Jerry Jones is a Bad General Manager
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM CST
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They say it takes 3 years to grade a draft. This year marks year #3 for the class of 2009. As of this week we now have conclusive data on the draft classes of 2006-2009 to grade out each player and see how successful they were. How successful were these drafts? As successful as the Titanic.
The rule-of-thumb is that you need 2-3 starters every draft class. That means the Cowboys should have gotten 8-12 starters in that time period. Instead we got 3. When everyone else in the NFL is getting 10 new play-makers and you're getting 2 how can you expect to be a competitive team?
Why are the Saints Superbowl champions and playoff favorites while the Cowboys sit at home? Many people think it's because Sean Payton is a better coach than Garret or that Drew Brees is a better QB that Romo. These are not the comparisons I think should be made. Instead, let's compare the starters the Saints drafted in 2006-2009 to the starters the Cowboys drafted
Cowboys:
- Mike Jenkins - WR (pro-bowl)
- Doug Free - OT
- Anthony Spencer - OLB
Saints:
- Roman Harper - S (pro-bowl)
- Maldom Jenkins - S
- Tracy Porter - CB
- Jahri Evans - G (pro-bowl)
- Jermon Bushrod - OT (pro-bowl)
- Carl Nicks - OT (pro-bowl)
- Marques Colson - WR
- Robert Meachem - WR
- Sedrick Ellis - DT
That is 9 starters vs. the Cowboys 3. The saints drafted two safeties, one of whom is a pro-bowler. The Cowboys drafted none and try to fill the hole with other teams' cast-offs. The Saints added two starting WRs to create an elite ariel attack while the Cowboys ruined their salary cap on Roy Williams. The Saints added 3 pro-bowl O-linemen to give Brees all the time he needs to skewer offenses while the Cowboys were drafting Robert Brewster and James Marteen.
How can we expect Romo and Garrett to carry us to the playoffs when our competition is drafting great new players at a rate of 3:1 to the Cowboys? Are we supposed to be surprised and blame Rob Ryan as our secondary looks slow against the Eagles when the Saints secondary added 3 young starters while the Cowboys have 3 starters over 29?
So you can rant and rave about Wade or Garrett or Rob Ryan or Romo or Ware only having 18 sacks instead of 50. But when you look at the difference between the teams that are winning and the Cowboys who are constantly 9-7 the difference is the draft. The Cowboys are not talented enough to play with the big boys. The Cowboys have been game enough to make Sunday interesting but ultimately lose to the more talented team.
With a better General Manager how different would the Cowboys look if it had two young safeties? How different would the Cowboys look if they had 3 pro-bowl O-linemen keeping Romo's pocket clean and his hand/clavicle uninjured?
The lack of talent on this team is because of 4 years of bad drafting at the helm of a bad general manager. If you want to point the finger for the Cowboys' lack of success it only points to one fact - Jerry Jones is a bad General Manager.
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We all know 09 was a failure
You know whats amazing though, the Patriots have worse success in the draft. Regardless of that These past two draft have been amazing and maybe its a new page in the legacy of the Cowboys, The Trinity page?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
It's more than 2009, it's 4 years of failure
2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009 were all failures.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
A but this year we already have 2 top players in Tyron and Demarco
Bruce Carter is a ? but I am happy with his GM duties so far this draft
2009 was a failure because 2008 was a failure. That's where it all started.
2008 is the year JJ ran the draft on his own after Parcel’s left.
I wanted to see if Jerry had learned anything from Parcel’s. That draft showed me he didn’t learn a damn thing. Since that draft I am not the Cowboys fan I used to be. All I do is watch a few videos online. My picks should not consistently be better than a guy actually running a team.
If you have three picks in the first two rounds you need to hit. At least one. JJ struck out.
JJ compounded his bad draft of 2008 by giving away the 2009 draft for Roy Williams. If he would have got a WR in the 2008 draft he would have never needed to go and get Roy Williams.
He could have drafted Desean or Manningham. I wanted Phillips and Desean in the first with Ray Rice in the second. I would have never traded Fasano to the Dolphins so I would have never ever thought of Bennett.
Even after JJ made the picks in the 1st and 2nd he still could have got Manningham in the 3rd. What does he do. Drop out of the position and the Giants take him on the next pick.
I’m not saying Manningham is the next great thing. but he would have been better than giving up an entire draft for Roy.
Today everybody on this site sees JJ as terrible. On the day of that draft there may have only been 3 of us who saw it for what it was on this site. Mostly everyone was celebrating.
Even the national press gave the Cowboys an “A” grade for that draft.
I turned it off in disgust after he dropped out of the thrid round.
Whoever watched the tape of Ray Rice and Felix Jones. And thought Felix was the better player should be fired. Immediately.
Who drafts a RB in the first round that say’s he’s OK with sharing the ball. Hun.
Rule #1 of the draft. You only draft a RB in the first round if he’s a franchise back. Felix was the only one who everyone knew wasn’t. While 4 backs that were picked after him are franchise backs.
JJ is not a bad GM. He’s a terrible GM.
by Sharksbreath on Jan 1, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Felix was drafted where he was
because Jerry and him went to Arkansas. That dumbass GM made a pick based on alumni loyalty.
Well that is definitely not the reason.
If Jerry had any alumni loyalty, we would have picked more than one Razorback these last 20 years or so. Felix is the only Arkansas player Jerry has ever selected.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Jerry doesn't just pull these players out of a hat
His scouts are the ones that do the work, and give him all the information he needs, I highly doubt he is just ignoring everyone in the organization and picking who he wants. If anything blame the scouts, but if you’re going to do that, then give them credit for all the late round/undrafted success they’ve had.
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
Yep, Jerry certainly gets some blame but the Scouts need to come under some scrutiny here too.
Most reports tell us that Jerry really does listen to the scouts (and has been pretty strongly since Parcells) yet the inconsistencies remain. It’s not like Jerry’s just picking names off his personal Draft Board and ignoring his Scouting Departments Draft Board (at least I hope that’s not what’s happening!! :)
It does seem to be a more three headed approach in the draft the last several years with the GM, the Scouts and the Head Coach all having a good amount of input. Honestly my last hope for the Jerry era is Jason Garrett. So far I really like his RKG template and if he can continue to stress this to the GM and Scouts it may have a positive effect on our future drafting.
But if that is true?
Wouldn’t you fire your scouts who gave you the information that the draft picks were based on? And I don’t believe that the Cowboys scouts had Felix so high over the other RB taken after him.
Well let's be clear about something. We took Felix as the #2 RB in the draft.
Going into the draft the consensus on most sites was that Felix was the #3 RB in the draft. The only guy most sites had ahead of him was Rashad Mendenhall. Even the Titans, who eventually took Chris Johnson, said that Felix would have been their pick had he dropped to them. Looking at it this way, this idea that Jerry took Felix over a whole bunch of more obvious picks is revisionist history.
This doesn’t necessarily justify Jerry’s pick (in hindsight, there was no reason to grab a RB first when you just paid MBIII so much money), but let’s not pretend the pick was completely out of left field.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Jerry is the owner....
by virtue of that fact – he can call himself GM or any other title that he wants
the fact that there is no other franchise in the nfl that would even consider interviewing him for a GM position (let alone hire him) tells you that we really dont have a GM….it’s Jerry plus a committee throwing darts
Tony Romo - Mr. November
I'm not trying to absolve Jerry of all of his sins but,
shouldn’t some of the blame also go on the coaches as well? From everything I hear, Jerry does take their input into consideration. We got Felix Jones because Garrett really wanted him. And Dallas skipped on Randy Moss because the coach didn’t want him.
And sometimes, Jerry hits a home run. He overruled Parcells when he drafted Ware. Then, to appease his coach, he traded back into the first round to get Spears (who Parcells wanted in the first place). Imagine this team if Jerry had listen to Parcells from the beginning and we never had Ware. Yes, I know this example pre-dates 2006, but the point is still the same: its not just Jerry making the calls, and, when criticizing the drafts, we need to look at the GM, the scouts, and the coaches because they all share the blame.
yes but who hired the scouts, coaches
who made himself the GM? When u get stuck in mediocrity or below that level the blame starts @ the top.. Jerry’s formula hasn’t worked for many yrs now & i don’t expect it to work now although if he really did pull the trigger on ware then that was a great GREAT pick jerry.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
Yeah, I'll give you Jerry hgas hired some bad coaches and, sure, blame starts at the top.
But what about success? These last two drafts look pretty good. Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Tyron Smith, and Murray all being starters with Carter, Nagy, Arkin, Lissemore, and Brent potentially coming and making an impact (oh, and Harris. Don’t know about his WR but he may be an answer to our kick return). Also, how about putting together a team that won three Super Bowls? That was done with him at the top.
got no problems w/ dez, lee, TRON, or murray
but hold the anointing oil on carter, nagy, arkin, lissemore, brent etc i need to see way more production from those guys before calling them hits.. Sure jerry gets credit for 3 sb’s & he should the best move he did for this franchise was hire jimmy.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 30, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Just to make sure I'm being clear,
I’m not saying that carter, nagy, arkin, lissemore, brent etc are great. I’m saying there is a large group of players and chances are 1 or 2 step up and are unable to contribute within the next season or two. There’s none of them will, but I bet some will. If only 1 of them becomes a starter, then that’s 5 starters from 2 drafts, which is right at target (the above post states we should get 2-3 starters from every draft).
I also agree that hiring Jimmy was a great move on Jerry's part
but I believe his firing Landry was his worst move. To be more specific, how he fired Landry. I know so many people who used to be die hard Cowboys fans but lost all love after that. I also know many people who still love the Cowboys, but never forgave Jerry for how he handled the firing of Landry.
You can thank Bum Bright for part of that fiasco as well
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
Bright stipulated it as a condition of sale
Before Jerry entered the picture. Even said he’d do the firing himself as a last act of ownership, but Jerry apparently said he was the new owner and it was his responsibility.
Feb 23rd (night): KXAS-TV (Ft Worth) reports sale imminent; Jones buying, Johnson replacing Landry
Feb 24th: Schramm denies any related knowledge; minor mentions of KXAS reporting in various papers
Feb 25th (morning): DMN runs “Cowboys Sale Near; Landry Likely Out” headliner story
Feb 25: Sale takes place; Jones and Schramm fly to Landry’s resort home to tell him he is no longer Cowboys coach
Feb 26: Story breaks regarding sale and Landry firing
Jerry’s long admitted to this not being “handled” as well as it might have been:
Having seen Landry on TV, oh, ten thousand times, Jones expected his reaction to be subdued and polite. “I’ll always regret going there,” says Jones. “I misread the situation. I wanted to do the right thing and tell him in person. I thought it would be honorable. But it didn’t come off that way. I’ll always be haunted by that.”
- Boys will be Boys, J. Pearlman, p.24
Sure, it wasn’t “handled” as nicely as it might’ve been, the being caught at Mia’s with Jimmy being reported by the DMN, the suppository TV reporting (<— see what I did there), the whole thing, but sh!t happens, circumstances take place, and I have long doubted there was animosity on anyone’s part but Bright’s. Not Jerry’s, I’d say, and he’s taken a lot of flak over the years, from myself included in those immediately afterwards days, for standing up and taking that responsibility on.
And anybody that thinks Tom Landry didn’t know what was coming or was taken by surprise or anything of the like is not only naive but plain wrong.
Bright despised Landry. And Landry had little regard for Bright. Goes back to well before Bright was Cowboys owner, apparently. Face it, the 2 men just plain didn’t cotton to each other. Period.
And I say all this as someone who, at the time, was one of those who thought and said some pretty terrible things about Jerry Jones. I’ve… – mellowed. With reason.
Cry "Havoc!"
by tanstaafl on Dec 30, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Amen tan..
A little more history than I remember (being young and pissed off makes the scenery a lot less visible) but when the “after the emotions” facts came out..I became more angry with Bumrush Bright than almost anyone else connected to that dark incident. Still hate the guy. My age never mellowed that.
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
clint merchison was the only worthy cowboy owner, bright .. well he was a little short.....
on common sense between the ears. my grandpa always said….
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Amen to that
Bum Bright was one of the worst things that has ever happened to our Cowboys. He bought them for one thing only – to sell them for more money than he paid for them. He had absolutely no desire to put a winning team on the field.
You can lead a duck to water, but if it wants to fly, you will never get it to swim.
yea a few of my cousins & uncles
still talk about how messed up that was when he canned landry, i guess all good things come to an end rite?
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 30, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I have a lot of family in the Dallas who hate Jerry and no longer support the Cowboys.
In fact, if you ask them, the new stadium isn’t anything more than ‘a big barn to play football in.’ Most of them will agree that it was time for Landry to step down, but they hate how unceremoniously it was done. They felt that it showed a huge amount of disrespect (which I can agree with).
oh no doubt jerry definitely should've
approached it a different way that part was f’d up & ur family has a great point in thinking that jerry’s world is just a barn cause it is.. There really is no home-field “advantage” with this team, none.. The stadium is quiet as hell & i have a theory in that maybe its cause a lot of sponsors buy tix but they’re the type of ppl who could care less what happens on the field whereas the avg joe, passionate, cuss, throw the remote, yell @ the tv type of fan simply can’t afford to go the games but i honestly don’t know for sure.. Did u hear how loud our fans were on the road when they played the jets, frisco, skins? That’s exactly the type of noise i wanna hear when the boys play @ home.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 30, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Curious. What was it about the "handling" that irks you?
Asking this as one who, at the time, was outraged, more royally PO’d and offended with regard to personal concepts like honor and integrity than makes reasonable sense considering this was a non-personal siuation and an act of business removed from our direct personal lives, if you get my meaning.
What’s your understanding of “how he fired Landry”?
Cry "Havoc!"
As to what my understanding is that he anouced it before he told Tom.
Everyone I talked feels that he should have met with Tom, told him first, and given him the option to go gracefully. Given that Tom’s last year he had a 3-13 record, most people I’ve talked to understand wanting to go with a new coach, but given his tenure and legacy, they also feel he should have been able to leave with grace and dignity.
thats not true
in the Landry special on NFL Network they said Jerry met with Landry and told him he was going to be rolling with Jimmy Johnson
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 30, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
The way I heard it was
that Jerry Jones announced the firing in a press conference, then met with Landry. Again, I’m going by second hand here. I was 6 when it happen and was more concerned with Transformers, so, I accept I might not have all the facts. But, from talking to fans, I get the impression that firing Landry angered everyone, and not many have forgiven him.
Not quite true
Jones didn’t announce it until after he and Schramm met with Landry. The media had made some speculative reports, but as far as I remember and can find evidence to support, Jerry himself and/or the Cowboys franchise had made no announcement.
Even before the fact, in those lead-up days we knew it was coming. It was a sorrowful being-in-denial period that I still think resonates deeply with many who cared about this team and went through it. And one I’m ever more convinced is influenced and tinged by emotion even beyond fact. That is the power of more than fandom, but a fondness or even love for not only a team, but the people and times of our Past, precious memory, more than the reality of a situation.
There’s a bit of review up the thread a bit about this stuff, if you’re interested.
Cry "Havoc!"
did you watch the NFL special on Landry?
they said Jerry flew down to Landry and met with him and told him first hand
I mean, that sounds legit
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Absoluetly true CC
Jones asked Landry to come to DAL, to which Landry said, in effect – if you’re going to fire me, why. So JJ, trying to do the right thing, went down to Austin. The Mia thing was spectacularly bad mojo, some suspect there was major dancing in the DMN sports desk because it couldn’t have been a more epic PR disaster for the 2 JJ’s. But Tan is absolutely correct, Bum Bright was the bad guy here. Hell, even Landry relented – finally agreeing to the ROH ceremony.
I hope when my time comes the first person I meet in the afterlife is TL, I hold him in such high regard. But even I know he was done by then.
I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices
The press had a field day with Jerry and his mouth.
Never forget when Jerry called the cheerleaders…“The pick of the litter”.
That went over like a turd in the punch bowl.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
see thats what I saw, that Jerry met him in person
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
being as i was a little teeter totter
when that “monstrosity” happened i couldn’t tell u exactly how i felt but just the stories my older relatives would tell me i think their feelings were very similar to yours tan, they felt stability with Landry he was the face, the man, mr fedora, he was the guy who represented the class, tradition & pride that is the Dallas Cowboys then all of a sudden he was gone & everything he brought to the team left with him.. My folks said they felt that Tom would eventually right the ship again before oil man intervened.. As I got older the things that i read that bugged me was that jerry went to the media 1st before actually making his decision to fire Landry & i think that’s just something u don’t do, its unprofessional imo.
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
by DarkKnight88 on Dec 30, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well, out your mind at rest
Jerry didn’t go to the media first. He went, with Schramm, to inform Landry. Say what you want about Jerry and his mistakes, doing that, doing what a man does, a cowboy does, even when it doesn’t come out perfect or all a-ok, that’s an element of character. He sure as hell didn’t need to talk to Landry personally and other people in similar circumstances sure as hell haven’t behaved as honorably as Jones did in that circumstance.
So, in the end, a lot of the flak is unjustified.
Cry "Havoc!"
tan, I think your question
reveals that you suspect, as I do, that people still (possibly always will) have a misunderstanding of how the Landry termination went down. From all I’ve heard Jerry was the only one with the stones to fire Landry despite the concerns us being that that was in the best interest of the Cowboys.
Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.
~Sun Tzu
by CDMac24 on Dec 31, 2011 12:39 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Tan, I agree with your assessment
and while it may be considered anti-Cowboy on this site to say it, it really was time for Tom Landry to retire or be replaced. Before you all attack me for this comment, look at the won/loss record he compiled for the past 3 years before he was let go. Also, look at the players that he and his group had drafted before Jerry and Jimmy took over. If you are honest about it, I think you will agree with me.
You can lead a duck to water, but if it wants to fly, you will never get it to swim.
How dare I dien to speak on Landry's behalf, yet I do
To everything there is a season…
With the circumstance in the Past, the emotional context, shock and loss come to terms with, the man’s belief system, I’ve little doubt he would see the simple truth of the matter. Much as it pained, even pains, not only him to his dying day, but those of us who witnessed.
And I use “dien” rather than “deign” intentionally.
Cry "Havoc!"
There was no good way to fire the best football coach that ever lived.
As far as Bum Bright, he was a jackass and a Aggie, enough said.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Yup, you're right, no good way
Landry wouldn’t resign, not to Schramm before any of that went down, not to Jerry or anyone afterwards. It’s just… – history. Plain and simple.
Bum. As in ass. ’nuff said
Cry "Havoc!"
I like the direction of the last two drafts
but before that, wasn’t real excited with the outcomes
I like how the OL strategy in personnel has changed, finally
I like how they appear to value CBs but just dont draft them high, that needs to change
they have improved their line of thinking on RB’s and ILB’s, now it has to change on OLBs and pass rushers
the last two drafts show promise and moving in the right direction, a third straight good draft class would help
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 30, 2011 2:43 PM CST reply actions
yup, but to me i think the 2000-2009 was the worst 10 yr decade in cowboy history.......
even over our 1st 10 years, at least back then it was from scratch, the montrocity of the last 10 years, to me, was probably the least enjoyable of all.
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Well that's sort of a ignoring a giant elephant in the room...
The 1990-1999 was the BEST 10 year stretch in Cowboys history. Which happened under Jerry, if were giving him all the blame for 2000-2009 we should give him all the credit for the best stretch too, right?
What, Romo and Austin don't count?
Both Romo and Austin were brought to the team in 2006. Just because they weren’t “drafted,” you shouldn’t exclude them from your list.
Also, I wonder why you picked the years 2006-2009. If you are grading Jerry Jones as the GM, why aren’t you looking at all of his years? The reason why you cherry-picked those years is to justify your conclusion, which you already made before looking at all of the facts. There is also a good chance that Scandrick will be a starting CB next year. That further messes up your numbers.
Let’s see, how many starters did we get in 2010-2011:
D. Bryant
P. Costa
T. Smith
S. Lee
There are 3 potential Pro Bowlers on that list. Also, whether you want to admit it or not, Felix Jones is a starter. If he isn’t a starter, then you can add Demarco Murray to the list above. Jason Hatcher is listed as a starter on the Dallas Cowboy’s official depth chart and he was drafted in 2006. Why did you exclude him?
A couple of other points, does the GM get credit for L. Robinson? or Fiammetta?
When the Cowboys had 13 Pro-Bowl players in 2008, was JJ a bad GM then?
Don’t get me wrong, JJ may not be the best GM in the world, but thank the star on the Cowboy’s helmet he isn’t Dan Snyder.
by Conn Cowboy on Dec 30, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Romo
was signed as an undrafted free agent in 2003. I’ve always thought Jerry was a great OWNER and a very poor GM. Jimmy Johnson built the team that won 3 Super Bowls in the 90’s and Bill Parcells built most of the team we have now. We can thank him for Romo (actually, we can thank Quincy Carter), Austin (Parcells was still here in ‘06), Ware, Witten, Ratliff, Almost Anthony, TNew (he was good once) & Bradie James (thought he was going to be good once). Oh, and let’s not forget about the season Bobby Carpenter is having for the Lions.
Ha, I was trying to think of the Director of Scouting when Jimmy first got here and I remembered his name was Larry Lacewell. When I did a Wikipedia search of him, I found this little nugget: “Lacewell became assistant head coach under Barry Switzer in 1973, and the teams won two national championships in the ensuing years. He later left, amid allegations that Barry Switzer was boring out Lacewell’s wife.” Gotta love Wikipedia.
by SuperBowl2012 on Dec 30, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Jimmy...
… “Had to be convinced to draft Emmitt” Johnson? Jimmy “considered and almost cut Irvin” Johnson? Jimmy “Troy might have more talent, but Steve can take us to the Super Bowl” Johnson?
Look, I’m as thankful as the next fan over that whole JJ² (Jimmy Johnson * Jerry Jones) resurrection of this franchise and team back then, but let’s maintain some factual perspective and not give in to Landryesque flights of fantasy, make-believe and fabricated legend. Neither JJ on his own would have pulled it off. Not alone. Not the whole thing, not bringing this franchise and team back from where it was in the late 80’s. And each of them not only contributed to the building, but damn near made erroneous judgment calls that would have produced a very different Cowboys team and resultant history had they held sway over all the myriad decisions and circumstances that went into making those days what they were. There were more men than just the 2 JJ’s involved, to boot.
So let’s hold off on Jimmy’s sainthood, Jerry’s damnation and even the deification of Landry.
As much as I admire and see flaws in all three, none of them alone were solely responsible for any success or failure the Cowboys have ever had. Or ever will.
Cry "Havoc!"
by tanstaafl on Dec 30, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
To reinforce the point
Jimmy didn’t exactly tear it up down in MIA after his DAL departure
I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices
+1
a lot of people don’t know about Jimmy being on the wrong side about Emmitt and Aikman.
Costa ?
Costa blows.
When the Cowboys had 13 Pro-Bowl players in 2008, was JJ a bad GM then?
How many of them did Jerry draft ?
If you are grading Jerry Jones as the GM, why aren’t you looking at all of his years? The reason why you cherry-picked those years is to justify your conclusion
How many playoff wins does Dallas have since Switzer left ? There , that should cover more than the cherry picked years.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
“Jason Hatcher is listed as a starter on the Dallas Cowboy’s official depth chart and he was drafted in 2006. Why did you exclude him?”
From 2006-2010 Hatches was a true backup. This year he’s played no more than 50% of Cowboys defensive snaps.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 30, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Why we're talking about 2007-2009
Is because it takes 3 years to grade a draft class. I agree that 2010 looks like a good class and 2011 looks promising. But the premise of the article is the true-ism that it takes 3 years to grade a class.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 30, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm saying that's a weak way to grade Jerry as a GM.
The 2009 draft class was basically an abortion. That screws up any small sample size like a three year period. I’d say 2007 and 2008 were fairly average, they got some players that’ll start and some quality back ups. My biggest problem with the 2008 draft is that they drafted Felix and Bennett to basically be complements to Barber and Witten, that’s a strategy that’ll kill you every time. Don’t use high picks to on complementary players, use them on starters.
by Omar Little on Dec 30, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and that's the point
3 players turned into starters. The rest are career part-time players.
So while Felix and Bennett are sitting on the sidelines, Lumpy and Costa are playing every down. Then we wonder why our offense isn’t elite? It’s not the OC’s fault in the GM’s.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 30, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
+1 B.E.D.
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by DarkKnight88 on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
He was cut and then only brought back due to injury. If you're starting because of injury that's the definition of a backup
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
He started last year, no?
Yeah he got his opportunity because of an injury, so what? So did Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, and Lou Gehrig. Who cares? He had a good year and he’s probably going to start again next year. He counts. Besides it wasn’t JUST the injury that he was brought back for, he got himself in shape (well better shape) and worked on his conditioning. He was let go because he was an out of shape fat ass that wasn’t fit to be on an NFL roster, since that was no longer the case they brought him back.
If you think Montre Holland is comperable to Kurt Warner then go right ahead
Increase the number from 3 drafted starters to 4.
I don’t think so and I’ve given my reason, but you’re more than welcome to have your own opinion.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Well that's not what I said...
The point is that guys get starting jobs due to injury all the time. Roy Williams was a starter for a couple of years, they used draft picks to acquire him, so that’s five. Felix was the starter at the beginning of the year and that’s six players that have started, he lost his starting job to guess what: another guy that Jerry drafted. Sure the Saints have two probowl guards and Harper at Safety, but I’d much rather have Tyron Smith than Bushrod.
There was also a lost draft in 2009, given Jerry’s 20+ year history as the GM of the Cowboys, I’d consider that an aberration. Basically the perfect storm of fail, I don’t think we’ll ever see a draft like that again, thankfully. That hurt the team quite a bit, but he’s made up for it with good drafts in the past that have yielded players like Jay Ratliff, DeMarcus Ware, Jason Witten Doug Free, and Mike Jenkins and they have brought in solid players as UDFAs like Miles Austin and Tony Romo and had fruitful drafts lately that have brought Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, DeMarco Murray, and Tyron Smith.
The Cowboys acquired Roy Williams, the Saints acquired Marques Colston
The Cowboys acquired Montre Holland, the Saints acquired Jahri Evans
The Cowboys acquired Alan Ball, the Saints acquired Roman Harper
That’s the difference in a Superbowl caliber team and a mediocre 9-7 team.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that Jerry isn't a good GM, esp
from ‘95-’03 and has a few head scratchers like the RW trade, but there was some chart that showed the “bust rate” on draft picks and the Cowboys were above average on drafting. We had a poor draft in ‘09 thanks to the RW trade mentioned above, but beyond that, we’ve had some decent ones, on top of the UDFAs we’ve signed. Jerry seems now to listen to scouts more, doesn’t have any more Shante Carver moments, and our most recent, well-known bust was Carpenter, who was a Parcells pick. Not saying Jerry is the best GM bc he’s certainly NOT, but he’s learned a lot from his mistakes.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Really ?
Not saying Jerry is the best GM bc he’s certainly NOT, but he’s learned a lot from his mistakes.
Really why would you use a valuable first rounder on a part time player ? A player you knew you were drafting to be a part time player .
This is just another reason I hate the 3-4 in Dallas. Jerry has spent so many picks on lb’s at the expense of other position groups. He refused to draft an o lineman in the first until this year. Jerry isn’t just a bad gm, he sucks at it.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
3-4 is hard to fill with playmakers, unless your the Steelers.
But as long as Ware is a Cowboy they will run some version of the 3-4
I dunno how long he "refused" to draft an OLman in the first round
2009 he didn’t have a first, 2010 he got Dez Bryant and there were no OLmen that had better grades than Dez available at the pick, 2008 there wasn’t really one available either, 2007 they should have drafted Staley instead of Spencer…but the 34 is hardly at fault for this. Because the way the 34 works the SOLB is a valuable starting position. Where would the Steelers be without LaMarr Woodley? Both OLBs don’t have to be freakish passrushers, one does, the other has to be about a “b” passrusher, good enough to where offenses have to take him seriously, but his main job is holding the point of attack and covering the run.
I know how the 3-4 works. It hasn't worked out well in Dallas and ignoring other position groups because of it is why Dallas is mediocre.
Well that and………………….nm I don’t feel like typing all of that.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 30, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
What was the Cowboys defense overall ranking
BP’s first year and Zimmer’s last running the 4-3?
Cowboys went 10-6 that season with a bus driver qb. They scrapped the 4-3 and the Defense was never the same.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Bow !
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
I think there's a year gap missing
BP kept the 4-3 after ’03 but after the 6-10 season in 2004, he switched to the 3-4 for 2005
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
And that period also marked
the start of a stunning decline for the Original Roy Williams. Once a huge asset, well on his way to epic liability. Switch to 3-4, while a convenient scapegoat, had little to do with it.
The real issue from the Parcells and later WP days was an unnatural fixation on 2 positions:
- LB’s to feed the 3-4
and
- WR’s to feed JJ’s dementia
As to the former, our talent evaluation sucked, and DAL had to keep re-stocking to make up for prior mistakes. Parcells arrogance – that he knew better than anyone else, could only have been trumped by Sta-Puffs intellectual indifference – relying on gut feel over measurable for a hots of questionable choices. JJ’s semi-democratic War Room decision-making actually served him poorly with these 2 clowns.
The WR silliness required DAL to subvert fundamental, critical needs was classic Opportunity Cost, namely sacrificing talent along both O/D lines
I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices
Oh the fun with Arbitrary end points...
The 2009 draft was a failure for a number of reasons, one because they traded all their good picks for Roy Williams (and I guess you have to count him as a starter), they tried to move up to get Max Unger but were c-blocked. Things happen. They picked up Miles Austin (pro-bowler) as a UDFA in 2006. Felix was the starter at the beginning of the season and is the starter now. Hatcher is close to starting and the NFL is getting to the point where the third CB is basically a starter. In 2007 they drafted Spencer, Free, and Folk. All of whom spent time starting. I like how you conveniently left out 2005, yeah the good draft was a Parcells one but the bad one was a Jerry one, right?
Besides, what’s with the hate of drafting valuable back ups in the later rounds? Look, you’ve got to have quality back ups and special teams players in this league. There’s value in players like Orlando Scandrick and Victor Butler. It’s a violent game and players get injured, a good way to keep players healthy is to keep them fresh. Several teams have DL and OL rotations and experience a great deal of success with them.
I really think this list is heavily dragged down because the 2009 draft class was so terrible. I think Jerry learned his lesson there. The next two drafts have been much much better. 2010 already has two fixtures on the team in Dez Bryant and Sean Lee, and Sean Lissemore figures to have a role on the team in the future in at least some capacity. Yes, AOA didn’t work out, hey it happens. Sometimes good process leads to bad results. There were a few duds like Sam Young and Jamar Wall but how many teams don’t draft crappy players? Last season they already found two fixtures on the team? Yes please. That’s not just a “starter” that’s a rock on your team. Yes, they both need to stay healthy but they look like absolute studs. In the 2011 draft you already have a top five tackle, a starting running back (if he stays healthy), and several players that figure to help out in various different ways like Akrin, Nagy, and Harris. Oh yeah, there’s also Bruce Carter, I know you’re still chugging the haterade but it’s still his rookie season, but he’s blocked a punt and looked good in all the action I’ve seen him in. Yeah there were some dark days, but I think the morning in the Metroplex.
Parcells had 1 good draft. One. Epic fail in the others.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 30, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Parcells' heart was not into coaching the Boys. Don't know the reason but bailing before the task was completedhampered our progress because of Wade.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Jerry wanted another soft hc. He has paid for it. We fans have paid more.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Let's look at a couple of things:
In the 22 years that Tex Schramm was Dallas’ GM in the Super Bowl Era, Dallas went to 5 Super Bowls Winning 2. In the 22 years Jerry has been GM, Dallas has gone to and won 3 Super Bowls. Less visits, more wins.
From 1970 (the inception of the NFC East) to 1988 (again, the period under Schramm) Dallas won the East 10 times. Under Jerry, we’ve won it 8 (hopefully 9) times.
Does this mean that Jerry is a great GM? Absolutely not. These numbers probably don’t tell the whole truth. They don’t show playoff births via wild cards nor playoff wins. But, to assume Dallas has had no success under Jerry isn’t accurate as well.
I also see a lot of inconsistency here. Many of these posts read as if Jerry gets credit for the draft if it was a bad player, but doesn’t get credit if the player was good. Now, that may not have been the intention, but to myself, that’s how many read.
What I see....
Every owner and every GM be it Jerry or Dan Snyder…. If the owner who by all means runs the business wants to be the GM well it’s his team… you as a fan do not own the team, and it really doesn’t matter what your opinion is.
We can definitely debate the good and bad about Jerry and honestly there are many GM’s in the league that aren’t as good as Jerry is, as a GM or their teams would be in the Superbowl already… just by your assumptions.
So let’s say we look at the Saints… since that’s the team you selected. Saints have been to how many Superbowls… oh yea 1… they won it.
The did not repeat or win 3 of 4 which should have been 4 straight but… let’s not leave with a heavy heart. Jimmy was the coach but Jerry was the owner… I will guarantee you he had something to say about who was drafted. I don’t think he’s changed much since he bought the Cowboys. He’s one of the few GM’s in the NFL that can’t be fired, and that’s something to say!!! LOL
RexP
Speaking of the Saints...
They bought Drew Brees. If the Chargers didn’t basically fall into Phillip Rivers they wouldn’t have him. Without Brees they’re nothing.
Dallas bought , Drew Henson , Chad Hutchinson and Drew Bledsoe. Dallas with those players
…..was nothing. See the difference ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
well for me
the biggest mistake was never drafting a good QB prospect to groom under Aikman
that held us back, what 8 years before Romo finally stepped up?
whoever was running the scouting on QB’s in that time frame should be gone from the NFL
then we have an opportunity to draft a QB prospect who was rumored to be the #1 pick and falls all the way to the late first round and we take Marcus Spears over him
that QB was Aaron Rodgers
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
To be fair...
EVERYONE missed on Rodgers, he fell into Green Bay’s lap basically. Yeah, credit to Green Bay for taking the long route, but he was the best QB in that draft at the time of the draft and it’s a failure of NFL scouting that caused him to fall that far. Alex Smith was basically a poor man’s Tim Tebow in college and Aaron Rodgers was an extremely accurate QB with a good arm that played in a pro-offense.
And Chia since Romo he has only drafted McGee and wasted 3 years with him.
Kept Nate Jones over Matt Moore. Yikes.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Stop reminding me!
God the Matt Moore decision is such a dagger. He’d be the backup QB that the Cowboys have needed all these years so we wouldn’t have had to endure Brad Johnson and Stephen McGee.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
yeah they got greedy with Moore trying to sneak him onto the PS
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Put your best 53 on your active roster
IT’S NOT THAT HARD!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
they got greedy
I was very upset by that move, really pissed actually now that I think back to it
I watched every preseason game that year and I was like wow, another Romo, go figure
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows how good he might have been with time to develop
On a real team with a strong QB system instead of trying to learn how to be an NFL QB by watching David Garrard on the NFL’s worst team.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Drew Bledsoe had at least one really good year with Dallas
Henson was acquired by trade and Hutchinson was a UDFA. Hardly counts the same as Brees.
And you got my point.
Bledsoe was bought and 1 good year means what ? He was already old and wasn’t the future in Dallas. Saints were smart for getting Brees when the opportunity presented itself. Dallas is not smart. Hutch was bought with a draft pick.
All udfa’s are bought. There is no defense of Jerry’s poor leadership. You would defend Jerry if this team went 0-16 four straight years. Stating Jerry got a starter in Roy Williams even though it was trade proves just how some never remove the goggles.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
He did show the leadership to fire the only coach the team ever had, bring in a guy that nobody thought would work and win three Super Bowls.
If you ask me, the mistake he made was not going into a full rebuild after Irvin was knocked out. Instead he went for broke trying to make the most out of Emmitt and Aikman’s last years with the team. He did get the all time rushing record with Emmitt on the team, that was probably worth keeping him around longer than he should have been kept around. He did the same after Aikman left, he tried to build a winner with the pieces he had, rather than just hitting the reset button and trying to build a team from the ground up.
The Cowboys lost three Hall of Famers and the best core that we’ve seen in the NFL for years. Most teams would suck after that. Imagine what the Pats will be like once Brady and Belichick leave. The Colts lucked their way into Andrew Luck, so they’ll still be fine, the Cowboys had no such luck. The Packers also lucked into Aaron Rodgers, if they didn’t have him they’d be in a heap of hurt. Yes they showed the foresight to answer when opportunity knocked, but lets not act like they’re this stellar organization that found a diamond in the rough and coached him up or anything. See what happens to the Saints when Brees leaves, and then imagine if they also lost their next two best players on top of that. The Steelers? Imagine if they lost James Harrison, Ben Roethlisberger, and Troy Polamalu…that’s basically what Jerry went through when he lost Aikmin, Irvin, and Emmitt.
I'm not defending him believe me!!!!
Just no use barking up a tree that’s already been barked at 20,000 times.
RexP
geez
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 30, 2011 7:10 PM CST reply actions
We know.
Well, most of us who are sane anyway.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Jerry Jones is what he is
He’s a mediocre GM. He’s not great. He’s not horrible. He’s average. Just like the rest of the team.
Every NFL team has talent. Every single one. The way that talent was acquired was via the GM. The Rams have Bradford and S Jackson but they’re still a bad team. Even the Raiders have great players…
TJ, you're right, but this is the Cowboys and maybe we're spoiled, but we expect more.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I'm not saying to expect more
I’m just being real.
But what are you gonna do – complain? Picket? Get all the fans together and sign a petition? He’s the OWNER. If you had a billion dollars, would you draft players according to what the fans say on a blog?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Dec 31, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
No Tyrone I would hire you.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Thanks for the vote of confidence but from the looks of it, the job is a tough one. No one ever seeems to be happy – kinda like being the president.
The one think I think Boys fans can do is to just be MORE knowledgeable about football. That is, how play calling is developed, the interaction between coach and player, the business side of paying contracts, etc. This site has its moments in terms of empowering fans w/ this sort of knowledge.
More informed fans makes for happier fans because they understand all the limiting factors associated w/ the business. The most knowledgeable fans I’ve ever come in contact with always seem to be Packer fans. I’ve met several who not only know their teams roster but many other rosters as well. The speak intelligently about the West Coast offensive system that has been popular of late. They know the difference between a 3-4 DE and a 4-3 3 technique tackle. They understand the A – B – C gap, the spreads between them and how/why pash rush is developed.
Of course, that’s because they OWN their team.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Dec 31, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
I would be down with that idea
say dallas fans lets buy the team, get some ppl on staff & manage this organization
"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22
"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy
Read an article by A Brandt
That quoted a sign in an NFL team head office, ‘Once you start thinking like a fan you are already on your way to becoming one.’
I highly doubt any degree of ownership conveys knowledge about the industry of the entity – because that would make any of us with mutual funds, 401k’s, SEP plans, IRA’s and equities some sort of expert
I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices
When I read posts like this
I realize why the majority of fans just want to talk position upgrades and draft. Its just too depressing when you look at the big picture, i.e., that the cowboys have a bad GM and their is absolutely nothing that will change that.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
The concept that I have of a GM
is a person who has a vision of the style of team he wants to put on the field. He then finds the head coach and assistants to implement his vision. He recruits the appropriate personnel to operate the system in his vision. He hires excellent scouts to evaluate, find and rank the right players for the system.
So we all need to ask ourselves if JJ fits the above description?
My problem withh JJ is how can he have a clear vision of the type of football team he wants to field with no real experience in football itself. You can make the argument that if he wants to be like the Packers, all he has to do is hire the HC who will style the Cowboys after the Pack. The problem is how do you know who is the right HC if you don’t really understand who the Packers are? How, as the GM, do you decide who the right players are to draft or sign to successfully make your scheme work if you really don’t know the scheme. You get my drift.
JJ is a business man and an incredibly good one at that. He’s been a great owner, but a naive GM. The best you can say is that he makes decisions based on the opinions of many in the Cowboy organization, but he has no inherent or personal knowledge or expertise about the team, it’s offensive and defensive philosophies and schemes, the players who must make the O and D work, or for that matter the people who evaluate the talent.
You wouldn’t hire CFO for your fortune 500 company, who has no backround in financial matters. I love JJ, and if he allows JG to be the defacto GM making the decisions and all he does is rubber stamp and take credit for the decisions, I’m fine with that, if JG is qualified to do it and is successful, but I’m of the opinion that after 16 years and only one playoff win, any GM would have been fired long ago if he hadn’t been the owner of the team. JJ should fire himself and hire a real GM.
BED by the rec’d.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
for the record
I trust Stephen Jones for the future, he actually understands things from a personnel stand point and a business standpoint
he wanted to bring in a football mind, he wanted to bring in another head coach over Wade, he wanted TO gone, etc etc etc etc
Stephen Jones, the day he takes over will hire a GM
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions
I agree Chia
It was Stephen Jones who convinced Jerry to cut T.O. after the 2008 season, it was Stephen Jones who begged Jerry not to extend Wade’s contract but Jerry did anyway.
I think Stephen has seen Jerry make a lot of mistakes and he’s learned from them. I don’t know how the personnel decisions will be made when Stephen takes the helm, but I do know I have more faith in his ability to guide that process than Jerry.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
at least with Stephen, we get someone more reasonable and logical in there
I trust that man completely
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Dec 31, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
The man just can't be in charge of Cowboys decisions anymore
Between Stephen, Garrett, and the scouting department they have to just muzzle him.
His track record of failure is why this team is no better than the Houston Texans.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 31, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
DING DING DING !!!
ability to guide that process than Jerry
He would allow a process . Right now Jerry is the process.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Dec 31, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
I've been a fan of Stephen for awhile
Didn’t he get into a yelling match with Jerry over the TO thing?
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
The Deion thing for sure
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Jerry Jones? The man who personally invented the concept of
a special teams draft, a bad GM?
How can you possibly say that???
Don’t be bad mouthing Phil Costa’s only fan.
When you watched tonight's game was there any doubt this article was wrong?
I ask you, when you watched tonight’s game, was there any doubt that the problem is we don’t have skilled enough players on the field?
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 2, 2012 12:54 AM CST reply actions
BED , you will never get an argument from me.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
This team is at the very least 10 players away.
Along with a new staff.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
It's really surprising how many holes we have
If we cut Newman, we only have 2 corners under contract
we only have 2 ILBs under contract, one of whom has only made 4 tackles in 8 appearances
we don’t have a starting strong-side OLB
we don’t have a starting free safety
we don’t have a center
we have an absolute mess at both guard positions
we don’t have a backup QB and our project #3 QB is a disaster
and as of right now we have Kevin “which route am I running?” Ogletree as our #3 WR
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 2, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Good List and it is Surprising:
And, Dallas does not have a young fast stud offensive threat at TE (Witten is showing his age) (compare New England, 49ers) ; Dallas does not have an established third offensive tackle; Dallas is very thin at defensive line in terms of pass rushing specialists (compare Giants)
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