ChiaCrack Big Board Update: V3.0
Back in March I did my updated Big Board V 2.0 and ended up with an editors pick from SB Nation Dallas. I was so proud of that moment, corny I know. When your recognized as a editors pick on a pretty busy website, I feel like it’s a honor. This is my updated board with the best fifty players in the draft according to me. This is truly a hard task, if you think its easy then I encourage you to sit down and rank fifty players. You end up leaving guys out you like, you also have trouble ranking questionable players. It is definitely a difficult task.
Top Ten movements? Not so much.
I really don’t have many shakeups on my big board. Patrick Peterson sits atop my big board for the third time. Peterson is the best talent in this draft. Von Miller I still have in my number two slot. Miller is easily the best pass rusher in this draft and will be a dynamite pick for a team in the top five. Tyron Smith is the best offensive lineman in the draft, that’s my guy and I have supported him for sometime now. The Fresh Prince still stands tall at number four. Prince doesn’t seem to be on the Cowboys radar, that is something to pay attention to. I didn’t move JJ Watt up but I love him where I have him ranked. I really see Watt being a great football player and a nice pick for a team, Watt is a very safe draft pick. Marcell Dareus continues to grow on me. I really wasn’t in love with this guy before but after the combine and watching some tape on him he really grew on me. Dareus is another safe draft pick, he will be a solid pro
Some pro days have taken place and that may have jumped or dropped guy on my list. My top ten now includes Gabe Carimi because I believe he might be the real deal at right tackle, possibly left tackle. I moved AJ Green into the top ten because he does have a top ten skill set at wide receiver. I dropped Brandon Harris down to thirteen because there are mixed opinions about him. Some say he is a dynamic player, others say he is too small. I really like Harris because he is physical and tackles extremely well. He is great in man to man coverage and is a lockdown caliber cornerback.
Robert Quinn: Quinn is falling down my board because of his workouts not being great and arising questions about his maturity. Da’Quan Bowers is a really intriguing prospect this draft. The guy has one huge year and the rest of his time at Clemson was decent, but the boom or bust aspect is beginning to arise around him. Bowers could actually fall to us at nine, but it would be a bittersweet pick for me. I think Bowers has amazing talent and potential, but I am wondering if he is a one year wonder. I am also not sure if he would be a good fit in our system, but good players find a way to succeed. Nick Fairley also has the same question marks, but the guy is a beast. The Cowboys might get lucky and see Fairley available with the ninth pick.
Cam Newton: A really big faller on my board is Cam Newton. I debated leaving him off my top fifty entirely but I ended up leaving him on the board. His attitude and whole approach has really swayed my opinion on him. I did believe at one point this was just a confident kid who could lead a team. After reading how so many teams were turned off by his diva type attitude, it really showed me that he might be a serious red flag this draft. Newton does have a top ten skill set, but his attitude and bag of red flags is way too much of a risk if I am looking for a quarterback. I don’t have Jake Locker rated higher than Newton yet, but that change might be coming soon. I would much rather invest a draft pick in Locker, who has great ability to develop into a solid quarterback. I think confidence is fine, good players should be confident. But when you start thinking you’re the man and are cocky, that’s a totally different look.
Mike Pouncey: Pouncey is a big winner on my board. Over the past month the more I looked at this kid at guard, he has really grown on me. People bash him because he had center issues this season at Florida. When I look at Mike Pouncey, I see a Pro Bowl caliber offensive guard. Call me crazy but I think Pouncey is one of the safest picks in the draft because he has the skills and his attitude is great. I definitely see teams pouncing on Pouncey, ha ha ha, because he offers you versatility. The Cowboys are highly interested in him and if we did trade down he would be my target.
Blaine Gabbert: Gabbert is another big winner on my board for a few reasons. This is a somewhat weak quarterback class, nobody has established themselves as the front runner yet. Teams will be turned off by Cam Newton and his whole diva thing. Gabbert has a real nice arm and can make every throw needed on the NFL level. I don’t have him in the first round but he does have first round talent if your looking for a quarterback this draft. He is also a film rat, and I love that about players. Guys who come in day one and hit the film room are valued highly on my draft board.
Safeties: There are some new additions to my board in this update. Basically every safety I had rated in the 35-50 range is now off my board due to questionable workouts. There will be good value in the third round, but I cant see any of them really worthy of a second round pick. DeAndre McDaniel and Quinton Carter do have second round talent, but right now I am questioning their speed.
Receivers: I inserted Titus Young over Torrey Smith. I actually think Torrey Smith is a really nice sleeper WR and I had a tough time on putting Leonard Hankerson over him. Smith is a bubble guy right now, so I left him out for Titus Young. Titus Young reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson. I think a team will use a second round pick on Young, just like the Eagles did in the second round of the 2008 NFL Draft.
Other newcomers: Big boy Kenrick Ellis debuts at number forty five on my board. I think Ellis is the next 3-4 defensive tackle off the board after big bad Phil Taylor. Ellis will be highly sought after once Taylor is gone and I see Ellis shooting up the board in the second round. Ryan Williams is a running back I actually was a big fan of in college. He reminds me of DeAngelo Williams, its scary how similar these guys truly are. They have the same last name obviously, but both have this burst after twenty yards or so. Ryan Williams could of easily stayed in school and become a first round pick in 2012, but he came out early. A team will get a real bargain with Ryan Williams this draft. Johnny Patrick is a cornerback that is beginning to rise up the draft boards of NFL teams for a good reason. He is a great athlete that is physical. When you’re a good press coverage cornerback that tackles well, you will fly up that board on draft day.
Linebackers: I have some risers at linebacker as well. I really see Martez Wilson as a first round talent. He is a freak physically and is a good football player. Usually you don’t see both, most of the times there will be a freak athlete (Jason Williams 2008 3rd Round) who isn’t a good football player. Wilson is going to be a great value pick for a team this draft. I also really like Mason Foster and I wanted to rank him higher than forty but for now that’s where he is on my board. Foster can play all the linebacker positions and is just a hardnosed football player. He will appeal to both 4-3 and 3-4 teams because of how he was used at Washington. Foster basically played outside, but was also shifted inside. He would be a great fit for the Cowboys.
Akeem Ayers: I moved Ayers up the board but I still don’t have him that high. Many draft sites have him as their top rated linebacker over Martez Wilson but I just don’t see that. He is a nice prospect, definitely a great athlete but he might be a hybrid tweener type of prospect. I think he is one you rookie you have to stick him to one position either inside or outside linebacker and let him learn that position. With the way the Cowboys value linebackers in the draft, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Ayers high on their draft board. I am willing to say that I think Martez Wilson will be ranked above Ayers on the Cowboys draft board because Wilson can rush the passer as a outside linebacker and has the range to play inside. Regardless Ayers will go in the first round and looks like a nice prospect, I am just not in love with him like some other draft gurus.
Justin Houston: I still have Justin Houston in my top fifteen because out of all these guys he is the best pass rusher. When 3-4 teams look for outside linebackers, they usually have to draft defensive ends and transition them to outside linebacker. That isn’t the case with Justin Houston. Former Cowboys defensive line coach Todd Grantham took over the Georgia defense this year and installed a 3-4 defense. Houston excelled as a outside linebacker in that scheme. I have Houston ranked very high, when he could actually fall to the second round. If the Cowboys could get this kid I would be ecstatic. I think he is a better prospect than Anthony Spencer was coming out of school. Houston has the speed and pass rushing skills to become a dominant pass rusher. He is one of my under the radar guys. Whoever ends up with this guy will get a real draft steal
Cameron Heyward: Heyward is a difficult player to rank. I actually like Heyward better than Adrian Clayborn and I was in love with Clayborn last year. I think Heyward would be a better fit for our 3-4 than Clayborn would. Clayborn is a touted prospect on many draft boards but I am just not seeing it this year. Clayborn is ultimately ranked too low on my board, but I just don’t have that warm and tingly feeling I had last year about him. I actually am beginning to think fellow Hawkeye Christian Ballard might become the better pro. I really like Ballard and I wanted to rank him in my top fifty, but I just didn’t have room. If you actually sit down to rank fifty players, you will know what I mean.
Danny Watkins: The last guy I want to mention is BTB favorite Danny Watkins. I moved Watkins up a bit because I see so many teams interested in the guy. He is a littler older than most rookies but he has versatility and talent. He played left tackle this year for Baylor, which is amazing to me because I never saw him as a left tackle. He can play guard, center and right tackle. If you can add a versatile guy like that to your roster, it allows you a lot of flexibility on your fifty three man roster. I see Watkins being a solid contributor right away. He may not be the sexiest pick, but he is definitely a solid pick in the late first to early second round.
That’s my big board as of right now. I will update it one more time before the draft so you can get a feel for who we might be looking at with our second round pick, or if we trade down you could look at three of these guys possibly being Cowboys. Thanks to OCC for hooking this up, much appreciated my dude thanks. THIS LOOKS AMAZING OCC!!! THANKS MY DUDE!!!!
| Current Rank |
Previous Rank |
Player | Position | College | Change |
| 1 | 1 | Patrick Peterson | CB | LSU | ![]() |
| 2 | 2 | Von Miller | OLB | Texas A&M | ![]() |
| 3 | 3 | Tyron Smith | OT | USC | ![]() |
| 4 | 4 | Prince Amukamara | CB | Nebraska | ![]() |
| 5 | 5 | Marcell Dareus | DT | Alabama | ![]() |
| 6 | 6 | JJ Watt | DE | Wisconsin | ![]() |
| 7 | 8 | Nick Fairley | DT | Auburn | ![]() |
| 8 | 9 | Julio Jones | WR | Alabama | ![]() |
| 9 | 11 | Gabe Carimi | OT | Wisconsin | ![]() |
| 10 | 12 | AJ Green | WR | Georgia | ![]() |
| 11 | 10 | Justin Houston | OLB | Georgia | ![]() |
| 12 | 13 | Cameron Jordan | DE | Cal | ![]() |
| 13 | 7 | Brandon Harris | CB | Miami | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 14 | 15 | Da'Quan Bowers | DE | Clemson | ![]() |
| 15 | 24 | Mike Pouncey | G | Florida | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 16 | 16 | Mark Ingram | RB | Alabama | ![]() |
| 17 | 14 | Robert Quinn | DE | UNC | ![]() ![]() |
| 18 | 19 | Anthony Castonzo | OT | Boston College | ![]() |
| 19 | 20 | Phil Taylor | DT | Baylor | ![]() |
| 20 | 17 | Jimmy Smith | CB | Colorado | ![]() ![]() |
| 21 | 21 | Aaron Williams | CB | Texas | ![]() |
| 22 | 25 | Martez Wilson | LB | Illinois | ![]() ![]() |
| 23 | 23 | Nate Solder | OT | Colorado | ![]() |
| 24 | 26 | Mikel Leshoure | RB | Illinois | ![]() |
| 25 | 18 | Rahim Moore | S | UCLA | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 25 | 29 | Akeem Ayers | LB | UCLA | ![]() ![]() |
| 27 | 28 | Muhammad Wilkerson | DT | Temple | ![]() |
| 28 | 22 | Aldon Smith | DE | Missouri | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 29 | 27 | Stephen Paea | DT | Oregon State | ![]() |
| 30 | 30 | Derek Sherrod | OT | Mississippi State | ![]() |
| 31 | 39 | Blaine Gabbert | QB | Missouri | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 32 | 32 | Marvin Austin | DT | UNC | ![]() |
| 33 | 38 | Danny Watkins | OG | Baylor | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 34 | 36 | Corey Liuget | DT | Illinois | ![]() |
| 35 | 33 | Marcus Cannon | OT | TCU | ![]() |
| 36 | 37 | Stefan Wisniewski | C | Penn State | ![]() |
| 37 | 31 | Cam Newton | QB | Auburn | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 38 | 34 | Kyle Rudolph | TE | Notre Dame | ![]() ![]() |
| 39 | 40 | Benjamin Ijalana | OT | Villanova | ![]() |
| 40 | 41 | Mason Foster | LB | Washington | ![]() |
| 41 | 44 | Cameron Heyward | DE | Ohio State | ![]() ![]() |
| 42 | 45 | Adrian Clayborn | DE | Iowa | ![]() ![]() |
| 43 | 35 | Ryan Kerrigan | DE | Purdue | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 44 | - - | Titus Young | WR | Boise State | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 45 | - - | Kenrick Ellis | DT | Hampton | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 46 | 46 | Leonard Hankerson | WR | Miami | ![]() |
| 47 | - - | Jake Locker | QB | Washington | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 48 | 49 | Ras I Dowling | CB | Virginia | ![]() |
| 49 | - - | Ryan Williams | RB | Virginia Tech | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| 50 | - - | Johnny Patrick | CB | Louisville | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Positional Rankings
| Offense | |||||
| QB | WR | TE | RB | OT | C/G |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blaine Gabbert | Julio Jones | Kyle Rudolph | Mark Ingram | Tyron Smith | Mike Pouncey |
| Cam Newton | AJ Green | Mikel Leshoure | Gabe Carimi | Danny Watkins | |
| Jake Locker |
Titus Young |
Ryan Williams |
Anthony Castonzo | Stefan Wisniewski | |
| Leonard Hankerson | Nate Solder | ||||
| Derek Sherrod | |||||
| Marcus Cannon | |||||
| Benjamin Ijalana | |||||
| Defense | |||||
| DT | DE | OLB | ILB | CB | S |
| Marcell Dareus | JJ Watt | Von Miller | Martez Wilson | Patrick Peterson | Rahim Moore |
| Nick Fairley | Cameron Jordan | Justin Houston | Akeem Ayers | Prince Amukamara | |
| Phil Taylor | Da'Quan Bowers | Mason Foster | Brandon Harris | ||
| Muhammad Wilkerson | Robert Quinn | Jimmy Smith | |||
| Stephen Paea | Aldon Smith | Aaron Williams | |||
| Marvin Austin | Cameron Heyward | Ras I Dowling | |||
| Corey Liuget | Adrian Clayborn | Johhny Patrick |
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| Kenrick Ellis |
Ryan Kerrigan | ||||
ChiaCrack Note: I wrote this fan post earlier today and did not know that Pouncey had tweeted about being a Cowboy. OCC can vouch for me there. Crazy that I had Pouncey as a big mover up my board and now he might be a Cowboy. If we trade down and land Pouncey I will be thrilled guys.
[OCC here. I'll vouch for that. I received the full ranking and write-up before Pouncey's twitter announcement]
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good job!!!
i wouldnt even attempt to do a top 50 so kudos for that…i do think u got marvin austin a lil low, i see him as a guy on the rise he’s had a lot of good workouts and has been turning heads every since the senior bowl
by Rj MarleyJane Groves on Apr 6, 2011 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
I kept him where I had him last time
I do like him tho, good tackle man
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting u have jones higher than green..
is that just because u think right now he’s the better prospect or overall do u see him as a better talent than aj??
by Rj MarleyJane Groves on Apr 6, 2011 5:24 PM CDT reply actions
hmm
thats tough
bascially as of right now I just like Julio better
Green might be the better WR, but Jones might be the better athlete
thats a tough ranking for me actually
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
yea i was curious because not many people have julio ahead of aj, but i do aswell
by Rj MarleyJane Groves on Apr 17, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
idk
I could be wrong but AJ Green kinda has that bust factor to him
WR’s in the top 10 scare me
by Archie Barberio on Apr 17, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It took me a minute to get over here and read this
Rec’d!
As always, well done Chia.
A task that many of us on here would not even try to do and somehow you have done it so well.
Some questions
Why so down on the QBs? I realize this is not a mock draft, but most boards have Gabbert and Newton at least in the top 15.
Also, Liuget and Kerrigan are consensus mid-first round picks, they appear a little low here. Any particular reason?
by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 6, 2011 5:32 PM CDT reply actions
Sure
when I first got the idea to do my board, fan in thick and thin gave me the idea to rank my 50 best players
I also kinda use a similar format to Wes Buntings big board where I put players by their skills and not their position
its a liitle unique in that way
I dont see a Bradford Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Drew Brees Phillip Rivers this year
I think by my last update I will have Gabbert higher because he is the one qb I really like because of his arm and passion for the film and game
I actually liked Jake Locker last year, I see him as a decent QB prospect
I want no parts of Cam Newton, he seems like a frontrunner bad
I think you can wait until the 2nd round and get a guy like Kaepernick or Ponder heck even McElroy and maybe have success
OCC I am a tough tough critic of QB’s and I guarantee alot of draft sites and gurus just put them in their top 25 because there HAS to be qb’s ranked that high because of the position
I think its a weak QB class, look at Claussen and how high he was ranked last year, I compare my rankings to that, I dont see great QB’s
I like Gabbert Locker and McElroy but just not with a early first round pick
I happen to like Corey Liuget actually, I just like Muhamad Wilkerson and Marvin Austin better than him so I dont think thats crazy
im not a big fan of Kerrigan for a few reasons, he is a tweener prospect that doesnt have a true position yet
his speed and burst arent all that impressive to me, I think he was a GREAT college player
he could be similar to Anthony Spencer, and thats why I am so low on him
guys like JJ Watt just to me are special, I dont see that in Kerrigan, oh and I could be really wrong but thats not a player I am in love with in the first round
2nd round? oh yeah great 2nd round pick just not a dynamic 1st rd pick
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think its a bad year for QB's
when Matt Barkley comes out from USC, he will be talked as a #1 pick, now thats a real good QB prospect
I forgot to mention Andy Dalton who hey maybe develop into something as well
I think a team looking for a QB should either do one of 3 things
1.Draft Blaine Gabbert and thats your guy, he has alot of talent but is really raw like Sanchez was
2.Take your Prince Peterson Dareus etc and look for a QB in the 2nd-3rd round
3.Take your 1st round stud and trade up for Locker
its just not a exciting QB class, Gabbert and Locker I would invest a first round pick in IF I had too
not a good year to be looking for a QB
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Ponder too
I would grab my stud 1st round guy and then go after Ponder, he has some potential to develop into a good starting QB
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Compared to recent QB classes
This year’s crop really leaves a lot to be desired.
It would have been interesting to see how the values of these current QBs would have changed had Andrew Luck come out this year. If he had left Stanford this year, someone would have gotten a great QB. other teams would have reached for some of these other guys, but they wouldn’t have reached quite as far becuase they would have seen Luck and compared every other guy to him.
I am with Chia. If I am a GM in desperate need of a QB, I think I take a stud in the 1st Round. and take a chance on one of these other QBs in the 2nd or 3rd. . . . . . Look at Colt McCoy, the guy doesn’t “wow” you, but contributed nicely as a 3rd Round pick. Did it fix the Browns’ need at QB? Maybe not the permanent solution, but it did give them servicable options that allowed them to address other needs first. I think the same mentality should be used in this year’s draft. . . . . . IMHO
thats my point
look at McCoy who had relative success in his rookie season
id rather take Peterson Dareus or whatever and then look to get Ponder
by Archie Barberio on Apr 10, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you have Aldon Smith so low
Do you think he’s too much of a tweener. He reminds me of Freeney and Mathis.
okay
I can see that
I think Aldon Smith is a nice prospect, very athletic and can rush the passer
I have trouble ranking him actually
first off he is really young and raw, he is a developmental project at this point with extreme upside and starter material no doubt
his game tape is actually really good, you put that on and your like wow but the players I have ranked ahead of him I think will be better starters right away
I think Aldon Smith needs to go to the right team, a team that can coach him up and develop his pass rushing skills
hes another tweener but his speed translates to OLB, he can add the size to play DE in a 4-3 like a Freeney or Mario Williams, but both of those players were farther along in their development
Aldon Smith is one of the hardest players for me to rank, I like him but I just dont see him as a top 15 pick, I think in the 20-30 range thats about right
great upside, very young, great pass rusher, needs to develop and hit the weight room but has some muscle already
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
once again OCC thanks alot man
im sorry, I should have formatted the text of the story better my bad
you made this look great yet once again
I really appreciate it bro
Returned the favor (rec'age)
don’t agree with some of your assessments, but it is a well put together post. I
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
can you discuss what you disagree with? I like getting feedback actually
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
For starters AJ Green is one of the top 3 best players in the draft, without a doubt
Secondly, Mike Pouncey is a good guard. But good guards are not first rounder, especially if they can’t play another position.
Kerrigan is a great player, etc.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
ok
I disagree with Pouncey, guards arent first round picks but centers are?
and Pouncey can play multiple positions
im not that high on AJ Green, I havent been all season so I wont flipflop there ya know
Kerrigan is another guy Im not as high on as others, I never said he wasnt good, I just dont think he is a top 20 pick no way with all the other talent on the board
thanks for your input, mich appreciated
by Archie Barberio on Apr 6, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree on AJ Green
Too over hyped, IMO. It’s a weird WR class(much like the QB class and CB class), lack of elite talent probably has pushed Green too high up there. After the combine, I think Julio Jones put himself in the conversation of who’s going to be the better pro in the long run.
"I'm not gonna hold my head down. I'm gonna fight until this damn thing is over, period!" Jay Ratliff
Guards can be first round picks if they are elite
and even then you are talking about the bottom of the first. Secondly, if you mean left guard and right guard by “multiple positions”, then yes he can play multiple positions. Otherwise, unless it has guard in the name then no he can’t play other positions, at least well.
Kerrigan has consistently put up big numbers the past three years, in terms of sacks and tackles for loss. It is extremely hard to find players in college that can be consistently great. In fact many Purdue fans will argue he has been their best defensive player ever.
And not only has he been a great college player but his combine performance exceeded expectations, as he displayed great athleticism and strength.
If anything he is underrated, not overrated.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
maybe
I see another Spencer that lacks pass rushing speed
I think Kerrigan will have to play 43 DE
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree 43 DE is probably a better fit for him
but he has had even better production than Spencer had at Purdue (and Spencer had pretty good production). Moreover, his motor and overall work ethic is a lot better than Spencer’s.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I agree there
his work ethic and motor are better
he scares me because Spencer was a beast and had a high motor too, but I think Kerrigan is a solid player I just dont think he’s elite ya know
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Just wondering
How much film have you watched on these guys and how much does that affect your opinion of these guys relative to other factors such as combine and word of mouth?
http://cowboysanalysis.blogspot.com/
quite a bit actually
ive been doing my homework on the draft for sometime now actually
youtube has alot of game highlights, indvidual highlights, actual game footage courtesy of MTD so ive done quite a bit of research in that aspect
ive also watched college games primarily for players, i would for instance just watch Gabe Carimi the whole game
word of mouth factors in, various scouting reports, the combine
i think the best method is to compile a percentage of each
ive always been a draft nut because good teams build thru the draft, ive had alot of extra time on my hands this past winter so I spent alot ot it scouting sorta
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice work
I dont have the knowledge base to put together a list like this, and props for it.
I do get a little confused sometimes on who you think we should take in the first round…..It has been T Smith for some time now, but you are now ok if we trade down to get Pouncey ?
I swear i saw you say in another post that the only way you would like a trade down is if we were guarenteed to get Pouncey and (??? cant remember), but you also said there were no quarentees (sp, again).
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
I want Tyron Smith
but if I was guaranteed say Carimi and Pouncey I would trade down, but nothing is guaranteed correct
I think Tyron Smith should be our guy because RT is a huge need and we could get by another year with Kosier and Davis
yes I am all for trading down and taking Pouncey, even if we took him at 9 which would be a reach, but I wouldnt have a problem with it because I think Pouncey is the best guard in the draft
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
theres just something about Pouncey
idk I just really like him for our team, I think he is a perfect fit for us
he’s got great character, dude is strong as a bull, has football IQ, came from a good program, has the football gene
I just like the way he comes across in his interviews, I think he would be a solid team guy
if the rumors are true, then I think if the Cowboys move down to 14 or so Pouncey is perfect
even if we took him at 9 I wouldnt be mad, its a reach, but Dallas hasnt reached for a OL in years and this is why our OL is the way it is
our skill positions are good enough where we can reach for Pouncey
we have Romo Dez Witten Miles Felix Choice Ware Ratliff Spencer etc, I think we could afford to reach for Pouncey
I think Pouncey is a guy you start at guard and he has a immediate impact for your team
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Thx for the follow up
for me, i still want one of the top 3 OT prospects, and if we can trade down to do it great, and if that means we can trade back into the first for Pouncey or Wis or Watkins…I would be a happy camper….(Wis would be my choice of those three, just plays center better than Pouncey did)
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
and to top it all of...
this could bring back the cowboys-steelers rivalry… or at least fire it up a lil bit more. u know… cuz his big bro plays in pittsurgh. lol i bet they will hate our cowboys even more if we steal pouncey 2.0 from their reach. haha. not to mention that if we trade down and get him, we mite have an extra 2nd rounder and/or trade back into the first round with those two 2nd rounders and pick another stud player like him.
if we select a Guard in Mike Pouncey who will be our RT?
Does anyone thing Sam Young can be a regular in the NFL? We need these guys in the weight room
i've been arguing that 4 a long time
i think sam young could be an upgrade over colombo and be a decent or average (at worst) RT. though we COULD keep colombo for 1 more year as a backup in case young or free get hurt. then if young doesnt work out, i’ll remind everyone that we got a pretty good draft next year filled with a better OL class. i mean its time we take a chance on sam young and not worry too much for RT in this year’s draft.
I tell you what
when we drafted Sam Young I said thats a great draft pick
its a 6th round pick your not risking anything, the guy was a 4 year starter and was pretty solid
I think Young could be a starter at RT, I just want to have a backup plan in case he turns into another Alan Ball
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? You were enthused about taking Sam Young?
I am still not enthused about taking him a year later. The guy had bad feet. That is that. I don’t see it. Maybe he can prove me wrong, but I doubt it.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
If there is anywhere you can get away with bad feet
it’s RT. So there’s a chance. Not saying I think Young is it, because I don’t see it either, but I guess it’s possible.
Don't believe everything you think.
im just saying
for a 6th round pick your getting a 4 year starter that was considered a blue chip player out of that famous florida high school
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
High school status should go out the window in the draft.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
man you nitpick everything I say
but something has to be looked at with a positive here
4 year starter, blue chip high school product
once again, not bad for a 6th round pick
Im not saying hes good, but he just might be solid
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha I am really not trying to be too much of a nitpicker.
I mean after all I realize how hard it is to put up a board. I attempted to build one myself but found the process to be too difficult to persevere through.
I just really am pretty skeptical of Sam young.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
lol your right though
high school status isnt important but im trying to see some positives with Sam Young
I hope just turns into something man
I mean Costa the UDFA is looking like our best draft pick on the OL recently and he was a UDFA
I tell you what Creasy I was pissed off pretty much entering into the 09 draft, we traded away for Roy Williams and I was like Jerry look at these players man Oher Matthews Harvin Nicks, I really wanted Harvin not gonna lie to ya, then I watched us trade down in the 2nd, pass on Loadholt for Jason Williams, then pass on other OT’s for Brewster
seriously the Brewster pick had me scratching my head right away, im like what do they see in this guy from Ball State
I knew right away that draft was a failure starting with Brewster, that pick made no f’n sense what so ever
I read today that the Cowboys had a 3rd round grade on Sebastian Volmer but took Robert Brewster
can you explain me your ranking of Brewster? imagine getting a sneak peak of that draft board
pathetic
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
and to make matters even more funny
we had a great 2009 season with scrubs beside Phillips Ogletree and Butler
imagine if we actually drafted a good player besides those 2 (KO was a UDFA but I consider him part of the class somewhat)
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. 2009 could have been a pretty good draft.
But yeah, we had the bad trade and then managed to jump on about five grenades at once. Brewster didn’t make sense. Buehler didn’t make sense (although he definitely made our defense look better in 2009). The Cincy CBs couldn’t stick through camp. Jason Williams was sooooo raw. Butler and B. Williams have stuck around but needless to say taking them both was a huge shock when we had only a little perceived need there.
Needless to say, I was studying for my finals as a freshman and simultaneously watching our draft fall apart compared to my expectations. I was not pleased. I managed to talk myself into some of the picks as the offseason wore on, but your initial reaction is usually the correct one.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I didi the same
I tryed to sell the picks afterwards, I got to like Butler and Phillips thats it
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions
High school status should go out the window in the draft.
interesting. have you considered what effect ‘high school status’ is having on the evaluation of Tyron Smith?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 8, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it has some sort of bearing
especially for Sam Young, minor it may be but he was a blue chip national recruit out of Saint Thomas or Saint Aquenas its Deions high school I cant remember the name
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't considered it
because I haven’t seen any analysts really use it as some sort of justification as to why he should be drafted high. When they start doing that, than I will worry about whether the “high school effect” is significant.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
this is from a comparison of Jake Locker vs. Christian Ponder that is trying to understand why Locker is higher on draft boards even though Ponder is superior in every way.
the most likely reason is that many scouts are still using the mind’s eye system. Their initial mental image of Locker was as a dominant prospect and, as is so often the case, first impressions are the strongest.
My hunch is that ‘high school status’ biases scouts.
I haven’t seen any analysts really use
you haven’t noticed that most scouting reports mention that he was a 5-star recruit?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 9, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
many actually
also I just want to say I think Ponder and Locker are some really good prospects at QB that you dont have to take in the top 20
if I needed a QB and I wanted to take my stud in the top 10, I would find a way to trade up to get one of them
by Archie Barberio on Apr 9, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps there is bias. But I guess I just have a hard time
thinking that many NFL talent evaluators spend a whole lot of time sorting through old high school evaluations (by other people no less) and then letting that strongly influence what they think they are seeing. Plus, if high school status biases scouts so much, I would think you would see some prospects get down-played because maybe they weren’t that good coming out of high school. Honestly though, I don’t see too much of that (Fairley was a 3-star btw).
And yes, I have seen it mentioned before that Tyron was a 5-star prospect. I have yet to see it used as any sort of justification for taking him though. Plus, I don’t see it mentioned on several sites that have him ranked pretty well (ESPN, NFP, Mocking the Draft). So as such, I don’t think that it is fair to say that his high school status has somehow gotten him all this attention. Plus, for as much hand-wringing as there is about Tyron Smith’s offseason rise, consider that Mocking the Draft wrote in November that he was likely going to a top pick in 2012 if he stayed in school.
You are welcome to a hunch, but any scout worth respecting is not going to use high school status to make evaluations.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
And yes, I have seen it mentioned before that Tyron was a 5-star prospect. I have yet to see it used as any sort of justification for taking him though
you don’t see scouts saying “we have Jake Locker is higher on our board because he was a dominant prospect” either. Doesn’t mean that they don’t do it.
Ideally scouts would be unbiased. But they’re human and I believe they are biased. I try to understand what those biases are.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 10, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Well they clearly like Locker because of his athleticism
and the fact that he did produce decently in 2009 despite a pretty poor surrounding cast. I don’t think it is because they saw a high school report that biased them ridiculously.
And as for Tyron, could some scouts be biased? Sure they could. But is every single scout biased considering almost all have him at worst as a mid-first round pick? I find that hypothesis to be very doubtful.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Only place you can get away with bad feet
Is at Guard, not RT. If Sam Young were to start this year we would be in trouble. Don’t get me wrong, I like having him on the roster as a young guy with potetnial to backup our starters while learning mroe, but nothing I saw says Young is ready to start, even on “just” the right side.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
Creas
for where we took him yeah
a decent RT in the 6th is a good draft pick actually
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree.
Between him and Jamar Wall, the Cowboys late-round picks left me wanting more.
But in all reality, I really didn’t like Sam Young because I was (and am) tired of getting mauler types to develop way too late in the draft, as if they are ever going to be more than average pass-blockers. Hell, Doug Free, with his feet coming out of college, had some speed issues at LT. Are we really expecting a guy with bad feet to be any more than a back-up in a league where D-coordinators will do all they can to isolate bad edge protectors? Can you imagine what Dom Capers would send at Sam Young, a guy who can’t really move laterally and is almost too tall for his own good? Sure, the Cowboys could (and can) plan around it, but I guess I was hoping to pick an offensive lineman last year who had real starting potential to be more than a backup and maybe someone who could be a dependable guy who won’t need help with speed rushers. Considering the way our O-line has ended seasons, Sam Young was not a guy I was enthused about taking.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I agree about Wall
what a waste of a pick seriously
should have drafted a kicker at least right
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
RT
Young is similar to a young Columbo at RT, that may be something idk yet because I havent seen Young in action yet at all
I thought Brewster played well in the preseason and the Cowboys cut him, its hard to understand their OL philophosy
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
you gotta temper your expectations
he’s a sixth round pick and I just think he’s not bad for a 6th
people bitch about this guy, im not saying you are, but I saw people bitch and moan when we drafted him and im look so who we taking guru? what OT is left at this point in the draft
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was definitely one of the people moaning about taking him haha.
I wanted a different guy like Selvish Capers, Ramon Harewood (upside abound) or Thomas Welch (a guy with good feet). And yeah, some of those guys didn’t have great first years. But they would represent picks with upside rather than a guy whose limitations were pretty easy to see.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Harewood
now that guy would have been great because he has immense potential
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe the Cowboys feel Sam Young is a starter
im not sold on that idea but, I think they would love to move up and get Watkins or Ijalana if we move down for Pouncey
we would have the extra picks neccessary
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this too and ...
What about James Carpenter OT from Alabama….I heard a rumor today he is creeping up boards into the mid to high 2nd round range. Apparently Goose Gosselin thinks he could come in and be a starting RT….heard that on the Norm Hitzges show yesterday…..So perhaps with a trade down that nets Dallas at least another 2nd round pick….maybe Pouncey and Carpenter could be your LG and RT they could go along way to fixing up the Oline…..although I think I would still wanna take a flyer on another OT later just in case, maybe David Mims or Willie Smith?? What do you folks think?
A lot of disagreements:
Way too high: Watt, Moore, Cannon.
Too high: Amukamara, Carimi, Harris, Taylor, Williams, Wilson.
A bit high: Smith, Houston, Pouncey.
A bit low: Green, Quinn, Ayers.
Too low: Gabbert, Liuget, Young.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Watt is no top 10 talent. Around 15 would be a better position.
Moore’s speed problems are big. The fact that he had to cut his conditioning short due to poor conditioning is a red flag.
Cannon ranked ahead of Wisniewski and Ijalana is a really bad call, I would drop him out of the top 50.
Amukamara is a nice athlete, but I don’t think that he’s NFL ready, at times he seems to react too slowly. Football smarts?
Carimi is a RT prospect only. Imagine a good and healthy Colombo playing LT. Not a good idea.
Harris has potential, but there’s talk that only 2 CBs will be selected in the 1st Round for a reason. Big questions around all of the other CBs.
Taylor’s too much a boom or bust prospect to be ranked that high. Character.
Williams at FS? Maybe he’s the top Safety prospect as an athlete, but football smarts are a question with him and at safety you need a good head over your shoulders.
Wilson is a very respectable prospect, but placing him 18 spots ahead of Mason Foster is a head scratcher. Would rank them closer together.
Smith is a bit of a one year wonder, in his previous years he was overpowered too much, which has to do with him being too young and small. If you’re going on film alone, can’t see how you should rank him higher than Charles Brown in 2009. Of course, he’s as good of an athlete and has a lot of more potential and that makes him a better prospect. But top 5?
Houston I like. Experience at DE and OLB. Played in a Pro 3-4 scheme last year. But he isn’t that good of an athlete, I would drop him 10 spots.
Pouncey’s capable of following his brother’s footsteps, but he’s not there yet.
Green is a beast.
Quinn I like better than Houston.
Ayers makes me think Julian Peterson. Probably not a 3-4 OLB, but a 4-man front SSLB.
Gabbert is a really solid passer all around. Looks like a bit of a worse prospect than Matt Ryan.
Liuget is strong and quick enough for the liking of pretty much every defensive scheme.
Young makes me think about a combination between DeSean Jackson and Steve Smith (NY).
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
just my opinions
i ranked guys how I feel, i am not a follower here
if you look at Wes Buntings board, its very similar in the way I set mine up
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
im not sure saying Wilson is a head scratcher
his numbers are off the charts, almost every board I see has Foster in the 40’s and Wilson in the 30’s or late 20’s
I think Wilson is a freak, he just is
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Mayock has Williams as his #1 S now
I respect his opinion, guess somebody else feels the same way as me
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Watt is no top 10 talent. Around 15 would be a better position.
if nothing else, this post is awesome because it’s getting everyone’s assessment down in black and white.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 8, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
great point man
you know I like knowing what people think too
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks by the way
I got SBNation Dallas Editors Pick for the last one
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
FITAT
whats your take on my board? and what do you think about Pouncey?
I think he has pro bowl potential at guard
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The board is good.
For posterity I’ll put up a board and my logic.
If nothing else, it will be fodder for discussion a year from now.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 8, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
oh jesus a year from now
im gonna be getting bashed hard I can see it
YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS GUY THAT GUY!
when its soooo hard to do this stuff
all draft gurus are wrong, Wes Bunting said hes wrong all the time, its learning from your mistakes
I did a board last year for myself and this is my 2nd year doing it, i think by next year I will be even better at it because I will learn from my mistakes this year
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Wes has lost me. I think he’s a bad analyst.
He wrote that piece ‘learning from your mistakes’
but there’s a problem with that piece. You know what it is? Getting good feedback. Wes doesn’t actually know why he made the mistake now or in the first place.
He’s right that you have to look at your mistakes but that’s only half of it. You also have to be able to correctly identify why the mistake was made. Nothing in Wes’s approach makes me think that he figured it out. His “correction” is just as erronious as his initial mistake.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 9, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
hmm
good point actually
I tell you what though I will know what I did wrong next year and attempt to fix it
he was in LOVE with Matt Jones idk what he saw
great athlete but was mehhhh you know
he loved Aaron Maybin, I like Penn State guys but Maybin scared the shit out of me and I felt soooo bad for the Bills
this is the worst of all because you can be wrong about a WR or pass rusher but not franchise QB’s
he said Matt Ryan wasnt all that or something along those lines even though he had him ranked as his #1 pick I still dont understand what the heck he is saying
I watched Matt Ryan at BC and was in awe man, he is truly a great college player and I saw him make every NFL throw, and he is a leader
against Virginia Tech its pouring man I mean there is rain coming everywhere its a muddy f’n mess he takes the team on his back and makes a awesome comeback for the win
after that game I said hes the best player in the draft, no offense Jake Long but i value franchise QB’s
I think Gabbert has some Matt Ryan in him, their kinda similar
Gabbert is my #1 QB but I dont think I will move him past 25 on my board
by Archie Barberio on Apr 9, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
look at his explanations:
Matt Jones – long strider
Maybin – no counter moves
Ugoh – narrow lower body
Are we sure those are really the problems. Maybin ran a 4.38 short shuttle, maybe the problem is Maybin is stiff, not that he doesn’t have counter moves.
Jones was a college QB. Maybe the problem isn’t that he’s a ‘long strider’. Maybe it’s that he had to learn a new position and was a coke-head. I mean I remember one game against Dallas where Jones was unstoppable. The physical side didn’t look like the problem to me.
He was wrong the 1st time around. No reason to think he’s right the 2nd time around either.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 9, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
That article was the biggest self-serving piece of crap I have read from Bunting in a long time.
by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 9, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m torn about Pouncey.
On one hand, he has a twin that just played at a pro-bowl caliber as a rookie. His combine was in line with Maurice as well. And here’s an intangible I hate to admit. When he ran the 40, I just got a gut feel that he just has it (and no kidding, the last guy I felt that way about was Clay Matthew doing LB drills). It seems like the easiest projection in the whole draft (although we have Robin and Brook Lopez as proof that twins aren’t the same).
On the other hand, Bunting says Mike isn’t close as a prospect.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Apr 10, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
to be honest
I love this kid
I get this feeling and I swear to god here, I say this guy is going to be hes just going to be a solid pro in their game for 10 years easy
I said it about Matt Ryan Brian Orakpo Percy Harvin Dez Bryant Demarcus Ware Desean Jackson Derek Rose Andrew McCutchen etc I see players sometimes and I just have a gut feeling they are going to be awesome
I get that feeling with Pouncey
I think he might be a Pro Bowl guard, I said the same for Iupati
by Archie Barberio on Apr 10, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike is no Maurkice.
He does not play with the same technique or consistency and was terrible as a C. He might eventually be a starter at OG, but he is not plug and play like his brother.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
im talking guard not center
at guard he has pro bowl talent
by Archie Barberio on Apr 13, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
wow those are really high grades on
Smith, Prince, Carimi & Houston. i stopped looking after that
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Carimi rated higher then AJ Green?...can you explain that one?
i love Carimi but i can’t see how he breaks the top 10 of any legit board unless this is just for Dallas. i also don’t understand how Newton is your top rated QB by position but he’s below Gabbert on your board.
thanks in advance for the feedback…
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
you stopped looking afer that?
and I should give you nice feedback?
ok
I think Carimi is a starting caliber player right away, thats why he is so high on my board
Newton has great skills, his attitude is the problem
ive stated that Gabbert is a riser on my board because I think he can make all the throws but is raw
in my last update before the draft the highest Gabbert will be is 20-25 and Newton could be down to 35-40
Newton is really turning me off
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
DC
thats a editor error, Gabbert is ranked higher i gotta fix that
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
my bad for that
I didnt see that error
its fixed
Gabbert is ranked 31st Newton 37th
I just had the positional rankings messed up
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
It’s pretty unthinkable that a RT-only prospect could be higher than AJ Green. I just don’t get what people don’t like about AJ Green. He is essentially Dez Bryant (in terms of ability to adjust to the ball and make tough catches), with a little more height and a little less explosiveness.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I think Dez is better
also I dont like taking wr’s in the top 10, it usually doesnt pan out recently
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because too many get overdrafted due to measurables (see Bay, Darrius-Heyward)
but the three best receivers in the league right now (Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald) were all top-ten picks. Sure there have been busts, but there are definitely WRs who should clearly be taken in the first round. I think AJ Green is one of those guys (and Dez should have been as well).
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
ugh
Heyward Bey was awful
Crabtree looked awesome in college but I dont think he’s better than Dez, no way and look where Crabtree went
Dez was a nice gift for us
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I need to make this more clear
when I do my draft board, I try to set it up like Bunting does his, im a huge fan of his and I copied his formula for mine
on his board his first ranked QB is 39 or something late and its Christian Ponder
Gabbert is overrated, its a fact
the guy is green and raw, yes he has amazing talent, yes he can make every throw
but he isnt a top 10 pick in my eyes, thats just how I feel
when theres a Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Big Ben Rivers Sam Bradford I saw highly talented players
this is a true story, my friend is a 49ers fan and I remember the draft where they were debating taking Rodgers or Smith, he asked me what would i do, I said I really like the Rodgers kid, he just seems like a NFL QB that may need 2 years to develop but I think you would have one heck of a QB, I felt Smith was a great college player, just not a NFL cailber player
long behold I was right and ever since that draft I got a little confidence that maybe I know how to spot players
but ive been wrong about guys too, everyone is
Wes Bunting wrote a great article detailing his biggest misses ever, I can admit I thought Mike Williams was going to be awesome, I was wrong
I thought Mario Williams was a great pick, I was right there
but trust me ive been wrong about guys, it happens nobody is perfect when it comes to analyzing draft prospects, thats why they get paid the big bucks and i am doing this as a hobby
What's with Wisniewski?
He’s dropped on a lot of boards.
im not sure
he actually moved up one spot on mine to 36
I think thats about where he should go in the late 30’s to 40’s
the thing is centers dont get drafted high but he can also be one heck of a guard
I think Penn State players also come from good coaching so usually they work out
I liked the center AJ Shipley I think his name was, short stout guy but strong, he is from Penn State too
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i get alot of Penn State coverage in my area
and they loved the Wis
another guy I kinda think might workout is Ollie Ogbu DT from Penn State
has that Ratliff build to him and is solid player
definately a nice 6-7th UDFA considering his talent
by Archie Barberio on Apr 7, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
one thing thats really hard when doing big boards
is players your in love with
like everyone has their guy you know, you will have a bunch of guys that you just stand up and say you know what I really like this guy and I dont care what anyone else says
I do the same thing when I do fantasy baseball football basketball drafts
I take players I like regardless if the other option might put up more stats
for instance in fantasy baseball this year I wanted Andrew McCutchen OF Pirates
I have owned this guy for the last 2 years and he is a blue chip prospect I followed when he was coming up in their system
I took him with my 4th pick this year in the 3rd round, now I could have taken other players but I really like McCutchen
I try not to do this in the draft and I manage to fray from it mostly but I got guys like JJ Watt Tyron Smith Brandon Harris Rahim Moore Martez Wilson Mason Foster high because i really like them idk its players I really like
Moore is a guy that I should drop down to the 30’s but I just like him, I think he is young and is still developing into a football player
he works out with Ed Reed, he hangs out with him and is being taught by the best safety in the NFL besides Polamanu in his prime
Moore isnt Ed Reed but I think if he focuses on cleaning up his technique he will be a good caliber starter
his ball skills are fine, hes a ballhawk he had 12 picks or more I forget what the total was for his career at UCLA
he needs to clean up his technique in tackling and diagnosing the play and I think he will because he is a young player
with time he should clean those areas up, when you get 2 years experience under your belt some players take off and that may be the case with Moore
Good stuff Chia
This is a really hard excercise. My brother the other day asked me for my Top 25 and after starting the list I had to ask, “For the Cowboys or a 4-3 team…for who?” I find it impossible to make one overall list. Guys like Bowers, Quinn, Fairley all rank lower on my Cowboy list because they are better fits for a 4-3 team. And then the Boys don’t have a QB in the Top 10, but another team might. It is really hard. I find your list seems pretty Cowboys specific…as it should be in my opinion. But I wanted to ask, would your rankings change for a different team or are you comfortable with this as overall BPA for everyone?
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
+1
I would not even try it
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
yeah
I would say my list is more deatailed for the Cowboys because I only follow the Cowboys because thats my f’n team!
its really hard, like you said actually sit down and try to rank guys its really hard
yeah I would change it according to team definately because each team runs a different system and has different needs
this is basically my BPA but I wont lie, I have some Cowboys influences in my board
I think your best draft strategy is BPA mixed with need, leaning too heavily towards one or the other is not a good look
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
for instance
im really high on Justin Houston because I like him as a 34 OLB, if I was a 43 team, my board would have to change because of that
I started off just going the best 50 in the draft in my first one, but your right its more Cowboy oriented than before and I think thats a good thing
its still my BPA for the top 50 but, with the Cowboys having some influence on the rankings
I wouldnt say its alot, maybe 20 percent
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, well done
And no doubt, I can’t even imagine how one creates a list without having team needs/schemes involved in the rankings – like Drafttek, I would need to at least quantify how much worse a player is in a different system (4-3 vs. 3-4 OR West Coast vs. Newage Run & Shoot OR Zone coverage v.s Man coverage, etc.)
Like I said, the rankings do seem more realistic for the Cowboys than some other team, and that is a good thing. That is what we should be looking at.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
I know about Gilbert Brewer and Mims
but idk anything about King, could you tell me more? Ive seen his name rising up lately
by Archie Barberio on Apr 8, 2011 11:35 PM CDT reply actions
Actually Mims is the guy going higher. The Ravens just invited him for a workout.
They like big tackles with not much experence. They think they can train them up to be solid tackles.
by Jonathan Stern on Apr 10, 2011 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Aldon Smith
people questioned my ranking of him so I went back to the tapes
pretty much the same thing I remembered last time reviewing them
great pass rushing talent, dude is sooo fast, quick off the line
needs to bulk up, has a long frame that he needs to add muscle too
he’s like a small forward right now, he needs to bulk up to a power forward type body
raw in his pass rushing moves relies on his bull rush and speed to over power offensive lineman
great recognition actually, understands where the play is going to go, anticipates well
solid tackler, physical
actually is really good in pass coverage when asked to drop back
has some versatility to his game, was lined up as a defensive end 80-90 percent of the time but did move inside over the guard as a tackle
I see him really as the perfect conversion to a OLB in a 34 defense
but I also see him as a perfect defensive end in a 43 when he adds more muscle and bulk to his frame because of his speed and power combo
he reminds of Justin Tuck and I think Smith is a great prospect, he is just young and raw
it may take him 2 years to truly develop into a starter but has all the skills to be a dominate pass rusher right away if used correctly and learns more pass rushing moves
I woudlnt rank him over Justin Houston on my board because I think Houston is more pro ready
conclusion I will move him up my board but not past the 20’s, he does have a top 15 skill set, but he is raw
if Smith goes to the right team and brought along slowly say used as a pass rushing specialist while he bulks up and learns I think thats the best fit for him
The board is pretty good but you are being to too tough on Aldon Smtih and AJ Green. Carimi is good and he is a winner but he is only about the 25th -30 th best player in this draft.
I think Carimi is a Pro Bowl RT
I dont think thats the 25th best player in the draft
I have AJ Green in the top 10, thats more than fair, many boards have him where I have him so its not like Im dissing him
10th best player thats not awful
by Archie Barberio on Apr 10, 2011 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking good Chia-Blue
I like that board.I think Justin Houston is too high and Aldon Smith too low.I’m telling you Cameron Heyward will be a great 3-4 DE.He is way too low for us.From what I here because I didn’t see them play much Martez Wilson and Phil Taylor are 1st rd potential in individual drills but 3rd or 4th rd on game day on the field.As always you do a great job.
I’ll answer that question about Baldwin the WR from Pitt you asked at DC.com since nobody else did on there.I think if they get an additional 2nd rd pick with a trade down and he’s still there they will take him .They may take him in the third if he’s still there.I think they like him a lot and want to see if he falls.
thanks quest
lol I tryed to talk football and there was some sort of argument going on and dbj was that europeisacountry guy so I bounced
idk I find Baldwin intruiging because maybe Dallas is going to be a pass based attack with multiple WR sets, like Norv Turner in San Diego
people sleep on Houston dude, thats one guy I am really high on while everyone else isnt
he could go in the 2nd round and I think you got a top 15 pick imo
by Archie Barberio on Apr 12, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Houston
I seriously doubt he slips into the 2nd. I for one never mention him because #9 is too high but he will be long gone by #40, so for conversations about the Cowboy picks, I never bring him up. But I do think he will end up being very successful in the NFL (and in serious consideration for the pick I make for the Jets in the BTB community mock draft).
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
- Tom Landry
he would be perfect for the Jets
they need a pass rusher BADLY
by Archie Barberio on Apr 12, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I like him a lot.
Justin Houston actually may be my 2nd OLB prospect ahead of Robert Quinn. If we trade down into the late teens, he would be very tempting for me personally.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Houston’s Numbers:
36.5" Vertical
10’5’ Broad Jump
4.37 Short Shuttle
6.95 3 Cone
Von Miller Numbers:
37" Vertical
10’6" Broad Jump
4.06 Short Shuttle
6.70 3 Cone
Clearly, Von Miller is the more agile guy. But Houston is just as explosive and has a significant amount of weight on Miller. I really like Houston.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
thats kinda my point
people sleep on this guy when his college production is on par
he has all the numbers shown above and has the size
if we traded down to like 18 I think you would seriously have to consider him
if he some how falls to the 2nd round I would move up to get him but I dont see him falling past the Jets
even a team like the Patriots, if they get this guy I feel bad for the AFC East teams
this dude is a flat out beast
I have him ranked as my 11th rated player, it may be high but i think he is going to be a beast in the NFL
by Archie Barberio on Apr 12, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Cam Heyward will be great in a 34
but thats exactly why I have him ranked so low
you can find 34 de’s all over this draft
by Archie Barberio on Apr 12, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If you have us taking Mike Pouncey in the first, what about.......
James Carpenter OT from Alabama in the 2nd?….I heard a rumor today he is creeping up boards into the mid to high 2nd round range. Apparently Goose Gosselin thinks he could come in and be a starting RT….heard that on the Norm Hitzges show yesterday…..So perhaps with a trade down that nets Dallas at least another 2nd round pick….maybe Pouncey and Carpenter could be your LG and RT they could go along way to fixing up the Oline…..although I think I would still wanna take a flyer on another OT later just in case, maybe David Mims or Willie Smith?? What do you folks think?
well
I still say Smith should be our guy but I love Pouncey and would endorse a trade down there
I said James Carpenter was a good RT and I got laughed at on here for saying he could start for us
I really like Carpenter actually, I got a 3rd round grade on him but the Cowboys should reach for him in the 2nd if they ignore OL in the first
that wouldnt be a bad idea because you got Pouncey Carpenter as your right side of your line
David Mims Idk much about but seems like a nice prospect
im more familar with Willie Smith, I think he has starting potential I really do
he is big strong and really quick
I mocked him to us many times in the 5th round and I think whoever gets him will get a steal
by Archie Barberio on Apr 13, 2011 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I think
Carpenter is the best OT nobody mentions really
Marcus Gilbert could fall in that category as well
I watched alot of tape on Carpenter and I saw him winning battles, especially considering he was playing left tackle in the SEC
I really liked him on tape, if we go another route in the first I would love to get this guy
by Archie Barberio on Apr 13, 2011 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Who Is #51?
Where do you have Brooks Reid..our next line backer? or DeAndre McDaniel SS?
These two fit like a pair of old shoes.
Just kidding Chia (kinda), Nice Job! Putting a board together is tough. I’m using blackboards & my wife is not pleased.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
lol
he said blackboards and my wife isnt pleased hahahaha
I wish i had a big marker board in my house I would turn my kitchen into my war room lol
I would like to extend the list to 100, but that would take me like 2 hours to complele
new board coming out this thursday
for starter, I gotta drop down my guy Tyron Smith, the knee questions bother me
I got Aldon Smith climbing the board heavily into the top 15
other than that really no other movements except for Kendall Hunter makes a surprise entry
by Archie Barberio on Apr 17, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
RB class is nice
I really like the kid from Cal, Shane Vereen
man I would love to grab one of these backs this draft
thats why I wouldnt take Ingram in the first, you got so many 2nd-3rd round options
by Archie Barberio on Apr 17, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions

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