Dallas Cowboys 2011 Draft: What Just Happened? What Comes Next?
by KD Drummond on Apr 30, 2011 12:00 AM CDT
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PrintQuick review time. The Cowboys entered the 2011 NFL Draft with major holes at offensive tackle and safety. They had a need at defensive end, inside linebacker and could use help at cornerback as well as offensive guard. If there was a future stud at defensive tackle, he was worth taking. Those were the perceived needs when analyzing the current roster.
The Cowboys fulfilled the major need at offensive tackle with the top prospect at the position, USC's Tyron Smith. From there though, we caught a glimpse at how the Cowboys brass sees things, and the vision was a lot different than the one a lot of fans had.That's not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes, the confusion is warranted. Only time will tell for this draft class, which is always the case for both positive and negative opinions.
The selection of UNC's Bruce Carter shows that the Cowboys did not currently have the right mix of linebackers for Rob Ryan's exotic schemes. I envision Carter as at least the nickel linebacker as soon as the bye week. The Cowboys then turned around and selected Oklahoma running back Demarco Murray in the third round. To me, this not only signals that Marion Barber will be a cap casualty as soon as legally possible, but also that the team doesn't have any long range plans for Tashard Choice. Could it be possible that the team has a wink-wink deal ready to go for Choice? I'm rationalizing... I know.
Here's what you need to remember about the draft starting with round four. The big boards mean everything now. How you evaluated the middle tiers of the draft will determine the true grade of your draft in years to come. Often times, you could have a prospect ranked #100 and get him in the sixth round.
Follow the jump for a look at the prospects that could fit into Dallas' plans on Day Three of the 2011 Draft.
Here's SB Nation's Draft Site, MockingTheDraft.com's top 10 remaining available players. Here's the link to the top 30.
| Rank | Player | Position | College |
| 1 | Clint Boling | G | Georgia |
| 2 | Sam Acho | DE | Texas |
| 3 | Quan Sturdivant | LB | UNC |
| 4 | Edmund Gates | WR | Abilene Christian |
| 5 | Marcus Cannon | G | TCU |
| 6 | Christian Ballard | DE | Iowa |
| 7 | DeMarcus Love | G | Arkansas |
| 8 | Virgil Green | TE | Nevada |
| 9 | Johnny White | RB | UNC |
| 10 | Chris Hairston | TE | Clemson |
Here's a look at some of the top remaining prospects by position:
Safety
DeAndre McDaniel
Deunta Williams
Ahmad Black
Robert Sands
Tyler Sash
Quinton Carter
Da'Norris Searcy
Cornerback
Davon House
Brandon Burton
Chykie Brown
Buster Skrine
Jalil Brown
Korey Lindsey
Rashad Carmichael
Brandon Burton
Offensive Guard
Jason Pinkston
Marcus Cannon
Clint Boling
Stephen Schilling
DeMarcus Love
Defensive End
Lawrence Guy
Christian Ballard
Cedric Thornton
Nose Tackle
Jerrel Powe
Center
Brandon Fusco
Jake Kirkpatrick
Tim Barnes
Outside Linebacker
Sam Acho
Steven Friday
Inside Linebacker
Quan Sturdivant
Fullback
Owen Marecic
Henry Hynoski
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I see alot of crying on here
Carter was a top 15 talent, thats a steal
Murray is electricfying so we just made our offense even more potent
we will get a CB and DE relax everyone
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
Precisely
With the new strength and conditioning coach on board Carter will be an absolute monster, he;s faster then some DB’s and he lays da wood. And Murray turns on da afterburners. Everyone mad n all I’m lovin this draft
Finesse linebacker and RB
Bobby Carpenter the second
and cutting Tashard and Marion to justify the 3rd rnd pick.
Great, no GREAT draft.
by Conan the Cimmerian on Apr 30, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly, you don't draft simply for need
Drafting strictly for need will simply get you a lot of busts and a bad draft. You take the BPA and if that fits a need, great, if not, so what.
You have a good prospect you had ranked the highest prospect on your board and he’ll fit in somewhere. Bruce Carter is a top 15 talent when healthy, you can’t pass him up in the second round…thats crazy.
Murray is a ST guy as well and Jerry pointed out in his presser that we need a RB that can play ST, unlike Choice. Doesn’t mean Choice is out, just means we like Murray.
Fans have to realize you don’t just for need….thats a bad strategy.
In Romo we Trust
Well, the Cowboys record of success over the last decade and a half says otherwise.
I never realized how split this argument was between fans (BPA vs. need). Really divisive topic.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Picking for need is really bad...really bad
For instance, Cowboys biggest need is at safety, but there aren’t good safeties in this class….so drafting one just because you have a need there doesn’t make sense.
Teams have to trust their scouting dept and their boards….like Jerry said he pays these guys a lot of money, why do so if you’re not going to listen to them??
In Romo we Trust
I think you have to weigh it out.
I agree about the safety thing. This crop sucks. No way I would blow an early pick on one of those guys just because there’s a need. But the OG and D-line crop is a different story. I don’t think the difference between a guy like Wiesniewski and Carter was so great that you go with the guy who you have ranked higher over the guy that is still a solid player and a great value at the slot and fills an immediate need. Same goes for Murray and Ellis.
It’s not even that I think we got two crappy players. I don’t. I think we got two very solid players. I just don’t think those two players were necessarily in our best interest.
They can still convince me that they know what they’re doing, but it’s going to take a haul of something like Ballard, Cannon, Hynoski, and Henery. Then we successfully addressed OT, ILB, RB, DE, OG, FB, and K and all of a sudden this draft looks really good. Address FS in FA and maybe go get another guy on both lines and call it an offseason. But, being that they don’t seem to care about their needs too much I’m not getting my hopes up.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
What TXHC said...
Seems like a lot of folks really want to justify at least one real head-scratcher pick. I will give Bruce Carter the benefit of the doubt, but RB in the third just didn’t make any sense.
We’ll see what they do today. They don’t have to take our pet cats, do you guys honestly think they won’t do something else like pick a TE?
Our brain trust has been sub-par of late, and if you guys think they aren’t, well I guess I’m from Missouri: Show Me.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
That's exactly how I feel
I was OK with Carter, although the need for a G and the injury caused me to hesitate. I’m not Ok with a RB, when other needs are far greater. At least from where Isit. Maybe JG likes what he has in the bullpen for G/C….
Don't believe everything you think.
Baloney
The best player available in the draft at #9 was NOT Tyron Smith, but he filled a need so they took him.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Fine one
draft analyst list of players who ranks Tyron Smith as the 9th best player in the draft.
You won’t. This BPA argument has flaws. You could argue that Blaine Gabbert was a better player available at 9. I like the T. Smith pick. It’s the others, and the tired BPA argument that I disagree with.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Yeah, no one actually goes pure BPA
especially not a team that has serious holes in the roster.
Don't believe everything you think.
he was #7 on Gosselin's list as well
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Quinn, Fairley, and Gabbert are all better.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
True..
..but I wonder if a good draft in our position is a healthy mix between need & BPA?
FEAR the STAR.
That's more like it
And to me, it doesn’t support the Cowboys 2nd and 3rd round selections.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
FA G and CB
I believe the Cowboys are anticipating a cap free year and will pick up Clabo and Nnamdi to fill our needs. Jerry was at his best without a cap and his going to revert to his early 90s ways.
It is my only reason to why we picked a LB and RB.
by Prime Time on Apr 30, 2011 8:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought the Falcons locked up Clabo before the lockout
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Hmm...
Maybe not. Not sure where I read that.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
NO the Falcons have not locked up Clabo.
They probably will now that they traded away all of their picks though.
It is this dependence on FA OL that got us to this place to begin with. We need to draft and develop our own OL talent. That way we can have some inexpensive pieces instead of over priced underachievers.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
you seriously crack me up lol.
i love to hear how this person was a top 15 pick a huge steal but he’s yet to have taken a snap in 2 years? did you read his weakness bc its the most important things for a 3-4 ILB. plays finese, knee injurys, isn’t instinctive. i cant see how someone with those red flags would even be considered before the 3rd round. i dont get what was so electricfing about a RB that cant stay healthy bc he runs upright but hey you seem to know it all on here so we should be in the super bowl with 3 picks we got so far.any CB or DE you get now is just a special teams player, project or something not right.
it was awful funny to see Wade coming away with some impact players to rebuild that defense. it would be pretty bad if Wade turned a 4-3 defense around into a 3-4 but still ranked higher then Dallas
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
If he didn't play a snap in 2 years then please explain to me how he tore his ACL in a game last Nov?
Maybe he ran out on the field carrying gatorade to the players on a TO?
And Mayock rated him a top 15 pick for his skill carrying said gatorade?
i thought it happened early in the season but either way those injuries take 2 yrs to heal 100%
you can make it back in 8 months but you wont be the same player for a couple of years & that was what i meant by it.
well if he had such a high grade then why did fall to 40 & possibly to the end of the 3rd if dallas didn’t take him? who knows he might still be on the board lol. maybe he was rated for carrying gatorade to the real guys playing. when did Mayock have him rated as a top 15 player?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
this team is about speed now
we are adding major speed to the team I like it
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
I think you're rationalizing
…the same way others did after the 2009 draft class.
Dallas has who at safety? Dallas will have who lining up next to Ratliff? Dallas will have who starting at OG?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
by 5Blings on Apr 30, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you expected every hole on this team to be filled in the first 3 rounds of the draft,
I think your expectations might not be realistic. Sometimes the talent in the draft doesn’t match your needs identically. There is still this thing called free agency too.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, that would make some sense IF
if there were no good value options left when Dallas picked in the 2nd and 3rd rounds at positions of need. The consensus is that there were quite a few options available there.
What it feels like Dallas did was to pick the absolute highest BPA from their board without regard for position. Add to that that Carter would likely have been available in round 3, and there were many guys we could have gotten that we need much more (and been good values) over Murray.
I cannot justify these two picks as they are. Particularly the Murray pick.
that's all speculation on your part. I'm sure nobody in the organization would agree.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Generally the same organization that delivered the 2009 class
Forgive me and some others if we choose not to join the other sheep.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
thanks, better than I could have said it.
2009 made me a skeptic, not to mention all the missed opportunities Dallas has had to pick some players that at least had a chance to fit into glaring needs holes on the team.
Sometimes the wrong player in the position of glaring need can help a team better than...
The right player at a position that can’t or won’t have a major impact.
Murray is a perfect example. The #2 or 3 RB is more important than an OG????
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
This.
There was decent Gaurds left anyway.
To this day I have no idea what that woman was singing about. Like, literally no idea. I don’t know what a hollaback girl is. But I have to imagine it is a foul, disease ridden thing that wears too much make-up just to cover up the fact that it is a forty-seven year-old fish dog. – Family guy
by BlueNSilverBlood on Apr 30, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep Mofitt would have been a much better pick IMO than Murray.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
what if Mallett had been the BPA at 40
would you advocate taking him?
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 30, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
And if no, then why not?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Yes , but with Mallet is more than talent. He uses/ used drugs
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 30, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
That's funny. For me it was the 2008 draft that made me a skeptic.
That draft was a disaster with two first round picks I wouldn’t have taken that led directly to the Roy Williams trade which led directly to the 2009 draft.
It was the 2008 draft once Parcells left which set up the 2009 draft.
Funny. Everyone here loved the 2008 draft.
Where is my arm chair GM cap. I was better at that draft than 90% of the public who loved it.
by Sharksbreath on Apr 30, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
why so pessimistic?
It’s not very healthy. And you can point to a lot of good draft classes when we’ve actually had first and second round picks.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
REALISTIC
It’s what you end up with when the optimism going into the draft is met with needless gambling.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
no pessimistic
because we have no clue how good any of these guys are going to be. You can’t be realistic right now. You can be optimistic or pessimistic.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying no one should weigh in with an opinion?
That’s interesting…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
i'm just saying don't act like the roof's falling down.
It’s not like we drafted guys with zero production or potential.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude, who are you?
Blings has been gracing these pages with top notch analysis for years. Far too simplistic to merely label his analysis pessimistic.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
second picks have been a gong show recently
Rodgers, Burnett, Fasano, Bennett, nobody.
Not lots of quality starts there. Maybe Lee helps.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 30, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
In other words, they should've drafted a crappy safety, not the best player available that fit the system. Okay...
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Like Jason Williams?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Let's hope so, since you said similar positive things in 2009
Not sure your analysis has been so hot, although your fears about Dez are starting to materialize.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
If you mean in this draft, there have been a lot more than safeties available
like OGs and DEs, especially the OGs
+1
I’m sure I should be more optimistic, but this staff hasn’t earned our optimism in my opinion.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Thank You! I thought I was the only one being pragmatic about this new regime.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
What new regime. JJ is still their.
His track record speaks for itself since Jimmy left.
Not good.
by Sharksbreath on Apr 30, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
to me B.Carter sounded a lot like JWill but Carter just wasnt as good of a tackler
i’ve seen 1 upgrade through the first 3 rounds & after that 2009 draft nothing makes sense around Valley Ranch.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Again, rationaliziing
You could not give this draft, based on who got picked and who was still on the board, any grade above a “C”.
And you can’t count on late round heroics to overcome early round errors.
Dallas is still not a good drafting team…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The fact we drafted a special teams player in the 3rd round
and Bobby Carpenter 2.0 probobly
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
You said that better than I would have...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
lol
and your grades are based on what?
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
years and years of watching Dallas botch the draft since Jimmy left
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I disagree with that..
Jerry: “We liked that he could have an impact on special teams”
Garrett:“We expect day 1 and day 2 guys to start for us”
SO again, say what you want but I think Garret doesn’t trust Choice at all, Felix to stay healthy and Barber is about to be cut.
All of these guys are going to see major time by the end of 2012 I think. WHo knows when it comes to health, but if we can avoid injuried, I believe this lb core has been greatly improved the last two years.
When it comes to rb, I don’t agree with the organization that we can dramatically improve production with better talent, but that seems to be what Garrett thinks.
key word
“probably”… no one knows for sure
he could be the next barbie or he could be the next lawrence timmons
by howboutdemcowboyz on Apr 30, 2011 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
They could still salvage it (not likely though, Jerry is a buffoon). If they come away with Ballard, Cannon, Hynoski, and Henery I think I change my tune from my howling in the draft thread.
I’m not holding my breath though.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
+ 100000
the fact that Jerruh screwed the trade up with Jacksonville was a sign of bad things to come. we could’ve had another potential starter with that extra pick & still got Smith or one of the other OTs. i think Dallas was the only team boosting Smiths stock bc the Pats didn’t hesitate 1 second to get the Solder pick in, i heard both McShay & Mayock say great things about Solder & possibly being the best OT in this years draft.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
What trade with Jacksonville? You have no proof that Jacksonville called us with that offer.
It is pure speculation.
And Solder needs work. He may or may not turn out to be the top OT. But he needs a year or 2 of work to be there.
none of us were in the war room
so we have to take Jerry at his word, but he said he had the same offer, but didn’t take it because he knew he would lose Smith. That is just foolish. taking that trade would have aloud us to still get Castonzo or Solder AND have either 2 early 2nd round picks to fill other needs or arm us with enough to get back into the end of the first and get Jordan, a DB or Ingram.
Ok, I hadn't heard that Jerry confirmed that they had that offer.
Honestly I would have preferred the trade down then. Just to be able to pick up Wis in the 2nd. Or pick up Cam Jordan in the 1st and use the extra 2nd to get back up into the 1st at the end and get Sherrod.
But if either Jordan or Sherrod hadn’t been awesome then Jerry would have been crucified for being “cute” and trading down and picking busts.
umm are you really that ignorant?
it was COMFIRMED that the same deal the Redskins took was offered to us first. it was on one of the Dallas radio talking shows.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I'm sorry but you're wrong.
It was not unrealistic.
We know the safety class sucks, so we’re going to have to address that in FA to have any chance of upgrading. That’s given.
But OG and the D-line absolutely could have been addressed. We could have had Wiesniewski in the 2nd and Ellis in the 3rd.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
According to the Jets blog Ellis has assault charges pending on him.
JG seems to be avoiding bad character guys.
Dallas will sign Huff
And in time AOA will step up. OG could be FA could be they see something on the roster…Doug Free didn’t start day 1
no we drafted straight scrubs in 09
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Go back and read the responses when I berated the team shorty afterwards...
People want to believe…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That is true.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Come on Maaan!
None of the Free Safeties that were available in this draft are better than AOA, IMO. The only one close is Moore, and I’d rather have Carter. Dallas has 2 solid DE’s next to Ratliff, and still have a chance at Ballard, who everyone had in the 2nd. We didn’t NEED a starter at DE, just a nice piece to add to the rotation. And finally, I don’t see Rackley or Moffitt coming in and starting over Kosier or Davis year 1, and Cannon, Love, and Kilpatrick are all still out there.
Ya’ll need to calm the hell down..
by Ceasaleo on Apr 30, 2011 7:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
so we don't need DE's? which are we keeping bc all 3 need contracts
Jerry tried to give Spears away last season to the Fins for a 5th rd but they didn’t bite & i have to think after this knee issue he’s not the kind of guy you can count on to do much anymore. it wasn’t like he was ever that good to start with…
Hatcher didn’t seem to show much when he had his chance & resigning him might be more then its worth with the skillset he’s shown. he’s basically just a JAG.
Bowen will be resigned but is more of a pass rushing DE with some upside. that leaves only 1 starting DE under contract & thats Igor so good luck getting any pressure with him on the field. we don’t have any rotation or real depth at DE which is why teams have more then enough time to throw the ball on us & add in Spencers lack of pass rush ability then were screwed along the DL.
it just Ratliff & Ware up front trying to get pressure on the QB. no pass rush means exposed secondary
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
last season they were in talks with the Fins before the draft
Bill wanted them to basically give him up for nothing like the other picks Jerry did but Stephen said they needed a return of a atleast 5th to replace.
i don’t know when you missed it but it happened
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
You just answered ur own question
Bowen gets resigned, so he and Igor start, and like u said Bowen is a pass rushing DE, so he helps Rat and DWare with pressuring the QB. Spears is gone, Hatcher will be back, and Lissemore is still in the fold. Add a DE today and your rotation is pretty solid.
by Ceasaleo on Apr 30, 2011 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
THESE ARE J.A.G.'S
we were the worst Defense in the league last year. Why go into this year with the plan to resign a bunch of underacheivers who helped you earn that title when you could rebuild.
So basically..
You wanted us to draft 2 DE with 2 of our 1st 3 pick?.. That would’ve been really stupid. The biggest underachiever (Spears) will be gone. Bowen isn’t (IMO) one. Igor plays to his talent level, and here’s hoping Hatcher can put things together under a new regime. I like what we’ve done so far, and I look forward to seeing what we pick up today. Hopefully, DE, CB, and OG.
by Ceasaleo on Apr 30, 2011 10:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
what did you see from AOA at safety last year
that makes you think no draft pick could rival him?
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 30, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
He's got a star on his helmet.
Other than that I don’t know.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Im not too optimistic on him...
Hope I’m wrong.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
I hope the guy comes through
but have nothing to go on.
I remember when everyone wanted Bullets Davis to be a starting safety because he was so strong on teams. Everyone knew he would be an impact safety!
Wrong kind of impact, friendo.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 30, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This draft is way more high risk than neccessary
- Tyron Smith could easily bust. He’s all potential, no production.
- Bruce Carter’s film scares the hell out of me, he looks afraid to tackle. I want you to watch the film of him then tell me what’s going to happen the first time he tries to tackle Brandon Jacobs. He could easily be a bust in the NFL.
- DeMarco Murray was a reach at 3, never the same after a blown-out knee and joins a crowded backfield
It’s extremely easy to see how every one of these picks could blow up. They could also turn out to be high reward. But why take so much risk? All this team needs to do is protect Romo and get some more talent on the defense and it is solid. Why take so many gambles? If they all turn up snake-eyes then our superbowl window is slammed shut. That’s it.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:09 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
You've stated my thoughts exactly.
Although I’ll give them a pass with Smith, I just don’t think there were any good options there, and it was the best choice, assuming someone just behind them didn’t want to move up.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Apr 30, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
we could've got Watt or Fairley & found a starting RT in the 2nd rd.
its not like a starting RT is that hard to find in the later rounds, i even heard Mayock talking about an OT taken in the 3rd round & saying he was a day 1 starter.
this team loves some RTs & RBs
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Just saw some film of him
Dude is definitely a “finesse” LB. We’re so screwed
by somebodyquiet on Apr 30, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That's interesting
Because the scouting report is that he’s a big banger of a linebacker — Lee will be the “smart” ILB while Carter will be the “muscle”.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I just didn't see it
I really really hope I’m wrong. I’m gonna root for him but I didn’t see him as a banger
by somebodyquiet on Apr 30, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I just made a fanpost, tell me he's a "banger"
it’s 4 games of films
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice post BED.
I’m hopeful that all these guys turn out great, and personally I really like the OT Smith pick.
The Carter pick is a bit concerning though. He could be good but I agree with your assessment that he doesn’t appear very physical in those games you posted. He showed great athleticism but he also seemed to be late reacting and miss some tackles. Perhaps those games were just poor showings for him and he’s usually more engaged (I hope so!).
Murray looks like a solid player but to me this team is loaded at the skill positions. What it needs is muscle upfront on O. There was some very promising Guards that went right after this pick. I’m concerned this will be a major regret in a season or two.
Not impressed by Carter
He’s obviously freakishly athletic, but he absolutely looks afraid to tackle. We definitely drafted an athlete who needs to learn more about being a football player.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Apr 30, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
+1,000,000,000
well said Blue
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I'm thinking...
Boling or Pinkston in the 4th.
Lawrence Guy in the 5th.
CB, S, or WR in the 6th – Carmichael, Sash (or somebody falling), Maehl/Shorts?
7th is up for grabs.
I said it was impossible for Jerry to screw up the 2nd round
Then he drafts a linebacker whose idea of tackling is 0:30 into this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wCYcokDm-E&feature=player_embedded
F*ing brilliant.
Never underestimate Jerry’s ability to draft guys that can’t play in the NFL.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
You're overreacting
One play does no define a player.
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Watch
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/4/30/2144503/bruce-carver-blown-coverages-phanton-tackles
Here’s 4 games of tape
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvT1-jk0fNQ&feature=related
in this video at 20 seconds he decleats a guy. vs LSU it was pretty sweet
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
all this footage is weird… wish it was the whole tape. It’s skipping ahead a lot through the games
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Like we couldn't make similar videos of bad plays of everyone drafted in the 3rd round
cowboys.xanadu-fx.com
Looks like he hit his teammate.
by dallasgoesalltheway on Apr 30, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
He could have crushed the dude
and knocked teammate out of the way. FINESSE! Watch the tape BED put up. Only decent game is 2010 LSU, as mentioned above by Austonian Aggie.
To this day I have no idea what that woman was singing about. Like, literally no idea. I don’t know what a hollaback girl is. But I have to imagine it is a foul, disease ridden thing that wears too much make-up just to cover up the fact that it is a forty-seven year-old fish dog. – Family guy
by BlueNSilverBlood on Apr 30, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
So Bruce Carter
is the only player who has ever missed a tackle? Quit crying because the player you wanted didn’t get chosen.
Watch
4 games of tape:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/4/30/2144503/bruce-carver-blown-coverages-phanton-tackles
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
You cannot seriously be passing judgement based on one select play.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I just made a fanpost with 4 games of tape
Enjoy.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/4/30/2144503/bruce-carver-blown-coverages-phanton-tackles
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
BED, I don't get where you are going with this...
I’ve seen the tape. I can distinguish between positive and negative plays. But I am still no Rex Ryan. If Ryan wanted this guy because he looked at our roster and figured we didn’t have a guy with Carter’s versatility, who are you to say it was a bad pick now? Are you Rex Ryan? Give the kid sometime to prove himself. Give Rex some time to prove himself.
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean Rob Right, LDV?
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
I always confuse them… Damn Buddy…
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
The thing that kills me is...
If the Cowboys had selected Wisniewski, everyone would be saying “WHAT A GREAT PICK BY GARRETT/RYAN”. But since some people don’t like it, those people say “Man, that was a Jerry pick”.
It just bothers me.
They act like Jerry has NEVER made a good pick and that JG is some amazing draft guru.
Poor JJ. for him, perception is reality
I’ve been saying it for years, he’ll never get credit and always the blame. He should just hire a real GM.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
haha i saw that
to be fair he got hit by his OLB
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the film.
I saw little that I was impressed with except for speed. I saw no square-up-and -smash tackles. I hit harder than that w/o pads…
Also, who said that was Jerry’s pick :(((((((( After yesterday, I would have said Garrett much more in charge.
To this day I have no idea what that woman was singing about. Like, literally no idea. I don’t know what a hollaback girl is. But I have to imagine it is a foul, disease ridden thing that wears too much make-up just to cover up the fact that it is a forty-seven year-old fish dog. – Family guy
by BlueNSilverBlood on Apr 30, 2011 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
please please please
it was bad enough that barbie got to wear # 54, we can not let this guy wear it as well
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
Randy White
I remember when people were saying that when Randy White got that # after Howley.
Just sayin!
come on pay attention
look i wasn’t excited when i first saw the pick either, but i’m still gonna give our trainers some time before i say he’s trash…he was projected rather high before the injury. now in regards to being afraid to tackle from the clip at 0:30 he was clearly hit by his own teammate so that particular play doesnt show me anything about him being afraid to hit somebody just my thoughts on this quite heated debate
lois: I'm sorry there's no one here by the name of Longrod Von Hugendong...
quagmire: eh eh eh I'll take that.
by Cowboys_Attack on Apr 30, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
possibly McDaniel
he looks to be capable of competing for a starting SS job & with Sensabaugh wanting to get paid more then he’s worth we could be in deep sh!t. a rookie SS & vet FS Like Huff or Weddle would work but that has to happen before you feel comfortable with them on the field
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
EVERY player drafted we had in for a visit
Going to be one of Edmund Gates, Quinton Carter, or Brandon Burton in the 4th. Maybe Christian Ballard but with Garrett were high on character probably not.
Well, Christian Ballard...
is the only D Lineman left unpicked. I sure hope if we’re willing to take a risk on a guy coming off ACL surgery, we’d take a risk on a guy who smoked pot pre-combine….sure it was completely moronic, but Warren Sapp did the same thing and turned out to be a pretty good player.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
I think in the 4th we go safety
Could any of the safeties start ?
What about ..
Quinton Carter…he seems like a really smart player. Pair him with a Michael Huff or Sensabaugh
Yeah...
I think we should stay away from Safety this late. AOA is probably our best bet at safety. I like either Burton or Boling in the 4th. Could Boling start at LG?
I agree
Dont know much about Boling, I’m sure Chia could answer that question for ya. I wouldnt mind Burton
When is the
supplemental draft when we could take Janoris Jenkins?
not sure when it is, and didnt Jenkins have some character flaws? Dont know how keen JG would be to that but its a possibility.
He got arrested on marijuana possession.
Scouts said he would have been first round pick this year if he declared but he went back to Florida and got kicked off the team.
http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/supplementdraft.htm
just says after the regular draft and before each season begins
i think McDaniel or Carter could start at SS but we need a FA for FS
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
"What just happened?" Nice lol
We threw away a 3rd rounder on a position that is not need,
is the easiest to fill in the whole NFL (I can every team a starter at RB, but good luck finding 32 decent kickers),
is now “run by commitee” anyways,
and is increasingly statistically proven to be in decline.
Wow.
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by Realist Larry on Apr 30, 2011 12:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ugh
How many LBs has this team taken in the last 5 drafts with their first three picks?
It’s become comical.
They really like what they have at OG?!?!
Rahim Moore went at 45 and I hope Dallas doesn’t end up regretting it.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Rahim Moore
Is really overrated. What is all the hype with that guy?
You prefer Ball?
I don’t think Dallas is in a position to be worrying about someone being “overrated” because anything would be an upgrade and they had a shot at this year’s best bet.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I would rather take
a chance with AOA or take a free agent.
Why?
Because the FA route has worked so well before?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I would much rather go through the draft
But the safety/CB class this year was not rated very strong at all.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
the same could be said about the OT class
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
It hasn't been bad
Ken Hamlin was alot better than Alan Ball and better than a rookie FS would have been.
Better than Jairus Byrd?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
What about Michael Huff and Nnambi?
There’s a possiblity the Cowboys are going the FA route, and we still have AOA back there.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
AOA looks "overrated" if anyone does...
Naamdi wants insane money.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I was referring to his draft position
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
He was a 4th rounder
And could have been a 2nd or 3rd rounder this year in this weak safety class.
And was supposed to be in the running for FS
…and he looked very stiff in the return game, which doesn’t bode well for his ability to mirror receivers in the NFL.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
And the baseless optimism that surrounds him...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
some guys people just get excited for
and he is one of them. Phillips seems like another. Ogletree was.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 30, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
As soon as the star gets slapped on some fans declare them instant hall of famers.
I’ve never understood it.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This is what baffles me
they cannot be so stupid as to think Davis can start for another year. Please tell me they aren’t that stupid.
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Davis isn't that bad.
Once Garrett took over his play improved. I’m more worried about Kosier than Davis.
Yes Davis is THAT BAD
and that was last year dude, this year his play will decline even more.
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
He was a liability with a big contract
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
My mistake
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Really?
I thought Kosier was more reliable and gave up less bad plays even though he’s not as physically gifted as Davis.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Both gave us some good years
The decline of talent is like falling off a cliff at this point, however.
Older FA OL are only stop gaps, yet we always treat them as the end all be all answer to the problem.
There is still free agency...
Who knows what their grand plan is… They might be thinking that the OG money is better spent on an available free agent.
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
They have a grand plan?
What makes you so sure?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
does Garrett look like a man without a plan?
Of course they have a plan. draft will determine free agent needs
Because I trust JG...
I didn’t when he was first hired. I withheld judgment until I saw his coaching hires and the draft. He was the discipline behind the Smith pick. You could see his signature all over that.
Raheem Moore is terrible
I’m a SoCal (UCLA fan going back to the Aikman days) and I’ve seen every game in Moore’s career. I was hoping against hope that we wouldn’t pick him, because he’s a middling-to-poor tackler with no ball skills.
I know that doesn’t seem to compute with the fact that he had 10 picks 2 seasons ago, but trust me, those were 10 of the luckiest picks you will ever see. They were nearly all due to a pass being either overthrown or deflected. Not a single one was due to Moore making a play on the ball before the receiver could. Notice that he had only 1 pick this past season? That’s because the kind of luck he had in 2009 only comes once in a lifetime.
they also didnt throw his way
from what i heard is teams stayed away from Moore which is 1 reason his picks went down. the only reason he wasn’t a 1st rd pick was bc of his 40 time but he plays faster in pads & should be a decent starting FS in a couple of years
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Seriously...
how is this team so willing to pick lber after lber without addressing the ol seriously? It doesn’t make sense. Carpenter, Spencer, Williams, Williams, Butler, Lee, Carter. All top 4 round picks I believe.
I think this organization likely seriously underrates offensive line players. Its just the only explanation. Maybe I’m naive, but I truly believe they’ve been going BPA on a lot of these drafts, and its just not working out.
As for Moore, I’ve seen many skeptical reviews. I’d rather grab Huff and see what AOA has.
I agree man
there’s a fundamental flaw in their strategy. I’m sure the LB and RB are great guys, but a bad team can’t afford to shop the same way a good team does.
Don't believe everything you think.
Funny that I remember in the early '90s...
Jerry didn’t value LBs very much and let Norton and others go. This might be attributed to changing to a 3-4 though.
Maybe it’s tough to take BPA when you’re scouts aren’t very good. Who knows what they were thinking with those picks.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
you know how we make fun of the Eagles for drafting a safety every five seconds?
They’re probably going “look at the Cowboys spending another second rounder on a linebacker, and an injured one to boot!”
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Murray is being way underrated here
That guy terrorized the Big 12 for the last two years, and all his numbers came in a spread offense to boot.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:15 AM CDT reply actions
Marion Barber is a gonner
just picked up his replacement
Look, I think we got two good players.
I just don’t think we particularly needed either one them. That’s the problem I’m having.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Another great runningback...
to get tackled behind a crumbling offensive line.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
You wonder if the Cowboys history with successfully drafting defensive linemen in the later rounds
Is playing into the situation here. Although Jason Hatcher was a later third round pick, Jay Ratliff was a steal in the 7th and Stephen Bowen was a UDFA. Of course, it took a couple of seasons for them to really make an impact, but you can see where the Cowboys might have faith in their ability to snag some help in the later rounds. You also have to remember Sean Lissemore and Josh Brent were drafted last season, and at least showed some potential.
I think the point is that we need to wait to see what happens with the rest of the draft to really make a true “instant” judgement.
I do get the frustration, as I’m not so certain that Demarco Murray was a player we needed to get. But Carter could be a hell of a steal if he’s healthy (that’s a big if) and Murray provides not only some punch on 3rd down, but he’s much more dynamic and explosive that Barber or Choice. He’s one hell of a playmaking running back.
You also have to think the Cowboys have hope for Robert Brewster and Sam Young, especially since Brewster showed some actual promise in limited snaps at OG last year (if I’m remembering correctly, he may not have played OG at all).
Also, for those complaining about drafting Carter (“another” ILB), let’s not forget the absolute FAIL that was Jason Williams. Before drafting Carter, the Cowboys really only had Sean Lee behind Brooking and Bradie James, and there is a definite need — sometime soon — to build depth at that position. We also have to remember the system that Rob Ryan is putting in place and players like Lee and Carter are much more valuable than someone like an aging James and Brooking.
In summary — I’m not exactly thrilled about the Murray pick, but I’d be willing to play “wait and see” to really make a good judgement on this draft.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:19 AM CDT reply actions
yeah you're right. Maybe I'm overreacting
by somebodyquiet on Apr 30, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
The only thing that I'm frustrated with
Is that once again, the Cowboys took a gamble with a ILB with potential, but isn’t a sure thing at this very moment. Carter has the potential to be a hell of a player, but there’s uncertainty with that knee and right now uncertainty isn’t what I’d like.
But, like with any draft, I caution about judging too quickly.
Except 2009. We all knew that draft sucked, right away.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
We took a chance
with Sean Lee last year and so far I would say its payed off
I would say
He was relatively healthy. I think now with Woicik he will be fine.
At the beginning it look like he was going to be injury prone
but if he can stay healthy then Lee will be starter real soon
Well even that draft garnered support from the usual crowd of sunshine pumpers
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
+1 Well Said
The ILB position depth poor. Carter had decent coverage skills and a nice first step. He should be able to contribute something early. With the rest of the crew we have, he shouldn’t have to do too much right away, but he should definitely contribute.
As for Murray, like the kid, but not sold on the pick. Would have looked to grab him in the 4th. BUT he is shifty and can play in the backfield or the slot. He doesn’t have his Freshamn OU quickness, but runs nice routes, has great hands, has gotten stronger/leaner and can make a cut and go pretty well. He should be able to cause some nice mismatches with opposing LBs. His power running has gotten better as well.
I still hope Choice gets a shot to show what he can do, despite the Drafting of DeMarco.
The problem with Choice
Is his inability to block.I like his talent but he has had a hard time grasping his blocking assignments.This is the problem I believe Garret has with him.
Also, Kendrick Ellis has other issues
I don’t think the DE position was as deep as we wanted it to be when the pick rolled around. A lot of good talent went off the board at the end of the 1st. I bet the Patriots regret trading out of the round – they saw 3 DL go off the board at the end of the 1st.
My issue is
that Dallas seems to draft “bling” players (apologies to 5Blings) rather than foundational players. So they try to scrape the bottom of the draft barrel for OL and DL and spend their early picks on guys who might make Sports Center highlights. It’s great for marketing, lousy for consistent winning….
Don't believe everything you think.
Yep...
no workman-like, lunchpail guy picks in a Dallas draft, no sir.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
"Blue Collar" guys would be nice
I could handle a little less flash and more grit.
I guess after spending hours and hours watching Youtube clips and reading "analysts"
you get a little frustrated with perceived needs vs actual picks. But the bottom line is we have no results yet.
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
Everybody (myself included) thinks they're the smartest guy in the room after four months of leadup.
Truth is, we don’t know everything, and if JG was really that excited about drafting Murray, he clearly has something churning inside that gingery head of his.
by TheBlueBaron on Apr 30, 2011 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I think so too...
Who here didn’t hate the fact that Barber’s production was dismal for a starting RB? Who here wasn’t offended when Barber flouted the dress code JG imposed? Well, JG just called his bluff…
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
i hope his Knee & style of running holds up in the NFL.
he runs straight up & thats bad news when you meet a real LB that will lay the wood
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
His knee held up last year
It doesn’t hurt that he broke the All Time TD record at OU just this last year.
Overreaction
I’m fine with not addressing DL. If theres one position we can give credit to the scouting staff its finding hidden gems on the defensive line.
You guys act like we disregarded the OL altogether. We spent the our first of three picks on offensive line and at least another one will be taken.
Murray is a bit of a head scratcher but there was little value at CB at our pick.
Thats the pick I don't understand
At least Bruce Carter was at a position of need (kinda). But why draft a RB? This question is directed at anyone because I really want to understand the reasoning behind this.
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Barber is as good as gone
And JG doesn’t really like TC.
If you know you are going to cut Barber...
and you don’t trust TC to block on 3rd down and who knows what else, you draft … (drum roll, please)…
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
because Barber was considered gone a long time ago.
Our coaching staff has zero confindence is Choice, and to be honest, he really hasn’t done much. I think that is why it was considered a big position of need. And the fact the Jones hasn’t exactly been an ironman RB.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Choice has played well when called upon
He isn’t the most stunning athlete, but he runs well.
yeah, he's alright
but our coaches don’t like him. I think because he can’t pass protect.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
If we don't plan to use him
We better trade him. He is worth something to someone and his contract is cheap, unlike Barber, unfortunately.
no one would offer a pick for Choice.
you can find guys like that after the draft
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
At one point, he was a hot commodity!
Ugh!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yes you can
Someone will give something for him. I am not saying a 1st, 2nd or 3rd, but he has enough film to show he is capable of running well for a team that needs some help or depth at the RB position.
he lost that last year
when he bombed early in the season in his limited opportunities. The awful fumble against washington and a few poor pass blocking plays put him in Garrett’s dog house. TO me, Garrett clearly doesn’t think he is a reliable player
If you listen to Jerrry
we wanted a ST player. If you look at what Garret says and his history, there is more to the story – I think Garrett wants this guy to be a major impact player this year or next. I think Barber and Choice may be off the team
Our 4th round history
2010: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah – project
2009: Victor Butler (good), Brandon Williams (bad), Stephen McGee (project)
2008: Tashard Choice – good pick
2007: Doug Free (great), Isiah Stanback (bad)
Some good, some bad. Hopefully it’ll be good this year
by somebodyquiet on Apr 30, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Who would you consider good
for us in the 4th round tomorrow?
Demarco Murray had a lot of production at OU
2007 127 carries, 764 yards, 6.0 average
2008 179 carries, 1002 yards, 5.6 average
2009 171 carries, 705 yards, 4.1 average
2010 282 carries, 1214 yards, 4.3 average
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:35 AM CDT reply actions
I think that was a huge factor in us drafting him
Coach Peete kept talking about how they wanted to make use of his pass catching abilities on the radio
by somebodyquiet on Apr 30, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
What about total yardage?
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
2007 127 carries, 764 yards, 6.0 average 13 td 14 receptions 60 yards 4.3 average 0 tds
2008 179 carries, 1002 yards, 5.6 average 14 td 31 receptions 395 yards 12.7 average 4 tds
2009 171 carries, 705 yards, 4.1 average 8 td 41 receptions 522 yards 12.7 average 4 tds
2010 282 carries, 1214 yards, 4.3 average 15 td 71 receptions 594 yards 8.4 average 5 tds
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
so 820, 1400, 1200, 1700 yards total on offense
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Injuries played a role early in his career
However, before his Senior season, he went home to Las Vegas and did MMA training.
He increased his strength and improved conditioning.
Murray can run, catch and has a nice top gear.
And the OU line was below average
Ask Sam Bradford about 2009.
I like the kid, not sure he would have made it until Round 4. Anything to get Barber out of here is a positive. That money can be used elsewhere.
by Bayou Cowboy on Apr 30, 2011 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions
He is legit.
He isn’t the flashy Reggie Bush RB like he was his Freshamn year at OU, but he is tougher, smarter and a qulaity foorball player.
Not stoked about the RB pick in the 3rd, but we got a nice, versatile player that should contribute to the offense this year.
wow. there's a lot of thread on those tires.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
yo im gonna laugh so hard
when Demarco is beasting out there
that kid has swag
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
I hope you are right
I really really really hope you are right
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 30, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Dallas Just Drafted that
“Speedy Slot Guy” you wanted Chia…he just happens to play RB instead of WR
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Just put a post up about him MD....
He was slotted to go 2-3 by Pro Scouts…..
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't have a problem with Murray going where he did.
I have a problem with Dallas being the one who picked him where he went.
Yep NFL draftscout had Murray as the 46th overall prospect.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Not according to Gosselin...he was picked around where he was slotted...
I’m not sure who’s slotting you’re using
read my reply just above yours to ironman.
Murray was a good pick there, for some team that is NOT Dallas. There were many better options for Dallas there.
SO you want a round 2-3 player in the 4th to 5th round...?
How many teams consistently do this? It happens, but not on every pick. I’m happy with the value we got so far…If these draft picks perform to their spots…this will be a successful draft.
No, I wanted Dallas to pick someone they need more than Murray.
The list of available players that would do so is rather long.
As for slot WR/trick RB I would have invested no more than a 5th round pick in one. Murray was FINE in the 3rd round, I just don’t think he was a good pick for Dallas in particular.
What if Murray is the player that had the most impact for us at that spot?
You may be right and we should have picked a Guard…in fact, that was what I was hoping for…but can’t you get past the fact that RB wasn’t the pick you were looking for and try to look into why the Cowboys made the pick? Garrett’s future is tied to these picks, and I can say with certainty he knows our O Line needs help from the state it was in from last year, so spending a 3rd round pick on this particular RB may have underlying reasons that you may be unaware of?
It’s kinda arrogant to think you or I know more about the players available than they do…because they have substantially more resources. You may not like the overall talent on our roster, but I think it’s actually one of the best in the league. Not perfect, has some holes, but is better than most. Besides, the draft isn’t over, maybe they took the pick to trump NE?
I know WHY we made that pick, but I don't agree with it.
I see too many glaring needs going begging because we got a RB unnecessarily high.
As for NE, you can’t base picks on what another team would pick, unless they have the exact same needs as yours, which is highly unlikely. And then it’s only because your own needs dictate that choice.
IMO, Dallas spends too much time going BPA in the draft rather than BPA that fits the biggest needs.
As someone else put it, it’s like going to a car lot needing a van for a house full of kids, and buying a convertible because it was a really good deal. Yeah you got a good deal, but it’s only good for you if it filled a need. RB, if it was a real need at all (I’m not convinced it was), could have been had in the later rounds.
wouldn't it make more sense to fix the problem at OL then hiding it with a blocking RB
i rather see the OL hold up so these RBs & TEs can actually do something other then blocking
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I know bro
I love this kid man, just watched him in action, he got swag for days
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
swag bro DeMarco got crazy swag, Dez Bryant swag
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I like in Oklahoma
My wife is Sooner Born and Sooner Bred
The guy has skills. I think JG will have some fun with Murray, Felix, Choice, Witten, Austin and Dez . . . . . . oh yeah, maybe Roy and Marty B. can do something . . . . . sh*t, what are they good at? Oh yeah, run blocking.
So is Murray gonna run out and buy 600k worth of crap?
Swag is not something I give a damn about. I want smart players that want to be the best. You can have the guys with Swag.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Swag
aka Swagger
He is talented, but a pretty humble guy. Yes he has a swagm because he has confidence.
It is funny how you associate “swag” with something a pirate might covet. Everyone seems to like the swagger RR should bring to the Defense, I suppose that is okay?
+1
i’d love to see him make an impact & not only could Baber/Choice be in trouble but Felix hasn’t been the threat they sold him to be.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
He may very well.
but we have no one behind 32+ year olds at LG, OC, and RG. It won’t be very long that he’s beasting, if at all. And Tony will be on IR again soon.
Sam Young, Robert Brewster, Phil Costa
and rounds 4-7 to add more depth.
Whenever I heard Dallas wanted to take a RB in this draft, I was hoping for either Ingram (if he fell to the second) or DeMarco Murray. Emotions from yesterday made me question the move as I saw other players on the board I liked, but a nights rest has me excited to have another playmaker on offense.
As of right now our starting Oline is Free, Kosier (pending a re-sign), Gurode, Davis and Smith. Young is a swing tackle and Brewster may be able to push either Kosier or Davis for the starting spot. Cost showed some promise at center and can also play Guard in a pinch.
There are still some good players available – hopefully we get DeMarcus Love today and move him to guard.
Today is the day to address Oline depth needs, Dline depth etc.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Thanks for the optimism TK
hope it all works out that way on thefield. I guess I’m just tired of seeing all the offensive firepower fizzle out because of the line…
Don't believe everything you think.
that is pretty bullish on Brewster
when he was cut last year nobody signed him. Doug Barron may be a better football player than Brewster.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 30, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe so
but De. Love, Cannon and Boling are still available in the 4th to push Brewster off the roster if need be.
I do worry about the depth at OLine, but not as much as last year.
And having Murray on the field with Jones, Witten, Dez & Miles is enough to give any D Coordinator nightmares.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
How is Parnell progressing? Anyone heard?
He is the OL guy with nice potential we stole from the Saints.
Day 3
Since I believe in AOA being groomed at FS by Huff (i really think we’ll sign him) i’d like to see McDaniel drafted and groomed behind Sensi
Would rather have Brodney Pool
than Sensi. I don’t have much faith in a guy who can’t handle defensive alignments. Would rather have a comparably talneted guy like Pool who already knows the system.
+1
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
we don't need to groom AOA
he may be ready this year
by AustonianAggie on Apr 30, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
McDaniel would be sick on this team
by howboutdemcowboyz on Apr 30, 2011 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions
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Outside of LT which is the money position a lot of teams start 3 or 4 guys that were undrafted or drafted in later rounds.
With Garrett I think were focusing on high character guys willing to put in the work to be great.
Would be shocked if we drafted a guy like Christian Ballard tomorrow even though he has the talent.
heads get so emotional
2009 we drafted straight scrubs
this year we got actual talent
I would have drafted differently but im feeling our class
Carter was a first round talent, DeMarco was a beast at OU
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 AM CDT reply actions
I know you do buddy
I know most people on here do/will.
I know if looks bleak now, but remember guys, JG and Co. want to win as bad as any of us…. their jobs literally depend on it. I agree with most of you we could have gone in different directions, but I have confidence in the fact we have a talented squad and a handful of Stars on both sides of the ball. Some of the guys that were all potential and underperformers finally have a coaching staff that has half a brain and demands greatness. I think a lot of the guys we already have on the roster will surprise many of you with the upgrades of the HC, DC, Strength Coach, WR Coach. etc.
We are building for the future, like we should. Hopefully tomorrow goes well.
Trust is earned not given.
JG has to prove he is worthy of trust.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Alright, then I am willing to give him a chance.
Is that better?
For years we never had a real HC, then we got Parcells, he got us back on track. I am hoping that JG will finish off what Parcell’s started and we can really be a dominant force for years to come.
but why can't we draft players who can start now?
I hate getting players who are injured n might not even make it to training camp . when other teams make their 2nd and even 3rd rounders automatic starters .. man !
D-Ware= sack master
rated as the # 1 pass rusher in the NFL
by salas88 on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Give me..
4th round: Gates
5th: Owen or Hypnoski
6th: a DL prospect
7thA: Cannon
7thB: either Alex Henery from Nebraska or Kai Forbath from UCLA as a kicker
and…
..I’d be extremely happy with this draft
FEAR the STAR.
I can dig it
Funny how everyone was touting Cannon as a High 2nd Round pick……
He was a high 2nd round pick
But he got diagnosed with cancer
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info, I hadn't heard that
(I don’t know where I my head has been)
I'm wanting to say it was testicular?
..but I did hear that it has a 90% success rate in recovery.
FEAR the STAR.
That's right, it's a non- Hodgkins lymphoma and is curable.
The one problem is the cure. Could really sap his strenth and ability to play.
Quinten Mikell - Brodney Pool for the S position in FA
last comment of the evening. After 10 articles in 2 days I can’t even type straight. See y’all on Day 3!
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Thanks for the all the great coverage man
It’s been quickly posted and precise! Go enjoy some Jack now, lol
FEAR the STAR.
by .FRoST.USAF on Apr 30, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
thanx KD we appreciate the hard work but
OCC is getting me worried :(
D-Ware= sack master
rated as the # 1 pass rusher in the NFL
by salas88 on Apr 30, 2011 12:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
lol- I just got 6 hours and feel like it was a vacation
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waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa cry babies
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:53 AM CDT reply actions
What should we do to them...
when Carter and DeMarco become starters?
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I didnt like the Carter pick at first
but everyone raves about the guy first round talent
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Mike Mayock said
If he wasn’t hurt he would have been top 15. Obviously he’s a pretty good player.
yeah
he has some real talent for sure
and he is fast man
I think this is gonna be the iLB we finally hit on, and Lee of course
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Lee and Carter
Can be a nice duo for a long time.
what do we do in the 4th?
I like Gates but would rather go defense and take Shorts in the 5th
tough
I would go DE or CB but man Gates or Shorts are really intruiging
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I like
Lawrence Guy, Brandon Burton or Clint Boling in the 4th. And Cecil Shorts in the 5th
yeah
Burton would be a f’n steal right about now
Carmichael too
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Powe
safeties na not really
none of them are special to me really
Mana Silva maybe
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I hope we go with Michael Huff and AOA as our safeties.
@ free safeties???
dont understan y people are so down on Sensi…imo he didnt play that bad what he had like 5 picks last year….
makes sense
this safety class is weak
Akwasi would have been a 3rd round pick, maybe higher
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He's easily
The best kicker to come out in a long time
Nickel lb
by week 8..mark my words …we just picked up our ilb for the future
We gave up a lot of TD's from our base 3-4...
Replay the Chicago game if you want to relive the experience. We needed a LB that could cover, with makeup speed if he got caught in traffic… The need was as plain as day…
by LDVFootball on Apr 30, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
just saying as a player regardless of position
he is the best player on the board without a doubt
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
yeah
if we take him our offense is f’n sooo fast dude
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Curtis Brown
please please please don’t draft a WR
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
wth I didn't see him go
to what team?
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
if we get Edmund Gates this offense is stacked man
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 12:56 AM CDT reply actions
I hope someone snaps him up immdediately.
I’m not sure I’ll be able to take it if we draft a WR.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
If your football love comes from madden gaming, you'll always love skill players
…and undervalue the trenches.
Jerry does it every year.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Jerry of all people should know better.
He was an offensive lineman in college for god’s sake!
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I've never heard so much complaining.
Especially from everyone who got exactly who they wanted at #9. Be glad I wasn’t drafting. We would currently have Fairley and Ingram. And probably no 3rd or 4th.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 1:05 AM CDT reply actions
hahahaha
I feel ya bro
the crying is really annoying
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (baby crying noise)
I mean jesus relax
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
dude
while i do respect the amount of work you do putting up very knowledgeable fan posts, you are starting to grade on my last nerve with all the crying crap, just because some folks voice their opinion about concerns with the draft, you really shouldnt be calling folks babies. At this point, it is all just opinions, none of them have been on the field, they could all be HOFers or Busts, so why name call over it……I guess i just expected a little better from you
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
by BigBad Joe on Apr 30, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree, for the most part, with both of you guys
But it is frustrating when so many people gets so irritated over the Draft and try and grade it already. I think Chia, among others, are just sick of the complaining. We should know in 2-4 years as to whether this class was a good one or not.
Any immediate reactions, good or bad, aren’t reliable or valid. Time will tell . . . . .
Fairley would have been fine
Ingram I would have panned more than the Murray pick. We would still need at least an RT in rounds 2 or 3.
goodnight fellas
relax already if your hating our picks
but im gonna have sweat dreams with Tyronasaurus opening up holes for DeMarco
by Archie Barberio on Apr 30, 2011 1:09 AM CDT reply actions
If we can get Edmund Gates and Tim Barnes tomorrow I'd be really happy
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
What school's he from?
And what would you have ranked him out of all centers?
Mizzou
mid to late round. He needs to add strength and bulk, but he is smart and athletic
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
What round would we take him in?
5th or 6th?
you got it about right
either 5th or 6th. I might take him in the 5th to be safe. 6th is cutting it close
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
If we take Gates in the 4th
Can he be a good slot receiver or is he someone that needs to play on the outside?
Sounds like
A good 4th round pick to me. I just watched some vids and looks extremely fast.
I don't see Jones in Murray.
To me, Murray looks like a bigger Reggie Bush, who is not as fast but runs between the tackles better. I think he will be extremely productive for us, kinda like Reggie is/was for the Saints. KO returns, slot receiver, RB, good blocker.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Murray is Faster than Felix
Muray ran a 4.39 40 where as Felix “only” managed a 4.44
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
or in other words...
a matchup nightmare for DC’s.
by honkytonkbaseball on Apr 30, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
not if we cant block up the middle
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
Carter looks good covering RBs in man coverage
that’d be an improvement over seeing Keith Brooking chasing a RB from behind all the time.
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Apr 30, 2011 1:14 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah
I think we got the best ILB in the draft IMO.
Hell, put him at Safety
(Not really, but he looks similar to Darren Woodson in college, however I was a wee lad then)
Carter began his UNC career as a Safety
He even played QB in high school.
by Bayou Cowboy on Apr 30, 2011 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, read that, ran for over 1,000 yards and 15 TDs and played safety
Can you say Deion Sanders? Don’t be surprised if he’s in for 4th-and-1 at FB…
Nick Eatman is impressive
he got all three of our picks and the corresponding round correct in his mock draft:
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=9CF030B3-C240-3C6D-3B5509ACEDD0799C
I hope he is right about Edmund gates in the 4th
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I wouldn't mind
Black in the 5th either. He may be small but he can hit.
They compare Ahmad Black to Bob Sanders
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
That's a pretty good comparison.
I wouldn’t mind having a healthy Bob Sanders on our team right now.
Look at it this way…
So far, all three of the players drafted were very good at their positions in college. It’s not as if the ’Boys drafted unheard of players. these guys all played WELL for major programs and were considered STUDS among their peers.
All this whining from armchair G.M’s strikes me as funny. I’d love to know how many of the resident “pundits” have ever made a nickle assembling professional football squads. Got a lot of retired scouts in the room do we?
Jason knows what it is he’s trying to build. Now would all of you expert chefs leave the kitchen until he has the chance to finish preparing your meal?
my 4- 7 mock...
4th-Deunta Williams
5th-Henry Hynoski
6th- Lawerence Guy
7th- Jake Kirkpatrick
7th- Marcus Cannon
what do you guys think?
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 1:21 AM CDT reply actions
I like it
I think Cannon might be gone by the 6th round though. Love Williams, he would have gone in round 2, were it not for that injury.
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yeah I wanted to take take him 6th ...
but then realized I didn’t take a DL…..
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather Boling or Pinkston or another guard in the 4th.
Otherwise I love it, although I think Lawrence Guy will be long gone in the 6th.
by TheBlueBaron on Apr 30, 2011 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions
that looks good!!
If we cant get D. Williams, Q. Carter would be good. Hope we could get Carmichael too. I wish Cannon would fall to 7. We’ll see…
by dcsince77 on Apr 30, 2011 1:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd be fine with that.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Please drop one of those guys for Willie Smith.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/willie-smith-69/
Read the review. Not a good investment?
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 30, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Not over any of the guys mentioned above.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
You don’t think Willie Smith is a better prospect that Lawrence Guy?
Do you think Lawrence Guy is a better developmental prospect than Clifton Geathers? Who the Cowboys already have. Only one of those guys makes the team. If Guy isn’t better than the pick " for need" has been wasted.
Different position than Guy but Smith is the better player.
The draft is the time to get good players. Fill needs with trades and free agents.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/lawrence-guy-50/
Read the review.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/willie-smith-69/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/49539.html
Drafting for need doesn’t work.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 30, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
There are a lot of good players left
This draft is looking deeper by the round
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I wouldn't say there is a lot
but there is some. I’ve seen deeper drafts
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
If we can get
Williams and Cannon in the fourth and fifth rounds, respectively,. that would be two 2nd round talents that we get on the 3rd day. There are certainly injury/health concerns, especially with Cannon, but it’s worth a roll of the dice for that kind of talent.
I’m still not crazy about what happened in the 2nd and 3rd, but I’m very optimistic going forward.
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I like Cannon 4-5th round
Stash him on IR or a year, let him take care of the cancer, by then we will need to replace Bigg, plus the 2012 is supposed to be O-Line heavy……
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 30, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
the draft so far is admittedly a little frustrating
but in all honesty, if they had taken Moffitt instead of Murray in round three I’d probably be totally pumped, and that just shows why any analysis right now is mostly irrational.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
We took 3 solid character guys...
Like the NFL Network guys have said… we’re not in the interviews with these prospects and some of the decision changes there. You could tell with all of them they knew that they had a good chance to land with the Cowboys. Here’s how I see it.
Smith – top talent overall and can really change the way we need to run the ball.
Carter – speed ILB – will be able to cover slot receivers better than Brooking and gives us tremendous depth this year. Also, we have an ex-Tarheel coach so we have a better understanding of the talent coming out of there. Too bad we couldn’t get Quinn as well, but OT was a bigger need.
Murray – replaces the need for a FB and gives more options of using a 2-back set, another speed runner like Felix but this one can block and is a better receiver.
Let’s wait until we see the playbook and blitz packages before we make decisions… leave that to the experts. They said they would take the best player available. Maybe DE is not a need to Rob Ryan, maybe he thinks Olshansky and Bowen can create havoc with a little coaching and since the Safeties are weak we can wait until the middle rounds and go get a FA as well.
I just get the feeling these guys DO know what they are doing.
Yeah, I also like the picks and choose to place my trust in Garrett and Ryan.
After all, they are the coaches who are picking the best personnel to suit their schemes. If those are the guys they wanted, I’m happy they’re now Cowboys.
by 7footer on Apr 30, 2011 2:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
In the 3rd..
We shoulda got a Guard. Murray coulda waited to the 5th at the earliest. Dont know about Carter, woulda preferred Foster, M.Wilson, maybe Sturdivant over him. Think about this…his initials are BC and he wears #54….. That scared the hell outta me when I thought about it….. Yikes!!!
by dcsince77 on Apr 30, 2011 1:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'll worry when Carter grows flowing blond hair
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
the 5th????
Murray was at the latest a late 3rd rounder
by howboutdemcowboyz on Apr 30, 2011 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions
You are correct sir.
NFL Draft Scout, projected him to go in either the 2nd or 3rd Rd today.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=RB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Can't believe
How much Bowers slid…
If something in sports is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, you've lived a pretty good life.
I can, bad knee, still hasn't had surgery. Might only be able to play 6 years at most.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Prediction
We still have picks left in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th Rds. We addressed need at ILB, OT, and drafted a RB to replace Barber and Choice. Now we need to address: Guard/Center, DL, WR, and DB (either corner or safety). The following guys are players I think we will be targeting with our picks and as undrafted free agents. Since I wasn’t a fan of the crop of D Linemen this year, I don’t feel competent enough to suggest someone. But as far as Oline, DB, and WR go, I feel confident about suggesting these guys. In no particular order, here they are:
Guard/Center Now before you point out that I have just offered up 2 Tackles, realize that sometimes a lineman is better suited to play inside than on the edges. That doesn’t mean he can’t play. The guys I selected are hard workers, who play with a mean streak and were leaders of their team.
1) Demarcus Love (Tackle, Arkanasas).
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27205
2) Marcus Cannon (Tackle, TCU).
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27381
3) Brandon Fusco (Center, Slippery Rock)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27131
4) Kris O’Dowd (Center, USC)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27239
Defensive Back The guys I include here are good athletes, hard workers, well respected by their teammates. They play with a chip on their shoulders, are not afraid to tackle, can track the ball, have good instincts and cover skills.
1) Joshua Thomas (CB, Buffalo)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26286
2) Brandon Burton (CB, Utah)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27305
3) Jalil Brown (CB, Colorado): Note I think a switch to safety might be better for him, really good ball skills and plays with a physical mentality.
4) Justin Rogers (CB, Richmond):
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26336
5) Ahmad Black (S/CB, Florida): I’ve heard comparisons to Bob Sanders. Can come off the edge on a blitz, really good tackler, delivers violent hits, takes good angles.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27262
6) Robert Sands (S, West Virginia): Elite Play making ability, and has very good football intelligence and field awareness.
7) Mark LeGree (S, Appalachian St): I have a feeling, that this guy might be either a pick in rounds 6 or 7, or could be an undrafted free agent. Like his profile. Really smart player, QBs the secondary, can cover, goes up on jump balls. Really good instincts. Read on.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27269
Wide Receiver Requirements here: Separation skills, good use of hands, big play ability, and a willingness to go over the middle, willing to run block.
1) Edmond Gates (Abilene Christian)
2) Jeffrey Maehl (Oregon): Oregon used him like the Patriots use Wes Welker. I absolutely love this kid in space and working against zone coverage. Saw a lot of Oregon games last few years. Dude always seems to make the big play when they needed him to move the chains or score a late td. Scored 24 Tds in 4 years.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26467
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Pinkston is still on the board also, #2 rated OG by NFP.
FYI Hariston is a OL KD, you have him in your top 10 as a TE.
Plan
Theres a plan in effect within the cowboys front office, and we have no ideal what it is, and thats why everyone is whining bout our picks. I put my trust in Garrett, period!!
As for anyone who compares Carter to Carpentar, do urself a favor, jump into oncoming traffic wearing a solphins jersey. Watch the tape stupids, the kid is a beast,
And murray, has great hands, can play in the slot as well, ans can block like a bennett. Think about it…
First think, then think again, then take a nap, and when ur rested think again about these explosive players, and how we needed this on this team.
by gogokroz on Apr 30, 2011 6:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
what is a solphins jersey?
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Lots of draft left
Why again do we want a DT.if I remember correctly,we are really high on Josh brent.Guard I agree with but do we not have players on our roster that can fill this.Do we know that a Boling will be better than Costa.If we can get out now with some depth,Cannon I really like.I would like to see Ahmad Black or Deunta Williams.Very little risk here at this point.In the 4th right now,I would take a look at Sturdivant.I think we are still very low in depth at this position.Cannon in the 5th,I know he is sick,but very little risk here and Deunta in the 6th.Or swith it around.Ahmad Black in the 5th and hoope Cannon is still there.He will not be.
I'm actually ok with the picks... in the 4th/5th rounds
My problem with drafting these guys was the value. Yes… I wanted Wisniewski. But we could have traded down like the Redskins, picked up a bunch of 4th round picks and still gotten both of these guys much later in the draft.
Linebacker with Top notch Athleticism, Coverage Skills, and ST demon, but warts like poor hitter, poor instincts, etc… You can find that in the 5th round. Trade Down.
Running Back with speed from a big program but cannot be a fulltime back – 4th – 5th round in this league since runners are a dime a dozen nowadays.
Running Back
Thats dallas’s system now though.There is no full time runiing backs.They saw an area that needed upgrading and took it.They are really the only ones who know what the plan going forward is but with this selection,I see a guy who can fill both Choice and Barber.I think Barber gone this year,and only 1 more for Choice.This draft is good so far,not only need but thinking about the future as well.
i like the picks
however,
everything we are saying about Bruce carter didn’t we say the same things about jason and brandon williams?
and Sean Lee
you can’t win if you don’t play. Draft is a gamble.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
jason Williams?
i do not think anyone was saying that either was a top 15 talent.jason Williams was a Wade reach.I think dallas is starting to look at football iq a little more than just athleticsm.
Jason Williams is a good athlete just not that smart.Just never got it.
Not better than Clifton Geathers
Don’t reach for a DE . The defensive ends that are left probably are not better than Clifton Geathers IMHO.
are any of the def ends
left better than spears / bowen?
by oneforthethumb on Apr 30, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Ballard tested positive for pot.Other than him there is not much left. I don’ t know if he was better than those guys either.
Bowers was there .Before he hurt his knee he was easily the 3rd best defensive end prospect in the last ten years after Julius Peppers and Mario Williams. He was very, very close to their level.
He could have been a pass rush specialist for the Cowboys. They could have used Igor Olshansky who is a good run stopper on first down and Bowers on passing downs.
Charles Haley had a bad back but Jimmy Johnson had him share time with Jim Jeffcoat. It worked out great.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 30, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
good points
maybe it is time the cowboys get some players with character issues
they may at least play with heart and desire.
by oneforthethumb on Apr 30, 2011 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Although I would have prefered a first round trade down
I can’t criticize any of the selections so far. Carter is a top 15 talent with probably the most athletic ability in the draft when healthy….great BPA selection.
Murray is a Reggie Bush clone, in the third round that makes sense, can never have enough good RBs
In Romo we Trust
It is funny that Reggie Bush is so much less than what people expected.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 30, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
One o-lineman to protect your boy?
I thought you would be livid.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Please get Willie Smith
I hope the Cowboys don’t forget to get Willie Smith
Read the review of this guy.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/willie-smith-69/
If you read other reviews you get much the same . Notice the lack of negative stuff and the high upside. The guy is big , well built , athletic not dumb, a good guy and he likes football.
A chance for a big return on very small investment.
Tyler Sash please Jerry
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
Greg Banks
Looks the part
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/58092.html
I was suprised by the last 2 picks, but they are growing on me.
I also was hoping for a guard, but looking at what is left, I see 3 guards ranked highly still available. 4 if you count Love, but I don’t like him. Clint Boling and Marcus Cannon would be good picks in the 4th. If we want a CB, Brandon Burton is a good pick, and at DE Christian Ballard is great value.
Posters are acting like LB isn’t a need, but consider that Brooking said this is his last year, James is over 30, in the last year of his contract, and has a lot of tread on his tires. While Lee should lock down one starting spot, he has had a history of injuries. So what would happen in 2012 if James wants a big contract and Brooking retires as planned? We have 1 ILB that is starting material. This would lead to panicking and either throwing too much money at James and/or drafing an ILB high and relying on a rookie to start. Carter can contribute some as a rookie (Nicket LB and maybe more) and learn behind Brooking, James, and Lee and be ready to be a big contributer next year.
As for the Murray pick, I was surprised at taking him that high. After reading other profiles of him, I understand the thinking. He is a good blocker and great receiver. He should be a better 3rd down back than Jones and Choice. And don’t forget that Choice is in the last year of his contract. Considering he seems to have been unhappy, I doubt he will return. If a good team has injuries at RB simliar to GB last year, it would be good for Dallas to trade him during the season if they can get a good return. In my opinion, they should have traded him to GB last year if they could have gotten a mid round pick. While I wouldn’t have made the pick, I don’t have the info that Dallas has, and I have more confidence in the picks because I think Garrett is mostly in charge as compared to 2009.
Not happy at all
If you’re going to draft for need,you do it in the 2nd and 3rd round, not with a top 10 pick. We passed on Nick Fairley to fill a need with a player who is young and not ready. Then we used a 2nd round pick on. LB with a torn ACL?!? really??? We basically traded the pick for a 2012 pick. This guy is not going to help us much this year. And what does this say about Sean Lee? We wasted a 2nd round pick either last year or now. And the icing on the cake was taking a role player with a 3rd round pick. I’m disgusted. Our secondary is still going to be awful and we havent improved our pass rush.
by bewareofdware on Apr 30, 2011 9:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You're missing the point, beware
JJ refused to ditch Davis, so all Garrett could do is draft a RB who can block. Fiendishly clever if you ask me!
Don't believe everything you think.
Theres a reason many teams passed on Fairley and Lions fans are pissed they took him...
I don’t think Dallas wanted or would even consider a guy with character concerns in the 1st this year. Not after Dez
Carter is kind of a pick for the future, yes, but Bradie James’ contract is up in a year I believe, and I’m not so sure we want to renew it. This year, Carter will share the nickel linebacker role with Brooking I’d guess. And Rob Ryan could use an athletic linebacker when it comes to blitzes.By 2012, our starting lbers may very well be Lee and Carter
Interestingly enough, this team has gone BPA in the 2nd round the last two years, and its pleased nobody.
The coaches have said time and again that they don’t think this secondary is as bad as it was last year. I’d agree as long as they replace Ball. As for the pass rush, I don’t have an answer, maybe they have more faith in Spencer then we all do? Its also beginning to look like they will need to renew the DL contracts.
Disagree
This would be exactly the time to pick carter so you are not being desperate.Let carter come in and learn the system and when we need him in 2012,he is ready full time.
Go be a skins fan
Its called drafting with the future in mind. Smith is a manchine, a beast, and we wont have to worrt about a tackle position for awhile, and he gets our offense functioning on all cyinders. As for ur role player comment, what role is not important? All roles on this team are important, hes a 4.37 rb that can catch .hes a nightmare for defensive coordinators, go fist urself ,stop whininh like a lil baby, go be a skins or texans fan!!
by gogokroz on Apr 30, 2011 9:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I should blindly agree with everythIng they do?
Think for yourself, Fisty
by bewareofdware on Apr 30, 2011 10:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Defensive Ends
If the 2010 rules stay in place, Hatcher and Bowen will still be restricted. THe only loss at DE would be spears. ALso remember that RYan uses a lot of formations with fewer D lineman and more LBs and DBs. That could play a part in their plans.
That's a sad d~line.....
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
+1
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
who wants Hatcher?
the guy bombed when he had his shot so i can’t see them resigning or tendering him without it being a problem. Spears is all but gone & Jerry tried to pass along to the Fins last year for a 5th rounder but they didn’t want him. after this knee issue i can’t see anyway they keep him.
Igor is under contract & could be around another season but we all know he’s not going to do much on passing down so at times he’s more of a problem then anything. Bowen is our best DE & should get himself a contract or tender to keep him around for a few years. he does great on passing downs & could develope more on the running game with experience. as for Lissemore i love to see him get some reps & be apart of the rotation bc this guy has a motor that you like to see from a DE. he might be on the small side but after this training camp he has a chance to step his game up. Brent still has some potential & more reps will only help him. i think his upside is limited but if they can get him to that point quick then he should be great for the rotation.
overall our DL isn’t very strong & we need 2 DEs that can step it up when Ratliff is taking on the double teams. it would’ve been nice to got Von Miller or Watt but lets hope the gem of DLs can be found late in the draft
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
i just hope our defense is better then what Wade is doing in Houston
Jerry would hit the floor with the big one if Wade took that Texans defense & made it better then the one in Dallas
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I have faith in Rob Ryan...
Plus Hou has terrible defensive personnel. We shall see.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
How bout just think
Should u blindly accept what theyre doing? What choice do u have , do u know what theyre plans are? , none of us do, so instead of whining that they didnt pick who you wanted,with ur infinite wisdom and all the clout you bring to the table as a scout, and try and figure out whattheyre doing.and do some research , im no sheep sirr, im the shepherd
by gogokroz on Apr 30, 2011 10:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
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