Have The Dallas Cowboys Gone All In On The Offensive Line?
The most stunning development in the Dallas Cowboys game against the Minnesota Vikings did not happen on the field. It was the unexpected announcement that Andre Gurode would sit and rookie UDFA Kevin Kowalski (a product of that lineman factory, Toledo) would start and likely play the entire game at center.
When I heard this, I immediately thought back over the preseason, and thought "Huh?" Followed by, "What?" And, of course, "Who?"
If this had happened next week against the Miami Dolphins, it would have made sense. The fourth game of the preseason is for evaluating backups. But this was the third game, the "dress rehearsal". This was the last chance for Tony Romo and the rest of the starters to get ready for the regular season. There were already two rookies on the offensive line. Wasn't this a huge gamble?
Well, yes. And I am realizing that Jason Garrett may be a much more daring coach than I had thought.
I freely admit that my favorite thing to do in studying the Cowboys is to try and get inside the heads of the decision makers. Jerry Jones frequently gives us a lot of insight into what is going on with the team. Unfortunately, he gives it in his own way, which means he speaks obliquely and indirectly, spending a lot of time to reveal minimal hard information. Last night was no exception, as he discussed the Gurode situation with the Dallas broadcast crew, who are all Cowboys employees themselves. That means he didn't exactly get pressed with incisive questions and was able to lay out what he wanted the way he wanted. The "business decision" label basically said that a change was in the works while leaving the options pretty wide open for what that would be. This in turn has led to a flurry of discussion and speculation on what is actually going on.
It is obvious that there are three possible outcomes: Gurode gets traded, Gurode agrees to a lower salary, or Gurode gets cut. Two of those three options mean that the Cowboys go with Phil Costa and/or Kowalski as the starting center in the season opener at the New York Jets.
The decision to get out from under at least part of Gurode's contract may have a lot to do with Jerry's management, but I believe that Jason Garrett has to be on board with this. That means that Jerry and Jason together agree that Andre is no longer worth the $7.16 million he would count against the cap, according to figures in a post here. Cutting him could save $5.5 million of that with an outright cut.
It seems fairly apparent that Costa's performance as center has made the coaches think that Gurode was no longer the vital cog many of us out here thought he was in the rebuilding of the offensive line. I saw more comments than I could count along the lines of "They would never do this!" regarding the move to ditch Gurode. Before last night, I certainly could not imagine this happening to start the season, especially since Costa is out with a PCL injury. Jerry indicated last night that he expects Costa to be ready to go in week 1, but I don't always trust his medical credentials. And it certainly meant that the Cowboys had to go with option #3 at center last night against Minnesota. To protect Tony Romo.
All us Cowboys fans remember why we want a healthy Tony Romo, right?
This was going to mean three rookies going against the best defensive line the Vikings could put on the field. They did have injury issues of their own to deal with, but Jared Allen was still there, and the backups were thought to be fairly good.
At this point, I am going into full Garrettology mode. The following is based on my opinion, which in turn comes from the past nine months of trying to sort out what is going on in that red head.
First, Jason is liking what he sees with the young'uns up front. Tyron Smith has been everything the team could hope for. Bill Nagy has performed far above 7th round expectations. Phil Costa has come back for his second year and opened some eyes. David Arkin has been inconsistent but still shows promise. And Jermey Parnell has received praise, including some favorable comments from Jerry during his third quarter visit to the broadcast booth last night. With the tenuous status of Montrae Holland, that means Kyle Kosier appears to be the only experienced veteran the Cowboys have plans for this year. Doug Free also provides some experience, but he is clearly a part of the youth movement. Amazingly, as OCC pointed out earlier, the average age on the O Line dropped six years from last year to now, 30.8 to 24.8. Gurode would have been a hedge, a second old but very experienced and skilled veteran. But Garrett must have decided that he had tools that he could use to cover for that loss. And I think Kosier is still starting only because he is showing the ability to make the plays JG wants, something that Jerry and the announcers hinted Gurode was not doing anymore.
Speaking of Jerry, I do not think this is his call. In the past, he has always wanted to sign experience, bringing in veterans to add that missing piece to put the team over the top. That has been exposed as the folly it is, and the new way is to build through the draft and UDFAs, teaching your young talent to be the players you want. It's that Cowboy Way idea again.
No, the safe thing would have been to keep Gurode at least for this season. But someone decided that the Cowboys were going to fully and irrevocably commit to the youth movement on the O line. They made the football equivalent of going all in. The team is going to roll with these young players. If Gurode does take a lower paycheck, I think he will be relegated to backup status as soon as Costa is ready to go.
That is not Jerry. He is willing to make big moves, but not on unknowns, which is really what we have. I think this is Jason's call. He is putting his line of the future on the field right now, and going with it.
Last night, I think we saw the gambler in Jason come out. Oh, he looked long and hard at the odds, and you better believe he analyzed this and considered all that could be won and lost. But he still pushed that whole stack of chips out there. I believe he thinks this is the best team he can field right now, despite all the "conventional wisdom" out there.
And based on last night, when Romo and the rest of the team (except Martellus Bennett) got out of the game healthy and the team performed fairly well, especially in the second quarter, he may just win this bet.
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Actually, the best part this decision and those made at the beginning of the season is the psychological aspect.
Straight out of the Jimmy Johnson book of management. Very few players under his regime felt safe with their jobs. I remember Leon Lett crying in the locker room after that Miami game where he gave up a sure touchdown by being sloppy with the ball, and actually thought Jimmy might cut him.
Another example was when Nate Newton lost his Tackle position to Erik Williams, and then took Kevin Gogan’s guard spot when he went into Jimmy Johnson’s office and reminded Jimmy that his policy was that the best players get on the field and that maybe Williams was a better tackle, but he was a better guard than Gogan. It was a funny story Nate told how Gogan’s eyes burned into him in the meeting room after the switch, and all Nate could do was look away. No fights, no arguments…everyone just knew that if you wanted to play, you had to perform.
The days are coming to an end where veterans get a free pass…
by CaliFanInTx on Aug 28, 2011 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
"The days are coming to an end where veterans get a free pass"
gone
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
amen right
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Gogan ended up started at guard with Williams at tackle and Newton the other guard
by Jonathan Stern on Aug 28, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure you're right about this...But the point of the story is still the same.
Nate took Gogan’s position when he pointed out to the coaches their policy that the best players…play.
No one argues on the team because no one is promised anything more than they earn. This was the “Cowboy Way” before it became the “Patriot Way”.
This would make a great story
What IS the Cowboy way – a comparison of JJ and JG. I think the similarities would be pretty interesting.
Don't believe everything you think.
JG is a product of his environment just like the rest of us are...
Human being overwhelmingly learn by seeing…JG has to be a product of coaching philosophies learned from his father, Johnson in the 90’s, Giants, Tampa, and Sabin’s Miami. He’s been on teams that reached the pinnacle of the sport Dallas & NY and at the bottom…Tampa. The guys has to have a good feeling of what works and what doesn’t. He’s got a plan…
At the foundation of his plan is to clearly set expectations, and be consistent in enforcing those expectations.
I'm high on Garrett, but even I'm not ready to invoke Landry's name...
It’s just people sometimes don’t realize how long this guy has been coaching in the league…he’s only been a coordinator and called plays for 4 years and was the QB coach in Miami for 2 years prior to that. He had a long playing career and was still a playing in the NFL in 2004. In his first 4 years of coaching he matches up well with the leagues top offensive minds…he’s ahead of the curve in comparison to the league’s current best offensive mind Payton, and just think how good this guy is going to be when he gets more experience.
I agree that the Landry comparisons are a bit premature.
But the potential sends a chill down my spine.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Premature's an understatement
Somewhat inaccurate, to boot.
Though DW’s Landry/Johnson/Cowboy-Way connection comment’s valid.
I’d go all-in their names flitted though his head saying it.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Not sure what you don’t understand or the “huh?” is about, but I’ll take a stab at it.
I’d wager everything I had on the table, all my betting chips, (go all-in) that Landry and Johnson’s names went through Garrett’s mind when he spoke or conceived the term “Cowboys Way”.
As in “the idea had flitted through his mind” or “zipped through his thoughts”.
If that’s not it, please say what you are confused about and I’ll try to resolve your difficulty understanding the statement. If that’s it, remember, the dictionary is a thinking person’s friend.
Clear up your “huh?”?
Cry 'Havoc!'
It's not that we expect Garrett to repeat Landry's or Johnson's accomplisments
just that he is taking a similar approach. And that can only be a good thing.
Don't believe everything you think.
I'm totally ok with it
Count me in cuz I’m on board with the youth movement. Gurode wouldn’t have been on the team next year either way and we will give some of the young guys valuable experience for when the legit playoff runs begin next year. The biggest issue this team has right now is the d-line and finding some real players there instead of the stop-gaps we have now. You can’t fix everything in one year.
excuse me Musiccity, But.....
I am new here and do not know what that image is that you keep making. Can you clue me up?
Thank you,
Willy
Square peg...round hole.
As in Gurode no longer fits the scheme Garrett wants to run.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Aug 29, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
good read
i agree this is all RHG. i cant see JJ being the man behind this move at all. good to see RHG does in fact have control over HIS team.
its preseason watch the players individually. igor is garbage!
by yehti on Aug 28, 2011 6:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
also if theres a trade scenario even better.
if we can get even a 4-5th its better then nothing plus Dallas has no cap count for gurode or any other player if traded
its preseason watch the players individually. igor is garbage!
by yehti on Aug 28, 2011 6:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
they get thier guaranteed money I think
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct
Guaranteed money from the signing bonus still counts toward the cap. And it will also count next year even if traded.
So, either way Gurode will count $1.66 M vs. this year’s cap and vs. next year’s cap.
The savings in the salary cap is the actual salaries for this and next year and the actual real money saved.
+4.45 million
its preseason watch the players individually. igor is garbage!
by yehti on Aug 28, 2011 7:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The site I referenced had the savings at $5.5 million
Using the cap hit of $7.16 million counting the guaranteed money.
And when you think of it $1.66 million is a nice parting gift.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Upon
further review the Cowboys have quite a bit of leverage. If I am Gurode I am asking myself if I can get that somewhere else. Also what kind of a pay cut are they going to ask him to take it would have to be significant as compared to the young guns salary.
Everythings gonna be alright.
Jerry isn't smart enough to make these moves.
Too bad he wasted 4 years with Wade. Sad to see Ware ,Witten, Romo waste 4 years becauseof the Wade fiasco.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
But maybe garrett wouldnt have been ready 4 years ago.
He's good, but he's no Danny White!
by Shaymer on Aug 29, 2011 4:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hard to say
…what Garrett learned under Wade that helped him, even if it was just never never never do anything you see Wade do.
Too bad you didn't warn him 4 years ago, eh?
Being as he’s not as smart as you. Only smart enough to own the Cowboys.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Really?
I don’t know what Mensa thought at the time, but there were plenty of cowboy fans who didn’t like the wade years while they were occurring, not just after his exit.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
dave I almost vommited when I heard Jerry say in the presser...
to announce Wade “we got it right”. All he needed to do was look at Wade’s past. Wade starts out strong then fizzles because he has no discipline. Even worse a lot of the fan base bought into the Wade hire. Then were uttlerly disgusted and surprised at the ending. This is typical Wade. Then for him to say he had the same winning percentage that Landry had in Dallas.
The Wade/Jerry drafts didn’t produce hardly anything. Jerry played a huge role in last years demise. Fans who think otherwise are fooling themselves. He may be smart enough to own the team but he isn’t smart enough to build a winner.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 29, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
No doubt there were some, perhaps many, maybe even most
Those that ensured their warning was received by Jerry can justifiably moan that he didn’t listen to them. Those that didn’t, especially those that have become vocal since the coaching change, appear more engaged in hindsight whining, griping and/or bitching than anything constructive. Or doing the I-told-ya-so/I’m-smarter-than dance. It’s a two-step, btw. Step one’s letting it happen. Step two’s spouting off.
And yeah, Really, it is too bad that somebody “smarter” than Jerry didn’t warn him about what was going to happen in the then-as-yet-to-be-determined future. Oh wait, that’s not “smart”, that’s omniscience. Or fortune-telling.
Cry 'Havoc!'
LOLOLOL .Really, it is too bad that somebody "smarter" than Jerry didn’t warn him
Jerry doesn’t listen to anyone.
Bill Parcells….“in 3 years you will never know I was here”
Jerry Jones “I have final say”…….= not what you want in a gm.
tans continue your defense of Jerry the smart one, u know the one that has 1 playoff win in 15 years, who wated 4 years of Romo Ware Witten.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 29, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not defence, mensa...
You obviously know little of my take on Jerry, his ownership and stewardship of the Cowboys or thoughts about this team and franchise. Basing your response on these few comments is not a smart move.
To simplify some of it for you, I reposted this (with what you could call a preamble now).
Cry 'Havoc!'
I completely disagree.
This shows that Garrett has zero say in personnel decisions, and Jerry’s wallet and wannabe coaching are all that matter.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
how?
When has Jerry ever let go of a vet for a less than 3years in the league guy? Austin only shined when RW was hurt, Felix has been forced to share carries with Barber, Free didn’t get to shine til columbo was hurt etc etc..
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I'm with bigham
This is the opposite approach from what Jerry has done for years. I see this as Garrett approved, if not initiated. I believe that Garrett told Jerry that he did not see Gurode starting anymore, and then Jerry went to work to decide how to save the money.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Since the new CBA
Moves had to be made to accommodate the new economics of the owner, the league, and the country. The team needed to make drastic moves to just get under the cap this year, and has a lot of ugliness staring them in the face already for next year. If they were able to fit in under the cap, those guys would all still be here.
Step 1 was getting under the cap for this year. Step 2 is preparing for the cap next year with 20 million plus in dead money. We saw Scandrick get overpaid to replace Newman next year already. But he is cheaper than what we would have to pay to bring in a starter. Now Gurode is being (whatever they are doing).
Everyone says Jerry is different this year, and I say rewatch the Nnamdi saga.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
This may or may not support either of your arguments, but its an excellent point about how incumbents were rewarded in the Wade years.
by Kevin Templar on Aug 29, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you Tom
I said in a post the other day that I think Garrett is using the Oline to make his stamp on this team. And what better way than to overhaul the big heavies… now the fans can root for the oline as a whole recognizing them as mostly young pups trying to make a name for themselves and a difference for our team.
Garrett took over a team with skill players already in place on his side of the ball, he gave control of the D to a madman (in the good sense) who will pick it up and run with it with the same intensity he/Garrett would if that were his side of the ball (ie- he can trust him to give his utmost and be as daring and committed).
So the moving pieces are: 1. Offense Skill players, check, 2. OLine rebuild, -hopefully check, 3. Defense -being handled by equally proficient geniuos, check, 4. Special Teams… yet to be determined
Maybe I should have added, 5. Management (handling Jerry)... so far so good...
now if he would just keep his mouth shut so we could get a good return on Gurode as trade bait!
The best part about this move
If the premise as laid out is true, that this is Garrett imposing himself on the Jones, this is very good news. I think a big part of the problem coaches have had is that the players have always been able to get to Jerry and it undermined the coaches.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 28, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I often wonder if JG could get Jerry to stay away from the microphones.
Eh, nah. I should know better.
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Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
what did he say about Tebow?
He's good, but he's no Danny White!
by Shaymer on Aug 29, 2011 4:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't even have to click the link....
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 29, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I like it
This puts everyone in notice. Realistically, was Gurode going to make a difference? If he’s not the type of lineman that Garrett wants, then he needs to be replaced sooner rather than later. I wish him well. This season could be the working season to get stuff fixed, and then in 2012 – 2013 the pieces will be ready for a true run for the SuperBowl.
Yes, he was.
Costa, Arkin, Nagy, Kowalski (who?) etc. are weak and not ready to start. Enjoy running for your life Romo, and not running anywhere, Jones. As they said, this is a business decision, not a coaching or personnel decision. It’s about the money, not what is best for the team.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
i strongly disagree
of those Arkin is the only one that actaully needs a year to strengthen up and improve technique. Nagy has been playing extremely well, coasta has been doing just as well if not better than Gurode, and even Kowalski who didn’t even get snaps until last night with the first team came out and played well. no bad snaps, seems he handled the DT’s well. Good ypa in the run game. What’s your issue with finally getting the young players we’ve needed for so long on the line? Pedigree not good enough for you? Not all first round picks or overpriced free agents that will never earn the dough? Get with it Baked…you crying foul at something that is an improvement.
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
They are young, not good.
They do not necessarily go hand in hand. Read the write ups on this site for all the guys you mentioned. They are full of them getting pushed around. I’ll give you Costa, but he’s hurt.
Felix ypa: Game 1, 7.7; Game 2, 8.0; Game 3, 4.0. One of these things is not like the others.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
also note they went aganist the vikings dline..
But to be honest Im not all in with that 3rd center kawaski I believe but the rest of my team has the stamp..
I saw Costa coming a mile away, guard is the easiest for a rookie to play at…
So it there just gotta keep on repn out the young guys.
by lostar2009 on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you're right...makes total sense to me....
gzme one costa arkin, smith. game two gurode, nagy, smith. game Kowalski, Nagy, Smith. Draft level does not make for talent level. I’m still waiting for you to make your point. They are young and have nowhere to go but up. The lineup we had previous had nowhere to go but down.
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 30, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You're my boy Blue
He's good, but he's no Danny White!
by Shaymer on Aug 29, 2011 4:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Costa's actually considered to be very strong.
Arkin may need some time, but I doubt that Smith and Nagy can be worse than an injured, aging Colombo or a wildly inconsistent Davis.
Oh wait, you’re the one guy who thought this was an awesome line last year. So this explanation – that it’s all about money – is because you can’t give up on that idea. Even after they spend the first pick on a lineman, and then draft several more. Might be time to reconsider….
Don't believe everything you think.
I never said awesome, I said not that bad
That’s a huge difference, as I think you know, and an outrageous misrepresentation of my stance.
I said above that I shouldn’t have included Costa, but as strong as he supposedly is, write ups on this very site noted that the line got better push with Gurode. Lumping Tyron in with the other young guys does him an absolute disservice, because he is in a completely different class than them.
But if you thought the line struggled last year, you had better buckle up your chinstrap for this year. Especially if Costa isn’t ready. The play by plays on this site detail Nagy, Arkin, and now Kowalski getting shoved around. I’m terrified for Romo against the Jets’ D.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 7:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What exactly are you advocating?
Keep Gurode and pay him the $5.5 million this year? Oh and while you’re at it, would you also cut one of the young guys with upside to keep this guy who has apparently had a huge drop off (according to his own coaches and opponents as well).
I’ve got news for you, well run teams manage their cap and cut players all the time when the players performance is way below their cap number. Jerry was very clear, this is a “business” decision. It’s about damn time the Cowboys stopped making stupid business decisions because Jerry can’t get rid of “his” guys. If he won’t take a pay cut, try to trade him. If you can’t get someone else to take him, cut him and move on.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
This “well run” team has 20 million plus in dead money next year. I KNOW it’s solely a business decision, and that’s why I hate it. The guy has been hurt most of the preseason, and by all reports played very well in the one game he played. To say he’s had a huge dropoff based on him coming back from injury and that game is rather far fetched.
We are keeping young guys without upside, as well. That’s the issue. When the business decisions override the football decisions.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll ask again
What do you propose doing?
Please read my post again, you managed to almost completely mischaracterize what I said. I didn’t say the team has been well run, I said “It’s about damn time the Cowboys stopped making stupid business decisions …….”
As far as a judgement about how much Gurode has dropped off, the coaches and opponents know way more than you or me. Are you suggesting they all think it’s just a matter of time until he bounces back to his old form?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You asked a series of questions.
What do I advocate, followed by keep Gurode. As it was a series, I answered the first by answering “yes” to the second. I love the continual argument on here about coaches knowing more and that’s that, as this team makes bad personnel decision after bad personnel decision year after year. What opponents said that about Gurode? I haven’t seen anyone actually quoted.
It’s moot now anyway.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry I missed the "Yes"
So you wanted to keep Gurode and pay him over $7 million. Thanks for clarifying.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Went from 5.5 to over 7? Here’s the issue, Costa is hurt, Nagy has not been that great, despite the hype here (Chargers game write up by KD – 30% of his snaps were counted as negatives).
So we have a guy that NOONE had even mentioned prior to this week probably starting week 1 against the Jets, and a rookie LG that couldn’t even start for his COLLEGE team.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, not awesome
but they WERE that bad. Bad enough to axe the whole right side on day one. And if I collect all your thoughts into one statement, this angst you have is about Gurode maybe not starting. Because clearly Bigg was done from the get-go and Colombo was only going to stay as a back-up. So those sections of the line were going to change regardless.
They didn’t work on Gurode until they saw Costa in action. So clearly, undeniably, this decision has some football context or they would have cut Gurode from the beginning. His saslary hasn’t changed. Next year’s “cap hell” is still looming. So your statement that this makes zero football sense is an exaggeration as well.
What if your assessment of Costa (who will be the starter, whether it’s week one or three) is about as good as Gurode and costs a fraction? Then what kind of decision is that? Overwhelmingly a smart one. So this all rides on the team’s assessment of Costa vs Gurode. It’s a risk, but so is every time they make a position change. Of course they could be wrong, but it’s not a foregone conclusion that they are.
Don't believe everything you think.
Correction "What if their assessment of Costa is correct and he is as good..."
Don't believe everything you think.
It's official now.
So I hope they were right. More concerned about Nagy than Costa, provided that Costa gets healthy.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope so too
not just qwith this decision, but all of the changes. It’s going to be interesting times ahead.
Don't believe everything you think.
got not cable man no power, just generator
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks dude I got a OCC link he gave me earlier in the preseason
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
This is actually legitimately viewable online since NBC sponsors it ;)….
But either one works.
yeah thanks dude
I really like the NBC one idk they did that
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah so glad my autodraft custom rankings gave me jimmy graham
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Sleeper
Big former basketball player.
Everythings gonna be alright.
he went to some school called Miami!
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
yup I am pumped
Brees was looking his was all day yesterday
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I said when we hired him and I will say it again
I wish we hired Garrett a long time ago
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
I was really dissapointed when the team hired Wade over Garrett
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i wish we never hired Wade
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasted the prime years of Ware and Ratliff
Good riddance
"Look up, get up, and don't ever give up."
— Michael Irvin
Yeah, but
I think it’s been OK that JG has gotten a little bit of experience under his belt, and time to think about how he wanted to do things. Not sure he couldn’t have done it last year, but experience and seasoning can be good things.
Don't believe everything you think.
I agree
Who knows. On one hand, if Romo never bobbled that snap, Parcells stays a little longer and there’s no Wade. They also let Payton get away. He could have been head coach. That would have changed a lot.
I guess you never know what COULD HAVE BEEN. Me, I’m happy with what I got cuz I think its pretty good.
He's good, but he's no Danny White!
by Shaymer on Aug 29, 2011 4:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
THERE WILL BE MORE OF BOTH
.
Everythings gonna be alright.
I'm concerned about Ratliff
There’s no doubt he’s the RKG. I love Ratliff’s attitude is perhaps the best in that locker room. When Jenkins and Sensabaugh we’re quitting in the Green Bay game, Ratliff was trying his hardest every down and was caught by the media with tears in his eyes in the locker room.
That said, last year’s down performance and an uninspiring pre-season make me a bit concerned that he’s nearing the end of his time as a high-impact player. Just as we saw with Marion Barber, when you’re a guy who plays with extreme physicality beyond the yours physical gifts, it shortens your life-span.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted
Mike Singletary sooo bad, he wouldv turned around this team and made TO into an absolute monster and changed the entire team’s attitude
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
who did he have there???
thats right Alex Smith…and they let him coach for 2 years not enough time….he turned Vernon Davis into a top 5 TE
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
hes a motivational speaker coaching football
and yes he would do alot better as a DC
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
are you kidding?
He’s horrible with X’s and O’s. He was in way over his head and downright awful in SF
by somebodyquiet on Aug 28, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
In A Way
. . . we did hire Jason a long time ago
SuperTramp will need to take a back seat
they pull this off it will be the Crime of the Century!!!
You don`t think opposing Defenses are smelling blood right now? a Rookie RT even a 1rst rd`er is enticing to a veteran pass rush specialist but throw in Arkin, Nagy, Kowalski and you pretty well have a dream come true to opposing pass rushers and they will be aggressive and throw the kitchen sink at us. Yes it`s possible to pull a rabbit out of our hat, Romo will need to be Houdini, we` ll need to pull our guards and run sweeps and screens but realistically this unit should be considered 3 or 4 yrs away from their peak so if they succeed out of the gate, they will be downright scary in a few yrs.
But they have been surprising so far.
Yeah, I know, “It’s only preseason”. I just know what I have seen so far. And even if there are growing pains, I seriously doubt it would take 3 or 4 years.
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Ziggy
Have you noticed all the quick balls to Dez where they basically say to defenses – have your usually smaller weaker conrner make a play on a relentless beast…
Whoops – there goes seven yards.
And Felix Jones on a screen pass…sure bring the kitchen sink…chances are the defense will get burned just as often as they succeed.
And as the young line grows, that number will favor the Cowboys…so, go ahead…bring it!
just like Ryan's defense is vulnerable to, unfortunately
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by Realist Larry on Aug 28, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the scent of blood was out there the last two or three years
defenses have been all over this line. I’m not worried.
Don't believe everything you think.
This line is better than last years'.
Already. And they will get better. What was the team supposed to do, go with the players that didn’t cut it last year? Sign free agents they didn’t have the money to pay?
The shock is how completely they have revamped the line already. And that it is working so far.
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I'm a realist, but the thought of a Nagy/Costa/Smith line doesn't send me running for the hills
I think this is a 9-7 team. But I don’t think that a line with Nagy/Costa/Smith means it’s doomed for a losing season.
The fact is that I believe Tony Romo has made his O-line look much better than it is for a long time. If there’s one quarterback in this league that can survive with 3 rookies on his O-line and still evade preassure, make the right decision, and deliver the touchdown strike – it’s Romo.
See:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d802d2b6d/Can-t-Miss-Play-Tony-Romo-scramble?r_src=ramp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbKmqtjTt1s
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm. How much does Tony contribute to the success of the O line?
That’s an outstanding question. And it makes you realize how bad the line was early last year.
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I would point to what that O-linemen have done at other teams since being released
Flozell Adams – Completely done as a left tackle, had to find work as a backup RT. After only 1 year at the easier RT spot he was cut and is currently without a team.
Leonard Davis – Not one team has even brought him in to kick the tires
Marc Colombo – A quick news search for Marc Colombo brought up these local headlines:
- Sun-Sentinal: “Does Marc Colombo have a future with Dolphins past 2011?”
- Jason Cole: “Marc Colombo likely to struggle this year”
- and a quote from yesterday’s Palm Beach Post, “Colombo, cut by the Cowboys before the start of training camp and signed by Miami on Aug. 1, was beaten badly twice by Bucs defensive end Michael Bennett – for a sack on the first play of the game, and two running plays that resulted in a 3-yard loss for Reggie Bush.”
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That's all I need to know right there
As damning as evidence could be
by hbdc on Aug 28, 2011 9:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
really it was answered in 2006 when he took over and '07
this has been obvious for a while, because they went from Bledsoe, the living statue, to Romo. The sacks didn’t decrease because the OL suddenly learned to block!
Barber his first 2 years also made up for a lot of missed blocks and made them look better than they were.
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by Realist Larry on Aug 28, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
I stil have about half of the games from last year on my Tivo in the Den. I have spent a lot of time rewatching, among others the Redskins games and the gem that was the packers blowout. If any of you guys still have tape from last year, go watch some. This O-Line is so far ahead of that one in any category you care to name I do not know how to put it into words.The one thing that you will notice is the size difference. Last years line was bigger. But other than that there is nothing about them that can be compared to this squad, IMHO. What stood out to me the most is how cohesive and aggressive we now look IN PRE-SEASON than last years mis season squad.
I am not an expert football analyst, nor do I play one on T.V., so I am certain that there are things that I am missing, but my eyes, the stats from last year and the video all scream at me— we have a better O-Line than we did last year, right now.
JMHO, and as always, YMMV.
Willy
I think your eyes are just fine, Willy.
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Ridiculous.
They haven’t even played in an actual game against any type of game planning.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
line finally has the athleticism thats been lacking for so long...have to say I'm impressed with JG's cajones to go all in with youth this year
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i doubt Romo stays upright all year long,
line is too young, and too light against big def lines. also, i feel they will have a tough time in short yardage and goal line because of thaat (. im hoping im wrong tho . but its my gut feeling.
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by demonbane on Aug 28, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So?
He’ll stay up. He’s not really fragile. Try letting a LB get a free shot on you and not get hurt.
Residing on the BEast coast.
He's not fragile?
If you say so. You only get hurt more as you get older and hit more (which he certainly will).
But he does have a tendency to panic and play poorly when under pressure.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
The line has improved.
So I really don’t know what everyone is getting at. Sure the young guys will mess up at times, but it’s not like the veterans didn’t. Overreacting.
Residing on the BEast coast.
They have improved, based on what?
What makes you say they have improved? They haven’t even played an actual game yet.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
umm...didn't see jared allen do squat against this line last night...not even a blip on the stat line....
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
In a glorified scrimmage.
Don’t buy into the preseason hype. Also, the Vikings suck too.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Panic??? ha ha!
Did you watch P Manning last yer? EVERY QB plays poorly under pressure.
Don't believe everything you think.
And BTW, to help you with your analysis, here are Romo's panicky numbers
Courtesy of this OCC Article
Romo Under Pressure, 2008-2010
2008 2009 2010
Blitzed (in % of ATT) 31.6% 38.7% 35.2%
Passer Rating 85.4 95.9 118.7
Don't believe everything you think.
"pretty well have a dream come true to opposing pass rushers "
while they dream, Felix and Dez will be handing the ref a fotball in the endzone.
idk man their defense has a lot of talent
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
true
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
he has freakish physical skills
but has no throwing ability, hes a project player for 2 years
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
exactly
did u see the interview he has with Gruden??? he looked retarded i swear
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6686943
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
they yanked it lol
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they really have
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Jacoby Ford
will be a top 5 slot guy in a few years if they find him a QB…..Pryors not the guy
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we almost drafted him Cowboys really liked him in teh draft
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
but he had the best forty time
u know Al Davis would do anything to get a guy like that lol
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
When a team is bragging about its slot guy
You know they have nothing.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m sure we got some crappy backup instead.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
ya know baked...if you gonna cry so much about the team...
go plug in your xbox and play some madden on easy mode…i’m sure all your anxiety will go away…..
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been here longer than Jerry or Garrett
I was here before them, I’ll be here after they’re gone.
I wish I was a simpleton that would just lap up any scraps that the owner drops, but instead I pay attention to what is actually happening on the field.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
also keep in mind
last yr we kept hearing praise heaped on Sam Young and boy did his future look bright…I have a hard time seeing him make the squad this yr. Proctor, Berger, Petiti , MacQ so much promise so little reward.
Sam Young will get cut, you heard it here first
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I never understood the Sam Young hype
He looked terrible out of Notre Dame. But yet you heard so many media types, good media types like Brian Broddus, talk him up.
I still don’t know what people saw that made them so excited, but this pre-season he looks like very much like that awkward kid out of Notre Dame, not a raw NFL prospect.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I have to go back and look to see who we passed on for him
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It was the 6th round
I don’t blame them for the pick. The 6th round is what it is.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that
I just want to see who else we could have landed
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
James Starks I think
Wasn’t he a late round guy for Green Bay?
As a Buckeye I know that Kurt Coleman was a 7th rounder for Philly and he’s a quality backup.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
naw chia i doubt that..
To unsderatand young u gotta kno what he is.. a RT nothing less nothing more..he is not a "swing tackle "..he’s an old fashion marc columbo right tackle..
by lostar2009 on Aug 28, 2011 10:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That was the Dallas brass wanting so bad for an o lineman to work out.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that looks like more a possibility all the time.
He would only be kept as a backup. Let’s see, Free, Kosier, Costa, Smith, Nagy, Arkin, Kowalski, Parnell. He might stay around as the ninth OL backup since I really think Montrae Holland is going to be gone. And they might need another OT that bad. Do you think they might roll with just eight OL on the roster?
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maybe not first,
someone said it four days ago on Treys “Bitter Divorce” fan post
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
excluding Petiti...
guess who the rest of those OL play(ed) for???? thats right the Miami Cowboys lol
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
Sam Young got worse
my guess is much like gurode he does not fit
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't think he's any good
Gurode does some things well, he’s not a terrible center.
I don’t think Sam Young will ever be an NFL starter.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just shows you the spin we are being sold
That includes Costa, Kowaslki, Arkin, and Nagy getting shoved around by second stringers, while Jerry tells us how good they are.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
how did they get shoved around?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Physically
By more powerful and skilled players from the opposing team
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
This is how
The Jets assembled one of the most dominant lines in football. Some people may have doubted their decision to cut ties with Kevin Mawae and Kareem McKenzie, but you can’t argue with the outcome. Free and Smith will be studs for years to come and I’m liking what I see from Nagy, Costa and Arkin (love his attitude). They had a few vets stick around with youngsters D’Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold by keeping Alan Faneca and picking up Damien Woody, and I have no doubt Free and Kosier can be the leaders this young, athletic unit needs.
Time to see what this Kowalski guy is all about…
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
You can't possibly be serious.
This has to be some kind of joke. Are you really comparing Ferguson and Mangold to the leftovers that we have?
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I comparing Nagy and Costa to Ferguson and Mangold?
Absolutely not…but it’s not farfetched to think Free and Smith are of their caliber. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Smith get a Pro Bowl bid this year. I’m not saying he’ll deserve it, but undeserving Cowboys O-Linemen make the Pro-Bowl every year (Bigg and Gurode seem to get free trips to Hawaii each year).
Ferguson and Mangold are the Jets best O-Linemen, so it’s unfair to take my comment and say that I’m comparing them to Costa, Nagy and Arkin. Now, do I think that our “leftovers” in Costa, Nagy and Arkin could be as good as the other Jets starters, Brandon Moore (UFA) and Matt Slauson (6th Rounder)? Maybe.
Classic strawman… If you take issue with my ACTUAL opinion, we will just have to wait and see who is right, but intentionally misstating my argument so that you can call it “some kind of joke” won’t really get you anywhere…
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
by Furious Styles on Aug 29, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm with ya...if a third string C comes in cold and performs well in the dress rehearsal what does that tell you about the future of this line?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
One more interior lineman in rounds 2-4 next year
would really make me feel good about this line. I’ll give the current guys this year to show that we don’t need that extra guy, but it’s a little to optimistic to think they’ll all pan out.
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
by Furious Styles on Aug 29, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone watching this game
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
yeah they look really good thats my Super Bowl fav
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the raiders - it WAS easy!
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
well
I just think the Saints can beat the Packers and Eagles thats why I see them as a NFC favorite for the Super Bowl
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom, one more point to add to your information...
Costa is the Right Kind of Guy (RKG). I think it was a press conference where a reporter stated that Costa told the reporter that Lee was really intense, detail oriented, ate, drank, and slept with his playobook.
Jason responded with," [chuckle] Really, what did Sean say about Costa?" Of course, the reporter did their usual half-assed job and did not approach Lee with Costa’s quote.
Garrett went on to explain how BOTH guys were really intense, detail oriented, ate, drank, and slept with their playobook. Obviously, Costa was making a great impression on the coaches much in the same way that Sean Lee had been.
Again, the RKG. I would rather have a center that is a little less physically impsing, but more mobile and knows the playbook and the defenses better: especially with a rookie lined up next to him. Costa may be that guy.
by ScarletO on Aug 28, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Kinda like Step?
“I would rather have a center that is a little less physically imposing, but more mobile and knows the playbook and the defenses better: especially with a rookie lined up next to him.”
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I think you have a good point.
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At what point does actual talent factor into RKG?
Read any management book. Go in with the question: which is better more talented guy with bad attitude, or super attitude with extremely limited talent? Hint, it’s not the scrubs.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
i would take an underrated overacheiving "scrub" to your ultra talented and entitled player any day of the week...i know who wants the win more and is going to give his all every game
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
And you would lose.
It might not be fair, but it’s how it is. Talent beats effort 9 times out of 10. Effort can be improved, especially if our coaching is all that everyone claims that it is, but talent is limited.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions
so you can have your Jamarcus Russell ist round talent, I'll take Tony Romo UDFA and we'll see who comes out the better...
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
How about first round talents Phillip Rivers or Aaron Rodgers? Or the Mannings? Compared to say, dozens of UDFAs in camps this year and over the past few years? There’s a reason that guys like Romo and Kurt Warner are special; they rarely make it through the process without someone drafting them. Far more often than not, guys are undrafted for a reason.
Last year’s top 12 rated QBs: 8 first rounders, 1 second, 1 third, 1 sixth, 1 seventh.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I told heads about Denarius Moore! look at him starting now!
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
I liked him too. He would’ve kicked Ogletree to the PS
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yup
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Clifton Geathers
How is Geathers doing?
The Cowboys O line is well on its way to being fixed I am worried about the D Line.
Geathers could do for the D line what Parnell is doing for the O line.
He won’t clear waivers. The Cowboys got to find room for him
by Jonathan Stern on Aug 28, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Gaethers but we've got too many good players at D-line
Spears, Hatcher
Ratliff, Brent
Coleman, Lissimore
While I like Gaethers, I don’t like him enough to replace any of those names.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
keep 9 DE.
None of the Cowboys D lineman except for Ratliff are exceptional
by Jonathan Stern on Aug 28, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year the Cowboys kept 9 defensive linemen
by Jonathan Stern on Aug 28, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the Cowboys noramlly kept 6 D-line, let me check
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
2007, 2008, and 2009 it was 6 D-line
Last year they expanded it to 7 in order to keep Josh Brent and Sean Lissimore.
So it could happen if the coaches really like him.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
idk havent really seen him
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Au contraire
Our line is nowhere near fixed, and even weaker without Gurode. Expect the same for our DL this year and next.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Michael Bush was the man in college
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:25 PM CDT reply actions
agreed
he was an absolute beast, their RB core is so good
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
Shaun Rogers is beasting too
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
Chia i wanted him so bad
i thought he would follow RR over to us…could u imagine a line like this….. RE Hatch, NT Rogers, LE Rat??? i put rat on the left side hatch has been amazing on the right and rat will help out spencer alot
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
he looks good man
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Miami's Phillip "Dante Hall 2.0" Livas
will test our special teams….
his actual nick name is "Saturday Night Livas"
"This is J-Witt.......................dawwwg"
I wish we had a guy like that
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
wow, the dirt just made the Saints get f'd there
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
i actually kinda like the Raiders, they have the best uniforms
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but the CB slipped on the dirt making a cut, cheap TD on grass thats a tackle
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
"I freely admit that my favorite thing to do in studying the Cowboys is to try and get inside the heads of the decision makers."
Its like you stepped into my brain and stole its sole topic of interest
It is scary.
But the booze is top notch.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
by Tom Ryle on Aug 28, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Once you go full retard, it's hard to come back."
^Jungle Fever
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There are plenty of ’tards out there living really kick-ass lives
by billstickers on Aug 28, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry for the long post in advance
Before the benching came about I wondered out loud if Gurode would be traded, This really is a subject for debate as Gurode was and still is a pro bowl caliber center, I believe that ironmans assumption that Garrett planned to use a hybrid line with Holland and Gurode may be true, it has to be I suppose.
[]————0 Gurode is the square peg to the round hole, A really nice square peg but still a round hole, he just doesn’t fit. I know a lot of posters disagree and I respect that, My thought was and is Gurode has more value to other teams than us, so why not trade him?
The only reason we are where we are is because as stated above Costa lived with his play book, I think Costa surprised the coaches and showed up ready to play, Reds first plan was to start Gurode, His other plan was to start Holland for Davis but Holland as expected showed up out of shape and hurt, The real surprise is the battle Nagy and Arkin have been in all camp and pre season, Nagy looks like a polished pro and Arkin displays moments of greatness with the occasional bump (which lost him the starting job to Nagy.
The difference in starting three rookies and our three rookies is our three rookies have beat out the veterans and have earned the right to play, Yes Garrett has gone all in and he literally wrote two maybe three more chapters to the playbook by doing this, my guess is he did not expect this any more than we did,
The veterans did not change the rookies forced the issue
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As great a short summation of the Cowboy Way as you can get.
our three rookies have beat out the veterans and have earned the right to play
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+1
They got heart enough to beat the vets then they should play.
by Final Frame on Aug 28, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Garrett had nothing to do with this.
It’s about Jerry, not Jason. Best business decision, not best team decision.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
who do you root for?...really?..are you in the know personally with Jerry?..
with the offense that JG is running he needs more athletic linemen to set up screens and also ones that are able to handle quicksets in the passing game….this new offensive line is definately all about Jason and has nothing to do with Jerry…
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I root for the Cowboys, obviously.
I see that you’re one of those that thinks anyone that doesn’t tow the company line is not a true fan. Sorry, that’s not my style. I actually analyze the moves that are being made.
A mobile line is great, but at some point, they actually have to stand in front of someone and both stop that guy from pushing them back, and often push that guy back himself. On this site and other sites that provide analysis, everyone was just saying last week that the line looked better and got more push with Gurode, and now suddenly everyone is lauding the decision to dump him and saying we are better without him. How are we both better with him and without him?
Jerry has been very, very clear over the years. He makes the personnel decision, and no one else. Why would some rookie interim coach change that?
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure you're anayzing as much as rationalizing
First, it’s been announced Garrett isn’t the interim coach. He’s the head coach. Second, it was announced and then reiterated that Garrett had final say on personnel. Not sure how you missed these two points.
Second, of course there are no business decisions in the NFL that don’t have a football impact and no football decisions without business impact. So neither Jones nor Garrett is ever going to make a decision that is 100% business or football. The only question is whether the decision has mnore footbll content or business content. Davis and Colombo were more football decisions. They happened early and the draft day decisions tipped that hand. Gurode may have more business content, but it’s ridiculous to think that football considerations didn’t play a role. Clearly they saw enough in their youngsters to believe that Gurode’s salary wasn’t warranted. That’s how this and any other business actually works. Cost-benefit analysis. It remains to be seen whether their personnel evaluations are correct, but this isn’t something they did without thinking.
And BTW, the three guys the team dumped/may dump are the same three football analysts have been calling out for deteriorating performance. So you’re in a very small minority of people who think those guys were keepers.
Don't believe everything you think.
Three guys?
I’m talking about Gurode. Bringing in Davis and Colombo is just playing to the crowd.
Sorry, I don’t buy that because Jerry says things are a certain way, they are truly that way.
I’m aware that Garrett is now the Head Coach. If I remember correctly, week one will be his very first game as such. I like the guy, a lot, but I think it’s extremely naive, especially given our owner/gm’s history, to think Garrett is truly in charge.
Smith for Colombo, great football decision. Davis for unknown, not a bad football decision. Would have been fine if Gurode or Costa took his spot. Gurode
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 7:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, posting from phone
Gurode for Costa plus either Nagy, Arkin, or please God not Holland at guard is not a good football decision. Despite the posts of the missing Lee Ford, this team is in major salary cap trouble next year, and Jerry has said many times that he is cash poor right now. They even came out and clearly stated that this is a business decision. They didn’t say coaching, personnel, or disciplinary decision, they said business. I’m aware it’s part of the game, but it still sucks and me sad, disappointed, and angry.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 7:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's business
but it’s never divorced from football. Why didn’t they do this with Guroide sooner? Because they wanted to see what they had in Costa. Now that they’ve seen it, they believe that he is adequate and cheaper. They could be wrong, but it’s not all business, just like Colombo and Davis weren’t all football.
Don't believe everything you think.
No, you debated vigorously with me last season that Davis and Colombo were just fine
Clearly not playing to the crowd. Second, you said
rookie interim coach. Is there another way for me to take that?
Gurode being replaced may or may not be a good decision, just like Free was an iffy call until it worked out on the field. But denying that there is also a football basis to go with the business end is a form of rationalization. Jones isn’t going to pay Doug Free big money and then cut his own throat at Center. He believes (rightfully or not) that one of his young guys can do the job well enough to make it worth pursuing.
Don't believe everything you think.
Now we need the entire team to spoon the playbook
Not just the OL!!!!!
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by Stingah on Aug 28, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
great, powerful
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I had to do a computer pick fantasy draft
Had to be at a funeral yesterday…
Took Arian Foster number one and followed in the fifth and sixth (back to back) with DeAngelo Williams and Marc Ingram.
Sucks to do a computer pick – hopefully the team will be competitive.
I'm going crazy waiting to hear the news on Gurrode.
They said they were making a decision today. The day is almost over!!! Come on I need to know what’s up
by Dynamicduo on Aug 28, 2011 7:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
yeah idk why he fell so low in the draft
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
RB are under valued
Draft was deep with DT, DE, and LT prospects usually hard poitions to get in a draft,
Think of it this way of all the 1st round talent in 2009 only one or two would have been first round talent in this draft
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
huh?
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
the first round of 2009 was loaded with talent
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
you said that to make us feel better right??
by Jonathan Stern on Aug 28, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just replying to the above post not trying to bring up bad memories trust me
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
RB position has lost a lot of luster the last few years.
So many good ones come out every year a team can get a good 1 later in the draft.
Lock n Load
I don't understnad this
if a guy shows up like Peterson or ingram that has special measurables then why not early?
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Reggie
if he was drafted where Felix was, late first round that would be fine
because Bush is a big time weapon in an offense and he causes so much attention from the defense
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you want to go too far with that comparison.
But it would be nice to see some echoes of AD from him.
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He'll never catch Emmitt.
The longer Emmitt is out of football, the more amazing his career was. The best ever, IMO.
Lock n Load
18 game season
Emmit gets an asterisk. Where are all the purists? You mean to tell me its all about the money? Go figure.
Everythings gonna be alright.
+22
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Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Jim Brown was better. He just didn't play as long.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
For sure a better runner, but not a better RB.
There’s more to it than running the ball.
Lock n Load
brown would have it handed to em in todays league...
remember they didnt make em as fast or strong back then .
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Walter Payton.
Residing on the BEast Coast.
DeMarco Murray the next Adrian Peterson
by DCyanks21 on Aug 28, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I doubt even then
you have to think Emmitt played for 14 years….and amassed 18,335 yards….
that 1300+ yards a year…for 14 years….I just don’t see that happening again
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 28, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or Murray with Peterson
I seriously laughed when I read that
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, really.
I mean, I liked the DeMarco Murray pick. I think he’ll have a good career with the Cowboys, but Adrian Peterson is a likely hall of famer and clearly the exception to the “Don’t take running backs in the first round” rule. Him and LT are the only running backs I can think of in recent memory that were worthy of the first round selection. Chris Johnson maybe, but I’d like to see him do it for longer.
This team hasn't had a tier 1 RB in a dozen years
I like Felix Jones as much as the next guy, but when you watch Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, or Chris Johnson run it shows you what a true star RB is in this league. There’s no one on this roster that is in the same tier as them.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but look at all the success those guys brought their teams
I mean, for one…AP and Ray Rice IMO are the only true tier one guys there. CJ I still have long term concerns about regarding his durability, Jamaal Charles has really only been boss for one season. AP and Ray Rice I expect to be beasts year in year out, and they’re one of the few guys that I can say that about. You also have to consider that this team hasn’t had a true tier one OL in a dozen years or so either. Besides, the running game has gone by the wayside. A good two or three back tandem gets you just as far as any of those guys do and it’s all about the passing game anyways now.
Dallas could have had Rice, Charles or Johnson instead of Felix.
No explanation needed.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah..but then we would be dealing with CJ's current problem....and it wouldn't have been pretty...
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
How about Peterson compared to Barry Sanders?
Peterson in my mind can make things happen with a good oline or not. He’s the heart of the Vikings same as Barry was for the Lions.
by Final Frame on Aug 28, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I still don't think it's worth it
I think you should do what GB or NO does, load up on WR talent. GB takes a bunch of them in the 2nd round and spread the field out. Then find a RB in later rounds/UDFA
by somebodyquiet on Aug 28, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right man
Another weapon to add to our amazing arsenal
by somebodyquiet on Aug 28, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Same here. He has the skill set to play all of those. I can’t wait till madden comes out so I can motion him out of the backfield and kill philly’s LB….sick
by Mac_Eleven on Aug 28, 2011 9:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As far as timing -
Think they gave AG a look after he came back to the practice/playing field and decided it was time to move on. Remarkable transformation for a sub-standard unit.
Now, as to the Secondary…
Wine - the way classy people get wasted
Taiwan Jones looks good, I liked him a lot going into the draft
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
Still Play His Highlight Film
Most every morning just to start my day, and have been waiting to see him play.
Faster than a speeding bullet.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
that guy can kick man and he is fairly accurate
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If you really think about it
Jason Garrett basically killed off one player in one year!
Average O Line age went down SIX years per man…with a five man line that is lopping off THIRTY years!!!
That’s basically a whole player age-wise.
That is beyond incredible.
And the only people who are on top of this is the great posters at BTB.
ESPN is too busy covering Danica Patrick’s latest Go Daddy commercial.
Jason garrett killed off the equivalent of a one whole veteran lineman in one fell swoop!
I wish ESPN or NFL Network would really show the good side of the Cowboys more often
because I guarantee any other coach on any other team doing the things Garrett is doing would get major air play
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Garrett is not the "Wonder" kid anymore
Whatever happened last season, Garrett appears guilty by association and is getting the loser reputation nationally before he even gets a chance.
He ran a 1-7 team to 6-10 when they were playing with a back-up QB, no momentum, and nothing to play for…and he had the Saints and Cardinals beat late…could have been 8-8 which is remarkable…
Yet he’s a nobody compared to Danica never wins Patrick on ESPN.
she's really hot though and she races cars
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But Espn is too weak-kneed anymore in their sports coverage.
Eagles signed Nnamdi and Cullen and suddenly they were the favorites to win the superbowl in Vegas…LOL
ESPN couldn’t wait to jump on that bandwagon.
going to be fun watching them crash and burn
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
i love how espn tries to force feed off tier sports down our thoughts
Like they want to make more money hoping people will want to watch them on espn ocho
Top 10 plays of the week always contains some lame soccer thing, i even saw a lax highlight… like umm what?!
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
I like our team being out of the spotlight though
we have a tendency to believe our own hype. I hope everybody doubts us, especially Tony Dungy
by somebodyquiet on Aug 28, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Good teams just man up. Do you think the 90's Cowboys cared about being in the spotlight ?
If you’re good enough it doesn’t matter. This team was a paper champion at 13-3.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
They won they didn't make excuses.
They didn’t care if the bhullseye was on them. They weren’t weak in the gut like this team.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Little Rough there
dont you think?
Everythings gonna be alright.
Not even close.
This team folded in pressure situations. 13-3 and you can’t win a home playoff game. 44-6 with the playoffs on the line. Loss to Baltimore in the last game of Texas Stadium allowing 2 80+ yard runs. Yep weak in the gut.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Sad but so true mensa
that final game in texas stadium made me so disgusted as a fan. There was no excuse for that ugly performance, none. That team was soft no question.
by DarkKnight88 on Aug 29, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Aikman hated it.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 28, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They're like the Yankees of the NFL
They get lots of coverage because they have a huge fan base, but they also have an even bigger hater base. Covering and bashing the Cowboys and Yankees is good for ratings.
Did we not suck last year?
It’s only bashing if it’s not true.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
What good things?
He’s a promoted interim coach that will be trying to survive his GM purging the books. Thus far, he has accomplished absolutely nothing. He’s a rookie Head Coach.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
If the GM is purging the books why is Newman still here?
He makes more than Gurode did.
Cuz we sucked last year and will suck again this year.
What’s to cover?
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
cool...i'm glad you have our season all planned out for us baked.
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions
The OL has NOT been clearly better than last year, despite the hype. Free has looked good, Smith has looked good, Kosier has been decent. Other 2 spots have been guys getting pushed back and pushed around.
Defense is still awful, which is to be expected since zero effort was made to improve it.
Special teams still can’t cover kicks or make a FG.
Running game still can’t push it in on short yardage.
What’s different?
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions
baked can you please go away with this?
I watch for myself the line has improve ,Jg doing the right thing and allowing the young guys to play..
Yea its hard to believe, Dallas finally got an oline.
by lostar2009 on Aug 29, 2011 6:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if nothing else
your entertaining. because you are nothing else,
KD drummond did play by plays with pictures, that line that is getting pushed around was opening holes big enough for my car,
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Why the insults?
I had respect for you, so I’m disappointed that you are this way.
I read all of KD’s write ups. Let’s see, he said the starting OL in the Chargers game looked great. Awesome news! Who was the starting Center for that game?
He said Arkin was having growing pains. He has already been moved behind Nagy by the coaching staff, so sorry if that doesn’t inspire confidence.
He wrote up Nagy’s play by play, and in my opinion, graded favorably. Even with that, Nagy had 6 of 20 negative plays by his count. That’s 30%. Again, not exactly boosting my confidence.
Yes, they opened one huge hole. Gurode was in for that play. Kosier, the 2 TEs, and the FB seal the LDE and LBs and DBs on the left, while Free, Gurode, and Nagy seal the other 2 DL. Smith swallows a DB. Great play design and execution. I’m not real sure what that one play has to do with what I’m saying, because it’s not like Nagy dominated a guy one on one in it.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Gentlemen
keep it civil. Disputes such as these are best defused with a timely piece of humor. As a German, humor is not something I was born with, but here goes anyway
“Ahem, … Waiter, there is a fly in my soup…”
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 29, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Umm Nagy and Arkin look pretty good to me.
So did Costa according to all the reports.
Residing on the BEast coast.
Rolando McClain and Houston look great too
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
he didnt hesitate either, he just took off!
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Takes time for oline cohesion
I like that Garrett wants to kickstart that with young guys now
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
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by Kegbearer on Aug 28, 2011 8:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think he is simply playing the hand he is dealt.
He has to make the best team out of what Jerry leaves him. Jerry cuts the trees, Garrett sweeps the leaves.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You think Jerry wanted to cut Gurode?
Everything about this youth movement on the o-line goes against everything jerry has done in the past. I thought, but know firmly believe, that Garrett was given the keys and he is clearly in control.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
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I like this part.
They are getting the experience now, which means they will be vets next year.
Cowboys have two things going for them no matter what -
Garrett and Romo.
Best Coach-QB combo in the NFC East.
I know Eagles fans and Giants fans will argue that point, but going forward Coughlin and Reid will be fired before Garrett and quite frankly Romo would be taken over Vick and Manning by most offensive coordinators.
In my humble (and correct) opinion.
I'd agree with that
I think Vick’s better than Romo but Reid couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag. Eli blows and Coughlin is another guy who should lose his job here within the next two seasons. I hope the Giants do just well enough for Coughlin to keep his job for another two or three seasons, that SB win earned him far more paychecks than he deserved.
Really?
Yeah, it’s hard to imagine Vick improves on arguably being the MVP despite playing only 12 games…however he can still be a good QB and better than Romo.
Really? You like Reid? You ever notice how the team seems to ALWAYS underperform their talent level, or always end up screwing the pooch in the 4th quarter? Reid’s clock management is one of the worst in the league. He’s good with QBs, but I think Garrett can easily end up being the better coach.
DC's have Vick's number, wait and see.
Reid has done it in the NFL , Garrret still has to prove himself.
Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Aug 28, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What has Reid accomplished?
He’s clearly had the better team in several NFC Championship games and managed to lose. He’s blown countless games in the last two minutes due to poor clock management and it’s not like he’s ever had a lack of talent on his teams. Mike Vick is a good QB, probably better than Romo. He’s easily a much more dynamic threat and he’s got a much stronger arm. The Cowboys may be able to take him, but that doesn’t make him a bad QB.
You've provided zero evidence for both of those claims
Sure Andy got to several NFC Championships, but he’s always had one of the two or three best teams in the NFC, he should get to those games. There’s been plenty of occasions where he was gifted a win in the Conference round to get to the NFC Chip, and he always seems to piss the NFC Championship down his league despite, many times, having the better team.
The evidence is his record, he's not a great HC,
but he’s a good HC. If he wins a SB or 2, then he’s a great HC
Lock n Load
Y'know there's more to the HC to winning games, right
Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl…I think that says it all right there. Reid’s always had pretty good teams on the field, there’s been a few years where he’s had the best team in the league, and then he ends up letting playoff victories slip right out of his hands. Any coach given the Eagles that Reid’s had over the past decade would do pretty well, the fact that he has a good record really says nothing about his skills as a coach. If Andy Reid were a good coach the Eagles would have a lot more than one Super Bowl trip over the past ten years.
Really!
Tell that to all the ex HC. If you think Reid’s not a good HC, then you don’t know much about HCs. I’m saying good, not great.
Lock n Load
He's better than a lot of the godawful head coaches
A good coach can get the best team in the NFC to the Super Bowl more than one out of five tries. A good coach doesn’t let games get away from him in the last two minutes, a good coach has his quarterback ready to play in the Super Bowl. Andy Reid really hasn’t done either of these things. He did great work with Mike Vick, but that’s about it. I think Gruden could have done better with those Eagles teams, Mike Tomlin would have been worlds better, I’d say Shanahan could have too, and there’s plenty of others that would have been upgrades too. Andy Reid is basically Norv Turner with a better reputation.
Reid
Gets props for longevity in the maniacal NFC Beast but he aint won squat.
Everythings gonna be alright.
Some fun at Reid's expense:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/11/the-andy-reid-school-of-clock-management.html
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6928140/
http://articles.philly.com/2010-09-17/sports/24978346_1_timeouts-football-clock-management-andy-reid
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/blogs/birds-nest/Andy-Reid-Time-Management-Redskins-104253654.html
Need any more examples of Reid’s craptastic coaching?
moral of the story is...
Andy Reid is a good coach, his longevity and record simply prove it. He’s got the track record. And the great thing about Philly is, they are okay with being Good, not GREAT (i.e all their Super Bowl rings tehehe)… and that’s why he has kept his job so long.
by soul.rebel138 on Aug 28, 2011 10:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh please...
He’s stuck around for a while, that’s it, that’s your only argument? I mean the teams that he’s had have been pretty good, so naturally he’ll win quite a few games just by simply having a good team that he happens to be the head of. His record is more of a reflection than the teams that he had on the field, not his coaching abilities. There’s a few things that a coach needs to do:
Make the right Xs an Os called on the field, which he clearly does not do. He’s widely regarded as the worst clock manager in the business
Make sure his team’s ready to prepare during the big games: I don’t think he’s done that either. He’s had several games where he was a superior team than the team on the opposite sidelines, plenty of big games where this has happened and he came up short.
Actually coach his players: This is the only defense that Reid has, he’s good with Quarterbacks, his work with Mike Vick has been pretty damn good. Other than that, it doesn’t seem like he accomplishes what a head coach should accomplish.
by Omar Little on Aug 28, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
tomlin is riding lebeau coattails right now....
once that man decides to leave its going to be an end of an era in Pittsburgh
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly there Wolf.
How many picks this year for Vick so far? The Coffee has finished a’brewin and the alarm clock is goin off! The best that Vick can hope for is that his season ending injury will happen sooner than later. And no, I am definitely not wishing one on him, I wouldnot wish one on anybody, wellll..except….. maybe.., NAW, not even that guy. But Methinks he almost certainly go down hard, it is just his style. That way he will not have to think up even more excuses for his poor numbers.
My thoughts on this
One, I’m glad that Jason Garrett is getting more control over the team. Jerry’s getting old, and it seems that he’s at least preparing the team for when he’s no longer able to run it like he used to. Jason Garrett’s a Princeton grad and by all accounts one of the smartest men in the game. Being Princeton educated he seems willing to listen and even embrace outside views if there’s anything to them. It looks like he picked the right guy to hand the team off too.
Two, I like the direction that Garrett has. After having a bunch of overpaid mediocre vets, and paying guys that had one good year the same rate that the top guys get paid at their position get paid I’m glad Garrett’s cutting the deadweight. That being said, I still question a few of the moves he made. Three new starters on the OL? That doesn’t seem like a very good idea, I’m all for integrating new young talent on the OL, but this seems like a bit of overkill. The OL works as a group and a group with three new starters is bound to have its fare share of hiccups. I think that they need to keep Gurode at least for this year, and phase him out if they’d like to replace him. Not just cut him and throw the young guys to the wolves. This OL is already low on depth if someone gets hurt, and losing a guy like Gurode isn’t going to help in that department either.
If it’s a business decision, I must say that I question the business minds that make this decision. Unless they are convinced that Gurode will fall off a cliff this year a la Mark Colombo, they really should keep him. I find it hard to believe that Kowalski or Cost will be instant upgrades over him, and not only that he provides much needed depth. Playing the OL takes a lot out of a man, and it’s best to keep these guys fresh so Romo and Felix can do their jobs. Gurode’s a pretty good bet to do that, again provided some Mark Colombo like crash. Besides, do they really need cap space? Nmandi already signed elsewhere, and I think they’re going to be fine this year as far as money goes. As far as business decisions go, why cut the overpaid guy that at least contributes? Brooking’s absolutely cooked yet he still has a job, why not cut him to save money instead? Yeah, he’s a firey guy, blah blah blah. I really think Garrett and Rob will provide all the fire and passion that this team will need.
Just my thoughts.
One thing I would say.
We don’t know what the coaches really see. There were some comments by Jerry last night that Gurode was not a good fit for the offense JG wants to run. I think that was a big part of what set all this up.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Yeah...I agree with you there
They have more information than we do, I still can’t imagine that Gurode is a bad fit for any offense and worth just cutting all together. If they don’t think he’s worth the money, I agree…but sometimes you end up overpaying on the margins to get a better end product. In this case I would advocate overpaying on the margins. OL depth is a serious issue, and there isn’t a whole lot you can do. Costa is still nursing an injury and I have a hard time believing he can step in right after being injured or a UDFA can just step in for a Pro Bowl center.
You are assuming Gurode is better that Costa
I would say that Costa has looked better than a Gurode with a bad knee
YES!
Theres no doubt that Gurode is a special player. He’s had a great career and should be respected. But you have to look at the game of football and ask if this guy is giving you what he did 2 years ago.
by Final Frame on Aug 28, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right about that
I’m not saying Gurode is better than Costa, just that it the only way that htis is a good move is if Gurode is facing a Colombo like cliff. If he is, then absolutely, get him off the team. However, I still think he has a bit left in the tank. I could be wrong, though.
by Omar Little on Aug 28, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
he waited until late to get the surgery he needed keeping him from practicing in almost all of training camp
add in his salary, his age, the kind of offense that JG intends on running, and his lack of work with the new players on the oline. At this point Costa is ahead of Gurode on all fronts and the sooner that this line starts playing together the sooner that they will start PLAYING together.
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 29, 2011 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Ooooakland Tywan Jones
Jones looks fantastic. A freak.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
Oakland fans are actually really cool
I attend a game a year and last year brought my daughter. Great for tailgating! I wouldn’t recommend going to a Raider Game at the Colisseum and talking a gang of smack. Always a fun costume party, but wise to avoid swerving drunks that appear about the late 3rd Quarter.
The Red Headed RumbleFish Runnin Things
Agreed stingah
the raider fans i’ve tailgated with are cool as hell and real down to earth, there’s no bandwagon with that team but they do get a bad rep cause of a few idiots who act like knuckleheads.
by DarkKnight88 on Aug 29, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
There must be a trade in the works
if it was a take it or leave situation we would have heard something by now
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I hope so.
Don’t want this to be just wistful thinking.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
I think it's a keep or cut
Gurode wouldn’t submit to a trade if it involved him taking lower pay. He’d demand to be cut and find his own home in free agency.
This is Jerry playing chicken with Gurode over his gigantic $12 million 2 year contract.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Think about it this way
If a team is willing to pay $2 million and a 5th round pick for Gurode in a trade, wouldn’t they be willing to pay $2.01 million and no draft pick for Gurode in free agency?
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly you didn't understand
From Andre Gurode’s point of view, if he accepts a lower salary he gets nothing. Jerry Jones gets a 5th round pick but Andre Gurode doesn’t own an NFL team, he gets nothing.
However, if he refuses the trade and demands Dallas cut him, it would be easy to get the same offer out of a team + $10,000. And if he can get an extra 10k, why not 100k? 100k is peanuts to an NFL team but it means a lot to an individual. And if he can get 100k, why not 500k? Don’t you think a team that’s willing to throw away a draft pick and go through all the effort to orchestrate a trade with Dallas might be willing to give up $500,000 to a player if he was just a free agent?
Now say more than 1 team is interested in Andre Gurode as a free agent. Hell, that could add a million or a couple million to his asking price.
So why would he ever agree to be traded? Worst case scenario he gets to pick for himself the city he wants to play in and gets paid more. Best case scenario he ends up with $1,000,000+ more in contract than Jerry is demanding in this theoretical trade.
So from Gurode’s point of view, he should never accept a pay cut to be traded. The only reason he would accept a pay cut is because he’s afraid of getting cut from a team and being left like Leonard Davis. This is why I believe there is no trade in the works – it is Jerry demanding a pay cut from Gurode to make the 53.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
not if there is another team out that wants him too
You give up a 5th to make sure he comes to you
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
no one is trading for an old center with a bad knee.
If Gurode does take a cut, his career is in serious jeopardy
Agree
Plus they know were going to cut him, why trade anything for him? Hopefully Costa can get it done…sign a vet LG and I will be happy, hopefully we get Waters..not sold on Nagy or Arkin yet..Next year for sure
Why ar people sold on Waters?
He seems to be in the same boat as the guys we cut. If its a “mentoring” thing then we need to get over that automatic feeling that having an older guy on the roster imparts something on the others. I think its been prove the last few years that it doesn’t happen that way. Guys who want to help out will do so just check out Smith and Ware.
by Final Frame on Aug 29, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on Waters
It doesn’t make sense when looking at the moves that have been made.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
i hope it works...
cuz we got pass rushers galore in this division. if it doesn’t, romo’s gonna get killed.
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by Tuna Helper on Aug 28, 2011 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Would like to know what Gurodes is on the books for this season.
Maybe Jerry is looking for a trade partner or deciding if they should cut him. It all depends on what the savings would be and if these young guys like Costa are ready to start.
$5.5 this year, $6.5 next, free agent in 2013
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 28, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Good move on Gurode
It was apparent to, atleast the San Diego coaches, that Gurode is done (according to a couple of reports). He no longer bends his knees, he is just playing with his upper body, grabbing. It looks to me like Costa beat him out for the starting job and Gurode just can’t do it any more. Maybe keep him as an experienced back up. That’s where the cut in pay may be coming from. The reason it may have taken so long is that he hasn’t be to practice until recently. May be now they are seeing that he can’t go any more. Refreshing to see them address the situation instead of trying to sugar coat it and put on bandaids.
Heard on GAC and some where else i can't recall
That during the scrimmage the Charger’s players and coaches were saying the same thing. Time to cut bait.
Gurode was a good not a great center...
just too bad he couldnt play Guard again. Sounds like he is done and they are ready to cut him very soon. That being said I like the youth movement on this line.
Broaddus knows his stuff man
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 28, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously
That’s why he’s still employed as a personnel man.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he was not being cut or traded why would he have to sit out?
I doubt that is the case if he was being benched, there’s a reason he was not dressed, he was supposed to start. If they don’t cut him then he gets traded and has to agree to it before. I’m not sure why he would have to be a scratch to get this sorted out, doesn’t make sense, unless they needed to start someone else. Maybe Kowalski would have to be scratched?
It just sounds to me like a trade he has to agree to… he could have started if it was contract negotiation. I agree that he is not needed with Kowalski, Nagy, Costa. Maybe Kowalski is worth keeping and they don’t have a roster spot for him. Maybe he backs up Costa.
Either way it sounds to me like the $ is either a cover-up but most likely it is both… he’s not worth the money and they need his roster spot for someone else. Surprising but with the amount of focus on evaluations and coaching this year we should not expect any veterans to have their positions handed to them.
by scraig on Aug 28, 2011 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
It's hilarious that people still think Garrett has anything to do with personnel decisions
Obviously this is all our faux GM’s doing. Garrett is yet another in a line of puppet coaches.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 12:49 AM CDT reply actions
...which is why Jerry is cutting his pet cats?
Like Roy Williams, Marion Barber, and Leondard Davis? Those are three names with Jerry and only Jerry’s signature on the contract. I don’t exactly think Wade Phillips was strong-arming Jerry into making those moves.
And yet, here we are and the Cowboys are completely switching course.
But that has nothing to do with Garrett…. yeah, I’m sure.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Those guys were expensive.
And we are in Salary Cap Hell. Not just this year, but in future years. Every move being made is in the interest of dumping salary. What course have they switched to? Offense is still the same. Defense has not changed. Special teams are still absolutely awful. Why would you think Garrett has any more say than any of the coaches before him?
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
is it against the blog rules to say
your an idiot. Your arguments make no sense at all,
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2011 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Only an idiot can't understand.
Does it have to be this childish and insulting?
I’ll try to explain more clearly. Our team has 20 million plus in dead money next year, and had to cut several players and restructure contracts to even get under the cap this year. Why did he cut players that the above poster claims were favorites of his? Because that was what had to be done to get under the salary cap.
The poster says the Cowboys have completely switched course. My contention is that other than dumping salary, it is essentially the same offensive team and same offensive scheme as last year. The defensive scheme has changed, but the unit lacks talent and no upgrades were made. Therefore, they have continued to struggle in preseason thus far. Special teams also continue to struggle. We are still allowing big returns in the kicking game, and have yet to find a trustworthy PK.
Garrett is a rookie Head Coach. Why would a notoriously megalomaniacal and egocentric owner suddenly cede power to this guy, when he has made it clear that he retained all power even over a guy like Bill Parcells? I think that taking anything Jerry says at his word is extremely naive for any long time Cowboys fan.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha
B.P.S I gotta admit u got spunk ole man, spunk is that even a word lol?
by DarkKnight88 on Aug 29, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Valid point about the defense.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Aug 29, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
for the record
count me all in for adding youth to the O-Line and adding mobility / versatility / savy etc so I applaud the youth movement that we `ve been crying for a few yrs and did n`t get (thanks Jerry…sarcasm). This young group is about to get thrown into the fire come week 1 and don `t expect any mercy from Rex. The starting line could be Free – no concerns, Nagy a 7th rd`er on no team`s draft board that was a backup in College, Kowalski undrafted and considered a long shot to make the squad before the vikes game, Kosier- no concerns, Tyron who looks great but we should expect a hiccup or 2 along the way.
The OL youth movement sounds awesome...
until one of these guys gets the franchise maimed, then the second guessing begins.
I hope it works out but if Romo’s running for his life, (more than usual), who gets to be the scapegoat; because JJ, the fans, or the media will be looking for one if we have a losing season or three.
It’s possible, maybe likely, that by the time this OL iteration becomes seasoned enough to help contend, Romo will be beyond his window or long gone.
Something to consider: how many SB’s have been won by a young line vs. old line, or what’s the median age? Just curious, considering Romo’s age.
The OL was a turnstile last year. Even with going to 3 step drops we still ended up with Romo and Kitna both on IR.
I won’t say it can’t get worse, because it obviously could. But it was bad, at least this way the young guys will be able to form a unit together. And not keep replacing 1 piece at a time with no teamwork and unity built up.
a rookie got romo planted last year
Gronk.
Having three inexperienced guys- Costa played ONE REAL GAME- in the O line at the same time.
You guys slobbering all over these kids live in La La land.
And by the way just because Red Ball says this is what he wants does not make it a good decision.
Everyone makes mistakes.
by burmafrd1944 on Aug 29, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
One man's slobber is another man's enthusiasm
Having three old guys who can’t play well is better how? The guy who planted Romo came up through Gurode’s gap. Other teams repeatedly owned Davis and Colombo to pound Kitna.
it’s only a mistake if it doesn’t work. And that’s yet to be seen.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Aug 29, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yup
Easier to blame Gronk for going out into the pattern (and was already outside of Free’s left shoulder when Boley came through) than blame Holland and Gurode that let the delayed blitzer through while doubling Canty.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Aug 29, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Well lets be honest
Our FB’s have never been that impressive since THE MOOSE. We’ve had oline problems for the last couple of years. It just so happens we were scoring enough to make up for those problems (even when the defense was playing well). God I hated all the false starts on the line (FLO). If they vets are making the same mistakes as rookies we might as well go with rookies.
by Final Frame on Aug 29, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Youth Movement - O Line
Impossible to know , but I wonder if Garrett consulted Jimmy Johnson before letting Gurode go? And IMO, if there is a
“Cowboy Way” it is Jimmy’s Way. Garrett has admitted that JJ is a big influence and as great as Landry was, he was too long ago to impact Garrett.
The game's evolved since Landry
Who knows what new O and D twists TL would be running to capitalize on today’s more liberal rules if he were coming up in the coaching ranks now?
Landry was a real football genius, not just a genius who happens to be a football coach. No dig on Garrett; he just has a lot to prove and won’t be given the amount of time Landry had to succeed. Patience isn’t a Jones virtue, unless it applies to GM’s, apparently.




























