Phillip Tanner: Do The Right Thing

The hype of the preseason in the running back department was second year UDFA Lonyae Miller. Well I don't know what the Cowboys were selling us because Miller isn't Miller Time, like we were led on to believe. The real running back of the group besides Felix Jones, who has been amazing by the way, is UDFA Phillip Tanner.
Tanner is a player that caught my interest back in April when the Cowboys held their pre-draft invites. Let us take a look and see what I said about Phillip Tanner way back then.
Now this is one guy I really didn't know much about. I saw his name on the list and decided what the heck, let me look this kid up. I am sure glad I did. Phillip Tanner is a small school prospect from Middle Tennessee State. He weighs in at 5-11 208. I think he is one of the best running backs in the draft that is under the radar. This is the perfect sleeper candidate in my opinion. Teams are starting to get onto him and attended his pro day, but he is still a late round pick. I want Dallas to draft this kid, if there is one player I actually want to come away with late in the draft its this guy. Marion Barber should be released. Felix Jones and Tashard Choice should become our bread and butter. What we need is a third running back to have on the roster just in case, basically why we drafted Choice and that turned out to be a gem. Tanner has this physical run style and I love it. I saw a Legarrette Blount comparison and you could say they are similar. Tanner is obviously a lot faster than Blount, but the physicality is there. I will put his you tube video below check it out. I think Tanner is a perfect fit for Dallas this late. We might have found the next Marion Barber or Tashard Choice right here folks.
That was from a mock draft I did back on April 5th 2010, drafting only players who were invited to Valley Ranch. Then I looked Tanner back up in May for a UDFA RB Special. Here is what I said then.
Phillip Tanner
RB Middle Tennessee State
5'11 208
40 yard dash: 4.57 vertical jump: 36I wrote a fan post about Phillip Tanner when I read that the Cowboys had brought him in for a Valley Ranch visit. Tanner was one of the few running backs brought to Valley Ranch for the pre draft process. So I think out of all the running backs I have discussed, Tanner has the best shot of being signed by the Cowboys.
Phillip Tanner is a small school prospect that may have been drafted if he was at a larger school. Now I have only seen you tube highlights on Tanner but I came away impressed with what I saw. He is a physical runner that hit's the hole hard. He definitely has the speed to be a NFL running back. At his pro day he didn't time that well in the 40 yard dash with a 4.57 time. LeGarrette Blount ran a 4.59 at his pro day last year and was signed as a UDFA with Buccaneers. Blount had a tremendous rookie season for a UDFA. When I watch Tanner he reminds me a lot of Blount. They are both physical running backs with size that have good athleticism.
I honestly believe this will be the UDFA running back the Cowboys will sign for training camp. In my personal opinion I think Tanner would be a better option than Lonyae Miller. I just think Tanner is the more complete player at this stage. I also believe Tanner has the higher upside. I think Phillip Tanner could definitely become a rotational running back for the Cowboys, possibly more. So remember that name, Phillip Tanner. He may be the running back the Cowboys target on the UDFA market.
Tanner has been pretty much what I expected then, a solid downhill runner that is a one cut guy. He runs with authority, but has speed as well.
The question for Phillip Tanner is this, what happens when Tashard Choice comes back? Because in my eyes, Tanner has done more than enough to make this football team. 44 yards on 9 carries against the Broncos. 31 yards on 4 carries tonight against the Chargers. Those are productive numbers for any running back. What is more impressive is how easily he picks up those yards. He is picking up big chunks of yards basically every time he touches the football.
DeMarco Murray is supposed to return this week, but regardless his job is safe. He is the pass receiving running back Jason Garrett covets, and is also a 3rd round pick. The running back that faces jeopardy of losing his job is Tashard Choice. Lonyae Miller is a goner folks, you can't repeat bad performances back to back weeks and fumble the football. It's a show me now league, so Miller is toast.
Now I love what Tashard Choice can offer us on the football field. He is a nice runner who is always there when a guy goes down. The problem is, he really isn't good in pass coverage and special teams, an area Tanner looks pretty comfortable in. So there is a problem brewing in Dallas and I think it's time we answered it.
That problem is Tashard Choice. Like I said, I love Choice, but clearly the Cowboys and Jason Garrett don't have the same love. I wouldn't be shocked to see them entertain trade offers for Choice, say a similar offer for what they got for Patrick Crayton last year, a low level draft choice. Arizona is in desperate need of a running back and I am sure they would be willing to part with a 6th round draft pick for a proven NFL caliber running back.
No matter how the Cowboys play their card, the NFL already knows what we know, GM's pay attention to league wide issues with teams and their players. Teams know the Cowboys show their hand every situation it arises in. So for the people who think Choice is worth a 3rd round pick, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. That just isn't going to happen, I'm sorry to burst your dream bubble but #3 running backs in the NFL don't go for high draft picks.
Regardless, at some point Choice is going to leave this team. It most likely will either be a trade or release, but even if he stayed another year, he would have left via free agency next year anyway. So the point I am trying to make is this, get something in return now. They did this with Crayton and at least used one of their extra 7th round picks on Josh Brent in the Supplemental Draft.
The Cowboys have a real running back brewing with Phillip Tanner here. I think it would me moronic to try to get greedy and stash him on the practice squad. Remember Danny Amendola? That's my point, don't get greedy here Jerry. It's obvious you don't want Choice here, or you don't want to give him much playing time. Instead send him to a team that could use him, and that way we can keep Tanner without the risk of losing him. Because I guarantee if the Cowboys get cute here with Tanner, a team will snatch him up in a heartbeat of the practice squad.
I really like Tashard Choice and all that he has done here, but I would rather be a year EARLY than a year LATE. This Phillip Tanner kid is the real deal, just watch how he runs. He has nice fresh legs and you can see the burst the kid has (remember the old Marion Barber burst? yeah very similar). I know it's been only two preseason games, but this kid can play, that was evident tonight in my opinion. Please don't get greedy and try to sneak this kid on the practice squad.
Tanner is the ultimate RKG as well. He works hard and just seems like a very coach friendly player. He used to work the concession stand at the old Cowboys stadium. You know how awesome that must feel? Serving hot dogs to drunk dudes as kid for your favorite team, then actually PLAYING for that team? Man, that's a Blind Side type story if I have ever seen one. I just liked this kid even more when I read that. Tanner, welcome home son, because this is where you belong.
Do the right thing Jerry, Mars Blackmon did and it worked out well for him.
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I dont agree with the Blount comparison
Just by watching him
he reminds me of Pierre Thomas running. Looks small on the field but runs hard!
Im starting to like him in the back field. Lonyae has definately taken a step back. But i expect it to be a good competition for the 3rd RB spot the rest of preseason.
Still dont expect Choice to be playing with the team this year
by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 22, 2011 1:25 AM CDT reply actions
good comparison with Pierre Thomas
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
My prediction is that Choice only makes the 53 if Murray is PUP
And then he is traded or cut when Murray gets healthy. Tanner has looked like the best option for the 3rd RB for two preseason games now. Miller just looks to be gone or maybe PS as an emergency backup should the injury bug bite.
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I really like Tanner
Before I get into my opinion here just wanted to shout out and say hey. I am a diehard Boys fan and a long time reader of BTB but never have commented on here before. But I am looking fwd to this season and being more active on here. With that said here is my opinion on the situation. I love how Tanner runs. It seems like every time he touches the ball he runs like it is the last carry of his career. The only thing that I am worried about with this situation is like what Chia mentioned above about the Boys always showing their hand. The whole league knows that Choice can play and he can play at a very high level. But they know that he has fallen out of the good graces of the decision makers in Dallas. So even if there was a chance at getting even a middle rounder for him it is out the window. Even if he has a huge couple of games if/when Murray is on the PUP, no one will be willing to give up much if anything because they know that he will be expendable to us and they will just wait for him to hit waivers. I honestly think the best thing to do is give him huge carries in the next game that he plays, hopefully in one of the next 2 preseason games, and try to get what you can now for him. Start the season with Murray on the PUP list and go into the season with Felix as the workhorse, Tanner being the change of pace/short yardage back and hold on to Miller for insurance and mop up time until Murray is ready and try to slide Miller back to the PS. I just don’t see any other option that gives us any sort of return on investment for Choice like that could. I am curious as to what you guys think/feel about that option?
by Crosby4Prez on Aug 22, 2011 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Welcome!
Is that Erie PA or CO?
I definitely agree with you and Chiaman. We need to get Choice some playing time and see if we can’t create a bubble. I don’t think it is the ‘Boys fault so much…it is ours. Sites like this remove mystery from the game because we are the collective conciousness.
Did not think I’d say it two weeks ago, but Miller should make the practice squad :(
Another nice piece of writing, Chia. I saw you suggested this idea on your blog and I gotta say I agree. In fact, I would almost not be sad if Murray went PUP, just so we could get something for Choice.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 22, 2011 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions
On a diff note,
Chia, you are racking up a deep resume of premanitory calls. There are a lot of guys on this site that could get paid to do what they do, and I think you are one of them.
I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.
by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 22, 2011 5:23 AM CDT up reply actions
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 22, 2011 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
the big reason Tanner makes this team is he plays special teams very well. Felix, Murray & Tanner is a very young group to take in the season but they look the best so far.
they spent a 4th rd on Choice & i cant see them letting him go for anything higher then a 5th. Choice has a lot more value then Crayton & especially to a team that needs an experienced RB thats not old or busted up.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I also saw phillip tanner celebrate after a first down
I personally don’t have a problem with it. And I like tanner.
I just thought it was interesting that no one had a problem with it. What’s the difference between him n MBIII doing it?
by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 22, 2011 2:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Barber celebrated after 4 yard gains
and they weren’t for first downs, that’s what pissed me off. Plus Tanner is an undrafted rookie, for some of these undrafted players these preseason first downs and touchdowns could be the highlight of their whole careers.
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by CaliCowboysFan92 on Aug 22, 2011 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions
After his headless gallop,
my wife, a fan but not an afficianado, was “Holy Crap” was that Witten again? I was just smiling for a UDFA who was going to get to live his dream in the NFL. Be it here ( I Wish) or elsewhere, you will be hearing about Tanner on Sundays.
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well, Barber sucked and celebrated 1 yard gains too
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right.
The front office can’t mess this one up. Chia, I’ve been on the Tanner bandwagon since you first brought him up. They need to keep him as the third back and put Miller back on the PS where he is in no danger of being picked up by anyone else.
by UnitedStateOfTX on Aug 22, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
JJ might, but I doubt JG will.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Tanner
Ok so I am having a hard time believing Tanner is only 214lbs (according to ESPN stats). The dude runs like he is AT LEAST 230-235lbs and he shows the toughness and grit that we all seemed to hope we had found in Lonyae Miller. Yeah he could and should be the change of pace pounder we used to have in a certain dreadlocked 1 yard celebrating current Chicago Bear.
Tanner is way better than Amendola
But that’s just me nitpicking. You deserve huge props for identifying this guy when you did.
I’ve always liked T. Choice a lot but it’s obvious what needs to be done here. Let the guy go somewhere he has a legit shot to get some carries and get what you can get. Tanner would never make it to the PS and is way too valuable to let go.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 22, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions
BTW
The 3 people who don’t think Tanner should make the team (as of when i voted) must either be Eagles fans or need to be banned!
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 22, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The eagles have Ronnie Brown
Why would they need Tanner :P
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by Nickthegrip on Aug 22, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ronnie Wildcat Brown
Uh-Oh…the Eagles have Wildcat Ronnie.
I’m petrified.
Smell my fear Eagles fans….
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
ah thank you, I was on Tanner pretty early
Rabble had him as his pet cat
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Get Choice
on the field to make him look good to slightly increase his marketability for a trade.
Then, try to get a decent late round pick for him (5th maybe).
I agree with what Collinsworth said about Tanner last night, that #34 has a type of patience to give the line time to get in position to block and then cut and dart through. You don’t see that much from UDFAs. I believe his showing last night wasn’t good news for Choice.
Like somebody said above, teams have already seen what Choice can do, but they also know that he’s injured, his current status with Dallas is tenuous, and the Cowboys don’t have leverage right now if they tried to trade him at this moment.
And this is coming from Choice backer too.
I really like Tashard, but if we can save money and keep a back like Tanner (who has so much upside)…I’m all for it.
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I believe his showing last night wasn’t good news for Choice
actually i think it was. i love choice and wish we could find a way to keep him, but its in his best interest to go somewhere else.
I agree
I’ve always liked him but the reality is he could get a better chance to play somewhere else. He deserves that at this point in his career
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 22, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah he does
as much as anyone anywhere imo
I really like Tanner and the lost helmet play shows he cares.
As for Choice lets get a 4th,5th, or maybe even 6th rounded for him.
Jones, Murray, and Tanner is enough.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I love his running, but I would like to see him block more.
He has to be able to pick up the blitz to make this team. I haven’t seen enough to make a decision on whether I think he makes the team or not.
The fact he plays Special Teams is def in his favor. The fact Choice won’t seems to be one of the biggest strikes against him.
yeah, tape reviewing now
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
3 things a backup RB needs to do well
Run, block, and ST’s. Chice can do one of the threee.. Tanner so far has proven he can do 2 of three. Show the team you can block and there is ZERO reasons to keep Choice over Tanner.. Zero
by Dezstroyer88 on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I gotta tell you - this simplifies the whole debate.
I like Choice, but you’re absolutely correct.
Don’t forget that this guy does it for a lower price point too.
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not much of a money issue because I think Choice doesnt make much
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
when you have as much dead money against the cap as we do/are going to have
every little bit helps. If you can get better and also pay less than where’s the dilemma?
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by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 22, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If Tanner gets booted in favor of Miller I'll be pretty pissed
When you’re given the rock in two games to prove yourself and you do next to nothing with the opportunity, it’s time to go.
Tanner is the man.. Check this quote
My wife and I have talked about the draft process since it started," Tanner said. "Of course, everybody wants to hear their name called on draft day, but that’s not always the case. All I need is one shot, drafted or not. I just need one team to say here’s an opportunity to make our team. What I want is an opportunity not a handout. Once I’m there, I’ll prove myself. My mindset is to score or move the chains whenever I touch the ball.
Try and practice squad this guy and it’s farewell for good I’m afraid.
Even if he’s not 100% ready I think he’ll still make the team just so we can keep him away from everyone else. No one is going to be jumping hurdles to get Miller.
by UnitedStateOfTX on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
I watched that the second I heard we signed him. Good stuff
by Dezstroyer88 on Aug 22, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree completely Chia
Tanner has been outstanding and perhaps can be a third down back a la Barber. I like Choice a lot too, but w/the Cowboys making it clear they will keep 3 backs, he might be toast; perhaps we can get a low draft pick for him. Just worried that we could trade a decent Choice for an unproven Murray.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Tanner has been my pet cat. I totally agree with you Chia, keep Tanner trade Choice.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
How to trade Choice
I think we should use some leverage to gain a pick for Choice. By having the option to put Murray on the PUP, we can force a team to pay up if they want Choice before the season starts. With Murray so far behind and Tanner a rook, its probably smart to keep Choice around as insurance for a while. If some team wants to pay up, they can get him now. If not, they can wait until Murray is healthy and maybe, just maybe, we release him at week 6.
Jerry needs to use those negotiating skills of his. Maybe we can get a 4 or 5 from a team trying to settle their RB situation before the season starts.
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by cowboysuberfan on Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
I was thinking along similar lines, find a different approach to maximize the value of the talent now on the roster
We all seem to be boxing our thinking in. Most of us keep trying to figure out how to fit Tanner into being 1 of 3 backs on the roster. How about this. Cut Jon Kitna (McGee is close to have shown me enough to believe he’s a credible #2) to free up a roster spot. Rather than Tanner having to be 1 of 3, make it 4 to start the season. Then sit back and wait for the inevitable injury that will hit some team and they’ll need a RB. At that point, the trade value of Choice has gone up. If it’s all about maxing out value, can you trade Kitna and Choice? Get value and keep Tanner for the longer term.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 22, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Colts could desperately use Jon Kitna right now.
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He's either on our 53 or he goes to another team
No chance in hell he makes our PS.. He’ll, he’s on the NFL.com front page..
he kinda looks like Pacman, get a haircut Tinker Tanner
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
well the cats out of the bag....
if nobody was looking at him before, they all are now
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by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 22, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
why do you guys want to PUP Murray?
he’s coming back tomorrow
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
I look at it like this Chia
I think (and you know I like Murray) that Dallas could be fine with Choice and Tanner backing up Felix…By putting Murray on the PUP we free up a roster spot to allow Choice to “gain market value”
we could then trade him off for more than a 7th rounder OR another player that could fill an actual hole,say maybe a extra CB?
it also allows Murray to “fully heal” because as we all know Hamstrings are a tricky injury.
Bear in mind I wouldn’t mind seeing Forbath and Carter on the PUP for the same reason.
And by putting them on the PUP we would still be able to use them during the “stretch run”…. Imagine IF you would all those Defenses having to chase a “fresh Felix Jones” late in the year, or a Fresh Sean Lee coming in against an Offense…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 22, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
PUP makes no sense for him, not now because he is healthy
then he misses 6 weeks while he can play and learn
I get the “stretch” run thing, but we need as much help as we can get now, plus he has missed too much time already with the install of the offense, he needs these last 2 weeks of camp to pickup the offense
he passed his physical today, so it won’t happen
say he just injured the hamstring last week, I would partially agree with your view though
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
the thing is Ironman
Choice could run for 200 yards next week and he wouldn’t really push the trade value up, teams can low ball us because they know the situation
if we could ever play the cards right here, we could receive higher compensation
another thing is this, he is a #3 RB, look at what guys like Brandon Marshall Santonio Holmes LT Antonio Cromartie Braylon Edwards etc, look at what they were traded for, peanuts, and they are established players
I wish I could sit here and say we would get a 3rd rd pick for Choice, but it’s just not realistic you know
right now I would say we get a 6th or 7th for Choice and well, I think I would have to take that trade because I would rather get something for Choice and send him to a team that needs him
he looks and acts pretty bitter lately too, I don’t need this brewing in my locker room either
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
and I see what you are saying Chia
and will simply agree to disagree with you…Okay? Friends?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 22, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If you watch this short interview
http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=F0224D17-D2C1-B187-B43592380CCFA4CB
you’ll really start pulling for Tanner. He seems like an RKG all the way.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Aug 22, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
Seems humble, not cocky at all.
I like him – he seems like he’s wanted it more than Miller.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
i saw this kid play against UCF (i think) & he was awesome.
Tanner was the best player on offense & middle tenn had a lot of success bc of him.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
he played against some big schools actually
I think his school was the school big teams put on their schedule to smack the snot out of them but he looked good against some decent teams
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Tanner should always wear a helmet with his name on the front.
When someone rips it off, they’ll know who to give it back to.
yup
Totally agree with ya crack. During the broncos game I saw Tanner take a run up the middle and had contact in the hole and he kept churning his legs and gained another 3-4 yards. I thought it was this Miller guy that everyone has been talking about at first. But was surprised to see it wasn’t. Tanner has been doing work. The dude has earned a roster spot, its a done deal. This time last year we could have gotten maybe a 4th for choice. We’d be lucky to get a 6th now.
BOOM!
yeah wtf were the Cowboys selling us about Miller
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Can someone please tell me what they've seen in Miller that warrants him even being on the PS anymore?
by UnitedStateOfTX on Aug 22, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
The kid works his butt off
I thought he was tackled on that run then he’s up and runs outta a group of defenders. That shows effort, something you can’t coach. He hits the hole fast and hard too, which is important for a RB. Trade Choice for whatever draft pick you can get for him and move on.
Watch his college highlights
He does that with some regularity.
by Dezstroyer88 on Aug 22, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
he uses that spin move a lot too, I like it
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Back-2-Back Games: Tanner has outplayed Miller
Choice or Miller will have to go… maybe both
The problem is not Choice and what to do with him. The emergence of Tanner simply proves my point
that wasting a 3rd rounder on Murray was stoooopid!!
That’s the mistake. If we’d used that pick on, oh, gee, maybe a secondary guy or DL guy then we’d be set with Felix, Choice and Tanner. Get one more productive year out of Choice for free, then let him move on. Now they’re in a position where they may have to cut him or trade for nothing. So that 3rd round pick just ends up being a swap of Murray for Choice, and there is no gaurentee Murray will even be that good, and a missed opportunity to fill another position with potential skill.
This is why I keep telling you Murray fans you’ll hate that pick eventually-RB’s are a dime a dozen. Use a 5th or 6th, or just get a UFA. Easiest position to fill in the NFL.
Also cracks me up how many people were celebrating Miller’s awesomeness 3 weeks ago, lol !!
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its not stupid, debatable? sure, but stupid? no
because its a weapon we can use, Garrett wants pass catching backs and Murray was the best one in the draft
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
wanna make a bet?
I bet I will still love Murray, especially when he catches 20-30 balls, has 500-600 rushing yards and a nice amount of catching yards, and 6-8 total TD’s
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Follow my reasoning here
If they are lucky and get a 6th for Choice, what made Choice expendable? Spending a 3rd on Murray, right?
So, they basically exchanged a 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick, and all they still have is a running back.
And in the process would give away a proven RB for an unproven one!
How in the wide wide world of sports is that a good deal?
Only one way-Murray will have to be a world-beater. And despite all your hype, that’s not happening. He’ll probably not even get on the field much this year, period.
In the meantime, that 3rd could have been spent on another position.
I will be proven right in this.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 22, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
How is this true Larry?
And despite all your hype, that’s not happening.
Because he is injured? Really?
And the fact that we get Anything for Choice is simply bonus considering that we wouldn’t be retaining him after this year anyway…..
I would look at it as we traded Choice for Murray…..the place that he was picked at doesn’t matter…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 23, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
"After this year!"
what is it with you guys and a contract that’s up after the season? Do we now trade every player before the final season of their contract?
That is so irrelevant. It doesn’t matter. This is this year, he’s under contract at a good price (it’s not like they Barbered him to an expensive contract), keep him like that car that’s running fine, why dump it?
When Felix gets hurt a proven starter is a nice luxury.
And you have no point at all on Murray-yes, he’s injured, he was a rookie already, meaning very little in the way of yards, then the lockout, now an injury. Exactly.
So I can repeat the same question to you “How is this true Ironman?” That Murray will be any good. Where’s your proof?
There isn’t any. So why throw away a perfectly fine player for an unproven one?
If you have an argument about Murray, express it, but to just say I don’t know isn’t an argument.
Did you watch him the last 4 years, see anything exciting?
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by Realist Larry on Aug 23, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
what do not understand LArry?
what is it with you guys and a contract that’s up after the season?
I don’t know other than the fact that there is a 99.9999% chance that Choice leaves as a UFA?….And We as fans would like to get something in return for him leaving?
is that really that hard to understand?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 24, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
how about you worry about this year?
shall we trade (at a bad value) every player in their final year? Where’s your logic there?
When ware is in the last year of his contract, you’ll trade him for a 4th? Because we’ll lose him anyways?
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by Realist Larry on Aug 24, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
and the success of Tanner, if he keeps it up, only proves my point.
Unles you’re looking at Adrian Peterson, never spend anything higher than a 4th at RB.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 22, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Larry, I would strongly disagree, and here's why:)
Murray is a totally different type of back than our other backs. The closest if Felix, but Murray is prob going to be a great pass catcher, plus Felix is going to need to be spelled. Having both of them in the backfield at once with our other recieving threats makes us uncoverable. With the way our O-line is playing, I would not be afraid to line up with only one TE and send him out on a route, giving us five legitimate receiving threats. Noone can cover it.
It is funny you mention AP, ’cause Murray broke all of his school records. He may be the steal of the draft. Which is saying a lot considering the position we picked up some of these guys in, not to mention other teams…
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 23, 2011 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions
and who would you have drafted there Larry?
Here is a list of the players taken in the third round…..
Name ONE that could have been an “impact player” for the cowboys this year….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 23, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously? Dude, there's 5 or 6 or 7 DB's, OL, DL I would have taken in that list.
Thanks for proving my point!
Will Rackley
Johnny Patrick, Kendrick Ellis.
Oh, and a QB named Mallet, who is not my favorite, but how much you wana bet NE flips him for a 1st in a couple of years? Or finds out he’ can actually play in the NFL. There’s a player you take a flyer on in the 3rd.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 23, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
yet
Dallas didn’t take them..
but lets look at the three you named shall we?
Will Rackley- Not as strong, fast or agile as David Arkin…hmmm
Johnny Patrick- a smaller,slower, slightly more agile AOA…hmmmm
Kendrick Ellis- facing an assault charge I do believe and might be deported…yeah
great pick there
who else Larry? Name ONE player that could have the impact that Murray could this year…not next year, not might be flipped for a pick in a couple of years…..THIS YEAR.
Come on..you are the “expert” … find One player there among that list, and I will agree that Murray was a wasted pick….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 24, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, I get it. You are an expert at predicting the future of all draft picks.
Despite the fact that the “experts” who spend millions of $$, do it for a living, and months poring over film, are wrong half the time.
Despite the fact that staring you in the face is your own team, full of missed draft picks, and then starters who were passed on by every team and were UFA’s!
You are always right, and so cannot be wrong about Murray. it’s not your opinion, it’s a fact that he will be very good.
And none of the guys I mentioned will be better than him. You have a crystal ball (I assume you must be rich with this predictive power) and so can see he will surpass all those I mentioned, no doubt.
I bow before your power.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 24, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't disagree more
Complete backs are hard to come by. We are very fortunate to have the guys we have. The running game is very important, and to have little or no drop off with backups can be very, very beneficial. Murray hasn’t proven anything yet, but let’s give him some time before we start bad mouthing the pick.
Here’s hoping it’s Felix, Murray, and Tanner for 2011!
by Dezstroyer88 on Aug 22, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Murray may wind up being number 1
Let’s give the kid a fair chance to show his wares.
Felix Jones looks outstanding…and this is his third season.
Murray doesn’t even have one carry yet. Who knows…but on you tube, his highlights are as impressive as Jones’ were coming out of college.
Especially the punt returns…whoooooosh!
thanks
i am not even going to bother listing all the starting RB’s in the NFL chosen later than the 3rd or who were even FA’s.
It’s right here in Dallas-Barber, Choice, Tanner looks good.
Ryan Grant. Etc. etc.
I’ve gone down this road before. People are so hyped to think Murray’s going to be some Reggie Bush stud they won’t listen.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 23, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
but what about all those that
were selected before then…..
was Mark Ingram a wasted pick?
What about Emmitt Smith? or Barry Sanders? Obviously they were wasted picks….
It is only wasted in your mind because he is bumping Choice (a player that didn’t start over an injured Marion Barber) off the roster. even though it is actually Tanner that is bumping Choice off, not Murray.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 24, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
So Murray is Emmit or Barry?
This is getting a bit silly.
You argue good halfbacks are found earlier in the draft therefore we need to draft them earlier? The same could be said for any position. Next you are going to say we need a 1st round kicker because Janikowski was drafted in the 1st.
The point is good running backs are pretty easy to find. It is a fungible position. We had decent options on the roster and didn’t need to spend a relatively premium pick on a halfback while the defense was easily the worst in franchise history.
MacGruber!
well said. you've got your mojo working!
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by Realist Larry on Aug 24, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a a Bama fan, and yes, Ingram will be a miss for that high of a pick.
Emmitt, yes you are right. Oh man, you got me with that one! yes, the best running back ever was a good pick in the first round, I have to admit! darn.
Oh, don’t forget, though, that he wasn’t picked almost and that was pure luck for JJ.
And that this is not the NFL of 1990.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 24, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The only possible conern over Tanner is whether he is a flash in the pan.
I don’t think this is a real issue, because the reports coming out of camp have been good. I think his on field performance has backed that up. I would like to see him more against 1s and 2s, but he certainly has performed on the field and Miller has not.
I also fully agree with the idea of taking whatever we can get for Choice. If he is going to go, and I think he should, get anything, a 6, a 7, and be happy with it. Beats just cutting him
Just don’t trade for Alex Barron.
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By the way
That may be the most lopsided poll I’ve ever seen here.
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Tanner looks like the real deal
Two weeks in a row. You were on to something early Chia.
Miller sounded good from camp reports, and even looked good in a controlled scrimmage, but all I’ve seen in the two games is one good blitz pickup.
I’m on the Tanner wagon.
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thank you
I was onto Harris kinda early too, but thats another topic for another time
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Collinsworthless
Chris Collingsworthless actually made a very worthwhile point last night about Tanner.
He talked about how he shows the patience to let the line develop the hole then puts his burst on to race through it.
He talked about how that trait is usually only seen in backs with experience, and for someone as raw as Tanner, it was a very good sign of big things to come.
Great point you washed up Bengal!
he made good points last night
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 22, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Collinsworth usually makes good, useful points.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 23, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
When watching Tanner the other night its funny how I see a little E. Smith in him.
He has that smooth patient running style that Smith possessed. Now don’t think I am saying this guy is going on to a hall of fame career or anything like that, but he definately has some good running instincts and a chance to blossom here.
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Make Tanner a FB
I think he ought to be tried at FB

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