Wes Bunting Mock Draft No. 3: Tyron Smith To Cowboys
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 16, 2011 10:00 PM CDT
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Wes Bunting released his mock draft version 3.0 today. Wes Bunting is the National Football Post's draft guru, and is ranked at the very top of draftniks we pay attention to here at BTB, which gives his opinion a little more weight than we give most other mock drafts.
Bunting of course knows how to deliver a mock draft that gets people talking, and of course his mock contains a couple of surprises and some interesting picks. His top pick from version 2.0, Cam Newton, drops to number five. Blaine Gabbert is also off the board ahead of the Cowboys pick, which pushes a couple of blue chip prospects Dallas' way.
With the 9th pick in the 2011 draft, the Cowboys take Tyron Smith. Bunting writes:
It’s rare to find an offensive tackle with Smith’s dimensions, length and overall movement skills. He still possesses plenty of upside to his game and with some time could end up being one of the better offensive tackles in the league.
Other notable selections
- At pick #10, the Redskins get Robert Quinn, the second OLB taken after Von Miller. Quinn and Orakpo could form a formidable pass rushing duo in Washington, and for this reason alone it's a good idea for the Cowboys to invest in some protection for Tony Romo.
- By the Giants' turn at pick #19, the two top tackles, Smith and Castonzo are already gone and the Giants pick Nate Solder.
- In a draft class that's supposedly stocked with defensive talent, Bunting has eight (!) offensive linemen going in the first round. The Eagles come up empty in the O-line sweepstakes but make a very solid pick with Brandon Harris.
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Thanks...
But no thanks… You can keep him. Ill take Prince at nine or trade down.
by Holyfield Chris on Mar 16, 2011 10:15 PM CDT reply actions
ugh
yeah your damn straight
Orakpo and Quinn? we better have a RT next year
damn I have a feeling Brandon Harris is a Eagle or Raven
if he goes to the Eagles it is bad news because their secondary is talented
by Archie Barberio on Mar 16, 2011 10:25 PM CDT reply actions
But it means they won't sign Nnamndi...
I know, just a small silver lining, but it’s somehting
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I'd be good with that.
Free and Smith would give us a great pair of Tackles for the next several years. We’ve got the talented QB and we’ve got the talented HC/OC. Let’s give them some talented protection to work their magic.
Doesn’t matter how great the QB or play-call is if a DE gets around the corner in under 2 seconds.
yeah
Free and Smith would be the best LT RT combo in the NFL, athletic too so you can move them in space
by Archie Barberio on Mar 17, 2011 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Free is a good LT and if Smith ended up pushing him to RT
that would be a damn good pair of bookends. Arguably the most important positions on the offense. QB time ==> everything else works.
We'll likely lose Smith if we trade back
Washington, Detroit and Minny all would seriously consider Smith. If we want Smith, we have to take him at 9.
Now if we rate Smith equal to say, Costanzo and Solder, then by all means trade down and take the one who’s left over.
+1
All depends on the diff values the Cowboys put on the diff OTs
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
I never thought about Wash taking him
all things considered, I’d rather have T. Smith than Trent Williams. The skins would have a formidable pair of tackles with those two.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Not to mention...
they are already thin at OL and Jamaal Brown is a FA. He’s only 29 but has already had significant injury issues.
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by lonewolfz28 on Mar 18, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a goo point
it’s not just protection, but opening the holes and getting to the second level for RBs. This offense could be scary with a little more competent blocking.
Don't believe everything you think.
I would like this pick
But I think there is a chance that Patrick Peterson could drop to 6 or 7. Cam, Fairley, Dareus, Gabbert, Von Miller and AJ Green could before him.
If we can get the close I would seriously try to trade up.
I hope the CBA gets done OR the judge forces the lockout to end so we could hear this:
THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS HAVE TRADED THE 7TH PICK TO THE DALLAS COWBOYS AND WITH THE 7TH THE COWBOYS SELECT PATRICK PETERSON CB LSU.
I’m not a draft expert but would the cowboys 1st round, 2nd round and T-New get us up to the 7th? Once again this is IF the CBA gets finished or if the court decides to end the lockout and force the NFL to play under 2009 or 2010 rules.
COWBOYS 2010
Minimum 2 Kegs And Counting....
According to the supposed Draft Value Chart...
Pick 7 has a value of 1500 points and Pick 9 has a value of 1350 points. The difference being 150.
Dallas’s third round pick is valued at around 220 or 230 depending on exactly where they pick that round. So according to the chart a third round pick should cover the move. That’s if San Fran is interested of course, they may just want him for themselves.
that I would do
a third round pick to get Peterson? yeah I would personally fly to San Francisco to make that deal
the only thing is Dallas better be ready to trade a 2012 pick or picks to move up for a OT in the late first or early second
by Archie Barberio on Mar 17, 2011 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
If Dallas really has Peterson as the Number One player in the draft and the third gets him then I think they’d do it. But I agree with you, if they do it, they need to find another way to move there Second up to get a Tackle also. Peterson might be too good to pass up but a Tackle is too big of an issue to ignore.
Might be able to pick up a decent OT prospect at 40.
Not my first choice, but for Patrick Peterson I’ll make an exception.
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Chia
If there is not a CBA in place at the time of the draft, I know you cant trade players, but I though that i read somewhere on BTB that you cant deal next years picks as well. But Im not sure where I read it.
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
I know I brought that up in a comment
But I was only speculating. Since with no CBA there technically is no 2012 draft, I would think you can’t use 2012 draft picks as compensation in a trade. I haven’t heard this talked about by any experts yet. But it was brought up to me that if the players win the injunction on April 6th, all football activities would resume, so 2012 picks would probably become legal tender again.
I ran into a group of men trying to take an old lady's purse and decided it was my duty to help out. She was a tough old broad, but in the end we got her purse.
LOL thanks for the knowledge
Clear as mud :-)
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
haha exactly
I ran into a group of men trying to take an old lady's purse and decided it was my duty to help out. She was a tough old broad, but in the end we got her purse.
I still say he doesn't fall that far.
He’s the best player in the draft IMO. I can’t see him getting out of the top 5. But if he does, hell yeah. Trade up.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Also I don't think the CBA completely affects draft day trades.
Unless I am mistaken, teams will still be able to trade picks. Just not players.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I was under the impression with no CBA
there were also no trades of future picks. I’m not sure if that is valid, but it makes sense in essence.
Semper Fi Do or Die
I swear to god
if I got Peterson and moved up for Carimi, I would trade my whole draft for those 2 guys, even a future 2nd IF i had too
by Archie Barberio on Mar 17, 2011 2:07 AM CDT reply actions
I don't know about all that.
We need help in several other areas as well. Don’t get me wrong, I’d LOVE to have those two. But I just couldn’t give up that much. That’s too much. We still need help inside on the O-line, on the D-line, at ILB, in the secondary, at K. Giving up the whole draft for two players when you have so many needs…I just can’t get behind that one, no matter how much I want both of those guys.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Cuz that worked so well for Da Coach and Ricky Williams or
Minn and H Walker….no thanks, not trading whole draft for one or two players
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
If Peterson falls far enough
to where We don’t have to use our third rounder….it would be easy to move back into the first…
"And one should bear in mind that there is nothing more difficult to execute, nor more dubious of success, nor more dangerous to administer than to introduce a new order to things; for he who introduces it has all those who profit from the old order as his enemies; and he has only lukewarm allies in all those who might profit from the new. This lukewarmness partly stems from fear of their adversaries, who have the law on their side, and partly from the skepticism of men, who do not truly believe in new things unless they have personal experience in them."
Niccolo Machiavelli
by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 17, 2011 4:02 AM CDT reply actions
though According to Wes
Von Miller falls to #7…. if so we could jump to #6 using the 9th, 71st, and 171st……just saying…
"And one should bear in mind that there is nothing more difficult to execute, nor more dubious of success, nor more dangerous to administer than to introduce a new order to things; for he who introduces it has all those who profit from the old order as his enemies; and he has only lukewarm allies in all those who might profit from the new. This lukewarmness partly stems from fear of their adversaries, who have the law on their side, and partly from the skepticism of men, who do not truly believe in new things unless they have personal experience in them."
Niccolo Machiavelli
by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 17, 2011 4:11 AM CDT reply actions
Wes Bunting Chat
Don’t miss Raf’s chat with Wes at Cowboys Nation, with more of his thoughts on Smith, and some of the other team’s picks and later round prospects at other positions based on his mock.
CN: A repeat question, but I think it’s good to re-visit it. You’re asked to compare Tyron Smith to the top tackles from last year’s class.
WB: I’d probably have him number two. I’d have Russell Okung over him, because he’s a senior, he’s a little more polished and more NFL-ready. I think Tyron Smith has some more upside but my top tackles last year were Okung, Roger Saffold and Smith’s USC bookend Charles Brown.
I think Smith is better than those two. Maybe a more athletic version of Roger Saffold, with more upside, is how I’d say he plays.
Yep, T. Smith's potential is sky high
and he is day one ready. Not sure why people think he is a reach at #9.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
because he's not NFL ready
He’s very young with little experience so he’ll take a while to develop. If you think we could just replace him Colombo and see dramatic improvement at the RT position, you’re kdding yourself.
This kid will need time to grow as an NFL tackle…I think Castonzo and Carimi are a lot more pro ready although their ceilings aren’t as high.
I personally think there will be better players that can help us more immediately at #9 than Smith.
In Romo we Trust
Not sure who's kidding themselves
If you think the #1 or #2 OT prospect in the draft isn’t ready to play RT and play it better than Colombo. It is a much further stretch than assuming the opposite.
Yes, he has room to grow, yes he will have some growing pains, but there is little reason to believe he isn’t an immediate upgrade from Colombo. So if we take an OT at #9, I would prefer it be the one with the highest ceiling, even if he is fractionally less ready than another OT day 1. You draft for the future, not only the present.
Where we most disagree – I don’t think there are other players that will fall to #9 that provide as big an upgrade to our team…if you also consider our current roster.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I disagree
Smith is as green as grass, it takes a lot more than physical talent to play in the NFL at a high level. While I agree he would be an upgrade from Colombo, it wouldn’t be as great as you think his rookie year.
There will definitely be a defensive player with a higher grade than Smith at 9 who can help us immediately this season, no question about it as I see at least 4 offensive players being taken in the top 8. That will leave us with a stud defensive player at 9 should we elect not to trade down.
In Romo we Trust
Being green
and showing on tape good technique, balance, footwork, hand placement are two very different things. Every prospect is green since none have played in the NFL.
As for the higher grade than Smith…on who’s board? Plenty of boards show T. Smith with a better grade than Prince. And there is plenty of question on whether 4 offensive players are taken in the top 8. I would bet a lot that there won’t be 4.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
If we took Smith over Prince I would throw myself off the roof..what a terrible reach that would be...
Jerry isn’t blowing his wad on a first round OL anyway….good luck with that!
I hope you live in a one story building
prince isn’t that much better than DBs available in 2nd and 3rd rounds. T. Smith is much better than 2nd and 3rd OTs. 2nd and 3rd round DBs will be able to contribute day 1, 2nd and 3rd OTs are a liability day 1.
Depending what board you are looking at, Prince is a bigger reach at #9 than T. Smith
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I don't see how he's a reach if he's rated better than everybody except for one tackle from last year
He’s rated better than Trent Williams who went 4. He’s a top 10 talent
by somebodyquiet on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Keg you know as well as I do some prospects are more green than others
Guys like Castonzo and Carimi who are more polished and experienced will have better rookie years than Smith even though Smith might ultimately turn out to be a better player after a few years.
And I wasn’t talking about Prince when referring to a stud defensive player sliding to 9. Guys like Dareus, Fairley, Miller and Quinn could possibly slide to 9 and they all have better grades than Smith by every draft expert.
In Romo we Trust
Having one year less experience (junior vs. senior) does not necessarily mean less polished. And with the #9 pick, I will take the guy with the higher ceiling.
As for the defensive studs, we simply disagree on the list. I don’t think Dareus and Quinn are studs for a 3-4 defense. I also don’t buy the hype of 2 QBs going in the top 10. But I could be wrong. I can’t wait to find out and get our last good dose of football before the lights are turned out to save money while everyone is in court.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
The other thing to consider
is that few if any rookies will be ready to play if camps are disrupted enough because of CBA problems…
Don't believe everything you think.
Short - sighted
I hope the Cowboys are not making picks based strictly on who will be the best player in the first game of 2011. They should be looking at the expected contribution over the next 4-5 years (or longer if the player is re-signed). If Tyron Smith has more upside over that period than one of the defensive players you are talking about, then he would be the better choice.
My concern with Smith is that he is expected to be a dominant LT in a couple of years, but since we have a pretty good LT already, he might be over kill and a luxury we can’t afford with the numerous holes on the roster.
I would prefer a trade down to pick up a more pure RT like Carimi, while picking up an additional 2nd round pick.
by doomsdayreturns on Mar 17, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
With the passrushers in the NFL nowadays we need two good Tackles
If he turns out ot be legit at LT we’ll move him to LT and let Free play RT. I don’t care if we’re paying Free LT money since we’ll only be paying one of them LT money. By the time, Smith’s rookie contract is up, we’ll renew up and let Free go, which by that point (5 or 6 years from now) Free will be old and need to be replaced. This will give us a decade of continuity at the LT position
by somebodyquiet on Mar 17, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
If the Cowboys can’t find a trade down partner, I would be happy with Smith at #9. I just think the better play is get a pure RT like Carimi (or Sherrod, if you want a swing T), and get a free pick that turns into OG Jason Pinkston, WR Titus Young, a DE like Cameron Heyward or Christian Ballard, or a CB like Aaron Williams or Rashad Carmichael.
by doomsdayreturns on Mar 17, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have a 'green' player going through growing pains for the future, than an old, crippled guy who is on his way out
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Get that green player in the late first or second round then...not top 10....
We need the first round pick to start right away or at least contribute alot early and often, thats not Smith. Jerrys wants impact players with first round picks the reason he wont draft a OL that high….
I put 'green' in scare quotes because I am not all that sure how green Smith is
I’d rather have a guy who is going to be a big time contributor in the long term, even if there are growing pains in the short term, rather than an old crippled guy or a younger lesser talent who will be nothing but a stop gap measure.
And given this team’s lousy track record at finding OL talent, I am not so sure I’d want to take a flyer on a guy later in the draft as opposed to the player who seems to be universally rated as teh top O Lineman
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You mean you trust the consensus of draftniks over Jerry and crew on OL matters?
Me too….
Don't believe everything you think.
I trust the consensus of the three drunk guys at the end of the bar at the Speedway Tavern over Jerry and crew
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Well
And given this team’s lousy track record at finding OL talent
More the reason why we shouldnt be drafting a OL that high. You guys know better. Jerry is not drafting a OL that high, just not happening especially this draft class of OL that really isnt that good to begin with. If we were drafting this spot last year I would be alot more comfortable drafting a OL, not this year though. Just because we need a OL doesn’t mean we should be reaching….JMO.. We have just as glaring needs at safety and DE.
Smith isnt coming in as a rookie to replace anyone...
he isnt ready for that step and he certaintly isnt better than Colombo right now. The real problem that should be addressed is Davis. Thats our best chance of seeing change or improvement. I still think we need FA to see the best chance of improvment in 2011.
really
Colombo graded out as one of the worst offensive linemen in years. He gave up 9 sacks, 11 QB hits, 40 QB pressures and had 8 penalties last year. That is horrible. Smith may be somewhat green, but he will still be a big upgrade over Colombo immediately.
Im not saying Colombo is the the best, but
you ever hear the saying that tackles are only as good as the guards are? I think Colombo was at times, because of Davis’s bad play was trying to do too much at times. Let’s give him the benifit of the doubt that he wasn’t 100 percent either. I just dont think either Colombo or Davis replacement in 2011 will be from a draft pick. I really think Colombo will start again in 2011 and Davis will be the one out. Like I said the best chance of seeing change will have to be from FA not a rookie this season. Hopefully there will be FA.
We gave Colombo the benefit of the doubt
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
by Creasy729 on Mar 17, 2011 1:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Last season after that horrendous minnesota game.
Those who don’t learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
by Creasy729 on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and better a year too early than a year too late
well it is already a year too late for Colombo. He wasn’t 100% but his knees are simply shot, he’s not going to be 100% again.
And no, I’m not buying that he looked bad because of Bigg. Bigg wasn’t great, but he wasn’t horrible either. Colombo was just beat regularly and badly.
I'd buy that if Colombo was mainly getting beat inside...
or having to cheat inside to help Bigg. But he was flat getting beat around the edge, even when he was lined up correctly.
The mind and heart are willing but the body is shot.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Mar 18, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Unlike Davis
Who’s body is shot yet, he just needs more mind and heart – which Garrett should be able to hlep with and provide something in 2011 if we can’t find his replacement sooner than later.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Gene splice...
Bigg and Colombo, dip the result in the fountain of youth and we’d have our RT. LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Mar 18, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone asked Bunting why he doesn't differentiate between 4-3 and 3-4 schemes in his rankings?
that makes me take defensive rankings with a grain of salt. You can’t list DTs and NT prospects together, 4-3 DEs and 3-4 DEs together, LBs together. It doesn’t make sense when the skill set required to play those is inherently different. Yes, there are prospects that are scheme-diverse, but not every last one of them. Some players are elite in one system and merely good in others.
I know you can’t account for every variation of formation, but it’s a hole a lot of the draft experts haven’t filled yet.
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by KD Drummond on Mar 17, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
more chat
In Part II of the chat, Raf and Wes address the defensive side of the ball including how these guys fit into 3-4 vs. 4-3, and Raf and Sturm also discuss it in their chat as well.
This is all music to my ears.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Its pretty simple....We are in need of a RT
Trade down and take carimi and gain another 2nd rounder…I think thats the play if i was the gm…
To all those that want Carimi over Smith
I have this to say…
Here is a scenario….Opening day(assuming the CBA gets fixed) Free goes down(knock on wood)
who would you rather replace him with…
Alex Barron, who lost his backup spot to Sam Young, Jeremy Parnell, he of Practice Squad Fame…or
Tyron Smith who could easily wind up beating Free out in a couple of years….and before you answer bear in mind that Free is already 27/28 years old…..who replaces him in a few years?
"And one should bear in mind that there is nothing more difficult to execute, nor more dubious of success, nor more dangerous to administer than to introduce a new order to things; for he who introduces it has all those who profit from the old order as his enemies; and he has only lukewarm allies in all those who might profit from the new. This lukewarmness partly stems from fear of their adversaries, who have the law on their side, and partly from the skepticism of men, who do not truly believe in new things unless they have personal experience in them."
Niccolo Machiavelli
by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
For old Jerry, yes
But with Jason Garrett at the helm, I think the results of this War Room is different. Besides, I think HH got a pretty big dose of humble pie this season and may be willing to break past trends that have proven ineffective.
Dallas showed no interest at the combine in the veteran offensive linemen that will be available for free agency once the free agency period starts, assuming it does.
Don’t be too shocked with T. Smith drafted at #9.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Not if a cap comes back close to the current one.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Mar 18, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Would be a terrible reach...
he isn’t even the best OL in the draft so to draft him at #9 would be a huge blunder even for Jerry.
Garrett maybe the HC but Jerry is still the owner and GM and thats why you wont see Smith drafted at #9….no way!
Disagree on nearly everything...
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Mar 18, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure alot will, but the fact is Jerry is not drafting a OL that high...
CB or DE will be the pick.
We're so fortunate...
to have someone on this site that knows Jerry’s mind so well that they can be so sure of his intentions well over a month from now.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Mar 19, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
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