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Cowboys vs. Broncos Film Review: Ryan's Defense Stumbles, Rookies Shine

The best part about the preseason, even if it isn't perfect and sometimes is nearly unwatchable, is that these games are real. This is real football, even if most of the game is played with players on the field who have little to no shot of actually making the football team. It's a great test, however, and we're able to start to get a feel for how these players are able to carry over the lessons learned in training camp practices and apply them when the game lights come on.

One of the biggest emerging stories heading into this game was the battle for the third running back position. With Tashard Choice out for most of training camp so far, reports coming from San Antonio were saying that Lonyae Miller was coming on strong and would be pushing Choice for that third spot. When I watched him at camp he displayed stunning quickness and would hit the hole hard and fast, using an aggressive slashing technique that is reminiscent of what made all those Broncos backs great a few years back. Yet that was in practice, when the game was only being played at about 80% max. 

Unfortunately, Miller could not carry over that aggression to the game. Given a few chances to run behind the starting offensive line and the second unit, Miller finished with just 11 yards on nine carries. He was tentative hitting the hole and showed little of the speed that had heads turning down in San Antonio. Holes along the line of scrimmage are only open for so long in the NFL and Miller failed to take advantage of a prime opportunity. He also was underwhelming in pass protection and did little, in this game, to really threaten Choice for that final spot.

This is why the games are played, even if they can get a bit boring from time to time. Miller did not rise to the occasion, while Philip Tanner averaged nearly five yards a carry on nine runs in the second half. Miller was not the only player to show a big difference between training camp and this game, with some players showing more than expected while others were overall a bit disappointing.

More after the jump.

Star-divide

For the Dallas Cowboys, this was the first chance for Rob Ryan to get a good look at what his defense would start to look like. He stayed fairly conservative throughout the game and only on occasion came with a heavy blitz. The Broncos and Cowboys must have discussed this beforehand, as both teams decided to get creative with their defenses from time to time and actually challenge the offenses for both sides with a number of heavy blitzes throughout the game. 

A skeleton of what Ryan's defense would become was on show during the only series with the starters on the field. Several plays had the linebackers drop back into coverage at the last second, sometimes with the inside linebacker and on one play both Ware and Anthony Spencer fell back into coverage. In a scheme like Ryan's, however, the secondary must remain disciplined and not have simple mistakes allow players to run free downfiield.

On Orton's big play on third down, the Cowboys brought heavy pressure up the middle and had several players beat their blocks and get into the backfield. Gerald Sensabaugh was caught looking into the backfield, however,  and missed a wide open tight end coming free. With the defense playing man coverage on the play, Sensabaugh missed a simple assignment on a hot read by the offense and allowed a big gain on third down. 

While we could get a bit of a feel for the scheme, it's tough to really lay judgement after just two weeks of practice. The starting safeties only had a handful of practices under their belts before this game and I have to believe the breakdown is due more to rust than a flaw in the scheme or the players. Later in the game the safeties played much better aside from a simple mistake by Barry Church on a play-action pass.

We can still judge the individual players, however, and the first drive was a good example of how it matters very little what scheme is being used if the defensive linemen cannot win their battles. Lack of a any sort of push by the defensive line allowed the Broncos linemen to get to the second level of the defense with ease. This hampered the linebackers from playing aggressive in the run, with Broncos linemen getting upfield and opening up wide lanes for their backs. On several plays the running back wasn't touched until three yards down field.

Just like Miller, Josh Brent failed to show the positive progress he had made in training camp. Brent's game is much different than that of Ratliff, and he uses his power and motor to cause disruption along the line. That was not on display last night as he was easily pushed off the point of attack by a single blocker, allowing the Broncos to open up with several big runs.

It's not all bad news, however. This was just one series, the very first of the preseason. While the individual shortcomings are worrisome, there were several good signs from the backups. Sean Lissemore was pushed around at times yet showed an ability to get into the backfield on a regular basis. Jason Hatcher was absolutely beastly and for nearly an entire drive was near unblockable. Seeing the way that Igor Olshansky was manhandled on that first drive, I wonder if we'll be seeing more of Hatcher and Lissemore in the future.

What I don't want to happen is for Cowboys fans to overreact and freak out over one series by the starting defense. No Terence Newman, no Mike Jenkins, no Ratliff and Sensabaugh and Elam playing their first game together with just a handful of practices. Yeah, it's frustrating to see mistakes but I never expected them to be perfect. It's tough not feel discouraged, especially with what happened last season, but it was just one series.

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For this game, there were several key points I wanted to pay attention to. While I would love to go through and grade each player individually, I wanted to really focus on a couple of areas that will be important for the Cowboys this season, and not just important for depth or the chances of some fringe player becoming the 53rd player on the roster.

Rookie offensive linemen:

This was the biggest positive for the Cowboys from this game, even more so than Stephen McGee's clutch plays throughout the game. There is a very good chance the Cowboys will be playing two rookies on the offensive line when the season starts against New York. The Cowboys made a late change on the line in preparation for this, moving Kyle Kosier to right guard so that David Arkin and Tyron Smith weren't playing against each other.

In their first real NFL action, I must say that there was nothing but encouraging play from both rookies.

The knock on Arkin, supposedly, is that he's a raw talent that needs more time with the strength coach to build up his ability to drive and sustain blocks. He's a very smart lineman, however, and he's mobile; while his strength supposedly isn't where it would need to be he's able to make up for it in other areas. In every play I broke down with Arkin at left guard, I only saw him get beat once -- and he wasn't even really beat. Arkin failed to turn his block to the inside which led to a short loss on a running play designed to go behind his block.

Other than that, Arkin looked like a starting NFL lineman. He consistently was able to drive his man downfield in the running game, showing great jump off the snap and good strength while engaging a defender. With Doug Free at his side, the Cowboys were not afraid to run behind left guard and the biggest running play of the day -- an 18-yard burst by Felix Jones -- came right behind a block by Arkin. I did not see Arkin get beat once in pass protection and he showed good awareness against several blitzes, even if they weren't all that exotic.

Tyron Smith is just incredible to watch. The fact that this young man doesn't turn 21 until December is astounding, as he resembled a veteran lineman both against the run and in pass protection. If he was able to get his hands on a defender, he wasn't going to be beat. He showed great recovery ability as well - even if he didn't get a full block on a speed rush to the outside he was able to fall back and get enough on the rusher so as not to allow a real threat against the pass.

The Cowboys didn't run any stretch plays or screens to his side of the field so I wasn't able to see his foot-speed in action, something I was really looking forward to. What did stand out was how Smith was able to easily engage and block Elvis Dumervil, one of the premier pass rushers in the NFL, who finished with just a single assisted tackle in limited minutes. The Broncos ran stunts and blitzes to his side and he was able, with the help of Kosier, to read the play and pick up the appropriate rusher.

It wasn't all perfect, however, as Smith showed a bit of a weakness. On two occasions he came out of his stance instantly opening up wide, which allowed the rusher to get free inside and into the pocket. Both times, the rusher went by Smith untouched as he was set up outside and the rush came right up the middle. These are simple mistakes, made by a rookie in his first game and are are easily correctable. 

Battle Of The Receivers

It always feels good to see that what you observed in camp and practice was not a fluke.

Throughout camp we kept hearing about Raymond Radway, a big receiver with outstanding speed who was turning heads in San Antonio. When I attended camp, I saw a very young and raw receiver who had trouble running routes and had trouble catching the ball, even if he was a big and fast guy. Cowboys fans were excited about his potential and there have been many calling for him to make the team, even though he had yet to suit up for an actual game.

On Thursday, Radway showed us the good and the bad he can bring to the field. He is a very smooth and fast runner and had a couple of very nice kick returns. He also was able to get open across the middle for a touchdown reception, although I'd say it's not very impressive to catch a ball that hits you right between the numbers. After that catch, Radway showed us just how raw he really is. Several times McGee looked his way, yet Radway had run the wrong route or stopped on his route -- and on one occasion didn't even run a route -- he just ran and then stopped, before mis-timing his jump to miss a high but catchable ball.

On the other hand, Dwayne Harris showcased why he's the rookie receiver to be truly excited about. He knows how to get open and he catches everything, to go along with good speed in the open field. He's the future slot receiver on this team and there's a good chance he pushes Kevin Ogletree for playing time when the season starts. His route running is still raw but he has that natural instinct any receiver needs when working the middle of the field and he knows where to go in order to get open. His leaping snag for the game-winning touchdown on 4th down is a perfect example of just how good he can be.

Harris is going to get time as a kick returner and fill-in punt returner and he does a good job on special teams as a whole. He's just a pure football player, and that's the difference between him and Radway. I know many like to compare Radway to Miles Austin, but he's much more raw than Austin was at this stage and there was a very good reason that Bill Parcells kept six receivers in 2006. I highly doubt that Radway forces that issue on Garrett, although there is plenty of preseason left.

Who wins the fullback job?

I don't know. Chris Gronkowski played with the first and second units while Shaun Chapas played primarily with the third. Both showed decent pop in the running game and both showed the ability to be useful in the passing game. To be honest, in this game, nether did anything to distinguish themselves from the other and both looked nearly identical in how they played.

Both Chapas and Gronkowski have a good ability to lead into the hole and get a decent block, but neither has that resounding "pop" you'd like to have from your lead blocker. Both are able to stand up the rusher yet neither seems capable of really driving through the block. There were no missed assignments from either, however, and at this point it seems as though it's Gronkowski's job to lose. He just looked to be the most comfortable one out there.

Various other thoughts:

-- I thought that Alex Albright was disappointing. This was a guy who stood out day after day in camp, yet he finished with just two tackles and failed to play with the speed and aggression he showcased in camp. 

-- On the other hand, Kenwin Cummings took full advantage of extended playing time against the second unit of the Broncos. He was aggressive, fast and physical at the point of attack and was everything you'd want from a backup ILB. He looked like Sean Lee at times on the field, which is far from a bad thing.

-- Jesse Holley may be a special teams darling, but he did little to establish himself as a receiver. He was solid, but on a night when Harris was incredible, just being solid might not be enough. The good news is that there doesn't seem to be much competition for that 5th receiver spot, unless you count Radway.

-- Stephen McGee is a very accurate passer when he decides to calm his feet and stand strong in the pocket. Good job by Jason Garrett in getting him out of the pocket at times, as he is suddenly a very accurate passer when he's on the run.

-- Felix Jones looks to be back to his old, speedy self. Great burst both between the tackles and in the open field.

-- Tough to really judge the corners in this game, but Josh Thomas had a couple of "welcome to the NFL" moments. He was tentative with his aggression at times and allowed too much space for the receivers, yet also showcased great ability to react to the ball and make a play on the pass. 

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Okay move along.

With the short yardage game that is.

by liquidblake on Aug 12, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Miller is not the RB you're looking for. . .(jedi wave)

This isn’t the RB we’re looking for. Okay move along.

by liquidblake on Aug 12, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

You need to share what you're smoking.

I’m talking about Tanner, move along fool.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Aug 12, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

@ DIRE WOLF

I hear that he needs to Puff Puff PASS

"Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play." ~ D.D. Lewis

by California805Cowboy on Aug 13, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

he means we’ll move along in the short yardage game

/spoiling the joke

by somebodyquiet on Aug 12, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tanned seems more shifty than power…better vision than Lonyae, but worse is pass protection

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tanner looked like he ran MAD

I’m on record having Miller as my Pet Cat. My cat hid under the sofa last night. He had one good blitz pickup and was owned on another when he engaged his block but was pushed into the pocket for a definate pressure. Did he even run the rock? Didn’t look like it. Tanner ran angry and was a tough down. I saw him miss one blocking assignment that led to a McGee sack. Like DC Nation sais, you can teach pass protection as long as a guy wants to work at it. College football just doesn’t place an emphasis on RBs pass protecting.

Definately advantage Tanner!

Leadership is the ability to influence a man to either give his life or take the life of another willingly and with the confidence that what's asked of him is within his ability to do and that his well-being was the first priority of his superior's decision.

by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what she said.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Aug 12, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can teach pass protection but a rb without vision is worthless.

Tanner looked like the better player in the game

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tell that to Tashard Choice

Dude still can’t block.

A Good Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop tormenting me.

by SportsDrunk on Aug 12, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fans have to realize that the defense is a work in progress

and they’re definitely going to look bad and give up points in September and October, however, once they start to learn Ryan’s scheme’s better and play instinctively and instead of thinking, the defense should get much better going into November and December.

The offense will need to carry the team early on and I’m very confident they will.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Bunch of dline issues

At first drive are Igor bad play…secondary also a work in progress. In the end they find’t allow a TD. Like you said they’ll improve as the year goes on. I am not too worried. There were certainly good signal too.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

why is Igor even out there?

he didn’t stuff the run very good & thats the strong part of his game.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

It used to be eye-gore now it's bye-gore

Bada-bum

I’ll be here all week. Try the veal, tip your waiter.

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by HudBaby on Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Igor was owned but Hatcher was tremendous

I was disapointed in Lissmore because he disapeared last night.

In fairness to Igor, he got some push on passinf downs. He just didn’t hold at the point of attck in the run game. Did Lissmore even play???

Leadership is the ability to influence a man to either give his life or take the life of another willingly and with the confidence that what's asked of him is within his ability to do and that his well-being was the first priority of his superior's decision.

by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't get to watch the game out here in SF. Think replay is on tonight on NFL

Network. Curious, how did Spears look? Did he play and if so was he any good? Troubling about lack of D line push. Hope it’s due to unfamiliarity with scheme.

Wish you were here

by pfloyd1 on Aug 12, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

gee,

why did your sig change?

wouldn’t it be good to keep it as a reminder of how utterly far off you are?

“I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and Stephen Bowen can ball!” – Kegbearer

I mean you wrote a whole post about how Dallas should draft an OL because there would be so many FA DL available

except the opposite happened … Dallas actually lost their best DL in FA. Here we are 6 months later and half the sig is ridiculous. Maybe that should tell you something?

and now … the way the pre-season is going, Spencer may not even be in the starting lineup. It’s gonna be hard for him to get 7 sacks if Butler takes his spot.

so i’d say keep the sig as it was … maybe it can be a reminder to be a little less certain of your opinions.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fiesty

I change my AIG because player is no longer a Cowboy and you call him our lost best dline and then talk about me being too certain? Huh
Butler will see reps. But Spencer will still get his. How about we wait until things pan out.
How did the opposite happen? We drafted oline and looks good, and dline was fa pickups. Am I missing something?

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 10:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh right. Dallas solved their DL problems with Kenyon Coleman.

Your argument was that you could upgrade the DL in FA (here’s your list:Haloti Ngata, Shaun Ellis, Cullen Jenkins, Aubrayo Franklin, Paul Soliai, Richard Seymour). It wasn’t that you could sign some Joe Schmoe defensive lineman. Teams can always sign some journeyman player.

That’d be like if Dallas had drafted DL and picked up Corey Procter as a FA OL, and then me saying ‘see I was spot on, Dallas upgraded the OL in FA’.

LMAO

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spears and Hatcher…who I think will be sarters were also FA. We didn’t have money for other big names. Oline in draft…seems I was right. Bowen can ball and was given big money by Skins…seems I was right. You don’t like Spencer but I am a true believer…we shall see in time.
Dline looked bad without Ratliff, and with Igor. Give it some time. Still don’t see why you think I had ridiculous opinions.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

we had $ to pay NNmadi but no other players?

if i remember correct Jerry said he had the money to sign any player

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry says a lot of things

You will notice we also didn’t rework Romo’s contract yet, just Ware and Miles. That is a good thing and won’t push future cap space to the limit.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right on Keg

I also think that without Rat, the Bronco’s didn’t have to double him, so they were able to pick and choose who they picked on. That was mostly Igor.

Leadership is the ability to influence a man to either give his life or take the life of another willingly and with the confidence that what's asked of him is within his ability to do and that his well-being was the first priority of his superior's decision.

by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tyron Smith looks like a great pick, just saying

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 12, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

FITAT you're often fairly sensible but now... WOAH!

He said that he believed that we should solve our OL problems using the draft as there were many FA options at DL. The problem was money. The guys you mentioned were there we just weren’t willing to spend the money on them. Just like we weren’t will/able to spend the money on ANY top player in FA. So that being the case if I had to choose between having Tyron Smith and “some journeyman player” at DE, over having JJ Watt and “some journeyman player at OT” I would take the former. And regardless of what my opinion is it’s my opinion. What keg said made sense and the OPPOSITE didn’t happen. What are you even reading?

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I read the article again to see if I can gain some understanding of your perspective

but the more I read it the less you make sense. The debate was whether to use a high pick on OT and big money on DL or the other way around. He was saying that based on the people that would be available in the draft and in FA that going the route of OT in the draft and big money on DL in FA makes more sense. What THERE do you disagree with?

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

here’s what I was writing at the time ..

This argument actually irritates me.

"There are great DL therefore we should draft OL."

Great DL will be drafted early. You actually have to decide if you want to take a great DL or if you think Tyron Smith is great, a great OL. But don’t get to cop out and say ‘oh, I’ll get a great OL and a great DL in the 2nd round’. You won’t. You’ll get Marcus Spears 2.0. So own up to it.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that argument and ESPECIALLY when it's related to the draft.

But answer this question for me. Would you say that there was a better player at the #9 pick?

Secondly you make your team better through the draft AND FA so it’s part of the process. If it’s a toss up I think you go with where there is the most value available. No matter what anyone says including polian he takes both BPA and Need into consideration. I think the best teams just lean much more heavily on BPA. If you JUST lean on BPA you could end up in trouble. By the fifth year you’ve drafted a WR you’ll find yourself next to in “Matt Millenville”. The ONLY issue that people kept bringing up with him is that he kept drafting WR’s. It wasn’t that people didn’t expect those wide receivers to be successful when drafted. It was just that he kept drafting them with his first pick that have led MANY to say that he was a TERRIBLE GM.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

look, in general, I have a problem with people who promise you can have it both ways.

someone told me once, a politician that promises a tax cut without saying what spending he’s going to cut isn’t worth listening too. And a politician that promises a spending increase without saying what taxes he’s going to raise isn’t worth listening too either.

I’d be lot less animated if people had just argued that Tyron Smith was the best player and acknowledged that maybe a consequence of drafting Smith would be that the DL couldn’t be upgraded, but they still thought Smith was the right choice.

In terms of best player, I think JJ Watt is going to torture me for the next 10 years.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Smith and Watt will both have good careers. The Cowboys needed both and could only get one of ’em.

I agree with you that more often than not that the “good DE prospect” that would be taken with in the second round would turn out to be Marcus Spears 2.0 )

Though I wanted the Cowboys to roll the dice with Bowers.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also on draft day DE was not the need it is now for the Cowboys
The Cowboys drafted Smith with the expectation that Steven Bowen , the Cowboys best DE would remain with the team.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

choice 3

Tyron Smith
and a great DL prospect with a bad knee.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Smith was the best player on the board at #9

He will be twice the player he is now in 4 years and he will then be 24

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bowers in round 2

The Cowboys could have had a DE prospect in the second round who has the same stuff as Watt → Bowers.

He has a bad knee (as does Bruce Carter)

But he might have been worth the gamble.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might have been worth the gamble

But Bowers bad knee is much worse than Carter’s. Some think Bowers won’t last to get a 2nd contract due to degenerative knee.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, the draft is over. Coulda shoulda and woulda doesn't matter now.

Since we can’t ever go back, can we concentrate on how we can move forward?

These conversations about who was right or who is smarter than whom gets really old and detracts from the conversation.

The draft is what it is, FA is what it is. We might have an opportunity to strengthen some positions once cuts start happening, but the coaches think THIS team will be pretty good. Obviously, they see something and/or know something we don’t about all these controversial players.

I don’t understand Igor starting at all, but maybe he gives them something no one else does when he’s teamed with Ratliff and his weaknesses are exposed when Rat is out?

Personally, I appear to have been wrong about Miller (my pet cat) and Sedejo, too. I can also see why Arkin might not start although I’d love to see that. So, I make bad personnel decisions on players, but who cares. I’m happy when I’m right but I’m also happy when I’m wrong because that means a better player has stepped up so the Boy’s will be better.

So, come on man…

Leadership is the ability to influence a man to either give his life or take the life of another willingly and with the confidence that what's asked of him is within his ability to do and that his well-being was the first priority of his superior's decision.

by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

yea it's often silly. But you have to understand why it happens.

Guys have strong opinions about what their team should do and when their team doesn’t do it, it sometimes takes years to get over. I had a boy who was SCREAMING at his television when we passed on Moss. Boy… I had to hear about it after every TD and highlight play by Moss. Not sure if you’ve followed this guy named Randy Moss, but he’s had a lot of them which means I had to hear my boy ALOT!!! It’s annoying and often frustrating but I guess I get it. I just think we have to be level headed and understand that there’s only so much we can see.

I mean we all seem to realize that Igor is bad, and for at least two years here serious cowboy fans have realized that Victor Butler has something special about him.

Imagine we released him and he had 20 sacks for the giants next year. We would be talking about that probably until he retired, regardless of what was going on in cowboy land… lol.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys might not realize Keg’s sig is a result of an argument between us …

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/2/8/1982610/perception-versus-potential-draft-and-fa-solutions-for-the-trenches

Like I said, do you gamble?

I find that people get realistic real fast when they have to put their money at risk. ‘Ryan is going to generate more from Spencer" turns into ’Um, I’d put actual money on Spencer having more than 4 sacks’ real fast.

But if you truly believe Ryan is going to get more from Spencer … that Spencer is going to get more than 7 sacks for example, let me know … I’ll bet against that.

it’s meant to be revisited …

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

naw... I caught that. If your response was just about spencer

and that fact that for all we know he may not even be starting by mid season much less getting 7 sacks that would be different. But you didn’t really get into the Spencer thing. You got into other stuff. Unless you were relating everything to Bowen then I guess I could sort of see that. I really just had more of an issue with the part where you refered to his article. And also the fact that it came across sorta… umm… over emotional?

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

if I had to choose between having Tyron Smith and "some journeyman player" at DE, over having JJ Watt and "some journeyman player at OT" I would take the former.

this is exactly what Keg didn’t write. He didn’t argue that Tyron Smith + Journeyman DL > JJ Watt + Journeyman OL.

He argued again and again that you could have it both ways. That you’d have Tyron Smith + FA DL upgrade. Furthermore, he argued that the DL fix was partially already on the team in the form of Bowen. So yea, the opposite did happen. Not only was Dallas not able to upgrade the DL in FA, they lost Bowen as well.

If he had been realistic, and said your choices are

a. Tyron Smith & journeyman DL or
b. JJ Watt & journeyman OL

that I wouldn’t have an issue with.

but that’s not what he wrote.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please don't misrepresent my post

I said DLine was not as bad as many thought and with Spears and Bowen and other FA names available it made more sense to draft OT (since FA list was short too).

Sure, you can find me wrong if you want, I still don’t see how with the Cowboys going OL in draft and FA DL pickups that I was somehow way off and the opposite happened.

We lost Bowen, that is a disappointment, but that doesn’t prove me wrong, it proves he can ball (proves me right) we just could keep him at that price. Sorry I didn’t predict such a lower salary cap.

But everyone deserves there opinion and if you think mine was way off and ridiculous…so be it.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never understood

Why some people decide to lash out at other posters and just not let it go. We don’t have to agree, the disagreements of opinions are what makes it all interesting. The entire post he made was just to point out how wrong you were, he added no substance to the discussion. It’s a matter of maturity (lack of actually)I think

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 12, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stuff it SHTG

JK. Good to see you back on the boards….

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was locked out

Then had to wait for my agent to get me signed. I’ve been doing my own off-season work though, should be ready to go.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 12, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

but you, like Hatcher

came back rested and ready to ball!

by rabblerousr on Aug 12, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you at least show the leadership and desire

to hold your own blogging workouts with other locked out bloggers at a secret URL????

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

that DL is in huge trouble

this DL might be in bigger trouble then our OL was last season.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Relax

One series, no Ratliff, terrible Igor showing, first preseason game.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

umm nope

i’ve seen this for 2 years now

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure

you haven’t seen this for 2 years. totally different scheme. and are you implying you’ve seen ratliff and he’s been bad? cuz obviously he wasn’t on that sinking ship last night…and obviously he’s a beast and could’ve singlehandedly turned a dissappointing show last night into a bright spot had he been out there…

Go Cowboys

by dsmith12 on Aug 12, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Bowen WAS on the Team when he wrote it...

And for whatever reason THEY decided not to overpay him or jenkins. That’s their business decision. The post was not about the salary cap.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

My issue is that people who arguing for OL were being unrealistic and it was bad analysis. They said you could have it both ways.

They didn’t own up to the fact that you probably have to make an either / or choice. You can get a great OL or a great DL, but you’re not gonna get both. The Reggie Whites of the world don’t slip to the 2nd round and don’t end up as cheap FAs.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 12, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that statement, I guess I just didn't feel like that was what Keg did.

I felt like he was just saying if you could choose between the two options he would choose drafting an OL, that’s all man. I don’t really think it’s that deep.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok which would you rather happen ...

grab watt and corners and safeties have a easier time.. or get a very good ot and keep romo upright? romo goes down 2010 revisited…..

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Aug 12, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

They slip into the second round

when they have a bad knee.

Sometimes a team can luck out with a DE

Charles Haley was 5th round choice
Harvey Martin was a 3rd round choice
Richard Dent 8th
Clyde Simmons 9th
Bubba Baker 2nd
Tony Tolbert 4th

But these are rare cases.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leon Lett

I forgot Leon Lett

and

Jimmy Jones

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bowen & Jenkins didn't get overpaid

premiere pass rushing DE’s cost more then 2 million a year. in fact the price of all Ol & DL are going up in price. its a lot harder to find 300 lb men that can get the job done

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one knows yet if Bowen is is a "premiere pass rushing DE"

And Jenkins health issues combined with age IMO make him overpaid.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bowen can ball, but...

5 years over 5 mil a year with nearly have of it guaranteed is overpaid in my book. He may prove worth it in the long run, but I certainly understand why Cowboys didn’t beat or match that offer.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously, if we had been able to hang onto him for less money I would have been ecstatic.

Imagine Bowen, Ratliff, Hatcher (who looked phenomenal yesterday by the way), Brent (who didn’t look so hot yesterday hmm), Lissemore (who I think didn’t do poorly but didnt dominate the line or anything), Coleman all rotating in as the DL – I think that’s a pretty darn good line but c’est la vie.

by G_SWAG on Aug 12, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you drunk?

You really think that such a minor point is worth showing your ass?

by danielt on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Careful with the Joe Schmoe stuff.........

:-)

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by BigBad Joe on Aug 12, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fan, just because Jerry didn't sign one of the DL FA on his list doesn't mean he was wrong.

They were available. And just because Jerry didn’t resign Bowen doesn’t mean he can’t “ball”. It just means that Keg gave an opinion and Jerry did otherwise.

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by fs65 on Aug 13, 2011 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are right

A lot of what was wrong with last year’s D was mental and these guys need more time with Ryan to fix that. The part that may not get fixed is the soft middle of the front 3. I know Rat is better than these backups, but he can’t play every snap.

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by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brent should have played better than he actually did

Maybe it was rust, but I remember a much different player the end of last season, than right now.

Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them

by NYHorn on Aug 12, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brent didn't look like a guy you want taking many snaps in a game

i was really disapointed in his game

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

the middle of that defense looked more soft then a work in progress.

the only reason Denver didn’t score on that opening drive was bc the OC decided on the 1 yard line that they wanted to work on fades. Denver’s OL flat out whooped our DL.
 Denver looked way more prepared then Dallas & thats something i didn’t expect nor did a lot of people.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Denver has new coaches on both sides & less talent

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

but they're not installing a complex scheme like Ryan is

Not having OTAs this off season really hurt us in this regard but it will just take time.

The offense should average close to 30 points a game so we should be fine.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

dont get me wrong i hope its just as simple as installing the scheme

but what i saw on that DL & secondary wasn’t good. in the base defense (which they all know) Denver still pounded the ball when Dallas knew it was coming.
 when you can’t stop an offense like Denvers there could be big issues

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

as i read down these posts...

i begin to think that dcnation73 has forgotten how dominate ratliff is. i was at training camp the first sunday and ratliff was absolutely manhandling ALL the C/G’s he went up against.

Go Cowboys

by dsmith12 on Aug 12, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

also dont get your hopes up of this offense carrying the defense.

counting on 30+ points a game to win might work against average teams but not the ones that you need to win. the defense needs to atleast be able to stop a nose bleed.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

right or wrong it doesnt look good either way

Vegas has them at 9 wins & the last time i checked they were pretty good setting the over & under.
 now thats just my opinion of the team that i support.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. For gambling. For the vig.

DCN, my “wrong” was with regard to Terry’s “but they’re not installing a complex scheme like Ryan is”.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 12, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They said that Rob Ryan has kept 2% of the verbage from last seasons D.

That’s a pretty aggressive change.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. Sure is. Talk-wise.

Learning lingo. New schemes. Whether 2% or 10, comes down to actions. Only point I’m trying to make is they’re installing a complex scheme too. With new coaching. Varied formations. Shifting. Blitz packages. Emphasis on generating turnovers. Sound familiar?

Allen was no slouch in NO.

Terry’s wrong. Likely out of ignorance about what’s happening with respect to the Broncos, not stupidity. It’s called “talking out of your hat”.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 12, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood.

Question… you’ve used the phrase “talking out of your hat” before?

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. Used it. Done it.

And, related to the Cowboys, it wasn’t a fedora. Mine’s pointy.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 12, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why ya ask? Never heard it before?

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 12, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's all speculation...

This is the preseason. Who is to say that Ryan wouldn’t have been more crafty with his playcalling on that series?

by Damnsammit on Aug 12, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, they weren't even playing at full strength.

Both starting corners and the starting NT were out. That’s a lot of important pieces. and tends to affect pass defense and run defense respectively.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 12, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cummings

Was actually the fifth LB on the field the def opening play. He had a good night and could make gameday roster as Bruce Carter rehabs.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, he was out there a lot in Lee's spot in the nickel

Then played at ILB after the first series. He looked great.

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 12, 2011 9:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great read

I’ve been Jonesing for some film break down all day at work.

I still wish we would have went with Hynoski for a FB.

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by Rat-Pack on Aug 12, 2011 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Welcome back Brandon

Really excited about Dwayne Harris, I agree he is the perfect slot receiver and will push Ogletree for playing time.

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by Antonio S on Aug 12, 2011 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the analysis Brandon

In addition to your observations about who came to play, we all need to remember that these guys are essentially as experienced in Ryan’s system as they would be coming into camp, not leaving it. They should look dazed and confused at times. They’ll get better. The question is, how much better.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree

And having to think on defense rather than instinctively reacting is a huge issue. I think we’ll see leaps and bounds improvements as guys get more comfortable with their assignments.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 12, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

What I saw out of Miller, is what I saw last year in the preseason

He just can’t move the LOS like a power-back is supposed to. I bet he’ll get more chances this preseason, but unless you can transfer over your aggression from TC to an actual game, you can’t play.

Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them

by NYHorn on Aug 12, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought he looked better last preseason. He seemed to put his head down too early. A few times oline got push but Lonyae didn’t find the hole and just ran into the pile.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's what I saw, too...

He knew the play, and went for that spot even when it was clogged up. He showed absolutely no vision last night except for when he saved a pick-6 with a nice tackle.

by Damnsammit on Aug 12, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

so...

A perfect replacement for MBIII !!!!

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

line of the day!

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by Realist Larry on Aug 12, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO, I had to rec that one dunk.

by G_SWAG on Aug 12, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

2%

The comentators mentioned last night on the broadcast that Rob Ryan only kept 2% of the same verbage from last year. On defense you need to react to plays and not think about where you need to be and last night they looked like they were thinking a lot. The good news is now the coaches have tape on players and can actually show them their mistakes, and make better judgements on who they want to keep and if they think that they need to bring in some different players.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 12, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

my understanding he'll be the swing tackle

so we should pray for Smith and Free’s health

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on, at least our starters are pretty good,

That’s at least an improvement on last year

Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them

by NYHorn on Aug 12, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember that some of the starters last night will be our backups. So it is encouraging...

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by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you can't have everything

Like NYHorn said, at least our starters are significantly improved, thats definitely a good thing.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 12, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

they should be better than last year, but the guys behind them not so good. Like you said let us all pray that Free and Smith stay healthy or we are in a world of hurt.

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 12, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The reality is

The teams had too many needs to fill in 1 draft and a lower cap. That’s why I believe every roster spot is so important for the long term good of the team. Keeping 3 QB’s and 2 kickers will not help the team build depth over the next couple of years

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 12, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen. Tackle backups were both owned last night, IMO

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by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Costa and Arkin are 2 of the backups, although they were starters last night. They looked decent for young backups. There is some need for better depth at tackle, but I think the interior depth is promising.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 12, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

And I think Parnell did better than expected (at least what i expected). Interior oline depth is looking great, seriously. I’ll be writing about it (after work)

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Parnell got owned a couple of times but held his own for the most part – but you couldn’t even tell we were missing Gurode and Holland (especially effing Holland, I don’t think Arkin starting would be that big of a drop off SMH) during that first series – I think our rookies stepped up wonderfully.

by G_SWAG on Aug 12, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Parnell has a chance to get a lot better than he is now.

I have said that he could be a poor man’s Tyron Smith
and that his story is more than a little like Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei.
Two guys the Cowboys kept around until they developed.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

last year’s swing tackle was Barron. I don’t think you can make that argument.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh thanks

I had completely repressed those memories.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 12, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

We must never forget this painful lesson

lest we are tempted to bring back guys like him or Procter….

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 12, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defensive end problems solved.

All the Cowboys need to do at defensive end is to get the opposing team each week to line up Alex Barron at tackle.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 12, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I noticed that too.

I thought both Young and Parnell got beat allot. Unable to pass protect and no push in the run game. Young will probably make the team because we just don’t have anyone else. Maybe a backup off waivers?

I think Parnell is on the bubble, big time.

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by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I know is that now...

Hopefully everyone on this site will shut the heck up about Lonyae Miller. That dude had his chance last night and showed us all that he wasn’t ready to take it.

He stunk it up, period. So please stop this nonsense with the Jones/Murray/Miller predictions.

It’s going to be Jones/Choice/Murray unless Choice gets traded. I think that should be clear now.

by Damnsammit on Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Miller just doesn’t have the vision to a RB in the NFL & thats been obvious in the games he played. if you can’t get it done in a preseason game then your probably going to suck even more in the regular season. Tanner should replace Miller on the PS.
 did anyone else watch Ridley run the ball for the Patriots? did he get picked before Murray or something? it seems like there wasnt any secret about this kid possibly being one of the top RBs taken in next years draft but he came out early & i thought Garrett was intrested

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

1.2 yrds/carry

Just won’t cut it.

Always surrounded by the enemy. New Jersey is dangerous ground. Why is Dallas in the NFC East again?

by natesuri on Aug 12, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

I’m a fan of Choice and I think we will need him more than ever this year with both jones and Murray having injury issues.

by Dynamicduo on Aug 12, 2011 11:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We'll see. There is still time in the preseason.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Aug 12, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding Miller

If I may quote our old friend Deke:

“Let’s just tap the brakes on that.”

At least Tashard Choice has proven himself—on the field—in the past.

A healthy Choice will be an asset to us down the road. And if anything, at least provides proven depth at the tailback position.

Don’t get me wrong about Lonyae Miller, but there were so many that wanted to crown his ass as Choice’s replacement based on training camp performances this year.

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by silverblue5 on Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

+23

Glad we posted at the same time lol

by Damnsammit on Aug 12, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

My friend had dinner with TC a couple nights ago, and he said he’d be back running in a week. Looking forward to him proving he belongs here.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.

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by silverblue5 on Aug 15, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really want to see Victor Butler play a WHOLE LOT more

"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)

by BishopWest on Aug 12, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

me too

Butler is going push spencer for the starting job

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by Antonio S on Aug 12, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Butler just makes plays when he’s in the game. he might not be able to stop the run like Spencer but to be honest i didn’t see Spencer doing much of anything last night. which is sad bc this Defense really needs Spencer & Mike Jenkins to look like 1st rd picks

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and No

Ryan often used Spencer as the “3rd” DLinemen with his hand on the ground in nickle situations. They are different players. I expect to see them both on the field frequently…but Spencer provides something different than Butler. Not sure Butler is ready yet for starting job requiring more than just pass rushing.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

i am not seeing what Spencer offers over Butler thats more important.

i want my OLBs to provide pass rush better then coverage or stopping the run.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Versatility

If you can go back and watch first series, look how often in the “nickle” def. Ryan used, Spencer was the 3rd linemen with his hand on the ground. And then very often, there were only 2 downlinemen – with no Ratliff and Igor getting abused. This defense has a lot more in the owrks than was witnessed last night.

I think Spencer can rush and provides that versatility for Ryan’s wierd schemes where you can play him like a 4-3DE next to 2downlinemen. We shall see, but I still think Spencer will be a good fit for Ryan and will be successful (though if that means tons of sacks is still to be seen)

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This defense has a lot more in the works than was witnessed last night.

Opposite Ware (when it is opposite and not beside or next to or behind or in front of), Spencer/Butler with Ryan tutelage offers something to watch for. Sacks’re a numbers game. GImme a FF.

btw, while watching Spencer/Butler, where’s Ware? Ratliff? etc? Vice versa, anyone?

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by tanstaafl on Aug 12, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I am also excited about Butler by the way

Just so there is no confuse on that matter. Makes himself small coming around the corner and will be creating pressure often this year (I hope)

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Butler got double teamed...

blocked to the ground, got up, and tackled the ball carrier from behind. I love this guy. If we had 21 more guys with this kind of heart and motor, we’d be perennial contenders.

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by nspirals on Aug 12, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

co-sign

all he does is wreak havoc on attempted blocks…

and MAKE PLAYS!

Love me some VB!!!

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by silverblue5 on Aug 12, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

count me in

Butler just makes plays period. Im all for him replacing Spencer if he can’t step up.

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 12, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Garrett, Dez & McGee

I was really impressed with McGee’s progression as he became comfortable through the game. He’s a guy that needs experience and could challenge Kitna next year for the #2. If the Cowboys do not progress this year, I would love to see him a week or two earlier at the end of the season. Hopefully we are playoff bound and this is never a thought.

I loved Garrett going for 2 at the end of this game. I know it was somewhat expected due to it being preseason, but it seemed to boost the players. I believe Jerry has finally got it right with Garrett and Ryan. If Jerry can have patience as the organization is re-tooled and give these two a decade, we could see another trophy in Dallas and be competitve ever year as we were under Landry. For you youngsters who do not remember the Cowboys under Landry, it was all about being a high class competitive organization that took care of the little things. One word “Professional”. People that did not buy in or not team players were often shown the door. That philosophy has been proven recently in New England and Pittsburg. In Dallas, the head coach has been the scape goat for the lack of organizational success.

Dez is a young guy and rightly gets criticism for some of his off the field actions. His demeanor on the sidelines made me believe there is some hope for this guy. He seems like he is buying into being a part of the team. I hope I am not wrong and it wasn’t just Dez trying to garner some spotlight for his deva ego.

by tb0n3 on Aug 12, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Dez has been busting his a$$ in training camp too.

If he keeps the work ethic up, he could be the next, dare I say it, Michael Irvin, but faster.

by Dynamicduo on Aug 12, 2011 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dez reminded me of Michael Irvin a lot yesterday – he was cheering on the rookies and getting everyone hype over a preseason game!

I noticed he was taking to Radway after he botched a play as well.

by G_SWAG on Aug 12, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gronk...I still don't trust completely

Brandon says he looked more comfortable than Chapas. I would think so since he’s got a year under his belt. But don’t count out Chapas looking better in his next few games.

Guess it’s a nice problem to have and gives Garrett exactly what he wants: competition…and hopefully some very good FB play during the season.

by ChuckCowboy on Aug 12, 2011 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

The defensive front was too soft.

What kept coming to mind is just how little time they’ve had to learn the new defense. They’ve been practicing the psycho, and all the pre-snap moves and blitzes, then came out and played basically a standard 3-4 for the most part. I’m not trying to make excuses, it was scary watching them get pushed around, but I just don’t think they’ve practiced what they were doing last night. Camp so far has been a crash course in Ryan’s particular brand of insanity.

The other thing that seemed a little scary is on the plays where we only had two down lineman, it seemed like the Broncos were hammering at the d-line with aggressive runs. I think teams will be looking for those formations from here on out. I’m hoping Ryan has the appropriate diagnosis.

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by White Wolf on Aug 12, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Buehler didn't kickoff

This is a smart decision by Dallas. They know Buehler has the boot, so they tested Bailey for the kickoff and Buehler for the FGs. Since most kickers will get touchbacks from the 35 Dallas only needs a confident FG kicker (and PA). So I’m thinking Buehler won’t keep his job if Bailey can hit between the posts.

Always surrounded by the enemy. New Jersey is dangerous ground. Why is Dallas in the NFC East again?

by natesuri on Aug 12, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Slow down people!

It’s too early to start making roster decisions. This was just a snap shot of what this team will be. With all of the injuries, the 1st team D was not the 1st team D. We should well know that the team starting the fastest is usually not the team that finishes. It’s the team that starts jelling in Nov and Dec.

by daledoe58 on Aug 12, 2011 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Why are some people just so negative?

I don’t get it.. The defense wasn’t great, but they held on when they needed and without 3 HUGE players in Jenkins, Newman and Ratliff. You get them in there and the Safeties will play better, the DL will play better and overall the Defense will play better.

I’m not saying we’re going to be awesome or have one of the best defenses, or anything like that, but our defense will be good this year, or at least sufficient enough to let our offense win the game. Have you seen our offense? Our OL is leaps and bounds better than last year and probably the past 5 or so years, fast, strong and smart! Dwayne Harris looks like the real deal, Tyron Smith is the real deal, Arkin looks like a starter, Romo is back and looking sharp and Felix the cat is back!

Be excited! Cowboys’ football is back and it really seems like this has been one of the best drafts in years!

by Static on Aug 12, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it.. The defense wasn’t great, but they held on when they needed

 i think it was Denver who decided to practice on the fade play instead of runing the ball inside th 1 & then they got the penality that kills drives. Denver pounded the ball down down the defenses throat even when Dallas was prepared for it. we just couldn’t stop them & a good offense would’ve scored at will

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Denver did try to run from within the 5 and Spears stuffed it for a loss. Cowboys got run over with usually 2 down linemen. We should worry about getting spread out and run on, but Ratliff back will certainly be a huge help.
penalties also pushed Den off the goaline and thus continued passing attempts. Sure, we might have gotten run over by a power run team, but they did some the team that they were playing against.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

DC

It’s one series in a preseason game and no Ratliff, Jenkins and Newman. I don’t know if you were able to see the game, but when NFLN showed the feed, the Cowboys announcers talked about RR has changed about 98% of the terminology of the defense. That could have played a big role in the poor showing of the defense, they were thinking of where they should be and not reacting to the play. Thinking in football is never a good thing, not because the players are incomptent, it’s just the players need to have clear minds to react to the play. It’s going to be a little while longer for the players to get used to his terminiology but luckily there’s still time for that. And now that they have film, he can point out the mistakes they made which should help. The film will also allow him to make his judgements on who should leave and who should stay and if we need to pick somebody else up.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 12, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Th'e "Dancing Bear" must go......

deal him to Houston for whatever you can get.

by fiverings37 on Aug 12, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

nobody wants igor lol

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 12, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arkin

that big run by Felix there was no real hole; Arkin managed to turn his man and Felix slipped through the crack. You also need to realize that Arkin was not up against anyone of real quality. HE does need more strength; he seems to have everything else. That is why you do not get excited about a guy this early into camp. Reshard Lee and Colston Weatherington, remember them? Camp superstars and nothing else.

by burmafrd1944 on Aug 12, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

The bar is set pretty low

There have been so many turnstile offensive linemen in Dallas that a rookie who doesn’t whiff or get pushed into the backfield looks pretty good. I’m fine with him just turning his man, maybe he’ll have to get by on technique as he builds strength. I can’t blame people for getting excited about a rookie who is competent in his first NFL action. I am too.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 12, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arkin exceeded my expectations.

He looked pretty good for a small school late round pick. Smith looked good as well although he got beat on the first pass play even though Romo made the completion. I think that we’re going to need Arkin this year because Holland is not conditioned well enough to play too many games. Our late game OL looked terrible including and especially Sam Young. That worries me some.

by daledoe58 on Aug 12, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly this adds no value
Harris is going to get time as a kick returner

by bigcdiddy16 on Aug 12, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Aaahhhh, I'm not so sure about that. Radway is certainly faster. Holley understands the offense and route trees better.

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by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahaha

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 12, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

if Holley is a good WR, I am a 5 star chef

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 12, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he was a good reciever, I said he understands two things better than Radway.

Radway didn’t even look like he understood his routes. He still got open, which is a good thing. Radway had 1 catcheson three targets. Holley had 1 catch on 2 targets.

Holley failed to cross the face of the corner on McGee’s interception, but that might have been Ogletree’s fault for making Holley alter his route. I just don’t know who was out of place on that play. It looked to me that it was Tree, but hey, only the coaches know.

Rather than laughing, why not give examples of why you disagree. You’re better than this Chia….

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by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

“Holley understands the offense and route trees better.” LOL…..Did you even watch the game last night. I haven’t played football in 10 years, and I could cover Holley. That guy has no ability as a WR. Sure Radway ran the wrong route, but he can be taught. Radway showed you flashes of his potential as a WR. I understand that Holley is a fan favorite because of the T.V. show, but he is not a guy we should invest anymore time in. Radway is younger faster and has a much higher upside as a WR. Advantage Radway

by 212CowboyNation on Aug 12, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at the tape. I've watched several times and some of it frame by frame. Until you've done your homework, you really should be quiet

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by scout06 on Aug 12, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Radway may be our best KO returner, was great reading blcokers on his two chances (one brought back due to a penalty). He is also way faster than Holley.

As pure WR and route running and hands – I still don’t know yet, and Holley is good ST tackler, but if Radway wins the KR job, then yes, Radway may take Holley’s spot on the roster. It’s actually Ogletree I am most worreid about (still) but D Harris at least looks capable.

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

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by TXHC on Aug 13, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

#1, I wish I could see these games, but my feed was horrible and I ain't paying for preseason

#2, allow me-i told you so! That’s for LMiller. Well, for one game…he, if he breaks out the next couple of games I’ll take it back, but can we stop the nonsense about cutting Choice? What’s that? Now it’s “Tanner!” Oh welll………

  1. Have never been impressed with McGee’s decisions, but he seems to get it done. I’ll back off on him for now. But I still say cut either him or Kitna. Develop the young guy, or if you don’t trust him in his 3rd year to be a backup (!) cut him.
  1. I warned the Ryan-fetishers. It’s a high-risk / high reward kind of D. With this secondary it’s going to be a lot of risk with that reward. Oh, I know, Jenkins wasn’t playing. Wait. How did he look last year? Newman’s older and already hurt too.
       Ryan can blitz all he want-but if they can’t cover behind it’s going to be painful.

Remember-last year Wade blitzed all over, and the D sucked. When they stopped blitzing and played more coverage, interceptions went up and the D settled down.
You have to have the personnel for your scheme-or your scheme won’t work.

  1. Instead of yet another RB, could we have had Mallet in the 3rd? Pats already developing their succesor.

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by Realist Larry on Aug 12, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

whoa, it changed my #3 #4 #5 to "1." ? you guys get it.

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by Realist Larry on Aug 12, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

to stop that put a space before the number
without space:
1

2
with space:
 1

 2

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 12, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe not.....

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 12, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol!

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by Realist Larry on Aug 13, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on Mallett

Especially given that Murray has done nothing to dispel the notion that he is injury prone.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 12, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mark it down now, mallet will grow into a better QB than Tony Romo

Really, his only serious concern was getting his feet reset when he was passing and it looks like the patriots took care of that problem in 2 weeks. The kid is going to be the best QB out of this draft IMO. Time will tell

by Dynamicduo on Aug 12, 2011 3:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So I can safely assume you are a Razorback fan haha

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Aug 12, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the razorbacks, but I watched several of their games this year and became a Mallett fan.

The kid has a huge arm and good accuracy. All the makings for a great NFL QB. I may have over exaggerated with the better than Romo statement. Romo is a top 5 QB, Mallett will be at least a top 10 with the potential to be a top 5.

by Dynamicduo on Aug 12, 2011 5:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Peyton Manning is a statue and IMO the best QB of all time.

He is a great QB and the offensive Coordinator all in one. And he can’t move at all

by Dynamicduo on Aug 12, 2011 8:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

true about Manning being a statue

But MAnning is the most Cerebal QB ever…HE spends as much time in the Film room as the coaches do…..

Will Mallet have that kind of work ethic?….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 12, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So are Manning and Brady.

The NFL is a passing league, the whole mobile QB thing is a little overblown.

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by TXHC on Aug 13, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else watch Gruden's interview with Mallet.

He is definately not the right kind of guy. Right after he was drafted he compared himself to Tom Brady.

by 2tightendpkg on Aug 13, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wade's blitzes

I agree that blitzing is high risk/high reward, but last year Wade’s blitzes were extremely predictable, Ware only dropped back 7 times. He never blitzed corners or safeties as well. If you know where the blitzers are coming from it’s easier to pick it up. Last year against some of the best QBs (Brady, Brees and Ryan) RR’s teams confused them and held them to season lows in completion percentage and other stats.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 12, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard all that-not to mention I alreday know the diff

But results are results, and I’ll believe his ‘crazy’ d will come up huge when I see it.

I never heard of anyone cowering in fear from Oakland’s or Cleveland’s D whe he was there.

Oh, I know-“We have so much more talent than those teams.” Riiiiiiiiight…….

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by Realist Larry on Aug 12, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

But we do.

Oakland was a joke as far as talent goes before he arrived and while he was there.
Cleveland was a joke as far as talent goes before he arrived and while he was there.
Dallas prior to last season was stated to be one of the most talented teams in football. Even last season in the beginning people kept expecting us to turn it around because we were “so talented”.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 12, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where is the talent ? U have Ware on d and who else ?

The offense has some talent. If they start Butler that will add to the talent. But where is the defensive talent ?

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Aug 12, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Rat

Would you consider Ratliff a talent?

by aubatron2011 on Aug 12, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cleveland

These numbers are from ESPN. I watched every single snap of the New England game and I have never seen Tom Brady more fustrated.
Last year Cleveland played Atlanta (Matt Ryan), New Orleans (Drew Brees) and New England (Tom Brady), so I’ll assume those are the games Garrett is talking about.
 
Here are the numbers for those three vs. the Browns:

Ryan – 16 of 28, 187 yards, 1 touchdown, 0 interceptions, 2 sacks, 89.4 rating.
Brees – 37 of 56, 356 yards, 2 touchdowns, 4 interceptions, 3 sacks, 65.8 rating
 Brady – 19 of 36, 224 yards, 2 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 1 sack, 90.5 rating
 
The Browns beat the Saints (30-17) and the Patriots (34-14) and lost to Atlanta, 20-10.
 
Ryan’s 187 yards passing was the third-lowest output of his season. Brees’ 65.8 passer rating was his lowest of the year and he had two picks return for touchdowns. Brady’s 52.8 completion percentage was his lowest of the season. The Browns also kept Tampa Bay’s Josh Freeman and Kansas City’s Matt Cassel to 182 and 176 yards passing respectively.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 12, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you had to see Brady’s face, deportment, to understand. As,perhaps more, telling as the numbers

Hope to see that look a few times on the other side this season. I’ll leave the strategy to RR and JG.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 12, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the cherry-picking.

well, I guess all the other 13 games went poorly, cuz their overall stats aren’t that great!

18th passing D (we are focused on passing now).
60% completion %
7.3 yards/play (really bad)
26 TD’s vs. 19 Ints.
29 sacks (not even 2 a game/)
and an average QB rating of 84.8.

Very mediocre.

Of course, we have Jenkins and Sensi and Elam and a lame Newman and a journeyman DL (except our Pro Bowler who’s career is being ruined as he p[lays out of position)
and a bunch of unproven young guys surrounding Ware at LB.
So much better than Cleveland.

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by Realist Larry on Aug 12, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cherry picking

It might be cherry picking but the facts are the facts. You missed two games, Tampa and Kansas City, so it’s 11 games that went poorlly. Those Cleveland stats, except for sacks, and that’s because of Ware, are better than ours were. Two years ago, we had the second ranked scoring defense with 10 of 11 starters returning. Last year was a lost season for so many reasons. My point of posting those is you said what has RR done, and I have provided evidence that he has done some good things. I’m not saying our defense will be the steel curtain, or Doomsday Defense, but I think it will be better than what it was last year. You’re entitiled to your opinion, I just think before you declare the defense will be horrible, let’s sit back and watch what they actually are.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 12, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look back and you will not find be saying "the defense will be horrible"

Saying the defense will get better is like saying the economy wil be better under the next president. Whoever it is, it can’t get worse, right? The Dallas D has to get better!

I expect it to end up around 15th to 20th in the league, very mediocre.

By pointing out games where Ryan supposedly befuddled some top QB’s, the insinuation is that, therefore, this is going to be a top defense. That’s the conclusion drawn by a lot of people. Why else point out those games?

But overall, his D’s have ben very mediocre, and the talent in Big D just isn’t that much better. It’s a high risk D that will count on the DB’s and others being able to cover while all those guys are blitzing. Good Luck with that.

I’ve been consistent for 4-5 years on one topic-this team needs speed and quickness on D. Parcells went big and slow, and that doesn’t work these days. We need some Jimmy Johnson fast, athletic players on D.

We don’t have them
(excepting Ware, Rat {who’s wasted at NT, I’ve been ahead of that curve even when he went to the ProBowl} and maybe Scandrick, if he can stop getting penalties.)

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by Realist Larry on Aug 13, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry, I was insinuating this would be a top defense

By pointing out those numbers, I was just pointing that his defense can have some good days and bad days. I mean look at the Steelers defense, when they get spread out they look as bad as our defense looked last year. It will get better, which we both agree, and I agree with you on your points about needing fast and athletic, which I think you forgot to mention Jenkins in that category, and that Ratliff being wasted at NT. I think Ratliff will not be at the nose all the time this year. My main point is it was the first preseason game, there is still time improve and the roster has not been officially set yet. Sit back and relax. Let’s see what moves they make, there are always some surprise cuts from other teams, and if there’s a big time injury at a certain position on another team, maybe we have a player they like for a trade for a player we need.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 13, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said Dalton and Mallet would be the best QBs in this class and people laughed.

They’ll see.

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by TXHC on Aug 13, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon

Great to see you posting regularly again

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 12, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I remember being attacked when saying Choice was the answer, and Miller was unproven. I said we will see in 6 months time…I should have said 48 hours.

by Fausto Geraci on Aug 12, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Jury is still out on all Cowboys RBs in my book…except The Cat

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by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 1:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Choice is just as good Uncle Felix, and will be better come winter on the road vs the East teams in my opinion.

by Fausto Geraci on Aug 12, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was right there with u fighting for Choice. He has been a very good RUNNING RB for us.

Especially with the injury concerns of both jones and Murray. We will need Choice this year

by Dynamicduo on Aug 12, 2011 3:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Felix vs. Choice

Not close in my book. Felix is better as a receiver, better pass blocker, and obviously faster more serious threat. Anyone notice his first two big runs were between the tackle box? Again, I don’t think Choice is any near as good as Felix.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree. Choice has better vision, and is a better pass protector. I don’t care what manufactured stats say. There is a reason Choice has been the 3rd down back for over a year. Because he is the best blocker, as the coaching staff has mentioned numerous times.

But regardless, props to Dynamicduo for being a sane person recognizing that getting rid of Choice for Lonyae Miller was as stupid as possible. That is why I laugh at all the Cowboy GMs out there. Reminds me of cutting Martellus for Phillips. Some of the stuff they say…

by Fausto Geraci on Aug 12, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could you go over how stats are manufactured rather than derived from the game?

But it doesn’t really matter. Jason Garrett apparently disagrees with your assessment of Choice considering it appears that Demarco Murray has been drafted to fill that 3rd down RB slot.

And, despite you continued condescending tone, the fact is that all the reports coming out of camp painted Miller as absolutely killing it. Yes, he didn’t play well in the first game, but it is not as if people were simply making up the fact that he was playing really well in camp. Furthermore, Choice has one year left on his contract on a team that has a 1st round pick starting at RB and a RB they just drafted in the 3rd round. It makes a whole ton of sense to roll with Miller and flip Choice for a draft pick if Miller can step his game up.

Lastly, I find it extremely amusing that you continue to berate others as playing GM and yet hold on to the belief that Choice is better than Felix despite the fact that Jerry (the GM) and the coaching staff clearly disagree with you. They also disagree with you about Choice’s future on the roster obviously (as evidenced by the pick of Murray). So, who is actually playing GM here?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Aug 12, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think we could get out of choice? A 6-7 round pick?

Its not worth it, I’d rather keep him incase jones or Murray gets injured (which is highly highly likely) then let him go in FA after the year is over. If jones or murray get hurt, there is no way miller will perform as well as a second back as choice will.

by Dynamicduo on Aug 13, 2011 12:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Choice is probably the worst blocker of the 3, Read A Scouting Report

He was the 3rd down RB because they didnt know how else to get him touches. And he was 3rd string because for whatever reason the organization, mainly JG, does not like him. He is gone after this year no matter what, so get what you can for him while you can.

by 2tightendpkg on Aug 13, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arkin strikes me as Kosier Mark II

Smart, heady player. Never going to dominate physically like a Davis could do sometimes, but much more consistent – does his job and rarely makes a mistake. Plus a bit of mobility to get out on screens etc.

And I would be really really happy with that…

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by BoyfromOz on Aug 12, 2011 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Well said

And amen to your signature

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 12, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

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