Taylor Mays on the Block
by LeedsCowboys on Aug 4, 2011 2:50 PM CDT
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Adam Scheffter reporting on Twitter the 49rs have emailed the League and have put Mays on the block, is he worth investing a 2nd rounder in? Think he would be worth a look as a long term investment what with Elam and Sensabaugh on 1yr deals, we have lack real depth here and would be worth a look into to see what they are looking for will it be player trade or just draft pick.
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Isn't he just entering his second year?
Why don’t they want him? I don’t know much about the 49ers, but I’ve never pictured them as having an amazing secondary, especially with Nate Clements gone.
did anyone
watch this guy play last year? is he any good or good enough to send a 5th or 6th round flyer on him?
He had some moments, from what little I saw
He lacks the consistency and technique that come with working hard and proper coaching.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
eh.
Singletary played him for a couple games and then had to concede that he wasn’t ready to play safety in the NFL.
The knock coming out of USC was that he was stiff and had poor recognition.
by all accounts he’s a high character guy but he may have been born in the wrong era. In the 1980’s when you wanted your safety to come up and crush RB he might have been a star. In the 2010’s when you need your safety to be a 4th CB, maybe not so much.
I’m not typically a fan of position changes but I kinda agree that he might be a better LB.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 4, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
hybrid LB for sure, he would be goodt as LB
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 4, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
got a new post up Chia.... specifically about this
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a little raw, but his physical ability is undeniable.
He’s absolutely worth picking up if the price is right.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
If that's the price then absolutely.
I make that deal yesterday. I think it’ll probably be more like a 4th though (I’d still do it).
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I don't like it.
A lot of people here (myself included actually) were clamoring for the kid because of his great combine numbers – but he was passed over by Pete Carroll and now he’s being put on the block by a team trying to transition into becoming a winning franchise again?
Something is very suspicious about that. Maybe if we gave up a 4th round pick you could justify that but I’m not sure he’s a RKG if that’s the situation.
Those are my thoughts exactly
Why is he getting traded all of the sudden?
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puts up OCC signal
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It works! Woo Hoo
oh wait…What the heck?! You are OCC!! the Thor of Stats!!!……really?
ha ha ha. No clue.
I feel so empty now…..
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
at SS
I think Mays would be a good SS
if he is on the block I would send a 3rd round pick for him possibly
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Remember -
Eagles have an extra second round pick thanks to stupid Arizona.
And the Eagles would love to stick it to Dallas again.
They have very little experience at safety.
they would be foolish to give up a 2nd round pick for Mays
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Sensi and Elam
Cowboys are set for this season…and they have young pups to develop.
Dallas will not be interested unless Jerry wants to be back in the headlines…which is always possible.
talking about the future here
both S’s are on one year deals
I think Mays could be a good SS, especially under Ryan for a year learning
maybe, Mays would even develop into this hyrbid nickel LB/S I have been talking about for a while
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 4, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
dude
hybrid nickel LB/SS
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 4, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
People don't seem very sure
that AOA and Church will ever be more than serviceable backups. If we think Mays has true starter potential, we need to bring him in.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
None of the young pups we have on the roster have near as much potential as Taylor Mays
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Because they just signed Donte Whitner to a 3 year deal and don't feel like waiting to develop a young safety.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This sounds very odd. Something fishy is going on here
Semper Fi Do or Die
Thanks a lot Nnamdi for wasting a whole day of productivity at work and stressing me out. Now we get to destroy you twice a year and I'll call us even.
its extremely odd
2nd round pick a year ago, now being shopped?
odd very odd
must be an attitude thing I bet
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 4, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The truth will come out soon I suspect. Secrets don't keep long in the NFL
Semper Fi Do or Die
Thanks a lot Nnamdi for wasting a whole day of productivity at work and stressing me out. Now we get to destroy you twice a year and I'll call us even.
we did something similar with Marty B
who has still emerged as a very serviceable player for us. Sometimes you have an impression of what a player can be, and when he doesn’t fit that, you become disenchanted, especially if it is more mental than physical.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
i wouldnt
give up picks for this guy. maybe if we could to a 6 next year, 7 the year after. we’re gonna need tose high picks next year, the secondary fix is only a bandaid, we’ll draft DB’s next year.
Go Cowboys
CB and S
if we dont take a CB and S with the first two picks, we are in trouble
I love Bruce Carter, but I lobbied hard for Brandon Harris for a reason
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by Archie Barberio on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
i cringe
that we are already looking at who replaces sensi and elam next year but optimistically I bet one of those guys earns another contract.
Go Cowboys
Their contracts are identical.
I’d bet on Sensi.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
it depends
if we think he’s got a chance to develop into a starter, it would be worth sending a fifth, maybe even a 4th. We might have to replace both safeties next year, so we need to figure out now who on our roster has a chance to start next year. Having Mays on the team this year learning Ryan’s scheme will give him the experience he needs to start next year. Having him on the team this year is worth giving up that pick, in my opinion.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
From niners nation
He was a 2nd round pick of the 49ers in the 2010 draft and has shown the athletic ability to be a standout safety in the NFL, however, Mays has yet to put it together completely on the field.
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Taylor Mays = Roy Williams Lite
No thanks! Last thing we need is another safety who is a liability in coverage.
Taylor Mays=Roy Williams with ball skills.
Not to mention tons more athleticism. That is a pretty bad comparison. He’s just raw.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I agree
The only similarities are that they hit hard and struggle in coverage. That’s a very shallow comparison between the two of them
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry...
Don’t really care about anything else.
STRUGGLE IN COVERAGE IS THE LAST THING WE NEED FROM A SAFETY.
Clear enough?
NO IT'S NOT CLEAR ENOUGH I THINK YOU NEED TO CAPITALIZE MORE
Again, that’s a very shallow comparison. Would you care to postulate on why each one struggles in coverage?
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
MORE CAPS FOR YOU
THEY BOTH STRUGGLE IN COVERAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE DUMBER THAN A SACK OF DEAD KITTENS.
SAFETY REQUIRES A LOT OF THINKING. BOTH ARE CHARISMATIC BUT NOT EXACTLY BRIGHT.
Both crude and simplistic
That either takes a natural affinity or a lot of creativity, but I’m going with the former.
I’ve said what I have to say—that Mays’ problem is a lack of coaching, that I’m not saying we should start the guy, and that it would be interesting to have him as a backup and see if he develops, but I digress.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah you are right...
Lack of coaching… Singletary is clearly a horrible coach and has no idea how to run a defensive scheme. Couldn’t be the fact that Taylor Mays is simply not a great safety in the NFL.
Look at him and Roy, both had outstanding college skills. Both are great tacklers, hard hitters, excellent at the run. Both cannot cover a NFL Caliber RB or a TE to save their lives.
If he had coverage breakdowns against WR’s then it would be one thing, but you have to be able to cover a TE (not named Witten, Clark, Davis- seems like Mays actually has practice against that one, or Gates)
Did you watch the games last season? Safeties leaving CB’s on islands is cool if you have Revis and Asomogua (sp) but we don’t exactly have that luxury. We need coverage safeties because, IMO, our pass rush under Rex Ryan is going to make our secondary look great.
And sorry, I’ve been drinking. I am not usually this childish in debate. lol
I know you were trying to be creatively sarcastic with Mike Singletary
But are you aware that he was a LINEBACKER (proper use of caps, I think) coach and had actually never been a coordinator at any level?
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
And a damn good LINEBACKER
I just don’t see Mays being a good fit on this team. Sorry.
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Eagles picked him up. With #21 shutting down one side and DRC on the other, then you can expect less coverage needed in the safety area. Unfortunately I do not see the Cowboys having this luxury.
I’m down with bringing him in for some depth, especially if we can get him for a 4th-5th round pick, but honestly, I want safeties with coverage skills because DALLAS NEEDS THAT.
PS
I’m not saying we should start the guy, and that it would be interesting to have him as a backup and see if he develops, but I digress.
I agree 100% with this, especially if we can get him for a 5th round pick or lower.
I think that's all anybody is advocating.
Personally I would do a 4th but probably no higher than that.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Raw???
He sucks in coverage. And that is what we would need him for. We now want interchangeable safeties. He is a walking liability.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
I think you are being overly dramatic.
He does not suck in coverage, in fact he has shown flashes of brilliance. He is raw and needs some time to develop.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Please...
I watched him play in USC and watched him at SF. He was a liability.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
So did I, and I think your assessment doesn't account for a lot of things
So it seems we’re at an impasse
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope..
You want to see what Taylor Mays is? Look at his last year in USC. When his LB buddies all left. He was torched in coverage, by more than one team. If you want, I can name them. There is a reason Pete Carroll passed on him.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Look at his first 3 years in USC if you want to use that argument.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I did
When they had all three All american LB’s to cover his mistakes.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Also a bad argument.
Football is a team sport. One man is supposed to play the entire defense? No. When the talent around you drops off there’s a good chance your play will drop off too. Imagine what he could do with our LB core if you thought USC’s was good.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
No it's a reasonable arguement.
If your good the tape will show it. Teams can tell when you are a man among boys, they are also smart enough to reason that you lost talent. People glorified him because of his muscles and his straight line speed. Taylor mays could never cover. He was a big hitter. That was it.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
What are you talking about?
The tape does show it. I’ve seen plenty of highlights of him picking off passes and things like that. Again. He’s raw in coverage. I think his problems are coachable. And with coaches like Ryan/Campo/Maxie, I think we would have a pretty good shot at realizing his potential. It’s not like he would cost a first rounder or something.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
First off, never rely on highlights.
Rely on the whole game. I have watched whole games with him in it. It is as clear as day. With creative highlights, I could turn Alan Ball into an All Pro safety.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
I've watched plenty of full games.
And I don’t agree with you.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Well, my friend, we shall agree to disagree.
But we use interchangeable safeties. Taylor Mays being inserted in will call us out. He is not shutting down anybody. He didn’t do it in college and he didn’t do it in the pros. I need more than straight line speed to take a chance on a guy. Give me some numbers to support how he was in coverage.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Look, Holchr, bottom line is this
Mays never had a good secondary coach at USC. He had a lot of talent, and their defensive scheme banked on him using that raw talent. He got to San Francisco, and guess what kind of secondary coaching he got?
Nobody here is saying to trade a 1st rounder for Taylor Mays and let him start. He’s a project player who’s worth seeing if he can be coached up. Period.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The last thing we need is someone else who is terrible in any kind of coverage.
I would rather a guy with half the talent but is more consistent than Taylor Mays. Again, there is a reason why Pete Carroll passed on him.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Sigh
It’s apparent somebody plugged in a broken record to your keyboard and walked out of the room. I’m done here.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
I respect what your trying to say. But with the WR’s that we are going up against, they are going to pick on him. Worst than Mike Jenkins when he regressed. We can do better.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Again, I'm not advocating we start the guy
But is he worth it for a late-round flyer to see if his problems are coachable? Absolutely.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a good special-teams player
If he never develops from there, turn him loose and let him be someone else’s problem, sure.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
That’s where he would start. Throw him on ST and spend a year or two developing him at S. That’s exactly what I’m advocating here.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
you mean like alan ball?
half as talented, has pretty consistant cover skills
by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions
understand what you're saying but
when we was punishing recievers and forcing ball carries to fumble.
thats all him. Yeah he struggles in coverage but give the guy credit, when it comes to laying the wood. He excelled at it. And if we were able to get him for a 4th or 5th i’d consider it a fair deal
by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I watched him play at USC too.
He was not a liability. And SF can be explained as college is not the same as the NFL. He needs time to develop, it’s that simple. It’s not like we have anything better behind Sensabaugh/Elam anyway, these are the kind of guys we need to be taking chances on (young, cheap, superstar potential, under control for a few years…)
There is literally no downside to taking a later round flyer on him.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Just because your athletic doesn't make you good.
It just means your athletic. We should stick to developing what we got and drafting better.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
question Holchr...
Do you think that AOA will make a serviceable Safety?
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If he is as smart as they say he is...
I think he stands a good chance.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Just because you are smart doesnt make you good
it just means your smart. Small college ball is a whole different game compared to the NFL or even D1. i’d say im leaning towards Mays to have a more productive career. not saying he’ll be a great player… but i have my fingers crossed on AOA
by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions
the reason I ask
is that Mays and AOA…virtually Identical testing numbers……just saying
Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 5, 2011 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah no thanks.
If he is cut I wouldn’t mind bringing him in, but I wouldn’t give up a significant draft pick for a guy who is on the block after one year in league.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
+1
don’t give up a draft pick for him. Something weird is going on here though, there’s something we don’t know about him. Why would a team give up on a 2nd round pick after one year?
All I want for my birthday this year... is for the Cowboys to beat the Jets
by CaliCowboysFan92 on Aug 4, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It might just be as simple as he doesn't fit what they're trying to do on defense.
Rob Ryan could find a place for him.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Schefter Tweet...
Former Bills S Donte Whitner did NOT go to Cincinnati. He agreed to a 3-year, $11.75 million deal with $4 million gtd with the 49ERS.
Looks like they rather have a seasoned vet over Mays…
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Yep, there you go.
They don’t feel like developing a young safety, they’d rather not waste time and try to go for it now. I say we look into this. Taylor Mays has potential to be a beast. I’d be thrilled if we could get him for a 4th rounder or less.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Just what we need
Another Safety that can’t cover………
Go Cowboyz!!!!!!
Dez is gonna beast this year!!
Melooooooo!!!!
Maybe as a nickel LB? He can't move/cover well enough to play safety.
He was a terrific blitzer in college, so he might fit into Ryan’s scheme as a nickel/dime LB.
"Rob [Ryan] is like Houdini with hella swag." -T. Newman
right now beggers can not be choosers..
For a low pick I don’t care .. would u guys rather have church or mays? I’m not hearing church tearing things up or aoa.. after our vets go down we are real thin at safety.
+1
This guy is an athletic freak, if you can get him for even a 4th round pick i think you pull the trigger. Guy was a 1st round grade/2nd round pick last year. Take the time to groom him for the future. If he and AOA develop together the way they should then it could possibly be a fantastic safety tandem.
by bettacalltyrone on Aug 4, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
we are in a position where we need to take chances on high risk, high reward players. Replacement level guys can be had on the FA market, we’ve proven that this year. Mays has the physical abilities to be a star in this league, and we can afford to carry him on the roster for a year to let him develop.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I don't want athletic freaks...
I want football players. I don’t care what he looks like in a jersey. I care what he does on the field. If we wanted that much of a liability, we should have kept Roy Williams.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
exactly i think RR can use him..
The guy only played one year plus there is a coaching Chanel over…
Giving up a top pick for him no… But a low rounder who cares..
Absolutely right
We have all read that RR philosophy is about creating mismatches and Mays is honestly a tweener at this point. The only benefit to being a tweener is being able to take advantage of mismatches is properly placed in a system. I am not saying that he is ready to be our starting SS. But he can help this team in many ways and can be groomed into a legit starter for the future.
by bettacalltyrone on Aug 5, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
?????
He was terrible in his last year at USC. He didn’t have the LB’s of doom covering his mistakes. He is a special teamer at best. Thanks but no thanks.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Yeah, not worth it
since our LB core is so much weaker than what USC had his first 3 years.
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A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. -- Emo Philips
This is the correct logic.
Mays > pretty much everything else we have after Sensabaugh and Elam.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Hell no....
He is just a muscle head in a shirt. Stay away from him.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
No way is anyone giving a 2nd for him.
I bet his price drops significantly or he is eventually cut. Then I say we take a flyer on him. I bet Rob can find him a special role in the nickel.
Why?
Tashard actually functions on our team.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Does he?
What exactly has he done since two games at the end of his rookie season? Third-string runningbacks are supposed to earn their keep as a dependable backup and a special teams guy. I love Tashard Choice, but he’s done neither.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 4, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
REALLY!?
He’s not a dependable backup?
Sure, the guy doesnt play special teams, but how can you be sane and say that he hasn’t been dependable as a backup?
All he does is step in and step it up when asked to.
That’s the best #3 RB I could ever ask for. He’d be starting on at least 5 teams in the NFL.
Let's see... 2011 stats
66 attempts, 3.7 average yards per carry with zero touchdowns. And I know it’s not all to fair to pin everything on him, but since you’re feeling so pretentiously feisty tonight… do you remember the Washington game this year? Yeah… Am I missing something here?
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 5, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Those are just the stats, now for the eye test
Can you remember more than one situation this year in which his number was called, and he stepped up and made the play he needed to make? I certainly don’t. Choice is a serviceable backup, but why do you need him when you have two guys (Murray and Miller) who are younger and can contribute on special teams? It’s time to stop living in 2008 with Choice, my friend.
Oh, and just to ammend my previous post—I was looking at receiving stats for touchdowns. He actually had 3 rushing touchdowns this year, so that was my mistake.
by Admiral Dallas on Aug 5, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
In Choice's defense (and all of our RBs for that matter...)
The O-line was TERRIBLE last year. Kinda hard to have any kind of running game when that’s the case, unless you have Barry Sanders back there.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Hey no biggie.
I actually want to see Tashard get traded to another team that will give him a better chance to succeed. It’s clear that he is not a Garrett guy, but he is definitely my favorite RB on this team.
Most talented? Probably not. But this guy loves football, and I love a guy that loves to play the game and takes the approach that Choice does.
Sporting my #23 jersey until I die, no matter what team I am on. That kid made me a fan. The stats aren’t great, but the O-line sure as shit wasn’t either. No offense to JG the head coach, but JG the offensive coordinator really pissed me off by completely giving up on him in 2009 when Barber was struggling.
ok the skinny...
at draft time the 49ers owner wanted a different player, m. singletary wanted mayes. time was winding down and a decision had to be made or lose the spot… the owner gave way to head coach on the matter. now that the head coach is gone , the new head coach wants a more versatile ss, one that can cover and play tough in the box . mayes like so many otthers are losing value in todays nfl, because they are not good enough cover safeties. because of the type of def 49ers are going too, they have to have more versatile safeties. ( due to pass happy NFL )
when the owner and head coach dont want ya .. well your hitting the market . mike sunk himself with that pick. and NO we dont need em.. our safeties are gonna have to be able to play either role depending on the call atm.
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
My argument against that is this.
He’s been in the league for one year. Most of the time it takes young guys a little longer than that to figure it out at the NFL level, especially when their skills are somewhat raw. He has every physical tool you could possibly imagine going for him. He’s shown that he has the potential to be an elite player on several occasions but he’s been inconsistent. If he could be had for a mid/late rounder or something comparable it would be worth taking a shot on him and seeing if you could harness his rare athleticism and turn it into high level production. Besides, it’s not like he’s any worse than what we have on our roster for depth at the moment anyway, and with the quality of coaching he will receive here could possibly be exponentially better. Either way for the right price it would be worth it to find out.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
No thank you
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
I'd take him
depending on the price, of course
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