Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Veterans Share Their Favorite Sports Memories

Grading Seahawks @ Cowboys: Performances Of Note

The win over the Seahawks, sloppy as it may have been, left Cowboys Nation with a warm, fuzzy afterglow. That feeling turned into something close to euphoria in the waning minutes of the Monday Night Football game yesterday. 

That of course makes it especially hard today to look back at Sunday's game with enough critical distance. Yet that's exactly what we'll try to do as we review the Pro Football Focus player grades to see how the individual efforts of the players graded out.

Additionally, we'll look at the up-and-down performance of the O-line, figure out how penalties impact overall player grades, worry a little about the state of the defensive line and marvel at DeMarco Murray's ability to break tackles.

Star-divide

Follow the link for a lengthy introduction to the PFF methodology. Better yet, read PFF's detailed FAQ, which should answer the vast majority of questions.

Offensive Line

The Cowboys' O-line is a never-ending source of bafflement for me. One week they can't block to save their lives, the next week they help DeMarco Murray rush for a franchise record. One week they look like a sieve in pass protection, the next week the QB goes completely untouched.

The only thing consistent about the O-line is its inconsistency. Here's what the O-line's up-and-down performance has looked like over the last eight games, using the PFF cumulative grades as an indicator of overall performance


WK 1 WK 2 WK 3 WK 4 WK 6 WK 7 WK 8 WK 9
  NYJ SF WAS DET NE STL PHI SEA
Overall Grade
-1.4 -12.4 -6.0 +9.2 -14.9 +4.9 +1.2 +4.9

If you look real hard, you might be able to divine a positive trend here, one that coincides both with Murray's breakout and with the return of Montrae Holland and Tony Fiammetta. Of course, you can only see that trend it if you really want to see it. Then again, if you really, really want to see something, why look at the numbers in the first place.

Either way, the O-line graded out well overall against the Seahawks, and both Tony Romo and DeMarco Murray were complimentary about the O-line's performance:

"The credit needs to go up front," said Romo, who threw for 279 yards and two touchdowns. "The o-line did a great job. They allowed me to step up front into the pocket, go through reads and progressions. If you get that kind of time it is going to be a good day. At my position, if you get time you can throw the ball down the field. If you don't, you're in for a longer day with that respect because you have to create through certain play action stuff."

DeMarco Murray added: "The offensive line did awesome. They opened up some holes that allowed me to get into the secondary."

Here's how the individual linemen graded out.

Free Holland Costa Kosier Smith
  LT LG C RG RT
Overall +1.9 +0.5 -0.4 +0.5 +2.4
Run Blocking
+0.4 +0.9 -1.5 +1.3 0.9
Pass Protect
+1.1 +0.4 +0.9 -1.6 +1.1

Tyron Smith seems to have shaken off his bad outing against the Eagles, and only gave up one pressure all day. Nice to also see that both tackles did well, a fact that was instrumental in notching the first sack-free game of the year for the Cowboys offense. 

Penalties

One stat that you won't find on a lot of stat sheets are penalties, and they often tend to get overlooked in performance reviews. Even I don't include them in these reviews, yet some penalties can be just as much of a drive killer as a sack can be.

Tony Fiammetta's holding call negated a 22-yard gain by DeMarco Murray and put the Cowboys back to 1st-and-19. Alan Ball's defensive pass interference call cost the Cowboys 23 yards and resulted in a Seahawks field goal three plays later. A false start on third down by Montrae Holland put the Cowboys in 3rd-and-11 and effectively ended the Cowboys' first drive.

The PFF grading system takes a dim view of these penalties and grades them as the game-changers that they can be. In Montrae Holland's case, who had an above average day (+1.2) in run blocking (+0.9) and pass protection (+0.4), that penalty was graded as -0.7 which resulted in an average overall grade of 'only' +0.5, marking Holland down as having had an average day.

Here's how the other penalized players graded out:

Player
Penalty Penalty Yards Penalty Grade Overall Grade
Holland False start
5 -0.7 +0.5
Witten
False start
5 -0.7 -1.2
Robinson
PI 10 -0.9 -1.3
Fiammetta
Holding 9 (+22) -0.9 -1.6
Ware
Roughing the passer
15 -0.9 +0.7
Ball
DPI 23 -0.8 -1.8
Holley
Unnec. Roughness 15 -1.0 -1.5

The penalties have a significant effect on the grades of all players here. Without the penalty, Holland and Ware would have received an above average grade (>1.0), while Witten, Robinson, Fiammetta, Holley and Ball would all have received a grade of between 1 and -1 that could be considered average.

Skill Position Players

Here are some of the high- and lowlights.

  • DeMarco Murray (49 of 65 snaps, +1.8): What is perhaps the most astonishing about Murray's 139 rushing yards is that 89 of them came after the first contact with a defender. For the season, Murray is averaging 3.9 yards after contact per run, the third best value in the league. Felix Jones is no slouch there either, but ranks behind Murray at 16th with an average of 2.8 yards after contact. In PFFs Elusiveness Rating (which combines missed tackles forced, yards after contact and total attempts) Murray is ranked second in the league among all running backs.
  • Tony Romo (65/65, +3.1) was the highest graded player on offense on Sunday and compiled a very good passer rating of 112.2 in the process. Romo's season stats (completion percentage, yards/attempt and passer rating) are all at the almost exact level of his career average. PFF also track what they call 'deep passes', passes that travel 20 yards or more down the field. Romo has attempted 30 such passes and completed 18, for a league-best 60% completion rate.
  • Tony Fiammetta (34/65, -1.6), though not strictly a skill position player, gets included here anyway. Fiametta continues to fly under the radar in the PFF grades. We saw above that he was hit with -0.9 for the holding penalty, but he also incurred a -0.9 for his runblocking for reasons I can't really follow. Perhaps the graders at PFF saw something in the two failed goal line attempts that they didn't like, perhaps it was something else. Regardless, here is perhaps the most telling stat about Fiammetta, courtesy of Bob Sturm's tweet this morning, which I'll mark in green in lieu of a positive grade: "Cowboys under center runs with Fiammetta on field: 79 carries/628 yards (7.94 per). Without: 90 carries/243 yards (2.7 per)."
  • Miles Austin (20/65, +1.1) only had two catches before leaving with a hamstring injury, but both catches were very good efforts and get him an above average grade. The other receivers didn't really stand out. Dez Bryant (43/65, -0.1), Laurent Robinson (40/65, -1.3) and Kevin Ogletree (15/65, 0.0) all graded out average (outside of the penalty for Robinson).

With Austin out for anywhere between two to four weeks, a lot of discussion has centered around whether Dez Bryant or Laurent Robinson will replace him in the lineup. The answer, when looking at the snap counts so far this season, may be: neither.

Miles Austin lined up as the slot receiver on 149 of his 291 snaps at wide receiver. When he was out in weeks two and three, Kevin Ogletree stepped in as the slot receiver. Here's a breakdown of total snaps and slot snaps so far this year:

Receiver
Total WR Snaps Slot Snaps in %
Bryant 326 13 4%
Austin 291 149 51%
Robinson
201 11 5%
Ogletree
173 64 37%
Holley
34 3 9%

 

Defensive Line and OLB

Sunday was not a great day for the defensive line. Here's how they graded out:


STARTERS BACKUPS

Spencer Coleman Ratliff Spears Ware Lissemore Hatcher Butler Brent
  LOLB LE NT RE ROLB LE RE LOLB NT
Snaps (66 total)
64 26 52 25 57 12 24 16 15
Rating
+4.7 -1.8 -1.0 -3.3 +0.7 +2.4 +1.7 +0.3 +0.7

KD already used this quote in a post yesterday, but I'm going to use PFF's take on the D-line here anyway, because it's much more succinct than anything I would write:

The Cowboys will be glad for the depth that they are boasting at defensive end this season. Their starting pairing of Kenyon Coleman (-1.8) and Marcus Spears (-3.3) were poor this week and, in combination with the absence of Sean Lee and the poor play of his replacements, take a large portion of the blame for the Cowboys’ vulnerability to the Seahawks’ running game on Sunday.

Fortunately for Dallas they are getting excellent play from their backups, Sean Lissemore (+2.4) and Jason Hatcher (+1.7). Lissemore’s two defensive stops were more than the starting pairing of Coleman and Spears combined for. Spears in particular must be beginning to fear for his starting spot, or at least seeing his snap count eroded into, as he is being comfortably outperformed by Lissemore to this point of the season.

If you think the blocked field goal is what is driving Spencer's high grade, you are mistaken. PFF doesn't mix special teams grades with regular offensive or defensive grades. Spencer did get a +1.5 special teams grade for his blocked field goal, but that doesn't play into his overall defensive grade. He got the +4.7 the hard way, by collecting a sack, four pressures and four tackles, three of which were a defensive stop. On the other side of the line, DeMarcus Ware would also have warranted a positive overall grade if not for the one penalty against him. 

Comment 105 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

did the sack juice up his grade?

if it did, this is why I find PFF misleading sometimes because that was a garbage time sack
not taking anything away from Spencer, he had a good game, but I don’t think he was great either, he missed on a bunch of sacks and especially where Tavaris Jackson turned right into him and Spencer straight missed him

PFF is cool, they do an outstanding job but I think it’s kinda misleading sometimes too

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

I think the important thing in the scenario you laid out is that he pressured the QB. If Jackson escapes from Spencer and makes a positive play, I think that negatively affects the grade. If he escapes but still can’t make a positive play, the pressure far outweighs the escape.

I think.

| Blogging The Boys | SBNation Dallas | Producer/CoHost Flood The Block Radio, TUE 7p RockTheFlow.com |

by KD Drummond on Nov 8, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

good point

I don’t remember if it was a positive play, your right though, at least he was getting pressure this game consistently, the problem I have with Spencer is that he is inconsistent and he can get pressure but not finish on the play

on a day where Ware was getting shut down, I guess Spencer stepped up

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

noon tuesday and no real talk?

i was starting to get worried that you got kidnapped or something.

For God and country - Geronimo

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 8, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

I am going to do it, I got Game Balls to work on first though

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm confused by all the number things

but I love the Christmas-y feel I get from the reds and greens in the table. So festive.

I am really hoping the line is trending upward as the season progresses. Quotes like those from Romo and Murray should remind everyone how fundamental line play is to success, despite the fixation the media has on the flash positions…

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

Yup.
. Quotes like those from Romo and Murray should remind everyone how fundamental line play is to success, despite the fixation the media has on the flash positions…

Money quotes, in fact.

by Fernie67 on Nov 8, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Really enjoy these posts.

Would it be possible to keep a cumulative grade roster appended to these? Like, “Spencer’s 4,7 this week pushes him up to a +10.2 on the season, 5th among 3-4 OLBs”…but contracted to “Spencer OLB +4.7, +10.2 (5)”

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I’ll do something like that next week.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

PFF and NFL Replay are not within my college budget. On the plus side, my fan posts are counting as coursework for my writing class.

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Get out.

Are you kidding me? Hey, great for you, but how come I couldn’t have had your professor instead of the tightass I had?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I mentioned it during office hours

And he said I could definitely include it in my final portfolio. Amit Ray, Rochester Institute of Technology.

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Spencer had a great game, period.

He was the player of the game in my eyes.

Also, how was Church’s grade? He seemed to be in most nickel and dime packages.

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I STILL believe in Tony Romo.- 10/2/11

by Rat-Pack on Nov 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

Church was +1.1 on 19 snaps, pushing his season total to +1.4 on 116 snaps

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget Scandrick

Remember he had a blocked FG too, but the ball had just barely enough zip on it to still make it through the uprights, but scandrick did get a hand on it.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Spencer had a great game and Church -

had one of the best hits of the night after fighting off a lineman on a blitz. I like what I’ve seen from Church.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Nov 8, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The oline has taken a lot of flack this year for not being able to run the ball

and rightfully so. But its time to give them a little bit of credit here. They have done an excellent job for the past three games. Not saying they have fully arrived, but i will say that I think they are starting to come together at the right time.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

Redskins cut Donte Stallworth today

Any interest at all to any of you guys? If nothing else he could stretch the field a bit.

Just curious.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

I wonder...

If he was the WKG for a team of WKGs, does that make him an RKG?

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll take "People who have killed people" for 500 Alex.

The answer: Donte Stallworth.

I somehow think JG would pass on that.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

yea, you’re right.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot

“who is Donte Stallworth”

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I went with the

Alex Trebek answer, not the contestant. Suppose I should’ve changed it.

But hey, I’ve got eleven toes, remember?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That explains it

eleven toes explains everything.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats gonna be my new answer to everything.

“Ohhh- yeah, hey, I’d love to, but I have eleven toes, so no.”

“Didn’t get to that progress report, no sir – in all fairness, I do have eleven toes.”

This is gonna be sweet.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Built in money excuse

Its not like they can say anything negative about it. Then you could sue them for some type of harrassment or something.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

no thanks

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

To be honest

I didn’t realize they had Donte Stallworth.

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT

If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.

by Final Frame on Nov 8, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Enjoy Maclin falling down.

That was my favorite part.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I had a lot of favorite parts

some 4th down PI calls on the eagles being one of them. Like I have said for a while. The eagles are either explosive or implosive, there is no in between. Bears didn’t allow plays down the field and they kept them contained in the run game. Do that and the Eagles will self destruct every time, especially if you can run like Matt Forte did last night.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

failed fake punt was my fave

Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.

by wtshaolin on Nov 8, 2011 12:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I celebrated all night on the twitter account

and ended the evening with:


“It’s been a pleasure spending this #Cowboys victory with you tonight folks, Dallas North 30 – Eagles 24.”

| Blogging The Boys | SBNation Dallas | Producer/CoHost Flood The Block Radio, TUE 7p RockTheFlow.com |

by KD Drummond on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I love this logic

rec’d

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Careful

This line of logic was actually patented by Wade “We won the bye-week playoff game” Phillips….

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 8, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Only one thing can feel better than this

Finally being able to run the ball effectively with a featured back, man that feels good. The only thing that would feel better is if we had an incapable QB and finally getting good QB play from that position. However, having a halfback that can consistently get 100+ yards per game and a great yard per carry average (and do it now against a strong run defense) just feels really good.

I think after the Bears @ Eagles game last night we have some formula of how to go about things the next time, and running the ball will be a large part of that.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Nov 8, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Not nit-picking, trying to understand the comment -

“…if we had an incapable QB”? Typo, or am I missing your point?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he means

If we had Q under center again, and he miraculously became Tom Brady, it would be better than Murray becoming Faulk

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ok, that makes sense now - thanks.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

No problem. As most higher-ups say:

(albeit perhaps hypocritically) Communication is key.

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Mosta mine said...

… something more on the lines of…


What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.

Though, to be fair, I wasn’t paying much attention.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 8, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah Luke -

You eat up all them eggies.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Nov 8, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

As someone else mentioned, I'm concerned that Garrett tries to get Felix in

for too many runs, taking away from Murray’s opportunities. Murray make’s game-changing runs on a regular basis. Keep him in and let him develop his rhythm with Felix coming in for a breather, maybe change of pace, 3rd downs etc. Can’t bear to watch Felix heading up the middle into a brick wall for little or no gain. Murray has vision and hits holes that Felix doesn’t and if he hits the brick wall, he digs in and pushes it 3 yards down the field!

by CowboysInFL on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

I guess by their exclusion the ILB grades were roadkill scale unpleasant?

No surprise there with Lee out. Hope he is able to come back this week, but only if he can play effectively. Otherwise let him rest and heal.

Love what Fiametta brings to this team. He may not be Moose but he’s a lot better than anyone since Moose played and the run game is certainly better as a result. Maybe the Boys should stick to Syracuse guys for FBs, it works for them.

by transmogrifier on Nov 8, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

No, not really

I simply can’t cover every single player and every single position group. So today I left out the secondary and ILBs. But here you go:

Bradie James: +0.6 (Season: – 6.2 )
Keith Brooking: – 1.1 (- 8.3)
Cruce Carter: – 1.1 (- -)

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you suggesting we crucify Carter?

Or that he is the crux of our defense’s future?

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

thats what i see

OCC is so harsh

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

not at all. Those were Carter’s first snaps. At this point, we have to be happy he didn’t make any major mistakes. After all, this is the first organized football he’s played in a year.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha nice defense.

But “Cruce Carter” doesn’t see it that way.

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol. I didn’t even see that :-)

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he was referring to the way you spelled his name

“Cruce” instead of Bruce.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

From the numbers

He did no worse then Brooking.

He should see more time.

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT

If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.

by Final Frame on Nov 8, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Or he did no better than Brooking

and we should all cry.

Truth is I don’t think we can fairly judge him until December.

Cowboys to the Superbowl

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Carter looked pretty good

I bet he was really nervous

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

And inches from six points...

I wanted to see how he runs with the ball…would tell you where he’s at physically

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah that was a pick 6 almost

all good though, tells me he is aware and can make locks onto the football and jump routes

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He blew it on one run play. Spears got worked and Carter didn’t get to the running lane. I thought he looked good in coverage though. Work in progress

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He looked good in pass coverage.

I thought he struggled against the run. I am willing to forgive that though as I think it will take him time to get used to coming downhill under control to tackle NFL athletes. That progression is what we saw Lee go through last year too.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Nov 8, 2011 10:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i just realized that we played 3 full quaters on sunday

without 5 of our normal starters.

Felix, Miles, Jenkins, Lee, & McBriar

Guys did a nice job of stepping up and filling in. I like it. Just more evidence to me that Garrett is doing a great job of changing the culture around the ranch. 2010 Cowboys would have used this as an excuse.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

Raf did a Q&A with Wes Bunting

got my questions answered, one about who is a better fit for us, Upshaw or Ronnell Lewis, Wes said that was a tough question but likes Upshaw better for us and the other question was about what TE’s other than Fleener, he said Egnew from Missouri and he will be a possible 3rd rd pick

he also mention DeAngelo Peterson TE from LSU, but everything he said reminded me of Bennett, so I am not feeling that

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

OL

OCC, how much should we worry about Costa’s size and seeming lack of strength in dealing with the opposition’s NT? Could he be switched to guard in the future if we find anoyther center? He looked totally outmanned on running plays against the Seahawks.

Wish you were here and comfortably numb.

by pfloyd1 on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

Keep this in perspective. Costa is a UDFA, with only one season and no offseason of experience. And is already the starting center (by default, but still). Think about how long it took Doug Free to start. Drafted in 2007 in the fourth round, he didn’t start until the second half of the 2009 season.

I think the size thing is way overblown. Costa is listed as 6-3, 316. Nick Mangold is 6-4, 299, Jeff Saturday is 6-3, 295, Maurkice Pouncey is 6-4, 304.

While there is no question that Costa is struggling, he should be significantly improved next year. Whether that will be enough to secure a starting spot again is a different question, but as a backup center at minimum, the Cowboys could do a lot worse.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Costa

What’s his overall grade. He has been up and down, his consistency is what is wrong. One play he works Mebane the next he gets tossed into the backfield. Think he has done a heck of a job for us. is his overall grade with PFF positive? I feel I’ve seen more good than bad.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh-oh

Costa is -10.0 for the season and ranks 34th out of 37 centers. He had two positively graded games, vs. Detroit and vs. Philly. He had a major stinker against the Patriots, where he got a -6.3. His second worst game was a – 2.4 against the Redskins, all other games were average or slightly below average.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

He's got to go

Didn’t like him last year when he gave up 2 sacks in 1.5 games from the guard position, don’t like him as a center.

We have to find a new center with the same urgency as we had to find a right tackle last off-season.

Cowboys to the Superbowl

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Too slow

I don’t think he is weak or small just think he is too slow.Not getting out of the snap and no time to get his legs under him thenjust getting pushed back.ot I am not sure if this is all technique or just should not be a center

by Oshawa Cowboy on Nov 8, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And actually he essentially did beat out

Gurode.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 8, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

isn't Gurode starting for the Ravens?

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

At guard, right?

I think so.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 8, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe so

I wonder how he has graded out there

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Former linemen

Gurode: -14.7, ranked 71st out of 74 guards. For your reference, Bill Nagy is ranked 59th with a -9.0 grade.
Colombo: -16.1, ranked 67/74; Tyron Smith: +8.7, ranked 5/74
Leonard Davis just signed with the Lions

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

idk how Columbo is starting, he is awful

good luck with Leonard Davis, that could be a disaster for them

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Scrubbs

Just because someone “beat out” another guy doesn’t make them a good player. You have to remember especially on our O-line this team has been pathetic.

Cowboys to the Superbowl

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

They've struggled

but didn’t everyone expect that with their lack of experience and no off-season program? It’s probably too soon to dimiss them for the long-term.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 9, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Hard to argue Dallas didn’t make the right moves on the line.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 9, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Pats waived Fat Albert.

Wish you were here and comfortably numb.

by pfloyd1 on Nov 8, 2011 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

ocho is next

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Nov 8, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that we've preemptively released Gurode, we should bring in Fat Albert

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I know that was Sarcasm

but truthfully? I wouldn’t mind giving him a look see…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Nov 8, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Too late

Redskins re-signed him.

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

...

…not really, but it could happen!

by CotySaxman on Nov 8, 2011 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Did you really need the font?

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Nov 8, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He's at 350

When he’s out on the field he’s not even moving his feet or pushing the line. He’s got nothing.

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT

If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.

by Final Frame on Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

pretty good at stuffing the run against us but that's about it

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Just use him as a blocking dummy, and save wear and tear on equipment.

by Aaron Burtram on Nov 8, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Its hard not to take up space when your that big

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT

If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.

by Final Frame on Nov 8, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't Spencer block a field goal, not a punt?

"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"

by fs65 on Nov 8, 2011 6:14 PM CST reply actions  

Correct. Thanks for catching that.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 9, 2011 2:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not being critical. I just know you like to be precise.

You forgot to change the second time you said it in the next sentence.

"I'm huunngray. I want some f**ken french tooast!"

by fs65 on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

lol. A day later and I swear I’ve forgotten what I wrote.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 9, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Anthony Spencer is a strong-side 4-3 DE

I think he’s out of position as a 3-4 OLB. The guy should be a strong-side run-stuffing down-lineman.

If we ran a 4-3 I think he’d be a great player. Unfortunately we don’t and he doesn’t do what we need the guy opposite from Ware to do in our scheme.

Cowboys to the Superbowl

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 8, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

totally agree

I’ve always felt the same way

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

Follow me at my blog
http://chiacrackscowboysblog.wordpress.com/

by Archie Barberio on Nov 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

They key to success in the 3-4 is the play of the OLBs. Spencer is solid, but not in the most important area – pass rush. We’ve seen that over and over this season and in previous. When they triple or double Ware, the QB can get a pedicure waiting for the routes to open up.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 9, 2011 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Dallas Cowboys blog for the SB Nation network. We talk Cowboys 24/7/365. Join the discussion but follow the community guidelines.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Demarco_murray_st_louis_rams_v_dallas_cowboys_baxpocve6rkl_small
Headed in the Right Direction...(Delusional or Reality)
Small
X's and O's... More Basics... Cover 3...
Small
Cowboys players under 25 are more valuable than Eagles and Giants
Small
A LETTER TO MIKE JENKINS...
Kegbearer_small
Battles In The Trenches: Cowboys Athletic D-Linemen

Recent FanPosts

09_bar-refaeli_08_small
Bedtime Stories Part 1: What KMAAN
222724_1014143404454_1551120017_30067740_5911_n_small
2012: Random Thoughts about Anything but a Quiet Offseason
Small
Beat the Pass Rush
Small
Romo and the Super Bowl Question
Small
How much does pass rush matter?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Editor

New_headshot_small Dave Halprin

Lead Writer

Brandon_small Brandon Worley

2012-05-23_14-43-22_987_small KD Drummond

Captain_small One.Cool.Customer

Contributing Writers

Emmittintro_small rabblerousr

Dallas_cowboys_nike_gloves_small Archie Barberio

Even_better_tom_small Tom Ryle

2011_07160126_small CotySaxman

Moderators

Ns_08bstockb-thumb-200x185_small scottmaui

Sean_lee_small NYHorn