Fearless Season Prognostication: The Return Of The O-Ring
About this time last year, living up to my moniker, I offered up a less-than-popular prediction post for the 2010 season, in which I asked that we tap the brakes on any playoff talk. The central thrust of my argument was that the Cowboys were immensely talented but would only go as far as their declining offensive line would carry them. As we are too well aware (please stop the memories!), that team was stricken by ailments much more fearsome than an aging O-line. Nevertheless, there are a couple of valuable takeaways from both the article and the season that followed it.
First, the Cowboys coaches obviously felt that O-line was the position group of greatest concern (and any detailed review of the offensive playcalling demonstrates that Jason Garrett was clearly trying to disguise its many deficiencies). They have spent this offseason radically overhauling that unit. More importantly, however, is the viability of the theory I used to substantiate my thesis: the O-ring Theory. As with most good things here on BTB, this idea was brought to us by O.C.C., in a terrific "gridiron academy" post. According to O-ring Theory, an otherwise equal production process (i.e., a collective entity such as a football team) is only as strong as its weakest link.
This applies not only to the weakest position group on a given team, but to the weakest link within that group. In 2010, I thought that would be the O-line, and was particularly worried by the presence of Alex Barron. At the dawning of the 2011 campaign, however, I feel a strange calm when I think of the big uglies, even in the likes of Kevin Kowalski and Jermey Parnell. What I feel much less secure--even downright uneasy--about is in the play of their brethren in big ugliness, the defensive line. Before I continue, however, I'd like to offer a couple of thoughts on what transpired defensively last year.
Those thoughts, and a season prediction, after the jump...
One of the recurring Cowboys memes with which I have taken issue in recent months is that the biggest defensive problem in 2010 was secondary play. Every time I hear this, I'm reminded of something former Cowboys cornerback Ike Holt said about the Eagles corners on a defense sporting Reggie White, Jerome Brown and Clyde Simmons: they don't have to be good; they only have to cover for 2 seconds. A terrific pass rush can cover for mediocre secondary talent; conversely, no corner, not even Deion Sanders (and certainly not Nnamdi whats-his-name) can cover an NFL-caliber receiver for five seconds.
A particularly vexing image from last season involves middle linebackers Keith Brooking and Bradie James blitzing the A-gaps only to be deftly picked up by the opposing offensive line. Other than generating interior pressure, what such a maneuver accomplishes is that it ensures one-on-one matchups along the rest of the defensive line. The problem last year is that nobody--other than DeMarcus Ware--was winning these desired matchups. In particular, the down defensive linemen were repeatedly stonewalled, and failed not only to move, but even to dent, the pocket. As a consequence, a pass rush that had been so fierce at the end of 2009 was toothless; opposing quarterbacks operated in a clean pocket, leisurely surveying the field.
As with the offensive line, the Cowboys pass rush had been in decline in the past couple of years. Other than a glorious stretch at the end of 2009, when Anthony Spencer caught fire, Dallas has proven unable to replace Greg Ellis' productivity. Although Ellis became a significant pain in the patoot, he provided a pass rush complement to Ware that gave opposing offensive coordinators sleepless nights. Other than 2008, when Ware exploded, accumulating 20 sacks, and 2006, when Ellis injured his Achilles, the two men had roughly the same number of sacks each season they played opposite one another. The opened up the middle for the likes of Jay Ratliff.
Since Ellis' departure (and because Spencer has failed to duplicate his productivity), Wade Phillips was forced to generate pressure via other means. In 2010, that meant dialing up more frequent blitzes--and more blitzers. Sadly, all this accomplished was to expose the Cowboys' secondary. We could take this as an indictment of Phillips (and, judging from their offseason behavior, that seems to be exactly what the Dallas braintrust is doing), but the fact remains: for parts of 2009 and all of 2010, the D-line was unable to generate consistent pressure or to take advantage of the favorable one-on-one matchups that blitzing creates.
But wait, there's more. Since the end of the season, the Cowboys have lost Stephen Bowen, who many believed to be their best pass rushing down lineman, and added Kenyon Coleman, a stout run defender who has never flashed much in the way of pass rush skills. The preseason games haven't presented overwhelming evidence that 2011's pass rush is likely to be any more potent than 2011's. If you are a rival offensive coach, who, other than Ware, scares you on third and long? Coleman? Spears? Hatcher? Lissemore? Butler? To compound this, the guys who ARE scary have reached the age--Ware is 29; Ratliff is 30--where pass rushers historically begin their decline (for further thoughts on this, go here).
Thus, when the Interwebs were all a-flutter about drafting Prince Amukamaura or picking up Asomugha in free agency, I held that such moves would be treating the symptom and not the disease. If Dallas can't get to the quarterback in 2011, we're not likely to see better secondary play, even if Orlando Scandrick plays up to and beyond his new contract (I think he will) and Mike Jenkins returns to his 2009 form (which I'm betting on as well). As I look at the team Jason Garrett has assembled, I think the offense will be more balanced (and more potent) than it was last year; that the special teams will be considerably stronger, as Joe DeCamillis's core guys will be more seasoned; and that the back seven is solid, if unspectacular--and even trust that the Cowboys will find a reliable kicker by mid-season. The open question is the pass rush and, by extension, Dallas' ability to defend the pass.
Consequently, the Cowboys will go as far as their pass rush takes them. It's difficult, if not impossible, to determine how far this might be, as there are so many uncertainties at play at the game's second most important position group (recall Jimmy Johnson saying that his teams always won with elite quarterback and defensive line play): will somebody emerge opposite Ware? Can Rob Ryan's scheme generate a pass rush exceeding the seemingly limited abilities of its individual parts? Will defensive line coach Brian Baker coach his guys up? Can Dallas' defensive linemen find ways to slash and penetrate in a two-gap system?
I love Garrett and the cultural changes he's effected at Valley Ranch, but those are some mighty big questions. They may be answered, and quickly--as soon as Sunday night. Until they are, however, my elation at the way Garrett has turned this organization around must remain tempered by the gnawing suspicion that the Cowboys are a defensive line overhaul away from being a formidable playoff contender in what looks to be a fiercely competitive NFC landscape.
So, until I see more consistent defensive pressure, I'm going with 9-7--while reserving the right to revise that assessment immediately upon seeing evidence to the contrary.
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Bradie and Brooking
I think thats why RR has Albright going inside. He’d attack with more power then Brooking can muster right now. Or possibly since people say Spencer is better against the run we might find him inside. Moving things around and seeing what works not only helps the player but the overall defense. So they won’t be sure where Ware will end up.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
Musiccitynorm on Reds master plan:
So you’re saying you once read about Red and his master plan When playing larger more physical defensive lines the game plan is to wear them down by making them move a lot, lots of pass plays on 1st and 2nd down,stretch runs and screens,,, then run right at them,,, those numbers seem to bear that out
with the now line it should be even more effective
great article Rabble
next year, defensive oriented draft
if we do that and make a few key signings here and there in free agency, I think we are a real super bowl contender
until we have that defense draft, we are a 8-8/9-7 team
next year if we kill the draft and Rob Ryan gets his guys, like Joe Haden type CB, a TJ Ward type safety, another REAL pass rusher and some DE’s, this team is a super bowl contender
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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Think about that
“if we kill the draft and Rob Ryan gets his guys, like Joe Haden type CB, a TJ Ward type safety, another REAL pass rusher and some DE’s”
If we get a CB, a S, a OLB, and two DE… that’s five starters. You honestly think there’s the slightest chance that we or anyone else picks up five starters in ONE draft?
This year we revamped the offensive line by getting TWO starters (Costa was already on the roster), and you expect to replace half the defense in one year?
We'll need 4
I think Church will be a starter next year so we’ll need a backup if it isn’t AOA (move him back to corner). Its highly doubtful but it could happen. Lets see what we find in our UDFA’s.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
Musiccitynorm on Reds master plan:
So you’re saying you once read about Red and his master plan When playing larger more physical defensive lines the game plan is to wear them down by making them move a lot, lots of pass plays on 1st and 2nd down,stretch runs and screens,,, then run right at them,,, those numbers seem to bear that out
with the now line it should be even more effective
your shorting Arkin
Hudson Houck said Arkin is going to be a great guard but Nagy is more polished,
Arkin is going to be better than Nagy at some point.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Unintended
I didn’t mean to short Arkin, but I intentionally didn’t include him because Chia wants five players to start right away. Arkin, while he looks to be a solid pick, doesn’t meet that description so I didn’t include him.
I think a big problem with people on this board is many people expect draft picks to start right away, while the team has a much longer-term view when drafting. The team foresees a need at ILB, so they grab Sean Lee and Bruce Carter so they have time to coach them up before they’re needed. Plug-and-play guys like Tyron Smith are the exception, not the rule.
I'll ask what I asked below; why do you think an updgrade at linebacker isn't
a more immediate need? I don’t expect all draft picks to start right away, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect the first couple to contribute pretty quickly.
Long Term
It’s worth it in the long run. I (and the Cowboys coaching staff) would gladly trade one year of injury recovery and learning if it means we get first round linebacker play for the next 5-7 years.
Also, I think ILB is already upgraded with Sean Lee playing more, and considering Carter is on the PUP and not IR, there’s a good chance we could see Carter make an impact the second half of the season. Probably not like Lee did against the Colts, but still.
how many would you like? 7 picks 4 contributors right now
1 Smith a starter,
2 Nagy a starter,
3 Arkin a backup guard, next year starter
4 Murray a ? 2nd stringer/ starter, who knows how much Red has planned for him?
Albright, Geathers, Kolowski,
So you are upset with the Carter pick? 30 reps and 4.4 speed, do you guys relize he is stronger than any of our O-Line and faster than all our safeties (now that AOA is on the practice squad), and faster than half our corners,,, were talking about an inside Lber,,, these numbers are crazy good
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Please see below. I did not use the word "upset." I said I was having
doubts about it and was willing to be wrong. You don’t need to defend the guy to me or quote stats. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want a fairly high second-round pick to be playing early, particularly on a D that was really, really poor last year. I’m not panicking. I"m not freaking out. I’m asking a reasonable question and acknowledging that rabb may be right and we may be a year away from contention.
just this board?
I think a big problem with people on this board is many people expect draft picks to start right away
I agree with you, there seems to be a real problem here with excepting Romo, Ratliff, Austin, and others were not good when they got here, most of us didn’t even know Romo we wanted Henson, for those who dont remember Ratliff was in a camp battle with a guy named Johnson, and more than just a couple guys wanted Hurd to start in front of Austin,
And my favorite was the group who wanted to cut Free because he didn’t dress the year before he took Columbo’s spot up to the playoffs,
And there are a few right now who care nothing for Lee, and he’s a star in the making.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
2008
McQ was the swing tackle activated in the games while Free was inactive.
Considering McQ stank, what was one to think about Free?
wrong -----kindof
Doug Free was being groomed to play LT and LT only, Parcells told us his feet were really good and he would be a good left tackle, the team decided to keep Free at LT and continue his training in hopes of not messing him up,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't free drafted by Wade
not parcells?
or are you just saying Parcells said that from the BSPN studios?
Drafted 4th round 2007
So it would be Wade and JG’s first year.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
Musiccitynorm on Reds master plan:
So you’re saying you once read about Red and his master plan When playing larger more physical defensive lines the game plan is to wear them down by making them move a lot, lots of pass plays on 1st and 2nd down,stretch runs and screens,,, then run right at them,,, those numbers seem to bear that out
with the now line it should be even more effective
BP had nothing to do with Free
And clearly whoever said that was pretty much wrong. Tackles go from one side to the other now and then.
If Free had so much potential so clearly, he would have been the Swing Tackle in 2008. From all accounts the light suddenly came on during the 2009 camp. Till then he was in the Sam Young category.
I don't think he was in Sam Young territory
More like Holland.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
Musiccitynorm on Reds master plan:
So you’re saying you once read about Red and his master plan When playing larger more physical defensive lines the game plan is to wear them down by making them move a lot, lots of pass plays on 1st and 2nd down,stretch runs and screens,,, then run right at them,,, those numbers seem to bear that out
with the now line it should be even more effective
That's a big area . . .
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
calm down buddy
I was also talking about depth, I didnt say 5 starters, I said 2 starters, a Joe Haden like CB and a TJ Ward like S
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
which the Browns did in one draft
they landed Haden and Ward one year
not all 2nd rd picks have to be injured and projects, just saying
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
free agency as well
if we cant get a good corner and a DE or safety with our first two picks, than we failed again
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If Butler improves in the run game
We will already have that pass rusher on the team and then all we need is to draft another developmental type to back him up.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
i look for the 1st or 2nd pick to be a DL
its hard to find elite 300+lb DL & theres only so many before your just gambling on projects or knuckleheads
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
I have high, high Hopes for Spears,
Hatcher over Igor is going to add more pass rushing pressure,,, Plus they switched sides with hatcher and I hear he’s had a good camp in the coaches eyes,
I think just by replacing Igor and letting Spears do more than occupy blockers we will be much better in that department,
crazy prediction
I think Spears has an awesome season, gets like 6 sacks, plays better than he ever has since he is finally let off his Wade leash
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Big quick guys playing DL do well in this scheme
See Fat Albert before going to the skins, His job should be to disrupt plays not occupy blockers like before,
I’m expecting a role like Alberts
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Spears has an awesome season, gets like 6 sacks, plays better than he ever has since he is finally let off his Wade leash
that is crazy. spears has 8 sack total is 6 years … under 2 different coaches.
supposedly spears was going to blow up when he got let off the parcell’s leash.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it wasn't you, but I've responded before to the same question
Spears had an interview where he said the coaches were using him where AFTER he had surmized it was pass he could rush the passer but before that he played the run first, as I said above watching Haynesworth in this system all he did was try and get into the backfield and be disruptive,
He was also replaced by Bowen and Hatcher in passing downs,
My hope is, Spears was really, really good in a comparable role at LSU, I expect him to be good at this role now, My second hope is, if he gets to try and beat the O-linman with his first move instead of engaging and then trying to beat him will be an advantage for him, he is quick, My third hope is with Rex throwing players all over the field he is going to get some free looks at the QB,
Haynesworth did not want to go to a defense very similiar to Wades in Washington, and when he did, he disappeared, got benched for not playing the run first.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I could make a ‘spears isn’t gonna have 6 sacks’ bet with you on the other side.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
why is it crazy? Calais Campbell had like 7 and he is very average
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Hm...
I got 8 sacks with Spears in ONE GAME of Madden yesterday.
Yes but 3-4 DEs still seem to get more sacks than the OLBs
Even though the OLBs are better pass-rushers. Makes me mad.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
stop playing on rookie level
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
But All-Pros too hard
The computer always has to catch up in the last 3 minutes :(
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
I hear ya....all pro and madden is so hard
its unrealistic. Too many pics by lb’s that can jump 50 ft in the air to make a pic
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
I was picked off on an over the shoulder pass by a LB in man coverage
and he jumped up 20 feet to get it. I also threw a perfect bomb into the endzone to Dez Bryant on PA, apparently though it was a perfect pass to the CB
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
Gets very frustrating
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Spears also is matched up on Wayne Hunter tonight I believe
now that he has swapped sides. Could be wrong though
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I wish it was tonight!
Sadly we must wait till Sunday
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
bahaha. good point
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
what has Spears shown since he was drafted that gives you high, high hopes?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
Good Article
This is absolutely correct. Our biggest question marks going into this season are the OLine and the Front Seven on defense.
The good news about OLine is that these five guys should be at least as good as last year. While that’s damning them with faint praise, the offense was still able to put points on the board and there’s always the chance they exceed expectations.
The real question is the defense: Can they stop the run and can they rush the passer? Currently I’m a little more worried about the run defense because we got pushed around in the preseason, but I’m hoping that was mainly due to testing Igor and that during the regular season Spears, Hatcher, Ratliff and the other 18 defensive linemen step it up.
The other half of that was the pass rush which you perfectly illustrated here. The way to beat good offenses (which almost exclusively means good passing offenses) is to disrupt the passer. The 4-3 way to do that is to get pressure with your front four and drop seven guys into coverage (think Giants vs Patriots in the Superbowl), and the main way with the 3-4 is to disguise the blitz. If you saw the GB-NO game last night Matthews and Hawk were coming straight through the A gap again and again because the OLine didn’t know where the blitz was coming (that and Raji is a beast). This is the same way the Ryan brothers get pressure.
Also, as an aside, for everyone who wants a giant Nose Tackle to replace Ratliff, if you could kindly point out where to get one that’d be great. It’s not like those guys grow on trees. Off the top of my head I can think of Raji, Ngata, Wilfork… and that’s about it. Might as well say we need to replace Romo with someone like Peyton Manning.
I'll admit that I'm a bit surprised that they didn't make any real moves
to address the D line. I’m not going to apologize (as some think I/we should) for wanting the O line addressed aggressively and for being happy about the drafting of Smith, but I’m not real clear on why so little was done to upgrade the D. I’ll admit, and I’ll be happy if it ends up working out, that right now, the Carter pick doesn’t thrill me. I guess I had gotten the impression that while he had been injured, he’d be ready to go when the season started. Did the team underestimate his injury, or did they know he’d still be hobbled at this point? Could the pick have been used differently? Beats me. But I think you may be right that they’re a draft away from being back in contention. i hope we’re both wrong.
I think they are just taking their time with Carter
We’ve made so many mistakes by rushing players out onto the field when they aren’t 100%. I think by dropping him on the IR so we can use his spot right now and giving him 6 weeks to finish mending was a good choice.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
Musiccitynorm on Reds master plan:
So you’re saying you once read about Red and his master plan When playing larger more physical defensive lines the game plan is to wear them down by making them move a lot, lots of pass plays on 1st and 2nd down,stretch runs and screens,,, then run right at them,,, those numbers seem to bear that out
with the now line it should be even more effective
No, I understand that. But my question is, did they know they would have to do this
when they drafted him? If they did, why not go for more immediate help? I get that they figured they were getting a bargain, but, at least right now, if feels like it was Jerry getting cute again. I will be happy to eat my words if he’s on the field in a couple of months and is a beast.
most Rookies are not "beast", hurt or not
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Very Clear
Is there really any question what the Carter pick was about? James and Brooking are old and need to be replaced by 2012. That’s it, plain and simple.
While they need to be replaced, they will be fine this year especially as Sean Lee is splitting time with them. That gives Carter plenty of time to heal to be ready to come in and start next year. If our scouting department was correct and Carter/Lee were first round talents available in the second round, that’s great value and excellent drafting because they’ll be ready to go by the time they’re needed.
As far as addressing the rest of the defense, Jenkins and Scandrick are the starters for the future like it or not. In all likelihood Jenkins will be somewhere between the awfulness of last year and the near-Pro Bowl level of 2009 and a solid starter. And as this post details, the best way to help the secondary is to improve the pass rush.
As far as addressing DLine, the team is clearly going for quantity and hoping to find some quality. Why else would you have 7 or 8 linemen on the roster to fill 3 starting spots? Safety is just a one-year stopgap, and that’s one of the primary things that will need to be addressed in the future.
Why do you think Brooking will be fine this year? He wasn't even fine last year,
he’s now a year older, and he was injured all of preseason. I’m well aware of what the thinking was behind Lee and Carter. I’m just not seeing any benefits yet, although as I said, I’m very willing to be wrong. The only thing I can conclude is that the powers that be think we are a draft away from contention, too, and are willing to wait on these guys.
Brooking is fine in limited action
He still has the skill; just not for very long. With fewer snaps he will have a much greater impact.
Besides, the whole front seven should be better simply by trying harder. Defense is about effort more so than offense and Spencer all but admitted that he wasn’t prepared on game day because he was not required to put the work in during the week. It would not be a stretch to say that he was not the only one.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
I love your quote by the way.
Although am slightly irked by the use of the conditional in the tenses of the verbs. Don’t mind me, I’m crazy like that
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
the Murray pick didn't thrill me either. I was hoping (and would have chosen if it were me) for an OL, DL, and pass rusher in the first 3 rounds in some order.
In this case, we had Tyron Smith, Daquan Bowers, and Kenrick Ellis all lined up for us in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds to take. Tyron is a given now. I think The Dude would have been able to figure out how to use Bowers in a 3-4 as a pass rusher/all-round backfield disrupter. I also think Ellis would have worked out, though he faced legal problems, even if he didn’t it’s only a 3rd rounder, and we might have wound up with a real big disruptor in the middle of the DL, wherever The Dude wanted him.
Those were areas we could have used real upgrades, and it was distinctly available when we picked. I’m disappointed we chose another injured ILB, and a 3rd string RB (good as Murray might be, his was NOT an area of weakness). I would frankly think our front 7 would be a very fearsome lot with Ware, Bowers, Rat, Ellis, and Spencer, while also having Butler, Hatcher, and whoever else contributing.
I'd be surprised if Bowers was even on their board.
Too many questions: injury, scheme fit, one-year wonder…
by rabblerousr on Sep 10, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It was asked in another thread
how did the coaches miss Spencer dogging it in practice? They watch film, how did they miss this ?
Wonder if Wade being HC and DC was to much
I don't know, but again it's not like Spencer was giving up
It was that there were external noticible flaws in his game that he didn’t notice until he watched the film.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
I tend to agree that he did "give up"
He was far from the only one, how many people here would “give up” if Wade was your boss? I think a lot of guys “gave up”
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he was dogging
Just following the pace of practice set by the HC.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
of course Spencer wants to believe it’s his practice habits. That doesn’t make it so.
here’s are 2 possible explanations.
1. Spencer wasn’t good because he didn’t practice hard. Ergo, if he practices hard he’ll be good.
2. Spencer wasn’t good because Spencer isn’t good. If he practices hard he still won’t be good.
which of those 2 explanations do think is easier for Spencer to stomach psychologically?
The explanation that says Spencer is fundamentally good or the explanation that says that fundamentally Spencer isn’t that good? That its all under his control and if he just practices hard riches and success are his? Or the it’s not under his control and even if he practices hard he’s not going to be successful?
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont want you to think I argue just to argue,
but Spencer was one of the top rated OLBers in the league against the run, So spencer was good in that regard,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
so are channing crowder and brandon spikes.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
awesome against the run.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok but let's say Spencer has tells
That he only noticed this season, or wouldn’t listen to last season. If you correct those tells maybe some of his problems will be fixed.
The worst possible scenario isn’t always correct.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
maybe. anyway, spence has a huge incentive psychologically to believe it’s practice.
i’m sure it’s easier to stomach that it’s bad practice than the alternative, which is that he’s inherently just not that good.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
of course, the real psychological incentive
is to say that he was good, and that he practiced well, and that EXTERNAL factors kept his awesomeness from being appreciated. Or he could decide he just wasn’t any good, and quit. Both require no effort.
On the other hand, blaming your poor performance on poor practice makes life very very hard for you: 1) You are admitting you didn’t work hard enough and therefore committing yourself to long painful hours of practice. 2) You are putting huge pressure on yourself to succeed, because if you don’t, that makes you look even WORSE than someone who stinks—it makes you look like someone who didn’t even try.
I don’t think this is, psychologically, the easy way out. Spencer may stink or he may not, but what he said is good news for any Cowboys fan, because it’s a guarantee that he is not letting himself off the hook.
Of course
This means if he even gets the same stats from 2009 we could still resign him to a paycut for a couple of years needing proof he can play at full speed.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
Musiccitynorm on Reds master plan:
So you’re saying you once read about Red and his master plan When playing larger more physical defensive lines the game plan is to wear them down by making them move a lot, lots of pass plays on 1st and 2nd down,stretch runs and screens,,, then run right at them,,, those numbers seem to bear that out
with the now line it should be even more effective
position coaches work closer to the players then the HC or even the DC
Wade was just spread to thin & Jerry was in control of more things then he is now.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
Even with a nuclear-powered spreader
I don’t think you can spread Wade thin. Just can’t.
Don't believe everything you think.
Bad news, Jay Ratliff was just extended to the ripe old age of 35
I’m guessing this was a Jerry Jones move. Rat is in decline. And although he deserved to get paid better for his past performance, I can’t say that this made a whole lot of sense for the cowboys as a team. Projecting that a 30 yo player in decline will have a resurgence is risky business. Hopefully it’s not really a 5 year deal. I did see that it was for 18 mil guaranteed, with 10 mil up front. So, maybe it’s really a 2 or 3 year deal. That I could stomach a bit more. But it still doesn’t make sense to do this so early. Why not wait 3/4 of the season to see if he really had something left in the tank?
agree...I m still not sure if this was really from JG head...
because that much money paying to the 30y old player doesnt make sense….Ratliff can play for 2-3 years as maximum to be capable player, not more…so if it would be even 5 years left in contract, it would be really too much…
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
this just in!
about 4 threads ago we discussed this, I want to see the specifics, Micheal Vick has a 5 year 100 million contract that is really a two year 28 million or something crazy,,, GM’s have gotten so crazy with numbers and front end loaded contracts its crazy, I think we wer about 12 million under cap, what if Jay got 10 million guaranteed this year? leaving us 6 for next year and 2 the year after that?
sic em norm!!! lol...just4fun.....we never sleep
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Sleep?
what is this “sleep” that you speak of?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 10, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Note that we have 4 UDFAs make the roster, which seems about Dallas's average
Phillip Tanner and Kolwaski look pretty good.
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here’s college highlights of Alex Albright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWALbbN6cg
Phillip Tanner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olYhvsfdSso&feature=related
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by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I can definitely see why they want Albright to play linebacker
He can put his hand on the ground to play DE, but can also rush from a standing position, and drop back into coverage.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
he’s definitely strong, what I don’t see from him is great speed around the edge. He reminds me of Anthony Spencer. Offensive linemen can’t move him, and he beats his match ups with RBs and TEs, but he doesn’t have the ability to dip his shoulder and turn the corner like Ware and Butler
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by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Albright it the answer.
Strong and can rush the passer.
I hope we see him on the field soon.
You know what Kenny Powers says? Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The defense will definitely be a liability this year.
But given our schedule, I’ve got us at 9-7, with; 7 W’s including: washingtonx2, 49ers, seattle, buffalo, miami, arizona; 4 Toss up games including: detroit, st louis, NYGx2. 5 L’s include Phillyx2, tampa, new england, NYJ.
That’s pretty good to me, esp with a young offensive line, and young skill position players the team should get better, not worse.
agreed
the question is: will they be good enough before Tony Romo and DeMarcus Ware are through?
Having to find the two comparable players at the two most difficult positions won’t be easy. They lucked into one of them the last time around…
Really they lucked into both.
Just because you pick an OLB in the first doesn’t mean he’ll be in GOAT contention or even good: See Anthony Spencer. We really lucked out on D-Ware, I really would like to see this group get a ring before they retire.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
D-Ware
is GOAT material that’s luck no matter which way you slice it
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
So what you're saying is, if I get this correct
That getting the number 1 draft pick in the year when Peyton Manning comes out is not luckier than getting the number 1 draft pick when Eli comes out?
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
I'm saying that you need to give the scouting department a little credit
The drafting process isn’t blind luck. Some teams draft consistently better than others. Using Peyton/leaf as an example. Was San Diego unlucky to get Leaf the bust instead of Peyton. No, Leaf had red flags that were ignored. They took him any way
To say that getting a great player with a high first round pick is luck is in accurate. That is precisely when you expect to get a player like that. Getting Romo as a free agent was lucky. You don’t expect to get a player like him as a free agent. (although, Dallas seems to be pretty good at it)
I'm sorry but a player of the caliber of Demarcus Ware
or Peyton Manning does not come out every draft. In order to run a 3-4 you need a high quality OLB, and Demarcus Ware just hapenned to be there when we needed him.
GOAT players don’t just fall out of the sky. I credit the scouting department for finding him. But I credit luck for him being there when we needed him.
Do you think every player drafted in the Top 12 who doesn’t bust should be going to Canton?
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
If the culture of playing the best player regardless of age continues
Those play makers will be found. The problem this team has had is attitude of “we only need to draft backups” mentality. Replacements for d’ware and romo, would have been difficult under the last regime. If Garrett is true to his philosophy, then their replacements will be searched for now rather that in 3 years win they are in the decline.
I agree agian
I’m going to go back to work now, you let them know what I’m thinking.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't it Tampa who had the really easy schedule last year?
I think we beat them
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Tampa is really good though,
Josh Freeman looks like the real deal. Plus there’s the NFC South Curse to attend to etc.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
yeah, i debated about putting them in the toss up group
that would put it at 9.5 wins and 6.5 losses.
I totally don’t believe in arizona by the way. Kolb couldn’t beat this team last year. Sure, he was playing with philly back ups, but he seemed to be more of a problem than they were.
BTW, Smith update from DMN
Smith, the Cowboys’ first-round draft pick out of Southern California, said he didn’t test his injured knee much in practice Friday, just doing the walk-through. He said how his knee reacts Saturday to what he did today will help determine whether he can play Sunday. Smith also said he’ll run more Saturday to test the knee in an effort to figure out if he can go Sunday…..
…..“I’m just taking it one day at a time and I’ll see how it feels tomorrow after working on it today. It’s looking pretty good as each day goes by.”
Also, reference the brace question
Smith said he was hurt in practice Wednesday when he was blocking Cowboys linebacker DeMarcus Ware. He said someone hit him from behind and hyperextended his knee. Smith said having a brace on when his knee was hurt helped.
“It really saved me,” Smith said. "It could have been worse than what it was. It was just more of a bone bruise on my knee.
Don't believe everything you think.
good stuff
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
There was a lot of debate here about whether they wore them and if they help
so I found it interesting…
Don't believe everything you think.
Yeah, I actually thought someone had said for sure that JG wasn't making them
wear them. Glad they were wrong.
I was saying yesterday about thanking god for our guys wearing those braces
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize why it's called O-ring theory?
What it took, and takes, to get the inept and seemingly cash-conscious to wake up to reality, right?
Need a Challenger pic?
Cry 'Havoc!'
There, there, little ham
It’s why there’s the question, not the image.
Still unable to shake the one in my mind. And heart.
Cry 'Havoc!'
well you asked the question and i answered
yup..its a shame
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Yup, asked and answered.
No offense taken, none intended, on either of our sides as I see it. Even my consoling “there, there” was only to lighten the tone.
Cry 'Havoc!'
I always thought it was called the O-Ring theory
because of oxygen tanks and the like. If you don’t have a good o-ring, doesn’t matter how high quality the oxygen is in the tank, it’s all gonna leak out.
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
I just read Calvin Watkins commenting that Lee, for whatever reason,
Can’t take the next step. Thoughts?
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
For me that means
Lee is headed for a break-out season. Watkins is a knicklehead.
Don't believe everything you think.
hahahaha soooo true, if a footaball hit him in the head
he’d cary it to the baseball field and throw it back.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a couple of videos to get you guys hyped up for this weekend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcPPHMqTZRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GKg8G9sMWUY
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Ok, now you have done it.
I clicked on the cheerleader link to see what you had there, and that started me off on videos.
Starting with this one…..
one thing though rabble
You don’t mention that in this defense our 3 DL’s are not supposed to be pass rushers per say. They may push the pocket a bit, Rat may get a few but they are not pass rushers. What you are saying isn’t really about the DL other than that push into the pocket. It’s Anthony Spencer’s play. He needs to be replaced by another up and coming OLB or draft another tweener and wait 2 years. This team needs one now, not later with a lot of starters close or over 30. IF, and that’s a huge if, Anthony Spencer can be coached up and correct his problems he was seeing on film we could see it this year. If not, well 9-7 might be generous.
Not to be that good, but how awesome would it have been if we could've gotten
Clay Matthews in 2009 instead of trading away our pick. I know hindsight is 20-20 but this guy is a beast at LOLB.
Yes I know I’m beating a dead horse here
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
*Not to be that guy*
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
I've yet to encounter someone who does lol
Andy's Kolb was really bad so Andy hatched a plan, when his Kolb said play me now, Andy shouted no and ran. Andy tricked his mean old Kolb and traded him to the Cardinals, The Cardinals didn't know Kolb sucked, because Andy never told them
a lot of people did at the time!
those threads are entertaining
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Sep 9, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Clay Matthews
is the most overrated player in the league. Last night he said he was gonna show us that G.B. belonged to the elite defenses. Well, 34 points and 500 yards of offense later he failed to show us.
well if Matthews sucks then what would you call Ware after the yards they give up last season?
seriously Matthews is one of the top pass rushers in the NFL
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
lol
Clay Matthews had a beast season on his way to a ring, he can say whatever he wants this year, he earned it
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
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by Archie Barberio on Sep 9, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
the problem is DL doesn't get any push
if the DL can’t get the push then the rest of the defense doesn’t work. everything on both sides of the ball starts upfront.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth!
I'm going to say Dallas goes 16-0
but I reserve the right to amend that depending on what I see throughout the year.
hey that is my theory
don’t get cocky though…I take my tile seriously…see sig
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 10, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Title*
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.
by I am Ironman!!! on Sep 10, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
This was great article
MONEY QUOTE:
One of the recurring Cowboys memes with which I have taken issue in recent months is that the biggest defensive problem in 2010 was secondary play. Every time I hear this, I’m reminded of something former Cowboys cornerback Ike Holt said about the Eagles corners on a defense sporting Reggie White, Jerome Brown and Clyde Simmons: they don’t have to be good; they only have to cover for 2 seconds. A terrific pass rush can cover for mediocre secondary talent; conversely, no corner, not even Deion Sanders (and certainly not Nnamdi whats-his-name) can cover an NFL-caliber receiver for five seconds.
Super Funny Stuff!
Leon Lett wpuld be Ring of honour if not for this fateful day.
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