To Mays or not To Mays..that is the question. (Updated...Now Fortified with More ILB)

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 5:59 PM CDT

Well it looks like Taylor Mays is on the trading block.....Should Dallas go after him? IMHO yes...as long as San Fran is willing to do a "Barron" trade....By that I mean a straight up trade involving two players that no longer have a role on their respective teams....in this Case Tashard Choice for Taylor Mays straight up... Lets look at what Mays brings to the table after the jump...

As we all know Taylor MAys put up some pretty impressive numbers at the 2010 combine...Just look Here:

Name: Taylor Mays
College: Southern Cal     Number: 2
Height: 6-3   Weight: 230
Position: FS  Pos2: SS/OLB
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2010
40 Time: 4.31      40 Low: 4.19   40 High: 4.45
Projected Round: 1  Stock:

High: Mid1/OLBorSS Low: 2
Rated number 2 out of 75 FS's 18 / 1992 TOTAL

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6031 Weight: 230 40 Yrd Dash: 4.31 20 Yrd Dash: 2.46 10 Yrd Dash: 1.45	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24 Vertical Jump: 41 Broad Jump: 10'05" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: No shuttles or 3-cone, choice - 40 Time Range: 4.31-4.43	Dates: 03/31/10 Height: 6031 Weight: 230 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash:	225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24 3-Cone Drill: 6.98

Now as you know from my previous posts I hate stats in a vacuum... so here are TWO players that Compare to Mays, Dallas's own Akwasi Owusu-Ansah and Fan favorite to draft last year Rahim Moore:

Name: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (+) Coming off shoulder injury
College: Indiana (PA)     Number: 32
Height: 6-0   Weight: 207
Position: CB  Pos2: FS/KR
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2010
40 Time: 4.32      40 Low: 4.30   40 High: 4.53
Projected Round: 2-3  Stock:

High: 2 Low: 3-4
Rated number 11 out of 166 CB's 70 / 1992 TOTAL

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6002 Weight: 207 40 Yrd Dash: 4.32 20 Yrd Dash: 2.51 10 Yrd Dash: 1.53	225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 35 1/2 Broad Jump: 10'00" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.32 3-Cone Drill: 6.84 No bench, shoulder - 40 Time Range: 4.32-4.53	Dates: 03/12/10 Height: 6002 Weight: 207 40 Yrd Dash: 4.33 20 Yrd Dash: 2.53 10 Yrd Dash: 1.48	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21 Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.19 3-Cone Drill:

And Rahim Moore:

Name: *Rahim Moore
College: UCLA     Number: 3
Height: 6-0   Weight: 202
Position: FS  Pos2: CB/SS
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2011
40 Time: 4.58      40 Low: 4.49   40 High: 4.68
Projected Round: 2  Stock:

High: 2 Low: 3
Rated number 1 out of 83 FS's 54 / 2085 TOTAL

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes Height: 5116 Weight: 202 40 Yrd Dash: 4.58 20 Yrd Dash: 2.60 10 Yrd Dash: 1.56	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 11 Vertical Jump: 35 Broad Jump: 09'07" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96 3-Cone Drill: 6.98 4.45/4.50/4.57 40 range before Combine	Dates: 03/29/11 Height: 5116 Weight: 202 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash:	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 15 Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.15 3-Cone Drill:

So now that we have a couple of points to compare to... Lets do so:

First off, look how big Mays is...6-3 230 pounds....dude is as big as a few LB's in the league....he has a good 3" in height on AOA and Moore...plus has a good 30 lbs on them.... Big Dude....

So you would expect him to test out a lot worse that either of them right? Wrong Buddy. Mays is as fast as AOA in straight line speed 4.32(AOA) vs 4.31(Mays) , and is right there with him in the Short Shuttle 4.19(AOA) vs 4.24(Mays) Moore gets left in the dust at 4.58....though makes up ground via his Combine SS(an unreal 3.96)

Now AOA did post the top 3-cone, 6.84 vs 6.98 for both Moore and Mays, so All three do have some "wiggle". The thing that Mays Excells in is his Vert., 41 Inches.....Holy mother of Zeus!!! At 230 lbs!...dude has some hops.....Moore and AOA register "only" 35" there....ho hum....

Now the biggest knock on Mays was his "lack of Ball Awareness". Which may be true as he only recorded 5 INTs during his 4 years....However he did record 15 pass breakups...so there is that... not saying that is great or anything...but it does show some potential.....

The great thing is he is about 10-15 lbs off what Dallas uses for its ILBs...so he could conceivably fill one of two spots. SS (paired with AOA...think about the speed there) or he MIght be able to bulk up a little more and fill out as a "Nickel Backer"...and we all know Dallas's issues with the ILB's...just saying....

And you know Rob wouldn't mind another blitzer off the edge.....

Now Like I said in my Introduction I think Dallas should "Investigate" this. San Fran could use a Good Backup for Gore and Choice is a good All around back.....plus Choice is a Free agent next year so We will probably let him go then...Why not see if San Fran wouldn't go for the swap? if not NO big deal...if they do take it...MMMMM Could Mays be the Ansah?

(Update)

I have noticed that some are thinking that Mays could be a Hybrid SS/LB here in Dallas....well Rob could use another LB, and Bruce Carter is probably a year away from getting any significant amount of reps so why not? I posted Mays' measurables along with AOA and Rahim Moore's...so here is BTB favorite Sean Lee:

College: Penn State     Number: 45
Height: 6-2   Weight: 236
Position: ILB  Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2010
40 Time: 4.71      40 Low: 4.60   40 High: 4.80
Projected Round: 2  Stock:

High: 2 Low: 3-4
Rated number 2 out of 125 ILB's 63 / 1992 TOTAL

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6021 Weight: 236 40 Yrd Dash: 4.71 20 Yrd Dash: 2.63 10 Yrd Dash: 1.61	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24 Vertical Jump: 37 1/2 Broad Jump: 10'00" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: No shuttles or 3-cone, back - 40 Time Range: 4.71-4.80	Dates: 03/17/10 Height: 6021 Weight: 236 40 Yrd Dash: 4.60 20 Yrd Dash: 2.63 10 Yrd Dash: 1.54	225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.16 3-Cone Drill: 6.89

So lets see how Mays compares to Lee shall we?

Size- 6' 3" 230 lbs(Mays to 6' 2" 236(Lee)- Well this is for all those that would say that Mays is too small to play ILB...Lee is about average for a Dallas ILB, so while Mays may be on the small side, He should be more than capable of playing there(see below)

40 yard dash- 4.31(Mays)-4.60(Lee) Mays all the way..Even using Lee's Pro day result, Mays absolutely smokes Lee in straight line speed. Also his ten and 20 yard splits are well above Lee's so he does have better acceleration

225 bench press- equal here...Mays is just as strong as Lee which goes to the fact that he would be more than capable manning inside.

Vertical Jump- 41" (Mays) to 37.5" (Lee) Again Mays beats out Lee by a significant margin(remember Lee weighed in at 236 for the combine so there isn't a huge weight difference)

Broad Jump- 10'5" (Mays) to 10"(Lee)- A good Conformation of the Vertical, Mays does have an edge in "explosion" over Lee

Short Shuttle-Now Neither one performed either the Short shuttle at the Combine so we have to use their pro day results which are 4.24 (Mays) 4.16 (Lee). Now this does show that Mays is "stiff in the hips" compared to Lee. Although a little more research shows that 4.24 SS is fairly comparable to most ILBs his(Mays') size.

3-cone drill- 6.98(Mays) to 6.89(Lee) Again Lee shows that he is more agile than Mays, which confirms the SS. Oh and if you all are wondering How Mays compares to an "elite" ILB...Here is Patrick Willis:

College: Mississippi     Number: 49
Height: 6-1   Weight: 242
Position: ILB  Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2007
40 Time: 4.51      40 Low: 4.48   40 High: 4.54
Projected Round: 1  Stock:

Rated number 1 out of 91 ILB's 12 / 2344 TOTAL

Combine Results		Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6011 Weight: 242 40 Yrd Dash: 4.51 20 Yrd Dash: 2.62 10 Yrd Dash: 1.53	225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22 Vertical Jump: 39 Broad Jump: 09'11" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.46 3-Cone Drill: 7.23	Dates: 03/20/07 Height: 6011 Weight: 242 40 Yrd Dash: 4.37 20 Yrd Dash: 2.54 10 Yrd Dash: 1.52	225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.37 3-Cone Drill: 7.10

After all this research I really think that Mays is playing out of position...Some team (hopefully Dallas) is going to take a chance and get a really good ILB.....While Dallas does have several Safeties that are looking like they will pan out, ILB is a different story...Getting Mays and allowing him to move to the ILB spot could go a long way to shoring up our depth there...let me know what you guys think in the Comments

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Yes, Choice doesn't fit here and Mays might have some potential

203 votes

NO, Choice is Emmitt re-visited, and Mays is Roy Willaims(either one) revisited

54 votes

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nothin’ ventured…nothin gained

by Jes2red on Aug 4, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions

Are you serious?

Taylor Mays sucks. The only reason he did good in USC is because he had the LBs of doom in Matthews, Cushing, and Maualuga. His last year at USC, they where exposed…Bad.

F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...

by Holchr31 on Aug 4, 2011 6:33 PM CDT reply actions

well we have D-Ware Ratliff and Rob Ryan

I am sure the last one wouyldn’t mind having a S/LB hyrib that can stop the run and blitz….

Here’s a theoretical play from last year: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions

+100000000000000

by somebodyquiet on Aug 4, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Well he was behind Willis and Lawson and he still sucked

Vince been here less than a month and already done ****ed up
smh (dream team)

by allmaddenking on Aug 5, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Have you ever actually watched lawson play?

Guy is as soft as bobby carpenter

by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 1:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

I agree with the above posters. Going after Mays would be a terrible idea!!! He was terrible his last year in college. He has been terrible so far in the NFL.

We just signed two veterans to the same spot he would play. We have 3 young safeties currently behind 2 veterans. That does not leave room for this guy. Someone else would have to be cut and I’m sorry but this guy is not worth losing one of our other young safeties over. Plus why are the 49ers giving up on him so quick??? This is a terrible idea.

by livemontana on Aug 5, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions

so you'd keep

Mccray, church, sendejo, and AOA over Mays?

Maybe Sendejo and AOA. but the other two will never be more than ST guys.
Jury is still out on Mays.

by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't mind that trade.

I like our backs without Mays and Choice doesn’t seem to be what JG wants here. If all else fails he’s gone (as I think would’ve been next year anyways)

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by Jeremiah_24 on Aug 4, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions

I don't know if I would make that particular trade, but I wouldn't be mad if we did so I said yes.

I’d rather give them a 4th rounder or something, given the injury history of our RBs. I would hate for Jones/Murray to go down and not have Choice around to step in.

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by TXHC on Aug 4, 2011 6:38 PM CDT reply actions

Phillip Tanner and Lonyae Miller

I keep hearing great things about these guys and Stephen Jones was quoted as saying that “Choice really needs to get back on the field” in the DMN. These two are impressing on offense and are both a much better fit on special teams than Choice is supposedly. That is the reason Choice is mostly on notice, because he is not much of a special teamer.

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by ProBowlFactory on Aug 4, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions

i say

we keep our rbs and IF we trade throw a 5th or 6th this year, plus a 5th or 6th next year. if not, we’re fine w/o him.

Go Cowboys

by dsmith12 on Aug 4, 2011 6:52 PM CDT reply actions

What do the salaries look like? Are they comparable?

by Nickthegrip on Aug 4, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions

So...

is it safe to say that with all of the strange formations Ryan uses that a tweener type would be more valuable than in other defenses? I’m very intrigued by the possibility of Miller, but I don’t know enough about Mays to say if he is worth Choice.

by Satch30 on Aug 4, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions

A trade for Choice makes sense to me.

I would not give up future draft picks, but swapping Choice looks to be a lot better deal than, oh, swapping Barbie for Barron.

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by Tom Ryle on Aug 4, 2011 7:18 PM CDT reply actions

Jerry has stated

That we aren’t done in FA. I think Choice is gone but I could see us getting a pick for him and then using that in a package for a CB. While I think Newman can make it back, leg injuries especially for older players always seem to linger.

by aubatron2011 on Aug 4, 2011 7:22 PM CDT reply actions

Why

Is San Fran tyrying to trade this guy? I see neon warning signs flashing everywhere. Am I the only one?

by youpokedthebear on Aug 4, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions

Former Stanford head coach, former USC player. Any questions?

Seriously, there are a ton of red flags there, and any team would be crazy to give up more than a 5th-round pick for him.

by greatwhitenorth on Aug 4, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions

old regime's player

is the only explanation i can come up with…aside from him being an absolute invalid in training camp (which i haven’t heard either way)

Go Cowboys

by dsmith12 on Aug 4, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions

We effing just got rid of Roy Williams (safety)

why would we trade for the same player? Cowboys fans make me wonder sometimes.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Aug 4, 2011 7:56 PM CDT reply actions

Ya... definitely ya

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by Mojoness on Aug 4, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions

If you can trade a low enough pick,

Or a player that many feel may be cut after camp, then why not give Mays a shot? this is a position of need for the Cowboys, and having this guy around to test him out seems like a good idea. With Sensabaugh and Elam here, I don’t believe anyone is advocating giving the job to the guy, but taking a look can’t hurt.

Remember last year when people were trying to get the Cowboys to use their first or second round pick on this guy?

by Nickthegrip on Aug 4, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions

The Alan Ball experience

has effectively wiped clean any memories of previous horrific safety play from the minds of most fans. We now joyfully latch onto any player with a hope of mediocrity at the safety position…

by greatwhitenorth on Aug 4, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

+1

if we’re gonna trade choice, trade him for something else

by somebodyquiet on Aug 4, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions

We effing just got rid of Roy Williams (safety) why would we trade for the same player?

Roy Williams: 5 pro-bowls, 1st team all-pro. Yeh, why would you consider a guy like that when you’ve Alan Ball.

And frankly Mays has the potential to be the Roy 2.0 upgrade. He’s bigger and faster.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 4, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions

and to be clear, I don’t love Mays.

I just think it’s totally misguided to say ‘Player X is like Roy Williams, therefore you shouldn’t be interested in Player X’

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 4, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Why is it misguided?

if a player is similar to a crappy player, that raise a pretty big red flag.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Aug 5, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions

Dude are you really that deluded that you can't admit that Roy Williams played god awful his last few years here?

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Aug 5, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, but if you could trade Tashard Choice for the production we did get

from Roy Willy, over his career…would you not do it?

I mean, the last few years sucked…the first few were amazing.

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by markdamack on Aug 5, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions

+1

Don’t forget that he was a Pro Bowler and was one in 2007, a year before his release.

by ProBowlFactory on Aug 5, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions

saved me the trouble of answering

I mean, the last few years sucked…the first few were amazing.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 5, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions

If we could trade Choice, it should be for someone a little (or a lot) better than Mays

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by silverblue5 on Aug 5, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Lol, I don't know what you expect to get for Choice

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by markdamack on Aug 5, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Dude are you really that ~~deluded~~ senile that you can’t ~~admit~~ remember only ~~that Roy Williams played god awful~~ his last few years here?

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 5, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions

thank you!

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 5, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions

You are one of the best posters on this site

No one could accuse you of not knowing football.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 6, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

That goes for Fan Think and Thin and ChiaCrack.

Both of them really know football.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 6, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

thanks bro

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 6, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

word

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 6, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Roy Williams was a pretty good player overall

It would not be an understatement to say Roy Williams was very over rated. He probably got to 5 probowls by laying out receivers instead of covering them.

Still he was a pretty good player.

If the Cowboys got another Roy Williams that would be pretty good.

Receivers might burn the Cowboys a lot but they wouldn’t want to go over the middle either.

He would be good in run support 2.

If it only costs a 5th round pick go for it.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 6, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

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by silverblue5 on Aug 5, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions

choice for mays and a late round pick

by ratware on Aug 4, 2011 8:18 PM CDT reply actions

I'm on record in other threads as affirmative

This trade would make sence. SF needs a dependable backup. We need a young safety because both of our starters will be UFA’s next year so we’ll have to get a safety anyway.

Choice is too good to remain here unless we make him a starter so I’m sure he’s gone after this year as an UFA.

So, if we can get something for choice now it beats letting him walk after this year. Besides, Mays can play ST for us this year. Choice won’t do anything except steal oxygen from contributing players unless Jones and Murray get injured. However, we have Tanner who could also be our short yardage back ST and 3rd running Back.

This is a no brainer

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by scout06 on Aug 4, 2011 8:45 PM CDT reply actions

One question:

Can he be coached up? If that seems certain, then yes. If it’s shaky, no.

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by Tom Ryle on Aug 4, 2011 9:08 PM CDT reply actions

the thing is though Piney

if the trade goes down (TC for Mays) what has Dallaslost? nothing really…a back up RB that soesn’t seem to fit what Garrett wants to do on offense, and doesn’t really fit on ST’s. They gain a great STer(you can’t say that Mays wouldn’t excel at Flying down the field and blasting the Ball Carrier) and a potentially great safety….at worse we upgrade one spot on ST…at best, we have 2 fast(4.3 speed), physical Safeties to wreak Havoc over the Middle…..Win Win for Dallas IMO

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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions

I would have to see what we could get for Choice before doing this trade.

I would probably only trade a seventh (if that) for Mays, so if Choice can fetch higher than that, then I don’t make this trade.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Aug 4, 2011 9:35 PM CDT reply actions

We already have one project safety - AOA

How many project players can you have at one position? Pass. Pass. Pass.

Find talent yourselves, don’t live off the scraps of other teams…….. or you’ll become the Dolphins Cowphins!

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 4, 2011 9:50 PM CDT reply actions

didnt we just sign sensi and elam

so mays would be a back up and ST beast.

id take mays over church and mccray

by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions

But you have to trade to get him, you have to give up something valuable

and I don’t want to give up a legitimately good player like Choice or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for a project safety that flamed out with his first team.

The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 5, 2011 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions

Im almost positive

Choice will sign somewhere else when he’s a FA. And I agree, i wouldnt offer more than a 4th or 5th for him

by howboutdemcowboyz on Aug 5, 2011 7:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Wouldn't be a bad acquisition, but

the more I think about it the more inclined I am to think we should sit tight a few weeks to see what injuries occur, both on our roster and on others. If we have an injury at RB, Choice will be needed. If other teams have injuries at RB, Choice becomes more valuable. After a very busy week around the league, it seems that 1-2 weeks of patience would be prudent right now to let rosters settle, inuries occur and see who has holes and players to match our players and needs.

by Kansas Cowboy on Aug 4, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions

after reading the San Fransisco Chronicle

I’m not interested

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by AustonianAggie on Aug 5, 2011 12:08 AM CDT reply actions

what did it say?

by death of the cool on Aug 5, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions

link?

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by TXHC on Aug 5, 2011 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions

No to Mays

From the reading I’ve done on him, he was replaced midway thru the season last year due to his lack of coverage ability. No ability to change direction in coverage and was worse than mediocre at ST duty.

by TruBluToTheCore on Aug 5, 2011 2:22 AM CDT reply actions

Whos the San Fran D-coordinator?

Or DB Coach for that matter?

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by markdamack on Aug 5, 2011 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions

bingo

by livemontana on Aug 5, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions

good stuff Ironman

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 5, 2011 7:15 AM CDT reply actions

thanks Chia....

to be frank I only put this up because we had TWO “fanshot” posts on the subject……

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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 6, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions

rec'd it, shocked it didnt rec more

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 6, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I would take that trade in a microsecond

Choice is definitely leaving when he becomes a free agent, and a third RB is only so valuable to a team.

Mays, on the other hand, is one year removed from being a high second rounder, and he has all the physical tools to succeed in the NFL. I would think that a switch to SS would benefit him quite a bit. And with both starting safeties being free agents in their 30s next year, it is definitely time to start looking for replacements. If Mays proves to be a competent starter, he could be a steal.

by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Aug 5, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions

go for it

No one is impressed with choice and we are going to let him go next year anyway!we should grab some depth on defense! We may need it in the playoffs(cross my fingers)

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by rodeocowboy on Aug 6, 2011 3:21 AM CDT reply actions

Mays = Bruce Carter

Mays as an Inside linebacker, maybe even outside

Mays is faster than Von Miller and just about as big

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 6, 2011 3:39 PM CDT reply actions

Well to that point

While MAys may be faster but Miller is much more Agile…as in Ware like Agility….plus Miller weiged in at 246lbs….

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by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 6, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions

this is what i have been saying about Mays

Mays as a hybrid player

who says a hybrid LB/S wouldn’t be used alot in this scheme? I think it would be a great idea
just because a guy doesnt start doesnt mean he isnt valuable, ala the slot CB plays 40-60 percent of the snaps

a hybrid LB/S in Ryan’s system would see the field quite a bit

just saying

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by Archie Barberio on Aug 6, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't even say Hybrid...

He IS an ILB….period…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 6, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Mays= Bruce Carter

So Mays + Sean Lee = Bruce Lee

Since Choice is leaving you gotta make the trade.

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 6, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions

Why?

It looks like Choice does not figure in the Cowboys plans, so why not get something for him? That said surely there has to be someone out there that is more than a project? Mays has not shown enough to be considered anything more than that. He’s not played well at safety and is not a linebacker. Surely we have enough question marks without trading for another? If we are to trade Choice lets look to get more of a proven commodity.

by Workingtonian on Aug 6, 2011 5:59 PM CDT reply actions

not a LB you say?

dude look who he compares to…Sean Lee and Patrick Willis…one is considered the best ILB in the game and one might take that spot from him….

Seriously dude open you mind…just because a player has never played a position before doesn’t mean they can’t play it…

and as far as the question marks are concerned I am not saying start him…give him the Reps that Bruce Carter would have got….thus allowing him to fully heal if He doesn’t work out fine BC can take his place…but if he does…..ILB just went from a weakness to a strength …

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 6, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Well, it doesn’t mean he can play it either. I actually don’t think it’s a terrible idea, provided Miller plays well in real competition, but I don’t think we can assume anything about Mays. Does he have the physical tools to play backer? Sure, but so do a lot of guys. If he doesn’t have the mindset, or the skill set, or the instincts/intangibles/etc. then I dunno how much can be accomplished by coaching.

It’s actually a really interesting experiment, but trading Choice for a mad scientist-esque science experiment doesn’t make me feel very good. I was actually pulling for us to draft Mays though, if he dropped far enough, so I’d still like to see him here. I’d just rather give up a 5 or 6 for him rather than a proven commodity, even if that commodity isn’t terribly valuable.

by spm01 on Aug 6, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Nice post nonetheless though, enjoyed reading it and mulling it over.

by spm01 on Aug 6, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions

the thing is

you say Choice is a “proven commodity”…but what would we get for him…a 6-7th rounder maybe? How is that any different than Mays?

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Aug 6, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I heard the Cowboy kind of liked Mays last year. They might have looked at him in round 2

by Jonathan Stern on Aug 6, 2011 6:24 PM CDT reply actions

Why don't we just keep all 4 RB's

2 of those RB’s don’t have an NFL carry.All four combined make about 2 mil less than Barber did.I think you could line Murray up as a slot WR when he gets healthy or put Felix there.We don’t really have a good slot WR.If the Niners are willing to give up on this guy after a year and say he can’t move laterally well enough to play S,I don’t want the guy.I thought about the nickle LB slot for Mays but how come the Niners haven’t done it?You know, I didn’t like those picks of Carter and Murray at the time and I still don’t like them.We need immediate impact players right now.

by Quest For Six on Aug 10, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions