Should The Cowboys Take A Flyer on Ex-Patriot DE Ty Warren?
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 30, 2011 9:00 AM CDT
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PrintEarlier yesterday, the Patriots released a whole slew of players, among them DE Ty Warren. His release does not come as a major surprise, as Warren has had trouble staying healthy recently and was sitting to a fairly large contract with the Patriots that would would have resulted in a cap hit in 2011 of $5,878,950.
But right on the heels of his release came this report from Charean Williams at the Star-Telegram:
A source said Warren, a Bryan High and Texas A&M product, is interested in returning home to play for either the Cowboys or the Texans.
With the Cowboys signing Kenyon Coleman just hours ago, joining the Cowboys may not be that easy, particularly since Warren is not a completely no-risk proposition.
The 30-year old Warren won two Super Bowls with the Patriots, was elected team captain by his teammates in 2007 and made named to the All Pro team that same year. Warren started 92 of 105 games while with the Patriots (missed three games in '08, four in '09) but sat out the entire 2010 season with a torn labrum in his hip that required surgery. Warren had already been cleared from the hip surgery but opened this year's Patriots training camp on the PUP list after his hamstring tightened up during Wednesday's conditioning run.
Warren could be an ideal defensive end. He wouldn't be able to join the Cowboys before August 4th anyway, but depending on how his hammy feels, could be able to jump into practices immediately. Warren is a top notch run defender and, when healthy, can cause all sorts of problems in an opponent's backfield.
Peter King from SI.com opined via twitter that Warren is willing to play for something close to the veteran's minimum in order to sign with a contender. Warren himself confirmed at least the contender part:
"I will be moving on to bigger and better things. We are sorting out and will look forward to wearing a contending NFL team jersey this fall."
Are the Cowboys a contender? Of course they are. Always. At least in the preseason. How anybody could consider the Texans a contender is completely beyond me though.
The Cowboys have re-signed Marcus Spears, have just added Kenyon Coleman and still have Igor Olshansky on the roster. While they look set on the d-line on paper, adding such an experienced player as Warren at a relatively low cost - the veteran minimum would be $810,000 for Warren - does appear enticing and could open up the possibility of trading Olshansky (cap hit $4.8 million in 2011) to Houston or perhaps Denver.
Should the Cowboys take a flyer on an experienced 3-4 end who has let it be known he would like to play in Dallas?
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I think he could be a Marc Columbo-type signing
low-risk gamble on a guy with first-round talent
For the miminum, with incentives? Do it!
by rabblerousr on Jul 30, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Gr8 addtion RKG
If you can trade Oshank for draft pick and pu a guy like Warren low risk high character WOW now this is the kind of team you want to build. He has 2 rings lots of energy can play both pass and run plus RR would love to have this guy at the min with incentivies…
We save money, get draft pick, and much better player enuff said sign this guy…
agreed
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
Sure
Olshansky is making too much, Spears is making too much, and Kenyan Coleman will probably be making too much. We’ve got to trim cost out of the DE position and Olshansky is the way to do it.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Ty Warren
Not too familiar with his overall body of work – but comes from a good system and if Rob Ryan wants him – I would say yes.
But please get at least one experienced guy for the secondary.
Worth taking the chance
Not sure what he health is now, but he was one of the best DLs in the league a few years ago, and plays in the 3-4 to boot. He’s willing to come aboard at league minimum, which is a RKG statement.
If he can still contribute, please sign him. Olshansky has zero trade value, but it would be worth it just to kick his lame, self-congratulatory dancing rear to the curb.
Igor is not a slob
But he is too limited in his skill set to really be effective in our system.
Like with his mentor Coach Aww Shucks….Time to move on.
Igor is not a slob?,
err ,have you watched his " act" not his play because that is awful.
wish we had cut his ass after the Giants beatdown-pathetic “celebration”.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That would have made me so happy
The denial in the franchise at that time was incredible. A dose of reality was desperately needed, and sacking (excuse the pun) Igor then would have been a great first step.
Please, Please...after all of the Eagles' damage to us...
Let Igor go, and it would not only be “addition by subtraction,” but it would make me soooo happy and mean that the Boys are dead serious about turning things around sooner than later.
No, rather see what daniels or any other young guy
So he’s missed 23 games in the past 3yrs? You gotta let the young guys earn there stripes sometime.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Oops - Injuries
He missed 23 games in three years!!!
There is a reason why I am not familiar with his work….
We want 16 game guys, RKG’s, High Motor guys….this guy sounds like none of the above….
Thanks for the heads up bigham
Marcus Spears
To be honest – I would have guessed Bowen first, Bowen and Hatcher second, and Spears third as far as retaining…but I am pleasantly surprised Spears stayed on board.
His run defense is solid and helps anchor the front seven….we need more and maybe Warren can be that guy, but having Ratliff and Spears is a nice surprise…
And hopefully Coleman is a different player than when he was last in Big D.
Spears settled
He had very little interest from other teams. He got almost $4 mil/yr to not have to move, play w/ a team w/ all his friends and not pay state taxes. Bowen got $10 mil more than he did for playing in Spears’ place for 1/2 a season.
Plain and simple – Spears isn’t that good and had no other options. JJ is just glad he got him so cheap after spending the the 20th overall pick on him (Logan Mankins, Barrett Ruud, Brodney Pool and Shaun Cody all went AFTER Spears).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jul 30, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you mean we settled
We basicaly had no choice with Bowen and Hatcher leaving. Spears was definately not in their plans, but they got caught with their pants down by Bowen leaving to the Redskins. I dont think they expected he would get that type of contract on the open market. I said it before as far back as draft day that DE was a real priority given that we had 3 DE free agents.
Not actually
There are other 3-4 DEs out there. Hell, Hatcher is still avail
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jul 30, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's all draft in hindsight lol,
can you see my ass?.
wow what you doing?.
kidding,hindsights a great thing.
easy to look back but we can’t rework history.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Everyone -
Think we run this whole thread without mentioning you know who?
It would be a nice refreshing thread…
Go Cowboys!
Lord Namdimort
The-DB-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named
by Becho on Jul 30, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is just fabulous
Rec’d for the moniker
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes and Dez is harry potter ,so screw you Namdimort.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait.... I thought Romo was Harry Potter?
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? No, but I have a contract hit out on the guy that is....
by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 30, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Harry faces off against Vol err Namdimort,
so it has to be Dez -the destroyer .
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo is Hermione Granger
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Is'nt she a ginger?, therefore .........
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Without a Doubt
When you look up in the dictionary under “nose tackle you cannot move”, there is a picture of Ty Warren.
There shouldn’t even be a question.
Doh. I'm thinking of Wilfork
Warren is no slouch, though
by deadrody7774 on Jul 30, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Well wouldnt be Houston better off
Just by signing Ty Warren themselves instead of trading for the mighty dancing bear olshansky?
A Good Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop tormenting me.
but the bear is a wade guy :-)
could work in our favor
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Well.....my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
Bring him in, if the price is right
i would love to have a good d-line rotation going on here in dallas
Ryan's Guys
seems to be where they are going..No one knows the defense except him so they better get his guys and a smart guy to watch real hard because this may be the only year we have Rob..He will be a head coach next year..
This sounds disturbingly correct.
"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic
With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.
by Uncle Angus on Jul 30, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I think our defense will be just okay
Unfortunately for Rob, it prolongs his tenure in Dallas by another year.
And I cannot be so certain he looks forward to reuniting with his ex-Browns — surely they were among the reasons he chose to leave.
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
he loves his players
and his players love him. the reason he left was due to the fact holmgrem wanted to change to a conventional 3-4 defense.
by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 30, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I wish the players that so loved him, and the other way round, were…better?
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
He's often injured, and is an OK DE
I live in CT, all my friends are Pats fans, and I semi-follow them cause its all thats here, and I have access to game tickets (October 16th, baby! when I want them. I’ve asked my friends, they say he’s essentially Marcus Spears.
But for league minimum? Hell yeah. I don’t know what the cap ramifications are for igor, but boot him if it works, and sign Warren. Better yet trade him for a 7th rounder to not eat the cap costs.
he’s better than Spears and has more QB sacks and pressures to prove it
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by AustonianAggie on Jul 30, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Do the right thing
Send Igor back to Wade Phillips and sign Warren. He’s a great fix until the Cowboys can draft a young stud.
I remained concerned about Safety and hope that the Cowboys can find a started at OG to replace Bigg.
Also, let’s hope one of the young receivers can truly become a 3. It reminds me of the Cowboys several years ago when Kevin Williams was their 3rd receiver and started due to injury and the fact that Alvin Harper left. Tough go. The NFL has changed and having 3 top WRs and 3 top CBs is not a luxury but a necessity.
Would be a good signing
let’s take care of the safety position first.
Ty Warren would be a good pickup
he is position diverse and could be part of DLine rotation it seems RR wants to run. A rotation of Warren, Coleman, Igor, Ratliff, Spears, Lissemore and others could be very effective. Older guys stay rested and younger guys are put in a position to succeed.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
The guy is 30 with injury problems
This doesn’t sound like a good option to me.
OCC, I love ya, but I wouldn’t agree that the Cowboys are contenders for the SuperBowl. I would say they are an outside shot to make the playoffs at this point.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
It would take a small miracle
But just wait a couple of days and you’ll see an article somewhere putting the Cowboys into the extended circle of Super Bowl candidates. New coaches, new-found purpose, reinvigorated O-line, choice FA additions ….
Heck, I might even write it myself :-)
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 30, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If you write it..
..I’m sure it will be a compelling argument.
To paraphrase a recent statement regarding JJ.
“OCC could stat a cat off of a fish wagon!’
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
JMO, we finish third in the division missing the playoffs...
8-8 I say this season.
As far as Warren. I dont think we need another old DE added to the mix. I sure hope next year they go out and get the best DE in the draft because we need an injection of youth on the line.
what do you call Sean Lissemore and Josh Brent?
come on just becuz we don’t spend 1st round picks on positions every year doesn’t mean that it gets neglected.
by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 30, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately..
… you’re probably right about the 8-8.
I thought our draft was questionable (2 injured players) Murray at a position that was not a burning issue for us… but hoped that free agency would fill those gaps. We’ve resigned some of the FA’s that won us a losing season last year, but I’m not convinced that we have kept pace with our division rivals and the acquisitions they have made in the draft and FA.
While I agree with a lot of Garrett’s changes, I would not bet any money on this team.
I hope I’m surprised but for now I have to ‘curb my enthusiasm.’
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
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$3.5 a year or $3.5 total?
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
$1.75 million a year it seems
That’s good. I’m okay with that player at that price.
Do we know the break-down of the Spears contract yet? Because if it’s equally-loaded $4 mil a year I’m pissed. But if it’s a back-loaded contract we can cut him after 3 years and not have to pay – I’m better.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Are the Cowboys a contender? Of course they are. Always. At least in the preseason. How anybody could consider the Texans a contender is completely beyond me though.
This was sarcasm right? Houston and Dallas’s offenses and defenses looked almost identical.
Houston meanwhile has added:
-JJ Watt,
-Connor Barwin (back from injury)
-Brooks Reed,
-Demaco Ryans (back from injury)
-Brandon Harris
-Jonathan Joeseph
-Dan Manning
to their defense. Houston’s defense could make a huge leap. If Dallas is a contender, how is Houston not a contender?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
+1
Houston identified it’s problem and moved with aggression to fix it. I think there will be some early hiccups transitioning to Wade’s 3-4, but if the offense continues to perform, their defense should be greatly improved on the basis of personnel alone.
Watch out, Colts
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Dallas looks like it had a definite plan on offense
The defense looks like an economy of force move, and as the weakest 1/3 of the team, it needed more than we’ve seen. This could be a painful season to watch if this is all there is.
Don't believe everything you think.
Thank you for understanding the implications for Dallas
This is a unit that was, far and away, ignored during the draft. But, I said to myself, it is way too early to judge before FA.
Well, here we are — the upper crust is gone, and I am not enthused. Too many are satisfied with Abram Elam. Motherflippin’ Abram Elam, I tell you. Seriously folks, this is a unit that needed significant improvement. Hence, the Nnamdi-lovefest. I think on some level, we all realized that this was the kind of move that could pay huge dividends. Alas.
I guess I am still in wait-and-see mode, but I was really hoping it would be better than this.
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
There's still some hope
If we get Elam at SS and Huff at FS I’m feeling better.
But, otherwise, I completely agree. A defense that was literally the worst in Cowboys history last year looks completely unchanged.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
but we changed the most important part.
the one calling the plays
by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 30, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that is being underestimated big time.
I don't know if Lee Ford is right, but if he is, Jerry Jones will go down in history as the Great Evil Genius of the NFL.
Ignored? We did spend our 2nd rounder on a ILB.
And the D has had the majority of the picks the last few years. I am betting they get the most next year also.
you forgot to mention you also added the predictability of Wade....
All the talent in the world dosn’t mean squat if you can’t take advantage of it.
by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 30, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
let me ask a question.
if Wade’s predictability was the problem, how was the defense as good as it was in 2007 and 2008?
Anyway, we’ll see this year.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jul 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Great points as usual FiTaT ,but i actually think if the D improves to mid-division,
and the offense puts up 30 points ,then we will be better than last year.
not much but it’s going to be a long haul for us.
no quick fixes,need to hit on the draft.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
if it wasn't the problem then how do you explain 2010?
blitzes picked up, corners off the wideouts 10 yards on a 3rd and 5.
I’m sorry if I seem like a Wade hater. I like the man and in all actuality I feel he is a good DC as far as X’s and O’s but his “awww shucks” attitude is what eventually doomed to this team to mediocrity. You can put the best talent in the world in the position to do well, but if you are not inspired to excell then its all for naught.
Last game in Texas Stadium against Baltimore perfect example. He called the right play to stuff the run but the players failed to accomplish the stop. TWICE.
The game against Philly 44-6. How do you go into a game with your season on the line and not even bother to show up emotionally.
Somehow I don’t think thats going to be a problem this year.
by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 30, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
if it wasn’t the problem then how do you explain 2010?
He’s my best assessment. The D has been declining since 2008. The D actually slipped in 2009 but that wasn’t widely appreciated because they didn’t allow a lot of points (points scored can be misleading … see here).
27 is typically when NFL players peak. 2008 as a peak year makes sense.
Newman was 30, Ratliff was 27, Bradie was 27, Ware was 26.
Time moves on. Every year the core of the defense is moving away from their peak and it shows in the results.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jul 30, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
let Houston make the playoffs
for the first time ever and then we’ll talk about contention
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by AustonianAggie on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you do a post on the ages of Superbowl teams?.
be interesting to read if there is a correlation between success and age.
thanks.,
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade did get more predictable. Right after Chicago scored on that long pass to the TE, Wade seemed to call off the dogs until he was canned.
But I do agree that the Cowboys need a talent infusion on defense
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And Wade Phillips is going back to the one job he is good at, which Defensive Coordinator. Houston will be much improved
I’d bet that the Texans have a better record than the Cowboys this year
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I'm taking that bet...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Cowboys better.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm w/ Sean
The Texans will be better…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jul 30, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
ok 2 bets ,
but it has to be in pounds as you guy’s are likely to default !!.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!! Dallas signed a safety
DMN says Dallas signed some RFA guy named Alan Ball. Happy days!!
Don't believe everything you think.
Not who we wanted?
OK, back to hoping for the next tweeted rumor…
Don't believe everything you think.
So...
How are your coverage skills?
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
If Alan Ball starts at safety again
I’m swearing off the Cowboys for as long as JJ is alive.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Banish the thought from mind
Smiles ahead
by accidental innuendo on Jul 30, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
You got a sniper spot picked out BED?.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
His market is drying up
Might have overplayed his hand.
After signing 2 DEs in 12-hours, it is clear that Dallas is not his future.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
If the price is right, absolutely
The guy is a Patriot and knows what it takes to win a championship, he would be an outstanding guy to have in the locker room.
In Romo we Trust
If we gan trade Igor alone, would be fantastic,
there seems to be servicable FA DE on the cheap, as a stop gaps for a year or two
Go for it
I don’t see a downside. We are adding more depth for a cheap price
Dez and Austin will light up the scoreboard!!
Stop thinking coaching will automatically improve us!
We need to add quality players and do it soon!
are they quality without coaching?.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 30, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop thinking coaching will automatically improve us!
We need to add quality players and do it soon!
Accountability = Coaching
How can anyone dismiss Coaching I think we have seen are share of talent that wasnt coached up. Think Billecheat how much does he get out of every player and misfits… Coaching not big deal PLEASE!!!
JG RR Robinson Barker will get the most out of every player mark my words we will be better with the players we have RKG’s. If the Team buys into the system watchout not to mention UDFA that will come out of nowhere.
We have enough money to bring in a S or 2 Elam Pool Sharper or Huff at the right price…
If he wants to sign for the minimum, don't see how it can be a bad move.
Gig ’em.
I don't know if Lee Ford is right, but if he is, Jerry Jones will go down in history as the Great Evil Genius of the NFL.
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