Finding Playmakers In The 2011 Draft For The Dallas Cowboys
KaptainKirk, a staff writer for SB Nation's excellent Broncos blog Mile High Report, wrote a very interesting post yesterday titled "Finding Playmakers For The Broncos Using The Production Ratio". I liked it so much that I asked for, and received permission to copy his data and present it here.
What KaptainKirk did is take a statistic called 'Production Ratio' as proposed by NFL.com's Pat Kirwan in his book titled "Take Your Eye Off the Ball" and apply it to the 2011 draft class.
The Production Ratio is really a very simple formula that adds up sacks and tackles-for-loss and divides them by number of college games played. The resulting ratio is one tool among many - albeit a pretty good one - that measures the playmaking potential of front seven players coming out of college. After the break we look at how many defensive line playmakers will be available for the Cowboys in the draft - and there may be less than you think.
If the Cowboys stay in the ninth spot for the draft, chances are good that they'll draft a defensive lineman. Robert Quinn (although he projects as a 3-4 OLB), Cameron Jordan, Marcell Dareus and even J.J. Watt are all names that frequently pop up in mock drafts in the ninth spot. But are they the playmakers that you want to make sure you get with such a high draft pick?
The Production Ratio for front seven players is good indicator for just what the Cowboys could be getting, and it is calculated as follows:
(SACKS + TACKLES FOR LOSS) / NUMBER OF GAMES PLAYED = PRODUCTION RATIO
What you want in a Production Ratio is a score of 1.0 or better. Effectively, a score of 1.0 says that a player recorded one splash play in the defensive backfield per game.The higher the number, the better.
But before we look at the 2011 draft class, let's look at the Cowboys 2010 starting lineup at DL & OLB and their college Production Ratio. What stands out immediately is that the Cowboys front five were all picked very high, with Ratliff being the odd man out. Three first rounders in Ware, Spears and Spencer - and Igor was taken at the very top of the second round.
| Draft Round / Pick | Player | Pos | School | SKS | TFL | Games | P. Ratio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Round: 1 / Pick: 11 | DeMarcus Ware |
ROLB | Troy | 27.5 | 57 | 43 | 1.96 |
| Round: 2 / Pick: 35 | Igor Olshansky | RDE | Oregon | 11.5 | 27 | 38 | 1.01 |
| Round: 7 / Pick: 224 | Jay Ratliff | NT | Auburn | 2 | 15 | 34 | 0.50 |
| Round: 1 / Pick: 20 | Marcus Spears | LDE | LSU | 19 | 34.5 | 48 | 1.11 |
| Round: 1 / Pick: 26 | Anthony Spencer |
DE | Purdue | 21 | 44 | 47 | 1.38 |
Not unsurprisingly, all the high picks had a Production Ratio in college above 1.0. Granted, Olshansky and Spears are barely above the 1.0 mark, but those are still pretty good numbers. Intuitively, I believe those numbers make sense: Ratliff did not have a stellar college career and only really blossomed when moved from DE to NT in Dallas. Ware's numbers show why he is the monster that he is, and also show why Spencer may never reach the lofty statistical heights that Ware regularly reaches.
Olshansky and Spears, more than good enough in college, are perhaps somewhat limited by their roles as DE's in a 3-4. Here’s an excerpt of something Ross Tucker wrote for SI.com a while back about the difference between 3-4 and 4-3 DE's:
Defensive lineman in the 3-4 are taught to play off the blockers in front of them and as such the position is not nearly as fun as a 4-3 gap-penetrating scheme in which they just line up between offensive linemen and attempt to wreak havoc in the backfield.
... Their statistical numbers, especially in terms of both tackles for loss and sacks, would be far below their [4-3 DE] peers as a result of the difference in scheme.
2011 Defensive Ends
Now on to this year's draft class. The following table was compiled by KaptainKirk and shows the current top ranked defensive ends, sorted by their CBS Draft Rankings (OVR is the overall ranking on the CBS big board). For your reference, last year's highest drafted DE, Tyson Alualu had a 0.81 ratio.
| OVR | Player | Pos | School | SKS | TFL | Games | P. Ratio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3 | Da'Quan Bowers | DE | Clemson | 19.5 | 43.5 | 37 | 1.70 |
| 6 | Robert Quinn | DE | No. Carolina | 13 | 25.5 | 25 | 1.54 |
| 13 | Cameron Jordan | DE | California | 17.5 | 34 | 50 | 1.03 |
| 17 | Adrian Clayborn | DE | Iowa | 19 | 37.5 | 51 | 1.11 |
| 20 | Ryan Kerrigan | DE | Purdue | 37.5 | 55.5 | 48 | 1.94 |
| 22 | J.J. Watt | DE | Wisconsin | 11.5 | 36.5 | 26 | 1.85 |
| 27 | Cameron Heyward | DE | Ohio St. | 15.5 | 37.5 | 52 | 1.02 |
| 41 | Jabaal Sheard | DE | Pittsburgh | 19.5 | 35.5 | 46 | 1.19 |
| 44 | Christian Ballard | DE | Iowa | 12 | 21.5 | 49 | 0.68 |
| 61 | Allen Bailey | DE | Miami (Fla.) | 20 | 30 | 61 | 0.82 |
| 70 | Sam Acho | DE | Texas | 20 | 40 | 49 | 1.22 |
Couple of things stand out here. Based on these Production Ratios, you're looking at elite talent in Bowers and Quinn, and it's no surprise they'll both likely be taken in the top 10. Ryan Kerrigan's numbers are very surprising, but at 255 lbs he is one of the lightest DE's in the draft, and not an option at DE for a 3-4 team. But he might make an outstanding 3-4 OLB if his Production Ratio is anything to go by.
Another thought to consider (again with the caveat that Production Ratio is only one part of the total picture) is that purely based on these numbers, it doesn't look like drafting a DE with the 9th pick would be a marked improvement over the DE's the Cowboys already have - unless they're named Bowers or Quinn, and Quinn would be an OLB anyway. Thankfully, we have the Combine in a couple of weeks that will give us some more metrics to look at. And of course, there's always film to look at too.
2011 Defensive Tackles
Same principle here as with the defensive ends above. Again for reference, last year's #2 pick Ndamukong Suh scored 1.53 over his college career. He also just walked away with the Defensive Rookie of the Year award for 2010, and if you watched the Cowboys - Lions game, you can't not have been impressed by the guy. Here are the top ranked DT's of 2011.
| OVR | Player | Pos | School | SKS | TFL | Games | P. Ratio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | Nick Fairley | DT | Auburn | 13 | 27.5 | 27 | 1.50 |
| 5 | Marcell Dareus | DT | Alabama | 11 | 20 | 33 | 0.93 |
| 23 | Corey Liuget | DT | Illinois | 8.5 | 25.5 | 36 | 0.94 |
| 37 | Stephen Paea | DT | Oregon St. | 15 | 30.5 | 38 | 1.20 |
| 42 | Phil Taylor | DT | Baylor | 5.5 | 16 | 37 | 0.58 |
| 45 | Drake Nevis | DT | LSU | 12 | 29.5 | 45 | 0.92 |
| 49 | Muhammad Wilkerson | DT | Temple | 17 | 26 | 36 | 1.94 |
| 65 | Marvin Austin | DT | No. Carolina | 9 | 13.5 | 38 | 0.59 |
| 68 | Jurrell Casey | DT | USC | 8 | 22 | 38 | 0.79 |
| 79 | Kenrick Ellis | DT | Hampton | 7 | 37.5 | 43 | 1.03 |
| 90 | Jarvis Jenkins | DT | Clemson | 4.5 | 23.5 | 48 | 0.53 |
| 97 | Jerrell Powe | DT | Mississippi | 6 | 24 | 37 | 0.81 |
At first glance, it would appear that based on these numbers, Fairley might follow the same trajectory as Suh did, but that is not quite the case and brings us to some of the limitations of the Production Ratio.
Suh's 1.53 was achieved over 53 college games, Fairley's 1.50 in 'only' 27 games. Also, if you take just Suh's junior and senior year stats then his ratio was an astonishing 2.24. You can look at these numbers in many different ways: total games, only games started, only last two years etc. and all will deliver different results.
Did you know for example that Ratliff originally began his Auburn career as a tight end, moved to defensive end as a sophomore and then to defensive tackle in his final season? How do you account for that with these stats?
Muhammad Wilkerson has an amazing number, but you'll probably have to factor into that number the fact that Temple is playing in the MAC, which may not have quite the level of competition the SEC has. Then again, Troy isn't exactly a powerhouse either and produced DeMarcus Ware and the Giants' Osi Umenyiora (1.33).
This formula, like every other stat-based projective tool, is not going to be a perfect predictor of how successful these players are going to be in the NFL, and Jay Ratliff is just one example for this. But it does give you something to think about as you evaluate these players and their potential.
With the ninth pick, the Cowboys must draft a playmaker, or trade down. The Production Ratio may be one building block in identifying who that playmaker will be - and who won't.
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Interesting stuff
Great work, OCC.
Relating to the Ratliff flaw regarding games accounted at TE, wouldn’t it be an easy fix to only include games where he is listed on the D-Line?
Another consideration – some guys start their college career as rotational D-linemen and won’t start until at least their sophomore (or sometimes even junior) year. I know this may be a pain (and the statkeeping probably may not be there yet), but wouldn’t it be more efficient to base the production ratio off of number of SNAPS played instead of number of GAMES played? A mediocre lineman at a lesser program playing a full game is likely to record as many, if not more, splash plays than a quality lineman at a big program playing in a rotation.
by Combine_Warrior on Feb 10, 2011 6:32 AM CST reply actions
Good points
I believe Ratliff’s 34 games exclude the twelve games he appeared in as a tight end (catching two passes for 20 yards).
Snaps is obviously the better measure than games played, but I don’t think that data is available anywhere. But if you’re a team that’s looking at a similar stat to this one, you’d better make sure you’re not comparing apples to oranges.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 10, 2011 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
Would it be possible...
To see the breakdowns based on each year for each player? It would show a possible progression, to see if the player plateaued early or got better each year.
You can look up the numbers in Scott Wright’s draftcountdown.com site. Here’s the link to Robert Quinn’s stats.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 10, 2011 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
As you so adroitly point out in your post:
“Their statistical numbers, especially in terms of both tackles for loss and sacks, would be far below their [4-3 DE] peers as a result of the difference in scheme.”
The only 3-4 DE on your list of defensive ends, is Cameron Jordan. The rest played in a base 4-3 package.
In addition, Kerrigan was considered Iowa’s Spencer to Clayborn, who played the role of Demarcus Ware as a college defensive end. In other words, Clayborn (like Cameron Heyward of The Ohio State University) commanded the bulk of the double teams in the Big Ten.
As usual: I like the post. ;-)
Dareus is
a DT, he said that Jordon was the only DE to play in 3-4, so he was correct in his statement
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
No Dareus was a 3-4 DE at Alabama. I know I am a fan and watched every game.
Also I think Temple runs a 3-4, but not sure. If they did Wilkerson would qualify as well.
Kerrigan was considered Iowa’s Spencer to Clayborn
I’m totally lost. What do you mean by this? Kerrigan played for Perdue?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 10, 2011 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
I believe he meant “complimentary/secondary pass rusher” where Demarcus Ware and Adrian Clayborn were the “primary pass rusher” for their respective teams.
Weren’t Kerrigan and Claybord on different teams though?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 10, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Other fine post
good data to look at, do you think the DT from Temple will last till the top half of the second round ? If we end up trading back to get a OT in the first, he might be a very interesting pick up in the second
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Wilkerson - Temple
I was hoping he would be around at the top of the 3rd for us, but seems he may end up as a 2nd rounder – combine will tell.
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occ, very interesting stuff
One comment I would make is Cam Jordan is playing in the 3-4 as a DE so of course Quinn and Bowers numbers will be better. Comparing apples to oranges on that one IMO. Also, Heyward out OSU plays in a modified 3-4. The DE opposite him is basically a 3-4 rush backer.
Dareus also plays in a 3-4.
by The Triplets on Feb 10, 2011 9:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions
To me this is close to useless
so somebody gets three sack against The Little Sisters of the Poor and his stats go up?
IMHO this can only be used to eliminate some poor players.
players on great defenses will have better nos. because they won’t get double teamed.
After film study,scouts evaluationall star game performances and performance at the Combine are used to rate a player then these stats may confirm his ability to play in the NFL.
Look at Acho,his stats went down this year because his team got behind a lot and the other teams chose to run the ball.
I just don’t see how it can be used to compare players equally
by TCB Orange Dino on Feb 10, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions
Based on the numbers I think...
Sam Acho looks like good quality in a later round.
Stephen Paea second rounder?
Kerrigan and Nevis are intriguing as defensive line selections.
Do we have any metrics similar to this to look at secondary?
Production Ratio is a good stat but
it gets more accurate when you include Short Shuttle and Vertical Leap. We have to wait for the Combine for that though. Another metric I’ve seen included and weighed as relevant is “games missed” that covers injuries, class problems, and legal issues. Junior College is also bad.
Suh was a better prospect that Fairley. My prediction is that Da’Quan Bowers and Von Miller are going to be the best pass rushers with long NFL careers in this draft class. Neither missed games, or had suspensions or questions. Over time, Von Miller will probably emerge as even better than Bowers, as Bowers wasn’t particularly hot his first two years and only emerged this year. While Von has been good his whole career, and especially his Junior and Senior year.
Fairley is great but he has a 50% chance of being Courtney Brown, former #1 DT, career under achiever
Absolutely
Fan in Thick and Thin is a great proponent of those Combine measurements, and I’m sure we’ll look at them in great detail when they are available. For now this is what we have, with all the caveats I’ve included in every second sentence.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 10, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I think these are great.
The strongest factor in the sackseer model is actually ‘games missed’.
I don’t know the relative strength of the factors but it’s entirely possible that college sack rate (or something like this playermaker score) would be a stronger factor than the athletic markers (i.e. short shuttle & vertical).
So I’m a proponent of using all the information … it all goes together.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 10, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
actually the ideal stat is lateral agility
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/04/06/lateral-agility-trumps-40-yard-speed-on-football-f
you subtract the 20 yard shuttle from the 40 yard dash
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
One thing I think people overlook with most dominant 3-4 DE's is their Height.
Most of your true stud DE’s are 6’2 or taller.
Haloti Ngata is 6’4 350
Ty Warren 6’5 300lb
The GB duo of Jenkins and Pickett are actually the only guys under 6’4 that I can find. They are both 6’2.
Luis Catillo is 6’3 300
Ziggy Hood is 6’3 300
Darnell Docket is 6’4 305
CAlais Campbell is 6’8.
I do think that it is a factor when looking at which 4-3 DTs can make the transition.
true
gotta have it to bat down those passes-one of the most underrated plays in a football game.
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Kerrigan's numbers are not surprising
He has been dominant the past few years and has been called the best defesive player in Purdue history.
I think Wilkerson could catapault himself into the top 15 with a strong combine. He has great size and fantastic production the past two years (he was not a one year wonder). If he blows away scouts at the combine he could make a huge leap. I would keep an eye on that.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
How are these guys production ratio as pros....
and how does that compare to other NFL players – particularly available free agents this off-season?
class in session- great post sir
Very pleased to see that my pet cat Kenrick Ellis received such a good grade. I’m a big proponent of picking him up in the 4th to work behind Rat for a bit.
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Not that it means anything but
Kerrigan looked good at some skills challenge friday night on BSPN (I think, I was in a sports bar).
But I do think strength of schedule (conference) needs to be taken into account. Look how DWare was almost a full point above our guys from the Pac-10 and SEC (not going to compare him to the NT, Ratliff).
So Wilkerson (MAC) and even more so Kerrigan (Big-10) look good being so close to 2.0. I know we don’t need an OLB, but if Kerrigan is there after the 3rd round…….
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by fan since '65 on Feb 10, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Always been kinda fond of...
number of HOF induction votes. There’s a stat I’ll lend about 90% credibility to as to whether a guy’s a “playmaker”.
The rest of them, that’s just guessing. Eeney-meeney-miney-moe…
Point After (rule change): You score, you kick. Debate welcomed.

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