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What Bucs Nation Is Saying About The Dallas Cowboys (And Things In General)

It's time for my weekly jaunt over to the SBN site for the Dallas Cowboys' upcoming opponent. This week I dropped in on Bucs Nation to see what the fans of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had to say.

It wasn't what you call a happy place. If you haven't noticed, the Buccaneers are a team in serious disarray, and they have had a bunch of blowout losses this season. I really don't have the heart to mock them in the way I would a team, say, called the Philadelphia Eagles. But I still thought you might be interested in seeing what it is like over there - and maybe it will make you realize, as I did, how good we really have it as fans of the Cowboys.

I started off with an article from earlier in the week titled Tampa Bay Buccaneers Leaving Us Speechless. Which of course meant that the author had a lot to say about the situation.

A season of optimism and hope for a playoff berth has turned into a race to see how many fans they can alienate in the last half of the season. The loss against Jacksonville was brutal. We were spotted 14 pointed and still couldn't hang with the Jags, who are at the bottom of the barrel. Their bottom of the league offense made it look like they were running 7 on 7 drills.

The article goes on to list all the suspects in the situation. One thing that jumped out at me is that there is a lot of suspicion that the owners are not spending the money they need to. The team is owned by Malcolm Glazer, and in a situation that may be familiar to us, there are three chairman listed for the team, Bryan Glazer, Edward Glazer, and Joel Glazer. The Cowboys also have a family approach to ownership/management, but I think they are in a much better position, especially when it comes to getting the wallet out to pay for talent. Right at the end of the article was a line that smacked me right between the eyes.

Gruden's $4-5MM comes off the books at the end of the year, freeing up that money to be used towards a new head coach and defensive coach.

Can you imagine Jerry and Stephen Jones letting something like that have any influence on their decision making about coaches?

Further scuttlebutt after the jump.

Star-divide

Another article that stood out in stark contrast to what I think is going on with Dallas is on about the decision to keep cornerback Aqib Talib. I'm going to blockquote a blockquote from that article to set it up.

This offseason, Morris became too much of the first example when he spoke up for Talib. After getting arrested for the gun incident, Tampa Bay management was ready to cut ties with Talib once and for all, according to a team source. General manager Mark Dominik didn't care about Talib's supreme talent, the distractions were no longer worth the drama, the source said. Talib had been in at least four altercations with teammates and coaches before the gun incident and was arrested for assaulting a taxi driver in 2009.

Because of the lockout, the Bucs couldn't follow through right away, giving Morris time to talk Dominik away from the proverbial ledge. In the process, Morris sent a message to his young team that talent trumps character.

There are a couple of things here. One is the dissension that seems to exist between the GM and the head coach. The other, of course, is that the Right Kind of Guy is apparently not an issue in Tampa Bay. (If you aren't familiar with the "gun incident", which happened in Garland, you can do some more reading starting here.) I make that observation with the hope (based upon some very tenuous hints) that part of the reason for Sam Hurd leaving the Cowboys was that the team had an idea of what was going on and got rid of him, along with anyone else that was involved. And I really, really hope I am not wrong about that.

It will be interesting to see how the team handles itself, especially in light of the fact that there reportedly was a plan in place to fire head coach Raheem Morris last Monday that fell through.

ESPN's John Clayton is reporting that Raheem Morris was to be fired this Monday, but the Bucs coaching staff wasn't big enough to function without him. That makes some sense. Not only would they have to replace Raheem Morris as head coach, they would need to find a defensive coordinator, and replacements for the two promoted coaches.

Will the team, which does seem to like the coach, put out an extra effort to try and help him? Or will the whole outfit just be in the "don't care" mode?

In more evidence of how disheartened the fan base is with the team, here are a couple of quotes from Cowboys - Buccaneers Preview: Predict the Game.

Tampa Bay does have a chance to win this game, but they will have to show up and play the best football they are capable of playing. Recent history suggests the Bucs will do the exact opposite, and play their worst football: that's what they've done the past two games.

Ultimately, though, I think the Bucs lose this game - and lose it in blowout fahsion. 31-17 seems like a reasonable score to me.

The comment thread is even more pessimistic.

Oh, just a note that Martellus Bennett's brother Michael Bennett plays for the Bucs at defensive tackle, and according to their take on the injury report, his questionable status is a problem for their defensive front.

There is a little pure football analysis, like the article on the three key matchups when Tampa Bay is on offense. And being the proud Cowboy fan that I am, I had to pull this for your enjoyment.

One of the players that just jumps off the screen when you watch the Dallas Cowboys is linebacker Sean Lee. While his fellow starters have been nothing more than average this year, Lee has been dominant. The second-year player is dynamic, speedy and hard-hitting - a true impact linebacker

That covers most of what I saw of interest. But as I mentioned at the beginning, gathering the information for this really made me feel glad to be a Cowboys fan. There are apparently worse owners in the league. There are teams whose coaching situation is far, far worse than our own. Dallas at least is still in the mix for the playoffs, and seems to be headed in the right direction.

And one other thing. Maybe it's just the Christmas season working on me, but I really have to say that I am so grateful to be writing here for BTB, because I think I get to put my stuff in front of the greatest audience in the blogosphere. In doing this series, I have seen good, bad, and in between sites, but none that I would ever consider as holding a candle to this place, and this community.

So have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone. Or Happy Holidays if you prefer. We are accepting of all at BTB, at least as long as you love the guys with the Star on their helmet. And one more thing:

GO COWBOYS!

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Keep an eye out for Da'Quan Bowers subbing in for Michael Bennett

We don’t want him blowing up Doug Free by not accounting for him properly since he’s “just a rookie”.

by mdlusk on Dec 17, 2011 12:59 AM CST reply actions  

Actually

IF the NFL Depth chart is correct Bowers will line up over Smith, and Clayborn will line up over Free…..

BTW Clayborn vs Free scares the beejeebus out of me…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 17, 2011 4:50 AM CST up reply actions  

that is correct

that is what Raf reported also

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!

by Archie Barberio on Dec 17, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Clayborn vs. Free

is a small reason to have hope as a Bucs fan. There aren’t many in this game.

Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 17, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

thankfully....I'm a fan of TEXAS teams.......

instead of a Florida teams fan …. baad year for that state.

feeling better now? Chia, hope all is under controll, how is your FF team doing?
so far ive been lucky with all the injuries to RB’s i still have 5 of 6 teams in playoffs, 2 sitting tops atm. but the pickings are slim as replacements lol.

leans back… kicks the feet up…..pulls the brim down……pops a top off a cold one…

cheers !

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Dec 17, 2011 1:53 AM CST reply actions  

dude I missed the playoffs

pissed off because I had a beast team and teams scored the most pts against ME
Romo
Rice
Murray
Blount
Spiller
Dez
Nicks
Antonio Brown
Maclin
Graham
Witten
49ers
Bailey
Tebow
my team was at least playoff worthy pissed me off

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!

by Archie Barberio on Dec 17, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

oh maaan ( yeah i came sooo close to missing out myself,

problem is i may not be able to capture it all because of no real RB now due to injuries.

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Dec 17, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas to you too Tom, and everybody else here at BTB

You’re right, this is simply one of the best communities around.

And this article made me feel a little better about what has been going on these past couple weeks. We’ve come a long way from last year, and we will continue to improve. Fear the Star.

by me gusta on Dec 17, 2011 6:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Jerry and Steven already have let $$$ influence decisions on coaches

The last 2 HC’s were forced to become their own own coordinators. Likely Wade was told, JG asked in such a way that declining not a possible outcome. Both about economics and both wrong choices.

I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices

by tdships on Dec 17, 2011 7:01 AM CST reply actions  

The Cowboys are pretty good about paying their coaches

Parcells got top 5 money, and Wade became DC of Houston because he could; Jerry still had to pay him after he was fired (not sure how that works of Wade signs elsewhere). JG was paid like a HC, even though he was OC. I would argue that $$$ has less to do with Jerry’s decisions on coaches than any other team; the Cowboys have the cash to spend on coaching and Jerry wants to win (even if he makes dumb decision; it’s still toward the same goal of winning).

"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson

"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF

by ScottB1985 on Dec 17, 2011 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 17, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

And there's the motivation

JJ has overpaid so the pendulum swings the other way and overcorrects.

So many of DAL issues have to do with reacting to the crisis du jour. That’s the mentality that has shaped our ‘management philosophy’ over the past 15 years and probably been the largest contributor to our being mired in the middle. JJ held onto aging, expensive stars in the 90’s and paid the price in the early ’00’s. He got rid of Gailey too soon, then held onto Campo too long. He brought in a ‘name’ but didn’t understand his relevance was on the wane. Got a sock puppet next because he didn’t want as strong a personality to compete with his own.

I am hopeful that JG – appears to have a longer-term, more fundamental approach that builds a strong foundation from which we can succeed. And by succeed, I mean compete for championships.

I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices

by tdships on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Our hope also hinges on Stephen

having learned from the mistakes of his father, which first and foremost means not overreacting to the “crisis du jour.” Hopefully both JG and Stephen can move this franchise in a more steady direction, one that looks years ahead rather than always looking to correct the mistakes of the past.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

They're still on the hook for Gruden?!?!

How long ago did he leave? I can’t remember but it seems like it’s been awhile. Hopefully the Bucs won’t care and let the Cowboys get an easy win.

"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson

"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF

by ScottB1985 on Dec 17, 2011 7:46 AM CST reply actions  

Gruden was fired at the end of the 2008 season

This is the last year that he was under contract. I’m in the camp of those who think that the biggest mistake the Bucs ever made was firing Dungy- he built the team that Gruden coasted to the Super Bowl with.

Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 17, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The Rise of the Europeans

Not many people know this, but Sander, the guy running the Buc’s site, is Dutch and lives in Holland. I am German and live in Germany. One of these days I’ll need to team up with him to plot how we can take over the NFL.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 17, 2011 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

there ya go hahahahaa

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Dec 17, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

How does that fit in with your schedule for total world domination?

Warm up?

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Dec 17, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd Feel More Sorry for the Bucs

Had they not won a Super Bowl since our last championship. That said, it’s a tough time to be a Bucs fan.

I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.

by Lord Humungus on Dec 17, 2011 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

I guess they don't have any real or true fans over there:
The comment thread is even more pessimistic.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 17, 2011 9:37 AM CST reply actions  

Not true at all

Feeling pessimistic about our team’s chances doesn’t mean that we’re not real or true fans. It simply means that we’ve watched our team drop seven straight games and have little reason to believe that things will change for us soon. I’m a die-hard Bucs fan and it kills me every time we drop a game. I cheer for them every week and hope that they can turn things around. But I’m not blind, nor do I lack the capacity for objective analysis. That doesn’t make me any less of a fan of my team.

Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 17, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you.

My response was pure sarcasm directed at a few BTB members who believe they have the market cornered on “real” Cowboy fandom.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 17, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Understood- no worries

Being a fan means loving your team no matter what, not turning a blind eye to its weaknesses. Agree with you strongly that claiming that the only “real fans” are the homers is ridiculous.

Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 17, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Our fans act the same way when we lead the division.

You guys are in a tough spot. My uncle’s a big Bucs fan, so I hope you guys do turn things around…just not if it involves winning this week.

by CotySaxman on Dec 17, 2011 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks dude

We’ll turn it around, I’m sure. But I don’t think it’ll be this season. I’m pretty certain that we’re skidding into the last three games of a ten-game losing streak. A hard pill to swallow, but hopefully it will set in motion the changes that need to be made.

Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 17, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

When change comes, it might be slower than you'd like.

Our start last year led to us cleaning house, more or less. Alot of us aren’t happy with the growing pains, but I feel it will only improve with time. If your next coach stats talking about finding the Right Kinds of Guys for the team, you’ll be going in the right direction.

Look for your guys to play hard to finish the season. A new coach could be viewing this as their job application.

by CotySaxman on Dec 17, 2011 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Looks like Talib turned out just as predicted prior to the draft

I’m glad he didn’t fall to the Cowboys that year.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 17, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

How the Bucs will play
Will the team, which does seem to like the coach, put out an extra effort to try and help him? Or will the whole outfit just be in the “don’t care” mode?

I think that the team will try to rally to protect their coach- he remains very popular with the players. I just don’t think it will be enough to overcome the shortcomings we’ve experienced all season long: dumb penalties and mental errors, bad offensive playcalling, and lack of fundamentals on defense.

Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 17, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for your insight. Really sorry to see you guys having such issues.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Dec 17, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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