Cowboy Killer: Episode 1: DeSean Jackson
by Archie Barberio on Jun 17, 2011 9:59 PM CDT
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Yes I know this image is burned in your heads like mine. Today I heard some Eagles fans talking up their boy DeSean Jackson and you know I cannot blame them. I talk my boys Dez and Miles up every time I get the opportunity to. What actually irritated me was when they described him as a "Cowboy Killer".
Well I got news folks, Desean Jackson is not a Cowboy Killer just yet. I believe that he is one of the best big play wide receivers in the NFL. He is one of the most dangerous players with the ball in his hands no doubt. But he has some work ahead of him before he is labeled as a Cowboy Killer.
One area he needs to work on is his hands. He drops a ton of passes and gets the TO butterfingers too often for my blood. He only had 47 catches this season, but still amassed 1,056 yards and 6 TD. His yards per catch was amazing at 22.5. But you would think he would have more than 47 catches and 8 total touchdowns.
He has some flaws in his game, but his speed is the best in the league no doubt. I am just saying this guy needs to improve in certain areas of his game in order to be called the best.
The Facts
2008 Game 1- 6 catches 110 yards
Yes he had a big game but fumbled the football before entering the redzone. He is lucky Pacman or some other Cowboy player had not picked up the ball or it would have been Dallas ball. He had a big game and displayed his big play ability, but also put on full display how much of an idiot he can be.
2008 Game 2- 2 catches 46 yards
The Cowboys got blown out of the water that game, but it was not because of DeSean Jackson. He was shutdown by Terrence Newman.
2009 Game 1- 2 catches 29 yards
This time Mike Jenkins was the starting cornerback and he did a great job on DeSean. Minus the one big game in 2010, Jenkins has shutdown DeSean Jackson and that is a fact people. Jenkins held DeSean in check for 2 catches and 29 yards, in my book that is getting shutdown.
2009 Game 2- 2 catches 36 yards
Are we seeing a pattern here? We put Mike Jenkins on this guy and he shuts him down twice in a row. Again DeSean is held without a touchdown and racks up only 36 yards on 2 catches. Mike Jenkins has shutdown capability and this proves that. This game was also a HUGE game and had the Eagles won they would have had homefield next week. Instead they came back to Dallas.
2009 Game 3- 3 catches 14 yards 1 TD
Again Mike Jenkins locked him down the entire game and this was a playoff game. Jenkins is a great corner when he is playing with his head in the game. Jackson was shutdown the entire game. He had a touchdown in garbage time aka fantasy football time. The game was out of reach and he finally scored on a bubble screen. So much for stinging our asses DeSean, Mike Jenkins stung you!
2010 Game 1- 4 catches 210 yards 1 TD
Now this is the game DeSean Jackson torched our entire secondary. He straight embarrassed us that Sunday night. I cannot sugarcoat that fellas. But my point is this, this is the only game DeSean actually lit us up badly.
Editors Note: DeSean Jackson sat out the last game against the Cowboys
Conclusion
DeSean Jackson is one of the best PLAYMAKERS in the NFL. He can make something happen anytime that ball is in his hands. My point tonight is that he is not a Cowboys Killer, at least not yet anyway. Mike Jenkins has shutdown DeSean Jackson a bunch of times. The true Cowboys Killers? They are Steve Smith (Giants) Mario Manningham and Santana Moss. Dez Bryant is a Giants Killer, in two games he has torched the Giants and I cannot wait to see him in the future.
In order for DeSean to receive the Cowboy Killer label, he must do it on a more consistent level. One big game in 3 seasons does not yet earn that title. Mike Jenkins was awful in 2010 and it showed against Jackson. If Mike Jenkins is back to his 2009 form, Jackson will get shut down again.
Team Killers tend to be big play guys. I would like to continue this series and take a look at which certain players have killed the Cowboys. Also we can use this series to debunk any myths or legends out there like I did tonight. The dawn of a new series has been formed folks.
Final Grade: DeSean IS NOT A COWBOY KILLER............URBAN LEGEND
Editors Note: I wanted us to draft DeSean Jackson in the 2008 NFL Draft...................and Jamaal Charles
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When I first read the headline, I thought, "Chia is smarter than that, there's no way DeSean is a Cowboy Killer."
And then I read the FanPost. You’re right, he’s had two explosive games, and a bunch of mediocre games against the ‘boys. The only time he’s gotten it up against us is when it didn’t matter.
by Admiral Dallas on Jun 17, 2011 10:18 PM CDT reply actions
HAHA
Took the words right out of my mouth.
And Chia:
I am just saying this guy needs to improve in certain areas of his game in order to be called the best.
That’s the money quote. DeSean has too many holes in his game for me to consider him one of the great WRs in this league. Is he dangerous? Yes. Do you have to worry about him making tough catches in traffic, breaking tackles, or threatening the middle of the field…no. In fact, One or two more concussions from big hits and you will keep seeing him gator arm passes like he did after his concussion last season.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
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oh Im not that dumb bro!
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 17, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions
Good post Chia
You know, without seeing the stats you presented, I would’ve thought of Jackson as a Cowboy Killer, off the top of my head. Thanks for enlightening.
glad you enjoyed!
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed with pretty much everything.
Heavily agree that Dez will be a right big pain in the arse for us for quite some time. But hey, Mario and S.Smith say hey!
Jason Witten also likes to kick our ass a bit too.
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 17, 2011 11:29 PM CDT reply actions
oh Witten kills everyone though
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
touche
Keep Jose Reyes, Trade Fred Wilpon
by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 18, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 19, 2011 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
that Steve Smith fella and Super Mario drive me nuts, great route runners
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Doooooood
The guy averages how many yards per catch against Dallas? OVER 23? How many guys average over 23 yards per catch period?
If you take out the 2008 game 2 where they didn’t NEED to throw the ball because of how lopsided the game was, you’ll see he has done a lot of damage to Dallas in a relatively short time.
Come on, he is the game’s premier deep threat and is an amazing talent.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Sorry, but no
The eye test, along with the stats, contradict your memory of DeSean Jackson. Some of those games weren’t lopsided at all. In fact, there was only one that was lopsided in the Eagles favor. That, and there has NEVER EVER been a rendition of the Eagles team in the past 5 years that was anything BUT pass happy, even when they had the lead.
DeSean Jackson disappeared for entire games against Dallas. I’d love to play the guy who averages 23 yards a catch if all he gets is one catch for 23 yards.
by Admiral Dallas on Jun 18, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, let's go deep (see what I did there?)
In the 44-6 drubbing of Dallas, which was one of those games where he could be called a statisitcal no-show with 2 catches for 46 yard, Dallas got drubbed 44-6, it was 27-3 at halftime. Would you say Jackson disappeared in that game? Your “pass happy” Eagles threw it a gaudy 21 times and ran it a paltry 36 times. Oh wait!
Do you want to rethink this?
there has NEVER EVER been a rendition of the Eagles team in the past 5 years that was anything BUT pass happy, even when they had the lead.
Oh and this just in. He get’s those 23-yard catches an average of 3 times a game, even more if you count the time he sat in the blowout.
Here’s what I would say about D-Jax;
In 2008, he had his best game against none other than the Dallas Cowboys.
In 2009, Dallas’ defense was playing over its proverbial head and they seemed to be shutting every team down not named the New York Giants or Minnesota Vikings.
In 2010, he had the best game of the season against the…wait for it…Dallas Cowboys.
He’s played only 6 games against us and two of his best were against us. Call him whatever you want to call him, but Dallas has not shut him down by any stretch of the imagination and given the last several games I saw Mike Jenkins play, my money would be on Jackson torching him more likely than not if the games were played today.
Of all the WR’s I want to avoid playing in a crucial game, D-Jax is right up there in the top 5.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
2 games does not a Cowboy killer make
Period, end of story, case closed.
Your lengthy analysis of two games is null, because nobody is disputing that he was good those two times.
by Admiral Dallas on Jun 18, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would have to agree with 5Blings
He is a threat anytime he is on the field and should never be taken lightly. He is fast and very fluid in and out of his breaks and there is no recovering if he gets away from you. He was good before he was drafted and has gotten better each year. Vick has the mobility and arm to capitalize on this. Not a knock on Newman or Jenkins but you cannot play off of him and expect to cover him succesfully.
Disclaimer: I had brought in 2 DB’s to work with him before he was drafted. So I may be a little slanted in my opinion of him.
That's two out of six (and really 2 out of 5)
If we were talking about two games out of twelve, then your ‘premature estimation’ (look what I did there) of Jackson’s performances would not be as erroneous as your aforementioned statement about the Eagles always leaning pass, even when leading.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No one is disputing DeSean Jackson is a deep threat, or that he's a dangerous WR.
However, most of us are in agreement, the kid hasn’t exactly lighten us up like Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Santana Moss, Steve Smith X 2, Terrell Owens, and Plaxico Burress consistently used to. 1 game his rookie season, and 1 game in 2010 he was able to get over 100 yards. And one of those games we won. As good as DeSean Jackson is, I don’t fear getting torched by him like I do now whenever we play the Giants. Those receivers are big, physical, and fast, much like ours. The Eagles receivers can be schemed out of a game completely because they are smurfs, fast, and afraid of getting hit over the middle. Also, they can’t beat press coverage, you can bully the Eagles WRs. Witness our 3 game sweep in 2009, and the Packers domination of them twice in 2010. The only NFC East team DeSean Jackson has consistently torched is the Giants.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 19, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Nicks is far more difficult to cover for a guy like Scandrick or Newman because of his size
Like I said above, 2009 was a career year for Wade and the defense unless you were the Vikes or G-Men.
But, all that aside, who would you say is the premier deep threat in the NFL right now?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
the premier deep threat in the NFL right now?
oh hands down its gotta be Roy Williams, that guy is the shit!
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol jk
most dangerous players with the ball in their hands
DeSean Jackson
Chris Johnson
Jamaal Charles
Dez Bryant
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Mike Wallace is a deep threat, Titus Young may be another
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Deep threats
In my opinion, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Roddy White, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson all are more legit deep threats…and the majority are also more legit allround WRs as well.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
I wouldn't put any of those names ahead of Jackson
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
OK
But frankly, I guy that ranked 35th in the league in targets and tied with 10 others for 25th in Rec TDs does not scare me as much as any of the guys I mentioned…whether we are talking deep threats or everydown WRs.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Pure deep threats are seldom getting targeted like guys who are more multi-faceted
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
But...
We are also talking about a #1 WR, not someone who is supposed to be only a deep threat. But in the end, I just don’t agree with your statement.
Of all the WR’s I want to avoid playing in a crucial game, D-Jax is right up there in the top 5.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Who else has gone over 200 yards against us in a single game
…that’s still active?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Moss?
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he may be the only one, and he hasn't done it since he was a VIKING!!!
Was/is he a Cowboys killer?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
lol
I know I was just answering your question though
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 21, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's my list of WRs/Deep Threats I'd take over DeSean Jackson
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Vincent Jackson
Calvin Johnson
Gregg Jennings
Roddy White
Hakeem Nicks
Mike Wallace
Sidney Rice—When the dude has a QB who can get him the ball, he’s hard to stop.
Dez Bryant
*I’m leaving some guys out, these are the first names that immediately came to mind.
*I didn’t Include Miles Austin on this list because he’s more of an intermediate route runner whose better suited for gaining yards after catch.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Is that Philly Hate talking?
Because I am fine with that, but…
Doesn’t he also have the NFL record for most TD’s covering 60 yards or more?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
5Blings seriously? I thought you're better than this
1) Did you really just link to a message board poll at footballsfuture.com where merely 212 people voted with DeSean Jackson and Mike Wallace being the top 2 choices? That’s hardly a consensus, in fact, that’s far from it. This tells me nothing other than you’re subjective opinion as to who you think is better. That message board discussion offers no analysis, but merely a cut and pastes of youtube clips and high school level, shoot from the hip arguments.
2) If you’re going to commit the fallacy of appeal to authority, at least cite an article from a more credible website than bleacherreport.com. I mean really, the guy mentioned Kenny Britt as a top 10 deep threat. Seeing that by itself should have kept me from continuing to read it. Also, that article uses mostly personal opinion, with minimal analysis, especially when he makes his claim for DeSean Jackson. I’ve read more cogent arguments in the comment section of BGN than that bleacher report article.
3) If you look below, I posted comment about how Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers was/is a better WR based off playoff performance comparisons between him and DeSean Jackson. I used nothing but statistics to base my opinion.
Sorry to be harsh, that’s not my intent. I value good debate, discussion, but that’s premised on both people using facts and statistics, and not the subjective opinions of other amature bloggers or message board polls.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Easy tiger
First, it was the only web-based evidence I could find of a reasonably random attempt to answer the question being asked here (namely, who is the best deep threat in the NFL) using input other than yours and mine. I wouldn’t use BGN content anymore than I would use BTB input when looking for less biased opinions about how good Romo is or isn’t.
What statistic would you say is the be-all and end-all of determinants when it comes to whether someone is or isn’t a great deep threat? Do you think it’s purely a statistical discussion at all?
The playoff performance citations don’t really move me because you’ve re-written the question to fit the answer. It’s not about comparing someone’s performance 8 years ago to what happened last season, is it?
So let’s regroup.
Why do you think Jackson isn’t a better deep threat than guys like Roddy White and Hakeem Nicks?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I prefer my outside wide receivers to be taller and stronger.
Why you ask?
1) Because wide receivers can’t out run the secondary on every single deep ball thrown. There are going to be times when jump balls will take place. So I want my deep threat to be able to win those battles as well.
2) Also, I want my WR to be able to fight CBs who try to jam em at the line of scrimmage. All the speed in the world can’t help you if the DB is sticking to you like white on rice.
3) Just going off of a hunch, I’d venture to guess that taller and stronger type outside WRs tend to last longer in the league.
Note: However, I do enjoy the watching Santa Moss and Steve Smith of the Panthers, when they aren’t playing against Dallas of course. They play physical themselves and I would say they have better hands overall.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I like bigger WR's too
There’s a kid headed to USC I believe who is 6-6 and 205 pounds. Soon that could become the norm. But the NFL is about cycles and as soon as the CB’s are all 6’2" and 210 pounds, they will revert to the Marks Brothers at WR.
The bigger WR is probably more likely to be able to absorb the punishment of press coverage. The best all-around WR’s are bigger guys (i.e. Andre Johnson).
In the end, though, DJ is still the best at this part of a WR’s game.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
We are in agreement here.
As much as I knock DeSean, he’s got to be the fastest WR in the league. We just happen to disagree about his being a Cowboys killer. I will agree he murdered us in that Sunday night game, but I’m of the opinion are screw ups at safety played a big part in our secondary playing like swiss cheese last year. I’ll be shocked if that level of melt down happens again this season.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
good list
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
DJAX is a one trick pony
and history shows that trick doesn’t last very long.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
I hope you're right!
The sooner he is gone the better.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
And he's an attitude problem.
D-Jax is one of those guys who is a “me” first player who thinks he is even better than he is…that’s a scary combo come contract negotiation time….tick, tick, tick….
By the way – He and Jeremy Maclin have already had run ins over who is the better all around receiver…and Maclin makes first round money…Jackson doesn’t…tick, tick, tick…..
Well said
I think (hope) it only a matter of time before he is more trouble to the Eagles than he is worth. He has all the makings of a selfish, lockerroom cancer.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Sounds like DJax
will be a raider soon :-)
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
If you're only gonna have one, his is a hell of a trick to have.
How many playoff games did Steve Smith win for some swamp yokel triggerman while being the smallest guy on the field?
Steve Smith, the Carolina Panthers WR vs DeSean Jackson playoff performance
Steve Smith
In 2003:
Steve Smith was the Panthers entire passing attack-the used that one trick midget circus all the way to losing the Super Bowl in the 4th Quarter against the Patriots.
-Against Dallas: 5 catches 135 yards 1 TD
-Against St Louis: 6 catches 163 yards1 TD
-Against Philly: 3 catches 26 yards
-Against New England: 4 catches 80 yards 1TD
http://www.nfl.com/players/stevesmith/gamelogs?id=SMI733120&season=2003
In 2005:
Watch film of the Panthers first two playoff wins versus the Giants and Bears. Only the Seahawks finally figured out how to shut down Carolina.
-Against Giants: 10 catches 84 yards 1 TD + 1 Rushing TD
-Against Chicago: 12 catches 218 yards 2 TDs
-Against Seattle: 5 catches 33 yards
http://www.nfl.com/players/stevesmith/gamelogs?id=SMI733120&season=2005
In 2008
Dude was the only guy giving a damn out there as Carolina kept getting their tails handed to em on every play following their early first quarter lead.
-Against Arizona: 2 catches 43 yards 1 TD
http://www.nfl.com/players/stevesmith/gamelogs?id=SMI733120&season=2008
DeSean Jackson
2008 NFL Playoffs
-Against the Vikings: 1 catch 34 yards 0 TDs
-Against the Giants: 4 catches 81 yards 0 TDs
-Against the Cardinals: 6 catches 92 yards 1 TD
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8826/gamelog;_ylt=AgHVh4tRgrCy5VrjmqwIeYX.uLYF?year=2008
2009 Playoffs
-Against Dallas: 3 catches 14 yards 1 TD
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8826/gamelog;_ylt=AgHVh4tRgrCy5VrjmqwIeYX.uLYF?year=2009
2010 Playoffs
-Against Green Bay: 2 catches 47 yards 0 TDs
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/17/2229922/cowboy-killer-episode-1-desean-jackson#comments
The Verdict as of now:
Steve Smith: 3 playoff appearances, 8 games, 3 100+ yard efforts, 8 TDs, all while playing with an average/mediocre qb. Panthers have 5 playoff wins, 3 playoff losses, and 1 NFC title.
DJax: 3 playoff appearances, 5 games 0 100 yard efforts, 2 TDs, all while playing with Pro Bowl caliber QBs. Eagles have 2 playoff wins and 3 playoff losses.
Give me Steve Smith over DeSean Jackson, especially when you consider that Smith played for a run first offense where the team ran for 2000+ yards, while Jackson plays on a pass heavy scrambling QB offense. Jackson plays on an offense where himself, Jeremy Maclin, Jason Avant, Brian Westbrook/LeSean McCoy, and Brent Celek are all capable of making plays in the passing game, so theoretically, he should be able to have big games. Steve Smith put those gaudy numbers up against defenses geared solely to stop him on every passing play.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I would call this a premature argument.
Jackson’s been in the league less than a third of the time Smith has. Now Jackson probably won’t top Smith’s resume but he’s going to be around for a while longer so we probably haven’t seen his best stuff in the postseason yet.
Anyhow, everybody knows Steve Smith Lite has been Santana Moss since their careers overlapped. Since both those guys are winding down, the next generation of most dangerous receivers is topped by Jackson and Wallace.
Sure, it’s valid to point out that Jackson hasn’t yet proven he’s the go-to guy Smith was on a threadbare offense but he’s a hell of a lot more capable of taking over games than Santana AKA Smith Lite was.
Jackson; 8 TD’s of over 50 yards in ‘09? Smith’s best season; 4. Seeing as how Smith ain’t playing forever, Jackson is easily the heir to the throne as the smallest guy on the field that can kill you on any given play. Wallace is right there, too.
How's it premature?
In his 3rd year in the NFL Steve Smith helped lead his team to the Super Bowl. His team was substantially less talented than the Eagles in DeSean Jackson’s 3 years in Philly, especially considering how DeSean has had a better start to his regular season career.
Don’t you think if Steve Smith was in the Eagles offense his entire career, he’d put up these record setting 50+ yard TDs???
I might be in the minority here, and that’s fine by me, but I firmly believe DeSean Jackson is more the product of the offense he’s in and the benefactor of circumstance, having pro-bowl caliber QBs to receive passes from. Let’s see how Jackson does this year if and when Mike Vick regress back to old Mike Vick.
As I said before, there’s at least 15 WRs currently in the NFL that I’d rather have than DeSean Jackson, one them being Mike Wallace.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 21, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
So I read this…
In his 3rd year in the NFL Steve Smith helped lead his team to the Super Bowl. His team was substantially less talented than the Eagles in DeSean Jackson’s 3 years in Philly, especially considering how DeSean has had a better start to his regular season career.
to mean that if their team did not have success, then the individual player must not be as good as those who played on teams that had success.
But, if I’m not mistaken, you’ve been an ardent supporter of the idea that Romo gets too much blame for Dallas’s late season and playoff failures and that they should not weigh his legacy down.
Help me with your line of thinking here.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
So NOW wide receivers?
Are suddenly the most important players in determining how far a team gets in the playoffs? Never heard that one before.
Also you sell that Panthers team offense as a whole shockingly short. For one thing, they were a very solid rushing team that featured a 1,450-yard guy that ’03 season in Stephen Davis. And since this was before Steve Smith had really arrived yet* that means teams feared or at least respected the Panthers run game more than they did Smith at that point.
(*In ’03, Smith had three 100-yard games, in Weeks 5-7; the playoffs is when he exploded. Entering that postseason, he was certainly no more feared than rookie D-Jax.)
Agree to disagree on Jackson. Also what’s the excuse for those long TD passes he’s caught from the unknown Kevin Kolb?
Jackson; system wide receiver; I’ve heard it all now. You can’t artificially manufacture speed. Mind you I hate the punk as much as anybody but I downgrading him isn’t going to make him any less of a threat the next time the Cowboys play him.
Somehow, I liked Stephen Davis a hole lot more as a Panther than I did when he played in D.C.
Strange…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I dunno, bro.
Even in the silver and swishy teal he worked the ‘Boys. 104 in the wildcard round loss to the Panthers including a 23-yard TD run; which is memorable to me to this day because it’s the one 3rd-and-long play where I just knew the other team was gonna catch the Cowboys off guard with a run call in that situation.
Of course, I also remember that regular season’s meeting between the clubs where Tuna Helper milked smoke and mirrors for all it was worth to beat the eventual Super Bowl runner-up and judging from their playoff rematch simply the better team.
just being a great deep threat
does not make you a Cowboy Killer. Consistency is the name of the game.
So I guess the only Cowboys killer you'll find is a member of the Giants since Dallas is 2-4 against them in the same time Jackson has been playing
Maybe Wade is the biggest Cowboys Killer of them allllllllllllllllllllllllll…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
HAHA
Yes, Wade could be the biggest Cowboy killer. And if memory serves, Santana Moss has done more damage against the Cowboys than DeSean…if you are still looking for a Cowboy killer WR.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
the box scores back up the assertion that Santa Moss routinely torches us.
Unlike the assertion that says DeSean Jackson is a Cowboys killer.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
When a guy gets 23 YPC against you, it's reason to be worried
VERY worried.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
we are going around in circles here. Because those numbers are inflated by 2 games out of 7.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 22, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When a guy is scared of contact, I am far less worried
Well, reports said differently Now, I guess you can claim this was his agent and not DeSean himself, but I did remember correctly that there was talk of having DeSean no be a returner after his concussion and that DeSean didn’t want to practice catching punts during some pregame warmup. Even worse, he/they wanted less routes taking him over the middle as well. HAHAHA This is football kid. If you don’t want to get hit, stay off the field HAHAHA
“It’s not about his production. It’s about his durability and his safety for the Jackson camp,” Palantonio said on NFL Live. “Another concussion and the Jackson camp is specifically worried about his marketability going forward and that’s why they want the Eagles to do a better job protecting Jackson.”
To do that, Jackson’s camp is reportedly hoping to “reduce” the number of shallow crossing routes Jackson runs, which makes him vulnerable to big hits by linebackers. A reduced role on special teams (punt returns) would be another request. (All of this sounds familiar. Jackson doesn’t want to get hurt before he gets paid.)…
When hearing Paolantonio’s report, we immediately thought about the report that Jackson refused to field punts in pregame warmups last week. Jackson also struggled on those shallow crossing routes against Chicago.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Quote box fail
This is a repost and the first paragraph is me.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Good point.
Shooting yoursefl repeatedly in the foot can be fatal.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Unless they are super bowls and the players name is
lynn swan
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
He has had one good game that the Eagles went on to win.
Sorry, but that’s not a lot of damage.
Look me in the eye. It's okay if you're scared. So am I. But we are scared for different reasons. I'm scared of what I won't become. And you're scared of what I could become. Look at me. I won't let myself end where I started. I won't let myself finish where I began. I know what is within me, even if you can't see it yet. Look me in the eyes. I have something more important than courage. I have patience. I will become what I know I am.
*against Dallas
Look me in the eye. It's okay if you're scared. So am I. But we are scared for different reasons. I'm scared of what I won't become. And you're scared of what I could become. Look at me. I won't let myself end where I started. I won't let myself finish where I began. I know what is within me, even if you can't see it yet. Look me in the eyes. I have something more important than courage. I have patience. I will become what I know I am.
5Blings, what about the 3 duds he had in 2009? His inflated numbers come from last December's show down.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I disagree obviously
and the Eagles torched us that game and he had what 2 catches?
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch the game
…why would they need to bomb us through the air when they were up 27-3 at half and running the ball just fine?
Do you need me to show you stats of games where our own WR’s saw their production go down sharply when Barber was closing out games? I hope not.
The problem here Chia, is that Dallas hasn’t had a game like that, where we were destroying our opponent at the half, in quite some time.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I agree
D Jax is not a Cowboys Killer…. yet. He definately can be, but has dissappeared in a few big games against us. He’s still young and obviously talented, so he can still earn the Cowboys Killer moniker for his career, but if Jenkins returns to ’09 form Jackson could struggle again. 2011 could be the year D Jax becomes a Cowboys Killer or a Cowboy doormat.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
D.Jax is still young......
Jackson is still young in his pro game yet, only time will tell if his maturity level grows and he becomes a killer, but too many other variables have to come to play as well , but he cetainly has the talent if he puts it all together. but then… i hope he doesnt loil.
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
I really hate the stupid term “cowboy killer”. That’s about all i have to say about that.
by DavidLaFleur on Jun 18, 2011 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks rat
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
if he could catch
he would be a premier slot receiver due to YAC
great post
as always you have it right! D Jax is not yet a killer. and unfortunalty S Moss is as well as those other 2 jokers grrrr(cant even say their names)! would be intrested in seeing the stats as to why though I know I’ve heard it over and over but why is S Moss so good against us?
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
thanks
yes now Santana Bandanna is a Cowboys Killer
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Never thought of him as a Cowboys Killer. That's on an Emo Eagles' fan Pipe Dream
DeSean Jackson, like you said can be one of the biggest idiots, I think he and Allan Ball both scored very low, in the single digits, on the wonderlic. Case and point regarding Jackson; in 2009 after returning from a groin injury, he decides to do a flip into the endzone and landing in splits. If anything, he’s a Giants killer. But I’m too lazy to look it up.
I’ve got some other names of Cowboys Killers: Randy Moss; Plaxico Burress; T.O. (in more ways than you can imagine); Steve Smith of the Panthers. Of course, no one can forget Jerry Rice.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I looked it up
he has torched the Giants
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly it's our hate for him that makes him bigger than what he really is...
Kinda like how I hated Brandon Jacobs because of how he used to abuse our MLBs. But low and behold, we have held him in check the last few games haven’t we?
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
good point
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to say thank you for the rec's
this post literally took me 5 minutes to put together once I had the stats and picture done
crazy, a post like my other one I spent a solid hour on and got 1 rec
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 18, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
The only negative about Desean
is his size/durability. If he can avoid killer tackles with his agility, he’ll continue to light up in games. My fear with drafting him was that at this level he would constantly be banged up and ultimately be injured to the extent that his speed/effectiveness would suffer. Watched his career at Cal and was always amazed by him, but always shuddered when he took a hit.
Good post
He’s also an arrogant douche, which only adds to my hatred for him being an Eagle.
Don't play F A G! Do not play F A G! Don't- (BLAST F). OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU (BLAST A) DOING?! I SAID NOT TO (BLAST G)!
yeah I cant stand the guy
but I love what he does off the field
he went and saw his boys he grew up with who are in prison, he takes care of kids who are bullied spends the day with them takes them shopping etc
great guy off the field, just annoying as hell on it
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that I see this:
he takes care of kids who are bullied spends the day with them takes them shopping etc
I agree with this:
great guy off the field, just annoying as hell on it
Don't play F A G! Do not play F A G! Don't- (BLAST F). OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU (BLAST A) DOING?! I SAID NOT TO (BLAST G)!
by DFWTrojanTuba on Jun 20, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He is not a bad guy
but he is a buffoon. He does the same stupid stuff everytime BEFORE he crosses the goal line. At least TO and Chad did it AFTER they scored
While on the topic of butterfingers.
I’m more concerned with our very own Austin coming down with one too many cases of “old Miles Austin hands” for my taste last season. He’s going to have to cut that completely out if he wants to truly be put in a category with Johnson and Fitzgerald as the best of the best.
4 for 210 isn't mass murder?
Also who do you trust to be a more consistent player going forward; DeSean or Mike Jenkins? Me; I go by most recent history. Gimp safety support or not, Jenkins is the chump from ‘10 until proven otherwise. Now, if the season ever formally starts, we’ll see what kind of upgrades the Cowboys undergo at safety before we can all start formally crapping our pants at the prospect of this assclown lighting up the D for 250.
Also, as much of a monster as Nicks is, we are puffing him up a bit by not pointing out his poor route in the 2nd Cowboys-Giants meeting was what broke big blew’s back. In other words, his game still has a few flaws to it before we call him a complete package. Which means he’s going to be even scarier to stop when he puts it all together.
But still if we pretend DeSean is less dangerous for occasional butterfingers, let’s pretend the same for Nicks because he’s not a complete route runner yet and a few of Eli’s league leading picks bounced off his fingers too.
Yo did not just say "big blew"
LMAO
Where do you come up with this stuff, MM?
Anyway, I think Nicks is a top 5 talent with Calvin, Andre (the new Brothers Johnson), Lloyd and Marshall (the new Brothers Brandon…oh now see what I did there?).
But Jackson is the premier deep threat. Wallace would be a distant second.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Brandon Lloyd?
That guy is the next Roy Williams. High targets and therefore high yards in one single season. In the seven years before last year he never had a year with more than 733 yards. I would expect his numbers to come way back to earth next year. And as impressive as Nicks is, how can Fitzgerald not be on that list ahead of him? It’s not his fault he had to deal with absolutely terrible QBs.
If I had to put together a top five list, it would go like this (in no particular order): Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Roddy White, and Greg Jennings. As long as Tony stays healthy this year, I think Miles will make quite a case this year to join that group considering his 2009 season and what he was doing before Tony went down.
Look me in the eye. It's okay if you're scared. So am I. But we are scared for different reasons. I'm scared of what I won't become. And you're scared of what I could become. Look at me. I won't let myself end where I started. I won't let myself finish where I began. I know what is within me, even if you can't see it yet. Look me in the eyes. I have something more important than courage. I have patience. I will become what I know I am.
No on Miles
Too many places to throw the ball to.
In think Lloyd is acrobatic and makes some amazing grabs. He doesn’t have rW’s body type, just smooth athleticism.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Nice work Chia
Love your posts buddy. I agree 100% Jackson is a hella football player but has a ways to go before being a Cowboys killer. I think you can ever put a * next to his 200+yard game last year because that was the absolute worst Dallas secondary ever. If he puts up 200 again I will say he is a Cowboys killer but by no mean can we say that. Dez Bryant Green Bay killer but he had a pretty good game against them. It’s still too soon to call Dez a Giants killer even though he has 3 tds in 2 games against them.
thanks
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 20, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just got around to reading your post.
Good idea for a series, but can you address the main issue, namely:
How do we kill the Cowboys killers?
(Hopefully, the answer is to put the Big Robowski on them.)
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
lol
for Jackson its actually quite easy, if Mike Jenkins plays like he did in 2009, he gets shutdown
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 21, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it is all about your safety play with him.
As bad as Ken Hamlin was, he could at least manage to never blow a ton of coverages.
Look me in the eye. It's okay if you're scared. So am I. But we are scared for different reasons. I'm scared of what I won't become. And you're scared of what I could become. Look at me. I won't let myself end where I started. I won't let myself finish where I began. I know what is within me, even if you can't see it yet. Look me in the eyes. I have something more important than courage. I have patience. I will become what I know I am.
very true
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 23, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Press coverage all day every day
Bully that kid, get in his face and don’t play off coverage. Hit him, jam him for the first 5 yards, keep trying to knock his a$$ out of bounds. Devote a safety to help over the top, if there’s a jump ball one guy go for the ball, and the other guy go for the body blow. You might get flagged sometimes but little dudes who can’t sustain physical poundings eventually try to avoid getting hit first instead securing the football.
Bottom line, you can’t merely be a spectator when he’s on the field.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jun 21, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yep.
I think that about sums it up. Jackson’s skillset is small enough to where he can be negated without too much additional attention. I honestly feel like as a player he’s regressed since his ’08 season despite the increase in stats.
by UnitedStateOfTX on Jun 22, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to improve height, all he can feasibly do is improve strength, but there's a risk that any added bulk will diminsih his speed and quickness.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
What is he without the speed and quickness?
3rd best receiver on the Eagles team.
by UnitedStateOfTX on Jun 23, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Marion Barber?
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 24, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah you gotta press him
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 22, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson is dangerous
But he is a one trick pony. He is not big and physical enough to fight off bigger corners. He wont go across the middle. He wont make those receptions to move the chains. All you have to do is put a safety over the top and he is ineffective. He has what it takes to kill us, but he hasnt like Moss over the years. That guy burns us all the time, especially in Dallas.
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