Jason Hatcher Turns Down Cowboys Offer: Dallas Going Cheap On Defensive Ends?
by Kegbearer on Jul 28, 2011 9:07 PM CDT
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PrintThe bad news of the day was the Washington Redskin's signing of former Cowboys defensive end Stephen Bowen. Though Rob Ryan and some fans, including myself, were excited to see what Bowen could do in 2011 in Ryan's schemes, it is understandable that the Cowboys were not willing or able to pay Bowen $5 million a year. The silver lining was that the ‘Skins lost interest in defensive end Cullen Jenkins once they completed a deal with Bowen. In fact, it sounds like Jenkins and his agent were preparing to see the paperwork and were surprised by the end of negotiations and Bowen's signing.
As we understand it, a handshake deal was close if not done. Something happened to prompt the Redskins to go for Bowen instead.
But is the talk of the Cowboys now chasing Cullen Jenkins more a rumor than a reality? It seems plausible that the Redskins were negotiating for both Bowen and Jenkins, but thinking they were losing the bidding war with the Cowboys on Bowen, were about to spend big on Jenkins. And then it happens. Stephen and Jerry Jones decide the price for Bowen is simply too much for the team to handle. Seeing a cheaper and younger option, the Redskins end discussions with Jenkins and sign Bowen. If these deductions hold, then it appears Jenkins is seeking more money than the Cowboys are willing to offer, at least to Bowen. As OCC explained, the Cowboys are now also talking with Brandon Mebane a talented 4-3 defensive linemen that might be able to play 3-technique in a 3-4, it seems possible negotiations for Jenkins have stalled and the Cowboys are hopping his price drops in the market.
And now it seems Jason Hatcher may not be re-signed.
As tweeted by Calvin Watkins:
ESPN Blogs NFC East (@espn_nfceast)
7/28/11 7:18 PM
RT @calvinwatkins: Jason Hatcher to visit the Denver broncos on Friday. Hatcher has turned down a cowboys offer.
It is possible that Jason Hatcher is asking for more money than he deserves, but it's also possible that the Cowboys are tightening their belt. Perhaps they are also stalling for time, seeing if Sean Lissemore, Josh Brent, and Clifton Geathers are developing enough to compete for a starting spot. Perhaps Igor Olshansky has a brighter future in a Rob Ryan scheme than many expect. The Cowboys front office is very busy. Whether the reworking of franchise players' contracts, the releasing of dead-money contracts, or the developing free agency situation, learning the new cap rules and loopholes, a lot of work is happening on the fly.
How the Cowboys manage the transition into the new CBA and the new salary cap will speak volumes of the franchise's management skills, scouting ability, and thus the success of the Garrett Era. As we watch the free agency moves moving forward, keep in mind that the cap figures are funny numbers, and the Cowboys could be looking down a worrisome road and reacting to long-term consequences we as fans often overlook. According to Clayton of ESPN.
Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon)
7/28/11 4:54 PM
RT @ClaytonESPN: The bad news of releasing Colombo, Davis, R. Williams, K. Brown and M Barber, they have $20.9 m of dead money in 2012
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Hatch has showed me nothing
Could careless
by scandrick32 on Jul 28, 2011 9:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Mebane seems more like a NT than a 5 tech
he’s a very stocky run stuffer
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Good call/catch
Will fix typo
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yeah keep on sitting back with the whole wait and see approach Jerry, its working wonders
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by Archie Barberio on Jul 28, 2011 9:13 PM CDT reply actions
I really love how we didnt draft any defensive ends, this is looking worse and worse
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Jul 28, 2011 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
Chia, your posts are usually positive
Is it that time of month or are you always grumpy and usually hide it well?
We knew going in that the Cowboys were more constrained than most teams. The Redskins are spending money so fast it is a good thing they are co-located with the Federal Mint. They paid $20M for a back-up guard today! We can survive and prosper when the deep wells are filled with mush and the money has slowed down – that is where we find out bargains.
by lee3022 on Jul 28, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just not thrilled with the way this is shaping out
I am always POSITIVE, I think I am allowed to go negative once a year
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by Archie Barberio on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Although Hatcher has been a huge disappointment...
…I wouldn’t go as far as saying Zero.
Fast forward to the 1:23 mark. I remember this
He hasn’t really produced since.
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by silverblue5 on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I know my bad
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Jul 28, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously guys, stop.
It’s not time for that yet. If it turns out that way here in a couple of days I’ll be leading this charge and you all know it. But let’s see how this plays out before we get out the torches and pitchforks.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I'll even go further than that...
lets wait until actual games are played before bitching.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I'm not going to be that patient.
If they don’t do what needs to be done in FA and get some help in here I’m going on the war path.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Nothing.
It will make me feel a little better though. Honestly I’m pretty sick of ranting though. I just want them to get it right.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
And I get that...
but you won’t even know what’s right until the season happens.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Maybe
maybe not. I know we need a safety, and there are other things that I think I know about. I’m irrational at times and wrong about most things…im a fan
by danielcp0303 on Jul 28, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I usually have a pretty good idea.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I'd still like to know how much money they have to work with.
Not from you, but anyone. It seems like there is never a straight answer.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I'm not sure anybody really knows at this point.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I bet...
Jerry thinks he knows.;)
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Other options
There are still a # of 4-3 DT that might might be able to make the transition. Word is Omobi Okoye will be cut by the Texans if no trade partner is found. He made $2.5 mil last year. I doubt he’d turn down $2.75 or 3 a year to play in the same state for a better team
well
when Mebane and Jenkins come off the market to other teams, we will be f’d
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by Archie Barberio on Jul 28, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
DE's isnt too deep on the market
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by Archie Barberio on Jul 28, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we have to trust RR right now
He has done well with less talent than we currently have.
There are still some options and I doubt we let all the candidates slip away.
Keep faith Chia, let’s see how it plays out.
Mebane isn't a huge upgrade over Igor.
we have enough run stuffers.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
Okoye is an interesting study
He’s very young, been in the league four years but only turned 24 in June.
His value rating as calculated by pro-football-reference.com puts him in the top 25% of DT’s for 2010.
If HOU cuts him and we can get him 4 yr/ $10-11 million. That could turn out to be great value.
Jenkins doesn’t interest me. Too old (30), too expensive and too injury prone (17 missed games in last three seasons).
by Bayou Cowboy on Jul 28, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not too
sure the DE is an important position in RR’s defense when it comes to the pass rush.
he rotates lb’s and cb’s on the blitz.
The DE’s must stop the run and get off the field.
Kudos to not over paying for Bowen.
Let’s wait a few more days before signing anyone else.
by oneforthethumb on Jul 28, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he fits in a 3-4
that was his whole problem in Houston.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Just as a note on Cullen Jenkins and the Redskins
ESPN 980 reported (while I was driving) here in DC that the Redskins never even went back to the Jenkins group after the initial contract offer exchanges. Take both sides stories with a grain of salt probably, but that’s what the word was.
The report indicated it as Washington not being high on Jenkins, as opposed to an outrageous salary demand. Myself personally, I’m not overly on the Jenkins bandwagon. Won’t be mad if they sign him, will cheer him on heartily if he wears a star, but I’m not gaga over him.
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Brandon Mebane is the better option here IMO. But I’m in the same boat as you on Jenkins,
will cheer him on heartily if he wears a star, but I’m not gaga over him.
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
Yeah he would help on the run D and finally push Rat over to DE, which would hopefully extend his career
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Rumors
Are that Ratliff has trimmed down and lost almost 20 lbs. Sounds to me like Ryan and Ratliff have already discussed a move to DE or at least a lot more reps there.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Glad you guys aren't going gaga.
You’d look ridiculous dressed like her.
I don't know if Lee Ford is right, but if he is, Jerry Jones may have effectively rewritter the CBA to say "Cowboys Rule"
If we got Nnamdi at $10M/year
I’ll sleep in an egg
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
Aint happening at $10mil...
not with Jonathan Joseph getting almost $10mil per year…Nnamdi now will command $12-15mil per year.
by ChuckCowboy on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why I said that
Obviously I don’t want to sleep in an egg, or purchase a huge egg that is big enough for me to sleep in, so I made a very far fetched comment to prevent me from having to live up to my word of sleeping in an egg…..sarcasm obviously not received
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
My bad...You are indeed right abt the sarcasm...
long day and did the speed reading thing. Well, let’s just hope for the best
by ChuckCowboy on Jul 28, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s all good….I can understand how it was misinterpreted
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
Joseph to Texans are the current reports
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Nnamdi will play for 12 million but thats a lot for a 30 yr old.
Revis makes 11.5 million
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
Well Done Keg
We don’t have the luxury of acting hastily. I like the restraint being exhibited at the moment. I understand we may lose some guys we have grown to love or may have potential that we would like to see developed, but we have to think about the now and the future.
Perhaps they are also stalling for time, seeing if Sean Lissemore, Josh Brent, and Clifton Geathers are developing enough to compete for a starting spot.
I trust in what JG sees for the team and the coaching staff (for the first time in a long time). RR is giving his input. I am sure we wouldn’t lose anyone that he really thought was absolutely necessary.
I am hopeful this restraint will prove to be helpful in the long run. With everything happening so fast in this condensed offseason, we will be miles ahead of these other compulsive teams. I am looking forward to seeing how our roster shakes out by Week 1.
Serious omission, Keg
How can you not include my pet cat #2, Alex Daniels, in your list of DEs?
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 29, 2011 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Very athletic, but at around 270lbs, is he really in the hunt for a starting defensive end spot? I am interested to see how Rob Ryan tries to use him though.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Sign a backup nt
and start Brent. The plan should have always been to move Rat to de. Franklin would be adequate.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
If Rat isn’t big enough to play NT, what makes you think he’s big enough to play 3-4 DE? That’s what I’ve never understood about that idea. That’s a 2-gap position and, quite frankly, a waste of Ratliff’s skills.
by TheBlueBaron on Jul 28, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why I favor the 4-3 with our personnel.
Rat weighs 300lbs. He is big enough to play a 3-4 de. However you could maximize his talents in the 4-3.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jul 28, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeing as he’s been considered the best NT in football for the past couple of years, I’d say we’re maximizing his talents pretty damn well as it is. Ryan would seem to agree.
by TheBlueBaron on Jul 28, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He is not close to the best nt in football.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jul 29, 2011 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions
O yea. Cut igor.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Wade reads this board, remember.
We need to develop code…
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I would rather have us turn into a fiscally responsible team and suffer for two years.
I believe in karma, if we are truly going to do things the right way – The Cowboy Way – we are going to do it in all aspects. We have the ability to be competitive with our current talent if we pick up a low salary DE and S… Noone’s roster is perfect, y’all. Look at the Pack, they do have a few stars (not as many as us, though,) and other than that, a lot of unheralded players who are well coached and do their job.
That dead money next year is going to make for a rough go. Like O.C.C. said, I hope we as fans keep in mind that the team is doing the right thing…
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 9:49 PM CDT reply actions
BlueNSilver heres the rub
Jerry could have done this last year with no consequences. Also if he would have actually cared about the 09 draft instead of trating it like his little toy maybe Dallas wouldn’t be in this situation.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
He could have
but why would he have? We were SB bound.
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
I don't want this to sound like a personal attack, please don't take it wrong it is meant for several people.
The past is gone. We can not change it. We can only move forward and Jerry and Coach seem to be doing a good job of things. I am sick of hearing about the ’09 draft. We get it, it sucks… This team has undergone such monumental changes since then that it is unfair to continue transmitting a negative vibe over something like that.
As it turns out, Jerry could have gutted the team with no real ramifications last year, but like Lee said, as the CBA worked out, the teams that are in trouble are the teams that DONT have people under contract. Jerry rolled the dice on a few things last season, so far he is coming up a winner.
I am much more concerned about what is happening today, tomorrow, this week. Not calling for blind loyalty, but we really should be positive in this moment.
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
question: isn’t dead money when a team cuts a player and has to charge-off the unamortized portion of the signing bonus against the cap in the next year. That leaves you with a charge against the cap but no player, hence the term ‘dead money’.
assuming that’s correct, could you explain what a ‘dead money CONTRACT’ is?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jul 28, 2011 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
Sure
“releasing of dead-money contracts” meaning releasing players with contracts that have dead money
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
that makes no sense. you don’t have ‘dead money’ until the player is released.
but maybe you could explain it to me by way of example.
give me a few examples of current Cowboy players that have ‘dead money’ contracts and which one’s don’t?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I use the term dead money as a player that is underperforming and undeserving of his salary. It makes you want to release the player, but he has a dead money contract with serious cap hits after releasing him like you would want. THus he has a bad contract – dead money contract. At least that is how I use the term.
Examples – Barber and Bigg
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
That unamortized portion of the contract counts the following season.
The money counts but the player isn’t there. I think one thing fans are missing is this fact, Jerry is saving real money by cutting these clowns he should have cut last year.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Well
He isn’t really saving money. The yearly salary will go to some other player as we try to stay under the cap, but then the money he has already paid in the past (prorated signing bonus) counts against the cap.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Inaccurate Keg.
He doesn’t really have to pay Roy 9 mil or Barber 4 mil or Colombo 2 mil and so on. So he is saving real money.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jul 28, 2011 10:02 PM CDT reply actions
The problem is...
The problem is in signing D-Ends is that when you have some teams playing 3-4 and others play 4-3 defenses, the value of the Defensive End is different. Look at what Charles Johnson got when re-signing with Carolina, about $12 million/per year, while Bowen got about $5 million/per year. A lot of the FA defensive ends, except for Shaun Ellis and Cullen Jenkins, are mainly 4-3 specific ends.
Is there a chance the cap goes up next year? Anyone know?
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
The cap goes up as revenue goes up
So yes, it will go up, by how much? No one knows….so go buy some jerseys and game tickets, then revenue will go up which means the cap will rise!
"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones
If we're relying on me for revenue
The caps goin’ down…Thanks for the answer. I was wondering if we could possibly get a little relief from that 20mil albatross around our necks next year..
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
According to Mr. Ford
The Cowboys are doing everything according to the grand plan JJ created…The Cowboys are acting very differently lately…and I think it coincides with Mr. Ford’s scenario.
The Cowboys are going to be in terrific shape sooner than later…and all this spending is going to really cost other teams come 2013….that’s the magic year.
I need a dumbed down version of those posts about the cba
it’s over my head
by danielcp0303 on Jul 28, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean you are not going to buy
$20 million in jerseys and game tickets. I am going to pin our cap troubles on you now.
(I’m being sarcastic.)
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I was chuckling before the disclaimer anyway
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
Pay up, poser
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
Dear god
Did the Cardianls really give Kolb a 60 mil extension? That’s what Romo got.
Are they really that stupid?
Ballhawking Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop tormenting me.
Kevin Kolb should be in Philly
They dumped “Fat Man’s Wonderboy” who was a class act during the whole charade for a complete reprehensible pyscopath.
That is going to be bad karma for the Eagles.
Disagree this is going to be great karma for the eagles.
This isn’t a boy band, this is a business, you make your assets look really shine then sell them to a buyer for 12 times it’s value. Genious. Tell me the last time we’ve done that?
Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jul 28, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Rumors are Vince Young as Vick's backup
Reports/sources “almost certainty”
Nice…drama, drama, drama, DeSean, drama
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Really?
I am glad I was a ’Boys fan before the Cards came to town. That may end up being the worst move in the history of the NFL.
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Yes they are. AND THEY GAVE UP DRC AND A 2ND ROUNDER FOR THE RIGHT TO DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I seriously hope they never win another game. Unbelievably stupid.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
No no, we want them to do really well this year (blind homerism: they lose to us in the NFC Championship).
Lower pick for the Eagles that way. Then they can lose every game for forever.
by TheBlueBaron on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a sneaky suspicsion...
With Bowen leaving, and Hatcher as good as gone, I think that Ratliff will be moving outside. Looking at Rob Ryan’s history, both as D-Coordinator and other positions, you will notice that he always has had a bigger NT. I could see them staying in house and using Brent as the NT or possibly calling up Clevland to see if they could A. Ruben for a late round pick.
They might not much of a choice...
by scandrick32 on Jul 28, 2011 10:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good suspicion -
Brent showed flashes, and Rat can play anywhere….
This is not a one year fix, and the Cowboys are approaching it very well.
This is a season where the young pups get out and get some sink or swim experience…It should be fun and hopefully we’ll have a few pleasant surprises…
I would LOVE this:
This is a season where the young pups get out and get some sink or swim experience…It should be fun and hopefully we’ll have a few pleasant surprises…
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Beginning to think the same way...
Next year, the draft will be all about defense, with Corner and DE high on the list… They just couldn’t do it all this year…
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
What about SAFETY?
I agree on DE, but I cannot go another freaking year without drafting a top flight safety.
Ballhawking Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop tormenting me.
by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely safety...
but I think the priority will be to replace Newman.
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope he can be replaced from within
But it’ll be about about bpa probably, whoever is the best guy between Safety, DE and corner I’m fine with it.
Ballhawking Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop tormenting me.
by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
They ran a good draft this year, or so I thought… I think JG is not just about the here and now. Like the Cylons, he has a plan.
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
After Rob took over...
When Rob Ryan took over I could see him watching film and thinking to himself, if I put Ratliff and Ware on the same side imagine the things this defense could do. Then he goes out and talks up Bowen and Hatcher, so that teams would think they were good. But in the meantime, he is telling the internal staff not to sign them because he has some big plans for this defense and the cornerstone will be Ratliff and Ware wreaking even more havoc then before.
by aubatron2011 on Jul 28, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
as long as jerry keeps the chopping block doors open regardless of salary
im a happy camper and maybe he has turned the corner somewhat
LOL
I can just picture Jerry with a meat cleaver and Garrett standing beside him saying…“OK Jerry, now lop off this chunk here….no Jerry the big fatty slab that was my Right Guard…think about last year Jerry…remember the Packers hoisting the trophy in our house?…(then WHACK!)…there you go….good job.”
Jerry slamming the cleaver down hard with a menacing grin on his face.
The Offense is looking potent
Romo back
Line being recharged…dead wood getting cut…
I am looking forward to watching Garrett roll out his offense.
At least they can keep us in games.
Wait
Dude in ESPN just said “Asi Nandomugha”
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Nothing happened
I just lol’ed at how badly he missed it.
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Hannah Storm and Sage Steele star in “Brett Favre is Sexting Dallas”
by Rome One on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious...
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
actually throw in cindy brunson, erin andrews, and michelle beadle
along with a re-enactement of the minnesota viking party boat scene and i might watch that. i might even buy it versus torrent downloading
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 29, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Rofl
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Stuart Scott
“I be ballin’ ya’all with Shaq on his retirement tour.”
No one cares Stuart. no one really cares.
let me guess
chris mckendry. she normally butchers everything. she makes everyone else sound remarkably unflawed from how terrible she is
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 29, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Davin Joseph just re-signed for 7 years with the buccos
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Source?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
He has said it himself on twitter
The years I got from Schefter I think
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
52 mil, 19 guaranteed
Wow big money
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Rookies are done.
Nick Eatman
The cowboys have agreed to terms with final two unsigned draft picks – Demarco Murray and Bruce Carter. All 8 picks to practice Friday.
Go Cowboyz!!!!!!
Dez is gonna beast this year!!
Melooooooo!!!!
Woo Hoo
According to Mr. Ford…Dallas is doing everything exactly the way a team should under the new CBA. aka CowBoy Agreement.
Yeah, just got done with the second post.
Jerry is doing everything right. We will hear about restructures on the fourth, watch…
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Rome One
You realize I coined that CowBoy Agreement now your going to have to pay me some Royalties
PS I just hired Mr.Ford as my Attorney
Glad to see it getting some play Thanks Again
I'd love to know the sources saying that the Cowboys might be in on Nnamdi
still some speculation that we might come in and swoop him away from the Jets or 49ers
Love to have him but
he’ll be too expensive
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
PFT keeps saying
that there’s talk the Cowboys could be in on him. Calvin Watkins just said that they like him but that he’s expensive. Schefter and others keep saying that there could be “twists”…I think somebody knows something. I dunno if it’s us or another team, but the Cowboys have been pretty quiet regarding free agents. I’m not saying anything for sure, this is all speculation. I’m just overly curious
by danielcp0303 on Jul 28, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It is curious....
I just don’t know if Dallas has the money. That’s why I feel they haven’t went nuts yet in FA. They were the highest over before the period started, and since then they’ve already resigned Doug Free and Kosier.
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I hear you
and I’m inclined to think the same things. It just all seems strange, not a lot of talk other than from the Jets about Nnamdi. Cowboys haven’t done much, other than put out some calls to a few guys. Although I think it’s because they don’t have the money, I can’t say that with certainty. Nobody seems to know how much money anybody has. Just have a weird feeling
by danielcp0303 on Jul 28, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Also keep in mind that nobody can officially be signed until tomorrow at 6 pm ET.
So until then we really don’t know for sure.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I reeaaaally hope they dont
It’s Newman’s contract all over again.
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying
And agree… Except Nnamdi has Charles Woodson-type longevity potential, not to mention Newman isn’t in the same talent galaxy.
by KeyOfZ on Jul 28, 2011 11:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Read several tweets stating Nnamdi will be a Jet
including WFAN in NY
by Bayou Cowboy on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
PFT
Has been tweeting such speculation for the past hour.
by KeyOfZ on Jul 28, 2011 11:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
PFT also had Cullen Jenkins to the Skins this morning
by Bayou Cowboy on Jul 28, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh.
The rumor that wont die. Where there’s smoke there’s usually fire.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I hope it's false
But if we do sign Nnamdi then T-New is toast.
by Bayou Cowboy on Jul 28, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's given.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
And I'm just gonna say it
While I think committing $12mil+ per to Nnamdi is dumb for us, I will HATE it if the stupid Jets sign him. For multiple reasons, but mainly because I can’t stand their asinine rhetoric, which will reach levels of untold douchebaggery if it happens.
by KeyOfZ on Jul 28, 2011 11:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't mind that.
I’m more of a put up or shut up guy, which is one of many reasons I can’t stand Jerry so much.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
What do you think about Bryan Waters to dallas to play G
Just cut from KC. A little long in the tooth 34, but a Dallas native and could be a stop gap and mentor to Arkin.
Rather just roll with Holland.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Several camp observers today
Made it a point to note how fat and out of shape Holland appeared. Fat + out of shape = injured,
Can’t rely on that dude.
by Bayou Cowboy on Jul 28, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying he'd be my first choice...
Just that I’d rather have him over a 34 year old guy that just got cut from Kansas City.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I agree...
although Bryan Walters used to be awesome. He was part of that mauling line that destroyed people for Priest Holmes.
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Used to be.
I’ll pass on used to be.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Yeah just saying...
that dude was a multiple probowler. Sad to see him go.
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He's better than Holland
For a reasonable deal he’d be a 3rd or 4th choice on my list.
Still want to pluck one of the Falcons guards.
Doug "Fresh " Free, Cowboys' newest millionaire.
by APerfectStar on Jul 28, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that Joseph is gone that's where I'm at too.
Dahl or Blalock please.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
according to PFF
he was still the 12th best guard in football last year. I feel very strongly that we need a good veteran next to Smith this year. And Holland doesn’t count.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Not pimping another site...
but Raf’s site has a pretty good breakdown of the practice today.
One note I did like, the practice had refs in it. Possibly this will help cut down on penalties.
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link?
I forgot what i twas called.
by willyoubemycharizard on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is incarceratedbob
and how does he know that Asomugha has agreed with the Jets???
Plaxico's old cell mate
he knows things
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
He apparently knows
that Asomugha has agreed with the Jets for 5 years and around 60 million. I’m just gonna go on a hunch and say I don’t believe him
by danielcp0303 on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He says
“it’s not official” lol…twitter is hilarious sometimes. Makes everybody an insider
by danielcp0303 on Jul 28, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Multiple offender...
also shared cells with Vick and the Reid brothers…
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He's full of crap.
Ignore him.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I need to see something from the front office
I know every team works differently, but the Pats have already gotten Haynseworth and Ochocinco. What are the Joneses and Garrett doing about FA so far? Everything I’ve heard sounds only half-hearted; even the Nnamdi talk.
Football Fever has begun.
Texans sign S Manning
Danieal Manning to the Texans. $20 mil deal over 4 years.
by KeyOfZ on Jul 28, 2011 11:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Darn, it is almost like Wade is determined...
to show us up by executing his predictable defense with the best talent…
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They better win a SB in the next 3 yrs
after that Wade’s D will implode. It’s his m.o.
Sounds like they’re gonna be in cap hell by then too.
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
The preseason game should be interesting...
They will probably play again like it is their SB.
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Not the worst that could happen
Manning is a good, not great, safety. His $5m/yr deal can be looked at two ways – good because it takes a little heat off the safety market from the Weddle deal… Or bad because it’s still probably too much for the safeties remaining in the “good not great” class. I think it means we see Elam and Sensabaugh back in Dallas, as Huff will command more than Manning easily.
by KeyOfZ on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Danieal Manning signed with Texans
Wow, not even Wade wants sensemaballs
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I thought it was "sesnsaballs"?
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Anything with balls on it
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL...
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Sensemaballs? Outstanding.
I paid someone to do that once!
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jul 28, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Seattle just...
…reached an agreement with former Cardinals DT Alan Branch on a two-year, $8 million deal, $4 million guaranteed (according to Adam Schefter). This surprises me, because Branch was a bust in Zona. This move also reeks of desparation.
Does that mean they’re not gonna try and re-sign DT-Brandon Mebane—and either Dallas or Denver is about to sign Mebane?
Seattle already has Red Bryant as the other DT who would probably start with Branch in their 4-3 scheme.
In essence, Branch would replace Mebane in Seattle.
I wonder if Jones & Jones are gonna sign Mebane.
Just trying to connect the dots and hypothesize, so to speak…
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
Good read.
You might be onto something.
"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.
by LDVFootball on Jul 28, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, I would love that
Even not knowing if he’d be a fit as a 3-4 DE
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by SportsDrunk on Jul 28, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The Branch signing
Is the worst contract given out so far. Sure, it’s only 2 years – but $8 mil, 50% guaranteed?? And I thought the Deadskins overpaid for a player who had done little to deserve big stacks…
by KeyOfZ on Jul 29, 2011 12:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Update from the Prof
Good thoughts, silver – but John Clayton now saying that Branch will play DE and doesn’t affect Seattle’s desire to resign Mebane as a DT.
by KeyOfZ on Jul 29, 2011 12:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
At the least they probably don't think they can sign Mebane.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
For better or worse
Brent and Geathers it seems will get their chance
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