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BREAKING: Lockout Lifted, NFL Expected To Immediately Appeal

Round 1: Players

The first legal victory goes to the side of the players today, as Judge Susan Nelson lifts the lockout imposed on the players by the NFL owners, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

In this report from SB Nation, the owners are expected to immediately request a stay on the implementation so that they can file a motion with the Court of Appeals.

[UPDATE}Per the Yahoo! Sports report, the judge has already denied the stay.[/UPDATE}

(hat tip to BTB member Rena)

NFL.com's Jason LaConfora had this reaction, via Twiter, to the ruling:

The decision by Judge Nelson not surprising. The appeals court may take a more conservative view of the case. That process could take monthsless than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Favorite Retweet Reply

 

We've all expected this for the last week or so as well. As was discussed in the comments sections over the weekend, how great would it be to have the frenetic football activity should the judge deny the stay?

We'll keep an eye out for additional developments.

[UPDATE] ProFootballTalk has gotten the 89 page ruling and has highlights. Follow the jump.

Star-divide

 

Link here:

 

Here’s the full text of the final portion of the written decision, under the heading “order.”

“The nation’s labor laws have always applied only where an action involves or grows out of a labor dispute.  Such a labor relationship exists only where a union exists to bargain on behalf of its members. Where those employees effectively renounce the union as their collective bargaining agent — and accept the consequences of doing so — and elect to proceed in negotiating contracts individually, any disputes between the employees and their employers are no longer governed by federal labor law. Likewise, the Norris-LaGuardia Act, which applies only to preclude some injunctions in the context of ‘labor disputes,’ also no longer applies here to preclude injunctive relief. The NFL urges this Court to expand the law beyond these traditional dictates and argues that the protections of labor law should apply for some indefinite period beyond the collapse and termination of the collective bargaining relationship. In the absence of either persuasive policy or authority, this Court takes a more conservative approach, and declines to do so.

“This Court, having found that the Union’s unequivocal disclaimer is valid and effective, concludes there is no need to defer any issue to the NLRB.  Because that disclaimer is valid and effective, the Norris-LaGuardia Act’s prohibition against injunctive relief does not preclude granting the Player’s motion for a preliminary
injunction against what the League characterizes as a ‘lockout.’

“Based on the foregoing, and all the files, records and proceedings herein, IT IS
HEREBY ORDERED that:

“1. The Brady Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction [Doc. No. 2] is
GRANTED;

“2. The Eller Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction [Doc. No. 58] is
MOOT; and

“3. The ‘lockout’ is enjoined.”

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Hurry Jerry!!!

Trade Romo to Carolina for their #1….

Trade Demarcus to The Broncos for their #2….

Miles can Go to Cincy, Jenkins to Cardinals, Ratliff to Bills….

Witten stays though…..
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.Yes that was sarcasm……..

Von Miller+Demarcus Ware+Jay Ratliff+Rob Ryan=Nightmare for Opposing OC's

by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 25, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Jerry crying?

In the photo. He’s crying.

Weltschmerzen.
My $.02's worth $.00.

by tanstaafl on Apr 25, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmao

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

thx

updated and attributed :)

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by KD Drummond on Apr 25, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hehe, ty.

I went looking when I saw the fanshot and found that. :)

Made my day almost as much as getting on day shift this week so I can watch the draft.

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

So really it means nothing.

The owners are going to starve out the players. The players are starting to splinter off into separate groups, the owners know they got ’em on the run.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Apr 25, 2011 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Judge Nelson REFUSED to stay the order to lift the lockout.

So unless the 8th Circuit Court grants a stay tomorrow when the NFL appeals, they must open for business immediately.

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Pretty Much the Outcome I Expected

And I suspect the appeals court will overturn her decision. At least the owners won’t be able to lock out the players until then…

by kindablue on Apr 25, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Just from reading I don't really see how they can overturn it.

But strangers things have happened so we’ll see.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So does this mean...

there could be a few days for Rob Ryan to meet with his defensive captains and such?

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on Apr 25, 2011 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, here's hoping...

that he at least gets a little time to drill some knowledge of the new system into the captains’ heads…

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on Apr 25, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, but I still wouldn't expect to see any trades or anything like that.

Just teams getting together with their coaches to run drills, get information, etc… This thing isn’t over by a long shot.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

so we play by 2010 rules?

Doesn’t that mean no salary cap? And free agency starts immediately? If so what the chances jerry signs a few free agents like huff and asomough and front load the contracts this year that would be ideal

Envy Us!!

by regaberto on Apr 25, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't count on it.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noone knows yet.

Wait till tomorrow and see if the appeals court grants a stay or not.
If they don’t more than likely the NFL will open under last years rules as the NLFPA has gone on record as saying they would operate under those rules.

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a link to a article explaining a lot of this from last week.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=AmF98V4sKMNMXZVE50Saad9t7l_?slug=nfp-20110420_courtroom_football_whats_ahead

“The 8th Circuit is known as a pro-business, conservative court, which bodes well for the NFL and I would give them a slight edge there. However, deference is often given to the lower court (Judge Nelson) unless the appeals court sees errors in application of the law.

The NFL would likely implement the most recent rules from the 2010 season. The NFLPA is on record saying they would have continued to operate under that system. That will allow the NFL to impose these rules and help them in the future antitrust action. The 2010 system rules, with six years required for free agency instead of four and no minimum Cap spending, could severely limit spending on players, fostering more discontent among players, which is obviously part of the NFL’s strategy.”

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ehh...different type of pro business judges, and it's not as cut and dry as the idiots in the media make it seem.

Not accusing you of being an idiot, but the media and the public at large tends to have a bastardized view on the judiciary.

If the 8th circuit doesn’t like it it can go to the Supreme Court, and the placers have quite a bit of precedence on their side.

by Omar Little on Apr 25, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hehe, if you read it carefully they are hedging their bets, like Jerry.

Says the owners have the edge in the appeals court as they are more probusiness, but they don’t like to overturn the lower courts ruling unless there is a error in the application of the law.

So they covered both sides in back to back sentances.

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well the issue is an anti-trust violation

They decertified because if you’re represented by a trade union you can’t sue your employer for anti-trust violations. Both sides are behaving like children, most appellate courts don’t like appealing cases in general. There’s a few hot button issues that always get rehashed, but this seems a bit different than abortion, gay marriage, the death penalty, or torture.

by Omar Little on Apr 25, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

from what I understand

if the appeals court does not grant a stay, then yes, business will open immediately. But, the ruling granting the injunction will still have to be heard by the appeals court, so I don’t know how much movement we will see until they make a ruling. We still won’t know what rules we’re playing under until the appeals court decides on the injunction.

by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 25, 2011 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Appeal?

Okay NFL still loses.

Follow me on twitter

by Jeterian 2 on Apr 25, 2011 5:55 PM CDT reply actions  

They're dancing in circles

If they don’t negotiate, both sides are screwed.

by pfloyd1 on Apr 25, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Still here :-)

But like many have said, this aint over, so no reason to get all up in arms about it…and while i am pro owner (in this case) i do want football this season

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by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because I'm too lazy to read through 89 pages,

Does this mean players can be traded during the draft? Or does a bargaining agreement have to be in place for any kind of trade to happen? What about signing players to contracts?

by Alexcomestokill on Apr 25, 2011 6:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Supposedly they'll be operating under the parameters of last year.

In the event that the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals denies their request for an emergency stay. That’s what I’m reading anyway.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I’m no lawyer but I believe that’s what would happen. If the court of appeals grants the owners their emergency stay and reinstates the lockout it doesn’t really matter though. So basically, until we see what happens with the request for a stay we’re still kind of in the same boat. I expect a decision on what to do with that will come quickly, probably within the next day or so.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we start signing FA?

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Apr 25, 2011 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Not Yet

Without a set of rules to do business by the NFL will not be able to trade players or sign FA’s yet. The NFL will probably not have a set of rules till the apeal is heard. Most assume it will be the 2010 CBA that they will operate under but will have the court establish it to steer clear of antitrust laws.

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

They will have to set the rules quickly if no stay is granted by the appeals court.

Or else the players will appeal to Judge Nelson to find the NFL in contempt for refusing to follow her ruling.

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

It pretty much depends on what happens at the Appeals Court.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If not stay is granted by the appeals court, yes the NFL must open like "normal". FA's, trades, etc. What rules, most likely last years.

“Depending on whether the stay is granted pending appeal, we could have quite the little Wild-West situation going on in the days leading up to the draft. It’s possible that teams could rush to sign and trade free agents, and it’s also possible that the owners could refuse to sign or trade anyone, which would probably lend credence to the collusion case that the NFLPA already has going.”

Yahoo’s latest story on it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Judge-Nelson-rules-for-players-lifts-lockout?urn=nfl-wp1229

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

It also says
Said Jim Quinn, an attorney for the players: "They better act quickly, because as of right now there’s no stay and, presumably, players could sign with teams. There are no guidelines as of right now, so they have to put something in place quickly.

Semper Fi Do or Die

by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 25, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ask me in three months...

I’ll respond 7 months after that lol

Semper Fi Do or Die

by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 25, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

DDubs,

This has gotten to be recurring.

I’m not pacifist, but it’d probably be better if you do this in private.

I’m sure you and Jeremiah can figure out how to exchange contact details.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 25, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get over it, the mans going to war to keep me and you free.

Too many people don’t honor what our young warriors do. You don’t have to support the war to support America’s finest.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Apr 25, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No need to be a sourpuss

Nothing wrong with buddies catching up

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

FiTaT

I understand where you are coming from, but perhaps you could have heeded your own advice and discussed this privately with both of us. The exchange was not an ongoing drawn out one, but a very short one. Now it has become a larger issue and you have drawn much more attention to what you said you didn’t want on this blog. I am not argueing it’s place here I am disputing how you went about discussing it. If it made you uncomfortable I apologize, but I think it would be best for all involved if the discussion ended here.

Semper Fi Do or Die

by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 25, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I didn't know some football fan were so touchy about war and killing.

I guess I forgot not everybody understands how it is. Be safe man.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Apr 25, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be safe

and come back to some good old football :-)

He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
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by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Said Jeff Spicoli....

“So what Jefferson was saying was ‘we left that England place ’cause it was bogus, and if we don’t get some cool rules of our own, like pronto, well then we’ll just be bogus too’”

by fivetwos on Apr 25, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL. I liked him better when he was a stoner.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.

by White Wolf on Apr 25, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this judge. I went looking for that as I didn't remember it in the story I had read and linked.

Here they have a new story up already with that in it. And at the end when she says she is lifting the lockout she even mentions the fans.

"(T)he public ramifications of this dispute exceed the abstract principles of the antitrust laws, as professional football involves many layers of tangible economic impact, ranging from broadcast revenues down to concessions sales," she wrote. "And, of course, the public interest represented by the fans of professional football—who have a strong investment in the 2011 season—is an intangible interest that weighs against the lockout. In short, this particular employment dispute is far from a purely private argument over compensation."

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

NFL - National Football Litigation

Here’s a somewhat meaningless question: If appeal holds or takes a while and teams and plaeyrs again can not communicate…who calls the draft prospect to tell him he is drafted to a team, their agent? Will we not see Jones seeming nervous and giddy talking to his draft pick over the phone? We could miss out on some great commentary…“Welcome to the NFL and ‘dem Dallas Cowboys Tyron, we’ll get back in touch with you when you can actually get paid and sign a deal if there even is a season but you’re gonna be a Cowboy, unless future litigation negates this draft.”

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by Kegbearer on Apr 25, 2011 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

that's the way I've heard it reported

I have dinner duty- so can’t check for the link :)

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by KD Drummond on Apr 25, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay a few things

The Lockout was lifted, meaning that the players and teams are free to communicate. The Circuit Court would need to reinstate the lockout for the teams and the players to be unable to communicate.

As far as the teams talking to players? They’ve been drafted, that’s it. They haven’t signed a deal with the teams at all, the team just owns the rights to their NFL services. No more, no less. A deal still has to be signed for this to be in effect, that being said they can’t sign until there’s a CBA in place. They can still talk, there’s quite a bit of stuff that needs to happen before they can sign…but sure, why couldn’t they talk? Tyron Smith isn’t under contract nor is he a member of the PA.

by Omar Little on Apr 25, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

and this is what is so funny about it.....
the team just owns the rights to their NFL services

So the players filed anti-trust, but it is still ok for them to have a draft where the “rights” to a player are had without the player being pd LOLOLOL

He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"

by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lockout is lifted

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the players end up getting what they want...

get ready to never being able to afford going to a game again.

by TheCowboyFan on Apr 25, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I already can't afford it.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's actually a myth

High player salaries do NOT lead to high ticket prices. if owners can get away with charging 100 bucks a ticket and 10 bucks for a beer, guess what, they’ll charge you a 100 bucks a ticket and ten bucks a beer. Supply and demand is what causes the ticket prices to be so high, not player salaries.

by Omar Little on Apr 25, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ticket prices are based on supply/demand

The prices are based on how much the owners can charge and still sell out games.

All they’re doing is arguing over the division of the funds. The owners are going to charge as much as they can. The only difference is how much of that insane sum of money goes to the players and how much the owners get to keep themselves.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You explained this with much less profanity than I would have used.

But yeah…if you’re willing to pay 100 bucks for a crappy seat, guess what? Someone will charge you a 100 bucks for a crappy seat. I live in a city with a AAA baseball team, and even the beer there’s like five or six bucks a pop, last I remember it was 7 or so at Texas Stadium…player salary has nothing to do with this. All about the maximization of revenue.

by Omar Little on Apr 26, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand anything...

So I’ll ask simple questions:

1. How soon can players report to respective complexes
2. How soon can free agents be signed
3. How can I can this piece of corn stuck in my teeth out

by DonMoosavi on Apr 25, 2011 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Hehe, this all depends on what the NFL does. But in theory.

1. Now

2. Now, but there is no rules in place so that is dicey.

3. Go ask your dentist. :)

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everything depends on what happens with the NFL's request for a stay at the appeals court.

But, as of right this moment the lockout is lifted. So…

1. Now
2. Legally, now
3. Toothpick

Basically nothing really matters until we see what happens with the NFL’s request for a stay. If it’s granted, the lockout is back in place and we’re right back where we started. If it’s denied, then the judge’s ruling stands, the lockout is lifted, and we’ll be operating under the rules of 2010 for the time being until they can hammer out a new CBA.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

1. Now.
2. Now, but don’t hold your breath (unless you want to put yourself out of this misery).
3. Remove every second tooth. Stuckings solved.

Weltschmerzen.
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by tanstaafl on Apr 26, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA
  1. must be a Chuck Norris solution…that is just too hard core for your average man.

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by Kegbearer on Apr 26, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

However, Cowboys fans are extraordinary. Meaning beyond ordinary, above average. Even abnormal.

Weltschmerzen.
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by tanstaafl on Apr 26, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

+ Abnormal :-)

He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
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by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Normal’s so average. Most of you other Cowboys fans are exceptionally abnormal.

Weltschmerzen.
My $.02's worth $.00.

by tanstaafl on Apr 26, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

that should have read #3 must be...

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry

by Kegbearer on Apr 26, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

SI is saying some coaches have already called players.

“was just told that some players have been contacted by their position coaches, who are capitalizing on this time of limbo. smart move?”

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/4/25/2132935/nfl-lockout-decision-players-coaches-talking

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"

by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

UhOh, NFL is playing hardball.

“So what if NFL players decide to report to their team facilities on Tuesday for offseason strength and conditioning? Any team that refuses to let the players inside possibly will be in violation of Judge Nelson’s order.

That’s precisely what could happen. "We do not intend to start the league year until we have had an opportunity to seek a stay," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT via e-mail.

In other words, if they show up, they’re not getting in."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/25/nfl-wont-start-league-year-without-chance-to-seek-a-stay/

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

This is going to get resolved quick.

They’ll go down to the appeals court tomorrow morning and request their emergency stay. I bet a decision on that comes down before the draft.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just seem too easy,

I didn’t think anything could get resolved this quick with a bunch of lawyers involved.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Apr 25, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which, from a fan's perspective, means nothing is happening

I don’t care who gets what money. I just want my team to be doing OTAs, training camps, FA signings, and games.

If their court crap doesn’t interfere with any of that, they can go do whatever they want.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

PLAY BALL

oops, wrong sport.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Apr 25, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Judge Nelson understands that, and that's at least part of the reason she decided the way she did.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seek a stay> The Judge already said no, so what they'll ask Judge Reilly to give them a stay?

They’re stalling right now, the players look like idiots with their comments in the media and the owners look like petty assholes.

by Omar Little on Apr 25, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could let the players in the complex, but not offer stuff that the players

could get hurt doing……
would be a good time from some class room learning of the new D systems dont ya think ?

As much as i think the S & C is for a team, the coaches should try to maximize the time they have with the players to teach them the new stuff….they can do S & C easier on their own than they can learn RR’s system without RR

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Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"

by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

A new and very interesting story on what will likely happen next in court.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=AkzpSSisWifxNHlMVXBGlpDubYF?slug=jc-cole_league_has_no_real_plan_in_place_042511

Love the end line about the owners chances with the appeals court in the end.

“Good luck with all of that. There’s a better chance of owner Mike Brown leading the Cincinnati Bengals to a Super Bowl title than there is of the owners winning that series of arguments”

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I mean, yeah.

If you look at the summary from PFT above, she pretty much followed the letter of the law directly. I don’t see how they’re going to win their appeal if she correctly applied the law, which she appears to have done. I’m not going to declare a victory for the fans until we see it in print that the appeals court has denied them their stay though.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fans dont win

until there is a new deal in place….the court forcing the issue is kind of a tie, we get football, but for how long….

He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"

by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

unless the players strike...forever

Judge is setting the precedent in this case

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it clears the appeal process

and while i have read that you are sure that it will stand up to appeal, i will wait and see

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by BigBad Joe on Apr 26, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the court deems the lockout to be illegal, then there can be no work stoppage.

Which means football will go on. Who cares about the business stuff they do behind the scenes.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 26, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Info

Rena, I may disagree with some of your opinions ( what is going to happen) with this situation, you are all over it and bringing everyone great info.

Thanks,
Keep up the work and never back down

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we all agree the world would be a boring place and I mostly know the judical system from the law enforcement perspective.

And ty. It is called doing to much surfing and not enough sleeping.

And here are my last 2 gems for the night before I get some zzzzzzzzzzz.

Tweets by Adam Schefter.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
“Unless and until the judge issues an order for a stay the teams will be in violation of Judge Nelson’s order if they don’t allow access.”
14 minutes ago "
 AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
NFLPA emailed players tonight suggesting they report to work Tuesday. Email to follow….

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Work

I know the NFLPA, agents and reps are telling the guys to get back to work. I think the workouts and all are fine but from a legal standpoint, The whole FA issue will remain up in the air until the court rules on the stay then the owners will want the court to set the rules.This mainly applies to Fa but not much else. For the palyers it all comes down to FA and not much else, when a player is not under contract they are a free agent, This also takes in the draft. While a team may have first rights, the player has the right to sign and play or not sign and go back into the draft the next year. At this point in a labor dispute it comes down to FA’s. The league can go about most business but FA remains off limits until there is a set of rules in place by the court for that.

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That could work against the owners

I have heard that if all the teams decide to refuse all calls regarding free agents and no team signs anyone the lawyers could use it as claims for more antitrust problems and collusion since the teams are supposed to act like it is business as usual.

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by Kegbearer on Apr 25, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not A Problem

Not trading players or signing FA’suntil the court rules is not a problem. They just blame it on lack of rules and direction by the court. The big thing is tommorow morning when players under contract try and report for work. From the players standpoint it is we are under contract, do not have a union and want to work. The big thing with the owners are that they have contracted these players to work, but cannot insure them. The owners did not make the insurance payments for the players so if a player under contract gets hurt, they ay are on the hook.
This is a very slippry slope that everyone goes down now

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

I will be really happy tomorrow if I hear the cowboys had a team meeting and film room work and every player under contract attended…but i could be wishing for too much.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
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by Kegbearer on Apr 25, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can Happen

That is a very realistic for all teams. Signing FA’s ( those not under conract) is a long shot

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please no politics on this site. Please. There are a zillion sites for discussing politics.

by Jonathan Stern on Apr 25, 2011 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

?

Not sure of what politics you are talking about, please explain? I see at as a discusion of what happens next.

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the legalese is probably hurting his head, haha.

There’s no politics in this thread though.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 25, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Politics

I do not see politics in here, I see some very good folks giving there thoughts and opinions here. We are not right or wrong until a court rules, these are very good opinions here, thats why I love this place. We all respect each other, or should do that.

by Birddog26 on Apr 25, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I can't sleep. Hate switching shifts and trying to adjust the sleep schedule.

Here is a bomb. The judge declared Peyton Manning a free agent. All franchise tags, tenders, etc are all off.

http://twitter.com/#!/leahysean/status/62647375499505664

Great writeup on the Panthers blog, quote below. It was before the refusal to stay from Judge Nelson, but it shows what will or won’t happen if the appeals court also refuses.

http://www.catscratchreader.com/2011/4/25/2133251/okay-so-what-exactly-is-going-on-with-the-nfl

“What is the worst that could happen with no stay?

Essentially anything that was built into the past CBA has no bearing on the offseason proceedings. Players who were already under contract would not be effected, but players who have been franchise tagged, players who have been RFA tagged etc. would all immediately become unrestricted free agents.

 

Wait, does that mean Peyton Manning will be an unrestricted free agent?

Yes… and with no salary cap enforced by the CBA watch the fireworks on that one."

by Rena on Apr 25, 2011 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Buuuuuuut...

There has to be an owner stupid enough to do that. Chairman Roger is pretty good at keeping everyone in lockstep, there’s gotta be owners out there that are thinking: “this is bullsh*t, my team doesn’t suck, f*ck off Richardson and let me continue to make a killing, thankyouverymuch”

So I have a feeling no one will make a splash, the players have to agree to a deal too. Since there’s no union, the players are unsure what will happen after the new CBA is signed. So there’s concerns for them as well.

by Omar Little on Apr 26, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great news and huge victory for the players and fans

Off season football will soon begin and Ryan can start teaching his system to our defensive guys and the rookies will be able to workout.

No way the appeals court grants a stay…not going to happen.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 26, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

That alone will light a fire under at least one owner's ass, lol.

Things are about to get interesting.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Apr 26, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

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