Cowboys To Sign Safety Gerald Sensabaugh To Long Term Deal
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 9, 2011 3:00 PM CST
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PrintGerald Sensabaugh's patience may have finally paid off. Sensabaugh had signed three consecutive one-year deals with the Cowboys and now looks to be on the verge of signing a long term contract.
Sensabaugh joined the Cowboys out of Jacksonville in 2009 on a one-year deal worth $1.75 million. In 2010, he signed a second-round tender offer for $1.82 million, and this year signed another one-year deal for $2.5 million after the lockout.
Rob Phillips from dallascowboys.com reports that the Cowboys are expected to sign Sensabaugh to a long term extension, but that terms have not been disclosed yet.
Clarence Hill of the Forth Worth Star-Telegram reports that the deal is for five years, is worth $22.5 million and is expected to be finalized today.
The 28-year old safety was originally a fifth round draft pick for the Jaguars, where he played from 2005-2008 before joining the Cowboys. In his almost three years with the Cowboys, Sensabaugh has notched 190 tackles, eight interceptions and two forced fumbles, both this year. He is the second leading tackler after Sean Lee in 2011 with 63 stops.
For what it's worth, ProFootballFocus grade him as the tenth best safety in the league so far this year, a position he also held at the end of the 2010 season.
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I'm no genius on value vs. salary comparisons, but this looks decent.
And at tenth in the league, he seems worth the contract. Wonder what is going on with Abe Elam? How does he rank overall, and is he worth a deal, possibly a 2 or 3 year one at a lower price?
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Wow. Why do I think he’s better than he ranks? Homerism?
I really thought he’d rank higher than that.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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Two good games and Elam would be top 20. Conversely, two bad games and he’d drop into the 70s – that’s how closely stacked these PFF grades are at the safety position.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's 38th out of the 63 Safeties that have played 50% or more of their team's snaps
So that’s a little better than when you hear that he’s 50th. Most people think 50th out of 64 starting safeties, but he’s 50th out of 85 graded safeties. Still not that spectacular, but not absolutely horrid, either.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about the deal
He is going from making about $2 Million a year to over $4 million a year. I would like to see his salary over the last 2 years related to how many games he actually played in. I fear a fat wallet induced injury coming, especially since he has been prone to a lot of not so fat wallet injuries thus far.
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by Jonathan Bradley on Dec 9, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
i can't see keeping Elam around 2 or 3 years
i rather take my chances in the draft or FA
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Happy to have him
Michael Huff got $8M/yr, Antrel Rolle got $7.4M/yr, and O.J. Atogwe got $5.2M/yr. What do they all have in common? They are all behind Sensabaugh in PFF’s ranks. $4.5M/yr for Sensabaugh is a great move in my opinion. He’s not a catalytic Safety, but I wouldn’t say any of the above are either, so just accept the deal for what it is.
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He seems to be taking to Rob's scheme rather well.
I like this move a lot. He’s been solid, and keeps getting better.
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Atogwe should be a Cowboy
his deal is real modest
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately for the Redskins...
his play has been really modest this season as well.
Atogwe………… 44 Tackles (26 solo), 1 Sack, 0 FF, 1 INT, 3 PD http://www.nfl.com/player/oshiomoghoatogwe/2506405/profile
Sensabaugh.. 60 Tackles (50 solo), 0 Sack, 2 FF, 2 INT, 3 PD http://www.nfl.com/player/geraldsensabaugh/2506492/profile
Heck, Abram Elam has more tackles and FF’s than Atogwe. Atogwe does have more Sacks (1), INT’s (1) and PD (3):
Elam…………….51 Tackles (40 Solo), 0 Sack, 1 FF, 0 INT, 0 PD http://www.nfl.com/player/abramelam/2506330/profile
Granted, Atogwe has missed 3 games so far this season. He also missed 4 games in 2009. Sensabaugh missed one game in 2009 because of thumb surgery. Of the two, Sensabaugh seems more durable and is able to play through injuries.
Atogwe is 30 and making $7.4M+ (depending on how many bonuses he accrues) this season and $3.4M (+ $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses) in 2012. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3283/oj-atogwe
Sensabaugh is 28 and making 2.5M this season and ~$4.5M in 2012 (still awaiting contract details). http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3338/gerald-sensabaugh
Elam is 30 and making $2.5M this season and is unsigned for next season. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4070/abram-elam
Sensabaugh is two years younger and is more likely to see the end of his 5 year deal than Atogwe is.
Once all of the details are on the table, Atogwe doesn’t look like such a hot deal after all. He definitely hasn’t lived up to the “ball hawk” reputation some here were claiming while trying to make a case for signing him.
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Sensabaugh is only 1 year younger
The deal goes into effect next year, his age 29 season. We extended him for years 29-34.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Is that new math?
Sensabaugh was born 6/13/83
Atogwe was born 6/23/81
Sensabaugh is two years younger than Atogwe.
I get what you’re saying about the contracts though. Yes, Sensabaugh will be 34 at the end of his contract. He’s still more likely to see that than Atogwe is likely to see the end of his at 35.
Rabid and luvin' it
You might want to grab a seat in an elementary school math class my friend
Atogwe signed for years 30-35
Sensabaugh signed for years 29-34
The age that we signed him for is 1 year younger than Atogwe.
What are are saying is like saying signing Keith Brooking was a great deal because he’s 3 years younger than Dexter Coakley! Completely ignoring the fact Brooking’s contract started in 2009 and Coakley in 1997.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm...
guess you missed:
I get what you’re saying about the contracts though. Yes, Sensabaugh will be 34 at the end of his contract. He’s still more likely to see that than Atogwe is likely to see the end of his at 35.
i already admitted that point.
Rabid and luvin' it
You really want to see 5 more years of this?
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2011/11/in-red-zone-deja-vu-all-over-again.html
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Test the strong safety’s discipline and attack the middle of the field. In both cases, touchdowns were allowed. Ryan had a near conniption fit, as you can see in the first still
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Look, the guy is going to get beat
Every other Safety in the league is going to make mistakes like this. Even the top two. Safeties aren’t perfect. Could he be better? Of course! But as far as bang-for-the-buck is concerned, I think we made a great deal here. Would you rather pay $10M/yr for Eric Weddle?
Have you seen Eric Weddle play?
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Have you?
I live in SD about a half mile from the stadium and go to multiple games per year.
Weddle is good, but he is way over-paid because he was just the biggest name safety available in FA this year.
All things considered, he isn’t much if any better than Sensabaugh.
Eagles fans..
Fear the Star
I'm all for signing Sensi
but not at that length or that much money. Is this what he would get on the open market, yes. Do we have a replacement on the roster if he goes, no.
but $4.5 M per year seems a bit high. W would hope for somewhere between 3 – 3.5 M per year. Reason being, he is NOT the leader of the secondary and only plays well when he isn’t counted on to align the D. He is a complement safety and not a lead safety. Without Elam to direct everyone where to go, Sensi a JAG. With a take-charge safety next to him he is allowed to use his instincts and athleticism to be an above-average safety.
Don’t like the idea of having a safety who relies on athleticism under contract when he will be 32.
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yeah i think they could have gotten him for around 4mil or a lil under per year.........
just because hes 10th in ppf……. the real problem is there are not many great safety’s in the league to compare him too. one’s chump change may happen to be better than another team’s chump change but that doesn’t make em worth the higher price, if ya get my meaning here . )
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The last sentence of the article
Says he was tenth last year, too. Alan Ball was an epic leader, though. Clearly, Ball is what made him more than JAG.
See the problem with your argument? Don’t like the guy? Just say it. He’s tenth best this year, and was tenth best last year. Leadership apparently doesn’t affect his performance.
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by CotySaxman on Dec 9, 2011 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but we got him on the cheap for 2 years..so it evens out
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
i think its a great deal.
and for what i understand, somewhat of a bargain too. now to seal up that secondary with a fresh draft and some moves this off-season
I love it!
Sensabaugh had 5 int’s last year while babysitting Ball.
This guy is well worth the money he is going to get!
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Sensabaugh had 5 int’s last year while babysitting Ball.
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1 year of INTs is a terrible predictor of success
Ken Hamlin got his huge deal in 2005 after a 5 INT year and only managed to haul in 2 more balls over the next 3 years of his NFL career.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
Sensabaugh already has those 2 INT’s this season. Guess he’s already met that expectation.LOL
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Better than Ken Hamlin isn't exactly a complimanet ;-)
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
he might be a jag, but he is an above average jag
Might never make a pro bowl, def will never make HOF, but so far in his three years of service has been mostly solid, sometimes very good, and a few times makes you say C’MON MAAAN
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Badly dont like it...
he is now 28, so at the end of the contract he would be 33 years old….
now, he is in his prime, and he is above average safety, at the age of 30 he will be only average safety and since then, he will be something like below average safety….
I mean, he is nothing special, so I dont believe he can play above average as safety for next 5 years….
I really wouldnt sign him for more then 3 years…
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
These kind of deals are actually like one or two year deals anyway
The money is probably in the first couple of years so it wont cost them anything to cut him after two more years.
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What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
then I m ok with it....
4,5 milion for a year is nothing horrible…. but I really hope it wont cost us a lot to him after his 30
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Sensabaugh is a very average safety
so I guess if that kind of money is the going rate for average safeties, so be it.
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Tenth best out of 64 starters is average?
More like the top 15th percentile amongst starters…
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by CotySaxman on Dec 9, 2011 4:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Numbers regarding safeties are misleading
I use the eye ball test when evaluating DBs and to me he’s very average.
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Well, according to PFF, he sort of is.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
nothing average about averaging 275 yards per game
and close to 2 TDs…thats elite production
In Romo we Trust
This is a good deal considering there is a thin safety class and both our safeties are on one year deals.
by starmesh23 on Dec 9, 2011 3:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sensi is going to get his money.
alright….okay. The next thing this club DESPERATELY needs to do is …………..
GET RID OF TERENCE NEWMAN ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!! There I said it. I would, and I think others would too, feel a great deal better if they waived T Newman and went out and either got a decent free agent or drafted a youngster who is considered a “ball hawk”.
Face it folks, as long as T Newman is on this roster, he will be and IS a liability. The guy is simply AWFUL in pass coverage and that’s when he’s not nursing an injury.
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I dont think we see Newman with the Cowboys next season
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Newman's been pretty good this year.
He’d have to take a pay cut to stay.
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
Next Year
If Newman wants to stay he will need to renegotiate his contract. He needs to give up some cash so we can hire a younger and better corner. He has made his money, now JJ needs to dangle the possibility of a SB ring in front of him.
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by Jonathan Bradley on Dec 9, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I have to disagree....
Newman, as I mentioned earlier, when he’s not nursing a groin pull, is simply awful in coverage. He’s become the new Roy Williams. He can’t cover, draws a PI penalty more times than not and his technique leaves a lot to be desired. He’s an aging DB whose way past his prime and is a liability in the secondary.
If I’m the Giants, i pick on him all night long. Every time I see him line up against the other teams best WR, it makes me cringe because you KNOW they go in targeting him.
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I'd feel a lot worse, really
If we cut all of our high level players after one bad game. Who do you think ranks higher this year as a corner, Peterson or Newman?
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by CotySaxman on Dec 9, 2011 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks everyone :)
My point, of course, is that we could draft a corner top 10 and he still isn’t guaranteed to outplay Newman.
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by CotySaxman on Dec 10, 2011 1:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like the guy...
But we all will be looking forward to his replacement in 2 or 3 years, let alone 5.
At least one off season, we can have the luxery of looking for just 1 safety I guess.
Hope he plays with some bravado come Sunday night!
Go Cowboys.....Go White Sox.....
Our secondary is trash but we are extending 2/5 of it
How does this make sense?
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 5:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I
Wouldnt say it horrible. Not the best in the league but not horrible. Alot of injurys to our starters this year and our DL is more horrible than our secondary. Alot could be the coach too. Jenkins was pro bowl until that dam. Coach got a hold of him.
by Sado44 on Dec 9, 2011 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You mean Jenkins went to the pro bowl 1 year after many others ahead of him declined to go
and Jenkins has been our best player in the secondary this year.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
barf
its a good deal for the Cowboys money wise
we need to get a ball hawk FS and move Sensi to SS long term
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
I don't see this as a good deal at all
Strong safety just took up at least double the salary cap space it did last year going from 2 million to 4-5 million.
That’s 2-3 million less we can spend on signing the best center, guard, DE, OLB, FS, CB, etc.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily. There are still quite a few ways to create cap space.
He’s playing well. I wouldn’t mind a similar deal for Elam, especially if they are front-loaded contracts. Allows us to be aggressive in picking up CBs
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yeah that is so easy
finding a ball hawk FS that makes more plays then he gives up. We have done so well replacing Woody. Lets see- 7 years now we have been looking.
we can pick one up at walmart
IF you're gonna act like a turd, go lay in the yard...........Lock n Load
invest picks in the position
the Cowboys have not spent draft picks or money in the position
Sensabaugh is solid and the deal they gave him is good, but in a year or two he will be on the hot seat
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
But maybe in a year or two there might actually be a solid safety draft class – this year sure isn’t, and last year wasn’t either.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 9, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
soft class last year
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
we have passed on a couple
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
like who?
that we could have gotten without giving up too much?
go back and look through the drafts
you can also look at free agency too
the one guy who we really should have signed was Atogwe, if Sensabaugh is getting 4,5 a year and Atogwe is getting 5.2 is that really much of a difference
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Atogwe- maybe
but why don’t you enlighten us on all these great FS’s that we have passed up in the draft
I dont got time to enlighten you
do some research son
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
you made the charge-support it
and as was pointed out Atogwe has not exactly been lighting it up.
by burmafrd1944 on Dec 10, 2011 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
im busy son
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
right now the safety position is solid, but nothing spectacular so I guess we should be thankful for that
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
I over value safety a little bit, just because i love that position
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
2 years ago, draft 2010 was really deep at safety and I hoped for one...
Berry and Thomas were out of reach, but Morgan Burnett? Major Wright? Nate Allen? Curt Coleman? TJ Ward?
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
bunch of names there
Kam Chancellor too
2009 draft too
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
50th?????? WOW <——- is all I can say!!!!
by Critical804 on Dec 9, 2011 5:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Out of 85 graded players
38th out of the 63 that have played at least 50% of their team’s snaps.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
If you watch out corners
They don’t play the ball or the qb they play the reciever try to read his eyes and hand movements. The accurate qbs will kill a to corner like that cause in stride Rodgers has put the ball so that the receivers hardly have to move there hands. That’s the coaches there not the players.
by Sado44 on Dec 9, 2011 5:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Thanks
Wondered why we never seem to be looking for the ball, with the exception of Jenkins on occasion.
I for one, am tired of Newmans chasing receivers. He plays off a lot of times and still winds up getting beat, and in his dog chase cat mode.
So we pass over O.J. Atogwe at $26 million
To sign Gerald Sensabaugh for $25 million?
Explain to me how this makes sense?
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idk
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Sensabaugh is younger
And Atogwe got more guaranteed money.
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by CaliCowboysFan92 on Dec 9, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Sensabaugh will be in his age-29 season the first year of this contract
Atogwe was in his age-30 season.
The difference in guaranteed money is $1.4 million.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
when did Atogwe become so great?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
When he created at least 5 turnovers every year for 4 years straight
Including 11 in 2008. While also being great in coverage.
Great safety.
Mind you, not putting up many stats at all this year with that pathetic Washington team. But the mind can only imagine what Rob Ryan could do with a safety capable of creating 11 turnovers in a season.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
Sensy's resigning delays the quest for two safeties for at least another year.
RR must like him, unless he’s planning to take the Iggles HC position if Reid gets canned, then he might be pulling a shrewd one.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
We need to upgrade the secondary big time that's for sure. This signing must most assuredly portend the demise of T New and Elam.
They’re not getting rid of Jenkins or Scandrick. If we don’t upgrade the other 2 , we’re stuck with the same old same old again neext year.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Oh, and by the way we haven't re-signed Jenkins
With the money to both Sensabaugh and Scandrick we could have re-signed Jenkins through the rest of his prime.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
if we let Jenkins walk for those 2 I would be pissed
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
RDD=REAL DEAL DEMARCO!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Dec 9, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
only so much salary cap my friend
So now we sign Jenkins and have to roll with Phil Costa next year at center because we can’t afford one.
Only so much salary cap.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 9, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Heard deal is only worth 8 mil guaranteed
not a bad deal if i say so say
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
That sounds about right
A 2 year deal worth 8mil with two 1 year team options basically.
We were gonna need at least one of our safties for a couple more years. Not sure what the FA class looks like, but it doesn’t sound like there’s much in the form of safety in this years draft.
I think this is a good deal for us as the value seems there and it gives us a little cushion to find that starter of the future.
by strobman on Dec 9, 2011 8:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
As always, devil is in the details
If this is 10 mil plus guaranteed, I’m not sure I like it. 5-8 is fine.
Resigning Sense just allows us to move forward with plugging holes in this D – CB,S,DE,ILB and if we don’t resign Spencer OLB are all needs. Sensabaugh has been far from our worst defensive starter. You can’t fill up a roster in one offseason.
The key thing for me is: If his play declines (and it may, who knows how he will react to a long term deal) will we be ok cutting him? This is where the guaranteed $$ comes in.
$8M guaranteed.
Supposedly: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3338/gerald-sensabaugh
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Im pretty curious what they are gonna do with Spencer
let him test the market and possibly let the price go down or sign him before march ?
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that;s a good question........
i dont feel as tho Spencer has earned a great contract….. im not sure hes worth a whole lot on the open market, unless sombody wanted him for a 4-3 DE.
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Yet...
they elevated another WR off the PS to replace him. And a WR with an injured hamstring at that. Guess they figure Chapas and Fiammetta can run the ball if needed.
Would have rather seen them elevate Washington, even if only to play ST’s since McCray is gimpy.
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Sorry folks
But we just extended a JAG safety that’s past his prime and an average at best slot CB – it’s so hard to say for sure but these deals don’t look good to me – especially Sensi’s.
What's the prime age for a Safety in your eyes?
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by lonewolfz28 on Dec 10, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
The prime age for everyone is roughly 27
Although you could argue it’s older for QB’s.
How about for Safeties?
Keep in mind, for years people were always talking about moving the better CB’s over to Safety when they were no longer quick enough to play CB. Take a look at the ages for some of the top Safeties in the league for the past several years. You might come away surprised.
Rabid and luvin' it
True
But keep in mind that an older, slower CB is probably faster than an older, slower safety.
Ben is right, the physical prime for a human is 27
And that extends into football, one of the most physical sports.
Troy Polamalu is a fantastic athlete that is a great safety now at 30. But many Steeler fans will tell you his best season was 2008 (coincidentally when he was 27) where he had 7 interceptions and 17 passes defended. Tory Polamalu is excellent even today at 30. But guess what, there are equally impressive 22 year old safeties such as Eric Berry too.
I think its very fair for Ben to conclude that when you look at Gerald Sensabaugh and ask if he is going to get beter, stay the same, or get worse the conclusion reached is that he will likely get worse, we just hope that getting worse happens at a slow rate or doesn’t happen for a couple years so we can dump him later in the contract.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
And I think it's fair to conclude...
people will grasp at any straw to support their dislike for certain players.
I can name plenty of Safeties that played at a high level at 30 and beyond. Just from recent memory:
The aforementioned Polamalu
His teammate Ryan Clark
JimmyK’s favorite Brian Dawkins was still playing very well two seasons ago when he was the ripe old age of 34.
Quintin Mikell is still playing well for the Rams this season.
Ed Reed had 16 PD’s and 8 INT’s last season when he was 32, and that was in only 10 games. He’s still playing well this season at 33.
Darren Sharper was 34 when he helped the Saints win their Superbowl. He had 9 INT’s that season.
I can also name Safeties that are in the 25 to 27 range that will never be as good as Sensabaugh is playing right now.
Time will tell whether he can successfully trade that extra bit of speed for the savvy that allows some Safeties to still contribute into their early 30’s. From what I’ve seen this season, he hasn’t slowed down or lost his leaping ability yet.
To write off a 28 year old (won’t be 29 until camp) as too old just boggles my mind.
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Older, slower?
You mean the Safety that ran a 4.44 at the Combine and ran step for step with Sidney Rice a couple seasons ago? Yup, he’s slow. LOL
He’s still one of the faster DB’s on the team. And, he’ll only be 29 next season. You talk like he’s Darren Sharper or something.
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Than anti-sensabaugh stuff is laughable.
Every position that comes up people seem to want to cut as if there is some endless amount of talent that we are just ingoring for some reason.
Sensi was 10 out of 85 rated safties last year and is currently 10th out of 85. If only all our players were that good we would win the super bowl.
He is rated higher than Atogwe too. I don’t get it, is there something about the guy people don’t personally like? He is not even being paid very much.
He is getting about 1/3 of weedle’s pay and providing about 90% of the production. Its a great signing we have some many other things to deal with over the next few years, its good to have this position signed up for the next few at least.
This draft is very deep at CB I think Dallas will get at least one good one and then that CB, Jenkins, Scandrik and Sensi will be the core of the secondary. That will be a big improvement.
Sensi is one of the better safeties in the league, I am not sure what people expect, but whatever it is it seems somewhat unrealistic at times.
by tucsonbandit on Dec 10, 2011 3:30 AM CST up reply actions
True
But basically I see it as we signed a JAG safety to a long-term deal we didn’t have to, it just doesn’t seem smart to me, it’s just my opinion though. I have premium PFF stats and yes I’ve looked at them and they tell me he’s a JAG, trust me, OCC saying he’s ranked 10th this year is cherry picking somewhat.
OCC is cherry picking stats to mislead us in a story?
Funny, the tone of what he wrote sounded to me like he wasn’t thrilled.
I'm not saying that at all
I’m just saying even PFF grades don’t really say Sensi is anything special. I don’t know OCC’s stance on the signing.
i really dont care as long as this team didnt throw ken hamilin money out there.
Is their someone else out their that you think we can get for the same price or cheaper? Remember what Eric weddle, Michael huff went for guy..
We know what we got In Sensi he played here for 3 years, the same for scandrick.. try finding players In free agency that can play on their level for their price????
You really can’t.. yea we have contracts with these guys but their not big cap absorbing contracts.we can rip these guys contracts up and not feel and pain ex. Paying TO almost 10 million dollars when we cut him.
by lostar2009 on Dec 10, 2011 5:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree
I think we can get similiar for less in FA, I think these are average players.
I don't get it
why is Sensi JAG?
by folkmademelovetheboys on Dec 10, 2011 5:05 AM CST up reply actions
Because
He has mostly been average throughout his career, and IMO has very average athletic ability. That’s pretty much the definition of a JAG.
REALLY?
IMO has very average athletic ability.
umm obviously you haven’t read my lastest post Ben….Sensabaugh is arguably one of the most athletic safetied in the league….
@ 6’ 214 lbs he put up the following numbers;
40 Yrd Dash: 4.44
20 Yrd Dash: 2.60
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 17
Vertical Jump: 46’
Broad Jump: 11’01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.98
3-Cone Drill: 6.80
to put that is context:
Eric Berry(top rated Safety in 2010)
Height: 5115
Weight: 211
40 Yrd Dash: 4.40
20 Yrd Dash: 2.51
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 19
Vertical Jump: 43
Broad Jump: 10’10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.23
3-Cone Drill: 6.80
So Sensabaugh would basically run step for step with Berry, just as strong, oh is better in coverage due to the better agility and Vertical…..
that is not what I call “Average athleticism”
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
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by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 10, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Sensi had the highest vetical leap EVER recorded for an NFL player @ 46"
by tucsonbandit on Dec 10, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
great post of the stats. i only remembered his vertical, isn’t that 2 inches less than Jordan?
by folkmademelovetheboys on Dec 10, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Here is to hoping we can snag Leron Landry from the 'Skins
He might make a pretty good addition to our team and could probably play either safety position, but probably a better fit at Free Safety as that is where he plays now and Sensabaugh could go back to SS which is what he played last season and had 5 picks. Not really going to be any good safeties in this years rookie crop anyway.
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Yep, we chose Sensabaugh
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 10, 2011 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
No way I want Landry..
Over Sensabaugh.
If we can get an Eric Berry, Earl Thomas (I know they aren’t FAs, so shoosh) , or a Woody clone. Then I’ll consider that an upgrade..
Until then, I don’t see a better option in the draft of FA, so this deal seems fair and needed.
Fear the Star
Give Sensabaugh a top notch pass rush...
…to play with and he’ll do just fine. We’re just not going to get hall of fame players at every position. These team has too many areas of need to address them all in the draft and/or free agency.
Upgrade the front 7 and CB and Sensi will be plenty serviceable.
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by gee-roj on Dec 10, 2011 8:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
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