But I just can't believe this, must be a Jerry Thing...

by CCBoy on Aug 28, 2011 6:12 AM CDT

Such is life in the big and real city. So is the NFL. The team has already displaced many of the old players dominating cap space...and it's now time to let Jason Garrett make his moves and forge a team. The old offensive line and money uses were not making it in today's NFL. Old principals have to be 'tweaked' to stay current and adaptable. The reason for youth getting the bucks is simple. They work harder for it, but have more athleticism to accomplish it when it's needed to be called upon.

It looks as though the money is being invested now, in the youth to middle veteran players...as a top notched franchise should have it.

I think that Gurode, short of begging to be retained at a much lowered salary...is gone. The rest of the salary drain should be with the exit of Igor Olshansky. With the $6 M already able to be moved to the Cap Hit for next season, this and Olshansky should clear a lot of that up to at least make it a matter of adjusting for who is needed at that point.

In stead of looking like a young kitten trying to guard a couple of piles of food with all four paws and claws spread out all over the place, we as fans should see more of a process going on here.

It would be nice to have a very 'cheap' Andre Gurode stick around, and help out. But the reality is that playing time and experience is valuable in projecting into the future as well. A youthful offensive line has to be forged, and this is a way to accomplish just that. There is some excellent coaching going on in that area right now.

But trying to holdon to the image of last year's offensive line is akin to that kitten will all four paws extended in different directions and sprawled on the floor.

Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis, and now, possibly Andre Gurode will be gone. So be it..and this fan isn't afraid to not assume a sprawled kitten's stance on subject.

And the total list of you being referred to are:

Kevin Kolwalski - free agent from Toledo 22
Bill Nagy - 7th round from Wisconsin 23
David Arkin - 4th round from Missouri State 23
Tyron Smith - 1st round from USC 20

Now add in two from last year's practice squad/call ups:

Jermey Parnell OT 25
Phil Costa C 24

...and the veterans would fall to:

Kyle Kosier 32
Doug Free 27
Sam Young 24

With Smith signing his rookie contract; Kosier on a short termed but economical contract; and Doug Free signing a long contract but at a hometown discount...and it's easy to see the mold in place, NOW.

Gurode just does not fit, unless he wishes to be a true team player and match payroll expectations as well. But he is a couple years past mold projection on age and future durability.

But with the team drawing a line in the sand even upon a more recent All Pro production, and basing that upon actual on the field productions. And as Parcells stated, EVERYONE has to show up in camp and prove their metal. Well, unless Gurode has crockadile tears in his eyes and his Agent adds to that picture...he won't be part of the instruction going onto the young players who are already on this mold being formed.

But the Cowboys, being responsible and respectful, didn't make a deal and just say goodbye in passing.

Moving forward, the team now needs a defensive lineman, a corner, and possibly one more offensive lineman in next year's draft. And Free Agency might boil down to a single or two targets of opportunity.

If he is shown his walking papers/trade...then the starting lineup well could look similar to:

Free Nagy Costa Kosier Smith

But instead of dispair, they showed that in a strongly based running attack, under the directions of Jason Garrett, that both Felix Jones and Dez Bryant can be very productive.

'This team's playoff failures can be traced back directly to the offensive line. Does anyone remember losing a bye against the Chargers, in 2009, because of goal-line blocking?

Jason Garrett wants to and is going to run the football. The running game and screen game will be Dallas' life this year. Establishing Felix Jones is critical, and you need the "right kind of guys" to help you do that in the NFL.

The run blocking last season was bloody terrible.

Jason Garrett has emphatically made his statement on this subject.'

*(taken from a post by 41gy# on CowboyZone

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216660&page=15

One either believes that Jason Garrett is now a 'big city' boy and you actually hand the keys over to him, or you merely send him to the Monestary to become a Monk. I believe he's every inch...BIG TIME!

And that when all is said and done, so will be the Cowboys.

There's no right way to do the wrong thing.

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Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 28, 2011 6:33 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Bravissimo!

For leading the ovation.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 28, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions

That guy is creepy as hell

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Aug 29, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions

haha its suppose to be brando

i didnt realize someone cropped nolte? face on it

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 29, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions

That's not nolte

That’s Busey.

How Bout Them Cowboys!

by sprprsnmn on Aug 29, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions

i always get them confused

cmon they look similar

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 29, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions

not brando

orson welles, but geez, that is just creepy as heck!

that which doesn't kill you, probably hurts like hell.

by JasonAHeath on Aug 29, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Thank you, awesome right up

I would say more but you hit every nail on the head.

by 2tightendpkg on Aug 28, 2011 7:34 AM CDT reply actions

Mothership put up an article about this last night

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=0EB6199A-D12A-A5A2-606843D48459257A

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:44 AM CDT reply actions

and rec'd

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:45 AM CDT reply actions

Key:

But the reality is that playing time and experience is valuable in projecting into the future as well. A youthful offensive line has to be forged, and this is a way to accomplish just that. There is some excellent coaching going on in that area right now.

by Iowacowboy on Aug 28, 2011 8:26 AM CDT reply actions

Nice job

This is just what this team needs. The young boys are doing a good job.

by tattooed cowboy on Aug 28, 2011 8:35 AM CDT reply actions

Watkins versus Arkin / Nagy

Please tell me Arkin AND Nagy are ahead of Danny Watkins as linemen…

Oh, I would just fall over laughing.

Another example of the smarter than the room crowd up in Eagles management.

by Rome One on Aug 28, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions

I wanted Watkins in the draft

I think the difference is we have Hudson Houck

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions

i have to admit i thought watkins would be a good pickup....

glad we have who we have….only spot left to turn in a couple of years will be Arkin taking over for Kosier…..great time to be a cowboy fan…

"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett

by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 28, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions

And Watkins came into camp late.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Aug 28, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions

They have Howard Mudd

One of the best oline coaches in the league. He spent years in Indy helping to keep Payton’s jersey clean. Just sayin

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Aug 29, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Rec'd...Its all coming together

Just because of the poster, I think Nagy and Arkin are steals who will be keys to our O-line for years, and Smith and Free, good as gold. Offense is not our concern, we need some serious D-line and Secondary help. A hard hitting FS…I think we will re-sign Elam to a multi-year deal. He is not flashy but a good worker and solid. Its awesome to see a plan coming together. Does anyone else think our O-line looks like the Colts line when they were going 14-2 like every year? They are smaller but mobile, and good in pass protection. The thing that worries me is 3rd and 2, we dont have a pounding running back, or a large line to bulldoze for those yards…we will see.

by 9to88 on Aug 28, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions

Peyton Manning is the reason they went 14-2

for what seemed like every year

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions

Not without a good O-line...

Manning was never getting sacked…I think when they went to the superbowl he got sacked 9 times the whole year and Manning is a statue in the pocket

by 9to88 on Aug 28, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions

Drew Bledsoe was a statue

Manning moves in the pocket better than most QBs and does a great job of getting rid of the football. Sure his OL is above average to great, but Manning should be credited with his lack of getting hit/sacked.

by RE1D on Aug 28, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions

CCboy

Great stuff, We need to start discussing the value of the 57th best player in the NFL. I would say a second or 3rd. I get that he is no spring chicken however he is a probowler and can start on 90% of the teams from day one. Choice is worth a seventh if anything.

Everythings gonna be alright.

by Glory Daze on Aug 28, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions

Just cant see it

With his age and contract Id think a 5th, maybe a 4th if we found a team that was desperate.

The greatest two yard run ever!

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 28, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions

Here, kitty-kitty

Cute now, but when they grow up…

Don’t disturb ‘im. He’s gets up, something’s gonna die.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 28, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs

Haha

rec’d. Just looking at the lion’s face u can see why they’re called the king of the jungle.

by DarkKnight88 on Aug 28, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Well now SOMEbody got him upset.

by mdlusk on Aug 29, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Great write up!

Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense poopy-pants!!

by I am a Romosexual on Aug 28, 2011 11:39 AM CDT reply actions

Nice writeup.

1 minor point, Costa was never on the PS last year. He was always on the 53.

by Rena on Aug 28, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions

Rena

You are not incorrect.

But I was going for a non-drafted status, and low mileage on the player. I stated call up to include him specificly.As that was his status just the previous year, but he only started, what, one game last year?

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on Aug 28, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Coaching

Coaching has been productive so far and could of been what we’ve been lacking. I love the moves made so far. The only question I have now is if RR has to get on to the secondary during practice so much then why is Campo still around? Times change and it doesn’t seem he’s effective anymore.

by Final Frame on Aug 28, 2011 1:54 PM CDT reply actions

JG has full control

I think it’s fair to say that whatever Jason Garrett wants, Jason Garrett gets. I couldn’t agree more with the failures of the offensive line being linked to the failures of previous seasons. So far, I trust JG and he hasn’t given me a reason to doubt him (yet).

by CowboysFan_inDC on Aug 28, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions

I won’t attempt to discount the fears with such a direction in change.

But, the team has been winding down to this picture over the past three seasons. It started with the releases of TO, Roy Williams, Tank Johnson, Pac Man, Flozell Adams, and Gregg Ellis.

There was some trepidations with that directional change as there is with this final round of change.

But I must also remind of the nature of change as well. Hey, I was a NCO in the Army and very involved in professional developments and career directions in it’s youth. That took an intensive and building early period.

Here, I’ll refer back to the thread’s starting post:

Kevin Kolwalski – free agent from Toledo 22 *rook
Bill Nagy – 7th round from Wisconsin 23 *rook
David Arkin – 4th round from Missouri State 23 *rook
Tyron Smith – 1st round from USC 20 *rook

Jermey Parnell OT 25 (year 2)
Phil Costa C 24 (year 2)
Kyle Kosier 32 (year 10)
Doug Free 27 (year 5)
Sam Young 24 (year 2)

Except for Doug Free and Kyle Kosier, that entire roster group is filled with players under the three year and Bill Parcells bell tolling evaluative measure of being in the league long enough for full developing and then toeing the line professionally.

To replace a veteran, under the current guidelines of the Dallas Cowboys franchise, a player has to at least match the skillset of the player that he is being considered to replace. So base levels of talent are measureable on initial levels of comparison. It is the top end factors that change from there. That involves commitments, individual hard work, and on the field experience. That requires actual play, coaching, and game time play.

A player such as Andre Gurode, has shown top levels in the past, but his shelf value now does not possess the top end elements of a sustained career, that these young players do. I loved his heart and respect his pride, but his skillset no longer contains the dynamics of responsiveness or explosiveness that this group of young linemen possess.

DeMarcus Ware did not average league leading totals in sacks during his first three years in the league. The same can be said of this youthful group of offensive linemen as well. Here, the Lockout denied them career enhancing ability to forge technique, reference sets of experience, as well as NFL and a professional level of strength and conditioning for an elite NFL player’s career.

This has to cause doubts in a fan. That is natural.

But what a fan should also recognize, is that the talent is definitely there in full potential. The youthful approach reminds me of when those rascals, the Pittsburgh Steelers forged their dynasty period upon a single year’s group of drafted players. Three of which eventually ended up in the Hall of Fame.

The Dallas Cowboys, under Jason Garrett, have gathered a group of very strong coaches. They are senior in a cross section view, but very qualified and effective at reaching and developing positional groups. And it will take, after that Lockout, time for strength and conditioning specialist, Mike Woicik, some time to bring this group up to full potentials.

As the Boy Scout Campers are preparing for their last night’s camp fire, they are now at least using dry kindling and not wet wood to start the blaze…and that highlights all Order of the Arrow ceremonies of change.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on Aug 28, 2011 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Well stated

Change’s constant. Fear it not.
Fear is the mindkiller,
Fear is the little death
That brings total Oblivion.

This potential of which you speak, it is of the “hasn’t done it yet” variety, correct?

However, to think that the 3-seasons gone-by releases are or were consciously decided upon components of the planning which may now be in effect is highly debatable. I would say it is wrong, in fact, in that they are unrelated for the most part. Owens, possibly an influenced decision, which may have been a constituent element of current planning (almost certainly was, in that he’d have been gone under a JG regime, given the power to make the call, as he has according to the owner’s statement and evidentiary indications). The rest, not so much.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 28, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Dune's Bene Gesserit

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.

by mdlusk on Aug 29, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Bingo. Thanks for the correction too, md.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 29, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Do remember this though:

Hope clouds observation.

Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

Or as Raf is wont to say: Hope is not a plan.

by mdlusk on Aug 29, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep, sure does. Star’s can be blinding if one’s not careful.

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 29, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Its about time Kosier gets his due

Two years ago there was a lot of discussion about the cowboys addressing the LG position in FA or the draft. 90% of the BTB responders felt that Kyle Kosier was the weak link on a line that included Flo, K2, Andre the Guorde, Bigg Davis, and Columbo.

I didnt understand it. Parcells and Ireland plucked this guy from Detroit in FA, locked him up with a long-term deal worth peanuts, and inserted him and his lunchbox into the starting line-up. However, because he wasn’t drafted in the 1st or 2nd round like the others, didn’t have Pro Bowl accolades, or a big contract … Kosier obviously was the weak link keeping out line from being dominant.

Flash Forward 2 years and its looking like K squared is the last man standing. Sure KK has been injury prone, but he quickly re-signed with the Cowboys when FA opened, and then accepted a position change to RG.

Well I think its about time Kosier gets his due. What a great contributor he has been. If Kosta, Nagy, Arkin, and Kowalski turn out to be even close to the player Kosier is, we will be just fine up front.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Aug 28, 2011 10:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

Kosier deserves some props.

He has been overshadowed by the youth movement, but looks to be the one oldster that the team needs.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Aug 28, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Kyle was originally intended to be the backup for several positions, as he had played 4 different positions on the OL before.

I believe he was inserted into the starting lineup when Marco Rivera’s back proved to be unfixable. Then he managed to hold off every attempt to replace him there (there have been many) and move him back to a backup, and since we are now moving to a mobile line, he is the ONLY one we still want. apparently. Of course his age means he will have to be replaced soon anyway.

by mdlusk on Aug 29, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Big Risk

I’m all for being optimistic and everything, but anybody else a little nervous about this total overhaul, with low pick rookies and UDFA’s? I’d sure feel a lot better if we had a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the mix, or brought in a vet or two. I watched Nagy and Arkin hard last game, and I was not impressed with either one. And if you’ve seen Montrae Holland play for this team, I don’t know why you’d be excited about him being Garrett’s #1 choice to start. Don’t forget, Nagy and Arkin are only getting looks because Holland’s hurt.

This seems like a very arrogant move by Garrett. Essentially he’s saying he doesn’t need any proven veterans. He can scheme and play call well enough to use all these unproven guys in his system. It’s obvious he wants to move away from the power blocking system we’ve been known for, and create a line that can do more zone blocking, but that doesn’t mean you can throw just anybody in there and the genius of Jason Garrett’s chalkboard will take care of the rest.

I can see where he’s coming from. Essentially he had to treat the old OL like a zone blocking front, but without the benefits you get from a quicker, zone blocking line. We couldn’t get push on short yardage, and we couldn’t anchor on pass protection, like a power blocking line should, and that’s what you give up with a zone blocking line in exchange for quickness and mobility. We didn’t have the benefit of either one. It’s true that you have more room to scheme with a zone blocking line, but Garrett must be pretty darn confident in that if he’s gonna roll with three rookies on the line. And outside of Smith, we’re talking about a bunch of 7th rounders and UDFA’s vying for those two spots.

I hope he’s right, but all the optimism and atta boys here are kind of confusing to me. This is not the Colts’ line that gave them 14-2. It’s not an exciting time to witness the new, dominant line. It’s a huge gamble, it hinges on Garrett’s scheme rather than player talent, and don’t forget, this is all going down on a short offseason, with the success depending on rookies! Most of whom are low picks or UDFA’s! I hate to rain on the parade here, but let’s be real about this. Besides Smith, none of these rookies are showing dominance in preseason. They’re borderline NFL starters, and on most other teams would be 2nd and 3rd string back ups.

If you wanna crown em, then crown em!!!

by Useful_Idiot_ on Aug 29, 2011 10:04 AM CDT reply actions

I agree

and can only hope Tony survives the experience.

by mdlusk on Aug 29, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Tony is 32. How long do they think it will take for this OL to be Super Bowl

caliber.

Add on to the fact most Super Bowls are won by QB’s who aren’t in their 30’s.

They are so aren’t won by free agent undrated QB’s.

But I digress.

by Sharksbreath on Aug 29, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions

"They are so aren't"

WTF"

Recent history shows they aren’t won by QB’s in their 30’s.

by Sharksbreath on Aug 29, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions

umm

thats because they was a huge turnover at the beginning of the decade.

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 30, 2011 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree

It’s wishful thinking to believe that all of these moves will work in year one. It’s clear that the Cowboys are not selecting this years roster based off who the best player is today. They are future focused.

It can be rationally argued that Costa offers the Cowboys options that Gurode no longer does, but to suggest that Kevin Kolwalski, the free agent from Toledo is a better this year player is laughable. The bottom line is the Cowboys are rebuilding. The two solid OT have allowed the Cowboys to take some risk in the middle of the line and they took it.

The more I think about that, I am confortable with that reality. This team’s maximum potential is about 10-6 and a playoff win and with some ill fortune it could be a lot worse. This team needed to be rebuilt and they decided to front load the risk taking to try and shorten the trasition.

by Trey, on Aug 30, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Give one thing to the oline if nothing else

Since the change of the guard their have been a lot less penalties committed by the line. This kind of discipline is better then what we showed the last few years.

by Final Frame on Aug 29, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions

What we do know .....

LT – Free is pretty darn good.
LG – Nagy emerged from competition with Arkin (one of the top G prospects in the draft)
C – Kosta needs to get healthy but he was going to win this competition anyway
RG – Kosier when healthy is a very study
RT – There isn’t another 2011 1st round OL pick playing at Smith’s level right now.

While I don’t expect this group to be dominant, I think the glass if half full and the future certainly looks a whole lot better than a year ago.

What I don’t like is that (like always) Tony Romo will be counted on to make plays with inconsistent OL play and more than likely a below average running game.

The other piece to the puzzle is that with Gurode’s departure and more than likely Igor’s release the Cowboys will be able to accelerate a large chunk of 2012 dead money this year.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Aug 29, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions

I’ll give you Free and Smith, and Kosier is a solid piece of the puzzle, but Arkin a top rated prospect? Last site I checked had 12 guards ranked ahead of him in the draft and gave him a round 5-7 grade. And Nagy beating him out could mean Arkin flopped as much as it could Nagy excelled. Don’t forget, Holland was the favorite until he got hurt. Montrae Holland. The dude is garbage, and now we’re singing the praises for two guys that were supposed to be that guy’s back up? If they were that great, don’t you think there would’ve been at least a whisper of talk of them taking over for Davis?

Costa has probably been the best of these 7th round/UDFA studs that everybody seems so high on, but is he better than Gurode? Not so sure. I suspect more than anything that Gurode pissed some people off waiting on his surgery, showing up out of shape, and Jason Garrett, running this no BS team didn’t stand for it, in order to send a message. I doubt Costa out-played Andre Gurode to the point of releasing him. He was cheaper, he wasn’t that much of a drop off in production, and Gurode screwed himself.

Bottom line is Garrett wants a zone blocking line yesterday, and he’s sick of watching these fat, lazy piles limit his offense. He’d rather go down being able to run the offense he wants to run, than to go down being limited by a slow, inept line. Let’s not pretend like all these young kids outplayed every player on the OL, and we’ve got the greatest line in the league. That’s far from reality.

by Useful_Idiot_ on Aug 29, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions

actually Useful

Last site I checked had 12 guards ranked ahead of him in the draft and gave him a round 5-7 grade

Pro Draft Scout had Arkin rated at #8 with a 4th round grade….See here

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 29, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions

Your link has a 5th round grade on him.

Here’s the link I was referring to.

We could do this all day. The point is, I wouldn’t say he was a top rated guard, and I wouldn’t crown Nagy the next Steve Hutchinson for beating him out.

by Useful_Idiot_ on Aug 29, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions

He may not have been a first round pick.....

however just like Tyron he doesn’t they don’t have to out run the tiger….merely each other

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 29, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly. And that’s what makes me nervous.

Just because Nagy beat out Arkin doesn’t tell me much. I’d feel a lot more comfortable if one of these guys beat out Holland, and Davis, and that’s what led to Davis’ release. Same with the Gurode situation. But that’s not the case here.

by Useful_Idiot_ on Aug 30, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

I would say that Arkin beat out Holland

as far as the Davis/Costa thing,we may never know…..but I imagine that if Davis and Gurode had actually been able to compete that they still would have been beat out…..

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 30, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions