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Answer: Jeremy Maclin

 

Question: Name the only first round draft pick selected by the Eagles that will see significant playing time for the Philadelphia Eagles in 2011?

Star-divide

The dis-honor roll is long and genuinely unimpressive:

 

2010: Brandon Graham – After trading up to select the defensive end from Michigan, the Eagles signed a 30+ defensive end last week to start opposite Trent Cole in their base 4-3 defensive scheme.

 

2009: Jeremy Maclin – Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds the acorn.

 

2008: No pick – acquired left tackle (Peters) from Buffalo

 

2007: No pick – traded to Cowboys for second round selection of Kevin Kolb (now in Arizona)

 

2006: Broderick Bunkley – Was such a difference maker that he got traded twice, once to Cleveland (he refused to go), and then to Denver.

 

2005: Mike Patterson – Another underachiever that left the Eagles needing to sign another 30+ year old defensive tackle

 

2004: Shawn Andrews – Released a week ago.

 

2003: Jerome McDougle – See above comment pertaining to Brandon Graham and double it.

 

2002: Lito Sheppard – Above average cornerback that no longer plays for the Eagles.  Only Pro Bowler on this list…Ouch!

 

2001: Freddie Mitchell – talked a lot, caught very little.

 

2000: Corey Simon – the first of a long line of first round draft underachievers for the new Eagles millennium.

 

1999: Donovan McNabb – In Minnesota, via Washington.

 

So the Eagles won free agency, the "all-hype team" (as per Rob Ryan), the annual Danny Snyder award.

 

Congratulations.

 

Maybe if the Philadelphia front office would have done a better job of drafting talented players in the first round, the Eagles would not have to drop over $100,000,000.00 on three guys.  Let that sink in for a minute…$100,000,000.00 for three players that are all over 30 years old and have won one playoff game between them (I believe Cullen Jenkins was injured during the Packers latest playoff run, but won a game in 2007).

 

Did the Packers sink over $100 million in free agents on their way to winning a Super Bowl last season?  How about the Saints, or the Steelers, or the Colts, or the (yuck!) Giants?  Has any team spent over $100 million in one off-season and even reached the Super Bowl in recent history?  Did the Steelers, or the Seahawks, or the Cardinals, or the Colts spend that much?

 

This season has disaster written all over it for the Philadelphia Eagles and their coaching staff:

  • Andy Reid has an offensive line coach serving as the defensive coordinator.  The closest thing I could find to compare is when the Raiders brought a coach to serve as the offensive coordinator after working in a bingo hall.  Needless to say, that did not go well.  By the way, the offensive line coach did not exactly do a great job on the offensive line either…
  • Michael Vick is hiding the warts of the Eagles offensive line in an eerily similar way to how Romo has over the last few seasons.  There is a reason Romo missed games in 2008 and 2010: those reasons were supposed to be blocking for him.  Vick also has a similar history of injury.
  • The Eagles are a pass first, pass second, and pass third team.  With Vick at quarterback, the Eagles posted the fifth best rushing attack in 2010.  That had more to do with Vick’s scrambles than the actual rushing attack, as without Vick’s yardage the Eagles would have ranked 20th.  Without a solid rushing attack, the Eagles are a one-dimensional offensive team solely relying on Vick to win.

The Eagles have made modest improvements on the defensive side of the ball through free agency.  The Eagles defense ranked an average 14th against the pass and 15th against the run in 2010.

This is not a last gasp effort to win a Super Bowl.  This smells more like a last gasp effort for Andy Reid to keep his job.  This also smacks of trying to hide the warts of past failed draft picks in the first round.

 

Since 2000, Dallas has the following players selected in the first round still on the team:

 

2010: Dez Bryant

 

2009: No pick – I, like Jerry, wish we had that trade back for Roy Williams.

 

2008: Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins

 

2007: Anthony Spencer

 

2006: Bobby Carpenter – BUST, but the only one of the decade: compare that to Philadelphia again

 

2005: DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears

 

2004: No pick – traded to Buffalo

 

2003: Terence Newman

 

2002: Roy Williams – OK maybe bust 1b of the decade

 

2001: No pick – Joey Galloway trade

 

2000: No pick – Joey Galloway trade

 

So even with two awful, terrible, horrendous trades, that cost the Cowboys three first round selections, the Cowboys still have kept 7 first round picks over the last decade.  Three have made the Pro Bowl.

 

So if Jerry Jones is truly one of the worst GM’s in the NFL (which I strongly disagree with), what does that make the Eagles GM?

 

By the way, where is the mainstream media on all this?  Again, just wondering?

 

One more parting shot (a two-fer):

 

Hey Philly fan, ask Danny Snyder how wild free agent spending has helped his team win a Super Bowl.

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Great post and I agree 100%

You can’t buy a championship in football, team chemistry is way too important and I’m loving the fact that Jackson is sitting at home with his arms crossed, absolutely fuming about all these FAs getting huge contracts while he’s getting nothing.

Can you say IMPLOSION??

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 2, 2011 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

hahaha

The Best Article I have read so far… So many fans have criticized JJ for his moves… this article sheds a little light on how REALLY BAD some other teams have done during the same time period…

by Mazmar on Aug 2, 2011 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd

I keep hearing this Philly team being compared to the Miami Heat. The Heat made it to the NBA Championship. I dont think the Eagles will make it that far. They will be good and probably win this division, but I dont think a Mike Vick-led team will ever win a Super Bowl.

by TCBinNYC on Aug 2, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Something else of note

Who said that they were the dream team? Vince Young, a player currently on a rebound course in a backup role. Also an Eagle. This did not come from any media source, a newspaper, a player on another team, but a member of the Eagles. Isn’t it common sense that one of the lamest things anyone can do is give themselves a nickname? If not then I might as well start calling myself D-licious…

Oh, and just in case of any retorts regarding the nickname “America’s Team”, you may want to check this out:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d8074cf30/Top-Ten-Nicknames-America-s-Team

You heard it from the NFL itself. The Dallas Cowboys are America’s Team and is a legitimate name because it wasn’t self proclaimed.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 2, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tantrums are rational?

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 2, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know a few that are cant miss .

They should be here or they’re reading this now and will post something BGN.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 2, 2011 4:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's o.k.

We’re ready:

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Aug 2, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umm where's rnds 2-7?

I would bet Eagles win those

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

No excuses for ourselves. We gotta be better in everything as garret would say

by somebodyquiet on Aug 2, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

The Eagles might be the best-run franchise in the conference over the last dozen years.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe not best run

most consistent. Problem with this year is they finally broke their mold and reason for being so.

by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 2, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya how many drafts do they have that were absolute busts?

Can’t say we haven’t had any full draft busts unfortunately

Semper Fi Do or Die

Thanks a lot Nnamdi for wasting a whole day of productivity at work and stressing me out. Now we get to destroy you twice a year and I'll call us even.

by Jeremiah_24 on Aug 2, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprise! No, they do not.

From 2000 to 2010, the Cowboys have selected Pro Bowlers in the following rounds and through Undrafted Free Agency (UFA):

2nd round: 1
3rd round: 1
4th round: 1
5th round:
6th round: 1
7th round: 1
UFA: 3

From 2000 to 2010, the Eagles have selected Pro Bowlers in the following rounds and through Undrafted Free Agency (UFA):

2nd round: 2
3rd round: 2
4th round:
5th round: 1
6th round:
7th round:
UFA: 1

Remember that the Cowboys have also selected more Pro Bowlers in the first round since 2000 than the Eagles, so the final count is:

Dallas: 8 drafted Pro Bowlers, and 3 Undrafted Free Agents – 11 total
Philadelphia: 7 drafted Pro Bowlers, and 1 Undrafted Free Agents – 8 total

Both teams have selected five Pro Bowlers from rounds 2-7. Dallas has more Pro Bowlers selected in round one and after the draft.

Dallas still has 10 of those Pro Bowlers on the team (only Barber III and Folk have left). The Eagles only have 2 (only Trent Cole and DeSean Jackson remain).

Dallas drafts better than Philadelphia. Dallas signs Undrafted Free Agents way better than Philadelphia. Dallas has better fans than Philadelphia.

I am working on the stat for the last one. A little help here O.C.C.?

by ScarletO on Aug 2, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

so let me get this straight...

Dallas went 6-10, had no shot at the playoffs….yet is still America’s Favorite team to watch?

yep gues that means that we are America’s team…not the saints, not the Patriots…the Dallas freaking Cowboys!!!

Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 2, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not the Cheeseheads, not Steeler Nation . . . : )

"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic

With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Aug 2, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only team to be over 100% attendance both home AND away

Although, how do you get 108% attendance?!

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Aug 3, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stadium tickets aren't limited to seating capacity only

The standing sections have tickets too, and that is how many people are willing to go to a game and stand to watch it. From the sound of it, about an average of 6,000+ people attend the games and are not in the traditional seats

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 3, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thx

Makes sense – the new stadium seems to have a lot more of these “non-traditional” areas than any other stadium I have seen.

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Aug 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is Dallas America's Team?

Here is why :)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/09000d5d8074cf30/Top-Ten-Nicknames-America-s-Team

You heard it straight from the NFL itself, the Dallas Cowboys are America’s team, and the #1 nickname in the history of the NFL.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 2, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

prowbowl is not a good way to judge

Because it doesnt account for the other 30bust we had and the 20 serivable role players they had, hypothetically

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 2, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya I agree with Ham on this one Scarlet.

There have been posts here that show the Eagles get more starters and significant contributors on their team per pick then we do. I’m sorry to say that but we miss they miss everyone misses, we just miss more often then they do. Basically what you’ve shown is we are a night/day draft team while they are a consistently decent draft team. We draft more hits and misses but they draft servicible starters on the regular.

Semper Fi Do or Die

Thanks a lot Nnamdi for wasting a whole day of productivity at work and stressing me out. Now we get to destroy you twice a year and I'll call us even.

by Jeremiah_24 on Aug 2, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

The Eagles pretty consistently picked late in the first round due to their on-field to success. I think they did ok, considering they had to spend first round picks on second round talent.

We sort of picked all over the place but mostly lower twenties to top ten. There is absolutely no way you can say the Eagles of the last ten years have drafted worse than the Cowboys of the last ten years.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you. I was hoping someone would mention this:

Dallas picks
2010: 24
2009:
2008: 22, 25
2007: 26
2006: 18
2005: 11, 20
2004:
2003: 5
2002: 8
2001:
2000:

Average: 17.67

Philadelphia picks
2010: 13
2009: 19
2008:
2007:
2006: 14
2005: 31
2004: 16
2003: 15
2002: 26
2001: 25
2000: 6

Average: 18.33

Yeah, the Eagles have averaged a first round draft pick less than one spot later than the Cowboys over that time. So one spot leads to poor drafting?

by ScarletO on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if you include the traded picks?

I’m guessing so many “DNP’” for us skews the numbers a bit.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me this

What if you consider that Philly cuts its exposure to over the hill vets? Count games started, and look at your results with a critical eye. You will be enlightened. You know better than this.

Besides, your “average” draft choice includes other teams’ draft choices. You were probably the same dude front running Julius Jones as our first round pick that year.

Tell me this, since it’s the standard around these parts, how many games did each team’s players start or play in for division or conference championship teams? Playoff teams? “The bye week is a playoff win” teams?

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously? I think the point was made....

The Eagles are “over-hyped”…lol

Not to mention they are historically the least successful NFC East team with their ZERO Lombardi trophies.

by CaliFanInTx on Aug 2, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're reaching pretty far there to take up for the Iggles

"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic

With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Aug 2, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did I reach?

And did I need to reach to prove the conventional wisdom: Philly has been more successful than us in the last 12 years and has drafted more effectively in the first round in the same time period? I don’t have to reach, and the burden of proof isn’t really on me.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Asking the person you're talking to to post stats?

Talk about weak. Go research and post your own stats, or don’t bring them up.

Does anyone else think that if you fused Jason Garrett and Rob Ryan into one person, he may be a lot like Tom Landry?

by White Wolf on Aug 3, 2011 5:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Posters here do a good job presenting their stats

ScarletO did a good job presenting stats. Posting up numbers takes more time than I can put into it right now.

Stats in themselves are kind of masturbatory. I’m asking for more critical rigor, and I don’t need to post up stats to address stats. I absolutely don’t need stats to make the point I wanted to make.

by Leon on Aug 3, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup
Tell me this, since it’s the standard around these parts, how many games did each team’s players start or play in for division or conference championship teams? Playoff teams?

Denial. I love this game.

Does anyone else think that if you fused Jason Garrett and Rob Ryan into one person, he may be a lot like Tom Landry?

by White Wolf on Aug 3, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the Andy Reid era

Games over .500: 45
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 1
Division Championships: 7

We had what? One division title? One playoff win? And we’re right at .500? Not sure. Correct me if I’m wrong.

by Leon on Aug 3, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was trying to make a simple point really.

Don’t ask someone else to do research for points you are trying to make. You then replied that you don’t have the time, and you don’t need stats to make your point. So I block-quoted where you had asked someone else to post stats to make your point, to show you what I was talking about, to which you responded with, I guess, a comparison of the Eagles vs the Cowboys. I don’t know what all that other stuff you’re talking about has to do with my point. Nor do I think it’s that important.

Peace out, Leon.

Does anyone else think that if you fused Jason Garrett and Rob Ryan into one person, he may be a lot like Tom Landry?

by White Wolf on Aug 3, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't ask anyone to post any stats

If you don’t know the answers to the questions I asked, you are not paying attention. I posted numbers because you asked for them and gave a general sense you are not paying attention. If you don’t know why these things are important, you are not paying attention.

Critical thinking, my man.

I’ll bring a broom when we sweep them. Peace out that.

by Leon on Aug 3, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow....

Nice feel good post to end the work day.

Thanks!

I can sense the dark side of the force in turmoil as JimmyK works on his rebuttal.

Go Cowboys.....Go White Sox.....

by goat3000 on Aug 2, 2011 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

ha

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 3, 2011 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like a Beanie. .

Defense wears them in practice to help the QB deferentiate between offensive and defensive players. We usually wear ours on our helmets but that was when they were without pads.

by dallasgoesalltheway on Aug 2, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other team wears a raspberry beret

The kind you find in a second-hand store…

by kindablue on Aug 2, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please,

Don’t ever refence Prince again.
Not just on this board.
EVER haha.

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 3, 2011 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

McNabb wasn't a Pro-Bowler?
2002: Lito Sheppard – Above average cornerback that no longer plays for the Eagles. Only Pro Bowler on this list…Ouch!

Semper Fi Do or Die

Thanks a lot Nnamdi for wasting a whole day of productivity at work and stressing me out. Now we get to destroy you twice a year and I'll call us even.

by Jeremiah_24 on Aug 2, 2011 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

You can't count McNabb anyway

The draft is only supposed to go back to 2000. McNabb was drafted in 1999. Only included because people would be wondering “Well, what about McNabb”.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 2, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nicely done Scarlet rec'd

One point though, I do think they feel that they can make a SB run as long as Vick remains healthy. There banking on this happening in the next 2 years. Reid’s status is unknown and I’m unaware of any grumblings from Lurie. As a minor counterpoint, I think Reid’s status will go down the tubes if he doesn’t come through with all these high priced signings rather than the other way around.

by pfloyd1 on Aug 2, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Big name FA Signings commonly lead to cap problems

Why do you think it took so long for Nnamdi to sign with someone? Because they know the repurcussions of paying one player that much money. As great of a signing as the Deion Sanders acquisition was, it did hurt our cap in years to come. That and players being forced to retire early (Aikman and Irvin) threw a wrench in things as well. The Jets were lucky to be able to get Revis back for less money than what Nnamdi was making. That could have hurt them bad for a while.

Resignings not quite as much throughout the league, but that was Dallas’s trouble recently. I was always kind of suspicious why players never held out in Dallas. Jerry was always willing to pay them their money, so hopefully that changes now and he is a little smarter about that.

On a side note, this is the first year with a rookie cap meaning more money for vets. The contracts you see now won’t be anything compared to the future contracts I think. This may cause problems for Philly in a couple of years with all of these signings seeing how much others are making at their position and all of them wanting more money or be traded…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 2, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Philly is being overhyped and maybe JJ isnt as bad as we say or Philly as good as the mainstream media says but ….. when comparing GM’s does Philly have a entire draft class 2 years old with zero productive players? 2009 V Butler, D Buehler, and J Phillips …. backup OLB, inconsistant K, and a 3rd TE thats all we got out of our 2009 draft.

by youpokedthebear on Aug 2, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Results of a bad trade

That is just what happens when you don’t select anyone until round 3. Just look up the ratio of how many players become impact players that are drafted between rounds 3 and 6, not a very large percentage. Your 7th rounders and UDFAs get that chip on their shoulder and play up and exceed expectations, working extra hard to prove everyone wrong.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 2, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you all saw that Philly just signed RB-Ronnie Brown.

As much as I hate them, you do have to admit that they are indeed a very well-run organization.

They’re also building for the future with all of those picks in the 2012 draft.

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by silverblue5 on Aug 2, 2011 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I think they drafted him to give McCoy a break and run......

not sure blocking is the reason for the 1 year signing.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 2, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do they actually run with McCoy enough...

for him to really need a break?;)

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Aug 2, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Eagles just signed Ryan Harris.

An offensive tackle that the lowly Denver Broncos did not want ot re-sign.

by ScarletO on Aug 2, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised...

they haven’t signed Bryant McKinnie yet.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Aug 2, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harris and Brown are one-year deals (I believe)

Whoever said that the Eagles were gearing up for a 2011 run for the Super Bowl may be on to something…but they’re still set for the future with all of those draft picks in 2012.

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by silverblue5 on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were like 55M under the cap at the start of FA

Because they have maximized their cap and draft and done a good job of managing both.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You guys need to read up.

The Eagles have escape clauses on those contracts. If they cut the players they have NO dead cap space liability. They are making really good decisions.

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 3, 2011 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

LaCanfora video, plus I think I remember JimmyK writing about this too.
Not trying to be a douche and call you out, but it needs to be said. They have done fantastic maneuvering.

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 3, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Eagles, as the Patriots, stockpile draft choices more so than other teams.

With more draft picks consistently, they’re more likey to hit on some of them. Even Belichick often misses with some of his picks but he always has so many the a few misses aren’t seen as obvious faux pas.

by pfloyd1 on Aug 2, 2011 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Great Post.

Let the media crown them and ignore the obvious.

I for one am very happy that the Eagles are wearing the pre-season crown this year. As we cowboys fans now all too well, heavy lies the head (see 2008 and 2010).

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Aug 2, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

good post man.

Didnt realize the Eagles dont hit much on their first round picks. Here’s a thought. Do the Eagles stockpile their picks cause they’re not as good at drafting as people might think? The more picks the more chances to not look bad, right?

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 2, 2011 4:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Good post. I don't agree on calling RW a bust though.

The end was painful, but he was a decent player in the beginning. Overall, not a great career, but I think bust is harsh.

The Eagles strategy has never worked to produce a title, and I agree that it likely won’t this time.

Their biggest issue IMO though is Vick. I just don’t think he is any good. Before the whole dog thing went down, I called him the “most overrated player in the history of professional sports”, and I don’t think he is as good now as he was then.

by fivetwos on Aug 2, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Agree. That was the only negative in the post. For several years, as we all know, Roy was our best player and face of the team.

by ChuckCowboy on Aug 3, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

good post

/waits for the horde of eagles fans who scour rival sites for any negative eagles talk

by johnnypocket on Aug 2, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

the trolls are on other posts right now

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 2, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love it

Something worth mentioning is that the Eagles actually went through a severe draft drought from 2002, when they got Brian Westbrook, Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown, until 2008 when they picked DeSean Jackson and 2009 with Macklin and McCoy. In between, they could only manage Shawn Andrews in 2004, who burned bright for a few years than flamed out; and Brent Celek in 2007. Todd Herremans has been decent but not spectacular. Jamaal Jackson was a good center for a few years, but wasn’t drafted. And that’s pretty much it.

If there’s a moral to this story, it’s that drafting isn’t nearly as important as good coaching. Reid has been a good offensive mind, and when Jim Johnson was coaching they consistently had one of the best defenses in the league.

So when we rip Jerry for his drafts, remember that who he picks as his coaches is far more important.

Did I say “draft drought” or was it “draft draught”? Is it Miller Time Yet? :-)

by kindablue on Aug 2, 2011 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  


Come up with some performance stats on former-Oline-coach-turned-DC’s who haven’t coached D in 22 years (even though it was HS ball), especially one’s bright enough to head-butt their players and cut their own head open and she’s they’re all yours.

There’ll be no draught drought in Cowboys country.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 2, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the St. Paulie girl

"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic

With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Aug 2, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hauf Brau House!

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 3, 2011 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post Scarlet-O

A few things you missed though first lets start with DRAFT POSITION
The Eagles traded up to get Graham, Bunkley, Andrews, and Mcdougle. So Draft position is skewed.

2nd You stated that Shepard was the only Pro Bowler on the list. Again…..WRONG
Andrews, Mcnabb and Simon made the Pro Bowl.

3rd Mike Patterson is still a starter for the team has been the most consistant of all the Eagles DT’s since being drafted.

And yes the Cowboys have been able to draft better talent as they have annually drafted higher than the Eagles over the last 10 years.

So, to answer your question only of the Eagles 8 1st rounders will play for the team in 2011. Maclin and Patterson.

Brandon Graham was injured and is still rehabbing and could still play this season as he has not been placed on the pup list as yet.

Now the Cowboys who have drafted better than the Eagles over the last 10 Years will play 5 of their 7 1st rounders in 2011.

No argument with that the cowboys have drafted better than the Eagles over the last 10 years but instead of making it an intelligence or talent evalution thing put it into it’s real perspective…….THE COWBOYS HAVE DRAFTED BETTER THAN THE EAGLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD A WORSE RECORD THAN THE EAGLES OVER THE SAME 10 YEARS THERFORE ALLOWING THEM TO DRAFT HIGHER THAN THE EAGLES………….

Stop hating dude and let’s get ready for some football. Stop worrying about what the Eagles are doing and worry about what the Cowboys are NOT doing. There are 3 safeties out there the Cowboys can use yet none have been signed yet. Use that 4th RB you have to trade for another tackle so you won’t have 2 rookies on one side of the offensive line. Ask Jerry who his 3rd WR is going to be or the 4th WR for that matter.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 2, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Welcome Eagle lover

First off it’s not skewed just cause you traded up. He was right, you guys drafted at that point , doesn’t matter what got you to that point. The Cowboys and Eagles have drafted only one apart in avg. so win loss seems to be irrelevant here. The Cowboys haven’t drafted better than the Eagles as a whole, just in the First round.

The hating part is kinda uncalled for though. His post is no different than posts put on the BGN regarding the Cowboys. I guess BGN should worry about themselves too huh? I bet you don’t call them haters when they post material regarding the Cowboys do you? NO! So why throw that piece in there? Your team is doing well in the offseason and wish you all the best of luck.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 2, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You sir, are wrong

Teams like the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Raiders, have all drafted ahead of the Cowboys and have failed big time in drafting good players….while teams like the Patriots have drafted after the Cowboys each year and drafted much better. Draft position doesn’t really matter at all, because there is an abundance of talent all over the board it’s just a matter of being able to find it, to be able to do that, and do it very well, then you need

an intelligence or talent evalution thing

And if you don’t believe that the draft is 100% based on talent evaluation and intelligence, then you are sorely mistaken.

One more thing:

THE COWBOYS HAVE DRAFTED BETTER THAN THE EAGLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD A WORSE RECORD THAN THE EAGLES OVER THE SAME 10 YEARS THERFORE ALLOWING THEM TO DRAFT HIGHER THAN THE EAGLES

If this is truly the case, and the argument that you want to put forth, then why aren’t the Bengals, Browns, Bills, Raiders, at the top of the league right now? If it has less to do with talent evaluation, and more to do with draft position, then you should have a very good, eye opening argument for me.

"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones

by KJDH2154 on Aug 2, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

BTW

Im not a troll I have brothers that have been Cowboy fans for 38 and 30 years. I have no choice but to follow the Cowboys as we talk football all the time. Good luck this season.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 2, 2011 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

That good luck would mean a lot more

If it was immediately followed by a wish to commit terrorism in Arlington. You won’t find many people who talk about the Eagles here in their signatures… and yet… we’re the ones obsessed with you.

"I don't know; we haven't played Alabama yet." -Vince Lombardi

by TexaninNYC on Aug 2, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Correct

Eagles fan cheer the career-ending injury of a Hall of Famer, throw batteries at opposing teams, root for players with criminal records…but they are morally superior to everyone else. Because they are! If they wish for genocidal terrorist attacks on innocent people, it’s because they’re people of high character, ethics and moral fiber. Unlike the women and children that would have perished in the attack.

by kindablue on Aug 2, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh lord not that again.

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde

"I would go to battle any time with these guys"-MV7

by TricksterG on Aug 4, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha I fail that test. No terrorism though.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Aug 2, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just went to BGN for the first time

Um, I have no words. Those people make DeSean Jackson look like the poster boy for JG’s RKG. You know how badly BTB took them signing Nnamdi? They equally went overboard over… RR talking smack…

by Specific on Aug 2, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too. But only recently lol

Semper Fi Do or Die

Thanks a lot Nnamdi for wasting a whole day of productivity at work and stressing me out. Now we get to destroy you twice a year and I'll call us even.

by Jeremiah_24 on Aug 3, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

…your sig notwithstanding (really, you shouldn’t live in the past), I’m curious, given Nnamdi’s relative performance vs the Bolts’ tall, athletic receivers, are you at all concerned Austin/Bryant may make the signing questionable with respect to the Cowboys/Eagles rivalry? While I figure he was a decent pickup, for you guys or anyone, if I was the QB, I’d test him just like anyone to see if the rep’s valid and make any guy earn his game-pay. Figure we both (all?) know any given play, any guy, it could go either way.

btw, I think the luck we wish each other’s of the “no injuries, good game” sort. In that spirit, good luck this season too.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 2, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

so what happened to you?

your mama drop you on your head?

by rabblerousr on Aug 3, 2011 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Consider AV's and the draft value chart

Consider not just the slot where a player was taken, but what was given to get to that slot. Throw in overall draft grades, team needs, that kind of thing, just for giggles. If you want, I can give this kind of rebuttal. You won’t like it.

For instance, McNabb has about twice the AV of Ware. Maclin and Felix have practically the same AV’s despite Felix having an 50% more years in which to accrue value.

This is what happens when you place totally abstract numbers and figures and just throw them out there.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Abstract Numbers??????

Isn’t that what this whole post was about? I mean, aside from the fact that the Cowboys have far more of their #1’s still on the roster over the last 10 years everything in this article was a bunch of abstract numbers that happened to be WRONG.

Felix may have the ability and the time to accrue more value than Mcnabb but will he? See there to is another of those ABSTRACT #’s.

Look I read a post that looked interesting and in reading I found more than one wrong statment and corrected (even though I did add a bit my own perseption in).

To Dubious:
I personally have not written or read a post BASHING the Cowboys for improving the the team. As a matter of fact up until the Roy Williams and followed by the signing of T.O. I admired Jones for his willingness to go out and get the talent needed to win. Now the Eagles, who have mainly sat on the sideline when it came ot acquiring talent outside of the draft, have done the same thing it seems as if the entre league and it’s fans has decided the Eagles are Satan and must be destroyed. So of course any fan of a team that has invested the time I have in one team as a fan (35 years) will take offense to an article that is PURPOSELY written with bad information to rile up Eagle fans.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 2, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about me? No response? Because you can’t come up with a counterargument?

"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones

by KJDH2154 on Aug 2, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I just didn't respond to you but this is why theose other teams failed.

Bengals owner is a miser and has thin skin. No way in the world do you hold a player hostage like he has done with their former QB.

The Lions MATT MILLEN no moe needs to be said.

The Browns are still basically a new team but, with the current management in place they are turning the team around.

Raiders? do I really have to answer that one?

Bills? see Bengals.

The FO of these teams are nothing like the Cowboys. Jerry had a coach who could make a dog meow like a cat in Jimmy Johnson. From 90 to 95 the Cowboys were THE GOLD STANDARD. But, something happened, wether it was Jimmy leaving or Jerry taking over the polish came off of the good decisions.

Trading for Roy Williams, Even though he’s a good player and I expect good things from him drafting Dez Bryant was not the best move for Dallas. You already had Austin T.O. and Williams but spent a 1st round pick on Dez. Signing aging players to contract extensions and paying out big bonuses. I won’t go any further because the Eagles have no Lombardi’s and the Cowboys have 5. But I think I answered you.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 3, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drafting Dez was a bad move? lmao

Seriously? Are you really serious or joking?

The talent of a Dez doesn’t come around every draft. I expect you to say it was bad cause well he will cause problems for your team. If he performs to this talent level , we will have a number 1 for years to come. Btw, Randy Moss says hello in 1998.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

You want to talk mistakes when it comes to drafting receivers.

Why did the Eagles draft basically a lesser version of DeSean in Maclin when they could’ve made themselves a much more versatile passing attack by instead drafting a bigger model of receiver in Nicks? I think that will come back to bite them in a major way.

Plus they must only wake you for the important meetings if you think T.O. was still a Cowboy when they drafted Dez. Wake up. T.O. was let go prior to the ’09 season.

by MadMick on Aug 3, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maclin is not impressive.

"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.

by LDVFootball on Aug 3, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maclin is not impressive?

I hope Dez has not impressive second year as Maclin dad last year. Good job on being a homer on this issue.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 3, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

so if u had a choice of either receiver

Who would you take right now?

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sample size

would have a person take Maclin. If Dez has a productive year or two then one can make an argument for him.

by Dr Phil E Fan on Aug 3, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just based on talent alone and ceiling

Dez all the way imo.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talent & Ceiling

are defiantly bias perspectives. If you go by those then Ricky Wms would be better than having a Ryan Grant…

by Dr Phil E Fan on Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of perspectives,

I still don’t think many would take Maclin over Dez.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nicks and Maclin

#’s are almost identical for their careers.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 3, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Nicks has played in four less games to accumulate slightly better numbers.

Although to be fair I guess the fact that the bigger Nicks has missed that many games is actually a slight point in Maclin’s favor. But those are probably just minor hiccups as even an all-time great like Irvin missed a bunch of games early on in his career.

Anyhow, my point goes beyond just mere numbers; which by the way even as a bigger receiver on the same number of receptions in their careers so far, Nicks has 33 receptions of 20-plus yards to Maclin’s 24; in four less games played.

But to my main point, Nick is simply going to go up and get jump balls against tight coverage or make other tough catches in traffic more so than the slighter less physical Maclin is capable of. And aside from shaking guys, it’s no contest who is tougher to tackle in the open field where Hicks is on par with vintage T.O. in that regard.

It’s really not even a question how much better off the Eagles would be by pairing Jackson with a more physical lead receiver (yes, Nicks is more of a lead receiver than even Jackson) than a lesser version of himself in Maclin.

by MadMick on Aug 3, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I like Nicks i think he is the new Toomer on your team.

But people over hype Jackson. He reminds me of Alvin Harper with the Cowboys. Haper too tried to handcuff the team for more money and was allowed to go to the Bucc to become the #1 WR we all know how that turned out. People that say that Jackson is better than Maclin need to see the important #‘s TD’s , First Downs

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 3, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson is more dangerous

he causes the defense to use more help to cover him , which opens the field more for Maclin. I would take Jackson over Maclin anyday.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion.

Hate the Giants; respect Nicks’ game.

As for Harper; apparently two rings was plenty for him and all he was worried about was getting paid. I don’t begrudge a man his business decisions. But on-the-field if you’re really putting Harper in the same universe as Jackson in regards to being a singular explosive threat, you’re massively UNDERSELLING your own guy. When has Jackson ever gotten the one-on-one most favorable matchups Harper got?

Jackson is a guy with defenses still selling out to stop him and him alone; (even at the expense of letting Maclin get off) he still burns them at an unheard-of rate for big plays. To me, Maclin is in that same tier with Harvin; top 15-20, far more valuable if they’re allowed to be 2nd bananas. Harvin’s upside is probably higher but they’re both guys who are far more valuable as sidekicks to bigger possession receivers with more tricks in their bag.

They’re really more likely to make big plays after the catch in the middle of the field than constantly stretch a defense the way a true burner like Jackson does. As much as Maclin is touted as a big play guy(like I said that’s primarily yards after the catch on passes he catches in a soft spot in the defense) is he half the deep threat Jackson is?

Nope.

by MadMick on Aug 5, 2011 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that the entire league and it's fans

hates
a. the scumbag quarterback
b. the self proclaimed Dream Team moniker.

Personally, I love it. Anything to let Dallas fly under the radar and be the underdog is great in my book.

that which doesn't kill you, probably hurts like hell.

by JasonAHeath on Aug 2, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aww hell,...

… I know it’s tough sometimes, ignoring the media BS and some of the fan things, guy, but seriously, about the “it seems as if the entre league and it’s fans has decided the Eagles are Satan and must be destroyed” stuff, it’s not that tough to deal with. We’ve been doing it for years. Dealing with being the Great Satan and all. Revel in the notoriety. It’s all BS. What matters is what happens on the field between 60:00:00 and 00:00:00.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 2, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eagle you should be more informed cause I actually posted how I admired what your FO is doing this year.

And to sit here and tell me , BGN has not done any bashing of Dallas imroving its team is laughable to say the least. There isn’t anything about the Cowboys you all haven’t blasted. Its the way fans are and to act all high and mighty is absurd. You really should read more of your own blog site and the comments before coming here to preach on us,

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
•Andy Reid has an offensive line coach serving as the defensive coordinator. The closest thing I could find to compare is when the Raiders brought a coach to serve as the offensive coordinator after working in a bingo hall.

You’re speaking of Tom Walsh, who operated a B&B in Idaho before coming in to coach Randy Moss and Co. in Oakland. Walsh also served as mayor of that town.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Aug 2, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Bingo dude...

was one of Joe Gibbs’ coordinators when he came back to the Redskins.

But, then again, I could be mistaken.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Aug 2, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are also right sir!

The old Seattle Seahawks quarterback, Zorn I think, was the head coach. Danny Snyder tried to push him into quitting by hiring the guy at the bingo hall to call his offense while Zorn stood by on the sidelines, immasculated.

So there have been more coordinators from bingo halls and bed and breakfasts than there have been offensive position coaches becoming defensive coordinators. That cannot be a good stat.

by ScarletO on Aug 2, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow! This Moss thing affected you more than I figured.

Talk about ancillary, bordering on extraneous, detail on a player a guy figured the Cowboys shoulda picked.

Hands down, you take the cake.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 2, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can I eat it too?

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Aug 3, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh BTW

Tom Landry was the offensive, defensive and special teams coordinator during his time in Dallas. It’s not the position you coach it’s the knowledge of the game have that makes a great coach.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it

by eaglelover1 on Aug 2, 2011 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

just for that

Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 2, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is great.

You guys really have no other topic more popular than a thread which refers to the Eagles? I’ve been an Eagles fan for a long time and we’ll see how these moves play out once the season starts. Yes, we have no SB wins. On the other side of the coin, the current front office and coaching staff has dominated the Cowboy franchise for over a decade.

You can mock us for our lack of rings but I could care less about that. We are contenders every year. In fact, the last year where we were NOT contenders was 2005 with the whole TO fiasco. You can throw up any statistic you’d like about how many draft picks turned into probowlers, or who builds their team better through the draft. Pull any statistic you’d like. The fact of the matter is this: The Eagles have turned their entire team over since 2004, we’ve only had two seasons (2005, 2008) (check me on that, I could be wrong) where we’ve missed the playoffs in the past 10 years, and we are one of the top 5 youngest teams in the NFL.

But y’know what, keep talking about us on your website. I’m sure the Eagles aren’t in your heads.

by thwalls on Aug 2, 2011 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   3 recs

I want a link of you guys being top 5 youngest teams in the NFL….you just signed a bunch of 30+ FA. Please, enlighten me

"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones

by KJDH2154 on Aug 2, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected. We were top 5 last year,

We’ve gone from 25.2 years to 25.8 years. We’re a bunch of old timers. =)

by thwalls on Aug 2, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

isn’t your 1st round unsigned rookie 26? This 25.8 seems off but if it’s right kudos to you.

by livemontana on Aug 2, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You guys also have a story on your front page about the Cowboys D-coordinator, it’s called a rivalry, of course we’re going to talk about other teams, I have to assume BGN has talked about something the Cowboys have done once or twice

"I still feel like I have something to offer, and the cynical fan can really kiss my ass. I really don’t care. There’s a bunch of true fans and the people who actually want to take the time to get to know me know who I am. The guy who sits in his mom’s basement and types on his mom’s computer, I couldn’t really care less about." - Chipper Jones

by KJDH2154 on Aug 2, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Talk about a team permanently being in a rival’s heads.

by Leon on Aug 2, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Pull any statistic you’d like"

Okay! What is Andy Reid’s record against Dallas since Parcells left, including playoff games?

by kindablue on Aug 2, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, screw that...

…I’ll stick to the simplest one (otherwise known as the braggin’ rights stat): What was the score the last time we played?

Being a simpleton, I need to keep it simple.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 2, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and yet...

Here you are, fresh off signing the Dream Team and being so gosh-darn amazing that the other 31 teams should just forfeit, on a Cowboys blog. You know how many times I’ve been to BGN ever? Zero. Should tell you who obsesses about whom.

"I don't know; we haven't played Alabama yet." -Vince Lombardi

by TexaninNYC on Aug 2, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see . . . what about 2009?

You made the playoffs, but . . . didn’t you lose to the same team two weeks in a row?

"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic

With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Aug 2, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the Eagles blog never talks about the Cowboys.

Never, never. Well, I was over there the other day and saw not just a story by JimmyK on the Cowboys, who spends an awful lot of time posting here, but the language was atrocious, the posters were ranting, and the general tone of the conversation, (if you can call it that) was that you have already won the Super Bowl before a game has even been played. You realize you now have to give Vick, Jackson, & eventually Maclin the same type of money or they will become disgruntled players. Your team is not done spending.

Does anyone else think that if you fused Jason Garrett and Rob Ryan into one person, he may be a lot like Tom Landry?

by White Wolf on Aug 3, 2011 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not take it as mutual respect?

This part, though, is just plain self-delusion…

You can mock us for our lack of rings but I could care less about that.

If credibility is at all important to you, admit it in bold type and move on.

If not, you’re probably not a fan Lurie wants rrooting for his team.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Aug 3, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is standard Eagles fan denial

Dallas fans crave to add more Lombardis to the franchise trophy case.

Eagles fans want to taunt Cowboys fans.

I’ve seen this silliness go on for oh, four decades.

by kindablue on Aug 3, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can mock us for our lack of rings but I could care less about that.

It’s the only argument I need, Shawn!

July 26th, 2011. The day the new era of the Dallas Cowboys began!

"I don’t know if we win all-hype team. I think that might have gone to somebody else, but we’re going to beat their ass when we play them." - Rob Ryan
"I did a couple of push-ups, grabbed a couple of protein shakes and said, I'm ready to do it, Coach!" - Victor Butler

by fs65 on Aug 4, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

Jenkins will be playing DT for them, not DE. 3-4 defensive ends rarely play the same in a 4-3 front. They almost always translate to a DT. Someone like J.J. Watt (rookie for the Texans) is about the only player that might be a DE wherever he goes and whatever scheme he plays.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 2, 2011 11:01 PM CDT reply actions  

We maybe in denial a little as most fans are to a point, hoping and wishing , we turn out better than most predict.

But seriously why say that and then come with the past arguements? You just made yourself look foolish here. There is only one arguement that can be said and that’s how many SB’S we have and your team has 0. Now see where this lead to? Guys at the BGN hate when Cowboy fans bring this up cause it hurts. So please don’t do the past arguements cause there is no way you will ever win. Good luck this year on your 1st one.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunno

Those things don’t end up in a trophy case so we don’t count them.

If you had a bling, you’d know that. But you don’t, so you get a ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card on this one.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Aug 3, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol blings

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You want to talk Playoff streaks how bout you check back to the landry days when we made the playoffs like 20 years in a row

If you want to start talking history that is fine, but I believe that works in our favor bud. Besides, no one cares about the past 10 years what you have done or what we have done in that same time span. Its in the past and no longer matters. And most of the players over the past 10 years probably don’t even play for our teams anymore…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 3, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the Eagles owned FA...

Player Cap charges….

- Asomugha: $10M in 2011, $16M in 2010
- Jenkins: $4M in 2011, $4.65M in 2010
- Young: $4M in 2011, $14.2M in 2010
- Babin: $5.3M in 2011, $1M in 2010 (was on a one-year deal)
- Rodgers-Cromartie: $2.1M in 2011 (has two years left on a rookie deal and will get a new deal)
- Ronnie Brown: $1 million, 1 year deal
- Ryan Harris: 1 year deal, dollar amount TBD
- Donald Lee: $800,000, 1 year deal
- Jarrad Page: 1 year deal, dollar amount TBD

The Eagles can get out of ALL the free-agent contracts they brought in after 2011 with virtually no cap charges, except for the Asomugha deal. That is how it’s done. Tell Jerry to take notes.

But hey, your $100 million for 3 players shpeel was cute. I’ll give you that. I’m not even going to get into the drafting thing which is laughable at best.

by Route36 on Aug 3, 2011 1:53 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

you have an ownership so cheap they were $55 million below the cap and ALWAYS unwilling to spend on talent, always a player away because Daddy Warbucks kept it to himself. And now obligated by NFL Law to Spend, you come over here and gloat? The problem is your team is too cheap and conservative, and that’s why Eagles fans will never taste the sweet nectar of Superbowl Victory.

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by AustonianAggie on Aug 3, 2011 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Route if these signings were so good for the Eagles, which I think they were for your team.

Then why all the talk of releasing them after 1 year? I don’t get it. I wouldn’t consider it a good FA signing if they last one year and then cut.

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The beauty of gentlemen

is that if this does not work as it is suppose to then The Eagles are off the hook. Other teams have signed big names and been stuck with large unproductive contracts. Honestly, as a fan of U.S. FOOTBALL first, I appreciate a team going aggressively after what they want. Every team is trying to get to the same place PLAYING IN THE SUPERBOWL. What team or fan doesn’t expect to pull out a winning season. Even the Bills are looking to do something. The Seahawks pulled off a great season.

by Dr Phil E Fan on Aug 3, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think your missing the point of my question

Its been nothing but praise from you all about the signings. I even complemented you all for a great offseason. The question was if these were classified as great signings , by us football fans, and by the Eagles FO. Then why in the same breathe would there be talk of releasing them after only one year. If a FO was that good, then they wouldn’t need a backup plan to cut their mistakes right?

"A mind focused on doubt and fear cannot focus on the journey to victory."

by dubious on Aug 3, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’s not to cut their mistakes. The FO have signed players who are still in their prime but won’t be in a couple years. They never give large contracts to 30+ players that they would be stuck with. That’s how they are able to manage the cap so well. When the Eagles sign big names players, it’s always players that are early in their prime(TO, Kearse, Asante, Peters(trade and extension etc..). This year, the FO is definitely in an “all in” mode(last year was a semi-rebuilding year but even that turned out good) so they gave some very good 30+ players nice contracts but if they don’t perform that well they will be released with no repercussions. If they do well, we will keep them. Simple. You should always have a backup plan in a big business.

by Route36 on Aug 3, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not how they managed their cap so well.

The old CBA had a salary floor of 84% of the cap.

The new CBA requires you to spend 90% of the cap this year and even more in the future.

Last year Philly paid $80.8 million. This year you must pay at least $108 million. The days of Philly being cheap are over.

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"I don’t know if we win all-hype team. I think that might have gone to somebody else, but we’re going to beat their ass when we play them." - Rob Ryan
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by fs65 on Aug 4, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great work, Scarlet. Rec'd.

Your glass is always half full. Adding a little context, since 2000 the Cowboys have drafted a total of 89 players, for a total of 5.6% of draft choices becoming pro bowl players. The Eagles have drafted a total of 106 players since 2000, for a total of 4.7% of drafted players becoming pro bowlers.

Now the Eagles model has been a very good one, I don’t dispute that. And the Cowboys have had their draft struggles. But it seems the Cowboys are now the team that intends to build a young & talented roster, while the Eagles seem to have abandoned their model in favor of the Cowboys model. Granted, it’s only one year, but it’s a departure.

Does anyone else think that if you fused Jason Garrett and Rob Ryan into one person, he may be a lot like Tom Landry?

by White Wolf on Aug 3, 2011 6:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I said it up the thread as a reply,

but I’ll say it again. The Eagles have opt-out clauses for all of their new multi-year contracts except Nnamdi’s. If they cut these guys loose, they have little-to-no future cap liability. They also signed a few one year contracts. They have done things right, except that with the shortened offseason they may not be able to bring things together.
Say it reeks of desperation, but they built a team.

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 3, 2011 7:23 AM CDT reply actions  

you were right with most except
So the Eagles won free agency, the “all-hype team” (as per Rob Ryan), the annual Danny Snyder award.

c’mon. u know this award goes to the cowboys.
no one ever really thought the skins were to amount to anything.
you were supposed to win teh superbowl the last 5 years

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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 3, 2011 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

this.

i have always and will always hate the eagles mor than the cowboys.
i root against the cowboys 14 times a year.
but those 2 games against the eagles.
i cheer. until half time when the anouncers want to proclaim you sb champs for being up by 14 at the half against the eagles 5 games into the season. that part of the game really “Grinds my gears”

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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 4, 2011 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth, I hate the eagles more than the giants.

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by fs65 on Aug 4, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree. i also hate the eagles much more than the giants.

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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 5, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

A harsh dose of reality

If you want to compare drafting you should put all the picks in there.We do a good job of drafting usually in the first 2 rds but don’t do well in rds 3-5.Those are the rds you pick up depth and at some point maybe they supplant a player that wants big money so you can let him walk and not be handcuffed into paying them too much money.I’m not an Eagles lover but their front office just like the Giants is miles ahead of us.The Eagles never have cap problems.They have signed 13 players so far in FA and the Kolb trade.They didn’t even miss a beat when they replaced McNabb and Westbrook.It was easy for them.When they drafted 13 players last year 12 of them made the team and 9 made significant contributions.They have 11 more this year.I think they will end up choking as usual but it will be because of Vick or Reid’s pass happy offense not their front office.JJ can’t get out of his own way he’s so bad of a GM.I think our drafts have got better but we aren’t better than the Eagles or Giants because our front office sucks.We’ve needed a real GM since 2000.Since that time the Giants and Eagles have done better record wise or went further in the playoffs 8 out of the 11 years.That trend will continue for awhile until we can get out of our own way.

by Quest For Six on Aug 3, 2011 11:24 PM CDT reply actions  

well thats the thing with the eagles.

they tend to get outspoken players. like the jets, and you guys. that make other players want to come to that team (see vick). the players sign for less. and pull lebrons by calling themselve the dream team.
i can say the eagles office has done a great job in the offseason, and salary cap wise. but i cant praise a front office that has Never won a super bowl. and i mean not once. and yes that does have something to do with how good your front office is. im tired of eagles fans saying, well we will have it this year so that doesnt matter. it does matter until they have it. they cant keep saying the same thing each year. not to mention the eagles suck at drafting, especially compaired to the giants. they are basically reaching on every pick, while the giants get SOTD (steals of the draft).
and if you cant draft well. then your not gonna win a superbowl.
look at the packers. their entire team was basically homegrown. so again, the eagles front office is good at the offseason (except the draft) but should not be praised until they have a ring.

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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

and as for the cowboys draft.

you basically get names. players that the casual fan have heard a lot about.
this year was the first year you adressed a serious need. and you picked a player about 5 places to high.
i dont really have too much faith in dallas’ first round of the draft.
you get good players. but usually by sacrificing a position of need.
the draft is not your strng suite.
few teams have mastered it.
the pats have the stockpile technique
the giants have the BPA Technique
bot have turned out pretty well. they both apparentley have the greatest scouting agencies on earth.
giants have starters that were 7th round picks (see AB)
the key is picking well with your 4, 5, 6, 7 picks. because your first 3, well atleast first round pick will usually turn out well enough. because the player you picked was talented enough to deserve that selection. teams arent make or break on first rounders. but late rounders.

Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJ3K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tony romo is a little bitch "oww my finger"
Dear Nnamdi Asomough, you shoulda just stayed in oakland. now you sir shall be embaresed. see you week 3, sincerely Eli Manning('s alter ego).

by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm... Wrong. Sorry. Just plain wrong.
We’ve needed a real GM since 2000.

Since March 29, 1994.
RIP JJ².

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 4, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

God I’m ready for some cowboy football!

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by rodeocowboy on Aug 4, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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