Trade Bait - Value of some of the roster players

by ProBowlFactory on Mar 3, 2011 7:35 PM CST

Alright, its time to get younger. Any team can use more picks to try to bolster some depth on their team or plug some holes. Time to examine the value of some of the players on the team and we will see what their trade value may be. I will even attempt to present some outlandish trade proposals for consideration. Please, if you have any ideas for others that could be traded then please post in the comments section. This is more of a discussion board for the upcoming draft than actual proposals. Here we go.

Tashard Choice - I would be extremely disappointed if this happened, just for the record. I think most of us agree that Marion Barber is the one of the three that needs to go. The only reason I mention Choice is because he actually has some trade value. Barber's contract is too big for anyone else to want to trade for since the production doesn't meet the contract. I would expect that a 3rd round pick would probably be realistic compensation for him, although I think what he has shown as a temporary starter, amongst other things, would merit an earlier selection.

Martellus Bennett - Personally I like this kid and he seems to have taken a more serious approach to things and matured a lot as a player in the last off-season. Best second string tight end in the nation I think, could be a starter most other places. Would definitely deserve at least a second round pick. There seems to be some pretty athletic tight ends in the draft this year like Virgil Green out of Nevada. Can any of them block as well as Bennett? I don't know how they would stack up against him in comparison though.

Orlando Scandrick - Probably our most physical corner that we have. Probably worth a 3rd round pick or so as compensation. We could probably find a good corner later in this draft to take his place with some really good ball skills. A guy I really liked in the combine was Curtis Brown out of Texas. Scandrick could also start on some teams out there, so his value might even be higher than where it was. He was up for the starting position here 2 seasons ago after all.

Stephen McGee - Might be some good value here for this guy. After all, we have all seen what Kitna can do in the backup role. I think Romo will still be around for a while longer so this guy will be too old to be able to count on down the road when we decide to move on without Romo, whenever that may come to pass. Probably get a third or late second round selection for him based on his performance last year in Arizona and in Philly. There are some teams out there that could use a starter and he is probably better than anyone on their roster currently. Personally, I think you could do this and then try to nab Andy Dalton from TCU in the draft and let him work. Very accurate and has good technique. Probably the best footwork that I have seen from any of the QBs in this years draft, although I haven't gotten to see Blaine Gabbert yet. His resume @ TCU is also impressive.

Miles Austin - Definitely don't like this idea, but trying to look at all angles or proposed trades I've heard through friends and other fans. Can't trade Roy because no one is going to want to take his contract. Probably get a 1st rounder this year and next year with another 2nd or 3rd rounder this year for Miles, maybe even more. Only question is, do you trust Roy as the #2 now, probably not. Unless you want to use that 1st rounder this year to get a guy like Julio Jones. Probably could trade with a team in the 10 - 14 range for that and pick up a good receiver or one of those tackles that so many of you have been coveting (although I don't think you get an OT that high unless you plan on him playing the left side, which is the side we are good at). I think Dez is going to be the #1 receiver now anyway.

Alright, so like I said this more of a discussion board than an actual proposal. So let's here what you have to say fellow cowboy fans. Also, post any other possible trades and feasible compensation for said trade in the comments section. Just want to see what you guys think. Jerry did say that there would be much more roster moves this off-season than in recent years. That could be difficult with the CBA situation, and even still it remains to be seen whether it would happen that way or not. And just for the record, I think the Stephen McGee trade scenario would be the best one if I had to choose one of them.

Poll

If you had to choose one of these five trades, which would you think would have the best return, or best value for the team in the long run?

RB Tashard Choice

43 votes

TE Martellus Bennett

145 votes

CB Orlando Scandrick

11 votes

QB Stephen McGee

57 votes

WR Miles Austin

67 votes

323 votes | Poll has closed

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I don't like trading any players this offseason

because it likely won’t be until after the draft and we need good players now. Also if we traded any of the players you mentioned that would just create another need. I think McGee only guy I would.

With that being said, it would be good if we can get something for a player that we may cut. Here’s an example: ship Igor to Houston for a draft pick?

by starmesh23 on Mar 3, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions

Trading

Choice- no, you’d have to replace him.
Bennet- possibly only because we usually do OK finding TE’s
Scandrick- we can’t afford to lose any decent DB’s
McGee- give him a chance and his trade value is minmal. I like Andy Dalton, but not before round #4 and he’ll probably be gone
Miles- no way, we are finally set with really goog WR’s and this will put us back in the hole, Roy at best a possession receiver and will only return if his contract is restructured.

Overall, I would only trade players if I have a glut of really quality players at any given position. Only Belichick seems to pull off trades as he did with Seymour and that trade almost cost him dearly.

by pfloyd1 on Mar 3, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions

I agree that it's time to get younger (especially on the OL)

But every player you mentioned is a young guy. You’re right that some of the older guys don’t have much trade value, but that just means that trades aren’t the way to get younger unless you’re content to add a few 6th rounders.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on Mar 3, 2011 8:14 PM CST reply actions

Well, age is the issue

No one wants to trade for an old guy because they have much less trade value. They want upside and contribution for an extended period. Everyone wants that franchise player.

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by ProBowlFactory on Mar 3, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions

only one id trade

is bennett and only if we get the deal we like, i also think your way off on mcgee… a 2nd-3rd rounder for him? not a chance

by demarcus94 on Mar 3, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions

Overvalue

I think you overvalue every single person on the list. Teams aren’t giving up a good draft pick for RB’s anymore. McGee has almost no value to anyone. It’s not like he was a huge prospect coming out of college, or has shown flashes of brilliance.

Bennett’s value was probably pretty high at one point but I think most of that was killed by his poor performance last year. I’m also not sure he’s really matured that much, it’s not like he could have gotten any less mature than he was a few years ago.

by ZBTHorton on Mar 3, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions

+1

I think Miles Austin is a top 15 WR, but don’t you think two 1st round picks + 2nd or 3rd round pick, if not more- is just a little much for him?

I know you didn’t mean for people to take this post as your actual proposals, so don’t take ^ to heart…

I personally think, even as an Eagles fan, you should keep every guy listed above… I think they can only help your team in the long run, plus they’re young enough to make an impact for years to come.

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by Ralf E Chubbs on Mar 9, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions

The way to get good value in trades

Is to trade aging veterans that are still playing well, that you have someone to replace. That way you get a high pick and they get only a few years of good play, if that. Players on the Cowboys roster i would consider trading are – Brooking (marginal value though), Newman (would need replacing, debatable that he needs replacing anyway), Davis (ditto Newman), and Gurode (ditto Newman and Davis).

by Ben24626 on Mar 3, 2011 10:33 PM CST reply actions

You have to look at contracts too. No one wants to take an overpaid player.

The Igor trade to Houston is a good suggestion though because we know Phillips likes him. These are some of the only guys that are actually playing to the level of their contracts though. Our biggest problem is highly paid players that aren’t performing like Roy Williams amongst others.

by ProBowlFactory on Mar 3, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions

Choice is a fine player but at best your going to get a 4th. RB’s are to easy to find in the middle rounds of drafts, and unless there is something special about the player they just don’t stand out.

McGee at best would get you a 7th. He wasn’t that impressive in his 2 games and hasn’t shown much in practice to warrant anything more.

Bennett isn’t going to get much more than a 4th either. TE is a deep and easy to draft position. Bennett is a decent player but hasn’t done that much in the NFL. Fewer teams are drafting blocking TE’s and Bennett isn’t that great of pass catcher.

The only way I would trade Austin would be if a perenially shitty called and offered 2 first round picks.

by jack dein on Mar 3, 2011 11:22 PM CST reply actions

I know I an going to catch alot of Flax for this

but there is really only one player that Dallas could “afford” to trade…Jason Witten. he is signed to a “reasonable contract” relative to his ability, is a perennial Pro Bowler, and Dallas has the ability to replace his production (Bennett, Phillips,Bryant).

Now should Dallas trade him? well it would depend on who called and what was offered….if a team called and Offered the their 1st and third for this year…..you would have to take it….

I know that would never happen…but lets assume that it happens:

Dallas gets Carolina’s #1 and #3 pick in return for Jason Witten

that leaves Dallas with the #1, #9, #40, #65, #71, #109,#140,#171 and #210

So Dallas picks:

Von Miller- a sidekick and heir to Demarcus Ware, is agrueably one of the best pass rushers in the draft. Gives Dallas two Bookend pass rushers (ala Steelers) and along with Spencer and Lee could create one of the most fearsome and versatile LB corps in the league

Tyron Smith- Dallas selects the best OT in the Draft, and get either a replacement for Colombo, or Free(if lost during Free agency)

(trade up using the #40, 65,171,and 210)Gabe Carimi- Instant starter at RT and gives Dallas options with Tyron Smith( move him to guard ala Koiser)

Ahmad Black- A SS with decent coverage skills and willingness to tackle, replaces Sensebaugh

Demarcus Love- an OT in College would kick down inside to replace Leonard Davis

#140-Adrian Taylor- an intriguging prospect that has some correctable flaws(mostly technique) but once corrected to become an effective every down 5-tech

So I ask you would you trade Jason Witten for Tyron Smith and Gabe Carimi?…..I would….

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by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 4, 2011 3:20 AM CST reply actions

My imediate emotional response is

NO F*ing way….

But you are right if someone offered a 1st and third we would have to listen

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by BigBad Joe on Mar 4, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions

stupidity

Trading Jason Witten is the stupidist thing the Cowboys can do.

And Carolina wouldn’t give up the 1st pick without us giving up the 9th pcik and something else.
And Carolina already signed Shockey yesterday anyway, so why are they trading for Jason in the first place?

by Zeno on Mar 4, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

ok so Tyron Smith

would it still not be a pretty good draft?

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by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 4, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions

You make a good case, Oz

Like BBJoe, emotionally, well, you know where I stand, I’d wager…

Cold reasoning, yeah, listen. Make the call as best possible at whatever time it needs to be made, by whoever makes it. You and your thinking, maybe have an advantageous outcome. Another scenario, another person, maybe that one too. Maybe not, maybe neither of them. There’s just no telling, no sure things.

But to answer your question “So I ask you would you trade Jason Witten for Tyron Smith and Gabe Carimi?”. Me? No. But you knew that already.

Now, maybe in a year or two. Proof in the pudding, Doubting Thomas thaing, ya know.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 4, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions

Right on

I suggested this in a post as well and people hated it. Getting rid of witten would not decrease the # wins we would have next year and keeping him would not increase the # of wins. He’s not a game changer and not a very good leader either.

Trade him for nothing less then 2nd and 3rd.

by Steven Bilyeu on Mar 6, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions

I would

I would trade him for Rahim Moore

by Steven Bilyeu on Mar 6, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions

what is with the Formatting?

should be
#1 Von Miller,

#9 Tyron Smith,

#22 Gabe Carimi,

#71 Ahmad Black,

#109 Demarcus Love…

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by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 4, 2011 3:25 AM CST reply actions

Black is not worth 109 let alone 71.

Demarcus Love is hot garbage. I would much rather grab Moffitt at 109 and team him back up with Carimi. Instead of a S I would rather grab a solid CB or ILB at 71.

Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!

by BigDinLA on Mar 4, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions

I would trade Ware

if a team offered, say, two #1’s and a #2 or something like that.

by DavidH22 on Mar 4, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions

1. I think most of your trade values are unrealistic. When I look at where comps traded Santonio Holmes (5th), Boldin (3rd & 4th), Cromartie (3rd), Alphoso Smith (Dan Groncowski) the values you’re assuming are too high.

2. I think David hits the 1 guy who could bring a bounty. Ware. And Dallas should consider whether they’re going to contend this year. Bc Ware is 29 and if they’re not going to contend … it might make sense to go the Richard Seymour route and blow up the team now before they get stuck with an aging defense and OL.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 4, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

p.s. for fun, list the top 4 players on the defense.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 4, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

well i can get three

Ware
Rat
Bradey

after that ?

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by BigBad Joe on Mar 4, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

Define "top", please.

As in trade-bait return? Top of head: Ware, Ratliff, Butler, Spencer/Bowen

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by tanstaafl on Mar 4, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions

Butler? Bowen?

Come on. Be serious. Guy actually has to be a starter.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 4, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions

Limited to 2010 starters, ok, thanks

You hadn’t stated that.
Ware, Ratliff, Spencer, Jenkins/Sensabaugh
Sensabaugh less so due to age.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 4, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions

ok, here’s my point.

2011: Ware (29), Ratliff (30), Bradie James (30), Newman (33)

ok … that looks managable. but you’re not contending anyway

2012: Ware (30), Ratliff (31), Bradie James (31), Newman (34)

that looks like a recipe for disaster.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 4, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions

Sure is part of a recipe. However, you’re presupposing no roster turnover in those or other instances. I figure there’ll be revisions at ILB, CB and safety in 2011/2012, so there’s 50% of the areas those players are elements of being “altered”.

And since the “other instances” affect how individuals on a “team” perform to some extent, it gets tough to nail down what “tweak” helps or hinders a situation beforehand. Guys make big bucks doing such things, yes?

So you’re in the “trade Ware now” camp, by the look of it. Ok, so since your decision’s “not contending”, why stop at Ware?

But thanks, now I see why you objected to Butler and Bowen. Had nothing to do with starting.

Maybe you missed the “decide or detonate” response to your original comment. But I doubt it.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 5, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions

So you’re in the "trade Ware now" camp, by the look of it. Ok, so since your decision’s "not contending", why stop at Ware?

yes, I’d agree with that. if you decide you’re not contending, look at moving everyone who’s over 25. that would include Romo.

now I see why you objected to Butler and Bowen. Had nothing to do with starting.

I would not say a player who played 15% of the snaps is the 4th best player on the defense. We can just disagree on that.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 5, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

…if you decide you’re not contending…

Again, I refer you to the “decide or detonate” response to your original comment. Specifically the “Though I’d wager 2010 was considered a "going to contend" year.”

…who played 15% of the snaps is the 4th best player on the defense

You? A stats guy? Not looking beyond snap %? Angels and ministers of grace defend us.

Kinda kidding. As I’d said, trade-bait value, purely personal and subjective top-of-head, not a full-blown analysis. And in that light, I’ll maintain Butler (for example) has more value than Newman (not trashing Newman).

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by tanstaafl on Mar 5, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions

i guess you’re thinking trade value.

i’m thinking about what you actually have to put on the field and play. for the last 6 years Newman has been the #1 corner. Also made 2 pro-bowls. Whatever way you cut it that is going away and needs to be replaced.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 5, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions

Yep, agreed. Definitely needs to be replaced or prepped for in short order. Time waits for no man.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 5, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

One more thing, FiTT, don’t misunderstand me. If I was the Owner/GM/Power-that-be and decided “not contending, time to rebuild on the quick”, there’d be no holy-cows, no emotional entanglements. Every player/pick/whatever’s up for dealing to get the job done.

But it’s a crapshoot. No matter what.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 5, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions

I still said Butler, Bowen.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 4, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions

didn't Sean Lee Start last year?

I would put him in that list……

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by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 4, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions

sean lee played 16% of the snaps

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/03/sturm-cowboys-defense-analysis.html

this is where I get frustrated. fans believe the hype and hope.

I hope Lee is the answer. but I won’t count on a guy who (1) was an injury risk coming out of college and (2) had hamstring, concusion, and shoulder injuries his 1st year. I want to see Lee play a season before I start counting on him as a starter.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 4, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions

but you did not say the best players

that played 50% or more snaps….

you said top 4 players:

Ware Ratliff Lee Butler

Regardless of snaps those I think were the 4 top players….with McCann and Scandrick in a tie for 5th…..

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by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 4, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions

Wow we agree on something.

Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!

by BigDinLA on Mar 4, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions

O. M. G.

just goes to show…Blind Squirrel+Time= Nut…..

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by I am Ironman!!! on Mar 4, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions

Or...

In my case, Monkey + Typewriter = Comment.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 5, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

Considered Lee, but had him down under the top 4. As much hope as I hold for him and see talent there in the so-few cases we’ve had opportunity to see him actually play, the durability concern and lack of “proof in the pudding” held him back, Oz.

Frankly, being another team, offer me Lee or Butler in a trade, I’d take Butler right now.

There’s gold in them thar “non-starters”.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 5, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions

Yep, decide or detonate

Though I’d wager 2010 was considered a “going to contend” year.
So those “decisions”, by anyone, any management, I’ll take a flyer on lending validity to.
Till the Lombardi’s hoisted.

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by tanstaafl on Mar 4, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions

4 picks at least.

two 1’s and two 2’s

by Steven Bilyeu on Mar 6, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions

I don’t think you can get 2 #1s and 2 #2s for a 29 year old player.

Richard Seymour was traded for a future 1st round pick.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 7, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions

I think Bennet may have some value

but I don’t think you could get more than a 3rd.

Choice no more than a 4th or 5th. Scandrick too.

I think Mles would fetch a 1st or 2nd.

If you want to talk about trading players, the only real return would be the big names. Witten, Ware, Ratliff, Austin, Dez, Free. The only one that I think we could afford to give up out of that list is Austin/Dez

by foyesboys on Mar 4, 2011 12:32 PM CST reply actions

I agree with the criticism of Miles this year, but come on...

Dez, as much as I love the guy and am thrilled he’s a Cowboy, has yet to totally prove himself in my eyes. I know, who am I to say he needs to prove himself to me, but are we really so eager to ship out our best reciever on the roster at the moment? Sure, I can’t help but agree that Dez has more in the physical tools department than Miles has as far as natural athletic ability, but who knows the playbook better? Who has the better rapport with Romo? Miles is the blue collar, down to earth veteran that can help young Dez develop by on the field work ethic and setting a good example to follow. And does a potential Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne scenario with Austin and Dez for years to come not sound great right about now?
I’ll admit that Miles is my favorite Cowboy on the roster right now, I love the underdog success stories, but I’m trying to approach this from an unbiased angle. I think trading Austin right now is about as crazy a thing to discuss as trading Romo. Talk to me in a year or two when Dez hits his prime, and then maybe, but lets not shoot ourselves in the foot at the WR position with all the other holes we have right now.

by Rebel11983 on Mar 4, 2011 2:00 PM CST reply actions