Should The Cowboys Sign Eagles Kicker David Akers?
by One.Cool.Customer on May 3, 2011 12:28 PM CDT
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I'd be happy with Akers or Forbath next year
I don’t think Buehler can be relied upon, and his strengths are minimized by the new rules anyway.
Forbath for sure.
I forgot he didn’t get picked.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
He was hurt
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Akers is not a long term solution
Just wish we could find someone reliable, instead of this seemingly revolving door at PK.
+1
That is one reason (besides how athletic he is and that he likes to tackle) I am not ready to give up on Buehler. He could prove to be the longterm solution. He has Kris Brown as competition to keep him improving and he still has Boniol (I believe) to teach him some more technique.
Do we really need Akers and Brown to compete with Buehler? Pick one as a safety blanket, stick with the young guy a bit longer to see if he improves in TC, and see if we can’t groom (shocking concept I know) the long term solution.
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kickers can play tell they're 40. If he's above average lets take him
Kickers are eerily consistent; if he’s averaged 86%, I don’t think Beuhler will ever rival that.
I think Beuhler’s long kickoffs are going to be more valuable though. Imagine a Touch Back every single time
by AustonianAggie on May 3, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I would think the opposite.
If kickoffs are moved up then Beuhler’s bionic leg becomes less of a commodity.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
if Buehler hasn't figured it out by now then don't expect things to get any better.
Kris Brown has been cut a couple times & seems to have hit a wall with his accuracy. we need someone who can be dependable in that 30-45 yard range when the pressures on but what do i know.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I live in Omaha
I wanted him bad, didnt think he would go that early though.
Henry was a great option at kicker but to bad we picked the meatball in 2009
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
Forbath is too.
Had a down year last year, but he’s been nails overall throughout his college career.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Once made 40 in a row inside of 50 yards
Awesome.
But his injury worries me.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I want a reliable Kicker on the team,
so no harm in taking a look at Akers in camp.
let the best man win.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
There’s a slight issue with that. Akers and his agent balked at receiving the transition tag this offseason, which would indicate they both think that he is among the best 5 kickers in the NFL (and they’re probably right).
Akers is a 5x Pro Bowl kicker. He’s a 4x All Pro. He had a good year last year. He isn’t going to sign with a team to “compete” for a job. If you sign him, you’re committing to him, and Buehler/Brown are goners.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/
good bye
Jerry doesn’t like to spend on kickers though
by AustonianAggie on May 3, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think I agree with that. In 2009, he liked kickers enough to have 3 of them on his 53-man roster. In 2006, he ponied up a nice chunk of money to sign Mike Vanderjagt.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/
Mike Vanderjagt
is like a dirty word around Valley Ranch now; he was the first time Jerry spent on a kicker, and he was awful.
by AustonianAggie on May 3, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
after last seasons missed FGs & extra points it might change Jerruhs mind.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
by DCNation73 on May 3, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In that case it's a no for me Jimmy,
can still remember Jerry paying vanderjerk to big money.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on May 3, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Allow me to clarify what I meant by that. I don’t think Akers will command an absurd payday. He’ll certainly get paid like the upper echelon of kickers, but even then… we’re not talking about huge money there. I think the highest paid kicker in the league is Vinatieri, and he only makes something like $2.5 mil per season, I think. I’m just saying that Akers isn’t going to go somewhere where he has to “win a job.” He’s a highly decorated player. If you sign him, you’re going to have to commit to him that he’s your guy, not just a another guy in camp that might win a roster spot.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/
after the Vandershank debacle
Jerry will never spend good money on FA kickers again
In Romo we Trust
that's what we thought about the Joey Galloway trade
then the RW trade happens
by somebodyquiet on May 3, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't Akers have huge family issues at the end of last season?
i remember hearing something about the Eagles & him having it out over family issues when he missed a kick or something like that. was it the playoffs?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
on 2nd thought
I voted “have faith in Buehler” but started thinking Akers never missed against the Cowboys so bring in Akers and move Buehler to safety.
LOL
fantastic
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
No way...
Has any one else noticed all the kickers we have recently released ended up on playoff teams…can we just develop a kicker its not like he (boooooler) doesn’t have talent…just may need time maybe he should focus more on accuracy rather than his 40 time…Akers is an upgrade but for how long until we are using another draft pick on a kicker? I don’t see him as the missing piece to a superbowl run…
I keep 2 cents
by jmartian on May 3, 2011 1:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
well it won't take to many missed kicks or exrta points
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
yes yes yes
I like Buehler, cool guy great athlete, just not a good kicker
give me Akers
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
lol Chia, " give me Akers" ,
where i come from .to give someone akers means to kick them in the Alan Balls !!.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on May 3, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on May 3, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No
OCC, can you track a random list of PK’s and see at what age their accuracy and distance performance tapers off?
Anecdotally, from watching guys like Akers and Vinatieri, I think he’s hit that point where it falls off of a cliff.
Were the Pats wrong to jettison Vinatieri and go with the younger Gostowski? Pro Bowl says no.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Funny that you should mention those two
Vinatieri had a 77.1% rate in his first season, Gostkowski a 76.9%. Both went on to Pro Bowls. There is hope for Buehler yet.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 3, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Those numbers seem to indicate yes, to me...
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on May 4, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Gostowski and Vinatieri were highly regarded collegiate kickers
Buehler was always considered UCLA’s best weapon against USC.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You got to develop your young guys
Last year was Buehler’s first year starting. And He did all right. Definitely not great. But we can’t just keep on signing old guys at the end of their career. We have to develop our own players.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Do you remember Christmas day?
I know guys miss but The most Sure kick is the Point After and we lost the game because he missed that simple thing (I think I could kick those).
He certainly has his pros *he runs fast, *willing and good tackler (esp. for a kicker), *kicks deep, *can kick long one (which end of game drives often require for a win), Cons *accuracy -which in this case feels more like dependability (some times guys miss but you feel you can count on them to win the game for you while he feels like “we have to rely on him but I don’t know if we can actually count on him or not.”)
I after reading your post i had an epiphany...
David Buehler is the Jake Locker of kickers.
by honkytonkbaseball on May 3, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
but were not picking the right ones to develope or we wouldn't have this problem
i’m all for developing players but how many years are you willing to waste on a kickoff specialist to figure what accuracy is? if ain’t happened yet then don’t expect it to…
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
lets keep buehler
He’s got one of the best legs in the NFL. He’s obviously dedicated or he wouldn’t be a gym rat let’s see what he brings to the table this year before we find a short term solution
Envy Us!!
We need a kicker.
I was actually suprised at how good Buehler’s percentage was compared to what he looked like and how I felt about his chances of making any kick. That being said, I don’t have great confindence in his kicking style to make FG’s at an above average rate.
I’m not a believer in “developing kickers”. If he can kick in college, he should be able to kick in the NFL. There should be no “adjustment period”. Hell, the hashes are closer and you play in more domes.
I don’t really care if it’s Akers or Brown or some rookie. Just get someone who can at least consistently hit from inside the 25 yard line. I don’t care if he can kick 55 yarders or just 40 yarders. It seems like every playoff game the last couple of years has come down to FG’s. I’m not comfortable with Buehler deciding a playoff game or Super Bowl for us.
by honkytonkbaseball on May 3, 2011 1:56 PM CDT reply actions
it was because he bombed on the pressure kicks
the Indy kick was about the highlight of his career
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
You'd think that
and it’s logically true, but those numbers OCC posted for Venetiari (almost certainly mispelled that) seem to indicate otherwise. Because I’m pretty sure his career average is NOT going to be in the 70’s.
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on May 4, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to get rid of Buehler until he makes a 70 yard game winning kick.
totally worth the wait
If he could just kick it straight he could do it with ease.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
No, Akers has seen his better days or Philly would have never drafted a kicker
Plus he’s an Eagle and left footed…both strikes against him IMO
In Romo we Trust
Akers left the Eagles
it wasn;t like the Eafles wanted him to leave but at the end of last season Akers had a familty emergency or health issues with someone close & it scared the relationship bc of the way the Eagles handled it.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
IMHO, we should not be having this discussion. Hennery might have been the closest to a ‘sure thing’ in this draft, and Dallas should have grabbed him in round 4. Yes, that would’ve meant that they did not take an OG and we know they need an OG. However, a kicker like Hennery (who can do triple duty: long kickoff, field goals and back-up punter) could possibly make a difference of 1 – 3 games/year compared to Buehler. And yes, I do know that you are not supposed to draft a kicker in round 4. However, better to do that than have a kicker who you can’t trust.
Did Matt Bosher get picked up?
If he didn’t we should go after him. With the new rules, his leg is plenty strong enough to produce touchbacks. And he can consistently hit from inside 45.
by Ceasaleo on May 3, 2011 6:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
who?
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on May 4, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
just another mystery that needs to be solved at Valley Ranch.
stay tuned to the next episode, it includes Dez Bryant!. as the world turns around Valley Ranch
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth! Garrett & Ryan working as a team should create a physical environment at Valley Ranch that shows up on gameday.
I've seen Beuhler hit 63 yard FGs
… in Madden.
I think he's got 75 in him.
Seriously.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
FG's?! FG's? You guys are arguing over kicking FG's?!
Implement the Point After (rule change) here and with our soon-to-be miracle Offense half are predicting, half are naysaying, we should never need a FG kicker nor one for PA’s.
Result: freed up roster spot.
Kick-offs? No worries.
Punting? You’re kidding me, right?!
A interesting idea
Sign Akers, see if Buehler can play safety or linebacker (the guy has the size) and use him also as a kickoff specialist and that alone would prolong Akers career. If Buehler can’t contribute elsewhere at least on punt coverages and such, cut him lose. Come to think of it, his rookie year, we was on the punt team.
by nospinzonefactor on May 5, 2011 6:57 AM CDT reply actions
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