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nice read, thanks for putting it up. Further supports the perception > reality theory, and not just for Romo… The data suggests that Rodgers is much more of a choker, but win a SB and suddenly your an elite gamer regardless of what the data suggests…

Not saying that Rodgers isn’t good, but I much prefer the approach of “present the data and then make your conclusions based upon available facts”. I will need dig in and analyse this data a bit further when I can find the time.

by TheCowboyWay on Sep 15, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Tony Romo deserves better than Dallas fans

He really does. I love the Cowboys, but man oh man do we have some halfwit (supposed) fans.

If the fans boo him out of town, I really hope he goes to a contender and wins a SB. I just hope it’s not another NFCE team.

by Dezstroyer88 on Sep 15, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

These are the same fans that booed Troy Aikman off the field in 2000

He was struggling that year and Randall Cunningham came in for him a couple of times and had some success. Therefore, all of a sudden, Randall was better than Troy. WTF.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Sep 15, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The vast majority of Cowboys fans are idiots.

I hate to say it but it’s the truth.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 20, 2011 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fantastic article

Its interesting that the narrative of “choke artist” began after the 2007 playoff loss to the Seattle. After all, Tony is the one who got them in position to win that game. Moreover, during the 2006 season, he was very good in the clutch.

Let’s face it. Retired NFL players run the national media’s agenda. And most of them are just straight up cowboys haters (I mean how in the hell does Steve Young have any credibility when talking about a cowobys player when the cowboys are the reason he lost 2 NFC championship games). This is why Tony gets the treatment he gets. And even if he does win a SB, they will find a way to discount it.

The Steelers on the other hand are the league’s darlings. Thus, Roethelessberger can play like sh*t for 2 out of 3 SBs and he gets considered an elite QB.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Sep 15, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Its interesting that the narrative of "choke artist" began after the 2007 playoff loss to the Seattle.

first impressions tend to last.

what’s great about that article is the reminder that Terry Glenn choked to put Dallas in that position. Goalline fumble that led to a safety and FG.

You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 15, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

No joke.. Not to mention....

Can you imagine what the media would do to Romo if he ever had rape allegations toward him? Wow.. Just wow.. I can’t even fathom.

by Dezstroyer88 on Sep 15, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry.

That is NEVER going to happen. Romo is one of the most solid dudes around.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 20, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

The things I remember about the Seattle loss are

That despite picking up defensive backs off the street, including Cowboy castoff Pete Hunter, Parcells appeared to greatly restrict the passing game. He averaged 31 attempts in his 10 2006 starts, and threw 26 passes before his last ditch Hail Mary’s, so there is some evidence of that.

That Jason Witten appeared to have the first down only to have it overturned, forcing the disastrous FG attempt, and

Even after Romo fumbled the sanp Seattle faced a 3rd and 6 from their own 5 yard line but Sean Alexander burst through Roy Williams for a 20 yard gain to convert.

And finally, something tells me that even if Romo had executed the snap perfectly and Grammatica put the Cowboys ahead 23-21, there would have still been plenty of time left for the Seahawks to march downfield and for Josh Brown to nail the game-winner.

ps. I had almost forgotten about Glenn’s ridiculous play for a safety. That play is essentially how Glenn will always be remembered as a Cowboy, as he missed almost the entire 2007 season, played mediocre against the Giants in the playoff game, and was in fact the target for Romo’s last pass which was intercepted.

by DavidH22 on Sep 15, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

You know what, though? Glenn barely gets remembered at all. That's why it's

all put on Romo. I’ve watched with fascination as other players have gotten passes while Romo gets the labels. Yeah, yeah, I’m sure I’ll be told it’s ‘cause he’s the QB. Lazy thinking and scapegoating is always easier. I just with the mediots, who are paid to think more carefully, actually would.

by Fernie67 on Sep 15, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Its true

for all Romo’s memorable 4th quarter losses, there is usually another culprit. Terry Glenn. Terrance Newman and an awful punt in the Pitt game. The ST letdown will be forgotten in this game I’m sure.

I honestly did forget about Glenn. But I’ve never put much stock int that play anyway. Not while he was great for us in clutch situations in 06, 07 and half of 08.

by foyesboys on Sep 15, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but I'll always remember Glenn as "she"...

…regardless of what team he played on.

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by silverblue5 on Sep 16, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

excuses excuses..

It’s getting hard to believe that this team has one playoff win since what 97?

While JJ stacks and stacks this team with talent..

Brady threw for over 500 yards Sunday with only jags..

There is a reason y Brady is Brady and Romo is Romo..

by lostar2009 on Sep 15, 2011 1:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

oh who was the qb in 97-00?

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player

by thebigham on Sep 15, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

troy and bunch of scrubs..then add in bledsoe and Romo past PA..

I’m just saying its getting hard to believe with all these so call stars on this team we can only get one playoff win..

by lostar2009 on Sep 15, 2011 2:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

im not looking for sb wins every even tho i wish..

 But some playoff wins …not bouch efforts..

Y is it that no qb that played past Troy seen so much attention as Romo?

Because this team is already here..this is a playoff bound teAM.. Those past teams was garbage one sided..

This team is prime and ready…

by lostar2009 on Sep 15, 2011 2:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

you're wrong

The team gets attention because Romo is a great qb that puts them in position to win and they usually do under him.

We haven’t won many playoffs because we can’t stop anyone in the playoffs…our defense has sucked for a long time, thats not Romo’s fault.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 15, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Terry

Romo had 2 TD’s dropped in the Giants playoff game. Plus the defense couldn’t stop a 3rd down pass to save their lives, especially in the drive right before the half.

The Vikings game even Tom Brady wouldn’t have won behind our OL.

Every single year our defense and OL collapsed at the end of the season and in the playoffs. You don’t think Romo running for his life contributes to some of the things he’s done?

"Be great today" - Jason Garrett

by mhuff13 on Sep 15, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe that's why we have a more athletic OL now

get into the playoffs and we’ll see how they do in games 17, 18, 19…

by scraig on Sep 15, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 20, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Romo has a job to do, do your job, he didn't do it... this time

Believe in him… he will do it in SF… this team will not focus on game 3 yet, not with Rob and Jason running things.

Let’s see how they do in SF. Romo will be better in the 4th quarter. He’ll take better care of the football.

Remember he’s fumbled as many as 13 times in a season, so this is average for him. In 2009 I think he only fumbled 4 times so lets see how long it is before he turns the ball over again.

by scraig on Sep 15, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know what scraig i kinda forgot how many times Romo fumble..

In 2007 he fumble but still manage to make a big play off it.. In 2008 and up the magic went away and it only hurt Dallas.

This “fumble” issue has always plague Romo..He is an Adrian Peterson ..great at his platoon but is known to turn over the ball..As a qb u can not do that..

by lostar2009 on Sep 15, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

40 fumbles that most likely change field position..

Yea 17 was lost the guy fumble 40 times ..

Tiss Tiss Tiss ..

Then u got to look at the games he miss in 2008 and the majority of the season he miss in 2010..

by lostar2009 on Sep 15, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Staubach was a massive fumbler

he holds the NFL record for most Super Bowl fumbles, with 5 in 4 games

by DavidH22 on Sep 16, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Staubach had a little help

on those two Super Bowl teams. Like Duane Thomas and Tony Dorsett as his main running backs, Bob Hayes and Drew Pearson as his main wideouts, and Bob Lilly and Randy White anchoring the D-Lines. I suppose the only consistent players between the 71 and 77 squads were HOFers like T Rayfield Wright and S Mel Renfro.

During those six games in the 71 and 77 playoffs, the defense allowed 41 points TOTAL. Basically a touchdown a game. And while Staubach was effective, his final numbers 112-68-703-6-2 (89.3 rating) show that he just had to be a bus driver on All-Time Great teams.

by DavidH22 on Sep 16, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

this makes no sense
As a qb u can not do that..

No position should be doing this!

Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad

by Cowboys_Attack on Sep 17, 2011 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was in the middle

of posting a long rebuttal to the Romo choke theme yesterday when I knocked over my laptop trying to do something else. Karma is such a bitch. This article was excellent, Romo is no better/worse than a couple of other Top tier QB’s but somehow suffers a far worse perception. Dan Graziano’s comment on the ESPN NFC East Blog MON was however spot on – Romo has given his critics exactly the fodder they seek in finding fault with his game. At least they won’t have to resort to the typical, impossible-to-refute ‘intangibles’ – how he wears his hat, girlfriends, golf, focus, leadership, body posture as well as the state of the economy.

The Morton/White comparisons are made by those who already have arrived at a conclusion on the TR stewardship of the Cowboys. However, its the Roger/Troy shadow that is the most unfair. At the very least there was far more organizational stability. Further – #12 had 1 HC/1 OC(who happened to be the same guy); Troy – 2 and 2 in the championship years, although you could argue Zampese was 1a to Turner at OC. Romo is on his 3rd HC, 3rd OC and I believe Parcells with his completely risk-averse style was the worst HC Romo could have had in his early, formative years as a player. It was largely S Peyton that developed and promoted Romo while under BP – his O seems to have performed OK in NO.

Now the final twisted logic is comparing Romo to all time greats – contemporaries or otherwise^^^ He isn’t Manning or Brady – absolutely agree. Neither are the other 300QBS that have come into the league since they did. None of this excuses the absolute frustration over Romo’s miscues SUN – they were critical, damaging and contributed largely to a failure to close what could have been a signature win for DAL. Good thing we get to play 15 more times to overcome it.

Dont fret about whats lost, embrace/appreciate what's given

by tdships on Sep 15, 2011 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a good post.
However, its the Roger/Troy shadow that is the most unfair. At the very least there was far more organizational stability. Further – #12 had 1 HC/1 OC(who happened to be the same guy); Troy – 2 and 2 in the championship years, although you could argue Zampese was 1a to Turner at OC. Romo is on his 3rd HC, 3rd OC and I believe Parcells with his completely risk-averse style was the worst HC Romo could have had in his early, formative years as a player. It was largely S Peyton that developed and promoted Romo while under BP – his O seems to have performed OK in NO.

Not to mention, as has often been pointed out, though more often not heeded by Romo’s harshest critics, in no way, shape, or form has Romo had the talent backing him that Aikman and Stauback had. I say this as someone who believes that the talent on this team over the last few years has been highly overrated. Some stars, yes, but some huge gaping holes, too, and far more than the teams of the 70s and 90s had at their heights. Start with the O line and work your way over to the D (this ain’t no Doomsday—yet—and hasn’t been for a very long time). I think Romo’s curse is that he raised hope and expectation, and there’s nothing worse than dashed hopes.

by Fernie67 on Sep 15, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agree - JJ's 'Stars and Scrubs' approach

has largely failed.

Dont fret about whats lost, embrace/appreciate what's given

by tdships on Sep 16, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well Jerry is a buffoon.

But that’s a whole other issue.

"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel

by TXHC on Sep 20, 2011 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

good point

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Sep 20, 2011 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

This article is great

I think I’m going to need to e-mail it to like 50 people immediately.

I made a few posts about Romo’s play in 2010 in the 4th quarter, but going back and looking at the game logs, the offense was a total mess. Penatlies galore in the Redskins game. A big penalty or two in the Bears game. Stupid stupid players in the Titans game, not to mention no D.

I will say that right now, this team has a 4th quarter problem, but I was wrong to put it even mostly on Romo.

One thing that really annoys me is the way the media (and some cowboys fans) play this all off as statistics. Romo had a very good W-L record, and many of those wins are due directly to him (and quite a few losses too). Don’t those stats matter?

by foyesboys on Sep 15, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I was doing a review of the 23 losses with Romo as starter

which is essentially a season and a half worth of games, and I found that the Cowboys allowed 5 special teams TDs (plus a couple long KO returns that didn’t score) and made just 71% of their FGs during that span (league average is 83%).

I also calculated that the offense ran for exactly 81 yards per game in those 23 contests. Take away the 251 they gained against the 33-31 loss to the Giants in 2009 and it goes down to 71 yards rushing per game.

Has Romo blown some games virtually by himself? Yup, by my calculation 5-6 of them. But I bet most NFL Hall of Fame QBs have, even guys named Staubach and Aikman. But they had much better teams.

by DavidH22 on Sep 15, 2011 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

not so sure about that... that 2007 team rivals any of them

and that defence lost Kevin Smith at a bad time in ’95

by scraig on Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

How so?

Because 2007 was one of our worst years secondary wise. Anyone remember Jacque Reeves?

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
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by Rat-Pack on Sep 15, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're absolutely crazy dude

The 2007 team wasn’t even in the same universe as the teams Aikman and Staubach played on…..not even remotely close to being as good.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 16, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You had to say that name?!

Jaque Reeves I had just pushed him outta my mind THANKS Rat-Pack

Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad

by Cowboys_Attack on Sep 17, 2011 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it's probably even higher

like 9…To wit:

2006 against Detroit
2007 against Eagles
2008 at Pittsburgh
2009 against Giants
2009 at Denver
2009 at Green Bay
2010 against Titans
2010 against Minnesota
2011 at NY Jets

Don’t worry, Terry, I am a card-carrying Romosexual and I know he’s “won” more games for the Cowboys than he “lost.” Just sayin’ the guy has made some prime time mistakes that directly cost Dallas games.

by DavidH22 on Sep 15, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

wrong

no way he lost all those games by himself, thats crazy nonsense

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 16, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

2011 at NY Jets

Special Teams lost that game.

Roger: Hey, with this mortar launcher, we can get back at the kid who went all Tom Sizemore on your eye!
Steve: Oh, I wish I could get back at him. I'm gonna dress up as a girl and get him to have sex with me and then say "Ha! I'm not a girl! You just had sex with a boy that hates you!"
Roger: Yes, let's leave that plan between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you.
American Dad

by Cowboys_Attack on Sep 17, 2011 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta say

its tough to blame Romo too much for some of these. 2007 Eagles, 2009 GB, 2010 Titans, and 2010 Minnesota – he had plenty of help. The 2010 Titans game, he played great for almost all of it but Martellus Bennet let him down and he had a really awful pass at the end. The INT in the Minny game was a great defensive play that just happens sometimes. He played pretty well for most of that game. If we don’t give up that td return, I’m not sure Minny is even in it.

5 sounds reasonable.

by foyesboys on Sep 17, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The premise of the article is flawed

Once again…

THERE’S MORE THAN A QUARTERBACK ON A FOOTBALL TEAM.

Why is it that “Tony Romo” has a record in those games and not the Dallas Cowboys. I’m sure the defense, special teams, coaches, the other 10 players on offense, and hell even the refs had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the end result of those games.

On the other end of the spectrum, I guess the Giants defense and the Steelers defense had absolutely nothing to do with the Giants and Steelers winning Super Bowls.

It’s absurd.

"Be great today" - Jason Garrett

by mhuff13 on Sep 15, 2011 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

A perfect example is the 2010 Redskins game
Washington added a field goal (13-7), leaving Romo with 1:45, three timeouts and 81 yards to go. Romo converted a 4th-and-10 with a 30 yard pass down to the WAS 13. After two incompletions, Romo had just one play left. He scrambled to his right and threw a touchdown pass to Roy Williams, but a holding penalty on Alex Barron negated the play, and the game was over.

But Romo was 0-1? Seriously?

"Be great today" - Jason Garrett

by mhuff13 on Sep 15, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you make a good point. I still like the gist of the article, but the language

could be refined a bit, since his point is to debunk the notion that some losses chalked up to Romo are necessarily his fault.

by Fernie67 on Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, yea

if Romo ran to the other side of the field ….. Barron wouldn’t have to hold!!! Duh!!!

(note sarcasm)

formerly "what_the_crap"

by Dub_TC on Sep 15, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The TEAM has a loser mentality.

That’s what need’s to change.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Sep 15, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly...

a lot longer than the team’s in many cases.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Sep 16, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It was Tashard Choice and Alex Barron that was HUGELY responsible for that opening day loss to Washington in 2010.

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by silverblue5 on Sep 16, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent!

"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)

by BishopWest on Sep 16, 2011 12:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Has there been any question as to why

Romo didn’t do the safe QB slide on the infamous play? Was it just impossible to do?

by DavidH22 on Sep 16, 2011 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

he was trying to score

otherwise just take the sack or throw the ball away. You don’t slide that close to the goal line.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 16, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

In defense of Romo's critics -

I, too, think Romo can lead us to a Super Bowl. But, c’mon, those were two absolutely bonehead plays. The first, we can forgive for effort, even though the smart play was to cover up the ball and assure yourself of a two score lead. Coaching was just as much a problem, as they had first and goal at the five and could have run three times, kicked a fg if they didn’t get the TD and burned up to 2 minutes off the clock.
   The second mistake was unforgiveable. There was not a lot of pressure on Romo, Bryant was hurt and clearly double-covered. Romo threw the ball up on a wing and a prayer and the best CB in the league was handed a gift.
   That second play solidified his reputation as a gunslinger. And I’ll take a smart QB over a gunslinger any day. Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl. Emphasis on “a”, ie, one. He was just as likely to throw an int as to throw a gamewinning TD. Sorry, I’ll take the smart QB who protects the ball over the gunslinger.

  All that said, Romo is not one of the Cowboys major problems (the worst one signs the checks) and I can’t name ten QBs in the league I’d trade for him straight up. He’s like that pretty babe who might show you the best time of your life on a date, but is just as likely to stand you up.

by Jayddrew on Sep 18, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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