopper from Janitor at Burger King.

by MGlover54 on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Whopper Flopper?

LOL

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 28, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Whopper Flopper

You never heard the that term?

by MGlover54 on Nov 29, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Just a technicality, but...

they don’t flop Whoppers. They’re flame broiled from the top and bottom at the same time on a screen conveyor.

Sounded hilarious though.LOL

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Nov 28, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't even know...

if he’s qualified to operate the flame broiling patty burning machine. I seriously doubt he could keep up with where the patties are with the way he keeps his back turned to his work.

by MGlover54 on Nov 29, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Just underscores the fact that the secondary must be a top priority in the 2012 draft.

We need to find a replacement for T New, we need help at safety, take your pick, and we need some depth. We need help at DE, but the secondary seems at this point to be the main priority. I’d resign Spencer and not make a pass rusher a pressing need. That’s it for now, but there are other areas I hope we can also address.

Wish you were here and comfortably numb.

by pfloyd1 on Nov 28, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

maybe draft.....

1. cb
2. dt – move Ratlif to end
3.safety
4. OG
5. OC
6. FB
7. DE
Xtra picks….KR…ilb

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

A fourth corner who plays half of the snaps

grades as poorly as a 9-million dollar 1st corner who plays almost all the snaps, and everyone’s saying to get rid of Ball?

Get perspective. An average or even below average 4th corner is not our problem. Hurt (and old) starting corners are our problem.

by boyman on Nov 28, 2011 10:45 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

True

But Newman has played well at times. Not to say he isn’t old or that we don’t need to draft a replacement.

Ball is rather hot/cold. Or maybe I should say lukewarm/cold.

None the less, he plays excellent special teams and isn’t horrible for a 4th corner.

MacGruber!

by Mojoness on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

but Ball need to look for the ball when it's in the air..........

  not after the WR has caught it loil

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think getting rid of Newman is a given next year

Michael Vick- $100 million
Nnamdi Asomugha- $60 million
Asante Samuel- $60 million
Desean Jackson- $0 million
Eagles spending a ton of money and going another year without a superbowl- PRICELESS

by 2tightendpkg on Nov 28, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Newman was up against one of the best in the game

Ball was up against a guy that probably won’t even make an active roster in 2012.

Cowboys to the Superbowl

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 28, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorta off point

But you really like those backlit pictures from the Rams game, don’t you, OCC?

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by Tom Ryle on Nov 28, 2011 11:01 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Love those pics as well

wonder if that was a result of stadium design or just luck? In other words, do you think Jerry and the architects knew the stadium would produce those types of pictures during certain times of the day?

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Nov 28, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Love 'em

And I don’t we’ve used this one before. Plus it actually features Costa, who has a large part in today’s narrative, so it’s a perfect fit.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 28, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

The visual effects

are pretty cool.

Design firm, who did Lucas Oil in Indy, no doubt saw this, as there are similar effects there. Jerry, probably didn’t pay so much attention because he couldn’t figure out how to charge for it.

Played golf in E TX last week with a guy who had been to the new Stadium and wasn’t especially complementary. One of his complaints was remote parking, (17 mi away)and a 25 min shuttle ride or nearby parking at $90. Is this true? Also said with the beer sponsorship, only Miller products available on site. Lastly, said the pitch of the stands made the action from the upper tier seem pretty far away.

I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices

by tdships on Nov 28, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea! The pretentious palace ain't perfect.

I ain’t the only one seeing the king’s nudity. Blemishes and bloated festering sores.
Say it ain’t so.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah Jerry didnt think the beeer thing through very well.....

 he needs to offer a variety of beers there , therefore he would sell a great deal more per game that way .

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I am sure hes making more with the exclusive sponorship and the drunks still will drink it!

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 28, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Gorgeous?

But I don’t see any cheerleaders in that pic :)

"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)

by BishopWest on Nov 28, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Frank Walker was awful with Fasano

Was chasing him all the time. Never even close to breaking a pass.

by Rufiou on Nov 28, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

One correction OCC

Tony Romo did have two interceptions, but one was cancelled out by the fumble which lead to the first Cowboys touchdown. As a result, I would give the defense an assist for helping Romo with the fumble.

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by Jessy S on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

And another assist to Moore for not reeling it in before Ware punced.

by Aaron Burtram on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Canceled pick?


There’s a neat trick. Happened or didn’t happen, no in-between’s, no “cancelled”.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

At the beginning of the season I thought

we could upgrade Spencer through the draft and possibly get a DE who can apply pressure, thus negating the need to blitz all the time.

Since then I have come to realize corner is the most pressing need on D and probably the entire team. Newman is still solid but no longer worth the contract. Jenkins is above average to good, but having problems staying healthy. I like Scandrick in the slot, but he is streaky and I don’t know if I trust him on the outside.

Would love to add a physical press corner to take away the hot routes and allow the blitz to get to the QB.

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Nov 28, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Agree

We need a CB who can battle with the big WRs out there on jump balls, and the speed to keep up.

by Aaron Burtram on Nov 28, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Newman can still play, but not worth the money. Everyone wanted Jenkins off the team a year ago, but now has everyone begging for his return. I’m not sure I trust Scandrick either and question the merit of the contract he was given. Ball? Nuff said.

I’m thinking we may need to go for help at corner with our 1st pick in the draft ahead of DL because I think you are seeing Ryan prove that you can compete in this defense with some middling talent playing significant snaps at DL but that you really struggle with middling talent at corner. Would like to see help at DL too, but talent, performance, injuries and age all must be addressed in the secondary.

by Elkmgr on Nov 28, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

a question

How does Doug Free have a +.6 in pass protect and a +1.4 in run blocking but end up with a -.6 overall? what else is taken into account?

by WA_Cowboy on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Correct

Free’s overall grade of -0.6 is made up of +0.6 pass blocking, +1.4 run blocking, 0.0 screen blocking (which I never mention) and -2.6 for the penalties.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 28, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

That's another thing

We never seem to use screen plays. Like it doesn’t exist in Garretts play book.

by Aaron Burtram on Nov 28, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

It use to..

I don’t understand why it isn’t used anymore. This young mobile line was suppose to be great at it. Hmm maybe saving for the gaints?

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"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 28, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!

How do you defeat a great pass rush? You throw the screen pass.

How do make sure it’s there when you need it? Don’t show it until its absolutely necessary!

We haven’t yet faced a pass rush of NYG’s caliber. Philly was the next closest.

I’m sure this is just coincidence, but look for lots of screen passes against NYG in the first game. Toss outs too.

by Pharm.D. on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Dallas needs work stopping 3rd downs

Dallas really needs to work on stopping opponents on 3rd downs. Need to get more 3 and outs by opponents. Tired of Dallas playing hard-nose football for 2 downs then giving up 1st down with 3rd and longs. This partly due to weaknesses at CB but then try putting either Holley or Ogletree in on the nickel defense. Scandrick & Newman are adequate but they tend to have penalties on coverage for 1st downs.

by Dcbennett on Nov 28, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

The pats had Adelman playing DB, but he is a lot faster

Is there really no DBs on someone else’s practice squad that could contribute better than Ball

Michael Vick- $100 million
Nnamdi Asomugha- $60 million
Asante Samuel- $60 million
Desean Jackson- $0 million
Eagles spending a ton of money and going another year without a superbowl- PRICELESS

by 2tightendpkg on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Rumor is Jerry passed on a 2nd or maybe a 1st for MartyB............

If offered should Jerry take a #1 for Dez? Say the 1st would be a #15 – #20 range.

Nobody cares about your effin fantasy team, keep it to yourself...........Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

No way Jerry gets rid of Dez

unless Dez does something incredibly stupid

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by Antonio S on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That's how rumors start

How long till such idle speculation hits the mediot-momentum level to take on a life of its own?

Rumor is the Eagles have a dreamy, teamy lock on NFC East, playoffs, maybe even SB.

Oops, was.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Rumor becomes a story, story becomes a legend and so on.

by Rufiou on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard a rumor

that the Cowboys were going to hire me as a fan liaison. I’ll have no real responsibilities, lots of pay and benefits, and be required to be at every game.

There let’s see if this one gets some traction.

by staubachfan on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahahahaaa

 now say thaat… with a serious look OCC lol

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not kidding.

I had Rich Dalrymple on the phone recently. I think Dave gave him my number.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 28, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you tell him to...

Fear The Star? LOL

Speaking of which, where’s our “Fear The Star” post for the Thanksgiving game?

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Nov 28, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

its not the same if you do it every win.

Only wins that make you feel like you are on top of the world!

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Nov 29, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with asking a question

My opinion…nah, I don’t like thinking about trading a guy only in his 2nd yr with as much potential as Dez, gotta give him more time I think.

by Bermystar on Nov 28, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you

But a lot of people thought that about Bennet at the time. Makes me nervous. The key difference though is while Dez might not be the sharpest crayon, Tellus is a moron. I would have traded Tellus after hard knox.

Michael Vick- $100 million
Nnamdi Asomugha- $60 million
Asante Samuel- $60 million
Desean Jackson- $0 million
Eagles spending a ton of money and going another year without a superbowl- PRICELESS

by 2tightendpkg on Nov 28, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

nope....

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Phil Costa FTW!!!

I guess my 5 star rating wasn’t so crazy after all?

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

First year starting

Dunno what everyone expected. He doesn’t have the talent that Tyron has but let’s hope he is good learner.

by Rufiou on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It won't be from lack of effort if he desn't learn.

There have been several stories of his seeking tutoring from JRat and Gurode (before he was cut). I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Kosier has worked with him too. He’s got the desire. Hopefully he can turn that desire into outstanding play.

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

As they say

Everyone in NFL has talent more or less but only those that work hard and refine their skills become great. So let’s say book is still open at costa and I’m excited to see how these new linemen grow up.

by Rufiou on Nov 28, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It might be too earl to totally tell,

But I thought your rating was absurd, so Kudos. Man, If Nagy, Arkin, and Costa can develop into starting caliber in the next year or so, we will be able to concentrate on the Defense for a while. Let’s hope that strength coach really is a miracle worker

Michael Vick- $100 million
Nnamdi Asomugha- $60 million
Asante Samuel- $60 million
Desean Jackson- $0 million
Eagles spending a ton of money and going another year without a superbowl- PRICELESS

by 2tightendpkg on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Costa has very limited lateral mobility

which is his big weakness; not the TRex arms (though that is a small factor as well-forcing him to get closer to his target and not allowing him as much space for movement)
On the Zone, couchscout talked about that; and some others who have played O line agree. As long as he does not have to move much; can face the guy he is fine; but forcing him to move is his undoing. The Boys have worked on the plays and such to minimize that; but the opposing D’s target him. He is a very good back up but will never be much more then he is now.

by burmafrd1944 on Nov 28, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

youd think that the scouts would have noticed that in advance of the draft and tossed that tidbity to JG.

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by demonbane on Nov 28, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

umm you are wrong...
Costa has very limited lateral mobility
which is his big weakness;

his SS time(which measures lateral mobilty BTW) was 4.65 secs…..compare that to

Matt Tennant:
Height: 6045
Weight: 300
40 Yrd Dash: 5.15
20 Yrd Dash: 2.89
10 Yrd Dash: 1.76
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 27
Vertical Jump: 25
Broad Jump: 08’02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.62
3-Cone Drill: 7.60

Phil Costa:
Height: 6025
Weight: 308
40 Yrd Dash: 5.12
20 Yrd Dash: 3.09
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 09’04"

20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.65
3-Cone Drill: 7.66

BTW Matt Tennant is the starting center for the Saints…..other than a few Elite centers in the league, Costa is in the top 10 easily for “Lateral Mobility”…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 28, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

lateral mobility is more than the shuttle

and those talking about his lack PLAYED or COACHED O line. So I take their word over a combine test.

by burmafrd1944 on Nov 29, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong again Burma

the 20 yard SS is specifically designed to test lateral mobility and Agility…..And just because someone has played or has coached a position doesn’t mean that they are qualified to give an opinion…

I will take a test + the fact that Costa is 2nd year starter over your “experts” any day

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

What exactly is a couchscout anyways?

I think we have a few of those on here already.LOL

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 29, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

DB vs. DL reminds me of OL vs. RB question

I’ll grant that Holland and Fiametta made a difference but Demarco is better than Felix and I believe showed that our running issues were more about the running back than anything else.

We could do with better pressure up front and from Spencer but I think it’s clear that DB is where the urgent upgrading is needed. We should upgrade Newman and Sensi next year. Newman through the draft, not sure about SS though.

At a minimum drafting a quality CB to replace Newman and signing a young vet better than Ball/Walker would ideal.

by edubz on Nov 28, 2011 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

I agree on the upgrading the DB's.

I can’t count how many times our CB’s have raised my blood pressure because they didn’t even look for the ball or were so far behind after the initial cut and couldn’t make up ground.

Quicker pressure isn’t going to get our CB’s to look for the ball. Quicker pressure won’t help much if the CB can’t close ground. All it can hope to do is prevent a pass, force a throw away or an errant pass. That’s just hiding that our CB’s aren’t good enough to cover or break up passes consistently. I swear, too many times it looks like they’re just hoping the ball hits them in the back of the head as they crash into the receiver.

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, it's definitely both positions

I err on the side of drafting from the inside out, though – linemen before perimeter payers – so my general preference is to get pass pressure help first, then secondary support. If Chia’s draft reports are accurate (and they always are) this will be a pretty deep class for CBs. Not sure yet on DE / OLB, so probably depth will play a big role in deciding who gets taken where.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 28, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

My SS favorites

Ray Ray Armstrong from The U because off his intensity and swag and Mark Barron from ’Bama because of his consistency.

by Bermystar on Nov 28, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Fiammetta

Supposedly was spotted exercising again. Any word on what this might mean?

I’m guessing he’s still out for the Arizona game, but I really, really hope he’s suited up for the December 11th showdown. The running game has not looked nearly as strong without him.

by Alan Smithee on Nov 28, 2011 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

Per Calvin Watkins

There was some good news as fullback Tony Fiammetta made an appearance on the practice fields wearing a sweatsuit and a knit cap. Fiammetta hasn’t played the last two games because of an undisclosed illness.

Fiammetta was in the Cowboys weight room riding a stationary bike, which is a good sign as he was getting sick when he was working out. Monday’s events could lead to a return in the coming weeks.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 28, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be great

now the “Miles Watch” can begin…

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 28, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

According to what i have read

They coud not confirm the problem, so if it’s a concussion, it comes from his previous football career.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 28, 2011 4:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

REC

Great work again Cool.
I look forward to these every week.
Putting numbers to what we felt we saw.

Thanks. And keep it up.

by bloodyhanded on Nov 28, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

The offensive line needs to toughen up

before we play the Giants or Romo will get killed. Giants put pressure on rushing 4 and dropping 7. We need to get tougher each week and stay that way every game forward.

by Mikellie on Nov 28, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

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