Last Four In, Last Four Out, v. 2.0: Cowboys 53 Man Roster Projection
by rabblerousr on Aug 13, 2011 1:00 PM CDT
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With the first preseason game under our belts, what better time could there be for another rush to judgment, and a ridiculously early 53-man roster projection? The Denver game offered up a singular opportunity to evaluate the dudes at the bottom of the roster--which is precisely where roster projections are most difficult. So, as a base, I'll take what we thought the roster looked like before the game and adjust it according to what we learned during the game.
As a pre-game base, I'll be using KD's excellent stab at who will don the star. For those of you who missed it, I suggest you check it out. KD's overall layout and central idea, wherein he offered both a 53 and explained the last four players to make his roster and the last four to be visited by the Turk, was so smart that I just had to adopt it. I made minute adjustments to his shrewd projection based almost exclusively on who performed well against the Broncos--and who didn't.
Check out who is on and off Rabble's roster after the jump...
| Last Four… | Player | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| OUT | OG Montrae Holland | I think Arkin starts by midseason, anyway, so why keep progress stopper around? He's shown himself to be a "WKG." Garrett sends team a message, cuts fatso. |
| RB Lonyae Miller | Miller has been one of the best stories in camp, but didn't show much vision or ability to create in game. Upstaged by Tanner, who did show these qualities. |
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| DS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah |
Although he's essentially a rookie, and that could keep him on roster, AOA has failed to demonstrate he can play. Bid adieu to another Wade Phillips pick. |
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| K Kai Forbath |
I'm not sure about Forbath's injury, but I suspect he might get stashed on IR or PUP for the future. He's highly touted, but how much longer can they wait? |
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| IN | K Dan Bailey |
I'm betting that Bailey rights the ship, whereas David Buehler shows he'll always be inconsistent. Doesn't mean he'll still be kicking by week 10. |
| RB Phillip Tanner |
I continue to believe that Garrett wants to replace Choice if possible. Tanner has shown that he can do it in games, where it counts. Good wiggle, vision, burst. |
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| DS Andrew Sendejo |
Because Alan Ball can back up at free safety, Cowboys can keep Sendejo, another special teams demon. Doesn't mean they stop looking for upgrade @ position. |
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| OT Jermey Parnell |
We've been told that Young is the "swing tackle," but Jermey Parnell played the majority of the game at LT. I think Parnell passes Young, but Young sticks, barely. |
Here's the projected 53 Man Roster. Players highlighted in bold are who I believe start (or get more snaps than a starter at another position)
QB (3): Tony Romo, Jon Kitna, Stephen McGee
RB (3): Felix Jones, DeMarco Murray, Phillip Tanner
FB (1): Shaun Chapas
WR (5): Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Kevin Ogletree, Dwayne Harris, Jesse Holley
TE: (3) Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, John Phillips
OL (9): Doug Free, David Arkin, Andre Gurode, Kyle Kosier, Tyron Smith, Jermey Parnell, Phil Costa, Bill Nagy, Sam Young
DL (6): Marcus Spears, Jay Ratliff, Jason Hatcher, Kenyon Coleman, Josh Brent, Sean Lissemore
OLB (4): DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Victor Butler, Alex Albright
ILB (5): Bradie James, Sean Lee, Keith Brooking, Kenwin Cummings, Orie Lemon
CB (6): Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Bryan McCann, Alan Ball, Josh Thomas
S (4): Abe Elam, Gerald Sensabaugh, Barry Church, Danny McCray, Andrew Sendejo
ST (3): Mat McBriar, L.P. Ladoucer, Dan Bailey
Tough spots for me:
1. I tried to knock Alan Ball off of the roster, but with the questions re: Terrence Newman's health combined with his ability to play FS (better backup than AOA at present), thought they'd go with him. Plus, Ball is good on special teams, which receives a premium in my analysis. With that in mind, there's definitely a roster spot available for Jesse Holley, who was consistently the first man downfield on kick coverage Thursday, and Sendejo. Cummings makes team because of ST potential as well. Coach D has nice special teams core.
2. I wanted to keep 10 offensive linemen, but couldn't find that tenth guy, and felt strongly that Montrae Holland doesn't deserve to make the 53. That said, where's the guy on the roster who can fill in at guard? I'm not sure that Costa can go it and Nagy isn't ready. If they do cut Holland, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pickup a more mobile vet after week one (so they don't have to guarantee his salary for the entire year).
Note:
The most observant of you may notice that I bolded Victor Butler whereas KD didn't. That's because I think he'll play so much in Ryan's exotic schemes that he'll accumulate "starter's snaps"--much like a third corner would (which is why Scandrick gets the highly-coveted bolding too). And he'd deserve it; the dude's had a great preseason.
The positional numbers on my projected 53 man roster are the same as KD's previous list. Let's take a look at how our breakdowns compare with what we've seen from the Cowboys in the recent past:
| Position | 2011 | 2010 | 2009 | 2008 | 2007 | 2006 |
| Quarterback | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Running Back | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Wide Receiver | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 |
| Tight End | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Fullback | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| Offensive Line | 9 | 10 | 10 | 11 | 10 | 9 |
| Defensive Line | 6 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 7 |
| Linebackers | 9 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 9 |
| Defensive Backs | 11 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 10 | 9 |
| of which: CB | 6 | 3 | 4 | 7 | 5 | 5 |
| of which: S | 5 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 |
| Specialists | 3 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
Given the relatively shallow pool of talent at defensive back, it seems a bit peculiar that the Cowboys would go heavy at the position, so that will bear some watching. Units where they could go heavier: Outside linebacker, which historically is the playmaking unit on Ryan's defense, as many of them play inside in passing situations, or FB, where both Chapas and Gronkowski could make the team, if there's room for them on special teams.
So what are your thoughts, BTB? Are there any changes you'd make to this projection? Tell us all about it in the comment section.
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No Radway?
Hope we don’t get cute and try to sneak him onto PS, no way he clears waivers with his size and measurables. In this case, Holley is definately a progress stopper – he has reached his peak in terms of potential and talent, Radway is nowhere near what he could be. Think he’s worth trying to find out if he can.
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Radaway has also not been playing football… who ever takes him off Waivers must have him on their roster; I don’t know that Radaway can contribute on an NFL roster yet.
Did you notice on the few returns that did happen, we were getting their guy around the 12? If Jesse Holley is doing that he has a role on this team
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by AustonianAggie on Aug 13, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Radaway will likely not contribute next year
But there are plenty of teams that could stash him on their roster. If you were the GM of a non-playoff contender, you may well think that a high-ceiling project is worth more to you than a veteran fifth receiver.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Aug 13, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You are correct JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo
I agree with you, but it is actually more agreeable just to try to type your handle.
I hope Radaway makes the club…he’s a big fast kid.
Another team
Would have to put him on their active roster. Most teams will pass on a raw, undeveloped athlete who will need a few years of coaching and development to be a productive player; the rosters are too tight to take on projects like him.
I still
would not risk putting Radway on the PS for a guy like Holley. Trust me, his production on ST can be replaced. Radway has potential on ST and as a WR, something Holley does not possess.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Todd Lowbers and Randall Williams
Are not that big a loss if they end up on someone else’s roster. We need hard hitting guys on the roster right now. Who will take my buddy Holley’s place on special teams?
buddy Holley ? , kinda nice ; )
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't take credit for that
Dave Halprin started using that moniker some time ago. I’m just plundering in his footsteps.
Holley???
Please, this guy has no potential as a WR. The only value he brings is punt coverage duties and that can easily be replaced. I’m pretty sure some of you were calling Miles Austin the next Todd Lowber and Randall Williams also. Radway has potential at WR and as a KR, so why should we keep an old guy like Holley around who doesn’t have any potential.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Radway has zero potential as a WR this season.
Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have potential in the future, but that’s what the PS is for.
And Austin was much, much more impressive during camp his rookie year. There’s a reason he was kept.
Now, the Cowboys may keep 6 receivers to hold onto Radway, but I just don’t see them keeping Radway over someone with more value, right now, like Holley.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 13, 2011 2:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like they might be able to roll with just one kicker
So that opens up the opportunity for a 6th WR. But I think that extra roster spot (if it does exist) would be better used at other positions.
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by Pnut Gallery on Aug 13, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly..
I just don’t understand why people want the Cowboys to give up a roster spot for a guylike Radway. He’s practice a quad material at best, he camt tun riutes right now, he’s vary raw as a receiver and Harris is just as capable as a return man.
Holley is actually capable as a receiver, although not special, and he’s valuable on special teams. I guess I just don’t get the attachment to him right now.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 13, 2011 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
seems like " pet cat" syndrome to me.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
5th WR
Holley isn’t a capable receiver at all. Most observers from camp has also said that this guy is the most least athletic skill position player on the team. His contributions on ST is nothing special, and it can be replaced. I’d much rather see Radway on the roster.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I was an observer at camp
And I’m telling you that I can run routes just as well as Raymond Radway.
Holley may not be the most athletic, but he can run routes. More importantly, he can actually catch a ball.
There is mithing wrong with Radway going to the PS. That’s the best spot for him.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 13, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If I remember correctly,
I saw Holley cause a stupid turnover because he ran his route wrong. Holley has had his opportunities, and he hasn’t done much with them. Sure, he does some good things on ST’s, but being a ST player is not a talent, it’s effort, and that effort on ST’s can be replaced.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
How do know it wasnt Ogletree who ran his route to shallow?
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 13, 2011 2:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Because I saw the head coach over there talking with Holley instead of Ogletree right after that happened.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Holley is a wonderful story and a great dude, just not a good WR
Radway is raw, but speed and size can’t be taught
Holley has been around forever, i mean look when he was in college it was a long time ago
he has no upside but being a ST player, I hate wasting a roster spot for a guy like that, especially when Danny McCray is the real ST ace of the team
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Post so was KD's
I think it comes down to how many guys you use on ST vs upside
Holley vs Radaway JRobinson will get his guy (Rad) IMO (5) WR
Sendjo vs AOA its depends on RR who can be coached up (5) Safety
Ball vs JThomas & Butler inj age key here cut one after 1st game (6) CB
Lemon vs Brookings vs PUP cut Brook make Coach (5) ILB 6 weeks
QB-3,RB-3,FB, WR-5 TE-3 OL-9 DL-6 OLB-4 ILB-5 CB-6 S-5 ST-3
+1 radway to PS
Game 1 Radway caught the TD against his body, falling down after he unnecessarily left his feet. 9 out of 10 times he won’t catch that ball. Really, it was terrible technique (in football or any other ball sport).
Then the pass that was a little high & over his head. He didn’t adjust to the ball at all. Plus he nearly fell backwards over his own feet. And then he mistimes his leap and grab sort’a like a Peanuts character. Pitiful to see. Sort of what I expect in JV football in HS.
Lastly, he makes the body of Sam Hurd of 5 years ago look like Dez Bryant today. Radway is wirery and skinnnnnnnny. His arms look thinner than mine. Sprinters usually have better upper body builds.
bottomline, he made a nice run with the ball on KO and he held onto the TD. Those things matter. But football skill? Nuh-uh. PS. If someone signs his to active roster, then they deserve to keep ‘em. And I’d wish all the best for the project.
what if we had said that about Miles his first year or Romo?
I’d rather have Radway on the roster than Holley
by somebodyquiet on Aug 13, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Then they wouldn't have known what they were talking about
Because Austin was a much more accomplished receiver and returner as a rookie than Radway is right now. Not even close. Austin was a very accomplished player at Monmouth, Radway is just athletic and green. He’s only played three seasons between high school and college. If he can develop, fine, keep him. Otherwise, it’s not a huge loss. Receiver depth is not a problem area, anyway.
I love the potential Radway is showing but
I think every team has a Radway or 2 they want to stash as well.
I dont want to lose him
he would have had another TD if he didn’t stop running his route and then another huge chunk of yards where he ran another bad route
the kid has speed and the ability to get open, he just needs to really improve his route running
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I`d still keep him over Holley as well
who cares about special team coverages when every kick is a touchback.
Exactly
Why would we keep a 28 year old punt coverage player like Holley, over a young, fast, potential deep threat receiver who can also return kicks and possibly punts. Radway should make this team.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because Holley can help us right now
On one hand you’re dismissing Holley’s coverage on kickoff returns, because there won’t be that many. Then you say Radway is worth keeping because he can return kicks. So, kickoff returns are important, but kickoff coverage is not? It sounds like you’re expecting us to never score, but the other team to be kicking off all the time, but not for touchbacks. That’s some strange reasoning.
And we have a slew of guys who can return kickoffs already, and Radway would not be used as a punt returner. Essentially you want to take up a roster spot for at least one year for a guy who might eventually be a good receiver. Teams don’t live or die because of their receivers—that’s the delusion of Jerry Jones.
Interesting information on your profile
Joined: 25 July
Number of posts: 45
Number of posts praising Radway: 15
Either you have a irrational man-crush on Radway, or else you’re a relative of his.
Insults?
This will be my last comment towards you, since you don’t know how to be an adult.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
I may not agree with 212Cowboy on Radway, but I agree with him on “being an adult”. Well stated.
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lol lol ,kinda spot on there.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
good point
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Every kick a touchback?
Who says?
If Bailey is our only kicker, don’t count on it. How many touchbacks did he have Thurs vs. how many returns? Bailey sent 5 kicks into the end zone, but 3 of them were returned: http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4681966/no-kickoffs-but-david-buehler-gets-a-kick
And that also assumes that they won’t WANT teams to return kicks. In other words, having the kicker/punter kick it high but not booming it 8 yards into the end zone. You kick it higher, give your return team more time to get down there and either down it inside the 20 (punts) or stop the returner well short of the 20(kick offs and punts).
Sure, Radway is fast. But, is he strong enough and shifty enough to get past the up guys trying to knock him out of bounds and out of the play? So far, I haven’t seen it.
Does he know his assignment in the coverage and will he fulfill that assignment on a reliable basis? Can’t say either way right now.
Can he break down and tackle the returner reliably? Haven’t seen it so far.
Will his body hold up to flying down the field and taking on returners with a head of steam going the other way? No telling.
Not every kick is going to be a touch back. Not every fast receiver can do what it takes to cover kicks. Holley (and Hurd before him) have shown that they can. Radway hasn’t shown it…yet.
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Again
Some of you holley supporters seem to think that he is the ST’s Ace, newsflash, Danny McCray is the real ST’s ace of the group. Holley doesn’t bring anything else to the table. He will never be a WR in the NFL, and if you don’t have the potential to do anything else besides play ST’s, then you should not be on the roster. Holley isn’t some freak of nature on ST’s, and his production can be replaced by someone else. He’s been here too long, and now it’s time to churn the bottom of this roster.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you think you only need 1 special teams ace
Danny McCray was injured on thursday, special teams players get injured all the time.
by 2tightendpkg on Aug 13, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Until one of these other "Aces" steps up...
Holley is staying. There’s a lot of field for 1 ST Ace to cover. Besides, I don’t believe McCray is even a gunner on ST’s. They used Holley and Hurd for that last season.
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We'll see
There’s still a lot of preseason left, and from what I’ve been reading thus far, from the so called Cowboy insiders, Radway is in the lead for that 5th spot. We can all agree to disagree, but whether it’s Radway, Holley, or anybody else, they’re are going to have to do some things this preseason if they want to make the roster this year.
by 212CowboyNation on Aug 13, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said below
If Radaway or any non essential player wants to make the team, work your a** off on special teams because that’s what the RKG would do, and that’s what coaches look for out of 5th-6th WRs, and anyone else who won’t play more than 20 snaps
by 2tightendpkg on Aug 13, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Progress Stoppers
Agreed! Radway in, Holley out!
too early, ill tell you after 3rd preseason game
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by Terry on Aug 13, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if AOA should be moved to CB . . .
. . . he played the position in college, fewer reads for him to make . . . and could still be a back-up/emergency (read “to be groomed”) FS. Keep him, release McCann.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
McCann can play
No way I’d cut him, specially to keep AOA around.
A Good Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop tormenting me.
I guess you didn't see the skid marks Thursday night . . .
. . . up McCann’s backside from 3 or 4 blown assignments . . . not to mention that ridiculous pass interference that took away Ball’s interception. I thought he was going to make a player as well last year, but he looks lost.
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Dave Campo is lost
Dave Campo…(noun) A person with no semblance of coaching ability. Ineffective. Usually found discombobulated along a sidelines when opponents convert third an eights or more for easy first downs.
Campo-ed (verb) When Cowboys fans watch David Gerrard imitate Tom Brady and Peyton Manning…they have been “Campoed.”
Dave Campo….
LOL!!!
But unfortunately very true for our beloved Camps. He’s been a loyal Cowboy through and through…but it was time to do exactly what they did—get him out of the way and have him observe from the coaches box.
I love the guy, but I soon realize it will be time to give him an office to check in each day at Valley Ranch. He can then roam around like it’s a retirement home and tell the other Sr. Citizens (Lacewell, JJ, etc.) of his former great Cowboy exploits.
exactly!
Campo is a great guy no doubt… But he has no business being on a coaching staff at all. If Jerry wants to keep him around, just give him a front office job or in broadcasting perhaps??
by dcsince77 on Aug 14, 2011 5:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am shocked Ryan didnt demand to bring in his on secondary coach
by dcsince77 on Aug 14, 2011 5:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They did try to bring in a different Secondary Coach.
They tried to get Ray Horton away from the Stealers. Unfortunately for us, he got a better offer from AZ to be their DC.
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Don't look now but it happened again
but this time with Tim Freakin’ Tebow with no professional mechanics and all. He threw a 50 yard bomb on triple coverage and hit it for a Peyton Manning-like completion and then I had to go throw up. Tim Freakin’ Tebow are you kidding me??? My 10 year son has better mechanics than that guy. Tebow makes Campo look like a real genius now!!!! Way to coach em’ up Campo. should have the worst or second to worst secondary again this year.
goof to hear from you, LB
any thoughts on how the Cowboys’ young bucks on the OL acquitted themselves?
Pretty well, actually . . .
Smith played well (those black gloves make his hands look even HUGE-er), Arkin continues to surprise me with the lack of mental mistakes. Now, he will get bowled over from time to time, as he needs an off-season weight training program to get stronger, but his athleticism is obvious. But Costa is like night and day from last year — I haven’t gone back and graded the re-play, but I don’t remember one mistake.
Young has regressed . . . quite frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Parnell ends up being the swing tackle. Letuli is strong, but top-heavy and loses his balance lunging. Holland is gone — and that’s the reason I think we are one 3-position veteran short of having a nice mix. Yep, I’m still on the Brian Waters campaign, and he would not be a youth-movement inhibitor, but a good, solid lockerrom presence.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Nate Newton on 103.3 ESPN said that Young tried to bulk up this off season but did it incorrectly because he didn’t have a strength and conditioning coach to assist him this offseason, said the same thing you said about Letuli and advised that Young added weight incorrectly which resulted in him being top heavy and inhibited the athleticism he possessed. He said that in about 4 months they would have his lower body strong enough to support his upper body weight and he would be stronger all around.
Interesting . . . Nate would know!
Took a glance at the roster on the mother ship and Young is listed at over 330 lbs. Probably spent too much time on the bench and not enough doing squats, but he is not moving his feet. Now don’t get me wrong, there aren’t many 6’8" ballerinas, but he was moving better at the end of last season.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
I couldn't agree more with your assessement
Its nice to have it confirmed by an expert!
by rabblerousr on Aug 13, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Be careful with that word, rabble . . .
“Ex” is a has-been and “spurt” is a drip under pressure . . . LOL!
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
I agree on trying AOA at corner
Who knows, maybe Alan Ball would be a descent 3rd corner instead of a 4th/5th if he could have just focused on CB.
by 2tightendpkg on Aug 13, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I would keep developing AOA as a free safety
and go after Kelvin Hayden (free agent CB) because that groin problem haunts TNewman and he didn’t play that well before his nagging injury came back, again!
Cutting Holland
This has me very conflicted. Clearly the guy is not a long term solution, because of his age, health and conditioning. I’d love to cut him free. But is Arkin ready to start now? What if Arkin gets injured? Personally, I would hang on to him for another year and cut Parnell.
I’ve been a big supporter of AOA but I agree with you, rabble. The light bulb needs to come on for him in the next few games or else we need think about going our separate ways. I know he’s a project, but we need to see something from him other than a fast 40 time.
I also agree with you on Ball. He sucked as a starting safety, but wasn’t a bad 4th corner and has played well on special teams.
A good list, by the way. We don’t recognize often enough the hard work you and the other writers put in to keep these interesting conversations going.
Brian Broaddus said on Galloway the other day
that his film review showed Arkin acquitted himself better than Smith—and he can do athletic things that Holland can’t, on the edge.
It just seems that Holland is a posterboy for an old offense that they don’t run anymore.
Now that's interesting
And encouraging, but I still wonder about our depth at guard if Holland is gone. Arkin gets injured and we’re in trouble.
Exactly how I see it
I don’t like that Holland apparently can’t be bothered to work at his conditioning, but even if Arkin is ready, they HAVE to have a BU for both G spots. So if they cut the Fat Dutchman, they’ll have to bring in another G, and I only see that happening if Holland is unable to get healthy.
Don't believe everything you think.
Yep too much Hollandaise on his food maybe?.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
This is my thought to.
I like Arkin, but is he really ready for the bright lights and if he is who backs him up in case he or Kosier gets hurt?
I wouldn’t mind their cutting Holland to send a message. Coming into TC out of shape like that wasn’t a smart move. However they did just pay him a roster bonus.
I like Arkin...
Rena, I too like Arkin but there’s always been something about the way Montrae Holland has gone about his business since coming to the Cowboys. His whole work ethic and desire to be better today and tomorrow vs just doing enough to get by and be “serviceable” has no place on a team like what the Cowboys are trying to build under Garrett. If cutting him now has to “send a message” then it’s already to late to send that message. The message was sent and should have been received by ALL the day Garrett took over last season for Wade. Holland as well as the rest of the players have known from day one what Garrett expects and to come into camp as an out of shape veteran with such shortsightedness as to think that he was just going to back up Leonard Davis again this year is inexcusable. Arkin will be fine. I say start him from day one and roll with it.
by cowboyup_atl on Aug 13, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly...
I agree with you.
I think it comes down to how Costa looks the rest of camp and preseason and how many backup C/G’s they decide to keep. If Costa keeps looking good, I could see them going with him as the primary C/G backup. I haven’t been impressed with Nagy so far at all. If they decide to keep one C/G backup, I give the edge to keeping Costa since he can back up both spots. If they keep two, that puts it down to Nagy vs. Holland. Again, Nagy has the advantage of backing up three positions, Holland only backs up two. However, I’d rather see Holland at Guard than Nagy at this point.
Rabid and luvin' it
Holland is not dependable.
Holland will be injured so often that Arkin will have to play anyway. He just wants to draw a paycheck without getting on the field. Do we really need a guy that doesn’t have that burning desire to be a starter? Fat ass needs to be cut and hopefully we can find a reasonably priced free agent after final cuts. Arkin looks like he needs to get stronger but I didn’t see any blown assignments by him Thursday night.
Keep 2 QB's and carry another Db or OL or LB
If they can’t trust McGee to even just be a backup his 3rd year, then he’s not worth keeping. Let Kitna catch on with another team, I mean he could start for some teams!
Also, let’s a hope a better DB and/or guard comes Dallas’s way as other teams cut.
Please!
Or, miracle of miracles, a trade that would actually help JJ’s team?
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
I don't think the RB battle is over
You are right Miller didn’t look good and Tanner did. A strong showing would have solidified Miller’s chances. However, it is a small sample with Miller going against earlier in the Denver depth chart. Miller will get another chance and Tanner might get a chance earlier in the game. Until either player shows some effectiveness against players likely to make the opposing roster then Choice might still be in the lead for the spot.
I can't believe that everyone is ready to kick Choice to the curb.
When we have needed him he has performed well.
by daledoe58 on Aug 13, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a fan of TC but,
keep hearing that he can’t block,therefore does’nt fit into Coach Garrets plans.
he will do well on another team,much as it saddens me.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Value
I hope the organization approaches Tashard Choice, and every player, in terms of their relative value. If the Cowboys can get more value out of Choice in a trade than they would with him sharing duties this season with Jones and Murray, they should trade him immediately and use Tanner or Miller as the third RB option. Chances are Choice is leaving the organization next year, so they should seek the maximum value now. If playing Choice this season and losing him next gives the Cowboys the most value, then so be it. I just want the team to be asking that question.
I honestly cannot believe so many here are counting on Murray being the #2 back.
It’s not going to happen!
First, he’s a rookie as is.
Second, there was no offseason to learn.
Third, now that the team’s together, he’s out with an injury!
He is not going to contribute as a RB, except minimal 3rd-down snaps. Hopefully as the season goes on he’ll be a part of special teams. that’s it.
So if you cut Choice, your #2 is Miller or Tanner. Considering Felix’s health history, why do that? Why cut Choice, a cheap, proven 4th round pick, for a couple of untested young guys? It’s not like either Tanner or Miller are so good they’re ever going to be powerful starters.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 13, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Which means I agree with you, in a way-Choice is the definition of value.
Have him there this season, just in case, then let him go.
I just disagree that Murray figures into this at all.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 13, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Your argument is sound
But if they use Choice, either as the no. two or no. three back, they get this season and nothing else because Choice is a free agent in 2012. Maybe that is enough. And maybe the Cowboys sign him again in 2012. If, on the other hand, the team could trade Choice this year, and this is a big "if" because they would need to find a suitable trading partner, for something, be it a draft pick or a player in an area of need, it may make better business sense because they parlay their cheap, proven 4th round pick for something they can use in the future rather than lose him for nothing. It all depends on how the organization views his value this season versus Miller/Tanner plus an extra draft pick or player. As a fan, I hope the team chooses well.
Trades are just so rare in the NFL I discount them, basically
here we have a starter-level RB on the cheap. he was a good value in the 4th (where you should pick RB’s, or even later!)
Run out the year, let a young guy develop behind him, and then start over next year.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 13, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Choices about Choice
You may be right about trades. The “if” I posed above is indeed an important assumption. If no attractive trade is available, then that path forward becomes moot. In any event, I think we have defined the alternatives about Choice. Mr. Jones, please read this exchange and employ your wisdom accordingly.
Let's see how the rest of pre-season shakes out
If injuries occur for other teams we have some pieces that could be traded. Specifically, guys like Choice and Marty B. Moving them will open spots for other guys.
I hope we don’t keep two kickers.
Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.
I think one of the bigger surprises of camp might be Chris Gronkowski.
It doesn’t seem as though Chapas as really done anything to knock Gronkowski off of his perch. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gronk is the starter week 1, although he certainly doesn’t seem to have many fans on this site. I’ve also heard good things about Jason Pociask, so I’m gonna keep my eye on him.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
He's a pretty good receiver for a FB - reminds me of Moose...
by scraig on Aug 13, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Garrett likes his versatility.
I mean they did look for him on like the 2nd play on offense.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
I agree.
A FB with a year of playing under his belt vs. a rookie that hasn’t exactly taken the position by storm. Who’s to say Chapas doesn’t miss a block or two due to inexperience this season and get Romo hurt again? I think there’s actually LESS chance of that happening with a more experienced Gronkowski.
Rabid and luvin' it
I agree.
I think blocking schemes are all about experience. I’m not saying he won’t screw up a block again, but I would bet that he has a better grasp on who he is supposed to be blocking over a rookie.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
Kitna is still around for a reason...
Romo is not mentoring McGee, Kitna is, that’s why I think Kitna stays. The Cowboys aren’t willing to shop around Romo yet, even if McGee continues to convince them he can be the starter. Also, not willing to hurt McGee’s development by not having Kitna around.
Keep in mind that Wade Wilson is also a great mentor, pretty soon you’ll need to either have McGee backup Romo or let McGee start and have Kitna or someone else backup McGee. To do that you have to do something with Romo though…
you don't mean " get rid of Romo" ,do you?,
what a shocker to see “you” hint at that. again.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Garrett is leaning that way
McGee just wants to have his shot… maybe Kitna will stick around to back him up. It may be 2-3 years before he takes over for Romo, but I just get the feeling that there is something up with Romo. His numbers were way off last year and there is just something about his game when he gets close to the endzone… the TDs he did have looked good but too often he couldn’t get it done, like in 2006-2008. 2009 wasn’t bad either.
To mention McGee as a starter is way premature.
All he has done is shown he deserves more 2nd team reps. Even us shadetree scouts can see he is still slow on his reads and pulling the trigger.
However, he has shown progress and deserves a chance for some second team reps.
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The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
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Cool how you know seem to know all the little things that go on, like who mentors and who doesn't
almost as if you’ve made it all up in your head….
Don't believe everything you think.
you're the one who said mcgee was the better QB to come since troy aikman?
what are you? his brother?
now you’re saying the team should get rid of romo before kitan and in favor of McGee?
when was the last time you were sober?
i like these exercises ....
but no one can ever know what goes on in the mind of jerry. even with garrett at the helms and for the most part calling the shots, i think the final cuts will be surprising and impossible to predict.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
as OCC said the other day
we’re all “Garrettologists”—and one of the primary functions of a Garrettologist is to divine what’s happening in Valley Ranch’s inner sanctum
Radway over Holley
Radway has shown a lot considering he hasn’t played a ton of football. While Holley is strictly a special teamer. Radway has a chance to be a weapon in the passing game, even if it is to run fly patterns taking defenders away while the screen is run to Felix. And remember, kick coverage will not nearly be as important this year. Coach D will get to keep 1 guy and that will be McCray.
by bleedingprophet on Aug 13, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
THIS
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Holley has reached potential and
Radway has really good speed and could be a good returner for ST.
Brandon Williams
I’m also not against keeping Albright & B. Williams. While B.Williams hasn’t shown up nearly as much as Victor Butler, he has been making some plays in training camp. Going heavy at LB isn’t a bad idea considering how Ryan employs his backers plus the fact that they make good special teamers in general.
by bleedingprophet on Aug 13, 2011 2:18 PM CDT reply actions
There might be a few surprise cuts from other teams.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a some quality players might get cut from other teams, it always seems to happen. Also I believe that if a team like Minnesota or Tennessee loses McNabb or Hasslebeck for the year or if Miami wants to get rid of Henne and doesn’t believe in Matt Moore, Kitna could be a valuable trade piece.
I can
Ryan uses a lot of LB’s and Carter is going to be on the PUP
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
it will be a disastrous pick if,
Carter does’nt play a part this season.
any news on his rehab Chia?.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think PUP only allows you to miss 6 games?
after that you have to move them to the active roster or put them on IR
by somebodyquiet on Aug 13, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct
But, by then the “cans” vs the “can’ts” will be better known so maybe another hole can be made to make room for Carter. Also, anyone you cut Week 6 has a better chance of making it to the PS off waivers than they do during the 1st week of Sept when team rosters are still not set in stone. Someone like a Radway, Nagy, AOA, Thomas or Sendejo would be less appealing to a different team by then.
Rabid and luvin' it
thanks,i knew PUP was 6 weeks,
just wondering if he might be out longer,therefore a wasted pick.
for a 2nd rounder that is.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
remember what Sean Lee was like last year? gonna be the same thing with Carter
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
true,need patience i guess. ok thanks.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
gotta be patient with Carter this year man
its the same exact Sean Lee situation
1st round talent, falls to the 2nd
tore ACL
missed a lot of time early, started to contribute down the stretch
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I havent heard anything actually
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
One Major Problem, you cant have 54 players, you didnt add right
You have five safetys listed but only counted it as 4.
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by sprewelllatrell on Aug 13, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
So Sandejo is out?
because He had him listed as one of the last 4 in?
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by sprewelllatrell on Aug 13, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Aug 13, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Cut Hollands fat ass,
If Arkin gets hurt or doesnt cut it just go Holland back off the couch. If worse come to worse, Holland, LD and Derrick Dockery will be all sitting at home waiting for the call.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
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-John Wooden-
I heard the espndallas guys saying holland recently recieved a roster bonus
so thats another factor working against cutting him. I think they need to keep him around, even if its in a backup role. They dont have anyone else on the roster that would be more qualified. No way Nagys better than Holland. As Jerry said, every time Hollands had to play he hasnt let them down.
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by sprewelllatrell on Aug 13, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Im torn, I like having a vet G and there is some truth
to him not letting them down in a game, but didnt he let them/us down by once again ignoring conditioning and not getting ready for the season. Is this the attitude we want.
Its a tough call for me. Granted he was locked out and he has trouble staying in shape when their not locked out.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
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-John Wooden-
No way Nagys better than Holland...
No, definately not at the moment. But who knows, in 2 or 3 weeks he could be based on Holland’s inability to get back on the practice field. LOL ;-).
by cowboyup_atl on Aug 13, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
my point is that, Nagy's got something the coaches reallly like
and might be a starter for a decade, beginning in 2013. Do you release him ffor what Holland brings him to the table right now?
My answer is a resounding “no.”
You have to take your best 53
We saw Costa start last year and he was terible.
We really don’t want to see Nagy trying to stand in front of Ndomukung Suh.
So what happens when Arkin or Kosiar take an injury?
We may not like Montre Holland’s attitude but he’s a guy that if he has to join the starting lineup we’ve seen he’s not going to give up a sack a game like Costa did.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 13, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
ahhh but Holland brings a lot to the table,
like the buffet cart for instance.
; )
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They said that Davis came in in great shape.
What’s Holland’s excuse?
The food man!! ,it's so damn tasty !! mmmm.
think something along those lines.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yes X men know what they are saying,
disobey and the consequences are " Dire".
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget about the waiver wire, we could find a G, maybe a DB or S,
There could be 2-3 players who get cut from other teams on the final roster, hopefully we could find a low salary veteran guard and still cut Holland to send a message. I think if Radaway wants to make the team he shouldn’t leave it to potential, go out there and play your a** off on special teams. Special teams is 90% effort, maybe 10% skill. I would be shocked if they kept 5 MILBs and still had Bruce Carter on PuP or IR.
they are watching the waivers
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
by the way
the other night I was talking to someone about the kickoff rule change and how they did a study on it
they did
I was watching the Chiefs Bucs game and the announcer said there are 7 injuries per 100 plays on regular plays, and there was 11 injuries per 100 kickoffs
so they did do some sort of study and analysis of it
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
Very interesting, I hadnt heard that but it makes perfect sense.
I wonder if that was on of the new things in the CBA, or did the owners just do the right thing earlier.
Not voting on the owners
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-John Wooden-
I am pefectly fine with the change. Focus more on the "real" plays.
I’d be OK with getting rid of KO’s altogether-let each possession start on the 30, or whatever.
It’s tradition, but sometimes changes happen.
Or make it a punt, reduce the distance-say, your punter from the 40-yard line. Then they don’t run so far, build up so much speed.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 13, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks Rabble!
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 13, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still against it
Injuries are part of the game. Watching a bunch of touchbacks is boring as heck
by somebodyquiet on Aug 13, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow ,to think next year we could have a new LG-C-RT ,
Makes me purr .
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too!
[contented rumble, contented rumble…]
A competent backup swing C-G would make me sleep so much better at night. The days when we had to keep both Holland and Proctor because one couldn’t play center and the other couldn’t hold a block could be over soon. You could actually get by with taking seven offensive linemen to the game: Free, Kosier, Gurode, Arkin, Smith, Costa and either Young or Parnell. That would be sweet.
i've been calling for an overhaul of the OL since i joined.
very-very happy to see it happen .
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Garrett seems to be having some influence here
His template for smaller, more athletic linemen, probably overruling Jerry’s long-time fixation on hogs, seems to be paying off. The fact we went to the well three times this draft I would guess is Garrett’s doing, too.
What’s fascinating to me is if Arkin and Cost pan out—I think we can safely say Smith is a keeper—we will have been able to retool on the offensive line, taking it from an aging, lumbering group to a mobile group in just two years. If it works—big if—it would allow us to concentrate on the secondary or the BPA in next year’s draft.
I agree
This could spell great things for the team if this line works out. like it appears it will
Don't believe everything you think.
Just don't jinx us, dunk
Please don’t adopt any young pet cats on the offensive line. Adopt Montrae Holland instead. He needs your love, badly.
and his leftovers
ok no more fat jokes.
i promise ; )
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No, no, Holland needs to be shamed into getting himself into shape
And who better than you??
Don't believe everything you think.
hahaha ,reply fail .slam dunk?.
not more haggis surely? lol.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
did they steal it back? lol..
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reminder
I was thiiiiiis close to destroying our season.
Go Vick! Go Eagles!
Don't believe everything you think.
Purr Purr..
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
love the D Line projection
DL (6): Marcus Spears, Jay Ratliff, Jason Hatcher, Kenyon Coleman, Josh Brent, Sean Lissemore
BEST PART, NO IGOR!!! PLEASE LET IT BE SO!!!
love the D line projection...
YES!! That would be awesome. I watched the DEN – DAL game last night on NFLN. Prior to watching it I’d read some of the commentary on how poorly Igor played. But to see it convinced me there’s no place for him on this team. I’m sure Wade can find a spot for him with the Texans.
In Miller's defense
He wasn’t getting ANY holes at all when he was running. He was getting stuffed every time because there were 3 guys in the hole. Now, I did think he was taking too many steps and making too many moves when he should just be hitting the hole or make a cutback if the hole is plugged (one play had he cut it back to the right, he would have been gone, because everyone converged to the left and there was NO ONE off to the right). We’ll see how he responds next week against the Chargers.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
I'm inclined to give Miller a qualified pass
Against the Broncos. He looked tentative when compared to Tanner, and both were getting mediocre holes. Tanner just hit the hole harder and was able to plow forward for the tough yards. I agree with you it’s way too early to draw any conclusions. Miller didn’t put himself in extremis with his performance, but he probably lost some of his margin over Tanner.
I would just rather see Miller do well than Tanner
Nothing against Tanner but when you have the physical ability of Miller (running a 4.4 forty at 232 lbs) then it opens up more options for what you are able to do. Plus we already have 3 backs that are around Tanner’s build (Choice, Murray, Jones)
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by ProBowlFactory on Aug 13, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
thank the gods
the profficy spoke off no Igor
I WAS BORN AND RAISED A COWBOYS FAN IN WASHINGTON,DC...
Question about Kitna and the QB spot.
I wrote a fanpost about how Kitna could become a valuable trade piece if a QB gets seriously hurt, esp. in a spot like Tennesee, where they want a veteran, proven QB to mentor Locker for a little while. Kitna proved last year he can still play, and if the coaching staff thought that McGee could backup Romo, depending on what we would receve, would you pull the trigger on the deal?
I see what you are saying but...MIA maybe
i think had it not been for the lockout
we couldve restructured roy and barbers contracts and traded them for picks and dbs
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where is footballmensa a.k.a broken record
to point out that we need a “true NT” and that jerry jones is a clown?
"Look up, get up, and don't ever give up."
— Michael Irvin
mensa has actually calmed down,
making sound football related posts lately.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing most here write blogs and are not talent evaluators…the Cowboys would give the Lions a run for worst season of all time.
Choice was the 3rd down RB because he was a better blocker than any other back, including Barber. Now he can’t block? Okay.
Choice was in the dog house because Garrett called a horrible play against the Redskins before the half and instead of accepting responsibility, blamed Choice for having the first fumble of his career.
Fault goes both way
Choice shouldn’t have fumbled – plain and simple. Yes, it was a bad call but it still doesn’t excuse Choice.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Aug 13, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No way Barber should have been getting the ball vs the Cards.?
2 yards and a superbowl celebration. Choice is a better runner pure and simple. He makes quicker cuts and has superior vision.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
AOA
was a CB in college. I’m not sure why he’s regarded as only a FS – I actually think he’d be a better CB than Ball and should be given a look there.
Tyrone I have said many times AOA was a cb in college.
The replies I get all say he played some safety too. Bottom line is he was a cb and he is a project at fs. At least try him there for an extended period of time.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 13, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
AOA was a safety his final years in college, and that's where he earned his stripes.
Period, end of story, I don’t see why there’s a debate over this, etc.
He’s no more a project at safety than he is a CB. What makes him a project is his having missed his first training camp and the fact that he played at a D-II school, not his position on the roster.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 13, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a cb.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 13, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Every time I look at the Oline projection, my mouth waters.
That is an Oline for the future. Seven of those players could potentially be with the team in 2020.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Oh my !!!! ,love it...
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh
Tyron Smith has a decent chance of making it. The others probably will be gone. The youngest of the remainders would be 33, which is fossilized for all but the very best football players. A few might stick, but saying seven could be with the team in 2020 is like saying I could hit seven straight half court shots. It could happen, but let’s not get carried away.
dammitt kinda ,i was in mid Purr there.. :(
impurrfect time to interrupt,cancel the tissues !!!.
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry about that
Okay, after some reflection, I think they could very well hang around until 2020. Purring again?
Purrfect ...ahhhhh ..
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by scotscowboyfan on Aug 13, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I just meant that there were six or seven that might make it that long
Not that several of them would. Still love the youth movement.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Demarco Murray nshould be the third RB and on ST but Choice..
should stay he is a solid north and south guy, no flash just old skool textbook running..
its not enough 4 some ..Or atleast let the slug it out for 2nd back
he just needs to work on his pass protection
unless tanner or miller has an outerbody experience…
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I'm ok with this list
Although, I would make Harris a fullback and use him on short yardage situations.
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Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.
The good and bad
Good assessment.
The think about Radway, Tanner and some others is that you can place them on the PS and then if anyone tries to pick them off, you can always place them on the roster and remove guys like Holley or try to trade Choice. Right now, I still feel the Cowboys should keep Choice unless they get a great offer and still find some veteran receiver in place of Holley. I know he’s a special team ace but he’s not going to do anything at WR and I don’t trust Ogletree. I agree on Holland but wonder if Jerry is willing to gamble knowing he paid him a 500K bonus for the year.
As for defense, outside of Butler, that 09 draft gets worse. AOA has shown nothing and I still feel Brandon Williams, while he may get cut, will still create some discourse at Valley Ranch. I believe Mario Butler will get a long look at DB but the premise of Church and Sendejo as backups has me a bit ill. I don’t think they’ll keep 5 safeties.
Finally, as much as I admire him, I do believe that Campo is just not the answer at DB Coach. I’ve been pining for a replacement for him and Wade Wilson as QB for some time under the premise that they don’t seem to do anything that resembles development and consistency with their players. Most of the QB growth comes from Garrett.
Now A Revised 53 !!
Ok let me see how this works?? Rabble Rosr? so you create a post about a week ago saying who’s in and who’s out. And BOY!!! Lonyae Miller was the hottest thing on the team, now remember they were only playing touch football in camp anyway so everyone wants to see T. Choice on the chopping block and make L. Miller your next back up Rb. And once the lights came on and it was game time what did we see?? A DUD WOW! And now you post and you have T.Phillips as the next back up??? I mean Really? And how much work did Chapus put in during the game or even training camp? Jesse Holley so do we say that Jesse Holley is a great receiver because he went against the 2’s and 3’s?? How do we know that he capabable of doing that against D. Revis and some other great DB’s?Wow! And now your’re hype about the Golden Boy Alex Albright, I mean once again we’re talking about touch football in camp, Now during the game going against the 3’s all I can say is “what have you done for me lately”? look at the film again and let me know what you saw? maybe I missed something?? I’m sorry but because B. Williams is quiet dosen’t mean he isn’t doing anything? All I can say he played about three quarters and had his side contain without any mistakes as far as what I saw because if there were mistakes he probably wouldn’t have played that long. So who else will be next on your list to become Pro’s or Joe’s since you have all the facts and if its your opinion I say write on a piece of paper. A word of advice if it didn’t come from the coaching personnel it might be better to keep it to yourself, I really think it might be better if I find another blog because its too many certified football anal- ysis on this site. Deuces Beeeeeches!!! Cowboys for life!!
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Also I can tell you this…there isn’t a better blog out there…..But If you really feel this way…
I really think it might be better if I find another blog because its too many certified football anal- ysis on this site
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Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 14, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Well someone clearly doesnt know a blog is....
Its a blog @texaslomo everyone here is an expert
and there is no better blog i was happy to find this one
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Parnell’s story is more than a little like that of Nate Newton , Mark Tuinei
Neither one of those contributed to the Cowboys – for years. Nevertheless it was a pretty good investment for the Cowboys- no?
Besides you can’t count on Doug Free and Tyron Smith being healthy all year long.
There are always going to be injuries to key players
Get younger
Young teams don’t take in December
If I were the Cowboys I would be trying to trade Igor. He is useful but not to the Cowboys
Igor and a 7th for a sixth from Houston.
Trade of cut Holland
Brooking is useful but not for this team. He is 36 years old.
Keep Geathers
AOA
Parnell
Brandon Williams
or at worst trade Brandon Williams to the Patriots. They could use another pass rushing LB
I think really it is too early to give up on Brandon Williams and AOA
By the way I am not an Igor basher
I think he is a useful player for the right team.
Maybe the Bus. He would go well with Bowers
Or Houston he would go well with Mario Williams
or Chicago – he would go well with Peppers
by Jonathan Stern on Aug 14, 2011 10:20 PM CDT reply actions
Our depth sucks overall
I like the depth at QB and TE.The DL isn’t that bad either.I’d say CB is ok if Newman can come back healthy.The other positions really aren’t very good.I think this team will be lucky to win 9 games.It’s almost been 3 weeks and Murray hasn’t even participated in an NFL practice and you want him and Tanner as the backups,really.They should keep Choice on this team.Igor is a prime candidate to get cut because he’s about the highest paid D-lineman on the team and is one of the least productive.I still wouldn’t mind having him.We give up on AOA after 1 year?What’s wrong with this picture?Get a real GM already.This roster is about 9th or 10th best in the NFC.
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