Dallas Cowboys 2011 53 Man Roster V 1.0
by Tom Ryle on Sep 3, 2011 5:49 PM CDT
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This is your 2011 Dallas Cowboys lineup - well, until they make a free agent move or two. My best guesstimate for possible FA acquisition would be OL, and almost any defensive position if a good player shows up on the waiver wire. And they might bring eight or nine kickers through Valley Ranch.
Now that the final cut down is done, let's take a quick look at what we have.
[Projected starters in bold]
QB (3): Tony Romo, Jon Kitna, Stephen McGee
If Tony has a great year, the Cowboys will likely have one. Kitna is the backup for at least one more year. Hopefully, we won't need him. McGee gets one last chance to show that he is at least backup material, if not more.
RB (4): Felix Jones, DeMarco Murray, Tashard Choice, Phillip Tanner
Top to bottom, this may be the strongest position on the team. Felix and DeMarco can strike from anywhere on the field, whether rushing or receiving.
WR (5): Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Kevin Ogletree, Jesse Holley, Dwayne Harris
The best one-two punch in football, I think. The dropoff to #3 is pretty significant, but the backups are all pretty capable as a third WR.
TE: (4) Jason Witten, John Phillips, Martin Rucker, Martellus Bennett
Phillips, and to a letter extent, Rucker get a chance with Bennett out nursing his high ankle booboo. The team seems to be going heavy on offense and a little light on defense.
OL (10): Doug Free, Bill Nagy, Phil Costa, Kyle Kosier, Tyron Smith, Montrae Holland, David Arkin, Kevin Kowalski, Jeremy Parnell, Sam Young
Cowboys keep 10, which is a bit of a surprise. Here is where it gets interesting. Since Holland seems to have cemented his backup role, the Cowboys now have a greater need for a backup tackle. Parnell has great potential, but can you really put him on the field now? Look to him to be a placeholder while the team searches for a good swing backup tackle as the cut lists come out. The question then becomes what happens to him next. I'm not sure about his practice squad eligibility. KD quoted the rules here, and I don't know where Parnell stands with regards to an accrued season and games on the active roster. If he is not eligible, then the Cowboys might think about keeping Parnell on the active roster and trying to stash Kowalski on the PS or dump Young, although KK's performance in the past two games might make him a tempting target for another team.
Now you know why they pay coaches the big bucks.
DL (7): Marcus Spears, Jay Ratliff, Jason Hatcher, Kenyon Coleman, Josh Brent, Sean Lissemore, Clifton Geathers
Rob Ryan is expected to do a lot of shuttling in and out with his line, so all these players should get a lot of time on the field. Geathers was one of KD's last guys in, and he might be vulnerable to replacement.
OLB (4): DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Victor Butler, Alex Albright
As Romo is to the offense, Ware is to the defense. Solid top three players (despite the Anthony hate out there). Fourth guy here will also have to be better than what's available from other teams, or he becomes practice squad material.
ILB (3): Bradie James, Sean Lee, Keith Brooking
The issue will be when Bruce Carter can play again. This lineup is relying heavily on Keith. I like Brooking and think he has a future in coaching, if he wants it, but can his body still produce? If James or Lee get banged up and Keith has to play more snaps, the team may have a real issue. And when Carter does come back, what position gets cut?
CB (5): Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Alan Ball, Bryan McCann
I am making a prediction that Alan Ball will be seen as the Cowboys comeback player of the year, at least defensively, since Romo will also be talked about in that conversation (Break a collarbone and everyone is all impressed when you play well the next season). The biggest issue here is not the backups, it is the starters. Jerry was not happy about their injury situation. There might be some pretty good corners that don't make their teams' final rosters, and I think cutting TNew has at least crossed JJ's mind. The question is whether Garrett and Ryan are on the same page with him.
S (4): Abe Elam, Gerald Sensabaugh, Barry Church, Danny McCray
Sensabaugh looked pretty good in the preseason, and I think the safety position will be less of an issue than last year, although that is pretty faint praise. The question is how much improvement there is. AOA is one of those lightning rod players that always draws an argument about whether he is any good. Expect the discussion to continue.
ST (4): Mat McBriar, L.P. Ladoucer, David Buehler, Dan Bailey
Best punter/long snapper combo in the NFL. They didn't have one good kicker, I guess.
There you go. Now start combing the cuts out there and making your case for additional moves, or stand and defend these guys.
Right now, these 53 men wear the Star.
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Already some CBs that have been cut
Let the Shuffling begin! I think the roster is far from complete
two kickers, what a waste of spot
dan bailey is your kicker?, he’s not an upgrade over buehler
and sam young sucks as well, if you want to keep players who suck keep akwasi who at least has potential,
Why are they keeping Young?
I think that Jeremy Parnell was clearly the better one and can play both sides while Young plays RT only. Too many guys on the O-line. Didn’t understand Kowalski either. Nagy plays center (actually any position on the line but was a center in college) so why do you have 2 backup centers? I think we would have been good with 8 (Arkin, Parnell, and Holland as the backups)
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Sep 4, 2011 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that either of them have any future in the NFL
But certainly Young doesn’t.
We are really thin at tackle.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2011 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
You only need three and Parnell is a swing tackle, but I think Smith can slide over to LT in a pinch and Parnell takes the RT spot.
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by ProBowlFactory on Sep 4, 2011 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your second point
I’d rather have a free agent OL than Sam Young, since Parnell isn’t good enough yet to take too many snaps in the NFL.
However, I do think Bailey is an upgrade over Buehler as a field goal kicker. Buehler’s shown no signs of improvement and he’s been outplayed by Bailey in the preseason.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Sep 4, 2011 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions
looking for CBs
Joselio Hanson (late of Philadelphia) and Crezdon Butler (cut by Pittsburgh) were the first names on the cut wire to catch my attention.
Also still trying to get my head around Holland still having a spot.
Dutch played himself back on to the team in Miami.
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*Lumpy
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Brandon Ghee is also available.
Great speed, not so sure about his coverage skills though.
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Nope...2010
Which makes me leery if the Bengals have already given up on him. Maybe he needs a criminal record?LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
biggest mistake he made was not getting arrested
good citizen = short leash in Bengaland
Funny...but kind of true too.
If we pick up a corner, it should be someone with cover skills, and those guys usually aren’t on the waiver wire.
Who are you? And how did you get in here?
I'm a locksmith..and..I'm a locksmith. -- Frank Drebin.
Granted
They’ve gotten 3 solid seasons out of Tramon Williams, but what they did with Sam Shields last season borders on genius.
Who are you? And how did you get in here?
I'm a locksmith..and..I'm a locksmith. -- Frank Drebin.
Never said it was genius
When you can plug guys into your secondary and get them to do the job you need that just makes you a bit special. We seem to do that on the offense side of the ball, the Giants have picked up 4 UDFA linebackers and if they pan out that would be a positive for them.
Converting a college WR to CB is genius
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I'm a locksmith..and..I'm a locksmith. -- Frank Drebin.
Nobody else in the NFL has either.
He was actually converted by the Hurricanes, but he had all the physical gifts. He was just in trouble with the coach more than he was on the field as a WR. If he can stay out of trouble he’ll earn a starting CB spot for the Packers, and stay there for quite a while.
Who are you? And how did you get in here?
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There was supposed to be a link to KD's article that quoted the Practice Squad rules.
Here they are for reference:
Section 4. Eligibility:
(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Ac-crued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.
(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (For purposes of this Section, a bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in ques-tion.)
Section 5.
(From the 2011 NFL – NFLPA CBA)
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Doesn't Parnell only have 2 years in so far?
1 on NO’s PS, then last year we swiped him off of there but I doubt he was active on ours.
Young should also be available as I don’t think he was active for more then 9 games.
Thats cause in Madden no one kicks FGs lol
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Actually I do
But the thing is in Madden is that with Beuhler I was perfect every single season. I never missed, even with the crappiest kicker..
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by ProBowlFactory on Sep 4, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
no he doesn't he really doesn't
they are short and low..
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watch for Buehler to be used for long field goals too...anything over 50 is going to be his to shoot....he does have a good track record with those...
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Buehler is more reliable from 50 than he is from 30
At least, it seems that way to me. I don’t know what it is with him and short FGs.
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No
He has enough leg to reach the endzone more than half the time. And, he has gotten a couple touchbacks. But, most of his kickoffs get returned because he doesn’t have the leg to put much air under them. That doesn’t qualify as “plenty of leg” in my book.
Rabid and luvin' it
plus I'd hate to see him tackle...Buehler will flat lay you out....
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
the Denver game
Bailey against Denver:
D.Bailey kicks 65 yards from DAL 35 to end zone, Touchback.
D.Bailey kicks 70 yards from DAL 35 to DEN -5. C.Vaughn to DEN 14 for 19 yards (K.Cummings). Return middle of the field.
D.Bailey kicks 73 yards from DAL 35 to DEN -8. D.Anderson, Touchback.
D.Bailey kicks 67 yards from DAL 35 to DEN -2. P.Cox to DEN 12 for 14 yards (I.Greenhouse). Return left side of the field.
Ok I was wrong. All of his kicks made the endzone. I thought one was a little short.
by paul9933 on Sep 3, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Chargers game
D.Bailey kicks 64 yards from DAL 35 to SD 1. R.Goodman to SD 37 for 36 yards (J.Thomas).
D.Bailey kicks 67 yards from DAL 35 to SD -2. R.Goodman to SD 19 for 21 yards (B.Church).
Bailey wasn’t used on kickoffs against Minnesota and Miami.
I agree with Alpha.
by paul9933 on Sep 3, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ogletree has not impressed me as a no. 3
maybe a 5 but he is inconsistent and unfocused, esp. for the time he’s been here.
I think I would be looking for a true no. 3 cause what happens if we have an injury? I mean do you feel you can trust Ogletree?
Jesse Holley
Not a deep threat, but looked like a great possession receiver all through training camp.
Looking for Manny Johnson to make PS – he is the sixth best receiver right now, IMO.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
I fully understand
But I think Manny has one more year. I think.
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I'm concerned with WR depth, too.
The only really established veteran is Austin. Sure, Dez has a world of talent and we all expect huge things from him, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn’t proven it over a 16-game season yet.
I’d like to add a veteran who was cut today. Not sure who that should be yet.
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what do you need a vet for?
I am baffled… you need young guys to experience some how..
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I don't see a need here, either.
Holley seems underrated here, and I think Harris made the team in the Denver game and just didn’t get the playing time so the coaches could look at the other players.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
There is risk involved with young players. You can't be sure what you're going to get from them.
I agree with the way this team is getting younger overall, but it seems a bit excessive in some places on the roster, and WR is one of them. Ogletree at #3 seems to be asking a lot from him considering his thin NFL resume so far.
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Julio Jones or AJ Green have even thinner resumes yet you would take them instead?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Surely you see why that's not a fair comparison, right?
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Don't call me Shirley
and yes I do. because
Ogletree at #3 seems to be asking a lot from him considering his thin NFL resume so far.
You criticize Tree’s resume atleast he has one!
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
1st round pick vs. UFA is part of a players's resume too. A big part.
Ogletree has produced a grand total of 10 catches in 2 NFL seasons.
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Now this I can understand
Ogletree was given a chance during preseason to see if he’d show up and most times he didn’t.
actually I thought most times he did.....
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
the minny game? are you serious
come on people its week 4 preseason, guys have already sterted preparing for the jets,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Norm is there a point to this post
Especially since my original statement was talking about how Ogletree did in the preseason anyway…
yea
never ever put stock in the last game of pre season,,,see KD Drummonds post about the 3-3 while the vikings run all over us,,, your not stopping adrian Peterson with a 3-3,,
I posted an observation about Ogletree in week 3,, 2nd play of the game dallas play action roll out,, Ogletree is wide open, beat the starting corne bad and was 15 yards down field standing right in front of Romo,,Romo looks at him and then dumps the ball to Witten,
The play was designed to look at the guard pull for a quasi screen to Witten, this is the pre season,,,You and I have no idea what they are expecting, I will say they have added another branch to the rout tree expecting Ogletree to start,,, That tells me they have more faith in the line and Ogletree.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
first 3 games of pre season
“Especially in the Minn game” Coaches are natorious for putting guys in position to fail in week 4 of the pre season,,, Parcells was a joke he did it so bad,,,
In all seriousness the team usually just does a walk through for the 4th pre season game,
Ogle tree did some things that went unnoticed, He beat that starting corner twice badly,, the throw he didn’t get the foot down was an old Terry Glenn rout and he has gotten sepreation,,,I’m not saying he is a star but he has done some nice things,,,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
But you said
Minn was the third game right and Miami was the last. So that is 3 games in, he didn’t do well in the first two games either.
Now he does have an edge (he and holley both). At least they had an opportunity to play in the offense the previous year. Ogletree should have done better.
wow I've had to much to drink
good night!
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehhh......
Min/Mia…I coulda made that mistake cold sober.
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thats not the point you were trying to make..
And its not a very good one that you are trying to backpedal. The only way to get experience or become a vet is to actually play.. they have to start somehwere and I’d say lining up next to Witten Dez Austin is a safe spot to line and go through growing pains.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
I'm not backpedaling at all. Experience is A factor, but not the ONLY factor.
Hey, I’ll be happy to be wrong here. Sometimes when you take a bit of a leap of faith with a young unproven vet, you get a Doug Free. Unfortunately, though, sometimes you get an Alan Ball.
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So how do you plan to get young?
You have to take a chance.. and its the third frickin WR. He’ll get what 30 catches 300yds?
Getting a vet to fill that spot.. already hit his ceiling
Getting a young guy to fill that spot.. could become a #2 or #1 or trade
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In this day and age of the NFL, the 3rd WR is almost a starter.
I hope Ogletree’s up to the task, but am not all that confident he is. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
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yeah how many teams can say they have 2 number 1 wrs?
Let alone best TE and best pass catching RB?
Starter or not.. they get targets at most 3 times a game.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
That makes more sense to me.
If you’re saying our WR depth isn’t as important because of our pass-catching threats at TE and RB. Still, tell me this: will you feel confident if Dez or Austin goes down and Ogletree starts for a stretch?
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Everyone keeps saying this
But it goes back to the original argument. Backups have to play sometime. They aren’t always so glamorous but some can surprise you if given the opportunity.
or harris or anyone yes
Because we will still have a true #1 WR threat, TE, RB etc
How many teams will be in serious trouble if they lose their #1.. cowboys have 2!
Maybe 5 teams in the NFL have that luxuary?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Doug Free was a year to late not to early
I called that one while Fow was still here in the pre season,easy to see,,, Ball not so much,,,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we know if AJ Green is going to be the next Charles Rogers?
we had a veteran no3 who knew the offense and could be a playable replacement in case of injury….we let him go becuz he was costing too much money for his production. Ogletree knows the offense, and is at least a capable slot WR who can be playable in case of injury to either Austin or Bryant. He has to show he can do it sometime.
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
if anything the #3 spot should be a young guy
Last year we had miles and roy then what?! This is a nonissue esp with witten felix and murrary also in line for targets before the #3 wr
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Yes.
Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable. -- Tom Landry
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. -- Emo Philips
Welker is a No 1 option disguised as a No3......without that slot WR to work the short routes Brady gets all out of sorts
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm ready for the young guys too,,,
I’m tired of running into the wall again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and agian and again and and again and again and agian and again and
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
wall,,,
I’m saying I’m ready for a change and to go young,,,we keep playing players who just dont get it done, Wade nearly killed me, I wonder how much of that was Jerry,,, I’m ready for changes and were getting them,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that, but....
Let’s not hate all things Wade and all that went before so much that we swing too far in the other direction. We did win 2 division titles under Wade, did we not? I hate to be in a position where I’m defending Wade. Trust me, I know all about his shortcomings. But his results weren’t a total failure. Let’s not make a point to reflexively do the opposite of what Wade would do.
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Exactly!
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Wade
killed me too. He is a fine coordinator but reached his “Peter Principle” limit after that. He never had the instinct to be a head coach and never will (ironically, I feel the same way about Norv Turner—the second candidate going against Wade when he was hired). I’m not a Wade hater, but he just doesn’t have what it takes to bring a team to the Super Bowl as the head coach. Sad but true.
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by Tennessee_Jed on Sep 3, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
is the agian the exception to the rule?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
a risk ??????? they got to start sometime
sorry don’t see you logic
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
well if the offense is run right
food chain or targets should go:
dez
austin
witten
felix
demarco
and there should be a huge dropoff after this point
bennet/phillips
and the 3rd WR split with the rest of the backfield
and thats not factoring how effective felix/demarco will run the ball. looks like they could do 20-10 each game with carries and both likely to gain 5+ YPC
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Sep 3, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
With Witten, our #3 matters less
Since any #3 WR will be at best the #4 target and if Felix is in the game probably the #5.
Felix OR Murray
Either one would more than likely be the 4th option.
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Kicker Bailey will be perfectly fine
He easily made both his FG’s and his kickoffs all landed in the endzone, except for 1 which landed inside the 5 IIRC. I also believe his first kickoff against Denver went out of the endzone.
Not worried whatsoever.
your kidding right? His % is no better than buehler and his KO are alot worse.
He will never see KO duties. And might be cut by week 3
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Bailey was 100%, including 1 over 40.
I think it’s David B’s % we should be worried about. What evidence is there that Bailey was bad on kickoffs. It was Graham who was kicking them short.
Why do you keep saying bailey's % is no better than buehler??!!??
Bailey has kicked what 5 FG? And made all of them….
You’re just making facts up as you go dude
It's still a small sample size
and if you take away that bad day he had, he probably had better stats.. not saying he’ll be good or bad… just hate it when fans get negative and criticize decisions for the sake of criticizing. At least wait till see him before complaining
The Cowboys don't seem to be as sure.
Making it to the endzone is the bare minimum now.
Not all kicks that make it to the endzone are created equal. More than half of Bailey’s kickoffs are returnable. Very few of Buehler’s are returnable. Why? Because he routinely puts them past the endzone or kicks them high enough that the coverage can get down there forcing a fair catch or a very short return if they’re crazy enough to run it out.
Can’t say the same for Bailey. And the Cowboys agree since they’re willing to burn a roster spot to carry both kickers.
Is it preferable? Heck no. Is it necessary? It is if you don’t want to risk your opponent starting in excellent field position on a regular basis.
Rabid and luvin' it
not saying...
not saying Bailey is as good as David on kickoffs. He did look pretty good though. Better than Graham. They obviously think Bailey can kick FG’s or they wouldn’t have kept him. If Bailey’s kickoffs land 2-5 yards deep in the endzone and the other team chooses to return it, then it’s up the Cowboys kickoff coverage to step up and show they’re a quality unit. I just know they need more consistently making 3’s. Leaving points off the board with a defense still a work in progress is asking for trouble.
pure hatred of Buehler?....
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
but making 3 game savers last year should win them over.....
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
can you name one FG kicker thats perfect?...Buehler just needs to become consistent instead of relying on his power so much...
kind of like a QB that has to learn touch on his passes…its not all about how hard you kick it…
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
But we can find a few that have a better percentage then Buehler in a zone he should be able to hit a FG.
i think the zone he misses from is where the touch part comes in....give him time...
if Dez were to drop a touchdown pass in a couple of games would you say he sucks? or would you just remember the game where he made the gamechanging play? WOuld you give him time to learn and grow or immediately demand a change becuz he screwed up?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't want to be sweating bullets
When we are in extra point field goal range. If he missed some of the extra long stuff then that is to be expected.
thats the reason for bailey.....he was solid on inside 40 wasn't he?
it was the distance that gave him problems and where Buehler’s strength lies…
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I'm in the boat with some of the others
I want one kicker. Either we commit to one or the other. If they believe theres more upside to Beuhler then so be it.
i can see your point and i do agree with it...but simply stating why they would feel the need to keep two.
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Garrett is a smart coach
Garrett is willing to take a risk on a rookie kicker, just like the young guys on the OL, but he’s also hedging his bet by keeping a strong leg around. I do recall Nick Folk was really good as a rookie 2007 and also good in 2008. It’s a shame he fell off the wagon in 2009.
Garrett is going to model his game after JJ
JJ= kickers a dime a dozen
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
which JJ?
Jimmy jumped at the chance to sign Eddie Murray…automatic Eddie….not much of a leg but anything inside 50 yards he was normally good for….kinda like Akers now..
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
thats why i wanted Akers
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Last time I checked the scoreboard showed points, not touchbacks
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
akers would have been a good pickup last year....
this year I’m not sure you’re not getting the vanderjact kicker this time around. After your child die on you can really effect youur ability to perform. I would have to know that his heart was truly in the game now. Not trying to be cold. I feel for the guy and it’s one of those moments where the game is really unimportant, but Andy Reid blamed him for the loss even though he knew the circumstances at the time. Shows you what kind of of stand up guy Andy really is.
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by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 4, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Idk dude people are crazy bailey barely gets it into the endzone so it would ALWAYS come out and he has no hangtime… plus his % is basically the same as Buehler. I am hopeful Buehler can tighten his game, but seriously why would you want bailey over him?
by stegosaurus! on Sep 3, 2011 6:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ham I love Buehler
but is it necessary to keep 2 kickers for a couple yards of field position? If so, couldnt we just keep just buehler let him kick FGs
not sure
but Buehler is a player.. and Bailey is idk we will see
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agree 100%
Its nice to know if a runner breaks through our ST, Buehler will almost always make the TD saving tackle…with authority no less. He is a player!
The Cowboys feel it is necessary.
And I agree. As much as I’d love to see that roster spot freed up, it isn’t going to happen until we find a complete kicker…one that can make FG’s reliably and get touchbacks reliably. Unfortunately, we just don’t have ONE that can do both.
Rabid and luvin' it
the thing is that Bailey can't hit FGs consistently
by somebodyquiet on Sep 3, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, if they are the same player
and one has fewer qualities outside of field goals then he loses,, we just need a single kicker who makes field goals and kicks off,, I’m as frustrated as every one else, Buehler is probably better than anyone we could get at this point.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
When he's ready
and off IR. We need to get Brett Swenson. Dude was automatic in college.
by Prime Time on Sep 3, 2011 6:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
what fade
sorry guys. I don’t see any evidence that Bailey can’t hit FG’s consistently. I really think if this was the case then Garrett would have cut him. Bailey wasn’t given an attempt the last 2 games after making both of his earlier tries. The other kickers had to prove themselves and they really didn’t.
In camp he started near perfect the first couple days.
By the end of camp he was missing nearly as often as Buehler.
Rabid and luvin' it
no argument there
I would go with Bailey 19-46 yards and the other guy over 46. Unless David starts missing those long ones. Maybe that’s the plan until Bailey can get more leg strength to make 50’s. Since Bailey hit his over 40 attempt I certainly think he’s worth a shot. I don’t think it’s provable either way concerning Bailey and 50 yard FG’s just yet.
David B, we all saw last season (especially under 40 and 2 PAT) and his 48 yarder against Miami…
Merriweather
Brandon Merriweather released by Pats. Would be an upgrade and he is young and a fierce hitter
he is not an upgrade either
he is worse than ball and “launches”
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based on PFF scores
I dont trust PFF scores that much but the Pats wouldn’t have released him if he was decent
by somebodyquiet on Sep 3, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Leonard Davis = 16th best NFL Guard!
According to PFF.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
well,,,
thats half of 32 teams,,,, how do injuries fit in, ther were lots of hurt limemen this year,,, i would say that says hes a little less than average, about right
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
32 teams makes 64 starting Guards.
Now instead of top 50% 16th puts him in top 25%. I don’t think that number sticks.
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is it guards or RG's
hea it is high, but he was not as bad as some want to make him,,Bledsoe II was our QB for most of the year,,,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
to be fair
II think grading OL is far more difficult than any other position on the field. Most of the disagreements I have with them come along the line.
Maybe I am just going on reputation
I think he is a better safety, but Ball seems better niched at corner
the dude just doesn't get it and isn't he a suspect in a shooting?
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I'd easily take him over Ball, not even a contest
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
good thing thats not whats its up for
He is not better than sensi or elam
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police removed him from suspect list...now only a witness....
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You launch these days and it's 15 yards for the offense.
Brodney Pool put a great hit on an Eagles receiver the other night. It would have been legal last season. Not anymore.
Rabid and luvin' it
Merriweather is tough.
He got released because he took plays off and belicheck puts up with nothing. He’s still an upgrade. I say we pick him up and I’d nothing else, use him as a backup. He’s got talent.
by Dynamicduo on Sep 3, 2011 11:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
AOA to practice squad
Anyone think this will happen. I think it’d do him good and I really think he has the tools to be quite good… just needs some refining.
by stegosaurus! on Sep 3, 2011 6:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ugh I always forget the stupid ps rules :(
by stegosaurus! on Sep 3, 2011 6:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
From what I read he IS eligible… he has less than 9 nine games in his only accrued season…
by stegosaurus! on Sep 3, 2011 6:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
From what I read he IS eligible… he has less than 9 nine games in his only accrued season…
by stegosaurus! on Sep 3, 2011 6:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Still can't figure why so many fans thought AOA was goning to be good .
or Brandon Williams either.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Sep 3, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm one who thought a safety
who ran a 4.30 with good hands (could catch) was worth the time,,, I was wrong,,, He might have been the fastest guy on the team
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
McCann was faster
But just barely. AOA was one of my pet cats. I wish he could have panned out. But on the other hand, I’m glad the decision-making has become unsentimental, and if a guy isn’t working out, cutting bait quickly.
I just don't feel good about our CB situation, but there's nothing out there that excites me...
Ryan better have some seriously exotic blitzes to cover up this weakness…we need a monster pass rush in a big way…
+1000
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Why should u feel good about the cb situation ?
One starter is old an injured and one is spineless.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Sep 4, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Lousaka Polite was cut
good option at FB
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
by Lissyyyyy on Sep 3, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Liked Lousaka
Not a bad blocker.
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by Lord Humungus on Sep 3, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
are you good with stats too?
should we get brandon tate?
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... I am not so sure
Crayton made him look silly.. is he better now maybe?!
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that was 2 years ago.
Here is raf’s blurb:
- I wonder if the Cowboys are pursuing CB Joselio Hanson? The Eagles just released him after failing to secure a trade. Hanson played nickel corner for the Eagles recently and was superb. He tied for first in cornerback YPA last year, with a 4.3 average, according to K.C. Joyner’s Scientific Football 2011 metrics. He had a $2.4 M cap hit this year and lost out in the Philly numbers game, falling behind Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel and Dominique Rodgers-Cromatie on the depth chart. His modest cap figure was apparently considered too high for a 4th corner.
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2011/09/gronkowski-to-be-released-cowboys-cut.html
Considering our total lack of cb depth, I think he would be a great addition. Scandrick is the only reliably healthy one.
could it be a product of the Eagles constantly getting picked on deep tho? no need to go middle short all the time?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
stats are not everything..
eye test shows no thank you
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Stats and eyes lie,
It takes some real in depth research to get to the bottom of bad or good play,,, Chia has impressed me with how much he studies the game,,,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
with a YPA that low
you clearly did not apply the eye test to the 2010 season. I agree with you he didn’t play well in 2009, at least in the games I saw. But the reason he was cut is more than likely his salary and not his play.
Agree that Crayton destroyed him in ‘09, but he was stellar last season. I’m extremely pissed they cut him. Definitely passed the eye test for me last year.
if he was stellar
why was it a need to upgrade twice with 2 major contracts?
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Don’t know. Obviously, Nnamdi and DRC are much better players. They had an opportunity to bring them in, and did. I guess you’ll just have to trust that I saw a player in Hanson that didn’t give up anything last year.
its out of character for the Eagles
I conceded this one … in JG I TRUST
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Crayton is wildly underrated.
everyone said he just put up his stats because he was the 3rd WR.
well when he went to SD he put up the exact same stats as the #1 guys.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Another casualty of Roy Williams
Boy, it sure would be nice to have Crayton on the team now.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I know. He’s exactly what Dallas needs.
a productive #3 WR at a reasonable salary.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Go get him.
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Him and Meriweather would add some solid insurance to the secondary.
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Please don't.
You guys can keep looking at stats when it comes to corners but the eye test shows he stinks.
He really stinks. I live in Philly.
They couldn’t wait for him to be cut.
Why do you think they went out and got all those corners.
Beats me.
They need LBs.
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and a HC
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's do it
Why not?
Newman isn’t on the team in 2012
Jenkins is either going to be paid like a #1 or gone in 2013
Scandrick is already getting paid as a #2
Let’s just hit fast forward and get there. Jenkins, Scandrick – you’re starting.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not totally opposed
While Newman’s issue has been health more than quality of play, is the argument against him any different than the plenty of underperforming, overpaid vets on this team that have been cut this offseason?
I guess the good thing about Newman is hes a leader and hard worker
I'm in
Newman is out of the lineup so much he’s virtually become a part-time player. And his inability to track the ball in the air has been a frustration for me.
I’d actually prefer to start Hanson and Scandrick over Jenkins, but that’s just me. Maybe Jenkins will bounce back this year and be at least decent.
Rob Ryan wants to have a talk with you guys
behind the stadium
didn't TNew used to play slot b4 Scandrick?..
would you consider moving him back to slot as the third CB who can also provide experienced backup possibility…if just for this year?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
An $8 million slot corner?
He’s our 3rd highest paid player. He makes more than DeMarcus Ware.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i know sounds expensive but maybe they keeping him this year to reduce the already high amount of the dead money next year....
also was just saying that tnew seems to be breaking down with all the contact on the outside…maybe it would reduce his wear and tear to move him back to the slot and help keep him healthy at least for this year…get biggest bang for the buck so to speak…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what Blue?, i'm actually going to agree with you on this.
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I 'd like a look at
Brandon Tate
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
Haha, no way, seriously? The Giants cut Hynoski? I’m going team by team here on the NFC East and having looked at the GMen yet. Did Bear Pascoe make the team?
Yeah, I think he was one of those guys that fans of every team liked, our fans included. Watched him at Giants camp. Saw nothing. Saw nothing in their preseason games too. But he was better than anything they had.
DAMN YOU GARRET!!! DAMN Y OU!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hynoski should be wearing a star right now! Not a big “NY”
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
he still could be he got cut and we have the 10th rights to him.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
There are no “rights.” It’s a free-for-all. All cuts are unrestricted free agents. No waiver process.
Hynoski made the Giants roster
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
All cuts are unrestricted free agents?
umm…im pretty sure that players without enough service go through the waiver process
Don't forget we took Nagy with that pick,
starting Guard a better pick imo.
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No, we took Chap-ass with that pick
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, Deon Anderson is available!
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my bad ,he was available in the 7th rd.went undrafted?.
remember fans calling for him but we had chapas by then.
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I might have been a little over-the-top on draft day for him on these boards
and then when I saw the NFL network screen flash “Cowboys – FB, ______” I jumped out of my seat with excitement because I thought we got him.
Then I saw…. Chapas.
le sigh
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
understandable, you guys see a lot more college ball than i do.
easy to have favourites ..
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think thats the guy Raff raved about pre draft.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's been cut we need to pick him up.
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Probably
Although Sam Young is hanging on by the skin of his teeth, too. Rucker caught everything thrown his direction. His hands looked phenomenal. His downfall is his weak blocking.
Sam Young making this team is definitely the most disappointing development for me.
The other one would probably be Orie Lemon not making the team.
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Does seem like an injury keep.
If Marty B was healthy then Rucker probably would have been cut. Figure he’s here at least week one and then they sign a vet FB when it’s no longer a full season guarantee and wave by to Rucker.
Did i just see a Giant Duck at Cowboys stadium?. BSPN
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Come on man last week it was
Pink Elephants
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
haha but im sober this week !!
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
so.....carrying no fullback means we open up the game in a lotta 2 TE, 2 WRs sets....
or 3 WRs sets?
So does this mean Phillips becomes the starter until Bennent comes back (along with Witten of course)….or do we see the Tree?
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A thumper who can move linebackers,
Hynoski. I hope we get this guy from the giants,,,
Not an option....Made the Giants 53.
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Didn’t really notice Alex Albright in preseason games (wasn’t really looking for him, haha). Anyone wanna give me a little head start on his game?
Not really.....lol
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no he's not we play vick late in the season,
Unless of course he runs out of bounds and knocks Vicks crutches out from under him.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 3, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If you believe in Football Outsiders' SackSEER
He has great measurables.
Vertical = 36"
Short Shuttle = 4.03s (faster than Ware)
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Then clearly you have nothing to worry about
He’s a small school guy (Boston College) that has picked up OLB pretty quick considering the truncated offseason.
So he’s quick where it counts for pass rushing and has shown an ability to learn the position. A project for the 2012 off-season.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Boston College is not a small college
wow guys…. he was a good DE at BC but injured his neck last year.
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by AustonianAggie on Sep 4, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
which is funny because more than any other team in the NFL, every DE on the Eagles scores well on the metrics Sackseer flagged.
tell us more of DTN.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, never bought into it. I just don’t buy that how high a guy jumps a couple times at the combine is a great predictor of his success in the NFL. Give me game film.
I just don’t buy that how high hard a pitcher throws a fastball guy jumps a couple times at the combine is a great predictor of his success in the NFL. Give me game film.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, noted… But let’s not compare a pitcher’s velocity with 2 jumps by a player that doesn’t need to jump much.
But let’s not compare a pitcher’s velocity with 2 jumps by a player that doesn’t need to jump much.
Jimmy,
there’s a direct relationship between leg strength and vertical jump. You’re getting hung up on the jumping part. Yes, being able to jump high is useless for a pass rusher. Having legs that are strong enough to propel you 4 feet straight up in the air though .. damn useful. Jumping ability is just a proxy for explosive leg strength.
If you don’t think explosive leg strength matters to a pass rusher, fine. but it make perfect sense to me.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
What measurable action most resembles exploding from a 3-point stance into an OT?
isn’t it vertical leap? Isn’t that why football players use a 3-point stance: because it allows the human body to “jump” horizontally?
What is the short shuttle? It’s how quickly a player can move in a small area. How quickly he can turn corners. There’s a reason getting around an OT is called “turning the corner”. It’s an analogous skillset.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t buy it. They found some metrics that worked out historically, but I’m willing to bet that over time, it won’t hold up. It’s already not looking for their 2010 predictions, the first year after it was introduced.
There’s a good chance that the most athletic DEs are going to run impressive short shuttles and jump high. I don’t really need a model to tell me that.
I have the same qualms about SACKSEER
Actually, I have more.
1) the “stat” that they found most aligns with NFL “productivity” is missed eligible games in college. Not Vertical Leap, not shuttle time. Eligible games missed. Which only tells us about the ability to stay healthy and stay out of trouble. It also leads to the next problem.
2) I don’t think SACKSEER does a very good job of identifying good pass rushers. I think it does a decent job of identifying HEALTHY players who have a better shot at contributing throughout the next 5 years at SOME level, but when your #1 stat is Eligible games missed, that throws up a pretty large red flag to me about quantifying pass rushing ability vs. health ability.
3) I have a suspicion that SACKSEER is more about overfitting the data rather than really telling us about who the next great pass-rushers are. It’s great at describing the players that currently are doing well, because it’s using that data to build the model. In addition, the sample size number seems rather small to be able to definitively draw the conclusions they seem to be making….
The trends that SackSEER identifies for edge rushers
drafted in the first two rounds also persist when
later-round edge rushers are modeled. For instance,
SackSEER would have identified Robert Mathis and
Adalius Thomas as top edge rusher prospects. However,
the trends are not quite as strong and the projections
not quite as accurate (the seven-round regression
yields R-Squared of .27). Nonetheless, "seven-round
SackSEER" does have some interesting implications
for the two-round model.
First, the seven-round model demonstrates that it is
unlikely that SackSEER is a product of "data-mining
bias" — the idea that if you look at enough variables,
you are bound to find something that correlates with
sacks. The trends are strong enough to eliminate datamining
bias as to the vertical leap, SRAM, and missed
games. Although data-mining bias cannot be completely
rejected as to the shuttle, the shuttle is highly
statistically significant through seven rounds, despite
a fair amount of noise in the later rounds in the form
of players who had stellar shuttles and not much else,
and did not make much of an impact as professionals.
Overall, there should be a high level of confidence
that SackSEER has something important to say about
the success and failure of college edge rushers.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's horrible
They already had an R-squared of .42 for the first 2 rounds, yet adding the other 5 drops the R-squared for ALL SEVEN ROUNDS from .42 to .27?
How bad must the R-squared be for the other 5 rounds? Like .15 – .2?
The seven-round R-squared is BS, because you’re already including the data-mined data IN THE SAMPLE….
So, IOW, it doesn’t demonstrate crap about whether Sackseer has data-mining issue (and it especially doesn’t “demonstrate that it is unlikely that it is a product of data-mining bias”).
Thanks for bringing that to my attention! It makes me even more skeptical of the sackseer method.
There's also four independent variables
So the adjusted r-squared, which is what really matters when assessing a regression model, will be even worse. It’s basically crap. But then again, Football Outsiders is more about self-promotion than serious analysis.
I think it does a decent job of identifying HEALTHY players
have you not considered that health might be a key trait to have for a pass rusher? That it might be a proxy for something else … like optimal mechanics or the absence of muscle/skeletal deficiencies?
I always thought that Michael Jordan’s most underrated trait was durability. And it wasn’t a fluke. After MJ sprained his ankle his rookie year he religiously did ankle strengthening exercises. And there are obviously a lot of consequences that flow from avoiding injury. You can stay at the optimal training level and maintain peak shape.
You think that being about to stay in peak condition might be critical for a pass rusher?
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 4, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Who cares if they stay healthy
If they don’t have the talent to do the job in the first place?
Also, you just highlighted a key argument which would counter your leading questions:
After MJ sprained his ankle his rookie year he religiously did ankle strengthening exercises.
Something which can be TAUGHT and improved on.
You think that being about to stay in peak condition might be critical for a pass rusher?
I think being healthy is important for an NFL PLAYER. Which can mainly be measure by just focusing on the number eligible games missed. I think confusing the issue by adding health as a measure of a player’s pass-rushing ability is signs of a not-well-thought process.
I think that you guys are overstating what Sackseer actually does provide which is a mediocre at best prediction of pass-rushing performance.
You know for someone who’s supposed to be “skeptical” about things, you seem to take the sackseer thing almost like a gospel.
Just because people offer a new-fangled stat, which they SAY they’ve tested and made rigorous, doesn’t mean that the stat is worthwhile (especially when they’re trying to sell it and they don’t provide any peer review).
You know for someone who’s supposed to be "skeptical" about things, you seem to take the sackseer thing almost like a gospel.
You’re right to be skeptical. The strongest factor in the Lewin Career Forecast (a predictor for QBs) was ‘games played’ in college. Then a string of QBs with limited experience made it to the NFL and blew that part of forecast out of the water. So it’s entirely possible that the games missed will turn out to be garbage. But I don’t see an obvious reason why ‘games missed’ couldn’t have real predictive value the way you do.
I’d say I’m in the ‘I don’t know’ camp where you seem to be in the ‘I know it’s wrong’ camp.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 4, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, I know I'm late to the party here
but somebody needs to look at ESPNs Total Quarterback Rating stat from an overfitting standpoint.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 4, 2011 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It’s already not looking for their 2010 predictions, the first year after it was introduced.
oh really. It said Graham would struggle. How’s it doing on that prediction?
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't buy that having leg strength matters to a football player?
One of the more significant ones it might to being a pass rusher? Even someone trying to stop the momentum of a mass, say, a run-blocker of any sort? That the most powerful limbs of the human body, the limbs most required for mobility and evolutionarily designed to impart force versus the gravitational force of the planet and provide a stable means of exerting leverage and counter force in the manipulation of objects in the physical world are significant to players of this game?
Honestly and in all seriousness, Jimmy?
Cry 'Havoc!'
we can watch as the evidence accumulates.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I could have perfect technique as a tackle, but as a 5’11" 160lb guy I’m not going to be able to stop DeMarcus Ware.
What I like about SackSEER is it shows what measurables to look at. It has discovered that for the pass-rushing role, you need to look at vertical leap and short shuttle to see if a guy has the physical gifts that match the position.
What’s great about it is that it shows you what measurables not to look at. When someone cheers a DEs 40-time you just roll your eyes because it’s meaningless.
Now, that doesn’t mean that everyone that has the physical gifts of good SS and vertical leap will become good pass rushers. But it does show that if someone does have them, they have great tools. Now whether they can add the moves, and the savvy, and the technique, etc. on top of those skills is still a big question.
But SackSEER is great for finding guys like Albright who can be diamonds in the rough.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
or in other words
It is great for finding the players that WON"T make great pass rushers…..Ie the Igor Olshanskis of the league
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 3, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
People talk about how Anthony Spencer is this great athlete. And there’s this disconnect in the more mainstream circles about how can this “great athlete” be such a bad pass rusher? Well, we can see that his measurables where pass rushing counts downright suck! So it’s no surprise to us.
It’s also a fine tool for trying to find guys like Alex Albright that everyone else looks over and our Cowboys stop and say, “Hey, wait a second, this kid might have something. Let’s get him a shot.”
But it can be damned useful in the 1st round of the draft too. ESPN doesn’t talk much about how athletic J.J. Watt is (I’ll save the latent racism in sports rant for later) but here at BTB we saw a 37" vertical and a 4.2 short shuttle time on a 290lb man and we know… we know to be glad we’re in the NFC!
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly believe he's going to be the best 5-tech in the league
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
In 1975 the Cowboys had Randy White and Walter Payton rated the same
But they decided to miss out and “blow the pick” on Randy White.
Nevertheless I don’t think the Cowboys are kicking themselves for that choice.
Tyron and JJ Watt they will probably both meet in the Probowl one day.
The Cowboys out not to sweat that one.
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 3, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a very short list
Of top ten tackles who played on a Super Bowl winner. I only counted three tackles and three Lombardis. Do the same for defensive linemen, or quarterbacks or linebackers and you’ll see a much larger number: In fact, two top ten DTs have started for Super Bowl winners the last four years.
how did I not know that.
that’s fantastic. the made my night.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I started rooting for him to make the team what I noticed that last week
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Albright? heck Ive been all for that guy since like day 3 in camp, dudes been making plays all summer
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
how did he slip? that’s great … finally a guy that’s got upside potential to be great.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Broke his leg last season
Also had a neck injury in 2008. So injury red flag.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
holy smokes. that’s how Dallas got Jay Ratliff.
pls pls pls stay healthy. This dude is gonna take Spencer’s job.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Albright man
I watched him play and I just like the guy, smart player too
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He will be Al(l) (b) right on the night..
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Cut. Maybe hoping for PS.
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Some of have known that for a while.
He is just chained to the Eagles. Perhaps one day he will be free to follow his heart.
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by Tom Ryle on Sep 3, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
Forgot how many games he was active last season.
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from Mr Ryle:
Section 4. Eligibility:
(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad:
(i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and
(ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Ac-crued Season(s).
An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.
(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (For purposes of this Section, a bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in ques-tion.)
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 3, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I posted that above.
My problem is getting all the relevant data on all the players. This post was done in a hurry, as you may guess, trying to make sure I had everybody right.
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Hum I googled the rules and it mentioned being on IR counted as a accrued season.
But that doesn’t list anything about IR. Maybe a change in the new CBA and what I read was the old one? Or is it just left out of that one?
OCC?
(Puts up the OCC signal)…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 3, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Checked again. 1 website listed the exact language in the 2011 CBA and it is slightly different.
It is what Tom listed above, which is a tad different from what I had found before. IR isn’t mentioned as blocking eligibility and it goes from 6 games to 9.
what Tom quoted above is from my roster projection, which I took directly from the copy of the CBA
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Yes, I worded what I said above poorly.
When I googled PS rules it must have been the old CBA rules, they included IR to make it a accrued season. So when I saw the difference in what Tom posted I went hunting to see which version was correct. I checked several websites and 1 quoted the new CBA exactly and in length. That is the language Tom, and you, used. So the original one I was going by was the expired CBA language.
cut
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Jimmy stop being so darn likable!!!!! jk
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You must be feeling good.
Since no defense can be created to stop Vick, and all that. :-)
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I was gonna make a Ben Roethlisberger joke here
But I would probably get a warning for it.
U all figure the rest
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 3, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If you made that bet every year he was the opening day starter, you would have lost 4 out of 5 bets.
Fair enough
Although at age 31, the odds of his history repeating itself are getting less likely. I would take the over, myself.
Running QBs on the wrong side of 30 don't last long in this league
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That was before...
Todd Herremans, Danny Watkins and Jason Kelce are the now. The Giants, Packers and Vikings gave the league the recipe. Now, the other teams just have to cook him.
Rabid and luvin' it
I want him to be healthy when he plays the Cowboys
So Ratliff and Ware can take him out of the game
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No worries for you. There is Vince Young to back up!
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I would never root for a injury.
However that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be surprised at one considering his style and porous OL.
He wasn't in the NFCEast then ... he was in the lowly NFCSouth
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Wow
Donnie Avery was cut by the Rams. I like him.
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by Dub_TC on Sep 3, 2011 7:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
odd cut right there, something is wrong with him then
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't he have knee surgery a couple of years ago?
poor mans DJax?
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by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe so
Ive always had a thing for burner WR’s so I would love to sign him or Brandon Tate
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
not a good day for me
Josh Thomas, Akwasi and Butler get cut
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Great roster! 5-11 is not a step backward
It is a step forward to a better draft pick next year.
And what improvements would you have made, pray tell?
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It is going to take a couple years
My criticism is aimed at the horrible drafting and undeserved extensions that have brought us to this point. I am very pleased with Garrett as HC, the youth movement on the OL, and Ryan as DC. Ryan’s scheme needs great man corners which we don’t have and the schedule is pretty tough. I am not rooting for a bad year, just some humility for Jerry.
by jerryfireyourGM on Sep 3, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
schedule is easy man.
No worries.
And the dead money is overrated because you can always restructure contracts and push out Doomsday further and further. Lower the cap hit in 2012 for example by raising it in 2011 and 2013 etc.
by florida dodger on Sep 3, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I like playing Seattle and Buffalo
We will probaly split with everyone in the NFC East, lose 3 of 4 to the AFC east, Detroit will be tough, as will Arizona on the road and Tampa will be tough.
by jerryfireyourGM on Sep 3, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
what about...
Thomas instead of Rucker.
AOA instead of Buehler.
Cut Bailey when Forbath gets back.
Butler instead of Young.
Manuel Johnson instead of Holley.
by florida dodger on Sep 3, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
thats what I would do, instead of Johnson over Holley
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
personally I dont give up on talented players that soon
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
As talent as some think he is
He would have shown something now that he’s healthy and against other rookies.
he will get a chance somewhere else and I will vomit when he is good
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly
Wouldn’t be the first time we missed out. He could possibly never be able to adjust to pro levels either.
very possible
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
KR
We need a kick returner too. He is good for that.
by florida dodger on Sep 3, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I would imagine we will see some more moves with the cuts by other teams
by jerryfireyourGM on Sep 3, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I would
there is a WR and a CB out there, a ILB out there I like too
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
like to see Merriweather
But I am guessing the off-field will scare Jerry off.
by jerryfireyourGM on Sep 3, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I would as a U fan
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think Holley is more valuable than Johnson.
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Aww , could be the start of something big... ; )
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 3, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they made the right choice for kickers
A lot of folks rail against the two kickers, but if you ask me, having Buehler to kick off will pay far more dividends than any other player they might have kept in the 53rd spot. He will do all of our kickoffs, and if our offense is any good, that will be a lot of kickoffs. Just about everyone else who could have filled that roster spot would have been inactive on game days, and of no real value this season. Buehler will be able to almost guarantee teams start no further out than their 20, and I would bet he will be able to convert some of the length into greater height, allowing us to have kickoffs where we pin opponents inside the 20. If you think McBriar is valuable, you should see the value in Buehler. He’s a field position weapon who gives us real value.
But no one should want Buehler trotting out for field goals. That’s a crazy proposition still. I think they kept Bailey because he’s the cheapest guy whose contract they have to guarantee. I think he’ll keep the job only so long as he remains accurate on field goals. If he slips at all, the Cowboys will have a revolving door.
by VAfan on Sep 3, 2011 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
oh he'll slip
personally I’m hoping the UCLA kicker turns out out be the savior.
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by CaliCowboysFan92 on Sep 3, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be nice.
I’m not sold on Bailey yet. Remember when the Cowboys used to generate great field goal kickers with the field goal coach they had? Nick Folk could have been the guy if he hadn’t gotten hurt.
Agreed on cheaper kicker.
They will add someone more experienced after week 1 if Bailey misses.
by jerryfireyourGM on Sep 3, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
everyone needs to take a chill pill
we have 11 good 12 good players
AOA / Radway / church or any of these guys don’t make us a better team.
Looking at Cb’s from the steelers makes no sense . they have zero corners.
Right now we are equal to the 90 cowboys. Alot of churn on the bottom half of the roster.
we drafter for offense this year and we will draft for defense next year.
What?
Looking at Cb’s from the steelers makes no sense . they have zero corners.
Steelers corners aren’t perfect but like GB they do a good job finding players.
Overall, I like the choices the Cowboys made
They cut aging and expensive players who were not performing. Decisions were made based on current and future production, not past history. No sacred cows.
I don’t see guys cut today who will emerge as stars in the future for someone else. AOA might have physical skills — someone likened him to a Miles Austin. Perhaps. But he’s about the only one. Josh Thomas and Mario Butler weren’t great. Everyone said the fullbacks didn’t do it. There’s no one on the cut list who I worry we let go too early.
Meanwhile, we kept the ones on the margins who have some potential — Geathers, Albright, Kowalski.
yes it was, the guy played really well, he outplayed McCann
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't shocked me if McCann never made a play ever again
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
same here
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the Reason why it was McCann over Butler
4.32 vs 4.5…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 3, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
And at probably more than any other position in the NFL, speed kills at CB. If you’re fast it doesn’t mean you’re going to be a great CB, but if you’re not fast it probably means you won’t be a great CB.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
We talk about players with speed all the time
We cut some good fast players because they don’t seem to understand what their jobs are.
I would say that McCann has a very good chance at being a good CB..
I you remember, his two big plays were result of his film and Practice work….
It in of itself bodes well for him
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 4, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, he will make more big plays.
It is his intelligence, hard work, fast reactions and situational awareness.
Brandon Flowers is pretty good
And he’s a 4.5
A Good Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop the bleeding Jerruh.
by SportsDrunk on Sep 4, 2011 1:19 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Is he?
Deion Sanders ran a 4.21
He was pretty good too.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2011 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Who was faster Darell Green or Sanders?
I would have loved to see them race.
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 4, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
EVERSON WALLS HAD 4.6 - 4.7 SPEED
He was still pretty good. Got burned a hell of lot but he often got revenge with interceptions.
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 4, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
True, but if we somehow manage to keep him on the PS
it will be a home run.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Sep 4, 2011 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Out of these 53......
which are the 8 who will be inactive?
Or will it change drastically from week to week based on who we are playing?
Special Teams
Whoever can’t play special teams will be inactive.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahmad Black is available
Seems he was a “must have” before the draft:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/03/fifth-round-pick-ahmad-black-among-bucs-cuts/
Rabid and luvin' it
saw that..also read he didn't get much chance to show his play during the preseason.
injury or maybe TB trying to make sure he makes it to the PS?
"We were going to go out to Valley Ranch and use it as an opportunity to get back out in the heat and work, and I open up the curtains this morning very early and all of a sudden it was 68 and raining," Garrett said. "I said to the players, 'How big was the group prayer last night?' -Jason Garrett
by TruBluToTheCore on Sep 3, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I still want him
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Hate to pull the old "told you so"
The simple fact is small and slow doesn’t work in the NFL.
Nice player, knows how to play safety. And if he was 3" taller and 0.3 seconds faster he’d made a good one. Unfortunately, he’s not, and that makes all the difference in the NFL.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 3, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish he was faster
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
true
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Bob Sanders says hi (when healthy)
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I'd take him
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
never mind I just read up on how it works
“Each team is allowed to put eight players on their practice squad.
At any time, a player on the practice squad may reach an agreement to join another team – as long as that team puts the player on their 53-man roster. That player will receive a guaranteed minimum salary of three weeks pay at the NFL minimum, even if he is released by the team. There is an exception to the signing with another team rule, though. A player may not sign with a team’s next opponent within six days of the match-up (10 days during bye weeks)."
Congratulations, Cowboys
You earned it. Now comes the tough part. Go on earning it.
The trial never ends.
Do it, and us, and yourselves, proud.
As proud as we fans are of this Team. Of you.
Go get ’em.
Cry 'Havoc!'
I'm so giddy the roster's first final(?) edition's done...
… the keepers gave up trying to stop the giddy-oh-goody laughter and gagged me till the 11th. Shoulda finger-cuffed me, the fools.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Someone mentioned that they wondered how the Cowboys told players who made the team.
It would be interesting if they went in and asked a rookie to bring his helmet over and they put a star on it for him as the “formal” welcome to the team, you made it.
I dont think this is over
I have a feeling we see a few minor moves tomorrow, they have said all along they will be watching other teams cuts
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 3, 2011 10:06 PM CDT reply actions
Oh boy....
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
SHOULD THE COWBOYS PICK UP MERIWEATHER??
by rogerwhitedorcett on Sep 3, 2011 11:06 PM CDT reply actions
I think the should he's got a lot of talent and would defenetely be at least our 3rd best safety.
He got cut because he takes some plays off and belicheck doesn’t put up with anything. I say we put him as our 3rd safety and make him work for playing time. He has something to prove now and he’s very talented
by Dynamicduo on Sep 3, 2011 11:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hansen is the player that they should target
Dallas needs more depth at cb and he fits the bill…it’s a no brainer imo
by scandrick32 on Sep 4, 2011 12:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
LaCanfora reporting that we are working out former Skins G Derrick Dockery.
Healthy veteran power run blocker. Struggles in pass protection, from what I seem to remember. Not sure what to make of it now, other than it confirms the general sentiment that the OLine is likely to get some attention before opening day.
by KeyOfZ on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Anybody got a guess for how many FA we pick up now?
I’m gonna say two. Young and McCann get bumped for a swing T and CB from outside.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Choice is such a prime trade candidate it's unbelieveable
When’s the last time the Cowboys have kept 4 RBs?
And Choice is so incredibly cheap. He’s only making $500,000 this year. Half a million. Nothing in NFL terms.
I don’t know how teams with RB issues can’t be calling up Jerry trying to swing a deal.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
You are so right
500k is absolute peanuts. Fits into any teams cap and maybe they unload a costly (for them) CB/OL/DL in return
Keeping four RBs is insane
It’s like having four QBs or two punters. We need to unload one of these guys early in the season. I mentioned last night that this lopsided roster reminds me of the 2008 team, where we hung on to James Marten and a few other players as trade bait. Unfortunately, the other teams called our bluff and we had to release Marten early in the season.
It’s probably the same in this case. No team goes through the season with four RBs, so unless they are in extremis, they can just wait us out, waiting for Choice to be cut.
I can see Young
I think lot of upgrades out there. But who could you see replacing McCann? McCann has been bouncing right along – we cut him Baltimore cut him we cut him again why? He doesnt make plays?
I'd say at least two and as many as four.
I agree that OLine (swing tackle, guard depth) and CB are most likely to be addressed. Can also see us taking a look around at FB and ILB cuts, and perhaps S to a lesser degree. I think McCann, Young, Geathers, and Rucker are the primary cut-for-FA candidates.
by KeyOfZ on Sep 4, 2011 1:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the Cowboys like Geathers (or they are trying hard to do so) . He has the best measurables of any of the D lineman the Cowboys have. .
I don’t think he is very good now. but compare him to the defensive lineman drafted this year after round 2.
Of the Cowboys front seven there is Ware and everyone else. They Cowboys are looking for someone else to stand out.
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 4, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
No sure how you can leave Ratliff out.
But while they obviously like Geathers, his status as a project makes him likely to be cut if they find another player that makes a greater contribution to the team than he does. I think they kept him for now to see if he can develop his pass rush ability, but 7 DL is a lot, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him cut to add pieces at CB or ILB if they find a player who could contribute right away.
by KeyOfZ on Sep 4, 2011 8:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I left Ratliff out cause I think he is beat up. I dunno what he is going to do this year.
He was really terrific two years ago. Last year he made the pro bowl on reputation alone.
If the Texans cut JJ Watt , or if the Bucs drop Bowers sure cut Geathers.
But I don’t know how you cut him unless you find a young guy who offers the potential upside that he does.
You cut Brooking (he is 36) before you cut Geathers who is 23.
I hope the Cowboys are not too focused on win now at the expense of the future.
If you get a guy who helps you got 9-7 instead of 7-9 if it is at the expense of the future.
9-7 and getting blow out in a play off game in Green Bay isn’t really much better than 7-9 and out of the play offs.
If the Cowboys cut young players only to go 9-7 and get crushed by Green Bay in a play off game is still a lost season.
Don’t go with vets just so you can go 9-7 instead of 7-9
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 4, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I honestly agree with (almost) everything you said.
But based on history and what Jerry has already said about wanting to win this year, I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised to see Geathers cut.
The only part I don’t agree with you on is Ratliff. The man is extremely talented, and while he doesn’t have Ware status, he’s certainly not in the “everybody else” category yet. Too many people are writing him off before he has a chance to produce in the new system. However, I may be agreeing with you by the bye week. We’ll see.
by KeyOfZ on Sep 4, 2011 11:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe I was too harsh on Ratliff. Of course he is talented But he has taken a lot of physical abuse. I don’t know if it is going to start cutting into his play.
by Jonathan Stern on Sep 4, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You weren't too harsh
I love Rat, but he’s clearly wearing down. There needs to be a plan to replace his production.
I think Coleman would be the odd one out
I know he was one of RR’s in Cleveland but due to age and the fact that he is better then Igor but not more then average lineman. I think that if they found someone that they could plug in to push the pocket a little more then they’d do it. Geathers needs work and if he does have the athletic ability his size will make him valuable.
Time to trade Choice
We can grab a nice draft pick, open up room for Tanner to succeed, and open a roster spot for Joselio Hansen, a fullback, or someone else.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Sep 4, 2011 4:06 AM CDT reply actions
Sign another safety
Honestly, i like Sensabaugh, but i don’t love him. Now, i love Brandon Meriweather. Cowboys, do something good this offseason and sign him please.
I look at him as Roy Williams 2.0
I’m not feeling stellar about our current safeties but I’m not worried about them either. I think they would try to bring in vet at CB before another safety.
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