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Bitterness, Divorcees and Pro-Bowls - The Disrespect of Andre Gurode

I find myself boggled by posts looking to complete the offensive line make over by replacing Gurode and the general disrespect for his game by some posters.  He has been the Cowboys best lineman and has been to five straight Pro Bowls and is without doubt one of the top 5 centers in the NFL.  In year 9 & 10 of his career, he finally has learned to minimize his mental mistakes, he dominates his man on most plays and he seldom needs help to handle powerful NT that force double teams as most centers are physically over matched.  Why isn't he loved?

And then it came to me, I think I figured out why we have a hard time loving our best offensive lineman over the last half-decade.

Star-divide

Have you ever talked to an old divorcee that was bitter and could not accept the fact that their ex-spouse had learned from past mistakes and become a better person?  They will not hear that they have become a good parent, or worse yet, a loving mate.  They will tell you any sign of change, no matter how long lived, is all a facade covering up that evil and selfish @!#&!!. As sports fans, we can be like the bitter divorcee.  When our team drafts a young player and they disappoint us multiple times they fall out of favor.  There is a point of no return.  When those same players progress along later in career we as fans have a hard time understanding why coaches and NFL peers value them as much as they do.  

Andre Bernard Gurode is the classic example.  The Cowboys needed help on the interior line and he was drafted in the second round.  He was the pick of the litter, the first interior lineman taken in the draft; taken seven picks before LeCharles Bentley.  He had power and athleticism.  First time I had ever heard the term bubble butt intended as a compliment.  

His rookie year he showed promise in camp and made the roster as the backup center.  In his second year (2003), trying to get the "best 5" lineman on the field, newly hired Bill Parcells moved him to OG.  He struggled at the position, getting beat physically and making mental mistakes.  By 2005, Gurode was on the roster bubble and Bill moved him back to center.  He performed well enough to hold a roster spot, but not well enough to beat out a very average Al Johnson at center.  His reputation is set as a disappointing player that is physically gifted player, but makes too many mental mistakes to be worth it.  In the meanwhile LeCharles Bentley had turned in a Sports Illustrated Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2002 award followed by three Pro Bowl seasons.  Color us disappointed and bitter.  

In 2006 Dallas looked hard at LeCharles Bentley in free agency, but lost out to Cleveland.  Gurode became the full time starter. He had a very good season, that was highlighted by Albert Haynesworth's head stomp and a few memorable bad snaps.  He went to the Pro Bowl as an alternate.  In the four seasons that followed, he made the Pro Bowl all four years and was selected to the All-Pro Team as the NFL's best center twice in 2007 and 2009.  By 2009 the mental mistakes had been greatly reduced.  Around the league he is considered a premier center that has good foot work and is the most powerful player in the league at his position.  To fans he is more known for the mental gaffes than his solid play.  To those divorcee eyes he will always be that disappointing player that is physically gifted, but makes too many mental mistakes to be worth it.   

The Cowboy line needed rebuilding and the team has taken measure to do that.  Better yet, it looks like they finally did a good job in drafting the right linemen.   Interesting enough, that old dumb offensive line coach is looking like a genius again.  After training camp and two preseason games the line is looking good with two quality tackles and five NFL worthy interior lineman.  With a broken down Colombo starting last year, it is not surprising that Dallas could not fill the starter role AND find two quality backup tackles.  

I love the fact that the team is reloading with less powerful more athletically gifted lineman; but I don't believe that Kosier, Costa or the two rookies can hold the point vs the most powerful NT.  At least one of the three interior lineman has to have the power to anchor vs power rushers without help or the unit will get over powered by the more physical defenses.  

If you have been a bitter divorcee, let it go.  Embrace what Gurode brings and has brought this team.  Thanks to getting him some help the interior line is looking good, now if we could just find a swing tackle.

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by thebigham on Aug 24, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome

Yes he has been great here but theres a time you have to move. Better a year too early than a year too late. If you can get value out of him in a trade then the smart move is to do it. Facts are hes on the wrong side of 30 hes not going to get any better.

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 24, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i hear gurode is on the decline...

Gurode was good but not great the past few years..he’s aging too.. but that doesn’t mean I want him replace because until now we had no one to replace him.

I want a draft pick for him..maybe a 2nd..

by lostar2009 on Aug 24, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Who going to

 Give a 2nd round pick for a 30+ Center with bad knee’s and can not bend that well?

by tattooed cowboy on Aug 24, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Happening

The upside with Gurode is two good years. The downside it the injury is worse then expected and he would not pass another teams physical. Players like that garner no more then a 5th or 6th. Maybe a 4th at the trade deadline to a playoff team that just lost a key starter.

Plus Gurode took a while to get down his role on this line. I am not sure he could step in someome elses system and perform without camp etc. I think he is more valuable to the Cowboys then anyone else.

by Trey, on Aug 24, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

naw trade him...

Remember he got a few “pro bowls”….a mid rounder..

Although we dump Davis , there are like 4 teams that want to sign him..Davis is licking his chops now

by lostar2009 on Aug 24, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

U might get a 4th or 5th. Ya gotta be realistic.

Would you take a 6th to get him off of your cap ? Things to be considered.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Aug 24, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think his replacement in not on the roster.

With your long term veterans the right year is better then a year too early. If he was a free agent or playing under a bad contract, or if we had a stud in the wings then maybe it would make sense to look for trade value.

You need one road grader in the interior. Mark Steposki being under sized worked so well because he had big bodies next to him. Gurode allows the Cowboys to have Guards that are better in space then in the phone booth.

by Trey, on Aug 24, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm fine with him this year

because if Costa went down, who becomes Center in his place, Nagy? Yikes.

Keep him this year, trade him for like, a 3 or 4 after the season is over, and then draft another C/G with the aforementioned pick to begin grooming.

My problem with Gurode is he just isn’t there mentally. Oh yeah and his weakness in the shotgun game (the hikes sometimes look like they are coming out awkward) which is compounded because Garrett goes into Shotgun when all else seems to be failing.

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by Rat-Pack on Aug 24, 2011 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

well

Gurode is a terrible snapper

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 24, 2011 5:45 PM CDT reply actions  

That's the bitterness speaking

In 2009 and 2010 Gurode bad snap rate was pretty decent. It’s just hard to forgive that it took nine years to learn what you want to see out of your center in his rookie training camp.

by Trey, on Aug 24, 2011 10:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I Am Not Bitter

. . . facts are facts. Gurode forces Romo to jump and take his eye off the ball. Gurode is akin to a auctioneer having a speech impediment or an airline pilot with macular degeneration. For crying out loud, the most important function in a center is to snap the ball and Gurode has struggled with this his entire career. One can think back to the Giant playoff loss – the year they won the Super Bowl; Gurode had an absolutely terrible game that fateful day. Dallas should have replaced him when they had multiple chances over the two drafts before the last one.

by Iowacowboy on Aug 26, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

"macular degeneration"

Only on BTB can someone slip that into a post….

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 27, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I can see your point On Gurode,Trey

In fact I made a similar post Here were detailed why Gurode while he may not “fit the New Dallas Mold” he still has a lot to Offer

LIke you said Gurode goes give you the ability to have "weaker " guards due to his ability to “man up” on virtually any NT in the League

And this is key because of the prevalence of the 3-4 Defense now-a-days

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 25, 2011 3:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice post

It was interesting the Costa had decent strength benchmarks as he does not play the part of the mauler well. Your point about shorter arms explains part of that.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

and BTW Trey

Dude, I love the Avatar…I used to have that same pic as my Wallpaper…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 26, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

my take on this topic

I am one of the guys wanting to trade him,

We have ran four plays that Gurode could not have executed this pre season so far, Two slide blocks and two traps, both require next to Impossible blocks for the center if the DT lines up on the wrong sholder,

Arkin and Costa both executed the blocks flawless. Gurode can not and will never make these blocks, All four runs were around 10 yard gains give or take a couple yards,

My fear is were going to put a square peg in a round hole because its a really nice square peg, It still does not work,

Gurodes mental mistakes were fixed because the team gave the line calls to the guards, The ONLY reason Proctor played was because he had to make the line calls, Gurode could not do it,,, Now that was a relitive simple O-line scheme, this scheme is going to be Mike Shannahan like, very complicated,,,,

So, Gurodes weakness is he’s not smart, and not mobile, playing on a line that now requires smart, mobile linemen,,,

\Square peg, round hole []————→0

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps, but....

…if you get rid of Gurode now the team has a serious depth issue on the O-line and Kosier has not made it through 16 games in the last few years. Plus next year Arkin and Nagy will be second year players with a full off-season in the strength and conditioning program.

I am a big advocate of the center making the line calls, but the team needs Gurode’s bulk and experience this year. Costa, Arkin Nagy and Kowalski (who I think is not ready for the NFL but will surprise a lot of people once he has added some bulk) can compete for LG and C next year.

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam

by LRogue on Aug 25, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

so what your saying is -

scrap the run scheme this year and wait until next year so Gurode can shore up the middle?

I would trade him now because this scheme is going to make him look like Leonard Davis, then his value drops and you get nothing for him, I love him, I was among the first on Rafeal Vela’s origianl blog to point him out as a potential pro bowl quality center. I love him and I think his days as a player are not over, but i love what we are doing with the line more right now,

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

Last year Garrett was only able to his pulling scheme to the left, while the right was seriously limited. Even with Gurode the blocking scheme will be expanded to both sides and create many more options than last year. However, when one side pulls the other side has to hold for the scheme to work. I don’t think Arkin or Nagy have the strength yet to hold consistently against NFL caliber DTs, yet. Gurode provides the necessary anchor. Thus, Gurode helps expand the scheme, even if he keeps it from being fully deployed with a pulling center. Gurode won’t look like Davis, because he is in the center of the line and can serve as the pivot.

Now, assume I’m wrong and Costa can allow this line to realize its full potential this year. In this case we are one injury away from starting three rookies on the offensive line. It looks like they have brought in three excelent rookies to fill the holes in the Oline, but they are still rookies. Remember how much trouble Smith was having at the beginning of camp before they move the veteran Kosier next to him. People learn best when they can start from a secure place.

I really think not having Gurode would hinder the implementation of JGs scheme, despite the fact that he limits the more advanced elements.

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam

by LRogue on Aug 25, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The scheme can work with four athletes and one bruiser

Thanks for the reply. I can’t debate Gurode’s lack of mobility and that there are plays that can’t be run without a mobile center. Five mobile lineman offer extraordinary interchangeability of parts and add a dimension to the run game.

There are also plays that can’t be run if none of your interior lineman can win the battle with the nose tackle. They are called names like power right, power left and lead draw. I like Costa; but he has not shown the ability to win the point of attack verse the power nose tackles. That means the guard is helping him and not seeking out the linebacker.

Four mobile offensive linemen give the team a good amount of flexibility for outside runs. It is worth giving up the extra flexibility that a quick pulling center provides helps win interior fights on bread and butter plays. Also a center that does not need help with his man allows for a better formed pocket and easier pick ups of stunts and blitzes.

Maybe in a year or two the rookies will have bulked up and reduce the need for a bruiser in the middle, but I still don’t think our next long term starting center in on the roster. In the meanwhile we need to hope Gurode’s knees hold up.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that Trey

IF (and that is a BIG IF) Gurode’s knees hold up, then that does give us some options as far as Depth goes…

The added ablilty of Gurode being able to “Man-up” opposing DT’s is also invaluable… while it may hinder some of our play calling this year, it won’t be nearly as much as last year…when we were the 7th ranked offense….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 25, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

" but he has not shown the ability to win the point of attack verse the power nose tackles. "
San Diegos is nothing but big bodies in the interior line and Costa was very good at handeling the big guys, myth

“but I still don’t think our next long term starting center in on the roster” according to Jerry “Costa is going to play now, NOW!” He’s going to play because the scheme is extremly complicated,,,, I have played in it as a guard and I’m here to tell you one of the first things I said was “you want me to block who? How?”

What you are getting confused about is this team is going to run a slide block that will require Gurode to crack down on a linebacker or tackle, if he’s not quick enough to get to that block the guy gets penetration and kills the cut back lanes, Backs are going to be asked to make one cut and GO! If there is no cut back lane then the play is dead,

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

while Costa was good vs San Deigo

He still required help against those “big Bodies” where as Gurode wouldn’t have need that help…

really it comes down to a basic fact….do Costa’s Strengths out weigh Gurode’s strengths enough to mitigate Costa’s weaknesses vs Gurode’s weaknesses…..

IMO the answer is no…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 25, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

then change the scheme

its not going to work like it should with some right guys and some wrong guys,

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are big guys and then there are BIG guys

Jamal Williams no longer plays in SD. They are playing more 4-3 then 3-4 and the Costa was playing vs men that did not out weigh him by more then 10 pounds and he still needed help. Verse true nose tackle or Albert Hanseworth types he is going to need every down help.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading Jones' Tea leaves

Jones statements do not translate to Costa being named by jason Garett as the starting center over a healthy Gurode. Costa is a solid backup player and will get to play this year as injuries happen and Dallas still has two 30+ guys in the interior of the line.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be flexable

Good football coaches can work with the talents that they have. The scheme is not so inflexible that if all parts do not fit the protype it’s not going to work.

There is more then one way to get a blocker on the linebacker. The guard away can pull and the less more powerful center can plug up the backside of the play.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I have seen Garrett do both

which is one of the things that separates Garrett from most NFL coaches…He is willing to put players in a position to do their best…IF he feels that Costa isn’t ready then he will alter the scheme slightly to accommodate Gurode.

If He feels Costa is ready then he will play him…..

the key thing is that Garrett will use a player with talent….as long as that player is willing to work

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 25, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do relize this team has gone nowhere because of this fact dont you?

The first thing Garrett did was cut bait with what you are saying he did.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 26, 2011 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good players are more important then the scheme

Lots of teams have had success replacing a lineman with a player cut from the opposite cloth. Donaldson could not do what Stepnoski did. He was not as fast, atheletic or as good a tactician. In fact I remeber similar arguements back then. Turns out he was a brute and Dallas changed a few things and continued to out play the competion because they had better players on the line.

What the line really needs is one interior guy that can both maul and move. Thats why Larry Allen and players Like Nick Mangold are so valuable. They can move fast enough for pulling and quick hitting traps and can out maul the mauler. You don’t find those guys in the 4th round or as street free agents.

Three Koiser type players (smart, decent atheletes, modest power) cannot make an excellent offensive line. The offensive line rebuilding is not done, they still need one more pro-bowl potential guy to give them the edge in the middle of the line.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

The Broncos led the league in rushing for years with

“Kosier types”

We will get to see the “dress rehersal this week” I expect Gurode to play as the starter, lets take a closer look then, I hope I’m wrong,

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We should get a better look at the recovery status of the knee.

Denver did lead the league without great interior lineman. Their solution to the powerful big man was to make him fear for his livelihood. One rule change and two point of emphasis later that is no longer acceptable and the scheme has had a harder time with good 3-4 defenses unless they had a stud or two to match up.

Atlanta is the one team doing very well with that blocking scheme and it largely due to two probowl lineman and a very good back.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the scheme. I just don’t think it eliminates the need for high quality players.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 3:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did a little research

to check if my perceptions on this matter match up with current reality.

In 2010 six teams were considered primary zone blocking teams. Atlanta has switched back to power blocking. The teams where Oakland, Houston, Indy, Green Bay, Carolina and of course Washington. Washington and Indy were just bad. They were 29th and 30th in terms of rushing yards. Green-bay and Carolina were fairly average and Oakland and Houston were really good running teams, both being top 5 in rushing average,TD, runs over 20 and over 40 yards.

What you find in common the top 2 teams is they have some pretty good lineman that are not just finesse guys and some of that talent was acquired with early draft picks. The scheme is good, can be great, but like everything in team sports, it can only be as good as the personnel will allow.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oaklands line is very athletic

1 They traded Centers with Miami, Oakland wanted smaller, Bill Prcells wanted bigger,

Satele, Bruce Cambell, Jared Valdheer, I cant remember that tackles name that left in free agency , but all athletic guys

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite true

Regarding the Miami trade, that was not a one for one swap. It was just a really bad free agency signing by Miami. Jake Grove is not bigger then Samson Satele. Miami traded Satele to Oakland after signing Jake. One year and 29 million dollars later Grove is out of the league. Oops, Bill Parcells’ days of being a football genius are way in the past.

Back to the topic, Oakland invest in their offensive line and seeks the huge powerful dancing bears. Cooper Carlisle is their only player that fits the “Koiser” mold. The starting five last year were drafted in rounds 1,2,2,3,4. Robert Gallery was a failure at OT, but he was the best lineman of a good group and a mammoth starting at LG.

Last year the Raiders tried to replace Samson Satele with 6’8" Jared Veldheer, and after one miserable start they stuck with Satele the rest of the season. At seasons end they spent their second round pick on his replacement Stefen Wisniewski. He is one of those very thick and strong guys that is also athletic. At 315 coming out of college he will play most of his career north of 320. An interior lineman with a combination of athleticism and strength that can’t get on the cheap.

This whole Raider / Zone blocking thing may be moot now as their new coach Hue Jackson has normally ran a power blocking scheme and it would be typical Raiders to change the only thing that worked really well for them last year. And just to be clear, I am in no way suggesting the Raider are a franchise that should be imitated. Last year they just happened to have best zone blocking running attack in the NFL last year that was lead by four starting lineman that were drafted in the first two rounds.

by Trey, on Aug 25, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe it wasnt a trade

but Parcells own words were they wanted to get bigger up the middle so they let Satele go

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 26, 2011 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

BP sells snake oil too

I dont remember how he explained it but he did not gain any size in the center swap.

by Trey, on Aug 26, 2011 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't done

ooops,

I’m not sure what Garrett has in mind, As of right now there are just glimpses of the blocking i expect, he may come out and just run right at people, I dont’ think so but well see,

enjoyed this,

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andre Gurode has been a good player for the Cowboys and he still is.

Would it be nice to see the Cowboys with a young guy with high potential that they could coach up to be the center of the future ? Sure but Andre Gurode isn’t a liability now and he problems won’t be next year or the year after that either.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 25, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

and that is why he has value in a trade now.

Just to be clear if he can handle the assignments he’s going to be asked to do then I’m all for keeping him.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 26, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

sure if you can get a good deal you make the trade.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 26, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

ZBS is overrated

if it was that great EVERYBODY would do it. It’s a copycat league.

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Aug 26, 2011 4:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it boils down to-

Which is the better of two evils-

Starting 3 players on an offensive line who have never played a professional game

or

2 new players and a good player who doesn’t fit the scheme

Since Kosier is staying and he makes the line calls I think you might be able to get away with 3 NFL virgins.

MacGruber!

by Mojoness on Aug 26, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

except that Costa is injured now

so it looks like Gurode is the starter….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 26, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

look in the Fanshot area

if you cant find it here is the link..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 26, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

In addition to being the starting LG. He may be the backup center this weekend.

by Trey, on Aug 26, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is not how I saw this debate ending?

Oh well, looks like your right Trey, at least I hope so,

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 26, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too

We will not know for sure until the games start for real. I hope Costa comes back strong as I believe they need the debth and Gurode benefits from the meaningful competition.

by Trey, on Aug 26, 2011 5:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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