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A Look Back At The Cowboys' 2008 Draft

In this fanpost I will take a look back at how the 2008 draft played out for the Cowboys', and come to any conclusions I can.

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The Cowboys original draft picks were the 22nd in each round. Pre-draft trades included (note: round mentioned is highest round of any draft picks involved):

  • First Round- No. 22: Browns to Cowboys. Cleveland traded its first-round selection in 2008 and a second-round selection in 2007 (No. 36, later traded to Philadelphia, who selected Kevin Kolb) for Dallas' first-round selection in 2007 (No. 22, used to select Brady Quinn). Analysis: how unlucky were we that Derek Anderson decided not to suck for a year and the pick we received was only the 22nd, not a top-10 or something better we might've expected. Either way this trade was a romp (in our favour). They essentialy GAVE us a second round pick, idiots LOL.
  • Fourth Round- Dolphins to Cowboys.The Miami Dolphins traded their fourth-round selection in 2008 to the Dallas Cowboys for players Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano. Analysis: The first trade with Miami was horrible on our part, Fasano has been a solid starting TE for three years for the Dolphins, and Ayodele was decent for a year, then he was below average, then he was cut. That production clearly trumps a fourth round pick = FAIL.
  • Fourth Round- Cowboys to Titans. The Dallas Cowboys traded their fourth-round selection to the Tennessee Titans for suspended defensive back Pacman Jones. Analysis: The trade with the Titans was actually a VERY good one. It gave up a mid-round pick for a player with extreme upside and NO risk. This is because the deal had all sorts of clauses in it meaning if he screwed up off the field we would be largely compensated by the Titans. We got half a season of average production out of him, then he got suspended and all sorts of crap, meaning the Titans essentially ended up giving us more than we gave them, and after the season we cut him.
  • Sixth Round- Cowboys to Dolphins. Dallas and Miami exchanged their sixth-round selections in a trade with Jason Ferguson going to the Dolphins as part of the deal. Analysis: Concerning the trade with the Dolphins, although the value wasn't high, he only gave them around 450 snaps in 2008, and 200 or so in 2009, counting 4mil towards the salary cap each year. Not only was he definitely over-priced for one of the years, arguably both, he would have been a back-up on our team (Ratliff), so this was more of a give-away really.

Draft day trades were:

  • First Round- No. 25: Seahawks to Cowboys. Seattle traded its first-round selection to Dallas for Dallas' remaining first-round selection (No. 28) and its fifth- and seventh-round selections (No. 163 and 235). Analysis: meh, neither here nor there.
  • Third Round- No. 92: Cowboys to Lions. Dallas traded its third-round selection to Detroit for Detroit's fourth-round selection in 2008 (No. 111) and fourth-round selection in 2009. Analysis: I don't know how this works out according to that points system but it seems decent enough to me, especially considering Detroit were likely to be giving us a high fourth in 09'.
  • Fourth Round- Cowboys to Raiders. Dallas traded their fourth-round selection (#100 overall) to Oakland for their fourth-round selection (#104 overall) and seventh-round selection (#213 overall). Analysis: meh.
  • Fourth Round- Cowboys to Browns. Dallas traded their fourth-round selection (#104 overall) to Cleveland for their fourth-round selection (#122 overall), and fifth-round selection (#155 overall). Analysis: meh.
  • Fourth Round- Cowboys to Browns. Dallas traded their fourth-round selection (#111 overall) to Cleveland for their 2009 NFL Draft third-round selection. Analysis: WIN, this is SO short-sighted of Cleveland.
  • Fifth Round- Jaguars to Cowboys.Jacksonville traded its fifth-round selection (#143 overall) to Dallas for it's fifth-round selection (#155 overall) and seventh-round selection (#213 overall). Analysis: meh.

THE ACTUAL PICKS!!!

 

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  • Felix Jones,Running back, Arkansas, 6-0, 200 pounds, 1st round, 22nd overall.Analysis: as RB's come, this was not a great value pick, I'm no scout but even I can tell you a guy coming out of college with seasons of 99, 154, and 134 carries is no sure thing to become a feature back, and when you take a RB in the first round, that is what you expect, either that or an EXTREMELY dynamic back that can give you 10-15 touches a game. Felix was that back for his first two years (although was only on the field for 60 snaps his rookie year), but was only average in his third year, averaging 4.3 YPC, and only grading out as +0.7 rushing grade on 189 carries according to PFF. This could be due to his bulking up in order to be less injury-prone, in which case you have to give some of the blame for his less than satisfactory season in 10' to the coaching staff (or conditioning staff or whatever). Even if he had been this good, the value of taking a RB in the first round is questionable. Looking at scouting reports, durability was the obvious concern coming out of college, and this has proved to be his major falw in the pros. Overall, this wasn't a very good pick, but with still two years on his contract, it can increase it's value somewhat with two years of good production.

 

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  • Mike Jenkins, Cornerback, South Florida, 5-10, 197 pounds, 1st round, 25th overall.Analysis: his rookie year was a wash, second year excellent, and third HORRIBLE. For where he was picked, depending on how he performs in the last two years of his contract, this could end up being a good pick, as it stands, I'd say it's about average, maybe slightly worse. Scouting reports cite main flaws as poor technique and character concerns. Going by last year it seems as if his technique caused him some problems, and from there it snowballed, he may be somewhat of a "frontrunner". Just a theory.

 

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  • Martellus Bennett, Tight end, Texas A&M, 6-6, 260 pounds, 2nd round, 61st overall.Analysis: disappointing rookie year, followed up by a good year blocking, but extremely poor in the passing game. His third showed progression in the passing game, with even better blocking. Bennett only signed a four year contract, and, although BPA is often a good approach, this is one example of it failing somewhat. With one year left on his contract, it is extremely doubtful we are going to end up with a good value out of this pick. With roughly 500 snaps apiece these last two seasons, although his play has been good (IMO), he has been stuck behind an all-pro TE in Jason Witten. With as much the Cowboys have used a 2nd TE, his value hasn't been TERRIBLE, but I don't think it's been good enough either. I think we should strongly consider the possibility of trading either before the season or during the season to try and recoup some of that second round value. As for what scouting reports said of him coming out of college, he has pretty much been as advertised, a good blocker, with all the tools athletically to be a good pass-catcher, but poor route running, average speed and inconsistent focus which he has improved over his time with the Cowboys.

 

  • Tashard Choice, Running Back, Georgia Tech, 5-10, 215 pounds, 4th Round ,122 overall.Analysis: Choice has been what you would expect out of a 4th round back - solid. He has been right around 250 snaps each season he's been in Dallas, with his performance being solid each year. This pick really could have been an excellent value with him (IMO) being the second best RB on the team each year he's been on the roster, and it's only due to JJ's stupidity at signing MB III to such a ridiculous contract/insistence on trying to get "value" out of that contract by playing him even though he's DONE, that it hasn't been. He could've been splitting carries with Felix for three years, and will probably only end up doing it next year. This extremely poor player management IMO. I'm still going to say this was a good pick though, it should've been of great value to the Cowboys. Scouting reports pretty much hit the nail on the head with Choice, what else it there to say?

 

  • Orlando Scandrick, Cornerback, Boise State, 5-11, 198 pounds, 5th Round ,143 overall.Analysis: Scandrick started most of his rookie year in the nickel, and all of his 2nd and 3rd years. In his rookie year he was solid, recording a coverage grade of +1.4. Although in the last two years he has been below average. You could forgive the Cowboys for thinking he would be a viable slot CB in his second year after how he performed in his rookie year, but to go into the 2010 season with him as our slot corner, and no alternative was just plain stupid IMO. Coming out of college he was regarded as more of an athlete than a football player, and this is blatantly apparent to even me watching games. I can't count the number of times he's been thrown at, in pretty good position aswell, and just does nothing as the WR catches the ball and he then tackles him. he displays extremely poor awareness, ball skills and instincts. In saying this he did look far better in Pasqualoni's (no idea how to spell that) more zone based schemes, showing much better awareness when he's allowed to keep his eyes on the QB, and may be a good fit for a team like Indy or something. Overall, I think he may be passable in Ryan's system as a nickel guy, but was not a fit at all in Wade's man-based scheme, and was something of a round peg in a square hole, so I don't think we should give up on the guy. As for value, this was a good pick, alot of 5th round picks do NOTHING, but it was a complete non-fit scheme-wise.

 

  • Erik Walden, Linebacker, Middle Tennessee State, 6-2, 243 pounds, 6th Round, 167 Overall.Analysis: the one scouting report I could find on the guy said he had good physical tools, but was extremely raw (the guy had great stats, so I'm assuming Middle Tennessee State isn't exactly a powerhouse LOL). After we released him he's bounced around the league, most noticeably playing for the Packers, in their super bowl run, displaying good coverage ability, but not much ability rushing the passer or in run defence. I also read somewhere the Pack liked him because Kampman couldn't play coverage, so they had to blitz him more, meaning they had to drop Clay Matthews into coverage more, so they went after guys that could cover like him and Zombo, so they could rush Clay more, completely irrelevant but interesting nonetheless. Anyway it seems kind of stupid that we cut the guy over players like Carlos Rogers (played poorly on special teams in 08', then cut) and Bobby Carpenter, especially considering he was good on special teams that year, and at least has a chance to be good (unlike these two). I think this was a decent pick. 

Conclusion:

We managed our resources in this draft pretty decently via trade, and for the most part picked up solid players. This ultimately means it was a solid draft, although held back from being a great one due to us not really "nailing" any of the top picks, and the fact that it's only been three years since the draft, and some of these players still have two years left on their contracts to prove their worth. But I decided to analyse this draft anyway due to the fact that profootballfocus.com's grades only go as far back as 2008 and I consider them to be a relatively accurate way of judging player performance, you may disagree, it is what it is. At this point I give this draft a tentative B, with full awareness that it's value is highly likely to change over the next two years according to the contributions of everyone except Walden, which says something about the consistency of the draft, that everyone is still on the roster except one guy, and he probably should've been on the roster at least another year IMO.

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What grade do you give this draft at this current point and time?
A
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B
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C
30 votes
D
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F
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E (can you get an E? I'm from New Zealand so I don't know)
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Btw

Forgot to mention we cut Danny Amendola after camp and had him on the p squad all year. Just something to note.

by Ben24626 on Apr 4, 2011 7:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I actually liked this draft

I think Felix is a special big play runner who will finally get the show this year
Choice is the man, he and Felix could be a serious 1-2 combo

I liked Jenkins that draft, and he has the skills to be great, its more of a technique and attitude mental thing with him
Scandrick was a great pick, I expect big things from him going forward

Martellus Bennett was the worst pick, I dont even think he was the BPA at that time, I wanted Jamaal Charles Jermichael Finley Brandon Flowers etc

by Archie Barberio on Apr 4, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

What grade you give it then?

Btw it’s pretty easy to look back and say you wanted those guys now, with hindsight and all. Mostly agree with you but not completely sold on Scandrick, I think he could be good if we don’t force him to play too much man coverage. Possibly we should blitz him more.

by Ben24626 on Apr 4, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually Scandrick is ok in Man coverage...

the Key is not man coverage on the Slot..He needs to be able to press to be good in Man…

Von Miller+Demarcus Ware+Jay Ratliff+Rob Ryan=Nightmare for Opposing OC's

by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 5, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting theory

And I’m not a scout, but I’ve seen him alot of times in good position to make a play and just not make one.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 5, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea i think this was a good draft...

especially when u equate the success that walden had at the end of this year for greenbay,, really makes me wish we would have held onto him…with the exception of marty b every player has starting ability…not too shabby jerry no too shabby at all

by Rj MarleyJane Groves on Apr 4, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

You don't think Marty B has starting ability?

PFF grades him as one of the best blocking TE’s in the league and he’s shown progression as a pass-catcher. It’s not like a second TE is going to put up big receiving numbers. As for Walden, Victor Butler has shown more as a pass-rusher, Walden’s only really shown ability as a coverage guy, he might be a better fit as a WILL for a cover 2 team? Still, he’s probably better than Bobby Carpenter, Steve Octavien, and Leon Williams. And we kept all of those guys over him.

by Ben24626 on Apr 4, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Marty B can be a TE1 for some team

Look, Fasano is the TE1 over in Miami. He’ll find a landing spot in 2012 for a decent salary after the Cowboys go younger and cheaper with John Phillips.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 4, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This draft depends on Jenkins going forward

Felix looks to me like a good back, but it doesn’t matter with the garbage we throw out there on the oline. Same with Choice.

Bennet has been a more than servicable player, possibly the most valuable and consistent out of all the picks, but hes going to get paid in a year and I’m fairly sure it won’t be by us.

Jenkins is a conundrum. He is a top talent for sure, but he was absolutely awful this past season. I have major concerns about him. One pro bowl caliber year and one bottom 5 cb in the nfc type year make it awfully hard to judge him. Its ridiculous that we are saying this after 3 seasons, but he could really go either way.

If Jenkins picks his play up, this draft is an A or a B. If we see a continuation of last year, I give it a C.

by foyesboys on Apr 4, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Our RB’s potential is limited with the o-line we put in front of them. As for Bennett, I think we should trade him and get what value we can.

by Ben24626 on Apr 4, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillips' injury blew that all away

ACL injures can be 18-month ordeals and can change athletes. We can’t know for sure if the Phillips we’ll get in 2011 is the same guy we saw in 2012.

If Phillips continues his amazing performances and progression we saw from 09-10 I think we have our Marty B replacement in 2012.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 4, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

For Phillips

This injury may not affect him like it would for say, a Randy Moss type, as he was never a great athlete, and actually took most of his snaps at FB in 09’. But yes, it is a very legitimate concern. Although he would make a nice replacement for Bennett due to his good blocking skills and experience at FB.

by Ben24626 on Apr 5, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

good recap. Thorough.

I like Scandrick bc he’s Dallas’s only corner who likes to hit.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 4, 2011 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

LOL on Scandrick but true.

by Ben24626 on Apr 4, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also like Scandrick - a lot

The guy is a speed demon (4.32 forty), and likes to hit. As much as it hurts, look at the DeSean Jackson TD from last year, Scandrick is the guy rocketing after Jackson at the end and almost gets to him.

 

by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 5, 2011 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

No questioning the guy's speed

But his awareness and ball skills could use some use.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 5, 2011 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

And, you know

pretty much everything about playing CB as well.

The last 3 games NYG Steve Smith has played against Scandrick over have resulted in 100+ yard games each time.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 5, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand

Are you being sarcastic? Who are you saying is wrong?

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 5, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be very nice to upgrade from Scandrick

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 6, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

But I don’t think we should cut him, as we have NO depth as it is, and if we go to a more zone based scheme (I think Rob Ryan runs some zone, due to the fact that his is principle seems to be variance, and running every play known to man LOL), he may be more effective.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 6, 2011 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup OCC

i said that too look at Scandrick blazing trying to catch Jackson
dude has heart, he is tough and physical, and very fast

by Archie Barberio on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

give me CBs who can tackle

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.

by DCNation73 on Apr 6, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you get 5 solid contributors out of a draft that's an 'A'

I know TE2, CB3, and RB2 don’t count as “starters” to many people, but they pretty much are in the modern NFL teams.

I’d grade it an A-. If you could guarantee we’d hit on 5 picks every draft, we’d be in great great shape.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 4, 2011 10:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

You possibly overly like this draft due to some of JJ’s “horrible” drafts lowering your expectations. I do consider this a good draft, but for me an A is an excellent draft, and although consistent, this draft has not delivered a consistently good starter (by starter I mean position that receives significant snaps, eg in this case only Jenkins and Jones) and therefore in my mind is not an “excellent” draft. I think if Choice had’ve been used properly this draft may have been an A- for me (which it still could turn out to be), but for I now I give it a B. Thanks for contributing.

by Ben24626 on Apr 5, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

next year this team is getting 3 startes

and two upper end back ups. I gave it a B, but if Mike Jenkins had been a probowler this year instead of having a bad season, it would of been an A.

I think if we draft Tyron Smith and get good play from the Full Back, it really will be the Felix Jones show.

by AustonianAggie on Apr 6, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

imagine Jason Witter, Marty B, Smith, Free all able to run and block, Felix really knows how to hit a hole

by AustonianAggie on Apr 6, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

If Felix loses some weight, and gets back some of that speed, it will be the Felix Jones show.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 6, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i give this draft a C.

we reached for Felix in the 1st rd when CJ2K (which was Wades choice but he got over ruled by Jerry/Garrett for Felix) & Mendenhall were on the board. it also doesn’t help the Felix Jones case when quality players like Charles, Rice & even Forte was on the board in the 2nd round. plus now the whole RB in the 1st rd looks crazy unless its AP or CJ2K type of impact players. grade C
 now that we’ve seen a sample of Jenkins i’d have big concerns especially switching to a physical type of defense that Rob Ryan runs. this guy will never be a willing tackler & even if he tried my concern would be durability with him. i have no clue what the future of Jenkins will be in Dallas but if he doesn’t bounce back this season then its a wasted pick in the 1st rd. grade C
 Bennett is a complete disaster & to reach for a blocking TE in the 2nd rd is crazy. his comments made speak for themself but his poor ability pass catching when given the chance has been worse. grade D
 Choice was a great pick in the 4th rd & given more snaps i think he could be a big contributor in the running game. outside of his special teams production i have no problem with this kid & i love his energy when he’s in the game. grade B
 Scandrick is the best tackling CB on the roster & even though he’s been burnt covering some slot recievers i love his effort. he can blitz when they need it & playing in Ryans system might make this kid a home run after this season. grade B
 Walden got signed by Chiefs (iirc) while Dallas was trying to slip him on the practice squad but allowing a 6th rd pick to walk with his upside was a disaster by the coaching staff. later in the draft is when you find the role players, backups & special team players but instead we got a big fat zero for that draft pick. grade incomplete

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.

by DCNation73 on Apr 6, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

IMO

That seems a little bit pessimistic.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 6, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gave it a C as well for many of the same reasons

This is based on last years production only, if Jenkins returns to the form he had in the year prev, then I would give it a B….(and yes I know that some of his issues were related to the poor safety play)

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by BigBad Joe on Apr 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not

Saying a C’s wrong. But I don’t think you should judge a draft on one year’s play, the players we drafted didn’t sign one year deals, their contributions are over 4-5 years.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 8, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

B because it was a slim pickings draft

For rounds 3+ the Cowboys did better than anybody (even with no 3rd pick). Given that the Felix pick eliminated Rice and Charles, who else mattered after DeSean Jackson at 49? Maybe Finley.

Most people had CJ over Felix, so it’s disturbing that JJ used his influence, if true. That’s 1 grade off for that. I agree that Felix can prove JJ right by being pro bowl caliber these next 2 years AND not renegotiating for a CJ-like salary increase. I’m not betting on him.

Same story with Jenkins, but I’m not betting on him either. The pick made sense relative to our CB talent. I liked Flowers better also, but I really liked Lofton as the heir apparent to ILB. 1/2 off.

Getting 2 role players after pick 91 … +`1/2. Total B.

I think its fair to say not many teams would have helped themselves any better, except for the Felix pick. In retrospect, picking CJ then trading Jenkins and Bennett for Otah is about the best they could have done … other than Chia comments above.

by the_hat on Apr 11, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

You're right

But, th first two rounds are where you make your money. If you pick a player in the first two rounds, you expect a starter. Thus, they are far more important than rounds 5-7 put together. This is why this is not a great draft, and very well may end up being an average one. Tbh, my grade of B (or was it B-), was a relatively conservative one, and I was only that way because it’s only been three years.

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 12, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep Posting !

What is your opinion of 2007?

by the_hat on Apr 13, 2011 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Tbh I was a bit disappointed with one rec, is there really only person who read this who would recommend others to read it? I rec things all the time, I think people on BTB are either too stingy with their recs, or don’t realise they have them. Anyway, on 2007, I don’t know, I can’t even remember who we got lol. The only one that comes to mind is Spencer, and I don’t like him as a pick. Did we also get Folk that year? I might do a fanpost on that draft actually. Good to know someone appreciates my work, I thought it was pretty good!

http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/

by Ben24626 on Apr 13, 2011 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

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