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Dallas Cowboys News: Backlash On Andre Gurode Release

Cowboys' Andre Gurode Deserved Better | Clarence Hill Ft. Worth Star Telegram | August 29th, 2011

Clarence makes the excellent point that while the move makes sense 'on the field' for the Cowboys to move on from Gurode, the team might have been able to handle the process with a little more compassion for the player. Hill also cites the contrast of a player like Jay Ratliff, who is probably seeing the prime years of his career be played while being under paid.

Consider that Ratliff is due to make $3.75 million and $4.8 million in base salaries in 2011 and 2012. Cornerback Orlando Scandrick who has yet to crack the starting lineup let alone be named to the Pro Bowl team will get $10 million in guaranteed money during that time.

Cowboys Corner: Cowboys believe in Phil Costa | Charean Williams Ft. Worth Star Telegram | August 29th, 2011

The man that will replace Andre Gurode as the Dallas Cowboys starting center, took every advantage of the opportunity presented him as an injury fill-in. The team seems to believe that his PCL sprain will not keep him out of the September 11th opener.

Houck had more changeover in 2004 | Todd Archer - ESPN | August 29th, 2011

For all of those that are concerned about the amount of changeover on the offensive line in such a short period of time, here's a nugget that might help you relax a little.

Go back to 2004 with San Diego.

In 2003 Houck started (from left to right) Damion McIntosh, Kelvin Garmon, Jason Ball/Cory Raymer, Phil Bogle/Solomon Page and Courtney Van Buren. The Chargers went 4-12.

In 2004 he broke in five new guys, including two rookies and two veteran free agent signings. From left to right the Chargers started Roman Oben, Toniu Fonoti, Nick Hardwick, Mike Goff and Shane Olivea and San Diego went 12-4. Hardwick and Olivea were rookies that year.

Take that, JimmyK. :)

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Rob Ryan not worried about Defense | Todd Archer ESPN | August 29th, 2011

"We may not be the '85 Bears or Baltimore Ravens, or last year's preseason defense, all the great ones, but we're perfect," the Cowboys’ coordinator said. "We're where we want to be, we're doing fine, we're improving every week, communication's coming along, the players are getting healthy and we're going to be great."

We love this guy at the moment, but without results like what his brother Rob has done in New York, these fits of bravado will wear thin rather quickly.

Ware: Defensive Communication Was Better Saturday Night | Scott Crisp - NBC DFW | August 29th, 2011

"It wasn't as loud because the coach and team were a little bit quieter for the offense, but it was a lot better communication," Ware said, per the Dallas Morning News. "The guys were getting all of their reps in and played a little bit better."

The Cowboys’ defense remains a work in progress--we know that, because we’ve heard it throughout the preseason, from Rob Ryan, Jason Garrett, et al. On Saturday, this was reflected as the team allowed 442 total yards, 175 of which came on the ground. Ware remains confident, though, that the unit will be ready for the regular season opener, in New York on September 11.

Cowboys See Bryant As Star In The Making | Michael Silver Yahoo! Sports | August 29th, 2011

In advance of what many see as a breakout season for the Cowboys wideout, one of my favorite scribes recounts the build up to opening day for the star receiver in a lengthy write-up.

David Buehler returns to practice; Cowboys to add Dave Rayner | Dallas Morning News | August 29th, 2011

The Cowboys continue their search for an opening day kicker, bringing in Rayner who was recently cut loose by the Detroit Lions. This will be realistic candidate #5 if you are keeping score. Rookie kicker Dan Bailey went 2 for 2 against Minnesota, Shayne Graham had one FG and one XP. Kai Forbath have yet to attempt field goals for the club as Buehler has missed the last two games with a hip pointer.

DE Igor Olshansky understands he could be the next Cowboys "business decision" | Clarence Hill - Ft. Worth Star Telegram | August 29th, 2011

Well, duh.

Jerry Jones Doesn't "Get Into Tattoos and Things Like That" | Scott Crisp - NBCDFW | August 29th, 2011

While I pseudo understand the position of Panthers owner Jerry Richardson in his stance against piercings and tattoos for the face of his franchise, I'm glad Jerry Jones doesn't suffer from such prejudgement phobias. The Panthers have to worry about every aspect of marketing, while the Cowboys brand seems to market itself, so the two worlds are different. I'm still happy Jones has better things to worry about.

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-- ESPN's Bryan Broaddus Cowboys @ Vikings Game Review

-- Punter Mat McBriar (groin), inside linebacker Bradie James and OG Kyle Kosier all missed this morning's practice with injuries | ESPN

-- Martellus Bennett has a high ankle sprain and will be out for 2-4 weeks | National Football Post

-- Former wideout Terry Glenn runs afoul of the law again | CBSSports.com

-- Miami Dolphins - Dallas Cowboys game blacked out live (in South Florida) | South Florida Sun-Sentinel

-- Be prepared to face the Michael Vick experience twice a year for the majority of the decade. That is if he ever plays all 16 games in a single season. | San Antonio Express

-- Gurode wasn't the only player in camp that was shown the door on Monday. WR Curtis Clay from TCU was also released. | DMN

-- Undrafted rookie Kevin Kowalski, the new number 2 on the center depth chart, acquitted himself rather well in the eyes of Jerry Jones and Tony Romo. | NBCDFW

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ESPN chicago analyst were salivating over Gurode like he was a 357LB slice of bacon.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 29, 2011 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Expected

I mean, a lot of us were drooling over Huff.

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by Dub_TC on Aug 29, 2011 10:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes; Gurode Had Problems

. . . with snapping the ball. Worst of all was that he could not counted on to “pull the trigger” upon demand. Beyond the obvious miscues, this habit of not being able to deliver the ball crisply upon demand took a toll on Romo. Romo has developed the habit with Gurode of having to take his eyes off of the defense at the moment he calls for the ball so Romo can observe Gurode’s snap. Also, if you go back and review the Giants playoff loss game, you will see Romo having to actually jump at the snap, so as to ready to move in whatever direction to grab the ball . . . Gurode was the worst player on the field that day. I am so frigging glad he is gone, I can’t tell you how happy I am. Good grief, his number one assignment is to deliver the ball timely, consistently, and accurately. None of these could he be counted on to do – a great improvement is underway in Dallas and Gurode is the lynchpin to this revamping. Should have been done two years ago.

by Iowacowboy on Aug 30, 2011 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh boy

talk about exageration. But lets focus on the shotgun snap. Yes he did have trouble in 2007. How often since? Silence.

By the way it is standard procedure for the QB to look at the ball as it comes to his hands.

You did not realize that?

Just like a WR looking the ball into his hands.

Pretty sad

by burmafrd1944 on Aug 30, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's pretty early in the day for all that venom and sarcasm

Ever try just disagreeing with someone, making a point and moving on? You know, avoiding the gratuitous personal insult?

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's never too early in the day for all that venom and sarcasm...

Just like it’s never too late to offer an EXTREMELY inconsistent QB in his early 30’s a six year contract. (stated with venom and sarcasm) “grrrrr”.

I kid, dunk, I kid…. about the first part, the second part I really did want to say with venom and sarcasm. The only thing I guess I was missing was a personal attack…..um………… “Andy Reid is Fat”. aaaahhhhh…. there we go!

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 30, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Just not what his contract called for this year

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't his contract

he couldn’t even come close to making the blocks Red wanted him to make, only gave him a couple during the pre season but he just couldn’t get to where he needed to be at,

Arkin had a simular problem, couldn’t pull and block (fixable)

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just agreeing that he has value, not that he hasn't dropped off

And I’m not even saying he would have been a good fit if he had stayed in Dallas. No matter where he ends up, he isn’t worth the amount of money his contract called for this year.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the bottom line

Whether it’s risky or not, Gurode wasn’t earning his paycheck any more. We listen to media and fans whine unceasingly about Jerry playing underperformers but when he dumps one, the world is on the brink of ending.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1000

Well said. Hammer, meet head of Nail!!

 I like and respect Gurode, but Jerry gave him too much money, and yes to Music, He can still snap and block, he just can’t pull and block the way Red needs him to.

 JMHO, and as always, YMMV.

 Willy

by Willy H on Aug 30, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same with MB3

they love him here in Chicago, and i keep hearing how we should not have let him go, then i ask, is he worth $4.5M…….well of course not, and there is your answer.

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by BigBad Joe on Aug 30, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

But let's be honest.

It’s tough NOT to love MB3 so I get it. He’s a fans delight. (except when he’s trying to bounce it outside for the “big one”….ugh)

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 30, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

mmmmmm.........bacon (homer simpson voice)

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Aug 30, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I hear one more time how this was a bad move because "he was in the Pro Bowl last year"

I’m going to scream.

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 29, 2011 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   3 recs

I think

This was a bad move. I mean, he WAS in the pro bowl last year.

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by Dub_TC on Aug 29, 2011 10:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

/headexplodes

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 29, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here lies Brandon Worley

Killed because he was elected to the pro bowl and then cut by his team.

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by Jessy S on Aug 29, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Stop!

You are making my sides hurt.

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by Tom Ryle on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

This site is great

Funny, respectful, knowledgable.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Aug 30, 2011 12:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ain't that the truth!!

I’m still pretty new here, and I love me some BTB!!!!!!!!!

GOOOOOOO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!! (I Hope)

by Willy H on Aug 30, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know, I really liked Brandon

I think he was Navy guy, which isn’t always a good thing, but he seemed to have overcome that. I’m going to miss him….

Soooo, what about that Vick contract????

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else find it HILARIOUS (maybe disturbing)

That Brandon did not reply to this post after his head exploded? Shouldn’t maybe someone call for help or somethi…. “oh look a puppy!”

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 30, 2011 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, last time I checked...

once your head explodes, there ain’t much the paramedics can do fer ya. Whose contacting the next of….whoops, waffles up.

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by White Wolf on Aug 30, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

this thread.....

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 30, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, head exploding here too

If Gurode played golf, it is called the “yips.”

by Iowacowboy on Aug 30, 2011 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man's head has EXPLODED here. Is this really the time Wolf?

Give it till at least after the next set of cuts this afternoon at 4. Please have some decency man. Don’t take away from the hype of which of our eleven kickers we’ll be releasing in a couple of hours.

Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.

by Feeling Blue & Silver on Aug 30, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think

I want his screen or keyboard if he was sitting in front of them when his head went off. A lot of splatter to clean :(

by Willy H on Aug 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

We are only releasing 11?

Man, I was hoping for at least 15 to be cut.

by Rena on Aug 30, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder....

did anyone say “but Roy Williams was in the pro bowl last year” the year we cut him? REPUTATION is how he got there…that is how Gurode made it last year too.

by BlueStarTat on Aug 29, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I smell conspiracy

. . . the league voted for Gurode to keep him making those crappy snaps to Romo. (sarcasm button only partially pushed down)

by Iowacowboy on Aug 30, 2011 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

RIP

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Aug 30, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

pro bowls are a joke & hardly worth watching.

but i can’t see how this OL will be better without Gurode. looking good in preseason is a lot different then the regular season or playoffs.
 Gurodes experience will be missed

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!

by DCNation73 on Aug 30, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

+100

that part of the article was BS. Poor Jay Ratliff, making “only” 10 Mill the next couple of years.
Class warfare, making the owners the bad guys.

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by Realist Larry on Aug 29, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Class warfare???

The author made a completely valid point. NFL teams cut players on contract all the time. Yet, if a player holds out to renogotiate a contract that player is villified. Its not class warfare to point that out. Somehow in America there is this idea that the richest people at the table are always in the right. There is no right or wrong actually. Its a contract, and contracts can be broken. Owners do it, so why shouldn’t players do it as well.

Finally, the idea that you can mock Rat’s salary because he makes more than you is silly. That actually seems like class warfare. What, he can’t seek more money because he is richer than you?

by RisingSunCowboy on Aug 30, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken

IMO, biggest issue w/ NFL:
If a player underperforms contract or blows out a knee, cutting him is a buisiness decision

But if a player outperforms his contract, wanting a new deal is considered greedy.

Its hard to defend the philosophy of, “You signed a contract, you need to honor it” when that philosophy only applies to the player, but not the team.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Aug 30, 2011 12:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That is why the players have fought for and gotten more freedom in free agency.

The situation may not be perfect, but it has improved the ability of players to be rewarded for their performance.

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by Tom Ryle on Aug 30, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't think you can claim "class warfare" when you're dealing with billionaires....

If people are p!$$ed off you’re rich, uh, so what. you’re rich. comes with the territory. there is no right to have people lavish you with praise because you make a lotta money. I don’t begrudge jerry for making his money just like i don’t begrude players for asking for money. regardless, the fact is ratliff is underpaid. but then again so is d ware. and witten. really no price you can put on what they bring to the table.

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by Tuna Helper on Aug 30, 2011 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It also comes down to how the athletes see it

I haven’t heard any complaints from Ratliff, Ware, or Witten so for now they have to be content until their time comes again. Good organizations will keep an atmosphere players want to be in where some will have players speak out more.

by Final Frame on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

true

and we ALWAYS pay our good players. we don’t have a good reputation for a lot of stuff. but paying players isn’t one of em. we take care of our own. we cut barber, davis and colombo but we also gave them big fat contracts. gurode too.

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is because Jay, DeMarcus, & Jason are class acts

I also believe 90,94,82 know their time will come. Jerry knows he has to with this set of triplets.

by meisternance on Aug 30, 2011 6:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

and why you need to look at the guaranteed money

when looking at a contract, that is the only number that can be counted on to be pd to the player……

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by BigBad Joe on Aug 30, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

For bringing that up. I am not arguing for either side, but Gauranteed money is just that, gauranteed. And that should be the number that is spoken about more in almost all salary discussions.

by Willy H on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

How doesn't it apply to the team?

You think Vernon Gholston didn’t get his weekly checks on time, even when he didn’t deserve even a fraction of it? How about JaMarcus Russell?

No one has a gun held to his head…everyone involved is an adult…if you think the contract is unfair, don’t sign it…

Scandrick said it best…he knew he could get more money if he went to free agency at the end of this season, but he got what he needed, and he’s already acknowledged the Cowboys probably got a steal of a contract…The reason Ratliff isn’t complaining was that he feels the same way…he knew the pros and cons going in…

by CaliFanInTx on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the Raiders cut JaMarcus when they felt he was a lost cause

Prior to that, they were holding out hope (right or wrong). But when they decided he was not worth it, they cut him.

A contract can be fine when it is signed and then things can change that make that contract not appropriate (at least in the eyes of one of the parties). All I am saying is the owners get to redo contracts or not honor them, then players should have the same right.

There is also the idea of a “contract of adhesion”, especially in the context of players coming right out of school. Sure, they can refuse to sign a contract. But then what? Not much leverage on their side – the team owns their rights so its either sign the contract offered or don’t play.

by RisingSunCowboy on Aug 30, 2011 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Before JaMarcus was cut...he got all of the guaranteed portion of his contract...every penny.

The Raiders fulfilled their end of the contract.

Michael Vick just got a $100mil contract that has $40mil guaranteed…the terms are clear…he will get $40mil even if he blows out his knee in his next snap. If he wants the entire $100mil guaranteed, then that’s what he should hold out for…all parties know going in what the contract is…if you are arguing about the fairness of the NFL, then that issue has been hashed and rehashed in recent CBA threads. Everyone has a choice…

by CaliFanInTx on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

+ $$$$$

It takes two to make a contract….

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by BigBad Joe on Aug 30, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Well said, that is what I was talking about in my post above.

  Willy

by Willy H on Aug 30, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

the distinction between guaranteed and not guaranteed is not relevant

After the guaranteed portion is paid, the contract is not extinguished. If the team wants the player still, then they expect the player to play out that contract. And if they don’t want the player, they will part ways. Fine. My only point is that, just as the team can abandon the contract, so too should the player be able to. Yet, when a player does that, they are generally villified.

by RisingSunCowboy on Aug 31, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I am not on the players’ side mostly; baseball is so out of control But, the idea the league can cut you and your contract evaporates is foreign to my understanding of basic contract law. I am surprised the union did not address this.

by Iowacowboy on Aug 30, 2011 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

contracts are only partially guaranteed

I think players think of it more in terms of best case/worst case.

Mike Vick signs a 6 year contract for $100 million, $40 million of which is guaranteed

Now I have no idea on the specifics of the contract at all, but I would assume that Mike probably discussed with his agent and came up with a number that he felt he REALLY needed to have to sign that particular contract and called that the worst case scenario. Vick apparently thought that he really needed to have $40 million to sign this contract and have the Eagles control his rights as an NFL player for up to the next 6 years. Anything over $40 million is bonus

by mahuebel on Aug 30, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

people who are mad that players make a lot are a bit envious. They should know that they make more than most people in sub-saharan African. Wealth is relative. NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed, obviously, that’s why you have to pay attention to the guaranteed money in the contract. It’s not like Jerry is throwing them into the street; they get guaranteed money.

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by ScottB1985 on Aug 30, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

oops

I meant they (as in envious fans) should know that they make more than most people in sub-sahara Africa *. Obvious, yes, but just putting into perspective of how wealth is relative.

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by ScottB1985 on Aug 30, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the blog

And here’s your first rec to make you feel comfortable.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 30, 2011 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

+ a rec

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by BigBad Joe on Aug 30, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like it or not football is a money game

The salary caps and roster size make limits on how many people we can keep on the team, and unfortunately doesn’t foster an atmosphere we you keep a declining player through his latter years just because he’s been good for you in the past.
Not sure I completely like it, but that’s the name of the game…

by chrmc on Aug 29, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

It's funny. The team gets criticized for giving players on the downside big contracts

and/or keeping them on too long. Then the team gets criticized for looking at the players more dispassionately and letting them go sooner rather than later. Gurode was given a chance to renegotiate, and he declined. I’d love for every former player to look back on their time in Dallas with fond tears and smiles, but we all know that’s not how it works. I’ll wager Gurode is more aware that this is a tough business than the mediots crying over JJ doing what they’ve whined about him not doing for years.

by Fernie67 on Aug 29, 2011 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Gurode was in decline just like Adams and Colombo

He did not deserve the Pro Bowl last year.

But I don’t think the OL in San Diego was the reason for them going 12-4. Hardwick is the only guy left that I know of, most of the rest washed out soon enough.

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by ct17 on Aug 29, 2011 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't that season

Phillip Rivers’s first as a NFL QB?

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by Jessy S on Aug 29, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

Brees was still the starter. It was Gates’ breakout year. And Wade was the DC.

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by ct17 on Aug 29, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

nor will the OL get the credit should the Cowboys go 12-4

the point made in the article, of which I echo, is that Hudson Houck has already done the reconstruct an O-line with rookie starters on the fly while the team had success overall.

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by KD Drummond on Aug 29, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

kindof odd

with no OTA’s and short pre season, how in the world did they pull this off?

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're reading my mind Norm

From a post I have in the hopper

If the Cowboys succefully pull off this offensive line transition, then we can probably just do away with OTA’s and mini camps. I kid, of course, but the O Line is the one unit that supposedly needs the most amount of gel time, continuity and all. Two rookies, a second year pro with no off season activities?

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by KD Drummond on Aug 29, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were many players that took advantage of the offseason

Many attended Athletes Performance Center, IMG Performance Institute and other training centers around the country while also hiring position coaches for training. There were also many UDFA’s and rookies who took advantage of training at their colleges and getting specialized training from the coaches there to help them prepare. There are may more players these days that spend money out of thier pockets to better train and prepare for football.

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by Birddog26 on Aug 30, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

With the “Big Money” at stake, any potential draft pick who wasnt doing what ever he could to “get his chance” wasnt worth a pick.

by meisternance on Aug 30, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

'Backlash'?

Holy jebus… Rat will be OK financially. Jerry pays people, if he can’t get the benefit of the doubt who can?

MacGruber!

by Mojoness on Aug 29, 2011 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

never understood why jerry gets a bad reputation with players...

you’re right. he ALWAYS pays guys. ALWAYS. probably too much. it’s like he’s trying to make up for the emmitt handout. this is totally out of character for him….

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by Tuna Helper on Aug 30, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's just bad journalism

What Dallas is supposed to keep him for old times’ sake? Give me a break. The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That article by Silvers at yahoo

is a little slanted and it ends with “Dez may have to carry the offense”

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2011 11:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Carry the offense?

Come on.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Aug 30, 2011 12:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, Romo, Witten, and Felix are just worthless, don't you know?

I sometimes wonder what the national writers are looking at.

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by Tom Ryle on Aug 30, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gurode will get a job soon enough.

And then whomever employs him will release him next year. Jerry is VERY fond of the players who bring the Cowboys accolades, so much so that he is blinded to their declines. However things seem to be changing for the better.

I started out with nothing and still have most of it left

by Benthere on Aug 29, 2011 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Yo for real I haven't been so excited and terrified for an upcoming season

Then this year……………

Go Cowboyz!!!!!!
Dez is gonna beast this year!!
Melooooooo!!!!

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by VicTor W on Aug 29, 2011 11:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Pretty much valid feelings man.

Here’s hoping the team gels towards the end of the season!

I started out with nothing and still have most of it left

by Benthere on Aug 30, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

The line moves could be genius or disaster this year. Regardless it will fix our issues in the long run. Just wish there was a transition year

by Dynamicduo on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Cowboys are rebuilding

And that’s OK. This is a 2-3 year process.

Jerry has run this team into the ground with terrible drafts, trades and contracts. Looks like JG has a voice in the room with Jerry. Let’s just hope a 7-9 or 8-8 season this year doesn’t make Jerry revert back to his old ways. Stay the course.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Aug 30, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

ALL THEY NEED IS A DE & CB

The Cowboys are only a top DE and a CB away from the Superbowl

They could have really used Bowers

Maybe Clifton Geathers could be the DE the Cowboys need

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 30, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd bet most of the teams in the NFL feel that way

Pash rushing end and shut down corner are probably the two most important (and certainly highest paid) positions on defense.

I think O-line, inside linebacker, safety and kicker are also areas of concern.

A lot would have to go right to make the playoffs, let alone get to a Super Bowl. I have them with seven to eight wins this year making a bigger step next year.

Stay the course Jerry, stay the course.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ a whole bunch.

That sums up how I feel. I can’t remember a preseason with so much to hope for and so much to fear all rolled up into one silver and blue package.

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by Tom Ryle on Aug 30, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

exactly…

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 30, 2011 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clarence Hill can't have it both ways...

Clarence has railed against the Cowboys for Montrae Holland coming in out of shape and then getting injured and not worth the money and then complain about how the Cowboys treated Andre Gurode. Andre had some good years here and was paid well. He came in out of shape and his skills had clearly diminished. If Montrae needs to go, then Clarence should be on board with this. Everyone was on notice when JG took over. Andre and Montrae didn’t get the hint and Andre is gone. Montrae is next.

Quick straddling the fence Clarence and then jump on the side you want when it suits you. Pick a side and defend it.

by calmyron on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 AM CDT reply actions  

thats actually a good point

he bashed the Cowboys and Lumpy for being overweight and out of shape, but I never saw an article where he bashed Gurode for gaining 20 pounds

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 30, 2011 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice points

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention his waiting to have surgery so late in the preseason calendar

What was up with that?

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With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Aug 30, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was injured during one of the workouts

And he hoped that it would heal without surgery. Which is fairly common. Add to that he could not contact the team doctors.

Blaming Gurode for that is pathetic.

by burmafrd1944 on Aug 30, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

peyton had surgery without team doctor

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by thebigham on Aug 30, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alright

Making excuses for him is more pathetic.

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With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Aug 30, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Yugglies on the OL don't bother me

Per se. But we got a smallish, risk taking qb coming off an injury and a smallish, injury-risk rb who will now carry the load.

Don’t get me wrong, I like them both and think our combo of QB, RB, WR, WR, TE is as good as anybody’s, but I just cringe everytime Felix powers up the middle, or Romo’s pocket starts breaking down.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i think it's hilarious...

….that when gurode was with us he was some overrated bum who made the probowl on reputation. but now that we’ve cut him he’s a FIVE-TIME PRO BOWL PLAYER! Whatever.

I do think we coulda handled the gurode situation better. But you know what? You know how doesn’t give a flip about these situations? Steelers and Patriots. They cut you inna heartbeat. I don’t wanna be them cuz I hate their franchises (for various reasons). But they’ve had success. All I’m sayin’.

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Aug 30, 2011 1:11 AM CDT reply actions  

with this o-line and def .....

our defense will take some games to get into gear and well , lets face it, outside our no1 pick these other o-linemen as of yet hasnt shown enough to really say they can or cant. they are going to see better defenses and more things thrown at them this year than in preseason. (PERIOD ). bull rushes up the middle and stunts are gonna play havoc this year, i just hope tony can stay healthy enough to get us through. no rose or blue glasses here , seen too much reality to swallow the kool-aid and believe it. Our pass protection,and short yardage ability will speak volumns about where we finish this year.

    so too will our defense ability to pressure the qb and cover deep over the middle, and raf as much as i like em , hes too light to play nt now, just not sure what to make of this .

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by demonbane on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm fine with cutting Gurode, but...

I have been one of his (and the entire right side of the line’s) biggest critics for years now. Its often been an unpopular stance. I’m glad to see this team move on. But you don’t just move on and throw a bunch of nobodies out there. You need to spend some time in the draft getting talent. You can get top interior olinemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of every draft. But this team seems enamored with weak, fast ILBs.

Remember Rob Petiti. That’s all I’m saying. That’s what happens when you put somebody out there without the right talent level.

by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2011 6:26 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Absolutely no different....

… Than what Minnesota did with Mount McKinnie when he showed up for camp at 400 lbs. He too was a former pro bowl LT. He was in the last year of his contract and had all kinds of incentive to work his tail off but didnt and now he is trying to hold on to his career with the Ravens.

What i dont like about the article is that there was no mention of the contract restructure (pay cut) opportunity that was said to have been made by Jerry & Co. to keep ’Dre on the team.

Ultimately the Cowboys have to move forward with what they think are the players that best fit this team. There will be some growing pains (not looking forward to week 4 vs. Suh), and a lot of pressure on Houck, but at least we all know that these guys can move their bodies to at least get in the defenders way …. Something that was missing in the past.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Aug 30, 2011 6:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Sometimes journalists

get a bit too sensationalist. I side with the players a lot, but c’mon, they have agents for a reason. They know what’s guaranteed, and they know that’s the important number. Like you’ve all said, Jerry pays his guys. It’s a brutal, what-you-done-for-me-lately league that favors youth, but it’s not like these players aren’t helpless or anything.

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by ScottB1985 on Aug 30, 2011 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I used to think The Eagles had a smart front office and organization

after this latest signing, guess I was wrong.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 30, 2011 7:10 AM CDT reply actions  

The contract....

….is said to be structured like a series of one-year contracts. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a lot of money to an aging athlete coming off a career year, but I don’t think they completely threw their brains away given the overall structure of the deal.

I heard something on the radio this morning that was interesting. One-year ago, this was Kevin Kolb’s franchise. Kolb was working with a new 2-year deal he had just been given.

Cowboy Up!

by CowboyCrazy on Aug 30, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

isnt every contract a 1 yr contract?

You can be cut anytime.

But 36 mil is alot 1-2 more years tops

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by thebigham on Aug 30, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I understand it, they’re pretty much locked in with Vick for the next three years, and then the series of one year deals you’re talking about commences. When people see “6 years/$100 million,” people lose their minds, but it’s always all about the structure. Football contracts and baseball contracts are vastly different.

by JimmyK on Aug 30, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still

very un-Eagles like. The best argument I can make in favor of it is that Vick is a big draw, not just lcoally, but nationally, and that boost tot he bottom line is important as well.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you compare it to the big deal the Eagles gave McNabb back in the day, they’re very similar. You have to pay your QB. There’s really no way around it.

by JimmyK on Aug 30, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no, I agree, you have to keep a winning QB. I'm not concerned with the guy or the amount of the contract

I just mean the Eagles have been ruthlessly good at discarding older players and churning the younger ones. My expectation would have been that they would have kept Kolb and ditched the older Vick. It’s counter to the model, which has been very successful. Maybe it’s because Reid is contemplating retirement, maybe it’s a window thing, or maybe it’s just an anomaly, like TO was. But it’s a bit out of character.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ditching Vick for Kolb would have been choosing the far less talented player.

by JimmyK on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

NOW you admit it!!

Maybe. They’re loving him in AZ. Anyway, just interesting to me because this is the high-risk, high potential gain approach and a little off the path. But if it works, it’s the big payday.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

They should love him in Arizona. I think he’s going to be great there.

by JimmyK on Aug 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

congrats JimmyK. You deserved it after yesterday........

May that be the last bit of succsess that you have this year.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Aug 30, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know kickers don't really matter

But as a Lions fan, if you guys land Rayner you’re getting a stud. He was clutch in our win vs TB last year (and others), and a consummate professional who turned down offers during the off-season for a chance to compete to stay with the Leos. We’re sad to see him go, but moreso happy that Jason Hanson (our tenured kicker of ~20 seasons) is sticking around.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

But I keep hearing that

Rayner has a big leg, but has trouble consistently making short field goals. That is something we are very familiar with.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

In our short time with him

We didn’t see anything like that. Maybe for teams that don’t play in a dome? But both of our teams do.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

In terms of wind?

You kind of do. I mean, I’ve never actually been in there, but I can’t imagine there’s gusts like there are in actual bowls.

by Mavyrk on Aug 31, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

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