Youth Movement In The Works For Cowboys O-Line?
Two days ago I received an email from my good buddy JimmyK, whom many of you may know as a writer for Bleeding Green Nation, and more recently, for his own blog called Blogging the Beast. In the mail, Jimmy sent me a big Excel file that contained the ages of every single projected O-line starter for every team in the NFL.
JimmyK does this exercise every year, and up until this year, he has taken a malicious delight in pointing out the average age of the Cowboys O-line, which has led the league for the past two years running. But as Jimmy explains on his new blog - much to his chagrin and my delight - that is no longer the case this year.
"Who’s the new team to hold the title of the oldest in the NFL now, you might ask? That honor now goes to none other than the Cowboys’ NFC East rival, the New York Giants."
"The Cowboys, with the addition of Smith, moved from the oldest in the NFL to 6th overall."
After the break, we look at just how old the Cowboys O-line is and look at some age-related line-up scenarios.
According to JimmyK's research, the Cowboys O-line will be an average of 29 years, 4 months and 5 days old on the probable first Sunday of the season on September 11. By comparison, the Giants O-line will be positively ancient (boy, that felt good to write) on opening day with an average age of 31 years, 11 months and 1 day. Also ahead of the Cowboys are the Lions, Patriots, Falcons and Bengals.The Cowboys line-up used for the age calculation consists of Free, Kosier, Gurode, Davis and Tyron Smith in for Marc Colombo. Clearly, the additions of Free and Smith to the line-up are what is driving the age down. Consider the average ages for the Cowboys O-line at the start of each of the seasons below:
2009: 31 years, 6 months, 7 days
2010: 30 years, 9 months, 14 days
2011: 29 years, 4 months, 5 days
But make no mistake about it, the interior of the Cowboys O-line is not getting any younger. So let's look at a couple of scenarios.
Let's assume for argument's sake that the Cowboys sign a guard in free agency like the 27-year old Justin Blalock from the Falcons to replace Leonard Davis, who'll be 33 on opening day. That would drop the Cowboys' average O-line age further down to 28 years, 3 months and 16 days. That would rank the Cowboys the 14th oldest O-line in the league, or just about average. Not a bad place to be considering we had the oldest line for two straight years.
Now let's assume the Cowboys start with Davis, but his play quickly deteriorates, much like it did last year. After about midseason, the Cowboys have enough confidence in their fourth round pick David Arkin and plug him in at right guard. Granted, two rookies on the right side of the line is a little scary, but this is not a completely inconceivable scenario. With the addition of the 23-year old Arkin, the average age would further drop to 27 years, 6 months and 12 days, which would rank the Cowboys 24th, or - get this - among the ten youngest O-lines in the league.
Instead of talking about a couple of old greybeards on the Cowboys' O-line all the time, we'd be talking about a young and talented O-line with some veteran presence as a stabilizing factor.
I like the sound of that.
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I really think Garrett wants a quick and light OL....
so we may see Bigg gone if at all possible
by death of the cool on Jun 16, 2011 5:24 PM CDT reply actions
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Yesssssssss..another site to add to the bookmark bar. Even though it’s pro-Eagles.
FEAR the STAR.
I can't handle another year of Leonard David of falling face first.
Or his 4.5 second reaction time to the pass rush.
FEAR the STAR.
Davis v Arkin v the Future
I hope Davis just needs to change his training focus from strength to speed. Whether his mind or body can handle it is another story.
But to think a veteran and recent all pro G has slipped so badly that a 4th round rookie can take his place is a fantasy.
You have to give Arkin 2 years to grow, just like Doug Free. Or do people think Free was ready to start as a rookie?
That means 2 more years of Davis and his hefty salary, unless Costa or Brewer is ready, which I doubt.
Blaylock would be a great pickup, but the OL already gets a too-high ratio of the team budget. With the addition of Smith, I think the Cowboys’ starting OL will be NFL’s highest paid (smith, kosier, gurode, davis, free). Plus our TE’ expense is a lot more than average. Plus our newest TBD FA purchases will need to help the defense.
I don’t think we have good options. Although I think Smith will be good, I think trading down for Castonzo and picking up a G/C with the extra pick was the best option for the offense.
On the bright side, I feel good about Romo this year .. .for no particuar reason other than he’s had a year of reflection and rededication. I want to think he’s hungrier now and will have a more Kitna-like command of the huddle.
One possibility......
I agree Arkin needs at least a year to develop, so if the salary cap let’s us…I could see us cut Bigg and sign a younger promising guard….then resign Kosier for maybe two years with the idea that Arkin will replace him. Expensive yes, but if Bigg is holding us back it may be an option.
by death of the cool on Jun 16, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Could not have stated it any better TH . . .
OCC, if Arkin becomes more than a solid back-up, I will be surprised . . . and if he starts as a rookie, we can all kiss the season goodbye (and this is from the most disgusted critic of Leonard Davis)!
I sincerely hope there is a trade (or two) up the sleeve of Cowboys management.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
JimmyK does this exercise every year, and up until this year, he has taken a malicious delight in pointing out the average age of the Cowboys O-line, which has led the league for the past two years running. But as Jimmy explains on his new blog – much to his chagrin and my delight – that is no longer the case this year.
It’s bitter-sweet. I’ve enjoyed arguing with a bunch of you here on this topic for the past 2 years. It’s drastically different now though. They still need to continue getting younger there, but I don’t see it as anywhere near as glaring a problem as it was this time last year. Don’t worry – I’ll find something else to make my go-to “thing” to bug you guys with.
Thankfully, this “Old OL” thing is the gift that keeps on giving with the Giants. And what’s better is that their OL is older than the Cowboys’ line ever was. To me it’s like at the end of the movie “An Officer and a Gentleman,” when Richard Gere, having finished his Navy training, smirks as he watches his former gunnery sargent (Louis Gossett Jr.) begin to break in a new class of recruits. You guys are like the Richard Gere character, I’m Gossett Jr, and the Giants fans are the new recruits. It’s kind of fun listening to the Giants fans give me the same arguments you guys gave me this time last year. And apologies for the move reference that maybe 10% of you have actually seen.
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by thebigham on Jun 16, 2011 7:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously you forgot.
Richard Gere kicks Louis Gossett Jr.’s ass, so “The old bitter drill sergeant” has to cheat to get out of the fight alive. Love the analogy. ;)
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Dammit, you’re right. I didn’t think that one all the way through.
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by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2011 6:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your Using Chick-Flicks as Analogies Now?
Poor fellow.
"You have to have a stronger belief in yourself than the disbelief of others."
Antonio Ramirez Romo
Yeah, and a bad one at that. From 1982.
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Hold on...
I am willing to make fun of anyone using a romantic comedy as a sports metaphor, but that is actually a pretty good movie. Sure, I just placed a bullseye on my back, but I am too big of a movie buff to call such a classic a “bad one.”
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A bullseye indeed, haha. Does this get you all choked up?
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HAHA
I actually think the scenes between Gere and Lou Gossett Jr. (like the boxing scene) were better…wait…that somehow sounds worse
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Just Kidding
But seriously, you should throw off the shackles of Iggledom, raise your arms to sky and cry out "I am a Cowboys fan! Hallelujah! Praise Landry! Turn west, fall on your knees and pray toward Arlington. Free yourself!
"You have to have a stronger belief in yourself than the disbelief of others."
Antonio Ramirez Romo
This is the most confident I've been about the o-line in awhile.
Even though one of the starters is a rookie and three of them are aging veterans.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
Good enough for Romo to be MVP
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
by thebigham on Jun 16, 2011 7:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it's possible.
If the line can buy Romo time, he has plenty of weapons to spread the ball to.
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Our stock just ticked up.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jun 16, 2011 8:48 PM CDT reply actions
Does the age thing matter that much?
I don’t hear many complaints from ATL and NE fans about their O-lines…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
This may be where OCC can help...
Because we don’t know the ages of the last 10 champs’ O-lines.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I’m not sure that the age of the O-line has anything to do with why a team won a Super Bowl. I probably could just as easily look at a correlation between height or weight of the O-line, and I’d find that the O-lines of the Super Bowl winners are all pretty close to the league average.
But because you asked, here are the ages of the O-lines (specifically, the five guys who started in the Super Bowl) on opening day of each season for the last five Super Bowl winners:
2010 Packers: 27 years, 8 months, 24 days
2009 Saints: 27 years, 3 months, 14 days
2008 Steelers: 26 years, 1 months, 11 days
2007 Giants: 27 years, 11 months, 3 days
2006 Colts: 27 years, 9 months, 19 days
The average age of the O-lines for all 2011 teams will be 28 years, 2 months, 6 days on opening day 2011. The average O-line age of the starting line-up of the winner in the Super Bowl was 27 years, 4 months, 14 days, only a 10-month difference.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 17, 2011 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions
How did they rank versus their peers in each year?
I’m starting to think average age matters more than we thought. This says you’d better not have more than 2 starting linemen with over six NFL seasons under their belt.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I think if you look inside the organization, Blings
You’ll see NE definitely wants to rebuild the line. Taking Nate Solder and Marcus Cannon this year was an indication they need to get it done. Both are gambles, but potentially bring high rewards.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Not so sure, WW
I think NE displays an ongoing commitment to finding quality O-linemenL by investing high draft picks in them (Mankins and Vollmer come to mind). Of course, that’s easier to do when the team’s most prized possession is a future HOF QB.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
In the April draft
They traded away one of their first round picks, and took an OT with the other. Actually, I was surprised to see them resign Mankins. They normally don’t want to pay big bucks for anything beyond that prized QB. One the NFL Networks pre-draft reports was on the age of the NE line, and how they would definitely go after a couple of lineman, which they did. Now neither one of these picks will start this year, that’s more of a certainty than any of their other picks, but they’re in rebuilding mode right now, as they should be.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
The point that I continually harped on over the last two years was less about the average age of the Cowboys’ OL, and more about the fact that 4 of them were getting up there simultaneously.
A basic fact of life is that as you age your body begins to break down. While (presumably) none of us here are professional athletes, those of us here in our 30’s know that our bodies aren’t the same as they were when we were in our 20’s.
Almost every team has an offensive lineman or two that’s aging. There’s a certain risk with those players. Just like the milk in your fridge, at some point, you’re going to take the cap off and it’s going to stink. Having one or two guys that are aging is a lot less risky than having four. Last year, two of the Cowboys four (Davis, Colombo) got past their expression date and started to stink.
This year, it’s the Giants that are in the same situation. They now have 4 players near experation. The odds are high that one or two of them will stink this season.
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by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2011 6:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When you look at Danny Watkins, he'll be 30 with four years of NFL service
I’m not sure it’s fair to categorically say when a player’s expiration date is without looking at how many years they’ve been starting. Some guys sit on the bench waiting their turn.
That said, is it purely coincidence that no team in the last 5 years has won a bling with an O-line with an average age of 28 or older?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
The Leonard Davis situation is one of the most interesting for Dallas this season.
It’s no secret that Davis has been under performing and that drastic improvement at age 33 is wishful thinking at best. Is it possible he pulls out a solid season? Sure. Is it very possible he continues regressing? Hell yes.
Our Forth rounder from Missouri David Arkin has good developmental potential but I think it’s very doubtful he’ll become an NFL quality starter his rookie year. Frankly, if our RG options are Davis or Arkin I’d say that it’ll be a trouble spot throughout the year.
If Davis does stink it up real bad what will be most interesting to see is how quick Garrett is with the hook. The last several years, especially the Philips era, I’ve felt this team has played veterans until the bitter end, even if there has been really good looking young talent bumping up against them (Bledsoe over Romo, Williams/Crayton over Austin, Colombo over Free, Barber over Choice). In the Davis situation though Garrett may have no choice but to keep him on the field because there’s no one ready to take the spot.
The same is true for Kosier (injury concerns and age), and Gurode (age and boneheadedness).
Do we really want to see an OL that is Free, Holland, Costa, Arkin, and Smith by the end of the year? I would be cringing every time we are on offense.
You mean to say you did'nt cringe last year?,
i know i did every time we failed to pick up a blitz or stunt and at our failure to run to the right side.
so don’t be too quick to panic at the thought of younger guys on the OL.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jun 17, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Kitna was a tough old SOB to last as long as he did.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
IF Davis implodes
First, I would not be surprised to see us go after a FA guard, in addition to trying to resign Kosier. But assuming we don’t do that, I think Costa would be ahead of Arkin. Costa has at least had a year under his belt. And the thought of 2 rookies on the right side cannot make Romo happy in the least. Of course, it was Holland who subbed for Davis last year, so that may be the choice again.
i honestly feel that we
Posssibly have our replacements for 2011 on the roster with Holland stepping in if Davis fails Costa eventually replacing Kosier or AG (if either one gets hurt or slips) and Arkin eventually taking the RG spot either Later this year or next year.
by mikemike78 on Jun 17, 2011 8:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Holland
is the primary backup at this point, and he could be the bridge to the youth movement, filling in between Davis’ decline and Arkin’s development. His upside is limited and he’s not very exciting, but he has 50 career starts, and started 2 games for us last season with a general consensus that he wasn’t horrible.
The question isn’t really whether Holland can be better than Davis, but whether he’s close enough that the big price savings would be worthwhile in terms of what it would allow us to do elsewhere. But that would also put us very thin at G again, so having Davis start for another year is probably preferable, but if they decided that they wanted to look to an alternative, Holland is likely that guy until Arkin has some time to develop.
"When you want to win a game, you have to teach. When you lose a game, you have to learn."—Tom Landry
Holland?
That guy looks like the antithesis of what JG is pushing for.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
+1
If Holland starts . . . . . well, I don’t know what I would do, but I would be pretty pissed.
I don’t have all the answers, but I do know that Holland isn’t starting caliber anymore (if he ever was). Besides, he just turned 30. Neither his age or his talent is an upgrade over Davis.
Music to my ears too OCC
Instead of talking about a couple of old greybeards on the Cowboys’ O-line all the time, we’d be talking about a young and talented O-line with some veteran presence as a stabilizing factor.
I like the sound of that.
I just want to say, don’t sleep on Arkin. It’s one thing to think about the growing pains of a rookie OT, and as good as Tyron SMith is, he will have some growing pains. But the transition seems to be a bit less for the interior lineman. I would not be shocked to see Arkin win the top backup spot at OG and then get his chance due to inury (odds are Kosier or Bigg will miss a game or two) or poor performance (better fight to keep your job Bigg).
I am still not sure that we actually sign a FA OG and as strange as it sounds, we may not need one. Garrett made it clear as interim that no one’s job is safe and competition will decide who starts. Combine that, his motivation, practice pace, and adding pads, and suddenly an OLine that looked past tready to retire suddenly seemed adequate. Now that Bigg has Arkin, Nagy, and Holland breathing down his neck and a salary he knows is much higher than warranted…we may actually see Bigg try harder than he has in the past few years and actually knock some people on their a$$. If not, well, I think Arkin will pleasantly surprise a lot of people when he gets his chance.
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
good point
I believe in Arkin as well . Very smart kid played every position on the line except center I believe. And was a team captain..its just that I don’t think he fully ready due to the level of competition he faced in college and not to mention the lack of minicamps. I just think Holland is the “stopgap” for this year.
by mikemike78 on Jun 17, 2011 8:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Holland will certainly start as the top OG backup once the lockout ends. But there are two major factors that have me thinking Arkin will win that spot sooner rather than later, perhaps even by end of training camp:
1 Garrett’s moving to a more mobile OLine and while a capable stopgap, Holland would not fit that bill and could actually struggle more than Arkin in proving a capable OG in the new OLine schemes (especially in the running game).
2 Finish the play. Once training camp starts up i think Arkin will show more in training camp and practices simply because he is younger, more mobile, and has a nasty streak in him. I think it will get him noticed early and will have Houck and Garrett considering the upside of getting Arkin on the field quickly since there is more upside in having Arkin progress faster than relying on a stopgap that may not even fit the new OLine style.
Arkin is smart, he is a leader, he has that nonstop mentality and nasty streak that help OLinemen in the NFL progress and see the field quickly. He also has the athletic ability to dominate at LT (in a small school) which should translate to a quick transition to NFL OG.
It will also be interesting to see how Nagy plays into the OG battle (not to mention guys like Bright and maybe Brewster), but perhaps most importantly…will Arkin and Holland be backing up Bigg and a resigned Kosier – or a younger FA instead.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Oh, I forgot to add
It is great that there will finally be some competition across the OLine. When was the last time that happened?! Smith vs. Colombo, Holland vs. Arkin, and dare I say it, Arkin vs. Big and Kosier, and then smaller backup battles like Nagy vs. Costa, Bright vs. Brewester. etc.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Parnell and Young vs. Colombo and each other
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
I see what you guys are saying, but I see Free and Smith as our (potential) stars on the OL with Arkin as a possiblity a few years from now.
But I see Kosier, Gurode, and Davis on their last legs. I see the rest of the guys as basically a collection of JAGs, I don’t hold much hope for them being effective, much less good OL starters for years at a time.
Age is so irrelevant
If a player is good, he’s good, regardless of age. See Ray Lewis.
Our OL sucked because the majority of players weren’t that good to begin with, not because they are aging.
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Lol, I’ve always admired your willingness to stand behind a losing argument, no matter how ridiculous.
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by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We once called a team of Swedish psychiatrists in to study him
…but after three days, they all quit.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I would say just cut all of the old guys
and try to save spots on the team for young talent.
Remember Parnell could play Tyron Smith in a movie.
Tell the old guys on the line thanks but it is time to move on.
by Jonathan Stern on Jun 20, 2011 10:46 AM CDT reply actions

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