I'm rooting for us to lose against the Giants this Sunday
by Lissyyyyy on Dec 27, 2011 11:53 PM CST
Email
PrintLet's face it. This secondary is not going to make it to the Superbowl. Especially when we are playing in the same conference with Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. Until we fix the secondary (i.e. cutting Newman and drafting a corner), hoping for playoff success is a fools errand. Having a CB corp that includes Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, and maybe a Janoris Jenkins would get us much closer to the SB than beating the Giants on Sunday.
Furthermore, the best corner available in Free Agency this coming off season is Cortland Finnegan. Not exactly the cream of the NFL crop. And we'll likely have to pay a pretty penny to get him anyhow, since legit starting NFL corners are highly sought after. So to find a suitable replacement for Newman one must look to the draft.
Of the CB's that made it to the pro-bowl this year only one was taken outside the first round: Tillman and he was a second rounder. Moreover, CB is one of the positions where you need to use a first round pick on, and the success rate of doing so is relatively high.
Of the 43 cornerbacks selected in Round One, our research shows 23 have worked out (become solid starters) for a hit rate of 53.5 percent. The 53.5 percent hit rate is one of the highest of any position and certainly the highest amongst the "premium positions." Over the past few years teams have struck gold with the likes of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Darrelle Revis, Leon Hall and Nnamdi Asomugha, amongst others. Since 2007, cornerbacks selected in the first round have better than an 81 percent hit rate (9 of 11).
http://jac.scout.com/2/1066104.html
And as your draft pick gets better in the first round the hit rate jumps dramatically from pick to pick, which is why there is such a huge jump on the trade value chart from pick 22 (780) to pick 14 (1100). And that is likely to be the difference between losing and winning next week as we are currently sitting on the 18th pick in the draft. Furthermore, it is a lot easier to trade up into the top ten when you have the 14th pick in the draft as opposed to the 22nd, which is what we may need to do to get an elite CB.
If you want the Cowboys to win another Superbowl then you better hope for a Cowboys loss Sunday night.
Another user-created commentary provided by a BTB reader.
265 comments
|
4 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I never root against my team
Especially when they have a chance to make it into the playoffs where anything can happen.
And I would rather have Carlos Rogers then Finnegan.
Rogers will be 31 next season
and his career has been up and down. This is the first year he has gone to the pro-bowl, which coincidentally was in a contract year.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Why would you ever root against your team? Better draft pick? Yeah that’s a marginal reason as well. I don’t think the Cowboys will win, but I’ll still be pulling for them regardless.
by westsidewolf1989 on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 AM CST reply actions
I will never understand the logic behind wanting to
bypass a seat at the table in the tournament, to move up a few slots and take a player who has never laced up his cleats on Sunday. And we are talking about the difference between picking 19th and like 13th, not 4th and 1st with a Peyton Manning sitting atop the draft.
A playoff win or two still does more for this team than a higher draft pick. They have to LEARN how to win in the playoffs. One day when they do have the players to make a legit run, I want some guys in that locker room who have been down that road together before.
If we were 0-15 heading into this week I would still be dying to get a win. To hell with draft position. You try like hell to win every game, and you do the best you can with whatever pick that leaves you.
Thank God the Cowboys front office doesnt share this defeatist attitude. “Hey guys, on paper we’re probably not good enough to win the whole thing, so lets just pack it in okay.”
Is it Sunday yet? Everybody has gone looney waiting for this game. Answer me this, if we win Sunday, will you root for us to lose our first playoff game so we can pick 21st instead of 24th?
Administrator of www.startaterriblerumoraboutpatrickpetersonsoheslidesto#9.com
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 28, 2011 2:43 AM CST reply actions 16 recs
This times infinity.
I love the draft as much as anyone, but when it comes down to it, if you can get in the playoffs and win, that supersedes any draft considerations.
What is especially foolish though is the idea that we can’t make a run if we get some breaks. We can clearly score at an impressive clip, and the Giants, who have a defense we question, gave the Packers a hell of a run despite turning the ball over. Why just throw in the towel when anything can happen in the playoffs? It’s not like Atlanta or Detroit are terrifying and while we probably couldn’t beat the Packers, to give up on that ever happening is pretty lame to say the least. And lastly, draft position isn’t everything if you can draft well. Just look at us last year. We won a meaningless game to draft three slots lower and we still ended up with a guy who came in right away and has played well. To give up a shot at the playoffs for drafting purposes isn’t rational at all in my opinion.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Dec 28, 2011 3:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry but if you pass up a prospect like Andrew Luck for 1 lousy win they you would have to be certifiably insane
fans think too much with their gut as oppose to their brain
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Look for a lot of subs to play for the Colts this weekend....
under the guise of “developing” prospects
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
but that is a completely different scenario.
We are talking about playoff chances here. After the 12th man knocking out the big bad Saints last year, anything can and does happen. Ill take my chances in the playoffs vs draft.
Again the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens do just fine.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Wouldn't it be nice to have a club like the Steelers, Patriots and Ravens.
Leadership from top to bottom.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
There's plenty of room on their bandwagons, jump on.
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Weak and expected. Carry on.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
and true............. move along
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Glad to see you agree.
Yawnnn !!
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
true Lissyyyyy
But, we’re not Indy and we’re not playing for draft position like they are. We aren’t in the Luck sweepstakes so comparing our situation with those is just flawed logic. In one sense I can totally see your point about getting a better draft position if you were 100% certain of the outcome of the rest of our games (i.e. not being able to advance past round 1 in the playoffs). The fact is that we’re not 100% certain about anything in the NFL so this too is flawed logic. If my crystal ball told me with 100% certainty that we would lose a 1st round game in the playoffs I might consider rooting for us to lose to improve our draft status but, without the confirmation, I’ll be my normal Romo Jersey-wearing, screaming at the TV, passionate self rooting for us to win…and win again…and win some more.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
After Janoris Jenkins there is a big drop off in talent at CB
And I doubt Jenkins makes it past the middle of the first round.
You want a legit replacement for Newman? Well I don’t see us getting one unless we lose on Sunday.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I thought there was
decent depth at the CB position for “good, not elite” CB’s. I’m not a draft guru like some so I will defer to your knowledge but it was my understanding that Jenkins is about the only “elite” guy this year but there are quite a few decent options for rounds 2 and 3. I guess the question then is, do these 2nd and 3rd rounders offer an upgrade over an aging Newman (and it has to be for next year, not “developing”).
It seems like you’re saying no to that question. Again I will defer to your draft knowledge on that. hmmm interesting predicament then. Need help in many spots; how to manage draft. Seems like 20 of 32 teams start thinking that way right about Sunday afternoon.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
depth is not the same as elite talent
There are three CBs in my mind that could start right away: Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, and Jenkins.
Then you have Denard who is good, but is not an elite level player. It is like the 2007 draft when you had Darrelle Revis selected in the middle of the first then you had Aaron Ross taken later in the first. Do you think it is worth losing a game to get Revis rather than Aaron Ross?
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Lissyyy has a great point here. Elite trumps good all day.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
That's good and all, but historically elite is the top ten
and the drop off between the top ten picks is much greater than the dropoff between say, #14 and #24. Just look at this great story by OCC. There is a drop off between picks 11-20, and 21+, but that drop off is much less than the drop off between the top ten and picks 11-20.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
He mentioned Jenkins specifically. I agree with him. Mo and Janoris are the 2 best.
Better than Dre and Dennard. Both of those guys should be good but the first two have elite skills.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well I think a lot of people would say Jenkins is a top ten talent
and if you have the 14th pick you could make a reasonable offer to someone to trade up to the top ten if need be.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
If we pick 22 Jerry won't trade up that far.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well I think there is a reason you don't see too much movement in the top 15 (usually the values are skewed)
but that isn’t really my point. Janoris may be a top ten talent, but I don’t think he is one of the top ten draftable guys. You have to discount his talent at least slightly with the concerns about his character. And considering other teams will be discounting him as well, I won’t be too concerned about him going off the board so early. Just look what nagging concerns did to Fairley last year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Well a lot of fans care about a guy's off field problems. I am not one of those. I don't care what players do away from the field
Short of murder or abusing women and children. If their hobby is hanging from a helicopter on a rope flying 100mph I don’t care. Just ball when u hit the field.
You point is valid however.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I tend to lean more towards talent than character as well
but I still think he will end up sliding regardless, if for no other reason than he hasn’t played big-time football in a year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Pacman was chosen 8th I think. I may be a couple off but you know what I mean.
It only takes one team to fall in love.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but I think the smoke around Janoris
is pretty intense, even compared to Pacman.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I think with our lockerroom we can absorb that kind of character
Titans didn’t have the same lockerroom we have.
And I think this was a good year for Jenkins. He shut down the best receivers in the SEC during his junior year, so going to a lesser conference his senior season he could have put it in a lower gear and played down to his competition. He didn’t. He absolutely dominated lesser competition and was a man among boys.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I really don't know if we can or not.
I am not fully opposed to drafting Jenkins but I will have to see how he goes through the draft process.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
didn't VT's offense expose J.Jenkins?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
yup the RKG imo
shouldn’t have to be a “choir” boy like a lot of fans seem fixated on, as long as ur there on sundays i don’t care what u do in ur personal time excluding murder, rape of course like mensa said.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 28, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Leaning towards character
Look Jenkins has been caught smoking dope twice. It doesn’t matter how good he is on the field if he can’t pass the NFL’s drug program.
RexP
A valid point and why he will slide regardless of how talented he is.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Oh that would be awesome haha
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
No doubt it would be awesome.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks
for all the great input on the draft options at CB. I’ll be interested to see where all the draftees shake out come April. I just pray that we hit on more than one guy in this draft.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
If we hit on just 1 player then we are sunk. Too many holes to fill.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
isnt he the pot head ?
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
yeqah i be more worried paying alot of money and having him banned for sub abuse ....
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Yeah, so what?
Thomas Jefferson, Queen Elizabeth, and countless other amazing figures in history smoked pot. do you really want to throw Jefferson under the bus for that?
SMH
wake up ...he gets caught loses playing time, games, season,eventually carreeer ,, wake up
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
yeah back then Willy.... it wasnt illegal ... damn !
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Dude as for me
I don’t care if he smokes dope… shoots up twice a week or snorts coke. I personally don’t care what he does… it’s his body. If he’s playing on my team and I’m paying his dumb a$$ 15 million dollars he better not be!!!!
RexP
So did Bill but he didn't inhale.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
what happens if he turns into another pacman?
we would be forced to cut him and recoup our losses. Character flaws always force someone to drop in the draft
by somebodyquiet on Dec 28, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Pacman got in trouble for things he did before he joined the team
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
So? He was a fully reformed saint of a guy just by being on the Cowboys?
Point isn’t the “when”, it’s simply a character issue. Doing wrong isn’t in getting caught, it’s in the doing. But then, I suppose you and I see differently on such things.
Cry "Havoc!"
No we were just unfortunate that that stuff came out while he was on our team
He is doing perfectly fine on the Bengals right now.
And it has been close to a year and a solid college football season since his last transgression.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
The Colts trying to get three instead of two wins is not at all
comparable to us trying to make the playoffs. And the talent dropoff from Luck to #2 is likely not even close to the drop off between #15 and #25.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Lissyyyy
Question: Do you think Andrew Luck will be available at 13??? And many things need to happen for us to be the 13th pick besides losing to the Giants… a couple other teams have to win and a couple others have to lose. We go 15th or 16th in my opinion. So a drop of 3 spots in not going to do a whole bunch for my draft position… not that I even advocate this at all.
RexP
BEST case scenario if we win Sunday is we go 21
I don’t know where you are getting this drop of 3 spots from.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
actually
the BEST case scenario if we were to win Sunday would end up with Dallas drafting 32nd…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 28, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AMEN! Way too much thinking from some of these guys
Play to win the game!
by Cowboy Curtis on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
this si what happens in the long
week before week 17 and the playoffs.
Fans think too much!
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
Carl Shelton= Living Life Right
Lissy, you should be ashamed of yourself for even speaking this way, this Team has a chance and you take that chance when it is given. You need to lay off the crack pipe and drink some of the koolaid. If The Boys pull this off they can beat ATL or DET, Hell if they are playing with determination, heart, and channelled aggression they can go and beat NO, SF( Again), and even The Packers. I am extremely disgusted with this FanPost, like Stephen A. Smith would say “It’s egregious, appalling, asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve!” GO COWBOYS!!!!
by Michael IceBone Sisemore on Dec 28, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
playoff exp has little to do with it anymore ......
one example 90 cowboys, they didnt have any playoff exp at the time and if not for a few odd bounces they would have went deeper into the playoffs that first year.
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Good Post
But you never giveup on your team…….I have seen some pretty odd things happen in sports and any given sunday any team can win a game……Like this season when the Rams spanked the Saints or the Chiefs shutdown the Packers……not the teams one expected to beat the Saints or Packers but it happened….See Saints and Seahawks from last year……who would have thought that we a possibility……..
rooting against your team is never cool. i dont care if we would get 2 first round picks to lose this game.
by DavidLaFleur on Dec 28, 2011 3:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
2 first round picks?
In addition to the one we’ll have?
Maybe I would consider donning an ELIte jersey for a day…
Ok, I considered it and it made me throw up in my mouth a lil bit.
Reconsidered…I’ll still root for the Boys.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
PLEASE TELL
ME YOU GUYS ACTUALLY THINK WE WILL DO ANYTHING IN THE PLAYOFFS ??
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
I'm thinking it works like this...
Lions beat the Pack (as the pack is resting week 17).
Cowboys beat the Giants
Cowboys beat the lions in the Avengence Bowl
Cowboys travel to SF and beat them (again)
Cowboys travel to Lambeau and beat the Pack in the NFC Championship game (a few lucky bounces and we end up with the ball LAST and outscore the Packers)
There you have it.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
by CDMac24 on Dec 28, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think more to the point is.....
Lissy doesn’t want to see a 45-6 type pasting in the playoffs. Lissy I understand what you are saying. But man bringing that up on this blog is like wanting first seat on the Titanic.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
your replying to our gov, judy system, att gen , lawyers, politicians...
got a space reserved for all of them mid atlantic sea board flat, no tombstones tho )
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
I was thinking the same thing.
But this team should have 11 wins at the least by now.
GO YANKEES, COWBOYS, AND KNICKS!
you could also say we should have had a few more losses
it cuts both ways
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Well as a Giants fan
I welcome the support… just recall that the Giants won in ’07 with a secondary consisting of Corey Webster (at that point a bust by most meters), “Grandpa” Sam Madison (slow), Aaron Ross (his one okay season, as part time reserve/starter CB as a rookie), Kevin Dockery (not a good player), Gilbril Wilson (an all right Safety, but nothing close to anything other than okay), and R.W. McQuarters (a man who tried to fumble away the NFC championship game).
I am just saying that you can overcome a mediocre position, or they could elevate their game. You just never know…
That Gmen team had the best pass rush in the nfl during the playoffs.
Dallas has 1 pass rusher.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
Giants had a top 5 defense that year
if we were in the same position I would be making this fan post.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Our's is top 10
Top 7 in sacks …. 7th against the run… 10th in scoring… we fail in our passing defense 23rd… don’t attribute that to pressure… but no coverage. Being the 10th ranked scoring defense and the 5th ranked is only .6 pts/game so be it what it is sometimes it isn’t that much of a difference between number 5 and number 10…
Offense though… Number 4 overall passer…. 8th in passing, 9th in total yards, 8th in rushing also… but our offensive line is ranked 17th overall.
RexP
Yep.
But the top two seeds in the NFC that season were a quickly fading cowboys team and the Farve-led packers who gifted the NFC championship game to the Giants.
This season NFC playoff field is a little more intimidating, to say the least.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Cowboys were not fading
having watched that set of play-off games a few times, some poor coaching and a very untimely drop doomed the Cowboys. Of all 4 play-off games, that is the one I still don’t get how it conspired against the Giants opponent to be a loss. Cowboys so outplayed the Giants it was insane.
Fair enough.
But after squeaking out a win against the hapless lions to go to 12-1, the cowboys then lost 2 of its next 3 games. That’s what I was referring to.
But you have to agree that this year’s NFC playoff contenders are a better class than 2007?
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
the boys didn't outplay the giants
brisulph my guys made too many mistakes, u had anthony henry missing that tackle on toomer, the defense letting eli drive down the field in under a min rite before the half, fasano & crayton dropping passes, the oline not opening holes in the 2nd half & getting stupid penalties, barber running out of fuel, romo taking sacks instead of throwing it away on a couple occasions.. I was crushed when they lost that day.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Why dont we point this article to any of the Cowboys players and see how they feel?
The whole point of playing is to make the playoffs and make a run at the superbowl. If we were 5-10 like the REXskins then yeah I might consider it but even still I would want my team to close out the year with a win.
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
DeMarcus is EveryWare Man
Twitter: @silva918
....../Make No Mikstake.....................
…………About it , Cowvboy’s are Going to Kick the Giants Azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You should be ashamed to call yourself a Cowboys fan
True fans never wish for their team to lose under any scenario unless your in a position like the Colts who are vying for a franchise qb with the #1 pick overall pick.
Draft positioning is so overrated it’s ridiculous. If you really believe our secondary will be dramatically improved by picking 5-10 spots higher you’re truly delusional.
In Romo we Trust
*Ahem* Tyron Smith
And the statistics says you are wrong.
If you really believe our secondary will be dramatically improved by picking 5-10 spots higher you’re truly delusional.
Jimmy Johnson would like to have a word with you. And Jimmy knows astronomically more about football than you’ll ever know.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
jimmy wouldnt puss out and throw games like your wanting
unless maybe you count when he traded all those players and had that terrible season. but taht was for aboutt 300 draft picks not to move up five spots at best. sickening.
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
i didnt..
you want to lose so we can move 5 spots. jimmy was able to build the most dominate franchise off his trades. and correct me if im wrong but were not getting an extra 20 picks for the next two years if we lose to the giants right?
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy has publicly admitted
that he knew he was sabotaging the season to garner all those picks in the HW trade. From a philosophical perspective, Lissyyyy is advocating Jimmy-esque traits. I still disagree with you though Lissyyyyy.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
oh i know this
and if someone told me we could have a franchise thatll win three SB’s in four years just for sabotaging one season id take it. but were talking about moving a couple spots when the player we want will probably stillbe there when we pick or someone just as good.
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
More like 8 spots which means the difference between an elite CB who can start this year
and not getting a CB who is ready to start this year – or possibly ever
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
You can't possibly project that.
There is good reason to think Janoris slides (maybe even out of the first). Just look at what happened to Dez, and there is much more smoke around Janoris than there ever was around Dez.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Difference is Janoris has a high motor
and he is a passionate player. The knock on Dez was that he was lazy.
Jerry invests a lot in trying to keep his players out of trouble, and we have a veteran locker room that can make sure he stays out of trouble. It seems to have worked with Dez.
Jenkins should be a top ten pick. He’ll be top 20, but he won’t last beyond that IMO.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I don't think that his motor will make up for the info out there
as far as his activities at Florida. I think it is also inaccurate to say that people thought Dez was lazy. I don’t remember that as an issue at all.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Where have you been?
Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant met the criticism that is periodically lobbed his way head-on this past Wednesday when he busted out a shirt that read "Lazy But Talented" in full view of reporters.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Sure but that criticism has been lobbed at him since he has played in Dallas.
I don’t ever remember that criticism before the draft, which is what we were talking about.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Ok here:
Intangibles: No major character concerns, but questions abound about his consistency, maturity and work ethic.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272524
Jenkins problem is opposite. He has off the field issues, but he is not considered lazy, in fact if anything he is too passionate.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Well I will give you that source, but I would still
submit that his maturity in the NCAA probe and how he handled his personal workout was the major concern. Just like how Jenkins’s good work ethic will be drowned with concerns about his character and maturity.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I hope he falls to us no matter where we pick.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Thing is if you have good work ethic you'll last in this league for a long time
Look at T.O. He is kind of a d-bag, but his work ethic is outstanding and he has played at a higher level consistently for longer than someone like Randy Moss who probably has even more talent than T.O.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
YUP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I don't wholly disagree
but I think teams are being more careful of character concerns than ever before and I imagine that will still overwhelm any positive comments on Jenkins’s work ethic.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Lissyyyyy i don't agree w/ this fanpost
but u make an outstanding point regarding work ethic
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 28, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
so how smart will he be..look.. if hes busted in NFL for drug use ,,, huh ?
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
"Ahem" Curvin Richards
Jimmy Johnson would like to have a word with you. And Jimmy knows astronomically more about football than you’ll ever know.
Cry "Havoc!"
Tyron Smith is the exact counter example to your point.
We won an actual meaningless game last year and still ended up with a blue-chipper because we did our due diligence and made the right selection. If we do the same this year, no matter where we pick we will improve our team.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Dude we lost so many games in the first half of the season that winning a hanful of games
didn’t matter one bit. We were so bad in fact that we were in the running for the first pick of the draft.
However when you are in the position we are in now losing one game can mean a lot.
There are 10 teams right now with an 8-7 or a 7-8 record. Among all those teams only the Titans have a weaker strength of schedule than we do. So we could feasibly have the 12th pick in the draft if we lose next week as oppose to the 21st or 22nd if we win.
Unfortunately for your argument, you forgot to do any of the math whatsoever.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Looking at last year as a case study,
it directly contradicts your point. We lost three draft slots to beat the Eagles in a meaningless game; we still got Tyron Smith. This year we may lose ten draft slots; but we can still get a good player and the benefit that comes from winning the division and having a chance to win a home playoff game against beatable teams in Atlanta and Detroit. I think the math, assuming you factor in the benefit of winning the division and the fact that we could win a playoff game, makes perfect sense to me. The fact that you lend no value to winning the division or getting a home game to advance to play for a spot in the NFCCG makes no sense whatsoever to me. That chance is what the whole season is about.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
No it doesn't
there are ten teams with a 7-8 or 8-7 record and we have the second weakest strength of schedule.
Even if we lost the last game last season we would have only moved up to the 6th spot from the 9th spot. And in all likelihood we would have still picked Tyron Smith at 6.
Especially given the fact that our strength of schedule last year was .512. This year it is a lot lower at .467. That means we are in a unique position to get up really high in the draft with a single loss.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I don't know if we would have picked Tyron. There was a good amount of stuff out there
about us loving Aldon Smith so we might have gone that direction. Regardless, the real point about Tyron, is you can sacrifice draft slots for wins and still come out ahead if you draft well. I think we are capable of drafting well and am confident we can improve our team sitting at pick #21 just like we could sitting at pick #15. Either way, let me put it this way. I want us to win on Sunday because I want to make the playoffs and go from there. However, if we lose, I won’t be heartbroken because of the draft position question. I just don’t understand how you can assign so little value to making the playoffs and possibly getting a chance to knock off the 49ers (who we have already beaten) or the Packers.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I don't think we're good enough for the super bowl
But I do think it would be great just to make the playoffs in Garretts first year
"Our guys are gonna be good, and we know it. So that ain't talkin'. That's just the (bleepin') way it is." - Rob Ryan
"There is a wide range of activities between a drunken rape festival and playing hide & seek in the woods." - Seanrude
The NFC East sucks this year
I don’t think making the playoffs in a year like this is such a huge accomplishment
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Well especially in light of the Cowboys' soft schedule.
But I still respectfully disagree with you about rooting against the cowboys.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Has our schedule been that light?
The Seahawks have seven wins and beat the Giants. The Cardinals have seven wins and beat the 49ers. The Dolphins were on a roll when we played them. I will spot you the Bills, Bucs, and Rams, but I really don’t think we have had THAT easy of a schedule this year. I think you would only feel that way if you still assumed Arizona and Seattle are just pure bottom feeders. And, if you really want to get into easy schedules, I think the other contenders in the NFC have had pretty easy schedules as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Yeah we have one of the worst Strength of schedules in the league
which is good for us because the team with the weakest SOS gets the highest pick in the event of a tie
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Well I have to admit that is surprising, but I would be interested to see how it compares
to the strength of schedules for the successful teams in the league.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I don't think its a secret. I'm sure you can find it easily.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
How many teams have double digit wins vs Dallas ? 2 or 3 ?
That’s a pretty soft schedule. The Skins have 5. We played them twice.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
10 years from now
or maybe even 1.5 years from now…OK 3 weeks from now no one is going to remember that the NFC East was disastrous in 2011. On the other hand, everyone will remember a team that scrapped its way to a playoff birth with a win & in game under the lights in NYC and that went on to the super bowl to be the second team in as many years to hoist the Lombardi that none of the pundits gave any chance to make playoff “noise”.
Why settle for mediocrity when you can achieve greatness, today?
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
LOL you have to be pretty delusional to think we could beat either the Packers or the Saints
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
oh yes
I’m delusional. That’s absolute fact. I am a product of the 70’s Cowboys for whom there was never any quit. For me during that time, I always knew that Roger would lead us back if he had any time left on the clock. Watching those teams seemingly pull off the most miraculous of comebacks with little time on the clock shaped my fandom to be one of absolute optimism. I’m assuming your fandom was shaped to be more pragmatic. I appreciate and understand your perspective but live mine.
The Chiefs were delusional to think they could beat the Packers.
The Rams (dude) were delusional to think that they could beat the Saints.
If all it takes to knock off the big dog is to be delusional, I’ll go mix up a cauldron of delusional Kool-Aid and take the first gulp!
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
by CDMac24 on Dec 28, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a product of reality
We are not nearly as good as those teams. Fact. Rodgers and Brees would be salivating to throw against this secondary. Fact.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
And Romo would be salivating to throw against those two defenses.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
Product of reality?
That’s a crock. When, last season, did you first make a “no chance of making to the SB” remark? Now, this season, when? Check your Facts.
Cry "Havoc!"
by tanstaafl on Dec 28, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we don't have to be better than them
over the course of the season (record). We only have to be better than them on the day we play them in the playoffs. I’d agree that, on paper, the Cowboys are not as good as the 2011 Packers or Saints. On paper, we weren’t as good as the Saints in 2009 either when we went down to the big easy and…
WON the game on the field.
Over the course of the season, the Saints proved to be the best team as they won the Superbowl. But, on Dec 19., 2009 we were 24-17 better. Had that been a playoff game, they go home, we move on.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
Amen Brother!!!
PREACH IT!!!!!!!
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
putting on robe now
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
Oh and as for the Chiefs and Rams
teams don’t play with the same intensity during regular season games as they do for playoff games. That is the whole idea behind a trap game. You have a very good team resting on the laurels while you have a bad team with a chip on their shoulders wanting to prove something.
That kind of stuff doesn’t happen in the playoffs.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Jaques Reeves getting pwned - Jan 13, 2008
plus our o-line got manhandled by their D-line
It had nothing to do with intensity. It had to do with the fact that our players weren’t good enough. Just like right now our players aren’t good enough.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Riiight
Sept 9, 2007 Giants@Cowboys 45-35 Cowboys win
Nov 11, 2007 Cowboys@Giants 31-20 Cowboys win
Jan 13, 2008 Giants (10-6) @ Cowboys (13-3) 21-17 Giants win
“… with a chip on their shoulders wanting to prove something.
That kind of stuff doesn’t happen in the playoffs.”
Cry "Havoc!"
You do realize Giants beat the Pats in the SB that year?
LOL!!!
I think anyone who is a fan of the NFL knows that when we played the Giants (early and mid season) they were on the verge of self-destruction then at the end of the season they went on a hot streak.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Check your facts
First 8 games they went 6-2, last 8 games 4-4 (with W-L-W-L to end the regular season), then won out. We played weeks 1 and 10, first up during each 8 game period. That 2-2 “hot streak” to end their regular season sure looks suspect. Or is it just that your definition of “hot streak” is as bizarre as as your idea of “meaningless” and “no chance of making it to the SB”.
So, about this getting in to the playoffs game we have on Sunday…
Cry "Havoc!"
again
this just adds credence to the “any given Sunday” mantra.
If you had $1 million to bet on the Pats/Giants Superbowl after the 2007 season, for whom would you have cast your lot?
On paper, the Pats were the victor.
On the field, the Giants won the Lombardi.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
You can take that...
… “It had to do with the fact that our players weren’t good enough. Just like right now our players aren’t good enough.” excuse and apply it to any loss, any time. Just another excuse made by those who tend to make excuses.
Cry "Havoc!"
How is saying our players are not good enough an excuse?
Saying you are not good enough is kind of the opposite of an excuse. That is the definition of owning up to your failings.
I think before you post things you need to use the ‘PREVIEW’ button to review your writing. Because honestly it doesn’t make any sense.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Oh, boo-hoo, "we lost because our players weren't good enough"
G’wan with that whiny crybaby excuse-making. btw, Jimmy still wants a word with you about that loser-mentality, Curvin Lisy. “And Jimmy knows astronomically more about football than you’ll ever know.”
It’s been fun, L. Thanks for the chuckles.
Cry "Havoc!"
Making the playoffs is always good i'm sorry.
Ive never heard such an ignorant statement. Oh my god we wont make it far if we get in the playoffs. Who F’n cares! The fact is simple; WE make the playoffs. I ve never heard a negative narrative on why making the playoffs would be bad. Did the Giants say that in 07 when they made it. No. They won the dam super bowl!
by Cowboy Curtis on Dec 28, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
there was a Super Bowl here?
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
Picking 13 gives you more options than picking 22.
Being in the playoffs is cool and all but what if the Lions come in and destroy us at our house ? How much fun would that be ? I see Lissyyyy"s point.
The other side is what if Dallas gets hot makes a substantial run in the playoff’s ?
No gurantee either way.
Lissyyyy I give you the BIGGEST BALLS award this season for this post. Hail !
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
LOL COWBOY'S ..,....Will in fact
…………Beat The Giants ……………………AND the Lions
by James Simmons on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
You're just as blind as he is.
Win no matter what. I’m not gonna be a loser and not cheer for my own team. It takes balls to cheer for a team going against all odds this weekend.
by Cowboy Curtis on Dec 28, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Considering how we played the Lions the first time, I think there is little reason
to expect we would get absolutely pasted.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Or losing on a last second fg would be just as devastating....
At this point I am tired of other teams coming in our house and beating us. There is no home field advantage in Dallas anymore. Jerry made it too plush of a stadium imo.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Sure it would be devastating, but that adrenaline that would kick in as that FG is in the air
is exactly why you should play for the playoffs. You would be caring, and that is because winning in the playoffs, or even just trying to win, is what the game is all about.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Then we should have tried last week.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Not even a little bit.
Last week’s game is not at all like this game in the sense it made no difference whatsoever on our playoff chances (or at least once the Giants won). That is why we dialed it down a bit once that was clear.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Hugely disagree. You play to win the game. Period.
That’s why you play. Now everyone is on Lissyyyy’s case after posting all the “it didn’t matter” mantra. Can’t have it both ways. Doesn’t work like that.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say you play to win the game period.
I said play the game to win because it has playoff implications. If we were out of the running for the playoffs, I actually would be much more in line with what Lissssy is saying.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Nah , you should play to win every game.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
It depends on all the circumstances.
I guess I wouldn’t make a blanket statement. I would instead decide how I feel based off how much I like the coach, implications for draft, etc. This is all of course assuming we are out of the playoffs.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
So why even play at all during the regular season.....
Go into Suck for Luck mode and get the best possible pick if we are to use that rationale……..
Picking 13 gives you more options than picking 22.
I never said go into the suck for Luck mode.
Lissy’s point is pick 13 gives you more options than pick 22.
You are trying to find a point in there I guess.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 29, 2011 7:07 AM CST up reply actions
In fact you should chrome those suckers.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 10:10 AM CST reply actions
maybe he should
get them dipped in 18K gold. Gold plated Lissyyyyy balls.
I agree that Lissyyyyy’s view is deserving of some recognition for fortitude.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
yeah when i klicked on the headline.......
i was like… oh boy here we go loil…………
but yeah hell why not plate those balls loil
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
You have to go for a win every week
or you will anger the football gods.
Plus I have too many friends who are Giants fans and I’m sick of their smack talk.
I need this win Lissyyyyyyy!!
Asinine.
Certainly not the “real”, “rational”, “brain” smarts the author claims.
Let’s face it. Gutless. Need some balance there by the look of it.
Now, I’ll say this, those that used the word hope in reference to calling for losses to bring about a rise in the Cowboys’ 2011 draft slotting were mistaken. I understood then and still understand that position. In the light of cold analysis or the heat of the moment, sometimes the immediate gain seems to outweigh the subtler nuances of this game. Even sports. Even Life. Nonetheless, the choice can go either way, better or worse than imagined in making it. Than hoped in making it. That’s where the hope comes in, in making the choice, not scheming in some human-conscious, ultimately vain attempt to be in a “better” position to make a decision. Decision’s, thus choices, are made in a moment, in a circumstance and relative to the context of their circumstance. Plans are made to perhaps improve those circumstances. So I’ll concede the attempted planning, despite seeing erroneous consideration therein. But what’s that axiom concerning plans? And men? And mice? Who’s to say what choice’d be made, what outcome would come of it, advantageously or not? Plain and simple fact of the matter is “who knows”. You don’t. And I most certainly don’t. Either way, for either side. I hope you can understand why I’ll dispute to my dying day the use of the word hope in such a context. It ain’t. It’s Desire. Or Want. But it ain’t Hope.
There’s no Hope in surrendering to loss, in conceding defeat, in “hoping” to lose.
Cry "Havoc!"
Sometimes tis better word kept soft then to yell it from the Sire's loft!
Here have you seen a mighty king
His child, I wis, to incest bring;
A better prince and benign lord,
That will prove awful both in deed and word.
Be quiet then as men should be,
Till he hath pass’d necessity.
I’ll show you those in troubles reign,
Losing a mite, a mountain gain.
William Shakespere
RexP
I am upset with the defense for sucking...
But I still want the cowboys to win. We’ve beat the siants before with this defense, I think we can score with the Packers. We beat the lions a$$ for 2 1/2 quarters. I’m not scared of the Falcons. We can beat the Giants if we outscore them. Anything can happen.
We can get a good player in the mid to late 20s in the draft.
by beautifultyrant on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM CST reply actions
We can also get a good player in the 7th round (see Ratliff)
problem with that logic is the likelihood drops dramatically of getting a good player later in the first round as oppose to picking in the top half. That is why Jimmy Johnson made the point value so much lower.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
what a deplorably terrible fan you are.
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 10:50 AM CST reply actions
you want to lose
not some meaningless game against some afc team that doesnt amount to a hill of beans. no your wanting to lose to the NY Giants in a nfc east title game. i cant stand that line of thinking its gutless even for just a fan. fans are supposed to root every game for the players because theyre not giving up how can we?
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Sorry, I meant to +1 Lissy's reply, not kitten's meaness
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
So you want to give up a playoff berth to draft 8 spots higher?
That’s ridiculous. This year’s draft is deep at CB, although I think we need a pass rusher first, but there will be similar corners at 21 as there will be at 13. And what if none of the 7 teams you fall behind by winning takes a CB? Then you get the same guy, and gave up a chance to reach the goal that every single player and team strives for. Tha makes no sense.
And just because you don’t think we have a chance (and I can’t say that I strongly disagree), but there have been plenty of recent teams that have backed into the playoffs and made Superbowl runs. 2005 Steelers, 07 Giants, 08 Cardinals, hell, if the Giants punt a ball out of bounds last year, the Packers stay home. You have to give yourself as many chances as possible, and to want to give one up to draft a college kid who has never played a down in the NFL is insane.
by sportsfanatic21 on Dec 28, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions
Spotrsfanatic
..Tell EM like it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IS……………….
by James Simmons on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
horrible post
i could careless about draft position..The pats and pitt been picking in the lower part of the first rd for year and they do just fine..Same with the strength of schedule agrument. Things change from season to season.
RE: the strengh of schedule
that was not brought up by lissyyyy its just another one of those dumb arguments to lose games for a possible easier schedule the following year…
by scandrick32 on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Tom Brady has something to do with that and for the past few years their defense has consistently sucked
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
If this game had no playoff implications I would agree
but since not only do we make the playoffs by winning but also kick a rival out of the playoffs, I’d much rather win as opposed to moving up a few spots in the draft order. I do love the draft as much as anybody, but making the playoffs (and potentially winning a playoff game) would make up for all of the missed opportunities of this season.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions
Ballsy, lissyyyyy
You definately lit a fire here, and I think it makes for good reading and discussion.
But I couldn’t disagree with you more. Now, I’m not going to question your loyalty or fanhood like others have, because I know you’re a true fan. But give up a chance to play in the tournament? Hell no! Anything can happen in the playoffs, and this could very well be the year that we get our 6th trophy. The likelihood of that is small, but when is it not? That’s why they play the games. Are you willing to just automatically slot the Packers in as the champs this year, after seeing them get beat by the Chefs and nearly so by the Giants (who we had a chance to beat in the first game)? I highly doubt it. Chill, dude….I guarantee we’ll get you that corner. Janoris will probably fall to us anyway….lots of teams don’t like to gamble on character like we do.
Wins are the best medicine...the ultimate cure-all.
However, 14% of the fans who voted agree with you....amazing.
Wins are the best medicine...the ultimate cure-all.
GO COWBOYS!
Your logic makes sense but I would sacrifice a few spots in our 1st rd pick to have the opportunity to make noise in the playoff. Besides the nfl ends for me when the cowboys season ends and I am not ready for football to go away yet. Any given sunday! GO COWBOYS GO!
Dez and Austin and Robinson will light up the scoreboard!!
Sigh, more stupidy from a non fan.
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Oh so I'm not even a fan now?
Remember all the idiots who were complaining about us trying to win games last year even though we had no chance of making it to the SB? Well I’m effin glad we lost all those meaningless games so we could have gotten an elite tackle like Tyron Smith.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
And yet we won week 17..
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Dude are you for real? You think we can have a top ten pick by winning games?
Yes you are right. Teams in the top ten do have a handful of wins. In fact almost every team in the top ten has one win. But you still need a sufficient amount of losses to get a good pick. Your logic is very bizarre.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Well I’m effin glad we lost all those meaningless games
The most meaningless game of them all last year was our week 17 game and yet we played to win it. So I guess you weren’t that glad.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
So you want to lose to win?
That’s your “logic”?
Okeee…
Remember “all the idiots” calling games “meaningless”, saying things like “no chance of making it to the SB”, prior to the outcome of the Dec 12, 2010 game vs Philly? Care to revisit your comments in that timefame?
If I were you I’d be cautious about throwing around terms like “idiot”. Though, to be fair, ignorance of fact is stupidity, not idiocy.
So help me out here, please. If a game is “meaningless” it doesn’t matter, win or lose, relative to draft slotting or anything else. Otherwise, your definition of “meaningless” is very bizarre. Hypocritical, even.
About those supposedly “meaningless” games, weeks 15-17 2010 season, versus WSH (W), ARZ (L) and PHI (W). That 1 loss to the Cards affected the draft slotting how? Changed the selections actually made by any and all related teams how? In this fantasy football world you’re talking about, that is.
Cry "Havoc!"
by tanstaafl on Dec 28, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Win the damn games, to hell with the draft.
Jerry will probably miss anyway.
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Like with Tyron Smith, Dez, Jenkins, etc.
Look every fan base thinks their team sucks at drafting. It is rare you hit on any more than half your picks in a given year. Picks after the second round are complete crap shoots.
But when it comes to first round picks you can usually be assured the higher you pick the more likely you are to get a legitimate player.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
most of there talent has come in rds 2-4 anyway
screw the higher pick..
That's just BS
The odds in the first round are around 20% across the board … and the reason most of them get a chance to prove themselves is because first rounders get paid millions and the team needs to justify the money. Check how many first rounders get better contracts next time around 32 teams had first round picks this year… How many of them panned out. 6-10 … and that will drop over the length of their contract.
RexP
Right, a real fan would never root for their team to lose and miss the playoffs.
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Exactly!
What’s the point of drafting guys higher in the first round? Might it be that said player would help position your team to win the division, and thus give itself a chance to make a playoff run, and possibly win a Superbowl? The answer is yes. Yet, we are discussing not wanting to win a game that decides the division championship, and gives the team a spot in the playoffs to possibly make a run at the Superbowl, so we can draft a guy that MAYBE will help achieve a goal that is sitting right in front of us now. This is the most illogical debate I’ve ever heard.
“Hey, let’s tank this division championship game and chance at a Superbowl”
“Why?”
“So we can draft a better player and possibly have a chance at a Superbowl”
“Huh???”
by sportsfanatic21 on Dec 28, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
rec.........agreed, dumbest thing I've ever heard.
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Thanks
I believe this is my first rec. Much appreciation my friend!
by sportsfanatic21 on Dec 28, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
i bet against them but...
That’s a bet I want to lose
by Mac_Eleven on Dec 28, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I have no clue how u can bet against your team
I like to gamble on fottball as well but i would never bet against the boys..I just cannot do it…
Hey man, I am not going to judge you as a fan
And I agree that this post is dripping with juevo-sweat.
But really, the playoffs are a whole new season. What if the opposing QB gets mono between now and the playoffs? What if their head coach is struck by a Ford Pinto? What if the Cowboys actually take it up to 11?
I know everyone poops on intangibles, but it would make a huge difference to this team to pick up a winner’s mentality. For all intents and purposes, the playoffs start now!
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Dec 28, 2011 1:54 PM CST reply actions
I have to say this..........
all the post last week were about ….oh the game didn’t matter. No reason to play Romo and Felix. We needed to concentrate on the Giants. “It was like watching a pre season game” And on and on it went. So why was it ok to blow off last week and this week is different if “YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME” ? I think a lot of you are guilty of being somewhat hypocritical here. You can’t have it both ways.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
the implications of each game are completely different though
I was against just throwing the game and pulling all starters out but I was fine with keeping Romo out with his hand Felix with his hammy lee with his. that was fine. but to say were hypocrites for having different feelings for this week and last week is crazy.
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 3:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
BS. Total bs.You play to win.
Rationalizing losing like last week is Laughable. In fact embarrassing. It was all about let’s get revenge. Let’s beat the Eagles and go on the playoffs on a roll. Then the Iggles come in and march right down the field and slap Dallas in the mouth and Romo gets hurt and it all changed. More excuses than the grand canyon can hold. Pathetic. Any fan who said it was ol to lose last week because we didn’t need it doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Friggin pathetic.
Total hypocrisy.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
ok not ol
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Oh and let's not forget the "we didn't have anything to play for" crap.
Ya I guess beating the Eagles is not reason enough to win.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
ok you irrational jackass
I said I wanted to win that I wanted to play our players and I was agaisnt tanking the game. where do you get all the crap you spew out of your mouth you ignorant ass? I didn’t say it was ok to lose once we started losing it was still embarassing but I’m not about to risk our only hope of doing anything in the,postseason to win a meaningless game (as far as playoffs go). you have to balance it like the BPA vs need in the draft. its ok to do both but I’m sure your unable to comprehend that
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 4:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
LMAO. Typical mindless spewing tripe,
the implications of each game are completely different though
False. Win column. Loss cloumn. Even moreso, Pride.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
your an idiot if you can't see a difference
between win and your in or a game that matters not other then pride. and I know you can see the difference so idk why your arguing it.
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 5:22 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The difference was the Iggles came into Dallas and b slapped them
……and then fans rationalized Dallas had nothing to play for. In essence the fans quit because they knew they were going to lose. Now this week everyone is all back on the we gotta win waggon. LMAO.Either you’re in to win or you suck for not having the pride to win.
There is no rationalization. W or L. What column do you want the game to reside ? It ain’t hard. And Jerry going on the sideline to tell Garrett he needs to think about the Gmen proves to me he is even more of a coward. He cheated the fans who paid to be there.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 28, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
they did and it wasn't enjoyable
but the eagles will be sitting at home first round of the playoffs while we still have the chance to make noise. I really really wish we had beaten them both times but we didn’t. but that doesn’t matter now we still have a chance abs that’s all we can ask for. I bet the eagles would trade us places. but to your point and I whole heartedly agree with you it was humiliating to get swept. however we can still have the last laugh..
by kitten mittens on Dec 28, 2011 6:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
yeah if i had gone to the eagles game i would have....
He cheated the fans who paid to be there.
id have been a lil pissed myself……
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
yeah the COWBOYZ of old.....
had a healthy respect for winning at home, not sur
e what is about this current team .
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
I agree with you on this mensa
I think JG started the game with the “you play to win the game” mentality; wanting and needing? to avange the prior loss to the Eagles. That perspective changed when Romo got hurt AND the Giants won.
It would have been interesting to see if Romo and the rest of the starters that were rested last week would have played the entire game had Romo not gotten hurt. My money is on the idea that JG would have salivated at the opportunity to win that game. After Romo gets hurt, his strategy changed. He did not retreat; he just advanced in a different direction.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
coorection
avenge
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
ah hell....I just can't
spell today.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
CD I will back Garrett on this one.
I think when Romo went out with the hand injury I think Garrett still wanted to win. Jerry going to the sideline is what swayed him. Who is he to argue. Jerry owns the team. Reason 847509138475198751987487409817410897 I bash Jerry.
As a gm u can’t go on the sideline and do that..
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
mensa, methinks this:
I’m not as fond of the idea that Jerry is a saboteur as you are. I agree that he tends to eat his own shoe leather from time to time and he has "meddled" in past situations but in this specific case I think there was some forethought in the decision. I have no proof of this but in my mind JG, JJ, SJ, et al. come to some determination about how they would handle the scenarios. #1 Giants lose = we play to win the division. #2 Giants win = we play to win the game; caveat = unless we have injuries that warrant resting guys. (Maybe I’m giving them too much credit for the contingency but I would have thought of it so I like to think that those running my team would have as well).
Actually, it makes more sense (based on Jerry coming to the sideline) that they hadn’t specifically discussed the injury contingency. Jerry coming to the sideline is the equivalent of this:
Jerry: We talked about winning this game no matter the outcome of the Giants game, right?
JG: Yes, we’re going to avenge our earlier beat down to these wretched birds of prey.
Jerry: Ummmm, well Romo is hurt and the Giants won.
JG: uhh huh. Yeah, ok let’s think about this. Can McGee win it for us?
Jerry and JG in stereo: Yeah let’s rest some guys and see what we can do in NY next week.
As I’ve stated, maybe I’m being naïve about Jerry’s decision making or your assertion that he is the supreme leader incapable of listening to and heeding dissenting opinions; this is very possible.
My take is that they hadn’t specifically planned for the, "Romo gets hurt after the 1st series" circumstance. Their conversation on the sideline then becomes that planning reaction.
I see it as more of Jerry coming to the sideline to ask JG what he’s going to do rather than Jerry coming to the sideline to tell JG what he should is going to do.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
I wasnt ok with blowing last week off
As the iggles have been doing, they exposed us even more last week especially the interior of our OLINE. Hopefully we will learn from this loss, although there’s not a lot to take from it. I gurantee you the coaches will take something though.
Cowboys 38 Giants 21 BAM!!!!!
this brings back my idea of trading for JOE HADEN..he would fill a massive hole..sure he would cost a lot,but in the NFL its a million times harder to find a shutdown corner than it is to find a big play receiver…just my 2 cents
OMG
How do you plan to get Joe Haden it’s his 2nd year on a 6 year deal. Not going to happen don’t know if he’s good enough to be considered a shut down corner either way.
RexP
Flawed Strategy
Lissyyy, your thought to get a better draft pick seems sound. However, you have forgotten, at least temporarily, who our GM is. That man is in charge of the draft pick, thereby making your strategy flawed. I would prefer to take our chances in the playoffs this year.
Wasn't Dez taken in the 20s?
Which is right where we’ll be if we win this week, and do nothing in the playoffs.
by sportsfanatic21 on Dec 28, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
He fell because of the Deion issue and people thought he was lazy
but he was always considered a top ten talent. You can’t go into every draft expecting a top ten talent to fall into your lap. That is naive and will get you into trouble.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
What is naive and will get you in trouble
is giving up chances to make runs in the playoffs.
I guarantee you that no one associated with any NFL organization would agree with you about not wanting to make the playoffs to secure a higher first round pick. The point of even taking the field every year for every organization is to make the playoffs and give yourself a chance at a championship. We could draft the 7 best players that ever played a snap in the NFL next year, and there would be ZERO guarantee that we would even get to week 17 with a chance to win the division. That’s the opportunity we have now, and we need to take full advantage.
by sportsfanatic21 on Dec 28, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty good picks
So why don’t we use those two pretty good draft picks to win a playoff game THIS year? Win and IN.
This is silly.
Who the hell knows for a fact we can’t beat anyone in the NFC playoff field? ANYTHING can happen. We didnt have a chance in hell against New Orleans 2 years ago, and we went in there and beat their ass. Green Bay’s defense sucks, a game between us and them could be a shootout that comes down to a few turnovers and who says it cant be us to come away with a few takeaways?
Its one thing to be 1-14 and protect the #1 pick, but to throw away a playoff berth to move up from #21 to #13 is totally insane. And its not like there is a wealth of talent at our need positions anyway. There is not one surething shutdown corner, or surething protection altering passrusher.
What if we start creating turnovers? What if Romo catches on fire? Who knows what might happen. I want this team to win, EVERY time it takes the field.
Administrator of www.startaterriblerumoraboutpatrickpetersonsoheslidesto#9.com
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 28, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions
JMHO,
I would NEVER root for the Cowboys to lose, especialy in this scenario. I don’t care about the draft now, I care about us hanging another NFC East Banner on the wall.
Fixed
I care about us hanging anotherNFC EastLombardi Banner on the wall.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
Doesn't Matter anyway.
The giants will win because they have better players in general with more heart. They also have pride and hate the Cowboys; The Cowboys just play for a pay check and thats it.
The Cowboys just play for a pay check and thats it.
sadly i get that feeling from a few players on this team ughh i don’t know who’s gonna win on sun but i’m not ready for the boys season to end so just find a way to WIN.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
Newman should be first guy on the list
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
DeMarcus is EveryWare Man
Twitter: @silva918
So the real question is..
If we win, will you be silent til April?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Nope
He’ll want to lose the first playoff game to draft 21st instead of 24th since we have no chance to win the Superbowl
by sportsfanatic21 on Dec 28, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Hello?!?!
A chance to host a home playoff game and knock off the rival Giants, and you want to lose for a player that will probably drop into the 20’s in the first round? So what, you miss on a corner and you.
Go and tell Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, Jason Witten, etc. that you want to waste a year of their prime to improve for a few spots in a crapshoot called the NFL draft. Take away the opportunity for young guys like Tyron Smith, Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, and your boy Lissemore to experience a playoff game or a division title. So what if they get blown out by the Saints or Packers, at least they can taste the playoffs and know that they have to work that much harder in the offseason to get to that level.
Your argument about losing last year against Philly can go the other way too. What if they are at 6 and they trade back like everyone thought they were and miss out on Tyron, settling for Solder instead. Or they would also have a higher second round pick, so maybe they have enough points go up and get Mark Ingram instead of taking Murray in the third.
If they lose because the Giants are a better team I can live with that, but I can’t live with rooting against making the playoffs for the draft.
I so want to win.
But this is awesome to be like I don’t care if we lose type mentality as a fan.
GO YANKEES, COWBOYS, AND KNICKS!
Not sure why, but me and you see eye to eye on a bunch of things Lisssy.
GO YANKEES, COWBOYS, AND KNICKS!
SMH @ this contingent
embarrassing.
| Blogging The Boys | SBNation Dallas | Producer/CoHost Flood The Block Radio, TUE 7p RockTheFlow.com |
Follow @KDP10For10 Follow@BloggingTheBoys
How so, KD?
You lost me, though that’s easily done. Are you shaking your head over…
…the mob going all pitchforky and torchy over one of our own nixing the playoff shot our one-game season’s come down to? That embarasses you?
C’mon, that can’t be a surprise. Title alone told me fun and frolic lay just beyond that mouse-click.
Cry "Havoc!"
is that a scene from Val Helsing?
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
DeMarcus is EveryWare Man
Twitter: @silva918
tan, how ya been my man? Happy Holidays to ya
yeah, I’m a ‘too each their own’ kind of guy, but it’s disheartening how many people are saying I’d rather lose this game and have no shot at the playoffs, so we can get a higher draft pick in hopes of…
drum roll please…
making the playoffs next year.
Umm, wat?
If we lose, silver lining is that we’ll get better draft position. These people are saying the silver lining angle is making the playoffs, a year after starting 1-7. Makes no fan sense to me.
| Blogging The Boys | SBNation Dallas | Producer/CoHost Flood The Block Radio, TUE 7p RockTheFlow.com |
Follow @KDP10For10 Follow@BloggingTheBoys
Best of the Season (both of 'em) and New year to you and yours, KD
And to our Cowboys.
Yeah, “to each their own” I’ll side with you on. Though, without that other side, how’d we know we were right, right? Then again, that brings up the whole look in the mirror conundrum of right/left, for better or worse, right or wrong.
So long as ya can look in it this way…
Like a cowboy.
Cry "Havoc!"
A win Sunday is not a Pyrrhic Victory
The Cowboys are hardly sacrificing their future with a win this Sunday. For one thing, the draft is uncertain, even among top prospects. For another, getting into the playoffs is the goal each year, and that goal is in site. I think that if you get a better draft spot, you make one position better, and only one, because rounds 2-7 depend more on who is drafting than where you are drafting. However, getting into the playoffs makes every player on the team better due to the experience and confidence gained.
That said, I appreciate you providing a silver lining in case something terrible happens and they lose. I do understand your point, although I don’t agree.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2011 8:06 AM CST reply actions
I can't believe this wanting to lose.
It’s the NFCE championship. It gives you a shot. No givens. Just a chance at the goal. What you play all season for. Give it up for a few draft spots. That nuts. Will the boys win this week IDK. I do want them to leave it all on the field because they have that chance.
I can't root against the Cows
But I can temper my expectations and see good in a loss if this team is going nowhere and we’re vying for a good draft spot.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
Why don't we just try to lose every game so we always get good draft position?
We probably can’t beat GB or New Orleans but stranger things have happened.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
will Denver win the super bowl
no but early in 2011 i wanted to lose for A Luck because my thinking was if u get a good young superstar QB its much easier to build a champ and i was tired of 6-8 win seasons but due to the WEAK AFC West and tebow at the time while the jury is still out on him but if u get in u have a change for something magical if Denver can win 6 why c ant Dallas win 5 in a row
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Blogging The Boys
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SBNation.com Recent Stories
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- How Kyle Orton almost cost the Colts Andrew Luck
- Detroit Lions DT Nick Fairley arrested again; now has more NFL arrests than NFL sacks
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
