2012 Dallas Cowboys Free Agent Cornerback Primer: Finnegan, Grimes, Carr And More
Free agency will not officially begin until the start of the new league year in March. But over the next days and weeks, you'll be hearing all sorts of speculation, whispers and rumors about which players the Cowboys could conceivably be targeting in free agency.
Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes, Brandon Carr and many more names will pop up as potential candidates for the Cowboys' secondary. To help you stay on top the who's who in the cornerback market, we've compiled a little free agent cornerback primer with key stats for all the free agent cornerbacks who played at least 25% of their teams' snaps in 2011.
After the break, we look at the top 20 free agent corners, how they held up in pass coverage and how they ultimately graded out.
Obviously, stats are not the only thing that counts in evaluating free agents. But stats do help a little to form a picture of a player you may have never heard of, or whom you've never watched play.
All of the stats below are highly contingent upon the scheme, position, number of snaps, type of defense and many other variables that affect a players' numbers. Just because one guy has a better defensive passer rating (to use just one example) than another guy doesn't automatically make him better. So don't take the rankings as gospel, rather, use them as an orientation as you navigate the Cowboys' options among free agent corners.
Free agent corners in pass coverage
Quick explanation of the stats we'll use below:
Burn rate: number of catches a corner allows versus the number of balls thrown at the receiver he is covering. For example, a burn rate of 80% would mean that opponents have completed eight of ten passes thrown at the receiver the cornerback is covering. The lower the number the better.
Defensive Passer Rating (DPR): uses the same data and formula used for the passer rating for the quarterback (i.e. completion percentage, yard per attempt, touchdowns and interceptions), but applies them to a defender, where they become completion percentage allowed (aka 'burn rate'), yards per attempt allowed, touchdowns allowed and interceptions made. The lower the number the better
NFL rank: DPR ranking among 109 corners who played on at least 25% of their teams' snaps in 2011.
| Name | Team | Snaps | Targets | Receptions | Yds | TDs | INTs | DPR | Burn Rate | Burn Rate Rank | |
| Brent Grimes | ATL | 706 | 56 | 25 | 258 | 2 | 1 | 62.9 | 44.6 | 5 | |
| Brandon Carr | KC | 1,030 | 79 | 39 | 511 | 3 | 4 | 61.7 | 49.4 | 13 | |
| Jason Allen | HST | 508 | 71 | 36 | 435 | 4 | 4 | 65.2 | 50.7 | 17 | |
| Jarrett Bush | GB | 297 | 37 | 19 | 302 | 2 | 2 | 74.4 | 51.4 | 19 | |
| Richard Marshall | ARZ | 847 | 54 | 28 | 394 | 2 | 3 | 64.9 | 51.9 | 20 | |
| Carlos Rogers | SF | 1,024 | 106 | 56 | 761 | 3 | 6 | 61.9 | 52.8 | 26 | |
| William Gay | PIT | 970 | 83 | 44 | 457 | 2 | 2 | 67.2 | 53.0 | 28 | |
| Donald Strickland | NYJ | 331 | 50 | 28 | 334 | 2 | 0 | 89.9 | 56.0 | 41 | |
| Tim Jennings | CHI | 1,028 | 110 | 63 | 700 | 0 | 2 | 68.8 | 57.3 | 47 | |
| Al Harris | SL | 362 | 29 | 17 | 292 | 1 | 0 | 104.4 | 58.6 | 52 | |
| Alan Ball | DAL | 498 | 51 | 31 | 448 | 1 | 1 | 87.7 | 60.8 | 63 | |
| Will D. Allen | MIA | 676 | 59 | 36 | 340 | 2 | 0 | 88.2 | 61.0 | 64 | |
| Kelly Jennings | CIN | 403 | 49 | 30 | 397 | 3 | 0 | 107.3 | 61.2 | 65 | |
| Eric Wright | DET | 1,043 | 120 | 75 | 842 | 5 | 4 | 83.4 | 62.5 | 71 | |
| William Middleton | JAX | 400 | 30 | 19 | 164 | 1 | 1 | 74.9 | 63.3 | 76 | |
| Cortland Finnegan | TEN | 1,142 | 82 | 52 | 456 | 2 | 1 | 81.1 | 63.4 | 77 | |
| Antwaun Molden | NE | 306 | 36 | 23 | 325 | 3 | 2 | 97.6 | 63.9 | 79 | |
| Rashean Mathis | JAX | 542 | 45 | 30 | 383 | 3 | 1 | 106.1 | 66.7 | 87 | |
| Aaron Ross | NYG | 999 | 84 | 57 | 811 | 6 | 4 | 102.8 | 67.9 | 91 | |
| Tracy Porter | NO | 706 | 73 | 52 | 622 | 2 | 1 | 100.4 | 71.2 | 99 |
"Burn Rate" is a stat that is often discounted with an argument favored by Asomugha apologists: A player is "so good" that opposing offenses are simply not throwing his way. A look at the numbers should clear that right up.
On average, the 109 corners in this analysis were target on 9.3% of their defensive snaps. The lowest value with 4.9%, is indeed held by Nnamdi Asomugha, closely followed by the Rams' Bradley Fletcher with 5.6% (whom nobody will confuse for a shut-down corner) the highest value is 15.1%, held by the Jets' Donald Strickland. So yes, there are differences in number of targets per corner, but these depend on a lot of factors, only one of which is the quality of the corner in question.
In any case, the much more important question is how successful a given corner is once he's targeted, and the Burn rate answers that question. A burn rate below 50% is an excellent value for a corner in today's NFL.
Of the starting corners in the league, the Jets' Darrelle Revis (41.2%) and the Steelers' Ike Taylor (41.7%) led the league. Asomugha (61.7%) ranks 68th among all 109 corners in this analysis. To put that rate in context, Mike Jenkins (51.9%, 22nd) and even Alan Ball (60.8, 63rd) are better, with Terence Newman (62.8%, 74th) only slightly off the pace.
Overall 2011 Corner Grades
We'll use the Pro Football Focus grades for this second exercise. Once again, just to make sure we have the definitions right:
PFF Grades: PFF look at game tape, assign a grade for every play and then ‘normalize’ the data so that the average player for a given position is graded at zero. The higher the positive grading the better the performance and vice versa.
However, these grades are cumulative. Say you have two players who consistently are graded with a +1.0 per game. However, one is injured after eight games, the other plays the full 16 games. The result: one player gets a +8.0 for the season, while the other gets a +16.0 although they basically played the exactly the same.
| Rank | Name | Team | Age | Snaps | Overall Grade | Pass Rush | Coverage | vs. Run | Penalties |
| 2 | Brent Grimes | ATL | 28 | 706 | 16.0 | -0.2 | 12.3 | 2.0 | 1.9 |
| 3 | Cortland Finnegan | TEN | 27 | 1,142 | 15.8 | -0.4 | 9.6 | 6.4 | 0.2 |
| 7 | William Middleton | JAX | 25 | 400 | 10.0 | -0.2 | 3.1 | 6.4 | 0.7 |
| 9 | Carlos Rogers | SF | 30 | 1,024 | 9.9 | -0.9 | 5.8 | 2.9 | 2.1 |
| 17 | Tim Jennings | CHI | 28 | 1,028 | 7.4 | -0.2 | 3.7 | 3.2 | 0.7 |
| 22 | Al Harris | SL | 37 | 362 | 4.4 | -0.2 | 2.5 | 0.6 | 1.5 |
| 30 | Brandon Carr | KC | 25 | 1,030 | 2.7 | 0.4 | 3.9 | -1.3 | -0.3 |
| 44 | Jason Allen | HST | 28 | 508 | 0.4 | 0.0 | -1.8 | 2.2 | 0.0 |
| 45 | William Gay | PIT | 27 | 970 | 0.1 | -0.3 | -2.8 | 2.9 | 0.3 |
| 47 | Rashean Mathis | JAX | 31 | 542 | -0.1 | 0.0 | -2.7 | 3.4 | -0.8 |
| 48 | Donald Strickland | NYJ | 31 | 331 | -0.2 | -0.8 | -0.7 | 1.5 | -0.2 |
| 52 | Richard Marshall | ARZ | 27 | 847 | -1.2 | 1.0 | 2.9 | -2.4 | -2.7 |
| 53 | Aaron Ross | NYG | 29 | 999 | -1.4 | -0.3 | -3.8 | 2.3 | 0.4 |
| 56 | Jarrett Bush | GB | 27 | 297 | -2.1 | -1.9 | -1.9 | 0.5 | 1.2 |
| 69 | Kelly Jennings | CIN | 29 | 403 | -3.4 | 0.4 | -6.2 | 1.1 | 1.3 |
| 78 | Will D. Allen | MIA | 33 | 676 | -4.7 | -3.9 | -4.0 | 1.6 | 1.6 |
| 80 | Antwaun Molden | NE | 26 | 306 | -5.2 | 0.0 | -5.6 | 1.1 | -0.7 |
| 81 | Alan Ball | DAL | 26 | 498 | -5.3 | 2.0 | -5.1 | 0.1 | -2.3 |
| 91 | Tracy Porter | NO | 25 | 706 | -7.6 | -0.9 | -5.6 | 0.0 | -1.1 |
| 105 | Eric Wright | DET | 26 | 1,043 | -14.1 | -1.1 | -8.3 | -2 | -2.7 |
Expected Points Added EPA for 2012 free agent corners:
Expected Points Added: EPA is a metric developed by Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats. It measures the impact a given player has on a given play by comparing the result of the play to the league average results on plays from that down and distance (details here). The result is calculated as expected points a team would score as a result of that play. The higher the value the better.
Because this stat measures the impact per play, the more plays (or snaps) a corner has, the higher his EPA will be. So in addition to EPA/game, I've added EPA/ 100 snaps to normalize that effect.
Rank indicates position among 163 NFL corners.
| Rank | Name | Team | Age | Snaps | EPA/Game | EPA/100 snaps |
| 5 | Carlos Rogers | SF | 30 | 1,024 | 3.42 | 5.0 |
| 13 | Cortland Finnegan | TEN | 27 | 1,142 | 2.81 | 3.9 |
| 18 | Eric Wright | DET | 26 | 1,043 | 2.55 | 3.9 |
| 36 | William Gay | PIT | 27 | 970 | 2.08 | 3.4 |
| 42 | Richard Marshall | ARZ | 27 | 847 | 1.06 | 3.8 |
| 44 | Brent Grimes | ATL | 28 | 706 | 1.98 | 3.1 |
| 46 | Tim Jennings | CHI | 28 | 1,028 | 1.93 | 2.8 |
| 55 | Al Harris | SL | 37 | 362 | 1.77 | 3.4 |
| 63 | Aaron Ross | NYG | 29 | 999 | 1.68 | 2.7 |
| 67 | Rashean Mathis | JAX | 31 | 542 | 1.62 | 2.7 |
| 73 | Tracy Porter | NO | 25 | 706 | 1.46 | 2.7 |
| 85 | Jarrett Bush | GB | 27 | 297 | 1.29 | 5.2 |
| 89 | Brandon Carr | KC | 25 | 1,030 | 1.24 | 1.9 |
| 93 | William Middleton | JAX | 25 | 400 | 1.22 | 2.8 |
| 98 | Jason Allen | HST | 28 | 508 | 1.16 | 3.2 |
| 106 | Kelly Jennings | CIN | 29 | 403 | 0.95 | 2.6 |
| 131 | Will D. Allen | MIA | 33 | 676 | 0.78 | 1.5 |
| 133 | Alan Ball | DAL | 26 | 498 | 0.74 | 2.1 |
| 137 | Antwaun Molden | NE | 26 | 306 | 0.69 | 2.5 |
| 144 | Donald Strickland | NYJ | 31 | 331 | 0.63 | 2.8 |
There are a number of further free agents that are not included in these lists, some of them on the verge of retirement (Ronde Barber, Bucs) some of them coming off injuries (Terrell Thomas, Giants).
Alan Ball and Frank Walker are free agents, and Terence Newman is likely to have played his last season as a Cowboys. The draft will not be sufficient to provide the type of depth the Cowboys will need at corner next season, so a free agent or two will have to be brought in.
Now that you have all this data, who do you think the Cowboys should go after, and are there candidates here that you haven't thought about before?
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good list, more crazy rate formulas for me to learn though...
i would like to see carr as a cowboy, great character and leadership to match his talents. plus hes only 25
Agree, would be an AWESOME pick up.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sign top free agent corner and draft top rated available corner in 1st round. Finnegan or Carr and kirkpatrick. Would really solidify
by bige444 on Jan 10, 2012 10:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My top 3
Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes and Brandon Carr. Any one of those 3 would transform our defense, and maybe then I wouldn’t have to be yelling at my TV every single play because our starting CB is 10-20 yards back from the line…
I just dont like Finnegan
He’s not real popular here in Nashville either. Let tht sink in.
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 10, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
How is he not popular there?
He is their top corner, is a hard hitter and is leaps and bounds better in coverage than T.New. Not to mention he has pretty good hands for a CB
RKG?
No not really, think small Brandon Jacobs,,,, he is all mouth and no brains, he draws persoanl fouls because he’s pissed off damned be the team,
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 10, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I think the fight he had with Andre Johnson show it the best what kind of character he is.
Dre is probably one of the most mellow and likable people in the league, but Finnegan even managed to get in a fight with him. He has a rumor for being one of the dirtiest players in the NFL.
He may be an awesome corner, but not the kind of guy I’d like to root for.
As it is, it seems like we already get flags thrown at us
we don’t need more coming our way
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Watch the video of that again
He got under Andre’s skin and it was Andre who first started to push and fight. I also took a look at most of his other incidents and they all looked very very minor compared to other “dirty” players.
Look up his name on google and you’ll find a bunch of people dogging on him, but in each of those blogs he is defended by Titans fans talking about him off the field and how he does a ton for the Tennessee area and how he plays with emotion. And we all know that playing with emotion brings some good and bad things.
You can also go look at almost any player from the Tennessee Titans and you’ll see similar tactics used, where they try to get under other players skins and have them called for penalties, its just their thing. If he comes here, I’m sure the coaches would put an end to it. Hell, now that the Titans have a new head coach I haven’t really heard any bad stories about Finnegan. I’d love to see him wearing a star.
Well...
This season Finnegan was voted number 3 on the list of dirtiest players http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-11/players-poll/story/midseason-player-poll-ndamukong-suh-voted-dirtiest-player-by-landslide
And in 2010 he was quoted for saying that he aspires to being the dirtiest if he can.
http://ten.247sports.com/Article/Titans-defensive-back-admires-veteran-Steelers-receiver-he-is-ab-858
Whether he has achieved his goal or not, I still think it is a mentality I’d rather keep from the DC locker room.
well everyone knows tennessee is racist
by matt575 on Jan 10, 2012 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
His owner flips the bird to the public at games
seems like he’s just falling in the company line
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 10, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't realize
Grimes was a FA this year. I still like Finnegan best, but can’t go wrong with either one.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
by sirjason22 on Jan 10, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
about finnegan
i get nervous about his attitude and how it would transfer over to a rob ryan defence, but hey, maybe it could work. he is really talented.
This
Is a important part of the equation. Put a guy like finnagan with a DC who likes to talk trash yell cuss get his guys pumped up. Rob loves attitude and asks for attitude from his players. And from what I’ve heard actually tells his players that alittle dirt is what football is all about. Now tell a guy like finnagan this and I promise you its a recipe for disaster. Grimm I like and Carr Thomas too might get him cheap since he was hurt all year. But finnagan hell no. Please god draft 7 CB before you waste time and money on this guy.
by Sado44 on Jan 10, 2012 3:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What is the deal with everyone wanting pieces of garbage?
I don’t care if finnegan signed to play for free he’s trash, why would u want him in our locker room? He’s a virus. Very talented but that doesn’t matter if he ruins a teams chemistry.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where did you read this?
I’ve seen other players call him dirty from other teams, but I haven’t read or seen anything saying that he is disruptive. I’d love to read/see it if I’m wrong though
I didn't read anything I made my personal opinion from watching him play.
He obviously could care less about his team. He does stupid crap, like throwing punches and it costs his team. Watch him play and it’s pretty obvious what type of guy he is.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He walked out of camp over a contract dispute, he threw a punch in a game
And has been fined ejected for punching a player and slamming a guy after the wistle by his face mask. Good finnegan issues and A TON of stuff comes up
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Think he'll get a contract somewhere next year?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
probably
not sure we will cut him though, I think they whould have cut him already.
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 10, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
no I don't think so, I thought they just signed him to a loooooong contract.
I could be wrong
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 10, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
8 mil stolen
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Hamlin and Flozell were cut in April 2010. At the time. that was considered a “friendly” gesture by the Cowboys, as it allowed both players to at least try to find new teams before training camp. An “unfriendly cut” would be during or after training camp, when a player’s chances of finding a new team dimish strongly.
The Cowboys could cut Newman in April and would still be doing right by Newman.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
definitely not as a starter
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 10, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Pick one of these guys up (pick a card, any card)
and then focus the draft on the other holes. OG, OLB, etc. At least one of those three holes needs to be filled in FA. Good post.
Cowboy wins are the best medicine...the ultimate cure-all.
I like Brandon grimes or Brent Carr!
Both are very good and would make a HUGE difference in this defense. Brent Carr is young too, very intriguing. Who knows though, the price has to be right.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Cowboys will have plenty of cap space to get whoever they want this year so money isnt
that big of an issue
Yeah but CB's are expensive and we don't want to pay asomugha money
We need a Lot in free agency.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have no love or respect for Nnamdi Asomugha
I really cant stand him and his beavis and butthead haircut
screw him
go eat cheesteaks and get high cholesterol Nnamdi
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
It's Brandon Carr and Brent Grimes
Got the names mixed up.
I don't care about being America's Team. I care about being America's BEST team.
by BWareofDWare on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder where Alan Ball will be next season...
My money is on Goodwill. I hear they have jobs for those who have barriers to employment.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
by sirjason22 on Jan 10, 2012 2:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Working for Whataburger
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Wait a minute here
I dont want him at Whataburger anymore than I want him in our secondary. Let him go to Mickey Ds
by sexililkitti on Jan 10, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Welcome to the blog, kitti
Here’s your welcome rec to get you started in style.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda like you butchered that sentence?
j/k
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And here's your Rec!
Welcome aboard.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
i assume you are female
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 10, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
That would be a safe assumption to make
not a rah rah go team chick tho.
by sexililkitti on Jan 10, 2012 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i was just hoping with a username like that
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
welcome ..mlady
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Haha
Funny thing is I bet we keep him this is his rookie season as a CB and well you know there are alot of worse out there. With campo gone maybe they think that a new mentor and teacher will do him good. Who’s to say it won’t he has the size and speed to be a good player just to me he followed his coaching to a tee. So maybe a good coach can get him where the fo thought he would be this year.
by Sado44 on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
OCC, am I reading this right
But it seems from just looking at the teams these guys play for, the schedules and the divisions they play in, that burn rate & dpr won’t give us the full picture since the talent at QB and WR isn’t equal across the 8 divisions.
For instance, I’d like to know what Carlos Rodgers’ burn rate and dpr was when he played with WAS, as he had 6 games against Dallas, NYG, Phi WRs. Where as now, playing 6 games against NFC West stiffs (only legit WR is Fitzgerald) he was still giving up over 50% completions.
Similarly, while Bradon Carr posted a sub 50% burn rate, I’d like to know the quality of KC’s competition, especially since the Chargers were the only AFC West team with legit WRs outside of KC’s Dwayne Bowe.
On the other hand, I’m more intriuged by Brett Grimes, as he posted those numbers against better WRs on the Falcons’ opponents.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'd be happer with a Whatabuger.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Never had a whataburger?
Is it exclusive to Texas, or do they have them in CA as well?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 2:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
checkers > whataburger
although i appreciate jack-in-the-crack though
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 10, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Carr played against the patriots, green bay, Detroit, buffalo (early in the yr when they torched teams), Pittsburg, Chicago, and the jets.
He played a lot of good receivers
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
fair enough
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fair point
These stats are not adjusted for strength of opponent. Neither are they adjusted for the strength of the other CBs on your team (who may or may not divert traffic your way), they’re not adjusted for defensive role (the slot guy is going to get more targets than the corners manning the outside, they’re not adjusted for the strength of a team’s pass rush etc. etc.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
F=G(m1m2)/r^2
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
yeah he played next to flowers
and normally has Berry back there as well.
and like my mans and them said, the AFC West is devoid of quality WR’s outside of Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd
Demaryious Thomas
Eric Decker
Jacoby Ford
Heyward-Bey
Denarious Moore
and all three teams were quite dysfunctional on offense for the most part of this season
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 10, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Sucks we can't see Terrell Thomas there
ACL tears really suck. But the good thing is that it happened at the beginning of the season so he has plenty of time to heal. I think it normally takes 9 months for an ACL recovery. It happened in August, so by may he should be ready to go, which is time for OTAs and all of that after the draft has concluded and the rookies have had their mini-camp.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
RG III goin pro
glad to see him enter, more talent falling to Dallas
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
he's a top 3 pick
he had absolutely nothing to gain by staying.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Thank God or RGIII
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I wonder if the Luck vs RGIII argument is going to pick up steam now.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
for St. Louis
it doesnt matter who Indy takes, I think Peyton could mold both of them into quality
do the Rams want to give up on Bradford now or sell that pick?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 10, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
No way do they give up on Bradford. He has what it takes just needs some talent
to throw to and on defense. think ive heard this all before somewhere.lol
as awesome as this seems
I just don’t think Jerry would have given Scandrick starter money to be a nickel corner. Therefore, I think if we go after a CB it will be with the nickel spot in mind, meaning we won’t seriously contend for Grimes or Finnegan. I’d love to be wrong, but we’re talking about a proud man here.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
We will more then likely sign someone like Middleton as a Nickel and allow Scandrick to excel or fail on the corner.
Middleton gets my vote in that scenario
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Scandrick cannot get the job done, so if this is the case we r in for another frustrating yr against the pass.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 3:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Scandrick is just inconsistent, much like Jenkins
They both can be effective corners.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I disagree. I don't think he will ever be more than a slot cb.
If he is that good, why didn’t he play over Newman some this year?
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Valid question,
but we paid him like a starter. So that’s what he’ll be.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Probably true. That's why I think we will draft a cb.
We paid scandrick a lot, but I
If we draft a cb it wouldn’t cost too much. One of the writers brought up this point in another post.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
because nobody could play the slot better than him
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
+!
Playing corner in the slot is very tough and hwile Scandrick did get beat, he was better there than any other CB on our roster would be. He did play on the outside when New and or Jenkins were injured, but moved back into the slot in nickel and dime.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
I think everyone needs to understand
Just how far a coaches coaching goes in the play of the players. Its obvious campo was teaching our corners to play the eyes and hands of the reciever. Its an old practice and alot of older coaches taught this technique. Since the ball was thrown about half as much as it is now days this technique worked well. We have all seen this in our secondary we all know this is a problem with our corners. Now I honestly believe that with a new corner coach with modern techniques who’s to say he won’t be a very good corner. He is physical and has amazing recovery speed which has been show cased this season. Don’t discount coaching guys. Is all I gotta say.
by Sado44 on Jan 10, 2012 4:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bring in a solid fa corner for competition
If Scandrick is good enough, he will win the job. If not, his contract money is only big in the first year, he can then slide back to nickel or we can pitch him out the door to start a fast food chain with Ball and Newman
That really was good.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
In todays NFL
the 3rd cb is a starter. They play so much that you better have at least 3 really good ones are you’re going to be in trouble. Just like the 3rd WR.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
TNew is done and we need a starting corner, even if Scandrick wins the #2 job.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
No question we need to sign at least 1 corner. We probably can't afford 2.
Grimes or Carr would be ok by me. If Finnegan draws personal fouls frequently, I wouldn’t want him on the roster. Those penalties are among the worst backbreakers in football.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
We would be stupid to not be ecstatic to add Finnegan
These metrics take penalties into account, and he’s still a very effective corner. Don’t let anecdotal observations get in the way of statistical evidence.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I completely disagree.
He brings serious negativity in the locker room. He’s garbage, he cars about himself and not his team. He’s thrown punches, walked out of training camp, and slammed players by there face mask after the play. Why would u want that type of guy in ur locker room. Good franchises don’t take these type of players FOR A REASON.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like the RKG mantra as much as the next guy
but let’s not make Finnegan out to be Pacman Jones.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
That's true
But he’s still got some concerns.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I always ask myself why wouldn't teams resign their own FAs rather than let them go. If it's a money issue and they really feel they can't afford to keep the guy, ie., our own Chris Canty for example,
then I’d go after him. If it’s not a money issue, then I want to know why they wouldn’t resign the guy. If the Titans let him walk, I want to know why.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
the titans let everybody walk, they don't like to pay anyone. Bud Adams is the anti-Jerry Jones
Chris Johnson rushed for 2000+ yards and he wouldn’t pay him. He let Kearse, and Vandenbosh walk. You have to consider what team is letting him walk.
I agree
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Here's what I'd do to fix the secodary
1) Release Newman, Allan Ball, and Frank Walker; don’t re-sign Abe Elam.
2) Sign either Carr or Grimes
3) Draft Chase Minnifield (CB from Virginia) in the 2nd Rd.
4) Draft Markelle Martin (FS from Oklahoma St) in 3rd Rd.
5) Draft Josh Robinson Jr (CB from UCF) in the 4th Rd.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would like that
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
You are forgetting one thing.
Elam was the QB of the secondary, Sensi can’t/won’t do it. So a 4th rounder will? Not saying he can’t just was that accounted for?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
thats why I would rather have signed Elam to a two year deal instead of paying Sensabaugh
he is a SS playing FS, out of position and doesn’t want to lead
awesome right
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling both are coming back.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Elam was the QB of a garbage secondary
and was garbage himself.
No one in this secondary, outside of Jenkins and Scandrick should be comfortable in their job status. Part of it was Campo (I think) and the other part of it was how utter garbage the bulk of these guys are.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would sign ...
Tyvon Branch from Oakland to replace Elam.
by Cowick22 on Jan 10, 2012 10:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is Tyvon Branch an URFA?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 11, 2012 12:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Finnegan was flagged five times this season, one penalty declined
Scandrick, Newman and Ball were all flagged five times each as well.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
OCC, what are your thoughts on Finnegan?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 3:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Listen to his coach and his teammates
They are all very complimentary of him. He plays hard and is quite good in pass coverage. Public opinion is colored by a few sportscenter clips of the guy and by the fact that he has no college pedigree – he’s a seventh round pick from Samford. Not Stanford. Samford.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I would kill for Finnegan
I will sacrifice Terence Oldman if I have to
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be in favor of Finnegan
In all honesty, I’d rather have DB who gets under WR’s skin and might pick up a flag or two, rather than a DB who picks up a flag for PI because he was out of position to make a play (See Terence Newman’s career).
Finnegan is Jeff Fisher tough minded player, and this team has been lacking those guys since the 1990s.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 4:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Grimes should be the guy if available
Grimes all the way, been a fan of his since I saw him jump out of their dome in 09.
Finnegan doesn’t interest me at all: do you have his numbers from past seasons? I think his numbers this year are beafed up from his divisional games (Gabbert and Painter and I think Yates for a game).
I haven’t watched Carr as much, but I bet he’d be good.
I didn’t realize Rogers was a FA. He had a great season but wasn’t much before it so I’d be careful; someone will probably overpay.
I like grimes as well but Carr is younger and close to as good.
We kill two birds with one stone, get much younger and much better at the same time.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 10, 2012 3:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I live in San Diego and see Carr quite a bit
He is solid, young, and can cover. It would be a nice pickup
Rogers was a steal for SF
They gave him a 1-year 2.125M contract. Had we signed him before the 2011 season and dumped Newman, given his production, we would probably be playing this weekend instead of SF.
Just to give you an idea on Rogers’ pedigree, he was picked 2 spots before DeMarcus Ware in the 2005 draft. I looked up his stats, and he was OK in Washington before moving to SF. Out of curiousity, I looked at Charles Woodson stats. Woodson had 17 interceptions in the 8 years he was with the Raiders and 37 interceptions in the 6 years he was with the Packers.
The moral of this story? Sometimes a different system(?), different coach(?), change of scenery(?) can make all the difference in the world. You wouldn’t think a cornerback would be so much more productive after 8 years, but the numbers don’t lie.
That being said, I’ve read where he would like an extension from SF, and even if he hit free agency, he would be expensive.
The long and the short of it is that a guy’s production can change (for better or for worse). We are going to get a new DB coach, and all the players will get a full off-season to pick up Ryan’s schemes. Will that make a difference with the players we keep, sign, draft? As a fan, I hope so.
Re: Franchise Tags
This is a decent resource to use when gauging who might actually make it to FA: http://bolttalk.com/threads/free-agents-we-can-probably-expect-to-be-tagged.26176/
Obviously it’s just one person’s opinion, but the points seem valid. Sucks for the Calais Campbell fans around here.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
I knew we have no shot at Campbell, it was a pipe dream
too bad we didnt draft him over Bennett or moved up for him
we passed on Terrell Thomas for Bennett, thats killing me still
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
That Bennett pick will haunt us
Best to let it go Chia, no sense in living in the past
trying not too
Jacob Tamme is a free agent
I would love to get that guy
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah we need a quality seond te
It will help Witten stay fresh
Not sure what to make of a site that thinks the Cowboys will franchise Bradie James
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 10, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys will go cheap at corner - Scandrick making $7 million
Scandrick will be the 5th highest paid Cowboy in 2012.
Cowboys will not have 2 expensive corners. I expect them to only sign a nickel back.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I dont agree
Dallas has a problem I’m getting word they know where it lies and that tells me that they will spend what needs to be spent. If it works into there plan and scheme I’d say price doesn’t matter if they can afford it. Good signs are when jj talks about vast improvement next year.
by Sado44 on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
agree, it's akin to the Ware and Austin contracts.
which have since been restructured. but they are gearing up for a run in the next couple of years, you can see it in the details of how they are structuring contracts.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 10, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't agree.
Last year, we saw the Cowboys try to jump in the mix for Nnamdi. I think even had we gotten him and gotten rid of Newman, that Scandrick would have gotten his extension since there was nothing substantial to change their opinion of him in between the two decisions. As such, I fully expect us to look at corner as a place to invest in. I think Jerry realizes the value of having three good corners and thinks Scandrick is that #3. I think we will look for a guy to start opposite Jenkins in free agency.
And I realize that $7M is a lot for a nickel back, but I would say that looking at the cash flows later on in the contract that Dallas certainly doesnt look at him as a cornerstone for their future.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 10, 2012 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
we have no shot at Carr
KC is going to do everything they can to get him back
I personally love Finnegan and think he is a dream fit for Rob Ryan, he is a lockdown corner who is extremely physical
people take this RKG thing to another level and its getting out of hand
Finnegan loves football, plays hard, and is a hard worker, all the RKG mentality
people watch one little fight and they got scared, so they are writing him off
we need a Finnegan on this team, I am tired of Mr Nice Guys who pick up opposing players off the ground at the end of the play
I want mean, physical players with passion
Grimes same thing as Carr, ATL is going to do everything they can to get him back
I would take Tracy Porter in a heartbeat, I would take Terrell Thomas in a heartbeat
I am not high on Aaron Ross, but I would even sign him because he is an upgrade over what we have, the dude is fast and could be a bargain contract for us who at the very least gives us some talent speed and depth
I am not high on Ross, but I would love to get him in Dallas
its just that I am tired of what we have at corner besides Jenkins and to some degree Scandrick
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:16 PM CST reply actions
I too would take Tracey Porter
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just like him
he has swag
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
He's still young (25) and he possess play making ability
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 3:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
playmaking ability and speed
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Ignoring the stats?
I haven’t seen enough of the Saints to judge Porter, but according to the burn rate table and PFF grades, he is about the worst free agent available. No thanks!
by doomsdayreturns on Jan 10, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but teams are having to constantly play catch up against the Saints so
they are throwing more than normal
No. Just no.
He’s an OKAY third CB to have, but give me Grimes. Possibly get Porter as insurance.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
+a bajillion
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Jan 10, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take Porter anyday
and then another corner in the first round unless Barron is still there when we pick. If so at least oned of the top corners should slip to were we pick in the second round.
by sexililkitti on Jan 10, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
cornerback is another area we neglected in the draft over the years
since 2008, we haven’t drafted a CB high at all
I am tired of this 3-4 defense, I loved it when it worked and we had the right personnel but I cannot stand it anymore
too much trickery and gimmicks, we obviously don’t have players who are smart enough and have a high football IQ to run it
really wouldnt shock me to see us draft smart players from here on out, since 2010 it looks like we are drafting that way, smarter players
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions
i want the 4-3 back also. seems to me we already have the pieces for a very good 4man dline.
by DavidLaFleur on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I think we have a bunch of 4-3 talent
if we played a 4-3 I would resign Spencer, he would be really good as a 4-3 DE
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Spencer is not quite 6-3 . That is too short for a 4 -3 end.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 10, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
he is listed at 6'3
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
tell that to Elvis Dumervil of the broncos
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
with all due respect that is a very exceptional case.
Landry’s Cowboys had ends who were 6-5 – 262 and 6-9 275
Jimmy Johnson had Tony Tolbert 6- 6 260 and Charles Haley 6-5 235.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 11, 2012 6:33 AM CST up reply actions
Our problem has been how we have invested in the defense, not the defense itself.
And I know one of the common complaints about the 3-4 is the picks you have to spend on LBs., but that point always makes me laugh because in the 4-3 you have to spend so many picks on the D-line. You don’t really escape prioritizing a unit no matter what system you run.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 10, 2012 5:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dont see us signing a CB in free agency
its either going to be a guard or DL
at least drafting two corners in the draft gives me hope
one early, one later
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 3:22 PM CST reply actions
What we do in march will dictate what happens in april
If we get a CB in March look for DeCastro in April.
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Drafting OLB or DE & getting a G/C
Drafting OLB or DE # 1 will fix the seconday. Getting a G/C will keep them off the field.
However, Scandrick and Jenkins don’t stay healthy enough so I think will need to sign a top 5 corner though.
if Oldman I mean Newman scored a TD and did the Cruz salsa............he would get injured
fragile old man
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Terence Newman has dislocated his hip following a salsa celebration after a touchdown
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM CST reply actions
lol
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Dont you mean Jenkins?
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Newmam would get flagged for excessove celebration
because his hamstrings are so weak he might fall to the ground during the celebration.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 10, 2012 4:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Im not sure how we go in the draft
But there is alot of upside to this offseason. Decastro is a good pick but feel like he won’t make it past 11 and with rg111 in now leaves us with a posibilty at Dre or upshaw who I was very impressed with last night. If we draft a big nt in the first 3 rounds then I feel like we might make the Ratliff move to lock down our front seven with Spencer resigned to a average deal. Either way with fa and draft this defense can be fixed this year and next year we get our final pieces and Garrett gets his first Superbowl visit. This is my hopes. But we will see
by Sado44 on Jan 10, 2012 4:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I would like Finnegan or Grimes
but I’d like Finnegan the most. I know your guys worries about Finnegan’s attitude and I had the same worries until I saw something on him last week while watching NFL Films on ESPN 2. He’s actually a really good guy and Jeff Fisher was praising him for his hard work, competetiveness, and good character. He seems like he’s kinda misunderstood. Not neccessarily dirty just he goes all out 100% every single play. A great competitor. I know he has a bad rep but like I said, I think he’s misunderstood and after seeing this piece on him he seems like a great guy and RKG for the Cowboys.
by Nets2410 on Jan 10, 2012 6:09 PM CST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Let’s get Grimey.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Supreme: Everyone gets a free pony.
Cbs
Brent grimes is too small… We would be foolish to think he will play at this high a level going forward… Carlos Rogers is a 1 yr wonder… Take Brandon Carr, finnegan, and draft Upshaw…. That’s the formula for winning the NFC east next season…
by drobe86 on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Like Finnegan also
Think this team needs a guy that plays a little dirty. A guy that will fire up this team. I’ve watched him play he plays every down hard. And is a damn good corner something Dallas hasn’t had for a long time. This secondary needs fixed this offseason. The offense is set hopefully they resign Robinson. Course need Costa to work in the offseason how to hike Romo the ball.
Get Grimes.
Although, a smart GM would get two CB from this list and draft another one later on in the draft.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
My thinking as well
if we go Porter and Thomas via FA and draft the best availible corner we should be in good shape and able to focus on other needs.
by sexililkitti on Jan 11, 2012 2:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Question about Newman:
Can we see his first/second half splits? I recall his first few games were pretty solid, ESPN Dallas even wrote a career renaissance piece about him, however in the second half he got demonstrably worse. Given his age, the decline of his skills, and where he’s at in his career I tend to believe that his second half was the Newman that we should expect going forward.
Agree on Newman's 1st half
I seem to remember Newman playing well from the time he returned from injury until about Thanksgiving. Only real beef seemed to be his coming out of games late due to being gassed. I think it was the Dolphin game where things started to go downhill, and it only got worse till the end of the season.
There has been rampant speculation that Newman was injured, but no confirmation.
Through week 11, PFF graded Newman with 4.7, an indication that he was playing well overall. For the last six games, PFF gave him a combined -13.8. Something was very wrong with Newman.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 12, 2012 6:07 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's about what I remember
He was injured in week 1, another thing that pissed me off about the Jets game every corner was hurt, and I recall he played fairly well for several weeks. Then he just hit a massive wall. Maybe he’s not as cooked as I thought he was, maybe he was hurt. +4.7 isn’t bad at all, if he played like that all season they’d be in the playoffs. Likewise, if he played at the pace of the last six games all season he woulda been cut by Thanksgiving.
Cornerbacks
One thing to note is that whoever we acquire needs to have good man to man cover skills. Zone coverage seems to be something that Ryan’s D doesn’t hold up well with although more pressure from the front seven will make CBs look much better.
As the CBs, find it hard to believe that Atlanta will not retain Grimes and he is the #1 target in my book. Finnegan or Carr would be the next in line and then for a depth guy, I would go after Thomas eventhough he is coming off ACL surgery. He has plenty of upside, would require probably a “show me” type contract and allow us to still pick a CB in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft also.
CBs are definitely needed but we also have to upgrade the S position and possibly a Landry signing at FS and move Sensabaugh to SS would be a good move. The draft isn’t a place to find any safety this year. The only one I would consider is Barron SS Alabama and then not until minimum mid 2nd round but won’t be surprised to see him in the 1st round for some team. This is a very weak D line and S class.

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