Could Cleveland's Defensive Line Coach Bryan Cox be Headed to Dallas?
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2011 9:30 AM CST
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PrintYesterday the Cowboys announced the hiring of former Browns linebackers coach Matt Eberflus. A little later last night, the Browns announced that they were hiring four new assistant coaches. In addition, the Browns announced that they will retain defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson, running backs coach Gary Brown, tight ends coach Steve Hagen and offensive line coach George Warhop.
One of the new hires is Dwaine Board, who will be responsible for the defensive line, a position previously held by Bryan Cox under Rob Ryan. This means Bryan Cox is out as the defensive line coach in Cleveland.
Over the last few weeks, there had been speculation that Ryan may bring Cox and secondary coach Jerome Henderson as defensive assistants to Dallas with him. Henderson has obviously been re-signed, which leaves Bryan Cox as the odd man out in Cleveland, although there is no official word yet from the Browns on what will happen with him.
Bryan Cox just completed his second season as the Browns defensive line coach. He joined the Browns after spending three seasons on the New York Jets coaching staff as assistant defensive line coach (2006-08). Cox is a three-time All Pro and three-time Pro Bowl linebacker and brings the experience of a 12-year NFL career that is sure to get him a lot of respect from the Cowboys players.
This quote from the Cleveland Sports Examiner highlights what Cowboys fans could expect if Cox were to be hired in Dallas.
There may be fireworks in the locker room or on the field this year as Cox will light a fire under the defensive line to shut down the opponents' running game and get after their quarterback with a ferocity that exemplified his NFL career. And Cox is big, mean, and tough enough to demand it from anyone.
When was the last time somebody used the words "big, mean and tough" in the same sentence as "Dallas Cowboys defense"? Could Cox be on his way to Dallas right now, and if so, would you approve of this hiring?
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Hmmmm
When was the last time somebody used the words “big, mean and tough” in the same sentence as “Dallas Cowboys defense”?
The 70’s?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Could go for a little Doom in our D
Aside from the “We’re doomed”…
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90's
Don’t get me wrong, I love me some 70’s Doomday D. But the D from the 90’s SB teams were pretty darned “big, mean, and tough” and since it included Charles Haley, let’s throw a little bit of crazy in there too. And we would have to include fast since Deion was on that team.
I respectfully disagree with the 90's
We had a pretty good D under Jimmy, but the Doomsday D wasn’t pretty good, they were outstanding. The played every game with fire and enthusiasm and a downright mean streak. That’s why they won so much for so long. They even played well enough to beat the consensus all-time “best team” in NFL history, the 70’s Steelers. We should have won the SuperBowl where Jackie Smith dropped the TD in the endzone and when we weren’t playing the Steelers in the SB, we crushed the competition. I still love watching Randy White, Too Tall and Harvey Martin destroying the Donkos and Craig Mortsenson. It’s why Donko fans hate the Cowboys to this day! If Ryan and whoever he hires makes our D 3/4 of what Doomsday was, we’ll win multiple SB’s IMO. BTW, I love Haley and what he did for our team. I think he should be in the Ring of Honor and the NFL Hall of Fame.
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by CapnComebackII on Feb 1, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
+1
On so many things you said. Cheers to the Doomsday D, if we can become that again SB contention is very realistic.
Also, it is a shame Haley hasn’t been garnered with the honors and respect he deserves. By the way, he stopped by a few times during the offseason and is on meds so not suffering from bipolar disorder…that would be an interesting expirement of a Former Player/D Line coach.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
+1
i remember watching the Doomsday D & although i loved the 90s D it wasn’t nowhere like the 70s D.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
They also benefitted immensely from the rules at the time
The most famous defenses of all time all played in the early to late 70’s – Pittsburgh’s Steel Curtain, Dallas’ Doomsday Defense, Minnesota’s Purple People Eaters and the Rams’ Fearsome Foursome – after the sweeping rule changes in 1978 made this a much more offense-friendly league, the modern day defenses did not approach the level of defense their predecessors once played.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
+1
the good ole days when the DB could actually play & WR’s would go over the middle.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
i hope Dez has a little H.Ward in his game.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I'm ok with reverting to old rules...
get a chance to judge apples to apples. Bring it on.
Curious how the offenses would stack up, to boot. Game on.
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uh I don't know about that......
in the 70’s you got: Bob Lilly, Jethro Pugh, Randy White, LeRoy Jordan, Chuck Howley, Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin, Larry Coleman to name a few. There’s some pretty impressive players in that bunch.
they were impreesive no doubt
but the 90s defenses were just as good IMO. Haley, Lett, Jeffcoat, Norton, Woodson…all bad men
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Sign me up!
The aggressive nature of Rob Ryan is a big reason why I have hope that the Dallas Def can become a feirce unit…something that hasn’t been for a VERY long time. Even when we were good, we were never Steelers/Ravens knock you in the mouth scary good.
Like we said with Garrett, if he is on board signing Ryan then it’s a good move. As such, if Ryan wants Bryan Cox, then I approve of the hiring. Let’s get the defense fired up! Like you said,
When was the last time somebody used the words “big, mean and tough” in the same sentence as “Dallas Cowboys defense”?
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
PS
I think this is what the Dallas Def needs WAY more than a #9 draft pick like Jordan or Von Miller. It is an identity and coaching issue. Get them nasty, hungry, and angry. If you look at the # of 1st round picks we already have on our Def, we actually have more talent there than most teams. We need good coaching and scheming to train, motivate, and utilize them better!
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
ive been saying that for years
the coaching never put the players in a position to succeed
good coaching is a huge part of a good team
by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
i haven't been on the Miller bandwagon but Ware & Miller at OLB would be dangerous.
Clay Matthews was around the same size as Miller coming out of college & he turned into a highlight reel for the Packers. having 2 dominate pass rushers that have the ability to cover with a huge body like P.Taylor would be hard to defend.
Ware OLB, Miller OLB, Spencer, OLB/DL, Ratliff DL, Taylor DL, Bowen DL, Lissemore DL & maybe 1 other run stopper would be seriously lethal with great coaching.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
+1
thanks
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
the wildcard could be Ratliff
Rob could play Ratliff at NT or DE to create serious problems for the OLine. Ratliff, Taylor & Brent would be like a brick wall in short yardage situations
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Our run defense has been stout at times, a sieve at others.
I can only assume that an attitude would improve them. Lissemore has some versatility too. And I like his natural nasty streak. He may have the biggest attitude on the defense. I remember his statement after the draft. “I just like to lay some folks out.”
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Good Calls WW
On Lissemore & Josh Brent!
If those 2 young guys continue to develop, and improve the DL would look pretty good.
It will be interesting to see how Ryan decides to use the existing assets…and those that may follow, along w/new draftees. Brent may be a real dynamo.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
With out list of needs...
at offensive line, safety, cornerback, and inside backer, I think we have to evaluate what we have with the young d-lineman. It’s risky, but as far as a pass rush goes, I’d like to give Ryan a chance to see what he can get out of Spencer. As you say, if Brent develops he could be a plugger. I’d like to see what we have with McCann and Teddy Williams at cornerback too. Them boys got some serious speed.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Would have been nice to get Henderson in here...
but yeah sign me up for Cox.
He was a nasty dude as a player. Time for some attitude on defense.
Yeah...
There may be fireworks in the locker room or on the field this year as Cox will light a fire under the defensive line to shut down the opponents’ running game and get after their quarterback with a ferocity that exemplified his NFL career. And Cox is big, mean, and tough enough to demand it from anyone.
Works for me.
Cox works
for me as well. We need some guys to light the fires and keep them lit!
Disappointed in Henderson being retained. I would love to dump Campo!!
what the hell are they waiting for
you read the last paragraph
thats what im talking about
motivating players, showing EMOTION, putting your players in a position to succeed
jesus christ I have been waiting for this for a long time
Garrett and Ryan are putting together a great staff here
and we get the 9th pick in the draft
man I pumped up right now
future is looking bright, and the present
Wade Phillips, can you believe we even had a guy like that here? ugh I wanna smack Wade so hard, that liquid fat excretes from his skin
by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions
you can't blame Wade for taking the job.
it was a bad situation from the start with the way Jerry put the staff together but i give Jerry a lot of credit for seeing where he went wrong & fixing it. Wade is still one of the best Xs & Os coaches in the NFL & he did have a really good W/L record for a head coach but he just wasn’t the right man for the type of players on this team. i put the bulk of the blame on the players for not acting like professionals & it raises some serious questions about some of the players on this team.
always remember the reason a coach gets hired is the also the same reason they get fired.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Wade's a good man
Gave his heart and soul to the star. Bottom line is he wasn’t good enough.
He didn’t win so he got fired. That’s the way it works for the Cowboys—we expect SBs.
But I think you are wrong in your vitriol towards Wade. He’s a good man. He’s gone so just leave it alone.
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Uhhh, Chia...
listen, man, no offense, but your animosity towards Phillips may be justified in your eyes, but it’s fulla sh!t. Watched him from when he first came into NFL, seen him in many a situation and though I’ve never met the man in person, based on all avaliable evidence to date (ex-players under him and on other teams, anecdotal, eyeball test, etc) he’s a decent stand-up guy. Has long impressed me as a poster child for the Peter Principle, but as an X/O’s DC there’s been few finer, esp over as long a period of time.
Look, you’re bigger than letting your venting go to personal slightings, the fat comments and such. It’ll make your argument at least seem stronger when those kinds of things are put aside.
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Cox is up in the air
but he sounds good. Okay, so we lost Henderson. I know they have big nasties in mind to fill out the staff. Finally, a little attitude. Leadership. No more of this ‘We police ourselves’ bullshit.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
i would absolutely love to get this defense to have a mean streak
this deffense has had no swagger for a few years, its time to get that back. the little speach brroking does is nice but it does nothing compared to that being preached all week long for the full year.
swagger is a easy word to use when a team has a season like this
iirc last season this defense was like #2 in the NFL for not allowing points. the main stat in winning is the most points scored on offense & points not allowed on defense.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Wasn’t a fan of Cox’s trash talking routine when he was a player.
Personally my favorite coaches are professionals like Joe Gibbs/Bill Walsh/Belichick.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 1, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions
if i remember correctly
he use to get up for games by imaging that his wife was raped by the opps QB or some such…….might be a little overboard
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
I like Belicheck
one of my favorite coaches of all time
I would of loved to play for him
im also a big Mike Tomlin fan
by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I like Belicheck
one of my favorite coaches of all time
I would of loved to play for him
im also a big Mike Tomlin fan
by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Worked once
Recollect we had a D assistant coach back when that was on that side of the ball as a player. Line, not backer. Not same attitude, but similar intensity. And not equating the two, given one’s in HOF and had maybe a touch more class. Then again, player vs coach, age, maturity, well, there’s more left in this guy’s story…
But decent passrushing OLB, decent runstuffing ILB, bit of attitude, seeming decent coaching-wise so far. Big-head like Mangini figures he fits as DL coach, who am I to say otherwise?
JG/RR make the call, I wouldn’t complain.
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Damn straight
I’d approve of this hire.
Damn straight
I want the words “big, mean and tough” in the same sentence as the “Dallas Cowboys defense.”
Damn straight
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
Think Cox would be a great hire
This guy played the game with passion and was a little dirty this is what this defense needs. The Cowboys defense hasn’t played like this in a long time. Love the hire of Rob Ryan and i’m with most of you i want Dave Campo gone.
won't matter who we hire as defensive coaches
unless we find a really good safety to replace Ball
In Romo we Trust
Let me fix that for ya
“a really good decent safety to replace Ball”
Then again, how many eyes would widen if there was diddly done at safety and coaching… – ahhh, forget I said anything… – I still want a Weddle/Huff…
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BS
1. Depends on the definitions of “really good” and “decent”.
2. Not every position needs to be really good to make a good unit. (see: team)
3. Lynch, Waters, Jackson, Hamlin,… (Lott they’re not)
Give me lunchbucket workers, I’ll beat your diva-stars more times than not. Let me sprinkle in a few “really good” and I’ll make it 7 to 8 outta 10 times.
Could be because I expect more of people and your “really good” equates to my “decent”.
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Yes to Brian
I approve Brian Cox also. The need for bad mofos at the Ranch is at a premium right now. Let RR have some familiarity with his staff to smooth the transition to Dallas.
Cowboys have to get back to drafting PLAYMAKERS, not these projects of the last decade.
Wow, that would be the best news of the offseason.
I want a mean, nasty D that opponents fear and expect to get bruised by. Brian Cox was a pitbull, love it.
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