Reach/Value In The First Round Of The 2011 NFL Draft
by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 29, 2011 5:30 AM CDT
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Last year, when Roger Goodell announced that the Jacksonville Jaguars had picked Tyson Alualu with the 10th pick, a collective shout of "REACH!!!" swept the nation, including 99% of the Jaguars fans. Whether Aluala really is a reach remains to be seen, but that pick did remind me of another perceived reach at almost the exact same pick a couple of years earlier: when the Colts picked Dwight Freeney with the 11th pick in 2002, the same collective shout of "REACH!!!" erupted across the country. Nobody today is calling Freeney a reach.
Whether a given first round pick is a reach or a value pick often doesn't become clear until long after the draft, often years later. Earlier this week, the DMN released Rick Gosselin's much-anticipated list of the top 100 players in this year's draft, which is generally considered to be the closest thing to an NFL Big Board as there is.
After the break, we look at how teams performed in the first round relative to Gosselin's big board, which teams reached and which teams got value.
The table below looks at Value/Reach for each pick by comparing actual draft position ("Pick") with where the player was ranked on Gosselin's top 100 list ("Rank"). Where a player was drafted higher than where the player was ranked on Gosselins list, the Value/Reach number is negative and marked in red, indicating that the pick was a reach. Where a player was drafted lower than where he was ranked, the number is positive and marked in green, indicating that pick was a value pick.
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Some quick observations:
- It's not a surprise that most QBs were a reach yesterday. Like most other observers, Don Banks comes to the same conclusion: "It's not breaking news to say the NFL is a quarterbacks league, but it's now true more than ever. Teams reached Thursday night for passers. I'm certain of that. We just don't know yet which ones, and how far their overextension entailed."
- The Saints arguably made out like thieves yesterday, getting excellent value on both their picks. However, New Orleans paid a very high price in giving up its first-round pick in 2012 to get New England's No. 28 selection with which they selected RB Mark Ingram.
- Outside of the QBs, the biggest headscratcher in the top 11 picks is the 49ers picking Aldon Smith. While reports had surfaced that the Cowboys also liked him, hardly anybody expected him to go this high. Least of all the 49ers fans, who voted Aldon Smith the most schocking pick behind Locker and Ponder. Already there is speculation that Smith was drafted by the 49ers for the Eagles in anticipation of a Kevin Kolb trade to San Francisco. Unlikely, but who knows?
- Based on Gosselin's table, the Cowboys got good value out of their pick relative to the other top 11 teams.
- The biggest early value are the Fairley and Quinn picks. Both had question marks that saw them dropping out of the top ten, but both could be huge picks for their teams if everything goes right.
- Picks 25 and 26 proved to be the biggest head-turners in the draft. While Carpenter certainly fills a need for the Seahawks, hardly anybody had him rated as a first round pick, and the same can be said for Jon Baldwin, picked by the Chiefs at 26.
- Look at the teams who are traditionally thought of as good drafters like the Colts, Patriots, Ravens and Steelers: they all have a green number behind their picks.
The Cowboys are on the clock tonight with the 40th pick. Here are the ten highest ranked players left on Gosselin's top 100 list, as well as the up-to-date projection for the top of the second round by Drafttek.com. Who's your pet cat for the 2nd round tonight?
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aaron williams or bruce carter ... all the way
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
I would be thrilled with either
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 29, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Ben Ijalana, Aaron Williams, Brandon Harris, Marcus Cannon, and Marvin Austin.
That’s about all I’d consider.
I think Cannon can be had in the 5th or 6th
considering his unfortunate circumstances..
by NerdVernacular on Apr 29, 2011 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I love all my Tarheels.........
but we do not want Marvin Austin. Even with Bruce Carters injury I still would love to get this guy @ 40. He is a playmaker.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 29, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I think the other Tarheel players are worth looking at but something about Marvin Austin makes my skin crawl man. I don’t get it and I kinda feel bad about it cause I don’t know the dude but he just makes my Spidey Sense go nuts for some reason.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
The dude is lazy and has no motor at all............
As a huge Tarheel fan I saw him play for 3 years. He has proto type size and speed for a big guy but he never really produced the way he should have on the field. He was always just “decent”. He was a big time recruit that just never really put out for the team. Plus, he was the one that started all the crap that got the entire school in trouble with the NCAA. I’m not blaming that whole situation on him but he has never taken responsibility for what he did and has continued to blame others. He was just always dissappointment.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 29, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Such a waste of physical ability. I would much rather reach for a guy like Kendrick Ellis at #40 than hope we can get Austin to reach his potential in the NFL after getting paid.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
completely agree with that.....
i think i am looking forward to tonight more than i did yesterday.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 29, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Man,
That was a wild day. Lot of fun…
To this day I have no idea what that woman was singing about. Like, literally no idea. I don’t know what a hollaback girl is. But I have to imagine it is a foul, disease ridden thing that wears too much make-up just to cover up the fact that it is a forty-seven year-old fish dog. – Family guy
by BlueNSilverBlood on Apr 29, 2011 6:19 AM CDT reply actions
I'm really hoping Williams makes it down
I have to admit, Bowers would be tough to pass on. I know the knee, but….
by huslinone on Apr 29, 2011 6:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm less worried about the knee,
more worried about the system. I don’t think he can be a 3-4 player like he will be a 4-3
Semper Fi Do or Die
by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 29, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Harris pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!
seriously I want a cornerback of quality to match the Giants getting Princess
something must be seriously wrong with Princess to fall that far right?
by Archie Barberio on Apr 29, 2011 6:53 AM CDT reply actions
Princess
a few things I have read.
1 – short arms
2 – does not catch the ball well
3 – holds / interferes a lot
4 – 5 int’s when Ndamukong Suh was creating pressure / 0 since
Princess
very condescending for someone who doesn’t know who Brandon Harri is apparently.
5 int’s when Ndamukong Suh was creating pressure / 0 since
Harris played for Miami. Suh played for Nebraska.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
they’re dissing on Prince Amukamara, not Harris
by AustonianAggie on Apr 29, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
whoops,
sorry, totally misread that … though you were calling Chia Princess bc of his pleaaaaaaase.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Prince led the league in pass deflections and only gave up 2 touchdowns. Just because a guy doesn’t get an interception doesn’t mean he sucks. It means they aren’t throwing in his direction. 2009 I think, Rahim Moore, had 10 interceptions, last year I think had 1 or 2. Teams start game planning around you when you make alot of noise. Don’t get it twisted, the Giants made a damn solid pick and got good value. There is a reason the giants always give us a hard time. They draft well.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
I like Prince, but he has Carlos Rogers syndrome
He get’s his hands on a lot of footballs, which is good…he just cant catch
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
Preventing a play is also making a play too
There is nothing wrong with swatting a ball down.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Yeah I agree with Holchr here
You pay a DB to defend the pass and deflections count. I don’t think Prince is trash.
However, I do think there’s a reason that many teams passed on him and that there’s a reason Jason Garret did the whole unreserved celebration thing when NY called Prince’s number.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
You mean the 3 plays of greatness...
What a joke, it was an overrated 3 plays. And he held him to 3 catches for less than 10 yards in the second halve.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Half
I meant. Prince was the best pure cover corner in the draft. He will make an already dangerous secondary for the giants even more scary.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
He's going to get torched a lot more
GO EAT HIM UP DEZ!
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope your right...
Prince has some of the same traits as Revis.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
LOL.... not even close to Revis
Prince will be a good corner and was a good pick for the Giants.
But I hope they put him man-to-man against Dez. I will take that match-up every day.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Don't let your love of the Cowboys cloud your judgement
Remember, Dez struggled learning the play book. They had to cut the routes he had in half. Prince can trail Dez step for step. That is what Revis can do. I have seen him play.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
I'm with you Dez>Prince
Semper Fi Do or Die
by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Say what you want
but the Giants probably had the steal of the draft so far. Maybe ingram to the Saints at 27 would be up there to.
Cameron Jordan to NO
was a bigger steal than Prince to NYG. Personally, I don’t think Prince is better than Jimmy Smith (except for character of course)
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Im not sure...
I think Prince is better than Smith, but his character issues were his problem clearly.
When A&M beat Nebraska this year, it was a score of 9-6. And A&M has 1st round prospects at QB and WR for 2012. That was a lot of field goals. Thats really the most I’ve seen Prince. I think he’ll be good but not elite
by AustonianAggie on Apr 29, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
NO
Princess is not.
Blackmon ate his lunch. He was also consistently open in the second half. Weeden (QB) was running for his life.
I was at the game. Blackmon gave him an absolute ass kicking. Prince couldn’t jam him or run with him. Any talk otherwise is not credible.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
It was an "overrated" 3 plays?
So he plays one elite WR the entire year, and that one guy rips him a new one and thats overrated?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I watched the whole game.
You are basing his play off of 3 plays. The first one was under thrown and Blackmon adjusted better. Ok. It happens. The second one he did get beat, but he pass interfered to save the touchdown. That is smart. The third play was a trick gimmick play and he was playing run support. After those 3 plays how many times did justin Blackmon torch him? I’ll wait for your response…
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Ok so if it's a trick gimmick play
That means that your corner should bite?
I have nothing against the guy, but I’m assuming your a Nebraska homer.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
No, I watch football...
I saw the WHOLE game.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Ok
Well maybe you’re right, but he probably fell for a reason. Maybe that wasn’t it, but a guy puts up awesome numbers at the combine, doesn’t have character issues and I can’t help but wonder why he wasn’t picked sooner.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
you are discounting big plays like it's no big deal
If Princess could catch, he would have intercepted the underthrown pass. Elite corners make that play. Prince is good, not elite.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
I'm not saying that should define his career
but it shouldn’t be ignored so easily either.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
B.S.
Prince only gave up 2 touchdowns the whole year. And thats including the supposed torching that Blackmon gave him. And to be clear, he only gave up 1 touchdown that game off that trick play. He held Justin in check from that point on.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
We'll see how it goes
Right now, it seems to me you are probably the best informed of everyone on this board. I’d say there’s probably good reason that the pros pased on him but we will see how Dez and Miles do against him.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
The last thing we need is another CB that grabs and holds...
We had enough of that with Jenkins last year. I agree that Harris seems like a better prospect than Amakamura, as I always thought he was overrated to begin with. I’d be happy with either Harris, Williams, or even Moore at #40.
by 7footer on Apr 29, 2011 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Stefen Wisniewski!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
by Lissyyyyy on Apr 29, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I like Harris also.
There doesn’t seem to be a 5 technique worthy of the 40th pick. I hope they don’t reach for Ellis. I wouldn’t mind Wisniewski, he is plug & play and the Oline is ancient!
I'm on the Williams bandwagon
I don’t know enough about Harris, my Razorbacks didn’t play Florida this year lol
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
Cam Jordan was the steal of the draft so far
and NO really had an awesome first round getting both Jordan and Ingram.
SF taking Aldon Smith really didn’t surprise, I think he has top ten talent.
Hopefully Aaron Williams drops to us at 40.
In Romo we Trust
I like Jordan...
but will he be in the right position in New Orleans?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Passing on Watt is the most disappointing pick since Dallas passed on Steven Jackson.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 8:06 AM CDT reply actions
Possibly
at least this year you could understand what they were doing. I’m not against the Smith pick at all, but I would have been stoked with Watts as well.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
When Wade Phillips is suddenly a defensive genius again because he has Williams, Watt, Cushing, and Barwin we’ll see how people feel.
How have you felt about watching Steven Jackson star in the NFL for the last 6 years?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ll just say this and then I’m gonna blank it out bc it’s just gonna make me angry.
I ususally can look at drafts dispassionately and logically.
But like the Steven Jackson move, this time I’m just pissed.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Time will tell
I’m shaking my head that we probobly passed up on pick #49 to stop 5 spots in the 1st.
I hope everyone is right about Tyron Smith. I hope he’s worth a 1st and a 2nd round pick.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
was it said that Dallas even had that deal?
what if T Smith was head and shoulders above anyone else on Dallas’ board. they did the right thing and took him, even if he is a bust they did the right thing by following there board. IMO this also shows JG has some control, this was obviously a JG pick. this just opened up the run game a hell of alot more. no more watching Columbo enter the 20 yr old and hopefully we get to watch him dominate for 12-15 years
Jerry said he has 3 trade-down offers
and there’s no reason Jacksonville wouldn’t have offered it to us as well as Washington. We’ll never know for sure who offered what because we weren’t on the phone. But it seems pretty clear.
And Jerry said Tyron Smith was rated significantly higher than the other OTs on their board which is why he turned down the trade-down offers.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
then he stuck to his board and they chose who they thought was the best value
right or wrong, cant fault them for that.
+1
And even better…he listened to his HC and I believe in the end Garrett had A LOT to do with the T. Smith pick. Stick with your board and let your new HC put his long term plan into place.
BY the way, I too think SMith is significantly better than the other OT prospect. Casstonzo and him are the only top tier ones in my book (but Belichick could certainly prove me wrong about Solder) and while Castonzo is smarter and has better techqnie right now, he does not have the strength and athleticism of Smith.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
alot of people felt we would trade down...
I think it was either trade-up for Peterson or stay and take Smith
I've been high on JJ Watt
but Tyron is great too. now I’m looking forward to Felix Jones getting 1,400 yards
by AustonianAggie on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a good point...
I was getting pretty sick of seeing our RB’s tackled in the backfield as soon as they touched the ball. Of course we will also have to shore up our guard positions before we can feel really good about our o-line, but Smith should be a big improvement.
by 7footer on Apr 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Felix is not going to rush for 1,400 yard
he might have 1,000 yards on screens though
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I like JJ
But O-Line, and this is just my opinion obviously, was in dire straits…where as we atleast have plugable players still at DE
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
Maybe
I would have liked Watt. But at least we don’t have to have it rubbed in our faces in our Division. And hopefully Smith is a top 10 OT talent like we picked him to be.
And a comment on NO and ATL, thank god we didn’t sell out next year to get players this year. The Rookie Pay scale will be in place next year and signing 2 first round picks for the massive guarantees they’ll get compared to 1 this year and 1 next with a smaller guarantee could come to bite the saints depending on the CBA.
by Kevin Templar on Apr 29, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
"And a comment on NO and ATL, thank god we didn’t sell out next year to get players this year."
+1000
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Watt should be a great player…but great LTs are a rare find and considering the condition of our OLine and Smith’s LT potential and day RT ability, I am really happy with the pick.
Atlanta and NO clearly think they are a few players away from a SB and were willing to trade next year’s picks. Not a huge fan of what ATL did, but NO got a steal in Jordan that late and if they think they will win the SB didn’t give up too much to get Ingram for a future 1st…a guy that a lot of people compare to Emmitt. NO did very well.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Isn't this...
…I am really happy with the pick
The definition of understatement?
C’mon, fess up. What was your reaction? Fist-pumped “yeah!”? Sigh of relief? Jumping up and down? Wetting yourself (not saying urine or…)? What?
Scroll down a bit to another reply
I was “bouncing” with joy!
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I was watching with my buddies
And they were all chanting Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy, because I kept saying please be smith please be smith.
Needless to say but I was jumping and fist pumping all the way
The second OT on their board was Solder.
If we wouldve hypothetically taken the Jville trade thats probably who wouldve been our RT… I am happy with what we did.
Semper Fi Do or Die
by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Solder has the potential to be the best out of all of them...
Probably a year or two away from starting.
He's a straight BUST imo
Semper Fi Do or Die
by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
and I don't even know how you compare potential
when supposedly Tyron has been relying on potential to compete with the other “start now” OT…
Semper Fi Do or Die
by Jeremiah_24 on Apr 29, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
if he can handle the bull rush
until then, he won’t see the field especially at RT
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Bowers or Ballard at #40?
Or do we go with Aaron Williams, Brandon Harris or Rahim Moore. If you go with Moore you get the best safety anyway… but if you don’t pressure the QB you will be hard pressed to get good coverage down field.
No but Alan Ball did not look that good vs ARI...
There might be better safeties too so I’m OK going for the safe pick here, Ballard or Williams if they are available. I think we’ll just take whoever is highest on the board definitely on the D, but all 3 areas need to be addressed early in the draft so…
Charles Haley had a bad back when the Cowboys got him in 1992. They had to save him for when they needed him. Jimmy Johnson did not use him on every down He used him in combination with Jim Jeffcoat. Charles Haley was also the best rusher on the Cowboys from 1992 to 1995.
Bowers was the best defensive lineman in this draft. He was a much better rusher than JJ Watt or Jordan. Much better.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 29, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
He was a much better rusher than JJ Watt or Jordan. Much better.
might want to test your opinion against their production ratio
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/3/2/2024627/dallas-cowboys-2011-nfl-draft-defensive-playmakers
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 29, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone, except your guys, has Ryan Leaf written all over him.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
I was kinda hoping we would have traded down
And now that I see that we could have gotten a linemen much lower, we could be eating the the second round. I think the 3 round is gonna be even better.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Jacksonville traded up with Washington for their 1st and 2nd right after us
Jerry said he received 3 trade offers and was on the phone in the war room with a team while on the clock.
We got offers and chances are really good it involved Jacksonville’s 2nd rounder.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Per Jerry Jones
Jerry Jones commented on the decision made on trading back in the draft or taking Smith at the ninth spot by saying, "We didn’t want to risk losing him," Jones said of not trading down. "I gave myself a test and that was can I live with the missed opportunity of a trade more than the decision of losing him. I can live with the missed opportunity. I couldn’t live with losing him."
Personally, I don’t buy it. I think he was asking for more than the Redskins were willing to accept and/or Garrett really wanted T. Smith and JJ listened to him.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
hopefully a corner like Williams or Harris
or Marvin Austin, how exiting there’s still great value in top of the 2nd n I expect teams to start picking Qbs in front of us again.
D-Ware= sack master
rated as the # 1 pass rusher in the NFL
by salas88 on Apr 29, 2011 8:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Austin's a beast, but more of a 3 rather than a 5 technique DE,
but if RR could live with his issues, I wouldn’t complain. I don’t think he’s the choice though at #40, possibly if JJ trades down.
Austin is not a beast..........
he looks like one but he is not
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Apr 29, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You've undoubtedly seen more of Austin than I have.
The guy seems to have matured. Mayock raved about his physical condition and work-out at NC’s pro day, so I admit I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt, but If a guy shows up in mint condition physically for his dress rehearsal after a suspension, doesn’t that say something. I’d leave that judgement up to RR, but you may very well be right.
Williams or Austin!
Although, Jerry didn’t get much attention yesterday, so be ready for something crazy today!!!
Interesting premise
interior linemen tend to fall on draft day and Wisnewski’s grades have been anywhere from low-1st to mid-3rd. Scouts are split on him.
I don’t think it happens, though, because there’s so many O-line needy teams at the back-half of the draft. If he falls into the 60s he’s a value for a team with an O-line need and they pull the trigger.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Wis
I think he is a considerable reach at #40. He may not make it to #71, but there is a chance. Even if he doesn’t, we shoudl then be able to get either Rackley or Moffitt, both really good OG prospects, though neither have C talent like Wis, but we do have Costa.
I would prefer A. Williams, S. Paea, B. Harris, and dare I say it (even the pot smokers) Ballard and Houston at #40 over Wis.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I haven't slept so soundly in a LONG time
I am about as happy as this jeans and bra combo…
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
by Kegbearer on Apr 29, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is so hypnotic..bouncy bouncy !!
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
If Tyron has half the talent she does
He will be Pro Bowl LT in no time.
Speaking of her face, that little smirk give me the…anyway, it’s just as beautiful as her body.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
More. Way more.
That look in her eye, her smirk, all that revealing the little joyful teasing playing fun of someone, that lasts a lifetime. That’s beauty. I’m still on the face, despite the beauty of the rest. Keg, ya outdid yourself.
So who’s this Tyron guy you’re talking about?
Speaking of the face
I’m pretty positive she’s a porn star.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
Lela star?.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Apr 29, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Could say...
Perfect. Oh no. Irrelevant. Name? So many things. Could be a nightmare or a dream girl. Looks’re deceiving, an impression like I’ve stated wrong, the works. But her eyes smirk/smile and face brightened my day, regardless of the person she may be in reality.
And, in reality, porn star or nun, “A rose by any other name…”
she has a face?.. eyes?...
thanks for pointing that out tan..
; )
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Apr 29, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
lol nice ..........
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Costa gave up 2 sacks in 1.5 games
He should absolutely not be in our plans for Gurode’s replacement as starting center.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was only 1.5 sacks
In any case, for UDFA to come in and play his rookie year in an off position (OG instead of C) I thought he showed some good signes. I don’t think he is ready to start now, but he is one of the OL we are grooming that I actually like.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Keg
I’d feel as though I’d have died and gone to heaven if we snag Rackley or Moffitt in the 3rd.
HAHA
I woke up this morning is such good spirits I thought I was in a movie and the 1st round of the draft was just a very exciting and lucid dream. I was very happy to realize it actually happened. Add a great OG prospect and we the huge step forward for the future of our OLine becomes a giant leap.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Don't think they're much
But if he was there and we didn’t select him, well, I got nuthin’, the thought boggles my mind…
With what a good C brings, how tough they are to find/develop, the OG/C versatility, the character, the work ethic, the smarts (consider line-calls minus Kosier in a year or 2), how it plays into revising this line long-term, the works, if he falls into 3rd and us, jeez, just pull the trigger, don’t think about it. If we didn’t, I might be pulling one if I do think about it.
I’m biased, was a little surprised to see him fall into the 3rd speculation-wise, but if he’s there, oh man… – even though the “reach” gets labelled, our 2nd rounder better pan out or I’ll be hindsight moaning for years whimpering “shoulda gone with the first instincts like they always say to do”.
I'd be as happy as a pig in the proverbial ,
if we drafted our C of the future.
loving the first pick,now lets get a G-C in next 2 rounds .
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Apr 29, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
True
Why I consider it a reach, if the player you choose is good and helps your team, reach be damned. I woudl not bitch either. i just htink we can get overall more value out of this draft if we get a 1st rounder that slipped to #40 and Rackley or Moffitt int he 3rd.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
True and you could be proven right
Only way to know is to talk in hindsight. And then it gets into the “if’s”. All speculation, in the to-be Then and the Now. Player performance (individual and, more importantly, as part of a team), star or bust, all of it comes into play. And we just don’t have the answers today. But you could very well be correct, K. Or I could. Then again… – neither of us?
Just for fun, I went to the Giants and Eagles boards to see what they thought about our pick
They seam to think that Trent Cole, Osi, and Tuck are gonna eat T. Smith alive. I hope you guys are right about him. The Eagles laughed at our pick, until they made theirs. That made me laugh.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
We'll see how much they're laughing when Dez and Miles are torching Prince.
by TheBlueBaron on Apr 29, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope so
But again, Ive seen him play. Easier said than done.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
It's hoping NFC-East rivals' picks bomb, H
When the draftee’s get pro downs under their belt, we see how things pan out and match-up when playing, some tunes change, some stay the same. If the guy was our pick, the talk’d be different. He’s got his chance, has talent, your points about his play are well-founded, now it’s proof-in-the-pudding-time, his opportunity in the bigs. Personally, I’ll wait and see how he does as a Giant against our guys, then if gameplan it. If I was a coach, that is.
We will be happy to have T. Smith at RT
when we have to face the Redskins with Orakpo and Kerrigan blitzing from the outside of their 3-4. Redksins had a good draft day unfortunately
As for the others, it will be a few years, because those guys will be going up against Free at LT next season. While I assume there will be competition for the spot, my money is on Garrett letting Smith get his feet wet in the NFL at RT for at least a year, maybe two.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Jerry said he is penciled in as the right tackle
for 2011
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't think he will start at RT?!
If so, I strongly disagree
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
They may want him to play at LT which would be a big mistake
Sure sounds like Jerry wants to get out of paying Free LT money because why the heck would you move your LT that has shown he can do the job.
I believe and many have that Smith is a project and players like Carmini and Constazo are more NFL ready.
Tendered year, remember
If Free accepts Cowboys’ tender, we’ve a year’s leeway to see how this pans out, then make decisions. That’s one reason you do these things these ways.
I say sign him to 4 year deal
Sign T. Smith to 6 year deal. I don’t think Free get’s elite LT money, so lock him up for 4 years (after which point he will be 31) and let him and Smith do their thing and have interchangable OTs and let Smith take over at LT whenever he is ready. Ahhhhhh, so excited!
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
No no no
Look I’m glad Free played good, proved himself somewhat in 2010, but these high-cost contracts with little evidence in the worth/value and cost/benefit background facts have got to stop. That’s what this year is for, to give some additional time for supporting evidence before expending resources (time, money, risk, the works).
Say Free proves to be the league’s #1 elite hands-down unquestioned LT HoF-locked-up guy. Then do a deal. One according to the facts of the matter. Say he doesn’t. Do an appropriate deal. Say Free/Smith prove interchangable. Do the appropriate deals. Say Smith cuts it at RT, but not LT. Say Free cuts it at RT, but not LT and 2010 was an aberration. Say… – you get my point?
No more Barber-bitching from Cowboys fans because our FO does silly things. I’ll pay for that.
Partly agree
No need to force him to play LT his rookie year and i don’t think he is a project. I think he is better than Castonzo day 1 at RT and him an Carimi are pretty close. Yes, it will take a while for him to reach his LT potential, but he can play day 1.
I think JJ just wanted to let the world know he didn’t draft a RT at #9 and intends to make him LT one day. As for Free, he was pretty good at LT, but I don’t think he’ll get ridiculous money and his contract and Smith’s (with rookie wage scale) will not be as bad as people think. About 6-7mil a year each and they are interchangeable OTs. This is a great day for the future of our OL, offense, and Romo taking the step to become an elite QB and Garrett to open up his playbook and make the offense consistently elite, and Felix to finally prove he isn’t a bust as he gets the chance to start all year and has an improved OL.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Let him take his lumps at RT
but to play him at LT would be a serious mistake and one that Romo wont appreciate. Smith is a RT all the way not a LT IMO…
Starts at RT, Free's LT, then we see
I hesitate calling it the ‘smart" move, but I’ll do so because I know smarter people than me have seen it and said it before me.
Thanks Tan
Oh, wait, you probably mean someone else, anyway, I agree with the smart people too! There is simly no reason to force Smith to start as LT his rookie year. We have the luxury of bringing him along at our pace instead of throwing him into the fire and hope the heat doesn’t force him to bu®st…see what I did there?!
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
No, you're smart...
Assed. And otherwise.
Then again, there’s wise and otherwise. So don’t let it go to your head.
I see, I smile, even laugh, with the common sense of it. Then again, I would, I agree.
My pick for today = Ben Ijalana
I want the cowboys to draft Ijalana. Here is a guy who could absolutely kill at guard and has the versatility to play tackle.
They didn’t invite him to the ranch so chances aren’t high. But that’s my pick for #40.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:46 AM CDT reply actions
im all for fixing this O-line this year
id take Ijalana or wisnieski, id prefer wisnieski just cause he can play C. if Costa amounts to a starter then all Dallas has left to replace is Kosier. if either of the 2 are picked and costa works out 2012 draft your LG, then all of a sudden your oldest O-lineman is Free at 28 in 2012.
I think Costa is a backup
I don’t think he has what it takes to be a starter in the NFL. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with getting a solid backup out of a UDFA, nothing at all. I just don’t think he’s starter material.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
and that would be a great thing!
Please Jerry, back-to-back O-lin picks!
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Defence... OG is not critical, but I'm sure we will add depth there
The next pick will be DE/FS/CB/ILB – decent depth in this draft at Guard anyway, but if not we can get something in Free Agency
its very boring draft but a neccessary boring
It be so fun to watch Jones/Choice actually have running holes, they can actually have 2 T that can pull and lead the way now, watching Romo not have to run for his life, not having to leave Witten to help block, Goal line TDs!
yeah and Tyron is good in both areas
Free/Smith may develop to the best OT combo we’ve ever had. Remember even in the 90’s there were some weaknesses there.
I like Ijalana and we need an OG
But with guys like Racklley and Moffitt (maybe even Wis) at #71, I would rather wait to draft a versatile OG and go with guys like A. Williams or S. Paea at #40.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I don't know why we are so high on Aaron Williams
When Curtis Brown was the better CB…
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
because williams is projected to switch to safety and end up being the best safety in this draft class
plus the kid is an easy learner and a great teammate, and is good on and off the field
I don't know...
Curtis Brown I watched them both play and I just saw something more in Browns play really. I think everyone likes Willams because of his size. I don’t know about him really. And Im done with the cb/safety conversions.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
I can't see us going after Bowers...
Garrett will not take any chances
I feel bad for the guy, but that knee and he's just not suited for the 34D, so I'd
be surprised if he’s even on our board.
Damn you all to hell Belichick
Got supposed “value” plus, more importantly, might’ve moved up by forestalling an extra 1st one year. What’re the chances NO finishes in the top 4? Even at 5 the pick remains the same slot-wise. And even if it drops, doesn’t this draft stuff just prove that slight positioning kinda moot when considered range-wise. Damn, damn, damn.
Now for the speculation: Indy, good pick. NO, good “value”, could work for ya. Atlanta, are you sure? Man. Chi, can only say “Da Bears”. Too bad Watkins’ an Eagle. Makes it tough to cheer him on.
And for the most important one, I’d be saying it no matter who, “Welcome aboard, Tyron, do us proud. How ’bout dem Cowboys!”
They're eagles fans, it's what they do
These are the people that boo’d Donovan McNabb from literally the moment he was drafted to the day he left.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
haha it's true
No NFL player should be subjected to having to be a Philadelphia Eagle.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 29, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Should be written into the new CBA
No NFL player should be subjected to having to be a Philadelphia Eagle.
I'll second that
They boo any and everything
Eagles fans would boo if they drafted Jesus.
by TheBlueBaron on Apr 29, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eagles fans Boo!
Looking in the mirror.
by tanstaafl on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
HAHAHA
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Eagles fan
I agree with you about Watkins. I was hoping for Jimmy Smith myself to have at least one big CB but I like our pick anyway. I never booed it at all and the Eagle fans I know didn’t either. Watkins probably wasn’t really anyones first pick but he is a SOLID pick and will be an instant upgrade and a solid starter hopefully for years to come.
By the way as much as I hate to say thing Tyron Smith was a solid pick as well. Good draft so far.
Because they wanted prince or j smith
There was no way in hell I would have been happy taking Watkins as a 1st rounder. Lower second to third…Yes. Just be happy they didn’t get prince or Jimmy Smith
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
As a 4-3 DE?
I like Bowers, but besides how much his knee condition worries me 9some team doctors feel he won’t even finish out his rookie contract, I also don’t think he fits well in a 3-4. He is big, but doesn’t play with power (not strong) though he is a great pass rusher for a 4-3.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Bowers could be used in combination with Igor Olshansky. Igor Olshansky is good at stopping the run. Bowers plays on passing downs. Igor Olshansky all of a sudden becomes a lot more useful.
Jimmy Johnson used to save Charles Haley too.
Plus Ryan likes to move players around.
Jimmy Johnson used up to ten defensive linemen in 1992
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Sorry, No. Tired of situational substitutions screwing us.
Phase it out as much as possible. Conceal intentions. Hide in plain sight. No more of this “they’re bltizing”, “they’re expecting the…”, they’re…
I kind of remember Jimmy Johnson doing just that.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 29, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
wouldn’ t use Bowers on running downs. Keep him and his knee fresh. Igor Olshansky’s name is Igor for a reason. He can take the punishment on running plays.
All we would want Bowers to do is go after the QB.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
For me it's fairly simple
In RD2 we need a DB. Our DBs: Newman, Ball, and Sensi need to be given the boot by next season, all three of them plus a regression by Jenkins last season directly lead to our poor defense which in turn combined with horrible OLine play meant 6-10. I’m willing to give Newman 1 more year, but DAMNIT I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING GARBAGE VARIETY SAFTIES. That play in the 2009 playoffs against the Vikings where Sensi never got his head turned on the TD to Rice was foreshadowing as to how JAG he is. Allan Ball is another joke. There’s no MUST have Guard/Center in the 2nd Rd; There’s no MUST have DL/DE because Bowers is a 4-3 DE, and I’m not sold on Marvin Austin. We need one of the following guys:
1) Rahim Moore
2) Aaron Williams
3) Brandon Harris
4) Ras-I Dowling
5) Curtis Brown
We got a starter at RT; now WE NEED to get a future starter at CB or an immediate impact player at Safety. We can address Guard/Center in Rd 3 and DL/OLB later on. I’m sick of GB, NYG, Philly, having better DBs than us. I’m sick of watching our DBs get burned in almost every big moment. Plays like the one Bryan McCann made against the Giants last year always seem to come few and far between for us.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
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