If You Could Have One Player From Each NFC East Team ...
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 18, 2011 5:00 AM CDT
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PrintOne interesting side element of the whole 'Doug Free as a free agent' discussion is the fact that Free could be an interesting option for the other NFC East teams.
Bleeding Green Nation's JimmyK opines that Free "would be an absolutely perfect fit on the Eagles OL protecting Michael Vick's blindside". Ed Valentine from Big Blue View sees Free as an "enticing, if unlikely, option," as they're focusing more on the guard position and Parks Smith from Hogs Haven "would also love to steal Doug Free".
While I don't think any of these scenarios are particularly likely to happen, they did lead to an interesting and totally speculative train of thought:
If you could have one player from each NFC East team for the Cowboys' 2011 roster, which three would you pick?
My picks:
From the Eagles roster, my pick would be Quintin Mikell, who just so happens to be a free agent, but that's not the reason he'd be my choice. Sure, Vick and DeSean Jackson are enticing options, but the Cowboys are already stacked at those positions. Mikell would have the most significant - and immediate - impact on the Cowboys in 2011.
From the Redskins, my choice would be Brian Orakpo - by a mile. The guy played on a 4-12 and 6-10 team, switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4, yet still managed to total 19.5 sacks in his two seasons and made the Pro Bowl in each season as well. Now imagine if the 6-4, 260 pound pass rusher was paired with DeMarcus Ware ... Orakpo is everything Spencer should have been, and more. Please Anthony, make me eat my words this season.
For the Giants, the default option should be to take away the core of their defense, the pass rush. When their pass rush is running on high gear, that defense can be formidable. But we've also seen what happens when the pass rush is off, so from a strategic point of view, I should take a pass rusher, and the default option here is Justin Tuck. Umenyiora is already over 30 and could be leaving New York anyway, Jason Pierre-Paul has failed to impress so far and Kiwanuka's neck injury throws up all kinds of red flags.
Which players would you pick and why?
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Giants – Justin Tuck
Eagles – Asante Samuels
Redskins – Oshiomogho Atogwe
That is all.
If something in sports is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, you've lived a pretty good life.
the default option here is Justin Tuck
And of course Dallas could have Tuck. The needed a DE and took one that year. Unfortunately the one they took was Marcus Spears.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jul 18, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a bit different
Tuck would play OLB in our system. Spears is a solid 3-4 DE
by Admiral Dallas on Jul 18, 2011 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions
i actually think Tuck could play both
he’s only 274, but it’s a solid 274. i think he’d split time at OLB and DE on pass rushing downs in a 3-4.
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Hmmm
Giants- G Chris Snee
Eagles- DT Brodrick Bunkley
Redskins- S Laron Landry
by howboutdemcowboyz on Jul 18, 2011 5:33 AM CDT reply actions
I'll go with you on 2 of 3, OCC
Skins – Orakpo
Giants – Tuck
Eagles – The cork in the bottom of the team’s party boat.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
by White Wolf on Jul 18, 2011 6:02 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll sign on for this one!
But I’ll warn you, Fat Andy is a Coast Guard Certified flotation device….
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Jul 18, 2011 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
NICE!
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 18, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Let’s make this Iggle green! Rec’d
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 18, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
And
pursued by Japanese whaling boats.
"You have to have a stronger belief in yourself than the disbelief of others."
Antonio Ramirez Romo
hahaha
I don’t care who you are, thats funny!!
by nospinzonefactor on Jul 18, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yip, yup, mmmmmhm
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Skins: landry
Eagles: Either Cole, or Nate Allen(OCC why not the younger choice?)
Giants: umm pass? Any young OL?
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Ill redo mind
Skins: orakpo can never have too many beast rushers
Eagles: Nate Allen young upcoming, lots of potential
Giants: ..
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
True, I don't know much about the Giants but he is a rookie so...
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
my picks
skins – orakpo, its that simple
giants – tuck, core of their defense
eagles – 1. Cole but where he would play? 2. Nate Allen, promising ball hawk, lot of up and downs last year 3. Brandon Graham/Stewart Bradley …if the can play this DE at 3-tech, then Cowboys could too…
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Skins-Orakpo
Eagles-Allen
G’men-Canty…Nah, JK. – Manning… Actually, I just threw up a little… – Jacobs…This is only getting worse… – How about Mathias Kiwanuka?
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 18, 2011 6:51 AM CDT reply actions
Vick is an enticing option for probably 20-25 or so teams in the NFL right now.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 18, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
But if you take away the 10 great games he had last year, he wasn’t very good.
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Yup, complete fluke. He’s also about 99.9998543876% likely to miss at least half the season with an injury, defenses have figured him out, and the Eagles will be lucky to go 7-9.
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by JimmyK on Jul 18, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Vick Is
an animal killing worthless POS who had one lucky year. I hope he enjoyed it
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Antonio Ramirez Romo
must we go there?
people have committed far worse crimes and gotten less, some none at all, jail time
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 18, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, we must.
any other questions?
"You have to have a stronger belief in yourself than the disbelief of others."
Antonio Ramirez Romo
Hell yeah.
A crime against a defenseless animal is like a crime against a little kid. You’ve got to have some ichor in your heart to do stuff like that. There is a reason that torturing small animals as a kid is fairly indicative of mental issues as an adult.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and you think we're one of them???
I’d say that number is much lower as I can think of at least 15 qbs who are clearly better
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Terry, Terry, Terry
The full sentence was “Vick and DeSean Jackson are enticing options, but the Cowboys are already stacked at those positions.” We have no need for a QB. But if we had the 2002 Chad Hutchinson starting at QB, Vick would certainly be an enticing option.
As for Vick, I get the dislike, and yes, there is an argument to be made that last year may have been a fluke, but there is also no denying that Vick had a stellar season in 2010. And based only on 2010, there are not 15 QBs who are clearly better. In terms of passer rating and yards per attempt, there were exactly three QBs who were better last year.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 18, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd take any of these QBs over Vick
Either because of age/potential or they are flat out better. I am with Terry last year was a fluke.
Flacco (2 AFC Champ games)
Ryan (#1 seed, young core/team)
Romo (MVP 2O11)
Eli (When was the last time he missed a game)
Manning (yeah)
Brady (yeah)
Big Ben (yeah)
Schaub (Stuck on a bad team, still gets it done, no D)
Cassel (Young, pdtohb)
Rivers (again pdtohb)
Stafford* (great potential, needs to stay on field, jury still out)
Rodgers (yeah)
Brees (yeah)
Bradford* (great potential)
Kolb* (just had to throw him in)
Freeman (got it done, young young exciting team/core)
*on the fence
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by thebigham on Jul 18, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol. That is all.
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lol is right...
I think Claussen and JeMarcus Russell should be added to the list as well. It is supposed to be funny right?
because you got nothing.
Take your homer classes off, either the QB is more successful than Vick already, or are young enough and on the right track.
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Lol
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by JimmyK on Jul 18, 2011 8:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ill be leading the charge to BGN when Vick crashes and burns
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
God, please bless Mommy and Daddy, and my sister and brother… and please make Michael Vick stinky again. Amen.
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haha he has one great season at the age of 32 and every eagle fan thinks hes the second coming
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He’s younger than Romo. Just quit while you’re way, way behind.
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but romo has always performed at a high lvl.
Vick has not
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Agreed, and I like Romo as a player. Unquestionable talent.
But……….
It’s kind of hard to even bother debating with someone who things the 2010 NFC MVP is the 17th best player at his position. So I think I’m done with you today. Let’s regroup and get back to rational thoughts sometime soon.
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Yeah but you posted the names of guys who've NEVER had the season Vick had.
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 18, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Vick may be younger (barely) than Romo
But also look at their styles of play. I know Vick, statistically, had a good season passing last year. But what happens when Vick’s legs wear down? Will he pick apart defenses when that dimension of his game isn’t threatening? I know of the two, Romo missed the most games last year, but what about the very real threat of Vick getting injured considering his current style of play?
by Admiral Dallas on Jul 18, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The dog is praying that Vick just stays the F^&k away from him
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by Seanrude on Jul 18, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
i've stayed away from vick and dog jokes.........
BUT DAMN!!!! THAT WAS FUNNY!!
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jul 18, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL classic
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
imagine if vick was asian?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 18, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
LOF'ingL!!!!!!!!!
Great one, Sean.
Give me UR calls! Give me highstepping by CBs and PRs entering the endzone! Give me screaming on the sidelines and headbutting! Give me Fortitude, Solidarity and VIOLENCE! Bring me CHAMPIONSHIPS!
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And The Dog Is Praying
he can catch Vick alone somewhere.
"You have to have a stronger belief in yourself than the disbelief of others."
Antonio Ramirez Romo
awesome awesome awesome
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jul 18, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo
Peyton
Brady
Rothlishamburger
Rivers
Rodgers
Brees
Bradford
Eli over Vick? Hell no.
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mm hamburger
Eli over Vick its a toss up, but Eli is durable, you can count on eli to throw 2tds and 1int a game. Eli hasn’t missed a game in ever that holds a lot of weight in my book
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plus the fact that he's shown he can win big games
something Vick has not.
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Who was the quarterback of the first team to beat the Packers at Lambeau, in the playoffs?
That’s a pretty freakin’ big game.
A lot of teams lost to a lot of other teams.
The “he hasn’t won a big game” is such a slippery slope. I understand a Giants fan using the argument, Eli Manning has won a Super Bowl. But, I hope that the rest of us don’t get into that argument. Wilddre22 argued that Vick hasn’t won a big game. My point was to demonstrate that he has.
People can think what they want about Vick’s football skills, but it seems pretty undeniable to me that he had a tremendous season last year, despite many odds. Personally, it’s hard for me to get past how reprehensible his behaviors were in the past, but I don’t know the man and don’t pretend to. I know a little bit about football, and maybe I’m wrong, but I think he had a really good year last season. He may not have won the Super Bowl, but he has won big games before.
oh okay nvm i read your line wrong
If I am picking a QB to start a team right now that list above is who Id pick over vick
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KD's list?
I think I agree.
Although, I think Bradford is a bit premature. He did a lot last season with no receivers, and he may wind up being a stud, but I think that Vick is the better player right now.
Believe it or not, I think Rivers is a bit of a question mark. This isn’t to take anything away from Rivers, remember, we’re discussing the very best QBs in the league. I don’t know why, I like Rivers a lot, but Vick was very impressive last season. Can he keep it up? With McCoy, Jackson, and Maclin at his disposal, he’s got a good chance.
Oh! Your list?!
No, you’re on crack man. Like I said, I can’t stand the guys crimes, they make sick in 500 different ways, but he can play football.
Since this is just a dream exercise, and not something that’s going to happen, I’ll say this: I’ll be the loan GM that doesn’t take a player just cuz he can play. I’ll go with the player that I can take home and feel comfortable with personally. So, as dream-GM, I take Vick into the office and interview him for a very, very, very, very long time. If I honestly feel that he is contrite, that he has changed, that he was in a bad place and has learned deep and genuine compassion, then maybe, maybe, maybe I would take him. If I don’t have the feeling, I would take Chad Pennington over Vick. Some crimes are hard, but not impossible, to forgive.
KD's list looks good. Bigham....
LOL. He didn’t even try.
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 18, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not gonna argue heavily
since i’ve maintained that Vick was a winner despite his stats as a Falcon. i’ll say however, that the Super Bowl stage is to the playoff stage what Carnegie Hall is to your local elementary school auditorium. there’s a whole lot more pressure being there, with 50 million eyes watching your every move. Vick has never had the chance, but Eli has, and excelled when the lights were on him. so for my money, give me Eli over Vick everyday.
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Eli??? I'll take Eli for that Superbowl game, cause he won it.
Other than that I think it’s pretty much understood that as a QB he’s never been nor, never will be “elite”. But he did win the big one and I can’t take that away from him….. or Brandon Jacobs…….. or David Tyree.
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 18, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
How can you even say this when Vick has been further into the playoffs than
Romo??
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 18, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
my disdain for Eli knows no bounds
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by KD Drummond on Jul 18, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take all those QBs over Vick except...
for Eli, Cassel, Kolb, and probably Ben.
Well, maybe Stafford, too, depending on whether or not he plays all year this year. Well, perhaps Flacco, but I’d like one more year out of him to see if he puts it all together.
by Admiral Dallas on Jul 18, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
well said OOC but in the USA people forgive humans killing humans easier then humans killing animals.
i’m a proud owner of a Golden Retriever & love dogs but i also look beyond the ignorance of one who took there life for granted. i’m sure Vick realizes what he did was more then wrong & he also paid the price that was set by the courts so i’m fine with him making his life the best he can. i think he’ll save a lot of dogs lives now this has happened which is a good thing.
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Well said in turn
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hmmmm
Skins – Orakpo. First Skin that instills fear since Sean Taylor. First front seven player I’ve respected since Lavar Arrington
Giants – Hakeem Nicks. Only Giants player i’d even look at.
Eagles – I just hate Asante Samuels, always have. Gimme Trent Cole and put me in the Cowboys 2-6 or Rob Ryan’s version of having 3 OLB’s on the field with Orakpo Ware and Cole.
Lawd have mercy.
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coles too short to be a linebacker
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i take that back
he’s 6’3". i was always under the impression he was under 6’.
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Only Nicks?
You honestly don’t think Snee is miles better than any of your guards? Plus KP and Rolle are better than your safeties.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you watch Chris Snee last year?
before 2010, I’d say yes. After seeing last season, no way in hell would I want Snee.
KP and Rolle are better than what we have, but I don’t want what we have either. Phillips, outside of the game against Dallas a few years back, seems to be a better run defender than pass defender.
I’d still pass, because they’d require more money than they are worth
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by KD Drummond on Jul 18, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched Snee last year....and saw another dominating season?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Snee dominated
I think O’Hara had a better season (every year, really) and the only dominant OLinemen for the Giants in 2010.
I know you guys allowed few sacks (but like the Cowboys, we both know that had more to do with coaching-playcalling than the linemen, just like the Cowboys) and while you guys had great rushing stats, those were mostly from Bradshaw making big plays…you did not have the same great power blocking of the Giants’ recent past. At least my opinion. I would tell you to look at what happened to the Cowboys line the past two seasons and start to worry about replacements sooner than later.
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O'Hara was out for almost the entire season
Snee and Kareem McKenzie form one of the best ROL tandems in the league. McKenzie was PFF’s best RT in the NFL, and Snee, while he did have a down year relative to his other years, is still a top 5 guard.
Our left side however is absolutely putrid, and that begins with the C which was a carousel. Diehl was one of the worst LT in the NFL as well.
However, what people don’t realize is that we have plenty of talent coming up. Mitch Petrus has a year or so under his belt, and will push for the starting LG spot. We have Will Beatty, who was excellent in limited action, and should be our LT. We also drafted James Brewer this year, who will likely be McKenzie’s replacement down the line.
In any case, you’re right though…if the Giants had a point of concern, the OL is definitely it.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow - brain fart and entire chain edit (this and others)
Entire time I was writing O’Hara (great in his time) but thinking of Seubert OG/C. I thought he looked great in 2010. Have to say didn’t pay attention to RT mutch when I saw Giants game, but I’ll have to go back to check out McKenzie
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
08 and 09 I'll give you, but not '10
Snee was very average last year from what I remember in the two Cowboys Giants games. Checking PFF agree’s with that assessment, though I was surprised to see he performed very well in the last three games of the season.
And PFF graded Snee out very well prior to 2010.
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And let's not forget
PFF also graded out the Cowboys O-Line 9th overall and 5th run blocking in 2010…which I think is safe to assume is not very accurate due to a large # of reasons.
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
how many games has trent cole missed due to injury the last three years?
its not going to get better. he cant produce in official athletic apparel sweatsuits
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 18, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
What a fun way to start a Monday!
Redskins-Orakpo, for all the mentions reasoned. Kind of unfair to compare to Spencer though since Orakpo was a top five pick (I believe) and absolutely KILLED at the combine.
Giants-Steve Smith,finally settles the 3WR position and we remove one of the Giants’ BEST Cowboy Killers
Eagles-Nate Allen, I can’t believe everyone is going with the old Safety and not the younger, more promising one who looked like a steal when the Eagles drafted him…
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If I was taking a Giants WR, would be Manningham.
He is perfect for our slot.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Asante????!!!!!!????
You don’t watch a lot of actual football, huh?
Jamaal Jackson, Allen, Cole (both of ’em,) even Danny Watkins…
Samuel gives up as many big plays as Newman.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Great idea!
Giants – I would have to steal either Diehl or O’Hara and play them at OG
Eagles – Nate Allen, great young safety addition
Skins – Orakpo is a great choice, but just to name another…Landry with Garrett and Ryan as coaches could reinvigorate his career.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
you must not have seen Diehl play last year
i wouldn’t call it a steal if you got him.
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Og, not LT
Diehl is getting up there in age. As LT, I don’t want him, but as OG he can play better than Kosier, Davis, and many others in the NFL. Won’t last much longer, but Diehl is legit.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Snee's younger and better
I’d take him at the guard over Diehl or anybody on the Cowboys.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 18, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure
Snee is a year and a half younger than Diehl, though considerably more than O’Hara. In the end, all three would be better guards than Leonards Davis. If I wasn’t as worried about Kosier’s injury, I might not say all 3 over him, but…
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
not to get off topic but Davis really needs someone to challenge or replace him.
even though he had a better 2nd half of the season the clock has expired on him. i cant see Dallas going into the season with him as the starter but outside of Holland theres no real threat on the current roster.
do you think Holland is the answer or will Jerry look to replace Davis in FA with an affordable upgrade?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
two words:
David Arkin….
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 18, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
+!
I just don’t know how much more Davis has left in his legs even if he is motivated by garrett and competition. Can’t wait to see what Arkin has in camp…watch out
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Yeah, BOY!
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
JPP failed to impress?
4.5 sacks and 2 FF in limited snaps during his rookie season isn’t impressive?
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on par or better than
rookie seasons:
rookie seasons:
Justin Tuck – 1 sack
Michael Strahan – 1 sack
John Abraham – 4.5 sacks 2 FF
Trent Cole – 5 sacks 1 FF
Osi Umenyiora – 1 sack 1 FF
Chris Long – 4 sacks 1 FF
Mario Williams – 4.5 sacks 1 FF
keep in mind also he’s behind 2 premier rushers that combined for 23 sacks last year. so he’s not putting up big numbers as long as that continues. but if he can be as good/better than the above mentioned, i’ll be impressed for one.
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I hear what you're saying but all you really did was
throw out a bunch of NOW successful people who didn’t have impressive years in their rookie season. No one’s saying he won’t be good, but that it wasn’t an impressive year.
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 18, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
my point was
i’m sure some fans thought they were busts/unimpressive after there first seasons too. but if he can pan out like that, i’ll be happy. and it’s tough to expect all rookies to bust on the scene ala Peppers or Ware. he’s playing limited snaps behind 2 all pros, but when he came in he made waves in limited duty. if he had done the same for the silver and blue i guarantee y’all would be singing his praises right now.
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I guess it was because you didn't agree with OCC first before making your point.
Because you’re original statement was
“JPP failed to impress? 4.5 sacks and 2 FF in limited snaps during his rookie season isn’t impressive?”
And the answer to that question is “No”. Now saying that if has careers like the aforementioned players, if that would be impressive is a COMPLETELY different question. Yes he’s behind all pros so we have no idea what he’s capable of. To me when I see Victor Butler play I like what I see during his limited opportunities, however I would never say that he had an impressive season last season or the season before that.
He did “good” for a rookie, just not “impressed” by it.
Oh and YES if he was on the cowboys I’d be singing his praises. :)
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 20, 2011 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions
what JPP did is akin
to a Sept. rookie call up in baseball hitting 8 homers in a month. or a pitcher getting 3-4 saves in a month. at the end of the season, it’s only 8 homers, but it’s the allotted time that makes it impressive. when last season began, JPP was behind Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, and at times Canty. he was fighting for Dave Tollefson for snaps. by seasons end, Kiwi was done, and he was getting more and more snaps from Osi who had slowed down a lil(age, injury) and this was due to his play. compare that to the eagles brandon graham, who started the year as a starter, ended up losing his starting job due to ineffectiveness, and of course landed on the IR. he ended up with 3 sacks and half the tackles than JPP in 13 games. while he faltered toward the end, JPP improved week by week. which is why i say those are impressive numbers. or how about, impressive in the opportunities he had.
and good job btw admitting to your homerism. there ain’t nothing wrong with it, and i think many would be in your camp if he was wearing silver and blue.
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You do realize
he’s a project who wasn’t expected to get anything this year, and one of those stats sites projected him to have 3 sacks for his career? Not to mention he’s a 270 wrecking ball on kick coverage.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 18, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember really hoping that the Giants got a bust. I remember hoping that he was just a physical specimen but didn't know if he could play.
And although his rookie year wasn’t lights out, I still remember thinking that he exceeded my expectations. I’m not saying he was good, but he was really really said to be raw coming out and I expected nothing from him.
got even it out i think
And since everyone is taking a rusher in orakpo they look at the giants for other needs
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
And the other teams in the NFCEast
Ware
Witten
Dez
would probably be the only answers in order of votes.. agree?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Sounds about right, though if you could get anyone, people might have Ratliff over Witten
And I think Shanahan would be quite happy with Romo instead of Beck as his QB, even though he does need a WR like Dez.
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Shanahan loves Romo & tried to pay him double what Dallas offered back in the day.
if Denver didnt draft Cutler theres a good chance Romo would be a Bronco but he saw his chance in Dallas with S.Payton.
what do you make of the whispers about S.Payton to Dallas? i’m sure it would have be bigger then a head coaching gig but the Jones & Payton are very close.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
Haven't heard the whispers
I would love having someone like Payton to relieve Garrett of some of the oc pressure, but he owuld looking for hc or more. Now, you saying gm or front office?
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
NFL 2011 top 100
The next person after Ware (Besides Michael Vick since being a QB ups any players stock automatically) is @ #29 with Desean Jackson. Demarcus Ware is clearly the best player in the NFC East. Although you could argue that DeSean Jackson isn’t that high for his WR skills alone. It is his return ability that gets him that high. Witten was close behind that @ 36 then the next player isn’t until 54 with Asante Samuel. I would say yes, Ware and Witten are atop everyone’s list in the NFC East if they could take players from us. Then you would enter into a debate about Ratliff, Dez or Miles after that.
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by ProBowlFactory on Jul 18, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Here is my thinking
Yes, Witten is the greatest TE in the NFC East (and most of us would add league and some possibly NFL history)
But I am thinking of NFC East team needs, and I think Ratliff would be a lot higher on the shopping list, especially since Skins, Eagles need DL hlep (and Giants love them some athletic DL)
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
I think Giants would take Witten first
he would be the biggest direct upgrade at his position, but he wouldn’t be utilized properly. They don’t need another receiver, although his kick return ability would be appreciated. They are stacked at D-end but if they traded Osi and somehow got Ware, no one would complain.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 18, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Dware should top everyone’s list, no doubt.
But with Cofield and Kiwanuka FAs and Osi being somewhat of a pain, I think Ratliff would provide you guys more than Witten.. It’s not like you use Boss or any TE the way we do Witten…at least not since Bavaro.
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Its ok
we’ll fire our offensive coordinator and take Witten.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHA
I would hate to go up against a team with Nicks, Smith, Manninghame, AND Witten. That would be painful. And perhaps Gilbride would do more with his TE if it was Witten.
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Killdrive would make Witten into the best blocking TE in history
Not sure I’d want that haha.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, Witten is the best blocking TE in the league already…seriously. That is why he is so great. Most opponents just remember all the catches and how he can magically find openings and make people miss even while looking slow, but his bread and butter is his ability to block with the best of em
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Oh, he's an excellent blocking TE
But Gilbride (or Killdrive as I fondly call him) would put him in exclusively to block, because according to him TEs can’t catch worth a damn, so they might as well not run routes.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
so In Gilbrides opinion
Bennett=Witten?
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 18, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Witten=
Howard Cross.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 18, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Redskins
Might want a quarterback sometime this decade.
by CotySaxman on Jul 18, 2011 11:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no way shannanananana is a QB genius
He will turn Rex Beck into the greatest ever invented
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
shannanananananananana...lol
great comedy in here today
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jul 18, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A different take
Eagles – Nate Allen (Jenkins was lobbying for this guy and is comfortable with him behind him at FS)
Skins – DeAngelo Hall (Brian Orakpo is solid but I just thought I would try something different for each)
Giants – Chris Canty (He hasn’t done much for them there so he would probably cost less to bring back and he could rush the passer from the 3-4 DE position too)
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by ProBowlFactory on Jul 18, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions
Canty's return would certainly be welcomed
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Canty?
Dont get me wrong I’d take him back in a second (for less money than NY gave) and he’d be an upgrade over Spears or Igor if you ask me but, he hasn’t done a thing in NY besides miss games and forget to fill his stat line. Especially when you consider the deal they gave him. In games when Dallas played NY I almost forgot he had went there (joke) as you heard his name so little.
by COWBOYS DIE HARD SON on Jul 18, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
that's not true at all
Canty was a huge reason for our lines success last season, including our effectiveness against the run. he absorbed alot of double teams allowing guys like Cofield, JPP, and obviously tuck and osi to run quite freely in the backfield. he was a very disruptive force for us, and while 2009 was forgettable for him, 2010 was his reawakening. and i expect even more from him with the young guys nipping at his heels(Joseph and Austin) this year.
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Tarheel Fan here.............
and i think you guys might end up pretty disappointed in Marvin Austin. Tarheel fans expected big things from him every year he was there and he never ever produced. He was never the disruptive player you thought he would be. He also had a horrible attitude. He’s one of those guys where its always someone elses fault. I wish him the best because he is a Tarheel.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jul 18, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i didn't bring my umbrella paul
why you raining on my parade? hehe just kidding, i had heard the same thing about Austin(his motor being low) and also his attitude but i saw a piece on him and came away feeling good about him as a person after seeing it. i can only hope what happened to him last year motivates him to meet the expectations finally. thanks btw for creating the cyborg killer hakeem “New York” Nicks. he will be a hall of famer by time his careers over.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Your quite welcome for Nicks.
Even though it makes me sick to see him in a NYG uniform! He is awesome though. Great great great kid too. One of the nicer football players i ever had the pleasure to meet.
By the way, you’re even more welcome for Lawrence Taylor. People forget he was a Tarheel. But oh yes, yes he was.
And sorry for the rain. As a cowboy fan i try to rain on any possible optimisim.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jul 18, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't want to garner too many thanks over here
that’s why i didn’t go back to LT. some might think i’m rubbing something in over here. but…….thanks……..
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EEEEEEWWWWWWWW... and a -1
@DeAngelo Hall
Anyone else wondering why Romo's talking to the media about the "Secret Practices"?
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 18, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
DeAngelo Hall would be welcome on this team if we added a position on the roster specifically for trash-talking
But covering receivers? Keep Sir Burned himself far away from my roster
by Admiral Dallas on Jul 18, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy for me
Giants- snee some one who can replace bigg until arkin develops and then take over for kosier for a few years
Eagles- nate allen youth skill and need all match up here
redskins- orakpo
tuck, orakpo, and desean
before you rip understand i have wiped Roy the Boy out the playbook(been there done that)
as well as MBIII. so now the rb depth chart is felix, demarco, and tashard(2/3 are VERY injury prone)
so to keep the RB’s touches low and maximize the space they get to run in, deasean is the third WR in the new standard singleback set and becomes the vertical stretcher/quick screen guy while miles and dez get to work the middle/inside/outside/short/deep one-on-one
brees and payton better watch out. runteldat
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 18, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
2 List's
Ok I got 2 wish list’s, One for the state of the Cowboys as of this second, and one list that would be a Best Player from each team style list.
Current Cowboys Roster wish list : Otogwe, Snee, & Cole
BPA List : DJack, Orakpo, Tuck
Of course it’s all debatable but That’s just how I see it as far as what I’d take for what we need this year or what I’d take if we were rebuilding and needed help at all positions
by COWBOYS DIE HARD SON on Jul 18, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Brian Orakpo, Prince Amukumara, and Nate Allen seem like the players that would come in and contribute the most, in the areas of most need.
The Dallas defense worries me, a lot, and shoring up the secondary while adding an immense pass rushing talent to the other side of the best pass rusher in the league, would really add quite a bit to the defense.
I think that the Redskins would want Romo, the Eagles would want Jay Ratliff, and the Giants would want Doug Free.
No thanks on Ratliff. Good player and all, but I’m taking DeMarcus Ware every single time, plugging him in wherever and just saying “Go get the QB, kid.”
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Well, that makes sense to me, I just didn't understand where he would fit in your scheme.
It’s like the DeSeAn Jackson question. Great talent, sure? But where does he fit?
I think I’d just line him up at DE. The Eagles brought in a guy with almost identical height/weight in Jevon Kearse back in the day, and he was awesome before he started racking up injuries. And Demarcus Ware, as a talent, destroys Kearse.
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Agreed on all accounts
I think he could play DE for you guys, and in fact, I would assume he would be on the top of everyone’s list if you asked – which Cowboy do you want to steal?
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Dez Bryant over Ware???
Kegbearer – Dez Bryant may turn out to be the most talented fottball player ever to wear the star…It’s early, but watching this kid in limited action last season…Bryant, if he is focused, could literally tear up the league beyond Andre Johnson or Randy Moss…….
Plus the kid has youth on his side.
Yes, youth on his side, yes, could tear up the league
But Ware is already a professional and aleader 9two things Dez needs to wrok on).
Also, I think there are more WRs like Dez out there (I think Miles isn’t too far off) than all round passrushing, runstopping, crazy fast and strong DE/OLB like Ware.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Ware is a foundation piece - Bryant is a futures commodity
I think they are BOTH unbeleivable talents but Ware does have the suit and tie professionalism everyone wants….
Bryant apparently enjoys hanging at the Kay jewlers in the mall with his pants around his knees…big difference.
But Bryant has the potential to be a superstar…and if he is indeed 10 pounds lighter and a bit quicker this season…I can’t wait to see some of the highlights rolling our way.
Late to the party but......
Skins – Landry
Eagles – McCoy (isnt this who JG is trying to find with Demarco Murry ?_
Giants – would have to go with Tuck
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Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
Great call on McCoy
While I am happy with Felix and Murray (even Choice to some degree) I was really upset when the Eagles drafted McCoy…and he would be a great back for Garrett’s system.
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
McCoy and Murray
I’ve seen where Murray is compared to McCoy as “what type of player” Murray will be.
And I’ve had guys who know more than me tell me that it’s a fair comparison.
I think it is a valid comparison
Thoguh McCoy has done it in the NFL and we have to wait and see if Murray can do the same. One difference, I think McCoy is a slightly better runner, though Murray (at least in college) was a better WR threat (out of the lsot a lot) and pass blocker.
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"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Utilization Question
I am curious to see how JG uses DeMarco this season. I think it’s all how the player is unleashed.
LeSean McCoy is a good kid, walks the line, but I do not think Andy Reid uses him properly to get the most out of him…Reid is such a sucker for the pass he tends to forget to get McCoy the ball at times, and it hurts McCoy’s overall numbers.
Although – Andy Reid did draft Dion Lewis from Pitt and McCoy really pulled for that pick – so Andy does know how to keep LeSean happy.
Would have gone McCoy, except for Murray.
Murray will be utilized like Westbrook, just watch.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 19, 2011 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Dallas should sign undrafted rookie N.Divine to compete with Choice.
Divine might be small but i bet he’s stronger then any of the RBs on the Dallas roster. then they could possibly trade Choice if the opportunity presents itself.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
Giants would take:
Cowboys: If we can consider Doug Free a Cowboy, I take him all day. If not, probably Jason Witten. The man is just a machine. I’d love me some Demarcus Ware, but those two players would provide a stronger impact.
At DE, I’m fairly certain we’re bringing back Kiwanuka, we have Osi (he’ll play), Tuck, and Pierre-Paul who over the last part of the season, played only in 53% of the defensive snaps, yet still managed to get 4 sacks, 4 hits, 2 FF, and 16 pressures and graded out positively in almost every game in run defense over the season.
Eagles: Take Lesean McCoy, especially if Ahmad Bradshaw ain’t coming back…if not, I’ll take Desean.
Washington: Orakpo because there isn’t really anyone else I could take.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:09 PM CDT reply actions
Memo from Washington -
You can take Donovan McNabb…no really….please…..we’re begging you….TAKE DONOVAN MCNABB!!!!!
i just think he's a beast
i wanted the boys to get him coming out of college, i wasn’t taking into account the real situation of the team, if so then i want back canty or maybe chris snee
The Big Three
Giants – Prince Amukamara (talented young CB – first round talent)
Redskins – Brian Orakpo (All-Pro and first round talent)
Eagles – Jeremy Maclin (gifted young and versatile WR – first round talent)
With this scenario – Debates about keeping T-Newman and Roy Williams vanish…..and DeMarcus Ware and Rob Ryan do back flips…well, maybe just Ware and Ryan watches.
Great idea..........
Giants………….Chris Snee, Not only is it a big need but he is also one of the best in the NFL. But im also a Tarheel and to watch Hakeem Nicks line up with Witten, Bryant, AND miles would be pretty freakin cool.
Eagles….I would like to say Nate Allen but I didn’t get to see much of him last year. He was hurt for most of the season if im not mistaken. By default I would take Asante Samuel. Smart ball hawking db. And a proven winner.
Redskins….Orakpo all day.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
I'd say this tandem of
Snee – Samuel – Orakpo would help out the Boys the most. OL help, CB shored up, and Orakpo and Ware provide a nice holy sh!t pass rush.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jul 18, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Giants – Prince
Redskins – Orakpo
Eagles – David Akers
by bEWARE OF dWARE on Jul 18, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Akers is a free agent i rem correct & had some problems with the Eagles front office
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
I'll take seppuku.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Giants: Justin Tuck. He’s a premiere player who would boost our DLine tremendously.
Redskins: Brian Orakpo: Replace spencer with him. image Tuck, Ware, Orakpo Ratliff coming at you.
Eagles: Nate Allen: I’ve already shored up the front 7 or else I would take Cole. I go with the young safety here to help our weak secondary
Okay....
3 players…NFC east teams only….
Eagles-Reggie White
Redskins- Darrell Green
Giants- Lawrence Taylor
Nothing was said that they had to be current players…just players for the 2011 roster…..do I win?
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 18, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
If you don't win
you must have been playing the 85 Bears.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
nope
played to a 0-0 tie….
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 18, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Pffftttt
It would take way more than 1 good player to make Dallas a good team.
Jerry can't get it done ! At least I have LSU !
dude
Here...Drink more Kool – aid...
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 18, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Fun!
Giants – Lawrence Tynes (Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?)
Eagirls – Jason Peters (can you have enough good OT’s?)
Skins – LaRon Landry (tough choice given we already have Alan Ball)
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yes and no
Peters isn’t exactly a consistent lineman. He can either play at a pro bowl level or look board and half asleep on the field. Now, perhaps he can be motivated, but lack of effort is like the kiss of death for linemen (in my book)
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
There's no guarantee we sign Free and who knows how the rook will do
Peters is safe. As much as we wanted him to fail, he has played well.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Who would Skins, Eagles and Giants fans take from the Cowboys?
Eagles would take Free. Jimmy, feel free to counterpoint.
Skins would take Romo.
Giants would take Witten or Rat.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
"Jason Pierre-Paul has failed to impress so far"
You haven’t been watching many GIants game have you? ;)
In a limited role and considering that he was considering has a raw DE that would only produce in a couple of seasons, JPP has impressed very much.
I could only mention 4,5 sacks and rest my case. But this is not sufficient. Like Sir Winston Churchill once said “Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination.”
JPP did much more than that. With his raw skillset he found a way to be around the QB most of the time when he was on the field. Yes it’s better when you get the QB but let’s remind ourselves, he is a rookie with one real year of experience as a DE in college.
Plus, he stood out in ST. Well it was not a difficult accomplishment considering how badly are ST were but still, I have never seen a rookie drafted in the 1st round put so much enthusiasm in ST. THe guys was 200% on the field and you could see him fly across the field.
So, yes he has been pretty impressive considering what most of us were excepting from him.
New York Giants French blog http://nygiantsfr.wordpress.com/ (with croissants and wine)
HAHA
And still, none are better than Dallas BBQ
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Mmmmmmm
For all the talk of Philly cheesesteaks, some of which are really good, Chickie’s and Pete’s fries with old bay seasoning and melted cheese on the side are my favorite thing i have eaten in Philly (first time actually at an Eagles – Cowboys game. Wow, I have never been called an ahole that many times my entire life much less in a couple of hours). But i guess that doesn’t count since it is a franchise.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
well they get it from baltimore
mY old bay burgers are amazing mmm
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
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