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Cowboys Offseason Headscratcher: Depth At OLB?

To begin, I’d like you to hearken back to the 2007-08 seasons, that two-year span after Anthony Spencer was drafted and before Greg Ellis was released. Spencer was the third OLB, and all the reports out of training camp was that the Cowboys were pleased, even thrilled, by their first-rounder. Consequently, most Cowboys fans felt secure that, if (God forbid) DeMarcus Ware or Ellis went down, the team had somebody in the fold who could come in and play well enough that there wouldn’t be a precipitous drop-off.

In early 2009, Ellis was released to make way for Spencer and, later that offseason, the Cowboys went fishing for a replacement with a couple of 2009 fourth-round draftees, Victor Butler and Brandon Williams. In their two years in the league (partially due to the excellent health of Spencer and Ware), Butler has contributed a little and Williams has been a non-factor. Butler has suited up for all but one game in his two-year career, during which he has collected 5 sacks, and 20 tackles, most of them on special teams. Williams has collected 3 tackles in 6 career games.

Remember 2006, when the Cowboys were sailing along after replacing Drew Bledsoe with Tony Romo? That season was derailed when Greg Ellis went down in week 10 at Arizona with a season-ending Achilles injury. Although the coaching staff was able to cover for his absence for a couple of games (including a scintillating 21-14 victory over undefeated Indianapolis), Sean Payton showed the rest of the league how to work the Dallas D in a 42-17 Saints blowout. Over the season’s final four games, the Cowboys gave up 132 points with the likes of Bobby Carpenter and Al Singleton opposite Ware.

More headscratchin' fun after the jump...

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The question for today is: what would the Cowboys do if they suffered a similar in jury in 2011? Does the defensive coaching staff trust either Butler or Williams to pick up the slack if either Spencer or Ware should be sidelined for an extended period? Heck, do they trust either of those guys to play significant snaps? If I were Rob Ryan (and I am not), even knowing that, after coaxing game performances out of a collection of linebacking retreads in Cleveland last season, I can do magic with marginal talent, I’d rest a lot easier knowing I had a solid third OLB, a version of Spencer circa 2007-08.

In fact, I’d place a higher priority on pass rush than I would on improved secondary play. There has been much debate about the root cause of the Cowboy’s defensive decline in 2010. The safety play, particularly Alan Ball’s game, has received the lion’s share of the blame, with the starting corners’ drop-off in performance also getting a juicy chunk. To my mind, the secondary’s woes can be traced to a feeble pass rush. Time and again, the defensive line was stonewalled, giving opposing signal callers plenty of time in the pocket. I’m convinced that, with a fierce pass rush, even the likes of Alan Ball could acquit himself well.

Perhaps his offseason film study has convinced Ryan that in fact one or both of the Butler-Williams combo can be the guy to spell Spencer and Ware. Butler certainly has played well in the limited playing time he has garnered; in two training camps, Williams has impressed coaches with his quick first step and acceleration off the ball.  If he’s not convinced, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see Dallas try to pick up some reliable depth. And, if they do so, I would bet it would be a known quantity, even somebody he has coached before.

Might one of his guys from the Browns be a good option? Cleveland has cleaned their coaching house and, as a result, will be switching defensive schemes, so there will likely be several ex-Browns available. The most obvious of these is Matt Roth, whose name has been tossed around a bit already. After a rather pedestrian career in Miami, mostly as a defensive end, Roth found new life in a season and a half as a Brown; in 22 games in Cleveland, he made 79 tackles and collected 7.5 sacks.

Roth is currently a free agent, and has already expressed interest in joining his ex-coordinator in Dallas. It remains to be seen what kind of salary he’ll command on the open market. Dallas certainly can’t afford to pay him starter money; if Roth will accept rotation-player dough, he would be a terrific option. Another ex-Brown who will be on the open market (and will command a lot less cash) is Jason Trusnik. Like Roth, his career turned around after coming to Cleveland after a couple of years as a bottom-of-the-roster guy with the Jets. With Trusnik, the burning question is whether he represents an upgrade over the Butlers and Williamses of the world.

If the Cowboys do want a definite upgrade, there will be options outside of Cleveland, with some familiar and not-so-familiar names. Players who make sense as 3-4 OLBs are Mathias Kiwanuka, who more or less played a rush linebacker with the Giants; Jason Babin, who blew up last year after several so-so years in Houston; Manny Lawson (who many were thinking Dallas would draft in 2006, when they took Carpenter) has plenty of experience but little production; ex-49er, Seahawk and Lion Julian Peterson has been cast out in Detroit, and a savvy veteran presence might prove to be a nice addition.

What do you think, BTBers? Are you content with the depth at OLB? Anxious for a pass-rush boost? If so, who would you like to see wearing the star in 2011?

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Agree wholeheartedly

I think we need a 3rd OLB more than we need a CB right now. That being said, it all depends on the cost of the back-up luxury. I love the leadership and versatility that Julian Peterson would bring but Manny Lawson is the target in my mind. His lack of production could lower his asking price while Rob Ryan could finally tap into his potential which went largely wasted in San Fran.

by stavypapa on Jul 5, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Butler...

will thrive in Ryan’s D. The big knock on him was his performance against the run and pass coverage responsibilities. He was all pass rush and not much more. I believe he showed improvement in those departments last season. I could see him as a Spencer replacement IF he continues to show improvement.

B. Williams has shown flashes but can never stay healthy or consistent. He could be one of the biggest losers in the shortened off season.

Matt Roth would be nice insurance against Spencer possibly leaving in FA after the season. But, as Rabble pointed out, it would have to be at the right price and he would have to be willing to accept a rotational role.

Not really interested in Manny Lawson. He’s always struck me as a JAG. I don’t see him as an improvement over Spencer.

Kiwanuka, Babin and Peterson don’t give me warm fuzzies since they’d have to convert from 4-3’s to Ryan’s 3-4. It’s hard enough for some 4-3 DE’s to make the conversion as it is. Through in the conversion to the more complex Ryan 3-4 and I could see any of them struggling mightily throughout the 2011 season…maybe longer. Just not worth the gamble for the money they could demand elsewhere in a 4-3 scheme.

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by lonewolfz28 on Jul 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Pass on Manny Lawson

Th guy has all the athleticism and size, but he’s garbage on the field. He can’t get to the QB. In my opinion there are only 3 players I’d like from that overrated 49ers defense: Patrick Willis (never going to happen), Abreo Franklin (DT-would allow Ratliff to play end), Taylor Mays (I like his potential at SS).

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by Rohpuri on Jul 5, 2011 11:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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by Archie Barberio on Jul 5, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Options abound

I must say that I really like Butler and Williams may play better for RR, but that whole 2009 draft class was a bust, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Willians doesn’t pan out. You’d think that Lawson would be available with the pick of A Smith. I think RR could really change him around and he could turn out to be a steal. I’m sure Ryan’s previous players are all really well known quantities, so if he wants any of them at the right price, I’d feel confident. I’m less enthused about the others, Babin and Kiwanuka can play, but may be too costly. Peterson is passed his prime and would be a short term signing at best.

by pfloyd1 on Jul 5, 2011 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

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by HudBaby on Jul 5, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

as the 3rd OLB

mainly in pass rush situations? i dont see a risk.

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're going to be capped out

why not go with Butler and Williams with RR coached up? IMO, they have shown enough promise to merit a backup slot, plus we don’t have to pay any more money.

Are any of the above mentioned guys a REAL upgrade over our two backups? I say no.

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by HudBaby on Jul 5, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Butler is great

I’m interested to see what becomes of Brandon Williams in Rob’s world. I get he feeling like Wade protected Brandon Williams like Jason Williams because he was perhaps. Wade draft pick. I’m interested to see how Brandon performs now that he’s going to be viewed without rose colored glasses. Will he rise to the occasion and demonstrate his speed, or will he fall off the roster

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 5, 2011 12:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree...Butler is a player

All he needs is a chance and opportunity and I really think he’ll deliver.

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by Terry on Jul 5, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

+57

The few times he’s had to shine on field he does it, plus he gives everything he’s got on ST to stay in the game and to keep up with his peers. I like this guy alot and given increased field time and RR to Coach him up just a bit he could really shine for Spencer. If Ware goes down with an injury (knock on wood) God forbid noone will be filling that void. There will be a signifacant drop no matter who we got, but Butler is our best chance I think. Keep what we got their cheap and we could use the help on the DLine much more IMO.

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by Cowboys_Attack on Jul 5, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will guess that we roll

with what we have at OLB this year, it is the magical year 3 for butler and williams, so give then their shot

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by BigBad Joe on Jul 5, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I would agree

I just don’t think there is much in the way of upgrading the position without having to pay dollars we can’t afford to spend.
As excited as I was at the potential for Brandon Williams, he hasn’t showed much of what I saw him do at TTech.

If we could get someone at a bargain price, I wouldn’t mind adding one of these guys. However, we better fill the glaring needs we already have on the roster before we worry about too many other positions.

by RE1D on Jul 5, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

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by HudBaby on Jul 5, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROTFLMFAO

one of the funnier articles I’ve read in a while!

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by HudBaby on Jul 5, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

you could easily replace the title

Trafficking for dummies: Your guide to smarter narcotics dealing

or

Laundering and Embezzlement for dummies: Your guide to smarter tax evasion

lmao. i was saying to myself you could watch The Wire and learn most of this stuff in correlation to committing crimes without a trace and then in step 6 he references it.

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha great read!

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 5, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like butler. dude has a motor

there was game he had to fill in. i think against carolina and he had two sacks in one half.

but ware and spencer have been so healthy especially given the history injuries of cowboys LB’s before them, its hard for butler to get on the field in addition to backing up one of the best players at his position in the league

hopefully rex has some nice nickel or jumbo 34 fronts that can get him on the field more

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 3:44 PM CDT reply actions  

wait a minute

couldn’t the same thing be said about LT position? what if Doug Free goes down? yeah, we have smith, but who will man the right? what if Groude goes down? do you really trust Costa or should I take you back to the Johnson years. what if Rat goes down? do you really trust anybody else being able to produce there?

the fact is that you can’t have depth in every position on the team. the fact is that we don’t know about many of these guys until they step on the field. Ware is not easily replaceable. he is the 12th best player in the league (as ranked by players). you can’t replace that easily. what if peyton manning goes down!!! what if Brady goes down (he did and his back up stepped up).

in the age of salary cap you take chances. you have to. we are deep at WR, RB and TE. I venture to say we are deep at CB (but over all we are not good, which is a different story).

we would love to be deep at OLB. but lets not forget about MLB or saftey or OL, or DL, on and on and on…..

by CowboysFanatic on Jul 5, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

OLB doesn't concern me as much as others

Now if Rat or Free goes down? Start your mock drafts early because you won’t have to do a lot of homework on the top prospects.

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by 5Blings on Jul 5, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

idk

If we lost Ware, I would start my draft prep ASAP

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by Archie Barberio on Jul 5, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

as much as I love Rat

I believe Brent could be a damn good NT for us

Free goes down, IF we resign him, yeah thats not a good look but thats why we have a supposed future LT, that means Sam Young at RT, how bad could he really be? Cant be worse than Columbo was there last year

we lose Ware, we are royally f’d

Spencer would disappear even more, Butler I love but do I bank on him starting? idk
Brandon Williams will get cut, thats my big camp cut right there

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by Archie Barberio on Jul 5, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ware is our defense right now

All due respect to the Rat, of course.

Our secondary is the second-worst in the league
Our DEs are dunces
and our ILBs are so old they have to wear life alerts on the field.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 5, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

Has “scrubb” written all over his forehead. I’ve never seen one practice rep where he looked like anything—let alone in an actual game (7-on-7, 11-on-11, or a preseason game).

Sam Young makes me worry about whether Houdson Houck has lost it at times

by ChuckCowboy on Jul 5, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree OLB is a minor concern

relative to Fill in the Blank who is currently starting for us at either Safety position or Players to be Named along the DL.

C’mon DAL doesn’t restock old, worn out or missing players until, well way too late in the program. Looking for players prior to the crisis du jour is something other teams do.

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by tdships on Jul 5, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

sign Cullen Jenkins

and logan Mankins and it’s a road map to the playoffs. Provided they’re able to sign Free.

by Jaymanburlington on Jul 5, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

sign mankins lose free

Free is going to cost us big money and with our backs against the projected salary cap wall some players are going to have to be very good team players and willingly restructure their contracts for us to have wiggle room.

by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 5, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mankins will cost more than he's worth

A great player, but he’ll end up under-performing an insane contract somewhere in the league this year… let someone else take the cap hit.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 5, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a strange suspicion

that before its all said and done Bruce Carter ends up outside. Just such an explosive, athlete, natural rusher.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jul 5, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Can he carry the weight?

If so, he’d be a nice fit….

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by dunkman on Jul 5, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

well according to Draft Scout

he is 6-2 243….so right now he is “undersized” slightly for OLB…..more in the Height department than weight though…..Dallas’ OLB’s are ~6-5, 250-260lbs……so he is a true “tweener”… height is great for ILB…but weight wise is leaning more to OLB…..

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by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 5, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As an OLB, I wouldn't worry about the height

Harrison from the Steelers is 6 foot at best and he’s a defensive terror on the outside

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by Terry on Jul 6, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

not saying that he would be good...

just saying that as far as Dallas goes he would be “undersized” height wise I actualy think that it would be a good thing…less height= easier to get leverage…

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 6, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

wouldn't be good that is....

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 6, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ware also has Speed

He’s so fast sometimes he gets flagged for being offside when he is really not

by Antonio S on Jul 6, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

playoff game against the giants...

first drive they scored on he was flagged….replay clearly showed him moving after the ball was hiked about an inch….he either guessed the snap count or the refs just didn’t think he could move that fast….

by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 7, 2011 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

OLB is not a need IMO

If better pass rushers is what the ‘Boys need they should think about an upgrade at defensive end. I know 3-4 DE’s aren’t supposed to light up the stat sheets, but it seems like our DE’s don’t do anything. Cullen Jenkins is a 3-4 DE and he had 7 sacks last year, and is a free agent! Butler has been solid, no need for an upgrade at OLB.

by oregoncowboy on Jul 6, 2011 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I know the lockout has caused writers to dig deep in the well for stories, but this is getting embarrassing...

On the list of worries about the Cowboys, this one doesn’t rank very high. In fact, over the past couple of months I’ve read one post after another about how we need to get this player and that player or we can forget about being really competitive. News flash to those that haven’t been paying attention, but we’ve been pretty competitive for a few years now. In fact, we’ve even had brilliant flashes of greatness in each of the past 4 years. Our problem is that we can’t seem to sustain the high play. This my fellow BTB’ers is about coaching. We’ve got good ownership that isn’t afraid to spend money. A scouting department that does a good job when we follow their suggestions. A solid group of core players on both sides of the ball. The Cowboy’s infrastructure is a good one…perhaps even one of the best ones in the league. Based on everyting I’ve seen and heard, I have high hopes that Garrett can get the most out of our players.

by CaliFanInTx on Jul 6, 2011 3:41 AM CDT reply actions  

If you read the article, you'd see that

it’s not about needing to get a certain player. Its about depth at the second-most important position after quarterback: pass rusher. Good 3-4 teams have three OLBs who can pressure the QB, so they can rotate them and wear down OLs, and so they are insured in case of injury. If you don’t worry what will happen if Ware or Spencer go down for a few games, more power to you. I do.

This isn’t about the starting 22 being competitive; its about the team staying competitive after injuries take some of them down—as Green Bay was last year. On that level, Dallas cannot compete.

by rabblerousr on Jul 6, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep
as Green Bay was last year. On that level, Dallas cannot compete.

was it 6 opening day starters on IR at the end of the year…..it is like getting two draft classes, the starters back from IR and the current class

The depth of GB reminds me alot of what the cowboys had when Jimmy put those SB teams together……it is a little scary

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by BigBad Joe on Jul 6, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you give GB too much credit...they won the Superbowl last year so they must do everything better, right?

Don’t get me wrong, I think GB is going about their business the right way…building primarily through the draft and only bringing in free agents sparingly. That’s what good teams do…it has always seemed to be the most effective formula.

But let’s not move them into dynasty status just yet. They came close to missing the playoffs last year, and got on a run at the right time…doesn’t it remind you eerily like the Giant’s run in 2007? How many times has the Giant’s sniffed the Superbowl in the last 3 years?

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by CaliFanInTx on Jul 6, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did read the article...and your focus was on quality depth.

I understand that the 3 most important positions on any team are QB, Edge Rusher, and Left Tackle…it’s obvious because these are usually the highest paid players. But I submit to you that with the advent of the salary cap era, free agency making it difficult for good players to remain with teams for their entire career, and roster limits at 53…true quality depth will never be what it was in the 70’s, 80’s, or even part of the 90’s. Do you remember the changes in the 90’s that cut short the Cowboy’s dynasty? Every team in the NFL has weaknesses, even the best ones…if Green bay loses Clay Matthews (same for Pittsburgh with Harrison), they’re in deep sh*t…the following article from their blog shows how mediocre their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th OLB’s are after Matthews…they think our castoff Walden is a find…so much for those thinking our drafting sucks and GB’s is superior…

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2011/3/2/2024447/examining-the-2011-green-bay-packers-outside-linebackers

How about the other top 3-4 teams last year…San Diego and the Jets? Name their edge rushers…not exactly a heady group. They do it with creative coaching. Scheme does matter. It matters with all the top teams. Great coaches hide their deficiencies, and accentuate their strengths. Which gets back to my response to your article…coach your own players up…that’s what GB did…If you admire GB so much, why would you deviate from their position of trying to get better from within by upgrading through free agency?

by CaliFanInTx on Jul 6, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

"If you admire GB so much, why would you deviate from their position of trying to get better from within by upgrading through free agency?"

Because they draft much better than Dallas does. Its easy to get better from within when you find four or five solid players for six consecutive years.

by rabblerousr on Jul 6, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

It is your "opinion" that they draft better, I could make arguments to the contrary, and I think I made at least 1 with Walden.

GB was 7-9 2 years ago…but when they picked up Raji and Matthews in the draft following that debacle (because they were so god awful they picked pretty high), and they picked up Capers to run their defense (even though he is a Garrett guy and was ready to sign with the Cowboys as a consultant) they elevated their game. Do you think we may have improved ourselves this year with our high draft picks?

Look at the individual position groups of the Cowboys versus the Packers…in which position group are they substantially better? Look at the comments and opinions of Cowboy opposing players, they seem to think we draft good players. Yes, GB won the Superbowl, and they deserved to win, but let’s not make them into a juggernaut of a team until they show they can do it again. The exact same comments made about the Packers this off season mirror those heaped on the Saints the year prior. What happened to them?

In any case, the point I was trying to make is still there…we can both agree that the best teams improve from within and not through free agency. If, as you say, the Cowboys don’t draft well, then we need to establish that and make changes to our Scouting department. We are finally starting to follow our draft board the last 2 years (and especially this year under the Garrett regime)…if the players we selected in this period bust out then I will accept your claim that we can’t draft, but historically when we have stuck to our draft board and not gotten cute, we do pretty well. You are advocating treating the symptoms, not the disease, by pressing for free agency. Free agency should be used as temporary stop gaps, but the majority of the guys you’ve listed probably aren’t looking to be the 4th or 5th OLB…I don’t see any of those guys being better that our top 3…Ware, Spencer, and Butler. If you are right about our drafting, I don’t want to be in this same situation 3-4 years down the line.

I will reiterate my main point…the talent is there…we need to better coach our players up.

by CaliFanInTx on Jul 6, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

drafting isn't the problem

While I would agree that it could be better or that we have had some awful drafts in the past, I would have to agree with Cali in that the problem mainly has been coaching. If our scouting staff was horrible we would never find such a great assortment of undrafted free agents that make our team. Our problenm has been in cultivating the talent that we do bring in becuz we are blinded by contract numbers, athletic ability, measurables. Becoming too fixated on any one of those issues means that someone who can move up and play is left in the shadows. All this talk about what we need in free agency and at least one half of the coaching staff doesn’t really know what he has to work with. I think that defensively aside from a couple of minor additions for depth or competition what you see is what we will have this year. Ryan has to learn who is right for his scheme and who isn’t. Why replace a part that isn’t broken. Butler is fine as a backup/wave player. Williams might surprise this year after having a full year to comeback from his knee injury that robbed him of his rookie season. If it were me I’d save the money and let the safeties we have on roster fight it out to see if they can handle it. You never know until you give them a shot. All this talk about how they’ve never shown anything or they have never played. Sometimes you just have to give them their chance to see if the spotlight is too bright. Sendejo from what I understand was tearing it up in the UFL and while it is a lower level of competition at least he was playing and learning from NFL head coaches. AOA was drafted as the heir apparent. We keep hearing about his atheletic ability and his smarts. Let him show it in a game situation. We bring in a Huff then we are basically relegating them to the bench or special teams for their career simply becuz “they’ve never played”. Huff to me isn’t that good of a choice. While Ryan was DC in Oakland he benched Huff for whatever reason. First round pick didn’t see the field. Now all of a sudden he is playing great in a contract year?…how many times have we heard that. The best choice for us to bring in at any level for safety purposes is the player we never should have let go to begin with in Abram Elam. Knows the defense, cheaper than Huff will be, and also is familiar with some of the players already on the team so chemistry is already present, just needs to be reestablished.

by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 7, 2011 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

dude...

the Enter button is your friend….just saying…..

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 7, 2011 4:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hold up, Padnuh

you say the cowboys draft well and then admit that its only in the last two years that they’ve followed their draft board. The truth is that this is a schizophrenic drafting team, one that changes their drafting philosophy every season.

And I cant believe that you think the Cowboys have drafted anywhere near as well as the Packers the last five or six years or that their talent is comparable. That is insane. That Packers team is the deepest I’ve seen since the ’93 Cowboys. Sure, our starters might be comparable at lots of positions, but their depth is overwhelming.

They lost an amazing number of starter’s games to injury last season and still won it all. There is absolutely no way that Dallas could have done that, even with good coaching.

And the problem is not scouting; its management. Jerry Jones is too ADD to stick to a long-term plan.

by rabblerousr on Jul 14, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most teams draft better than we do

That’s the sad truth.

Is there a worse draft on record than our 2009 haul?

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Jul 11, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry for the length.....

maybe I should write a post and tell you how I really feel…….

by TruBluToTheCore on Jul 7, 2011 3:54 AM CDT reply actions  

in the 34 defense the OLBs are a must have.

Ware is the best in the NFL but he could be even better if they had someone opposite of him that could get pressure on the QB. Spencer has been a huge disapointment except for a handful of games & if he doesnt get the job done this year then something has to change. Spencer has zero burst on his 1st step & if you look at his short shuttle times you’ll see he’s slower then Igor. very few OLBs make it in the NFL being that slow.
 i dont know a lot about Butler or Williams but this defense could use all the help at OLB without breaking the bank. i would put Safety, DE & possibly a tier 2 FA on the OL before OLB.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Jul 8, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

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