Grading Seahawks @ Cowboys: Performances Of Note
The win over the Seahawks, sloppy as it may have been, left Cowboys Nation with a warm, fuzzy afterglow. That feeling turned into something close to euphoria in the waning minutes of the Monday Night Football game yesterday.
That of course makes it especially hard today to look back at Sunday's game with enough critical distance. Yet that's exactly what we'll try to do as we review the Pro Football Focus player grades to see how the individual efforts of the players graded out.
Additionally, we'll look at the up-and-down performance of the O-line, figure out how penalties impact overall player grades, worry a little about the state of the defensive line and marvel at DeMarco Murray's ability to break tackles.
Follow the link for a lengthy introduction to the PFF methodology. Better yet, read PFF's detailed FAQ, which should answer the vast majority of questions.
| Offensive Line |
The Cowboys' O-line is a never-ending source of bafflement for me. One week they can't block to save their lives, the next week they help DeMarco Murray rush for a franchise record. One week they look like a sieve in pass protection, the next week the QB goes completely untouched.
The only thing consistent about the O-line is its inconsistency. Here's what the O-line's up-and-down performance has looked like over the last eight games, using the PFF cumulative grades as an indicator of overall performance
| WK 1 | WK 2 | WK 3 | WK 4 | WK 6 | WK 7 | WK 8 | WK 9 | |
| NYJ | SF | WAS | DET | NE | STL | PHI | SEA | |
| Overall Grade |
-1.4 | -12.4 | -6.0 | +9.2 | -14.9 | +4.9 | +1.2 | +4.9 |
If you look real hard, you might be able to divine a positive trend here, one that coincides both with Murray's breakout and with the return of Montrae Holland and Tony Fiammetta. Of course, you can only see that trend it if you really want to see it. Then again, if you really, really want to see something, why look at the numbers in the first place.
Either way, the O-line graded out well overall against the Seahawks, and both Tony Romo and DeMarco Murray were complimentary about the O-line's performance:
"The credit needs to go up front," said Romo, who threw for 279 yards and two touchdowns. "The o-line did a great job. They allowed me to step up front into the pocket, go through reads and progressions. If you get that kind of time it is going to be a good day. At my position, if you get time you can throw the ball down the field. If you don't, you're in for a longer day with that respect because you have to create through certain play action stuff."
DeMarco Murray added: "The offensive line did awesome. They opened up some holes that allowed me to get into the secondary."
Here's how the individual linemen graded out.
| Free | Holland | Costa | Kosier | Smith | |
| LT | LG | C | RG | RT | |
| Overall | +1.9 | +0.5 | -0.4 | +0.5 | +2.4 |
| Run Blocking |
+0.4 | +0.9 | -1.5 | +1.3 | 0.9 |
| Pass Protect |
+1.1 | +0.4 | +0.9 | -1.6 | +1.1 |
Tyron Smith seems to have shaken off his bad outing against the Eagles, and only gave up one pressure all day. Nice to also see that both tackles did well, a fact that was instrumental in notching the first sack-free game of the year for the Cowboys offense.
| Penalties |
One stat that you won't find on a lot of stat sheets are penalties, and they often tend to get overlooked in performance reviews. Even I don't include them in these reviews, yet some penalties can be just as much of a drive killer as a sack can be.
Tony Fiammetta's holding call negated a 22-yard gain by DeMarco Murray and put the Cowboys back to 1st-and-19. Alan Ball's defensive pass interference call cost the Cowboys 23 yards and resulted in a Seahawks field goal three plays later. A false start on third down by Montrae Holland put the Cowboys in 3rd-and-11 and effectively ended the Cowboys' first drive.
The PFF grading system takes a dim view of these penalties and grades them as the game-changers that they can be. In Montrae Holland's case, who had an above average day (+1.2) in run blocking (+0.9) and pass protection (+0.4), that penalty was graded as -0.7 which resulted in an average overall grade of 'only' +0.5, marking Holland down as having had an average day.
Here's how the other penalized players graded out:
| Player |
Penalty | Penalty Yards | Penalty Grade | Overall Grade |
| Holland | False start |
5 | -0.7 | +0.5 |
| Witten |
False start |
5 | -0.7 | -1.2 |
| Robinson |
PI | 10 | -0.9 | -1.3 |
| Fiammetta |
Holding | 9 (+22) | -0.9 | -1.6 |
| Ware |
Roughing the passer |
15 | -0.9 | +0.7 |
| Ball |
DPI | 23 | -0.8 | -1.8 |
| Holley |
Unnec. Roughness | 15 | -1.0 | -1.5 |
The penalties have a significant effect on the grades of all players here. Without the penalty, Holland and Ware would have received an above average grade (>1.0), while Witten, Robinson, Fiammetta, Holley and Ball would all have received a grade of between 1 and -1 that could be considered average.
| Skill Position Players |
Here are some of the high- and lowlights.
- DeMarco Murray (49 of 65 snaps, +1.8): What is perhaps the most astonishing about Murray's 139 rushing yards is that 89 of them came after the first contact with a defender. For the season, Murray is averaging 3.9 yards after contact per run, the third best value in the league. Felix Jones is no slouch there either, but ranks behind Murray at 16th with an average of 2.8 yards after contact. In PFFs Elusiveness Rating (which combines missed tackles forced, yards after contact and total attempts) Murray is ranked second in the league among all running backs.
- Tony Romo (65/65, +3.1) was the highest graded player on offense on Sunday and compiled a very good passer rating of 112.2 in the process. Romo's season stats (completion percentage, yards/attempt and passer rating) are all at the almost exact level of his career average. PFF also track what they call 'deep passes', passes that travel 20 yards or more down the field. Romo has attempted 30 such passes and completed 18, for a league-best 60% completion rate.
- Tony Fiammetta (34/65, -1.6), though not strictly a skill position player, gets included here anyway. Fiametta continues to fly under the radar in the PFF grades. We saw above that he was hit with -0.9 for the holding penalty, but he also incurred a -0.9 for his runblocking for reasons I can't really follow. Perhaps the graders at PFF saw something in the two failed goal line attempts that they didn't like, perhaps it was something else. Regardless, here is perhaps the most telling stat about Fiammetta, courtesy of Bob Sturm's tweet this morning, which I'll mark in green in lieu of a positive grade: "Cowboys under center runs with Fiammetta on field: 79 carries/628 yards (7.94 per). Without: 90 carries/243 yards (2.7 per)."
- Miles Austin (20/65, +1.1) only had two catches before leaving with a hamstring injury, but both catches were very good efforts and get him an above average grade. The other receivers didn't really stand out. Dez Bryant (43/65, -0.1), Laurent Robinson (40/65, -1.3) and Kevin Ogletree (15/65, 0.0) all graded out average (outside of the penalty for Robinson).
With Austin out for anywhere between two to four weeks, a lot of discussion has centered around whether Dez Bryant or Laurent Robinson will replace him in the lineup. The answer, when looking at the snap counts so far this season, may be: neither.
Miles Austin lined up as the slot receiver on 149 of his 291 snaps at wide receiver. When he was out in weeks two and three, Kevin Ogletree stepped in as the slot receiver. Here's a breakdown of total snaps and slot snaps so far this year:
| Receiver |
Total WR Snaps | Slot Snaps | in % |
| Bryant | 326 | 13 | 4% |
| Austin | 291 | 149 | 51% |
| Robinson |
201 | 11 | 5% |
| Ogletree |
173 | 64 | 37% |
| Holley |
34 | 3 | 9% |
| Defensive Line and OLB |
Sunday was not a great day for the defensive line. Here's how they graded out:
| STARTERS | BACKUPS | ||||||||
| Spencer | Coleman | Ratliff | Spears | Ware | Lissemore | Hatcher | Butler | Brent | |
| LOLB | LE | NT | RE | ROLB | LE | RE | LOLB | NT | |
| Snaps (66 total) |
64 | 26 | 52 | 25 | 57 | 12 | 24 | 16 | 15 |
| Rating |
+4.7 | -1.8 | -1.0 | -3.3 | +0.7 | +2.4 | +1.7 | +0.3 | +0.7 |
KD already used this quote in a post yesterday, but I'm going to use PFF's take on the D-line here anyway, because it's much more succinct than anything I would write:
The Cowboys will be glad for the depth that they are boasting at defensive end this season. Their starting pairing of Kenyon Coleman (-1.8) and Marcus Spears (-3.3) were poor this week and, in combination with the absence of Sean Lee and the poor play of his replacements, take a large portion of the blame for the Cowboys’ vulnerability to the Seahawks’ running game on Sunday.
Fortunately for Dallas they are getting excellent play from their backups, Sean Lissemore (+2.4) and Jason Hatcher (+1.7). Lissemore’s two defensive stops were more than the starting pairing of Coleman and Spears combined for. Spears in particular must be beginning to fear for his starting spot, or at least seeing his snap count eroded into, as he is being comfortably outperformed by Lissemore to this point of the season.
If you think the blocked field goal is what is driving Spencer's high grade, you are mistaken. PFF doesn't mix special teams grades with regular offensive or defensive grades. Spencer did get a +1.5 special teams grade for his blocked field goal, but that doesn't play into his overall defensive grade. He got the +4.7 the hard way, by collecting a sack, four pressures and four tackles, three of which were a defensive stop. On the other side of the line, DeMarcus Ware would also have warranted a positive overall grade if not for the one penalty against him.
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did the sack juice up his grade?
if it did, this is why I find PFF misleading sometimes because that was a garbage time sack
not taking anything away from Spencer, he had a good game, but I don’t think he was great either, he missed on a bunch of sacks and especially where Tavaris Jackson turned right into him and Spencer straight missed him
PFF is cool, they do an outstanding job but I think it’s kinda misleading sometimes too
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions
I think the important thing in the scenario you laid out is that he pressured the QB. If Jackson escapes from Spencer and makes a positive play, I think that negatively affects the grade. If he escapes but still can’t make a positive play, the pressure far outweighs the escape.
I think.
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good point
I don’t remember if it was a positive play, your right though, at least he was getting pressure this game consistently, the problem I have with Spencer is that he is inconsistent and he can get pressure but not finish on the play
on a day where Ware was getting shut down, I guess Spencer stepped up
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
noon tuesday and no real talk?
i was starting to get worried that you got kidnapped or something.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 8, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
lol
I am going to do it, I got Game Balls to work on first though
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm confused by all the number things
but I love the Christmas-y feel I get from the reds and greens in the table. So festive.
I am really hoping the line is trending upward as the season progresses. Quotes like those from Romo and Murray should remind everyone how fundamental line play is to success, despite the fixation the media has on the flash positions…
Don't believe everything you think.
Really enjoy these posts.
Would it be possible to keep a cumulative grade roster appended to these? Like, “Spencer’s 4,7 this week pushes him up to a +10.2 on the season, 5th among 3-4 OLBs”…but contracted to “Spencer OLB +4.7, +10.2 (5)”
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I’ll do something like that next week.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
PFF and NFL Replay are not within my college budget. On the plus side, my fan posts are counting as coursework for my writing class.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Get out.
Are you kidding me? Hey, great for you, but how come I couldn’t have had your professor instead of the tightass I had?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
I mentioned it during office hours
And he said I could definitely include it in my final portfolio. Amit Ray, Rochester Institute of Technology.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nice. My program didn't exist back then.
I’m a game design major.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 12:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Spencer had a great game, period.
He was the player of the game in my eyes.
Also, how was Church’s grade? He seemed to be in most nickel and dime packages.
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Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
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Church was +1.1 on 19 snaps, pushing his season total to +1.4 on 116 snaps
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Scandrick
Remember he had a blocked FG too, but the ball had just barely enough zip on it to still make it through the uprights, but scandrick did get a hand on it.
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by ProBowlFactory on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Spencer had a great game and Church -
had one of the best hits of the night after fighting off a lineman on a blitz. I like what I’ve seen from Church.
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The oline has taken a lot of flack this year for not being able to run the ball
and rightfully so. But its time to give them a little bit of credit here. They have done an excellent job for the past three games. Not saying they have fully arrived, but i will say that I think they are starting to come together at the right time.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Redskins cut Donte Stallworth today
Any interest at all to any of you guys? If nothing else he could stretch the field a bit.
Just curious.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
I wonder...
If he was the WKG for a team of WKGs, does that make him an RKG?
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll take "People who have killed people" for 500 Alex.
The answer: Donte Stallworth.
I somehow think JG would pass on that.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
LOL
yea, you’re right.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot
“who is Donte Stallworth”
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I went with the
Alex Trebek answer, not the contestant. Suppose I should’ve changed it.
But hey, I’ve got eleven toes, remember?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
That explains it
eleven toes explains everything.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Thats gonna be my new answer to everything.
“Ohhh- yeah, hey, I’d love to, but I have eleven toes, so no.”
“Didn’t get to that progress report, no sir – in all fairness, I do have eleven toes.”
This is gonna be sweet.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Built in money excuse
Its not like they can say anything negative about it. Then you could sue them for some type of harrassment or something.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
no thanks
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
To be honest
I didn’t realize they had Donte Stallworth.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I honestly didn't know Donte Stallworth was still in the league
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
OT: Replay of the Eagles game is starting right now on TV here. Boy, am I going to enjoy the next two hours.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions
Enjoy Maclin falling down.
That was my favorite part.
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"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
I had a lot of favorite parts
some 4th down PI calls on the eagles being one of them. Like I have said for a while. The eagles are either explosive or implosive, there is no in between. Bears didn’t allow plays down the field and they kept them contained in the run game. Do that and the Eagles will self destruct every time, especially if you can run like Matt Forte did last night.
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by ProBowlFactory on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
failed fake punt was my fave
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
by wtshaolin on Nov 8, 2011 12:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
failed punt was my favorite too!
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I celebrated all night on the twitter account
and ended the evening with:
“It’s been a pleasure spending this #Cowboys victory with you tonight folks, Dallas North 30 – Eagles 24.”
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by KD Drummond on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
any Eagles loss is a Cowboy victory and since our rejects started going to the Bears
that should count as 2 wins… almost like we are 6-4 now
by scraig on Nov 8, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I love this logic
rec’d
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Only one thing can feel better than this
Finally being able to run the ball effectively with a featured back, man that feels good. The only thing that would feel better is if we had an incapable QB and finally getting good QB play from that position. However, having a halfback that can consistently get 100+ yards per game and a great yard per carry average (and do it now against a strong run defense) just feels really good.
I think after the Bears @ Eagles game last night we have some formula of how to go about things the next time, and running the ball will be a large part of that.
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Not nit-picking, trying to understand the comment -
“…if we had an incapable QB”? Typo, or am I missing your point?
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I think he means
If we had Q under center again, and he miraculously became Tom Brady, it would be better than Murray becoming Faulk
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, that makes sense now - thanks.
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No problem. As most higher-ups say:
(albeit perhaps hypocritically) Communication is key.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mosta mine said...
… something more on the lines of…
What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.
Though, to be fair, I wasn’t paying much attention.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Oh yeah Luke -
You eat up all them eggies.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
As someone else mentioned, I'm concerned that Garrett tries to get Felix in
for too many runs, taking away from Murray’s opportunities. Murray make’s game-changing runs on a regular basis. Keep him in and let him develop his rhythm with Felix coming in for a breather, maybe change of pace, 3rd downs etc. Can’t bear to watch Felix heading up the middle into a brick wall for little or no gain. Murray has vision and hits holes that Felix doesn’t and if he hits the brick wall, he digs in and pushes it 3 yards down the field!
I guess by their exclusion the ILB grades were roadkill scale unpleasant?
No surprise there with Lee out. Hope he is able to come back this week, but only if he can play effectively. Otherwise let him rest and heal.
Love what Fiametta brings to this team. He may not be Moose but he’s a lot better than anyone since Moose played and the run game is certainly better as a result. Maybe the Boys should stick to Syracuse guys for FBs, it works for them.
No, not really
I simply can’t cover every single player and every single position group. So today I left out the secondary and ILBs. But here you go:
Bradie James: +0.6 (Season: – 6.2 )
Keith Brooking: – 1.1 (- 8.3)
Cruce Carter: – 1.1 (- -)
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Are you suggesting we crucify Carter?
Or that he is the crux of our defense’s future?
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thats what i see
OCC is so harsh
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
not at all. Those were Carter’s first snaps. At this point, we have to be happy he didn’t make any major mistakes. After all, this is the first organized football he’s played in a year.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Haha nice defense.
But “Cruce Carter” doesn’t see it that way.
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he was referring to the way you spelled his name
“Cruce” instead of Bruce.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
From the numbers
He did no worse then Brooking.
He should see more time.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Or he did no better than Brooking
and we should all cry.
Truth is I don’t think we can fairly judge him until December.
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Carter looked pretty good
I bet he was really nervous
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And inches from six points...
I wanted to see how he runs with the ball…would tell you where he’s at physically
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah that was a pick 6 almost
all good though, tells me he is aware and can make locks onto the football and jump routes
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
He blew it on one run play. Spears got worked and Carter didn’t get to the running lane. I thought he looked good in coverage though. Work in progress
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He looked good in pass coverage.
I thought he struggled against the run. I am willing to forgive that though as I think it will take him time to get used to coming downhill under control to tackle NFL athletes. That progression is what we saw Lee go through last year too.
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by Creasy729 on Nov 8, 2011 10:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i just realized that we played 3 full quaters on sunday
without 5 of our normal starters.
Felix, Miles, Jenkins, Lee, & McBriar
Guys did a nice job of stepping up and filling in. I like it. Just more evidence to me that Garrett is doing a great job of changing the culture around the ranch. 2010 Cowboys would have used this as an excuse.
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"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Raf did a Q&A with Wes Bunting
got my questions answered, one about who is a better fit for us, Upshaw or Ronnell Lewis, Wes said that was a tough question but likes Upshaw better for us and the other question was about what TE’s other than Fleener, he said Egnew from Missouri and he will be a possible 3rd rd pick
he also mention DeAngelo Peterson TE from LSU, but everything he said reminded me of Bennett, so I am not feeling that
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OCC, how much should we worry about Costa’s size and seeming lack of strength in dealing with the opposition’s NT? Could he be switched to guard in the future if we find anoyther center? He looked totally outmanned on running plays against the Seahawks.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Keep this in perspective. Costa is a UDFA, with only one season and no offseason of experience. And is already the starting center (by default, but still). Think about how long it took Doug Free to start. Drafted in 2007 in the fourth round, he didn’t start until the second half of the 2009 season.
I think the size thing is way overblown. Costa is listed as 6-3, 316. Nick Mangold is 6-4, 299, Jeff Saturday is 6-3, 295, Maurkice Pouncey is 6-4, 304.
While there is no question that Costa is struggling, he should be significantly improved next year. Whether that will be enough to secure a starting spot again is a different question, but as a backup center at minimum, the Cowboys could do a lot worse.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Costa
What’s his overall grade. He has been up and down, his consistency is what is wrong. One play he works Mebane the next he gets tossed into the backfield. Think he has done a heck of a job for us. is his overall grade with PFF positive? I feel I’ve seen more good than bad.
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Uh-oh
Costa is -10.0 for the season and ranks 34th out of 37 centers. He had two positively graded games, vs. Detroit and vs. Philly. He had a major stinker against the Patriots, where he got a -6.3. His second worst game was a – 2.4 against the Redskins, all other games were average or slightly below average.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
He's got to go
Didn’t like him last year when he gave up 2 sacks in 1.5 games from the guard position, don’t like him as a center.
We have to find a new center with the same urgency as we had to find a right tackle last off-season.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Too slow
I don’t think he is weak or small just think he is too slow.Not getting out of the snap and no time to get his legs under him thenjust getting pushed back.ot I am not sure if this is all technique or just should not be a center
by Oshawa Cowboy on Nov 8, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
isn't Gurode starting for the Ravens?
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I believe so
I wonder how he has graded out there
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Former linemen
Gurode: -14.7, ranked 71st out of 74 guards. For your reference, Bill Nagy is ranked 59th with a -9.0 grade.
Colombo: -16.1, ranked 67/74; Tyron Smith: +8.7, ranked 5/74
Leonard Davis just signed with the Lions
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
thanks
idk how Columbo is starting, he is awful
good luck with Leonard Davis, that could be a disaster for them
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Scrubbs
Just because someone “beat out” another guy doesn’t make them a good player. You have to remember especially on our O-line this team has been pathetic.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
They've struggled
but didn’t everyone expect that with their lack of experience and no off-season program? It’s probably too soon to dimiss them for the long-term.
Don't believe everything you think.
Pats waived Fat Albert.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
ocho is next
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Now that we've preemptively released Gurode, we should bring in Fat Albert
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I know that was Sarcasm
but truthfully? I wouldn’t mind giving him a look see…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 8, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
NO. NO. NO. NO.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Too late
Redskins re-signed him.
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...
…not really, but it could happen!
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by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's at 350
When he’s out on the field he’s not even moving his feet or pushing the line. He’s got nothing.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
pretty good at stuffing the run against us but that's about it
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Just use him as a blocking dummy, and save wear and tear on equipment.
by Aaron Burtram on Nov 8, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Its hard not to take up space when your that big
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I'm not being critical. I just know you like to be precise.
You forgot to change the second time you said it in the next sentence.
"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"
lol. A day later and I swear I’ve forgotten what I wrote.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 9, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Anthony Spencer is a strong-side 4-3 DE
I think he’s out of position as a 3-4 OLB. The guy should be a strong-side run-stuffing down-lineman.
If we ran a 4-3 I think he’d be a great player. Unfortunately we don’t and he doesn’t do what we need the guy opposite from Ware to do in our scheme.
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totally agree
I’ve always felt the same way
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by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
They key to success in the 3-4 is the play of the OLBs. Spencer is solid, but not in the most important area – pass rush. We’ve seen that over and over this season and in previous. When they triple or double Ware, the QB can get a pedicure waiting for the routes to open up.
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