Romo is top playoff quarterback in NFC East and 3rd best in NFC
by ScarletO on Jul 12, 2011 8:38 PM CDT
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"The Earth is flat!"
"Women cannot run Marathons (26.2 miles): they would collapse and die."
"Romo stinks in the playoffs!"
Women have proved the pundits wrong in regards of withstanding the physical rigors of running Marathons. It is quite possible that in the upcoming years, women marathoners will post faster times than the men: just look at the statistics and how they mark the radpid improvement in women's Marathon times.
While I do not pretend to compare myself with Galileo, I cannot help but imagine the resistance he received to his revolutionary finding is similar, albeit more significant than the resistance encountered to supporting Romo as the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. It seems Tony receives more scrutiny than any of his contemporaries.
Hopefully Romo will win a Super Bowl in the near future to mute the critics. Until then, a quick glance at the statistics makes a fairly strong case for Romo to remain “the guy” in Dallas.
Let me present the case of Phillip Rivers. Rivers was a top 5 selection in the NFL draft the year Romo went undrafted. Phillip Rivers has a playoff record of 3-4, with a career playoff quarterback rating of 79.230. Rivers reached the AFC Championship game in 2007.
Rivers has only been sacked an average of 2.14 times per game in his playoff appearances. Many rate Rivers as a better quarterback than Tony, but Romo seems to perform slightly better in the playoffs according to their comparative career playoff quarterback rating.
Tony is 1-3 in the playoffs, but sports a quarterback rating of 80.849. Romo has been betrayed by his offensive line in his playoff appearances, as he has been sacked an average of 3.0 times per game: which is strikingly high for such a mobile quarterback.
Eli Manning was the first overall selection in that same draft that produced Philip Rivers. Eli has won a Super Bowl despite having a career playoff quarterback rating of 77.580. The younger Manning also is 4-3 in the playoffs, and has only been sacked an average of 2.0 times per playoff start.
Looking at the rest of the NFC East quarterbacks, it is evident that Romo is a little better. Michael Vick has a career playoff record of 2-3 with a playoff quarterback rating of 77.645. Vick also has only been sacked an average of 2.2 times per playoff game. Vick has reached a NFC Championship game, where he lost to McNabb and the Eagles.
Donovan McNabb, who was the quarterback in Philadelphia from 1999 to 2009 before leading the Redskins in 2010, has a career playoff record of 9-7. He was sacked an average of 2.0 times per playoff game, and is ranked just behind Romo with a 80.015 career playoff quarterback rating. McNabb has also been to four NFC Championship games, winning one, and losing the corresponding Super Bowl.
How does Romo compare to Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger: winners of 24 of 32 playoff games and a combined 5 Super Bowl wins (with an additional two Super Bowl losses). Brady has a career playoff quarterback rating of 85.704, while Roethlisberger has a career playoff quarterback rating of 84.525.
How close is Romo? Well if Crayton would have finished his route against the Giants with just seconds remaining in the game (2007) and caught Tony’s pass for a touchdown, Romo’s career playoff quarterback rating jumps to 88.619.
That is how close these ratings are: just one broken pattern from a receiver away from having a better rating than “Tom Terrific” and “Big Ben”. That shows how close all these quarterbacks are, yet none receive the criticism aimed at Romo for their playoff performance.
By the way, Ben averages getting sacked 2.38 times per playoff, while Tom goes down 1.63 times a playoff game. Compare that to Tony getting sacked 3.0 times per playoff game.
Only Matt Ryan gets sacked more in playoff games than Romo. Is it any wonder that his career playoff quarterback rating is just 71.226, and that he has a 0-2 career playoff record. Looks like trading a bunch of picks for a wide receiver may not address the Falcons' real needs.
Joe Flacco is on the bottom of the list of Romo contemporaries. His career playoff quarterback rating is 61.639. Joe’s career playoff record is 4-3, which brings up the fact that quarterback performance is not necessarily a good indicator of playoff success. Eli won a Super Bowl and has a career playoff quarterback rating of 77.580. In Tom Brady’s first season as the starter, his playoff quarterback rating was 77.3.
Despite boasting a career playoff quarterback rating of 90.386, Peyton Manning actually had a 70.5 playoff quarterback rating the season the Colts won the Super Bowl (2006). While Manning is arguably the quarterback that means the most to the success of their respective team, it is obvious that the playoff success of the Colts was not intimately linked to Peyton’s performance.
In other words, judging a quarterback solely by his playoff record is extremely flawed. Mark Sanchez has a higher career playoff quarterback rating than Peyton Manning, but has not led his Jets to a Super Bowl yet. “Sanchize” has a career playoff quarterback rating of 94.307. Of note is that Mark is only sacked .667 times a game in the playoffs. Peyton gets sacked about 1.47 times a playoff game.
Not getting sacked, however, does not necessarily lead to better quarterback playoff performance, but it is a strong indicator. Despite only getting sacked 1.86 times per playoff game, Flacco has an abysmal career playoff quarterback rating. Aaron Rodgers has the highest career playoff quarterback rating, 112.644, but is third on the list in sacks per playoff game. Only Ryan (4 times per playoff game) and Romo (3 times per playoff game) have gotten sacked more times per playoff game than Rodgers (2.6 times per playoff game).
Drew Brees has the second best career playoff quarterback rating, 101.966. Brees gets sacked an average of 1.57 times per playoff game and is 4-3 in the playoffs. The interesting part of Drew’s career playoff quarterback rating, however, is that from Sunday January 10th, 2009, to Friday January 15th, 2009, Brees was 1-2 in the playoffs, and so was Tony Romo. Romo had a career playoff quarterback rating of 86.0 before the Vikings game. Brees had a 92.7 career playoff quarterback rating at that time.
Brees was getting sacked in playoff games at an alarming rate: 2.67 times per playoff game. Since that time, Drew has only been sacked 3 times in 4 playoff games (.75 times per playoff game), and has posted a playoff quarterback rating of 108.98 with 10 touchdown passes, zero interceptions, and a 3-1 record in the playoffs.
The switch seems to have gone on for Brees in his ninth season. In a weird twist of fate, Peyton Manning also won his Super Bowl in his ninth season.
By the way, Tony Romo is entering his ninth season with the Dallas Cowboys.
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The thing with Romo
is that it’s a small sample to analyze. So one pass can make for a 10% swing in QB rating. It’s a big “if”, but if Crayton runs that route, my how the legend of Rick Romo grows!
Here’s hoping the sample of work doubles this year. 4-3 would be mighty fine.
10% swing
one pass …. that shows how QB rating is an extremly overrated stat.
Romo real issue not playoffs or ratings
Romo has not yet taken control of this team IE PMann, Brady, Brees, Akiman and even Rivers would get into the faces of all players for lack of focus, poor play, and effort…
It sounds like these player run practices Romo is making strides in that direction. He and Ware need to be more vocal leaders let the team know jump on board and I will take you to the Big Show the only one that matters the Super Bowl. He has the talent but can he lead them to the elite level??? I hope Romo and Ware play with chips on thier shoulders…
10% swing, one pass ….
merely shows that the sample size is very small. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether passer rating is a good or bad stat.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 13, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry
passer rating is a bad stat. The style of offense can dictate passer rating more than anything else. Short quick dump offs to RB’s and simply passing more near the goalline can increase passer rating it’s not an accurate measure on how good a QB can be and besides do you think Romo is the only QB who has had a WR drop a pass in the playoffs?
not true at all...qb rating measures the four most important stats of a qb
completion % (most important), yards per attempt, TD% and INT%…you do well in those categories, you’re going to be a very productive qb and the qb rating measures that very effectively
In Romo we Trust
yeah
short dump off passes = high comp %, which in turn helps yds per attempt since there are less incompletions (yds per attempt also can benefit from WR’s who are good after the catch which can only partially be atributed to the QB), and passing near the goalline = more TD’s, take dallas in the early 90’s Aikman’s rating would of been higher had Emmitt not been so good near the goalline.
kind of like what Montana did his whole career
and we all know that dude really sucked, huh?
In Romo we Trust
mighty, mighty fine. I’d take 5-3, also.
Give me UR calls! Give me highstepping by CBs and PRs entering the endzone! Give me screaming on the sidelines and headbutting! Give me Fortitude, Solidarity and VIOLENCE! Bring me CHAMPIONSHIPS!
Bring me Ridolin LOL! - B'nSB
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 12, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I could be wrong
but it sounds like your placing a premium on QB rating? Also you state judging a QB solely by his playoff record is flawed? I would have to say any judgement on a QB by his rating is the big flaw. Won Loss record is what counts …. period. Sorry but that is the main way QB’s are judged and rightfully so. I like Romo and I do believe he can lead this team to a SB victory but under no circumstances can you say he is a better playoff Qb than Manning. However I will drink to your 9 year theory.
+9
The only playoff statistic with any meaning is W-L. Get to the SB, get a W, and you are a successful playoff quarterback.
Hadn’t heard the 9 year thing before (or forgot it if I did). Hmm.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
The only playoff statistic with any meaning is W-L.
QB’s don’t have W-L records, teams do.
Go back and look at the Super Bowl years of Manning, Brady, and Brees and see how good their defenses were compared to non-Super Bowl years.
"Be great today" - Jason Garrett
technically you are correct
but this post is comparing QB’s and their sucess in the playoffs and the biggest factor is W’s and L’s and whether you like it or not those W’s and L’s stay with the QB.
I definitely don't like it
Just because the media uses it doesn’t mean I have to accept it.
I remember when the Giants won the Super Bowl and I actually read some things that said maybe Eli is as good as big bro. Cause that DL eating Tom Brady for dinner had NOTHING to do with that win, neither did Tyree bailing Eli out of a pass into triple coverage.
Behind every great Super Bowl champion is a great defense.
"Be great today" - Jason Garrett
Agreed
whoever said Eli is as good as Peyton is snorting the good stuff, and that’s coming from a Giants fan and known Eli supporter.
However, like the peeps above me state, I think that QB rating is one portion of the QB’s duties on the field. He’s the one thats there to maintain tempo, he’s the one that audibles, and he’s the one that ultimately leads the offense and team. That’s why QBs are so heralded in the league, and why so many teams gamble with QBs in the draft. By that very definition, Eli Manning is a franchise QB.
I’d argue that Tony Romo is also one, because while he of course plays a part in the Cowboys not having recent playoff success, he’s a major part in why they compete year in and year out (last year notwithstanding)
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He plays the part of the playoff success?
I get the botch snap, but the Giants game if Crayton catches that pass the Boys are winning. He needed to force the ball in on that INT in the endzone by RW Mcquarters. Then the 2009 year we won the first game, but the o-line sucked vs. the Vikings.
Romo isn’t the cause of all the bad playoff games. Just one really and he shouldn’t of been in that situation.
Well if you're the quarterback of a team, you are a big reason
for, better or worse, fair or unfair, the decision. That’s why I said he played a part not the cause
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 14, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
your right
you dont have to accept it …. but it is the way it is. I havent accepted a US president in the past 23 years …. but they were still presidents.
it's not the way it is
If somebody told you to jump off a bridge, you going to do it??
In Romo we Trust
ok DAD!!!
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 13, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jul 13, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
AWESOME!
Way to go Ironman you just made my night!!!!!!!! that’s freakin hilarious!
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 13, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and thanks!
(Bows) I’ll be here all night!
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 13, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
is that for the Comment?
Or for the new sig?……
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 13, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hadn't noticed
Now it’s for both! I like it very much indeed so true it almost hurts;)
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 13, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry Terry
but evaluating the most important position in sports by wins and loses isn’t even remotely stupid. Bringing up the everyone is doing it so are you going to do it arguement was borderline insane and reeks of desperation.
It's very stupid
because it’s really stupid to believe one player can win or lose games in a team sport, especially one which is considered the ultimate team sport where each player relies so heavily on their teammates production…it defies all logic and reality.
Believing it to be true is what is insane.
In Romo we Trust
Like any other position, by production
completion %, yards per attempt, TDs, INTs…how many scoring drives they lead….things they can control….they can’t control the other side of the ball
In Romo we Trust
But you're saying a guy like Ken Anderson is better than a guy like Elway?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
not necessarily better
but Anderson was clearly one of the best qbs to have ever played and certainly ranks up there with guys like Elway.
In Romo we Trust
Thanks, ScarletO.
One of my clientele base is a group of women who do trail marathons and ultra-marathons. I can attest to them being in terrific shape and being tougher mentally than most men. However, last year’s Boston Marathon winner was a man from Kenya that averaged well under seven minutes a mile. Even my best clients (who won thier age groups in Okinawa marathon,) are WELL above that time…
I have total faith in Romo. He has done a great job of progressively lowering miscues. He still misses some throws, but he only has one set of eyes, you know? Give him a good D and a dependable O-line and watch him work…
Give me UR calls! Give me highstepping by CBs and PRs entering the endzone! Give me screaming on the sidelines and headbutting! Give me Fortitude, Solidarity and VIOLENCE! Bring me CHAMPIONSHIPS!
Bring me Ridolin LOL! - B'nSB
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 12, 2011 11:50 PM CDT reply actions
Admit it
You never really read the post, you stopped after the title.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I can only
come to the conclusion Terry and scarlet o are one in the same.
Rivers IS a better QB
…at least up to this point.
He just is.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
In the regular season maybe...when the Chargers play cream puffs.
Philip Rivers has a career quarterback rating of 97.2. That is very good.
Tony Romo has a career quarterback rating of 94.9. That is also quite good.
As stated above, Romo has a slightly better quarterback rating during the post season than Rivers: 80.85 to 79.23. That would suggest that Rivers bolsters his numbers by getting to play the Broncos, Chiefs, and Raiders twice a season. Funny that this does not get mentioned much…
In 2009, the Chiefs had the worst pass defense in the NFL. The Raiders have been a wreck since 2002. Despite having Champ Bailey, the Denver defense has been weak with the exception of the first six games of 2009.
Dallas has had to face the crazy blitzes of the great Eagles defensive coordinator former Jim Johnson. The sack happy Giants that won the Super Bowl in 2007 (I still try to forget that) play Dallas twice a year. Despite stinking it up as of late, the Redskins actually had a top 10 defense before 2010.
One problem with all of that
In 2009, the Cowboys and Chargers both played Denver, KC, Philadelphia, NYG, Oakland, and Washington. Rivers did better against all of them except Oakland.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 14, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Rivers is a better QB than Romo.
He’s the 4th best QB in the NFL
Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Rivers
Brees
Here is where Romo could go…
So A QB who's never even been to the superbowl
Is better than a qb who’s won one and a qb that won 2?
Rivers is a qb that has like….6 foot 6 receivers at every position
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
qbs don't win games or SBs...thats a team accomplishment
Do you evaluate Ware and Witten on wins and loses?? No, qbs are no different, just one player among many that form a team and it’s the team that wins or loses.
In Romo we Trust
QBs are very different.
Do you truly believe that Roy Williams is equally important to this team as Tony Romo? Or that Anthony Spencer is? Alan Ball?
The QB is the most important player on the team, is the field general, and is rightly judged on wins and losses over stats.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 15, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is
That alot of those losses were Defensive losses. He can only do so much on offense when the D just gets run over thats not really his fault due to him not being on the playing field at that point. I think yes those last 2 are POSITIONS are very important to this team and can PARTIALLY if not mostly be blamed for several losses over Romo being blamed for every one.
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 15, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what this is...
Defensive losses
Can you define it?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I count a defensive loss
As when the play or lack there of rather of the Defense costs us the game say when your offense leads an amazing drive down the field, converting third downs giving the Defense time to rest, and everything goes right and they score for the lead. Then they kickoff and the opposing team goes from the 20 all the way down the field to score in 5 or less plays. I would consider that a Defensive loss. MInd you this is just my views I’m saying that it’s a team sport and if we’re gonna count wins and losses on the QB we should include the other side of the field if he plays great but they stink it up well thats a Defensive loss to me.
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 17, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
So how many losses did the offense ear, in your opinion, in 2009 when Dallas held the opposing offense
Do you assign the Chargers, Broncos and Packers losses to the offense?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I assign defensive losses to all teams
if we’re gonna count wins and losses on the QB we should include the other side of the field if he plays great but they stink it up well thats a Defensive loss to me.
that goes for every team yes. Now to answer your first Q I assign 3 out of the 5 losses during the regular season to the Offense: DEN, GRB, and SND all games that we either didnt score (GRB) or we lost close ones where a touchdown or FG would’ve got us at least into OT. I also dont mind giving the D wins too. say the WAS game midseason in 09 we won 7-6 thats a D win in my book. Not all wins are a QBs yet neither are the losses.
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 22, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
So when Romo throws a pick 6, you're pinning that on the defense?
Seems hypocritical to me.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
no, but he rarely ever does that
and he certainly never did it in the playoffs but defense certainly gave up their fair share of big plays and points in the playoffs
In Romo we Trust
In the 3 Cowboys playoff losses in the Romo era, the D gave up 21, 21, and 34. So that’s one on the defense by your criteria, although I think that loss was a complete breakdown on both sides of the ball.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 19, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
at least you admit that much
although you have to admit as a qb, Romo played very well in the Seattle game considering Parcells was calling a conservative game plan, if Garrett was the OC back, I think we easily win that game.
As far as the GMen game, as you indicated the entire team didn’t play well, but the defense gave up some big drives and big plays in that game that was the difference in the game.
In Romo we Trust
Thats ridiculous
QB is one player, he can’t control what the defense does and therefore shouldn’t be judged on what they do.
They are the field general of the offense, thats it
In Romo we Trust
So they should be rated on just what the offense does?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Rec'd
Very nicely written ScarletO! I strongly believe that Romo can lift this team to the playoffs and by that time the Defense will have completely evolved into it’s own beast and we could easily take it to the SB. One of the keys being that evolving Defense OC’s wont be able to plan our Defense anymore and it will give us a strong advantage midseason through the post season.We have more then enough weapons on Offense to keep our heads above the water during the early stages with Air Garrett’s scheme and a better Oline we’ll be fine.
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
ScarletO - High Praise
Romo gets way too much blame as a “non-winner.”
The Seattle game easily goes our way if not for the special teams breakdown – not Romo’s QB ability.
The Giants game at home – after a TWENTY play drive that Romo leads for a lead grabbing TD – the defense somehow allows NYG right back in it within 4-5 plays…
Turn those two games around and Romo is suddenly 3-1 with two open ended games upcoming…
Yet the national media and football fans will tell you “Dallas can’t win because of Romo”
Not accurate.
+9
Very well said Rome! I couldnt agree more!
Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad
by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 13, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo just needs a good defense
just like every other qb who owns a ring…why that fact is always overlooked I’ll never know
In Romo we Trust
Eli, Big Ben....
If Romo were on those two teams on those years he’d have a ring too. And I’m saying the Jets the past two years. If the Jets had Romo they win the SB one of the last two seasons.
Not so sure about that...
The Cowboys continuously have one of the most talented rosters year in and year out…..especially the last five years or so.
Every year, through every major media outlet, you guys are preseason favorites for the superbowl and always sent the most probowlers….whatever the Cowboys’ problems were, it surely was not lack of talent.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 14, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd contend that you guys have had a strong OL in the past as well
Marc Colombo, Andre Gurode, Flozell Adams and friends in their prime formed one of the strongest OLs in the league for quite a bit of time.
On defense, Ware and Ratliff, with an overachieving secondary that you guys had a few years ago was definitely pretty strong.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 14, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
strong OL....LMAO...you don't watch the Boys play much do you?
You really have no clue dude, none whatsoever
In Romo we Trust
Sigh
Well, I AM a Giants fan, but I’ve watched at least 10 Cowboys games every year for the past 9 or 10 years…and I’m pretty sure you guys had a good enough OL back from 2007-2009
As per Football Outsiders, a pretty reputable source of analysis and stats:
2007: 14th in run blocking, 7th in pass protection
2008: 14th in run blocking, 12th in pass protection
2009: 3rd in run blocking, 14th in pass protection
That all averages around top 10-11 OL over that time. Now lets look at sacks….
In 2007, Romo was sacked 24 times. That’s less than 15 other quarterbacks INCLUDING Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning.
In 2008, Romo was sacked only 20 times. Only 7 QBs were sacked less than Romo that season…
In 2009, Romo was sacked 34 times, which marked the decline of the OL, and was 20th in this regard.
The OL wasn’t elite, but I’m not so sure it was a weak point for you guys except in the latter half of 2009 into 2010.
But what do I know, I don’t have a clue.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 15, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
You're wasting your keystrokes
Most Romo fans on this board won’t admit that the line wasn’t terrible, because it would mean that Romo sometimes needs to play better and improve in areas.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 15, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It was better during that time period but it certainly wasn't strong by any means
Last year it was pretty bad, but the real lack of talent on this team is on defense. You have two really good players, Ware and Rat, and thats it.
Everyone is slightly above average to bad.
The offense isn’t the reason the Cowboys lose.
In Romo we Trust
So in 2009, when Dallas kept teams from scoring, why didn't we win more?
Blame it all on Buehler?
Nobody chirped when Winnie got a 2-year extension from Jerry.
You keep living in the past thinking Romo can win a bling if he has a to 3 O-line, All-Pro’s at every skill position and a dominant defense.
Since he hasn’t had all of that, you continue to put the blame squarely on everyone BUT him.
You’re entitled to that kind of myopia.
The sad part is that, every year, the SB winning QB is having to overcome more and more adversity to win it all. Romo won’t be anything other than Danny White until he proves he can do the same.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
In 2009 we won the division and our first playoff game in 16 years
Our loss in the playoffs was on the defense, they were horrible.
I got news for you bling, no qb ever won a SB without a really good defense….never happened and it never will
In Romo we Trust
I disagree
Terry Bradshaw beat Dallas even though his defense gave up 31 points.
I can say that with confidence that you’ll agree since you’ve already made it clear that giving up 21 points makes for a defense that isn’t good.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
you're ridiculous bling if you're calling out the greatest defense of all time
Half of those 31 points were scored after the game was already over in garbage time.
Extremely weak argument bling, even for you…try again.
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what those stats don't show is when the line truly let the team down
They are avgerages but I bet if you look the ol was on a steady decline every year come nov. Till they would collapse week 15,16,17.
Plus sacks aren’t a good measure because Romo escapes alot more then he should
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Yes he does!!!
That man can evade and elude defenders crazy good!
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 15, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't it a weighted average of these metrics?
Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I don't think it is
From what I can ascertain, throwing more INTs hurts you more than throwing TDs and compl % is weighted slightly greater than yards per attempt
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The talent lies on offense, not defense
and Romo doesn’t play on that side of the ball
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Total Defense Rankings
2007 – 9th ranked defense overall
2008 – 8th ranked defense overall
2009 – 8th ranked defense overall
And all three years, I believe you guys allowed less points per game than the Giants, and only about 3 or 4 more points per game than the Steelers.
You guys have been talented on defense as well, and it compares to the NY Giants over those 3 years…except in 2009, the Giants were 13th.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 14, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, the whole idea that defense wins championships is flawed.
Here is the historical data I posted a while back:
Pardon me...
Here is the historical data I posted a week ago or so:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/7/7/2265305/the-cowboys-as-the-unsexy-pick
New Orleans and Indianapolis are the poster children for this fact. I am looking into other factors. For now, I believe that one dominant unit can carry a team to a championship.
I also believe that a dominant unit and a lack of critical mistakes (turnovers, big plays, penatlies, and so forth) or fabricating big plays (takeaways, big gains, sacks, and so forth) from the other unit is key. Dallas has never had a dominant defense, or defense capable of shutting down big plays. In the Cowboys lone playoff win over the Eagles under Romo, remember the defense gave up a long Maclin touchdown reception from Vick (included in the QB rankings above).
In losses to the Giants (still trying to forget that) and the Vikings, the defense gave up several huge plays that led to touchdowns. In addition, in both of those games, the offenseive line completely collpased, accounting for more than 75% of the sacks Romo has suffered in the playoffs.
I don't disagree with you at all.
I’m just having a friendly debate with Jeterian and co. that say that Romo would have won a championship had he been with the 2007/2008 NY Giants or 2009/2010 Pittsburgh Steelers.
My counter is that the Cowboys are just as talented, if not more, than those teams in the past three years.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 14, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Dallas has been inconsistent, which has been a huge problem.
I tend to believe that a good part of that is due to poor coaching. Just look at what Wade did last season: after Dallas started 1-4 and lost several close games while committing 10+ penalties, Phillips brought in referees at practice.
Almost immediately, the Cowboys committed almost half the penalties. The players had not changed, just the teaching method and the emphasis.
It will be interesting to see how Garrett approaches big games. I think we saw a glimpse last season of the urgency Jason brought to the team. I really hope to see this edition of the Cowboys in the playoffs this season.
I can't really put my finger on why the Cowboys haven't been
successful for the past couple years….they have all the parts…a strong QB, up till now, a decent OL, great skill position players, and a strong pass rushing defense…consistency could probably be it
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 15, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, in '07 to '09
2007 and 2008, the Cowboys had a top 10 secondary according to FO statistics. In 2009, they were 13th or something like that
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 15, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
just more proof how stats can lie
If you watched them play you simply know they weren’t that good
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so from up there, you are in favor of using passer rating
for the QB, but not stats for the defense?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
if you really believe that there's really no help for you
Saying Cowboys defense is as good or better than the Steelers is like saying Derek Anderson is just as good as Peyton Manning….beyond moronic.
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My point was that the Cowboys are talented enough to win the
Superbowl. They were shown to have better stats over the past three years in many categories over the New York Giants.
And while the Cowboys defense wasn’t as good as the Steelers, stats show that they weren’t light years away in those years. Steelers were consistently a top 3 defense, whereas the Cowboys were a top 10 defense. And in my opinion, a top ten defense is more than good enough to win a superbowl.
And that’s comparable to how much better the cowboys offense was compared to the steelers.
Sorry that my point was so moronic.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 15, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, BigBlue
Terry refuses to be swayed by meaningless things like facts, stats, and records.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 15, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true
although I’d argue its a prerequisite for it.
You can have talent and be a mediocre team. You need leadership, teamwork, consistency, blah, blah, blah
You can have all the intangibles, though, and still be crap, too. You need talent to win as well.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 15, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
but again those are averages
Both the defense and OL would fall apart late in the season
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So you'll accept QB rating as an acceptable way of ranking QB's since it favors Romo, but not defensive numbers to do the same with defenses?
Anytime someone suggests Romo isn’t what you make him out to be…you’re always applying a stat to make a point that die-hard Romosexuals can buy into.
Then when people use similar stats to counter, you say they are delusional and that there is no hope for them.
Again, it’s become boring in it’s repetition. You need a new song to sing.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
big difference between individual stats and team stats
teams stats can be very misconceiving, you should know that.
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But what play in football doesn't involve a team executing it properly?
How can completion % be viewed the same for Jay Cutler (who has NOBODY to throw to) and no one to block for him as it is for Peyton Manning?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
These if-then hypotheticals have nothing of merit to stand on.
Why they come up as often as they do is beyond me.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Just saying...
On of the Great Romo’s playoff loss was to Eli and yes he does have better stats, but just like Rivers, Romo has come up small in some big games that’s why people outside of Dallas are on his case all the time.
Romo is going to have to go all the way or he will always have doubters, despite his stats.
by Late for Dinner on Jul 13, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions
And if he ever goes all the way, the argument will pretty much be over with.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Yes...it will
Like it was for Peyton and for Brees.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
no, our defense has come up small, not Romo
He doesn’t play on that side of the ball
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The whole team has, including Romo.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 15, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Really
Loss to Giants, the D allowed 21 points, Romo QB rating in the 60s.. Loss to Seahawks, the D allowed 21 points, Romo drops the snap then gets run down. Loss to Vikings, no one played well, including the defense and Romo.
If Romo truly played well enough for the team to win, they would have won. They lost, so clearly no one played well enough for them to win.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 15, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not good enough to win a playoff game?
:-)
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
You think QB rating, which you've hung your hat on, in the 60's is good?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 14, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
All true lol,but they look Damn fine !!.
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by scotscowboyfan on Jul 17, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
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