Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Veterans Share Their Favorite Sports Memories

Cowboys @ Vikings Review: Some Extra Points

With the blockbuster development regarding Andre Gurode, the analysis of the performance on both sides of the ball by the Cowboys first teamers, and the heated discussions about whether going with such an inexperienced offensive line is aggressively brilliant or a tacit admission the team is going nowhere this year, there has been no shortage of things to discuss about the preseason game between the Cowboys and the Vikings.  But there was actually a lot of other stuff going on.  

Some of these things will have varying degrees of impact on the season.  Others are just stuff I noticed during the game that struck me as interesting.  But while the game is still fresh in our minds, I thought I'd bring them up.

I hope you find some interest in these things as well.

Star-divide

What happened to all the touchbacks?

Before the season, everyone seemed to be convinced that the kickoff return was pretty much a relic with the new rules. The kicks would all be boomed through the end zone from the 35, and just about all the drives would start from the 20.

On Saturday, there were nine kickoffs between the teams.  And not one of them resulted in a touchback.

It is hard to figure out if this means anything, since it was still preseason, and this might have been the coaches just experimenting with it.  But there are also two other possibilities, at least for Dallas.  One is that neither Dan Bailey or Shayne Graham has enough leg to get the ball through the end zone.  That one might mean that David Buehler will make the team, either as the lone kicker (not necessarily the best option) or as a kickoff specialist (which would waste a roster spot that seems better used otherwise).  Neither one of those excite me.

The other possibility is that the team likes kicking short and trying to stop the return inside the 20.  But that doesn't always work so well, as we saw.

But maybe it was just an experiment.  Or Dave Rayner will be the answer.  Be interesting to see what happens in the real games.

Why is there so much Holley hate?

Jesse Holley was the second best receiver on the field during the game.  He was targeted three times and caught all three of them, looking very good in the process.  Kevin Ogletree did not make nearly as much of the opportunity he had with Miles Austin out, only catching two of the six balls thrown his way, including a potential touchdown where his bad position squandered a beautiful throw from Tony Romo.  There seemed to be a bit of rhythm between Tony and Jesse that certainly didn't show with the Tree.  His only mistake was the facemask penalty on kick coverage, and I don't think that negates his performance receiving.  He did not look like "just a special teams ace".  Barring a major regression in the Dolphins game, I would be very surprised to see Holley not on the final 53.

Will the rest of the receiver picture ever clear up?

Manuel Johnson looked pretty sharp.  Raymond Radway had a catch.  And Dwayne Harris was not a factor, with no targets at all.  I have no idea which way this will go.  The Dwayne Harris situation is especially perplexing.  Did he show enough in that brilliant first game performance that his spot is already set?  I need to go back and reread rabble's post on special teams and what it may mean for the final roster.  But the backup wide receiver situation is just muddy.

Penalties still look favorable.

The first teams played the whole first half, and only had two penalties.  I think that the team also had two penalties in the first half of the other two games as well.  When you consider that the offensive line is so loaded with young, inexperienced players, that becomes an even more impressive trend.  If this team continues keeping the yellow flags off the field, then I believe at least one close game this season will be a win instead of a loss.  And the implications of the discipline that is manifesting itself on this team are very pleasant to contemplate.

Jerry may be letting Jason make the personnel decisions, but he still loves to talk about them.

I live close enough to Dallas that one of the local stations carry the Dallas coverage of all the preseason games.  So I got to see the extended interview with Jerry Jones before the game.  And the even more extended interview with him while he sat in the booth with the announcers for the whole third quarter.  (I wonder how uncomfortable it is to be an announcer or commentator trying to interview the man who signs your paycheck?)

One thing is certain, Jerry has some rather definite views on who should be on the team.  During the game, he made it clear that he believes that Jon Kitna will be the backup to Tony, and likely will have to play at some point during the season.  He also seems to be quite pleased with the progress of Stephen McGee, so it seems that all the discussion about going with two quarterbacks this season look pretty pointless.

But it does bring to mind an earlier discussion, when Jerry all but guaranteed that Keith Brooking was going to be a part of the team this year.  I am going to keep an eye on that.  If Keith should get cut to save money while opening up a slot for a younger player, then any remaining shreds of doubt about who is making the personnel calls on this team are pretty much eliminated.

Scoring defense is the one bright spot for Rob Ryan's scheme.

No one has exactly run up the score on the Cowboys.  The defense gave up a lot of yards and got gashed pretty badly (by the best running back in the NFL), but they only surrendered 17 points, and Abram Elam just flat mistimed a jump that was very close to an exciting interception instead of a touchdown.  I don't want to put too much of a positive spin on this, but it is a glimmer of hope that there might be more bend than break in this bunch.

The team seized the opportunity. 

When Gerald Sensabaugh blasted through and blocked the field goal, the team got a huge lift.  Then Sensi scooped the tipped pass to end Minnesota's next drive, and Tony led a nice 77 yard touchdown drive to capitalize on it.  That is the kind of opportunism that the team will need to succeed this season.

The Cowboys finish the preseason with some momentum.

I wrote earlier about building momentum for the regular season, and the 2-1 record combined with winning the "dress rehearsal" game is just what I was talking about.  With all the young players on this team, I like that they got a taste of what it takes to come out on top.

Those were some details about the game I thought were buried a little under all the bigger stories.  I believe in the idea that details matter and small things can be used to build towards the big ones.  There are still a lot of unknowns going into the Jets game, but there are also some very positive trends for the Cowboys.  I am certain the decisions being made will lead to good things in the future.

Here is hoping that the future is now.

Comment 37 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Don't Be Surprised

If Kevin Ogletree is released during final cuts. He hasn’t shown anything to warrant keeping him. I’m tired of hearing about the camp he’s having because it doesn’t and hasn’t translated in preseason or regular season games over the past 3 years. Holley made the most of his opportunity and the guys like Harris and Radway play like they’re hungry.

by CowboysFan_inDC on Aug 30, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I was a Tree Hugger once

but like you, I’m ready to being in the Axe Man. And when you read “seemed to be a bit of rhythm between Tony and Jesse that certainly didn’t show with the Tree.”, you already know it’s not the veteran QB who’s having problems, any more than it was with RW. I hate to see the world lose another Tree, but sadly, this one has the blight and must be culled…

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

*bring in*

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  


Metaphorically speaking, you’re starlight, star bright

Figure the forest’s nature’ll handle it. Or JG’ll don his Paul Bunyan outfit…

Cry 'Havoc!'

by tanstaafl on Aug 30, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take Holley over Tree right now.

Just hope they keep Radway. He’s raw but making improvements. I got the sense though, that he’s fast, but not ‘kickoff fast’. Doesn’t seem to cut and change fast.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Aug 30, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

me too...

tree is a lil too nonchalant for me….never really seen him fight for a first down, break a tackle, etc. Maybe that’s just his nature but he’s not talented enough to not do these things IMO. Holley will….

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Aug 30, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

he doesn’t seem to deliver on the intangibles either. Two or three times in pre season games I’ve seen him let up on blocking downfield with the play coming his way. I believe it was a run play stretched to outside where Jesse Holley is making a downfield block on what appears to be the db that was covering Tree, meanwhile he’s standing there watching.

He teases with promise and great camps but it doesn’t seem that he has all the RKG traits.

I still think he makes it because he knows the offense and can run in the slot better than Holley but hopefully Holley’s hustle earns him a place as well. I feel this should be last year for Tree unless the “team concept” light comes on.

Together, we WILL make it happen!

by nikeorlipstick on Aug 30, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Difference between the lines

I think the whole penalty analysis should really be looked at. If our O-line only gives up 2 penalties a game I’m a happy camper. That has to beat what we were seeing with our old O-line for the last few years. Perhaps the old just thought they would be given the starts anyways and now I’m glad that mentality has changed. These young guys want it, it shows. So they came out and took those positions.

I’m no fan of Holley and trumpeted his release. Well I have to say I am probably dead wrong on that. The guy showed up to play and did well. I’m still not a fan but he’s probably earned a spot on the team. I don’t know about Ogletree, he seems to be struggling in the preseason.

by Final Frame on Aug 30, 2011 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Attitudes on the line are undoubtedly better but

don’t underestimate the impact of age and injury on penalties. Flo’s climbed dramatically when he could no longer move well enough to stay in front of speed rushers. Colombo and Davis would often jump early trying to beat the defensive linemen to the spot. I think we’re seeing some of the benfits of younger, more athletic linemen….

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

If cutting Gurode showed anything, I don't see how Kitna makes the team

Especially with the possibility of needing a KO specialist. The youth movement has begun might as finish up the offense. If romo goes down I have faith in McGee for 1-2 games. If Romo is lost for more than that the season is lost anyway.

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Aug 30, 2011 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

The third qb is a freebie spot, I think. But since everything you said is true, couldn’t we just make Buehler our third qb. Shoot, 3rd qbs never need to win a game, so why not use the freebie on another position.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Aug 30, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone just hates Holley because he's consistent

All the fans want the next Miles Austin to be in the 4th/5th WR slot, not someone who is a serviceable back-up and a hell of a special teamer.

That would just be silly. Thankfully the coaches make the final cuts, and not the fans…

by Damnsammit on Aug 30, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually quite a few fans like Holley

the issue I think is that he seems to have reached his ceiling, so that’s always going to be concerning.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe so, but...

his ceiling includes working hard and hustling and working on little things to get better. Wouldn’t that be a better trait for a 3rd/4th receiver and a special teams player than someone like Ogletree who may occasionally give you a great catch but follows it up with a missed opportunity (either by not trying hard or lack of focus or both).

It seems Holley is rarely given many opportunities in pre season yet he always makes the most of them. That’s someone I would think we would want on the team as a role player.

Together, we WILL make it happen!

by nikeorlipstick on Aug 30, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course

And from what I’ve seen, I’d take Holley over Ogletree at this point.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

That might be true...

But this blog has quite a bit of Holley haters. They think Radaway is a much better option. And some are hilarious and wish that Tyson Poots would make the 53 because of his “upside”.

I think we should pick up Usain Bolt, slap him into some pads and make him our #4/5WR. He has way more upside than Holley lol

My four locks to make the WR spot: Austin, Bryant, Holley, Harris

Hopefully the coaches see the same Ogletree that isn’t willing to give it 100%

by Damnsammit on Aug 30, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

My guess is they see it even clearer.

And although I used to root for Ogletree, I don’t see him making the cut.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's with wanting to cut down the Tree?

He was good in the SD game. Even the mediots at ESPN had his stock going up. In the Vikings game, one of the his six targets was uncatchable (the ball Tony three 5 yards out of bounds) and one of the others Tony tried to squeeze in between two defenders and was deflected. He should have had the catch that almost went for a TD, but I don’t see Holley making that catch either. He is still the best option in case of injury because he has respectable outside speed.

"In the real world fans aren't fixated on football in the off-season -- they are [fixated on it] now and we are ready to go." --- Jerry Jones, the Plato of the NFL.

by LDVFootball on Aug 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh Radway doesn't do anything for me

I just think he’s overhyped. I like Harris and believe that he has enough in him to eventually become the #2 when Miles retires (well if we keep him long enough). But thats just my personal view, he hasn’t played a season yet…

by Final Frame on Aug 30, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Harris is a rookie and they didn’t waste a 5th round pick on him. He showed enough in the preseason that he is safe.

If Manny Johnson would have showed even a glimpse of that in his first couple of years then he might still be sticking around, but he’s probably getting the axe barring a breakout game on Thursday.

by Damnsammit on Aug 30, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on your 4 locks at WR

Holley earned a roster spot Sat. night and Manny Johnson has shown flashes as well.
But don’t talk trash about Poots… I think he does deserve a spot on the practice squad (pet cat after interview).
If Radway makes the roster it will be primarily for ST and because Ogltree doesn’t make the final cut. Thursday game should be very telling about final WR core.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 30, 2011 10:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, sorry... Didn't mean to insult Poots

He will be nice to have on the practice squad, but he is nowhere near ready to be on the 53, just like Holley wasn’t ready in his first year either.

by Damnsammit on Aug 30, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Just joking, and you are right.

"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB

by Kegbearer on Aug 30, 2011 10:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sicko

I really wanted us to keep him…

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Aug 30, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess the question the coahes must answer is

which way do we go for the third, fourth and fifth wr spots. We know who’s starting. The question next is can Tree be consistently relied on to play the slot or start if Miles or Dez are injured. Then, they must evaluate the potential of Radway, Harris and Manny to do the same. I agree that Holley has shown enough and with his special teams ability he should get one of the spots. Tree is inconsistent and has been since he’s been with the Cowboys, so pick the two best of the other three in terms of ST performance and potential and hope you’re right.

Wish you were here

by pfloyd1 on Aug 30, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

No Offense but....

There’s no such thing as a bend-but-don’t-break defense, it just doesn’t exist. Each year there will be a couple of teams that allow a ton of yards but don’t get scored on much and vice versa, but those are the exception and it never lasts. That is to say, while there will always be a couple of exceptions, those teams will fall back to the pack and other exceptions will arise in there place. There’s no consistently good “bend but don’t break” team from year to year.

If you want a good defense you have to stop the other team from gaining yards. That’s the end all, be all to NFL defenses. Some teams get lucky and prevent yardage by getting turnovers (see exceptions above), but the next game or next year they can’t get any more turnovers. The good defenses year after year are the ones that stop the pass and stop the run (but mainly the pass). That’s why Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, and Derrelle Revis are so crucial to their team – although they get turnovers, it’s the deflected ball, stuffed run, and blanketing coverage that doesn’t make the highlight reel that makes a great defense.

Furthermore, Rob Ryan’s controlled chaos defense is not a “bend but don’t break” defense, it’s a “force something to happen and hope it’s good”. Our D is going to give up a lot of big plays this year, that’s just the nature of the blitz. The assumption is that those big plays will be worth it because more often than not that chaos/blitz will lead to sacks, turnovers, tipped passes and incomplete passes that kill drives. The good thing is this could lead to some game changing defensive plays; the bad is if those big plays come at the wrong time or all the same game it could kill us.

However, I’m not worried. Last year we had a top 10 offense without Romo, and we could easily get back to Top 5 with him for a whole season. All our D has to do is either (1) be good enough at stopping yardage (an average D probably means 10-11 wins), or (2) be lucky enough to force turnovers and be one of those exceptions from the beginning of this post.

For at least Week 1, I’m not worried. The Jets have a Top 5 defense, we have a Top 10 offense. We had a Bottom 5 defense last year, they have a Bottom 10 offense. It will just take a little bit of luck or a reasonable improvement to beat them. We only need to worry if our OLine can handle the Jets front seven.

by niceville56 on Aug 30, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm worried about our run defense

especially when we play the giants (the jets, when they get it going, can be a worry as well)

I have been saying for years that we need to invest in a Stump of a lineman, a space eater, a fire hydrant guy on defense. It would be nice to get some push from him and penetration on passing plays but our Dline has been pushed off the Line of Scrimmage and sooner or later that will be exploited

by LiveNDieBlue on Aug 30, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

By the way, for those not in the coverage area for the game Thursday

The NFL Network will show it on Friday night 7-9:30pm

I know it will wont be the 1st string guys but I kind of like this game because guys are playing for their dreams and I find myself really rooting for them, so I enjoy the 4th pre-season game a lot.

by LiveNDieBlue on Aug 30, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Its the Dolphins

Their organization needs to see the next set of players they’d like to get once the Cowboys cut their roster. It will be exciting.

by Final Frame on Aug 30, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

im not worried about the cowboys defense...

for the most part. I am worried about the d-line not necessarily destroying the offensive line. But people have to remember this is the preseason, and this is Rob Ryan. Preseason is as vanilla as you can get. And Rob Ryan (like his brother) has as many exotic packages and blitzes as you can think of.

by jberg75 on Aug 30, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Kick offs

I’m not surprised about the lower than expected touchbacks. It should be remembered that it wasn’t until 1994 that kickoffs were moved back to the 30 yd line. From 1974 to 1994 kicks were from the 35, just like now. Before 1974 they were from the 40.

My memory is that they were moved to the 30 to increase scoring by improving field position in a time of defensive domination. With the changes in the coverage rules on receivers, scoring is not a problem,and player safety has moved to the forefront. This is not the end of the world as we know if.

by swj010 on Aug 30, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Life just isn't fair

Piney… Oooops! Excuse me, Tom. You said:

I live close enough to Dallas that one of the local stations carry the Dallas coverage of all the preseason games. So I got to see the extended interview with Jerry Jones before the game. And the even more extended interview with him while he sat in the booth with the announcers for the whole third quarter.

Those of us who live elsewhere, Reno, Nevada in my case, get to watch the Cowboys on the NFL Network, delayed until Monday night, with Minnesota announcers.

Oh well, that beats not being able to watch them at all, like a few years ago.

But, perhaps that isn’t so bad; now that I think about it. After all, unlike you, I don’t have to watch Jerry talking in circular riddles which I bet even he doesn’t understand.

I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy ...I'd have had nothing to play with. (Rodney Dangerfield)

by RenoCowboy on Aug 30, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Right now it's Holley > Tree and I don't think it's that close

I think Tree has more overall athleticism, but Holley seems to possess a genuine desire to succeed where Tree is just, meh…

I’ve been a big fan of Tree, but he’s losing me, and fast.

by Dezstroyer88 on Aug 30, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Dallas Cowboys blog for the SB Nation network. We talk Cowboys 24/7/365. Join the discussion but follow the community guidelines.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Omarav_small
The 17 Years Myth
09_bar-refaeli_08_small
Bedtime Stories Part 1: What KMAAN
222724_1014143404454_1551120017_30067740_5911_n_small
2012: Random Thoughts about Anything but a Quiet Offseason
Demarco_murray_st_louis_rams_v_dallas_cowboys_baxpocve6rkl_small
Headed in the Right Direction...(Delusional or Reality)
Small
X's and O's... More Basics... Cover 3...

Recent FanPosts

Small
Jenkins Or Spencer
Small
Beat the Pass Rush
Small
Romo and the Super Bowl Question
Small
Cowboys players under 25 are more valuable than Eagles and Giants
Small
A LETTER TO MIKE JENKINS...

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Editor

New_headshot_small Dave Halprin

Lead Writer

Brandon_small Brandon Worley

2012-05-23_14-43-22_987_small KD Drummond

Captain_small One.Cool.Customer

Contributing Writers

Emmittintro_small rabblerousr

Dallas_cowboys_nike_gloves_small Archie Barberio

Even_better_tom_small Tom Ryle

2011_07160126_small CotySaxman

Moderators

Ns_08bstockb-thumb-200x185_small scottmaui

Sean_lee_small NYHorn