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Going after difference-makers for dominance or improvement?

The Cowboys moved up twice in the 2010 NFL draft to take Dez Bryant and Sean Lee. Both players made an impact in their sophomore seasons in Dallas, leading the team in major categories at their respective positions. The Cowboys did not make a single trade in the 2011 NFL draft: that was the first time since Jerry Jones bought the team that Dallas did not move out of its slots.

The numbers show that selecting earlier in the draft leads to acquiring better talent more often than later in the draft. Over the last 10 NFL drafts, 47.7% of the positional Pro Bowl players (114) were selected in the first round. Approximately 15 players out of the 32 selected in the first round make a significant impact in the NFL.

Eliminating special teams Pro Bowl selections, the second round yields 19.7% of the positional Pro Bowl players (47). About 6 players picked in the second round of each NFL draft are recognized for their playmaking skills.

There is not a significant difference in the number of positional playmakers selected in the third and fourth rounds (18 and 19 respectively). About 8% of players recognized for excellent play come from the 3rd round and another 8% are picked in the 4th round: or about 2 players in each round.

The Cowboys have selected two possible playmakers in the third round over the last 10 NFL drafts (Jason Witten and possibly DeMarco Murray). While Dallas seems to be more successful in the third round than most teams, the Cowboys have missed on many more third round selections (Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, and James Marten to name a few).

So considering that there is less than a 10% chance to find a playmaker in the third round, is it worth it to move up? Here is a real case study:

Over at Wes Bunting's site (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html), Peter Konz (C, Wisconsin: 6' 5", 315) is the 5th rated pro prospect, behind Morris Claiborne (CB, LSU: 6' 0", 185), and David DeCastro (OG, Stanford: 6' 5", 310) in Wes Bunting's latest prospect ratings. Claiborne and DeCastro are the 2nd and 3rd rated prospects respectively, only trailing top rated Andrew Luck. Trent Richardson rounds out Wes Bunting's top five pro prospects, rated 4th.

Bunting's approach resembles how the prospects may be rated on a professional team's draft board. Currently, the first 20 names on the board project with first round grades (at or above a 7.0).

CBS Sportsline writer Rob Rang has Morris Claiborne lasting until the 6th overall pick, and Peter Konz lasting until the 29th pick of the 2012 NFL draft. Another CBS Sportsline writer, Dane Brugler, has the Cowboys selecting David DeCastro with the 14th overall selection. Rob Rang has DeCastro lasting until the 17th pick (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock).

That presents a couple of very interesting scenarios in addition to staying put in the draft:

Dallas selects David DeCastro with the 14th pick, and then trades up to draft Peter Konz at the bottom of the first round. By trading the 45th and the 82nd selections, the Cowboys could move up to the 29th or 30th overall pick.

Morris Claiborne, one of the few elite prospects in this draft, slides out of the top five. Dallas trades the 14th and 45th selections to move up to the 6th or 7th overall pick to select Morris Claiborne.

Trading up or down in the draft requires two parties to express a real interest to do so. Even if the Cowboys would like to trade up or down, as these scenarios project, Dallas may not find a willing partner. Since an absence of a trading partner will result in the Cowboys staying with the 14th, 45th, and 82nd selections in the upcoming 2012 NFL draft by default, it will be assumed that the losing teams in the AFC and NFC Championship games, as well as either the team in the 6th slot (as I believe Washington will not remain in the 6th position) or Jacksonville would be willing trade partners.

By selecting David DeCastro and then trading back up into the first round to select the top rated center out of Wisconsin, Peter Konz, the Cowboys could immediately provide Tony Romo with one of the best, young offensive lines in the NFL. The biggest limiting factor to the potent Cowboys offense could be upgraded to an elite NFL level in one draft, permitting Garrett to utilize Witten, Austin, Bryant, and (hopefully) Robinson with few if any limitations.

The new identity of the Dallas Cowboys could be akin to that of the Saints, Packers, Patriots, and Manning-led Colts. Those teams have won 6 of the last 10 Super Bowls, and have 8 Super Bowl appearances in the last ten years.

Imagine attacking a weak Giants secondary with Witten, Austin, Bryant, and Robinson, while only occasionally keeping a healthy DeMarco Murray in to help block. Every route combination could be utilized, as throwing deep would no longer require keeping in two tight ends and a running back to keep Romo from getting mauled.

The thought of DeMarco Murray running behind a line comprised of Smith at left tackle, DeCastro at left guard, Konz at center, Free at right tackle, and Arkin, Nagy, or Kowalski at right guard could excite the most downtrodden Dallas fan. NFL.com shows that despite his struggles against premier pass rushers, Free continued to open holes in the running game.

Most of the runs gaining 10-yards or more during the 2011 regular season were accomplished when running towards Doug Free: 19 runs of 10+-yards to the left, compared to 17 runs of 10+-yards when running to the right and up the middle combined. The Cowboys had more rushing first downs when running behind the left side of the offensive line, than when rushing either behind the middle or the right side of the offensive line.

On the other hand, the Cowboys would forfeit their 3rd round pick to move up into the first round. Dallas needs all of the draft picks it can get in order to infuse good players into a talent poor team.

Drafting DeCastro and Konz would rob a wilting defense of the opportunity to add much needed young talent. Such is the state of the defense, that any playmaker added on the defense could be done at almost any position.

But if playmakers are needed on the defensive side of the ball, why not move up to capture the best defensive player in the draft if he begins to slide out of the top five. With two elite quarterbacks expected to be chosen in the top five, and at least one offensive tackle expected to be a top five talent, it is not out of the realm of possibilities that Claiborne could begin to slide.

Jenkins had a better 2011 NFL regular season, than 2010 season. Mike made the Pro Bowl following the 2009 NFL season along with Terrence Newman. Newman's game, however, suffered a severe drop-off the last two seasons.

Combining Jenkins with Claiborne could be the secondary tonic that this Cowboys team sorely needs. Scandrick (working out of the slot), Jenkins, and Claiborne could line up against the elite receivers in the NFC East, and lock down most of them, permitting Rob Ryan to simulate the success his brother Rex had with a similar strategy in New York.

Claiborne has been favorably compared to Patrick Peterson, and considered a better pure cornerback prospect than Patrick Peterson was last season by several scouting services. With Claiborne and Jenkins starting at cornerback, the Cowboys could boast one of the best young cornerback tandems in the NFL: as long as Jenkins continues to progress and not take another step back. Adding a playmaker to the weakest part of the weakest unit of the team would result in exponentially better play in 2012 and beyond.

Unfortunately, trading up would cost the Cowboys the 45th selection in the draft. As with the argument against trading up for Konz, this Dallas team needs every pick to add talent. The 45th best player in the draft would likely be better than most of the players starting on the defensive side of the ball, as there is about a 1 in 5 possibility of acquiring a playmaker in the second round.

Without including free agent acquisitions, which choice would lead to this franchise's 6th Super Bowl victory sooner?

1. Stay put.

2. Pick at 14th and trade up to 29th.

3. Trade up to 6th.

It comes down to the preference of the organization: make a strong offensive unit dominant, or add more talent to improve the weakest unit on the team.

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option 2 makes the most impact

and option 2 means signing Spencer, but then our secondary would still be in shambles

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 12, 2012 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

Trade up

i would trade up using next years number because imo it could be under valued..The points would have to be an estimate and if we can fill our holes thru FA and keeping the rest of our picks this year..Hopefully it would be a 27 to 32 pick so to move up and get Claiborne its worth it.. We r only in this position so many times so if you have the opportunity to get a legit shut down CB you have to do it..I would then sign MG from the titans to play FS

by jp32 on Jan 12, 2012 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

I hate the idea of trading up pretty much ever.

I just don’t think Claiborne or anyone else is better than whatever 2 players we could have instead. Thats the kind of thing you do when you are 1 guy away. We arent close.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 12, 2012 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Im not a big fan of trading up either but Claiborne is the real deal..

IM a 50yo 40 year cowboy fan who has been taping the combine and watching and taping college games for 20 years..(I have no life lol) Ive been right on some and wrong just like the experts but you can usually tell when a kid is this good..Hopefully we wont be in this position in the near future but again i think its worth the risk..Might be able to get another pick back(5 or 6) using next years first and moving up..Would love to see Jenkins Claiborne Scandrick Sensi and MG

by jp32 on Jan 12, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

cb question

how would you compare claiborne to kirkpatrick and how would u compare him to eric berry who the chiefs drafted a couple years ago?

by weezbo1 on Jan 14, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

thats why I wouldnt trade up for that reason right there

we have too many holes to trade up for one player this year

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 12, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think we as far away a most think we are.

This kids a serious playmaker..It would be much cheaper than signing a DB in FA and could get a much higher return..Whats r other options Carr or Finegan? No thanks..PS just found this site a couple of weeks ago enjoy your knowledge and posts..I know yoiu love MG CHIA

by jp32 on Jan 12, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

MG is Micahel Griffin right? yeah I like him a lot actualy

thanks, glad you enjoying the site

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

normally i would say .. whatever need we don’t fill in FA we can fill in the draft .. but unfortunately based on what the cap situation here is in dallas i can’t see the cowboys filling any big needs through FA .. so it looks like the draft may be all we have .. with the exception of finding another guy like laurent robinson after teams make their final cuts .. but that sometimes is like finding a needle in a haystack

by weezbo1 on Jan 14, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

This is completely unfair...

So would you trade Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Fasano for Haloti Ngata?

Would you take Eric Weddle and Ryan Kalil for Anthony Spencer?

How about Tony Ugoh and Tim Crowder for Anthony Spencer?

Trading picks can be very one-sided or be an even deal. It depends on what the team does with the draft picks.

by ScarletO on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Also impossible to judge without the benefit of hindsight

At least with two players taken in the teens, you increase your chances of success

#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3

by accidental innuendo on Jan 13, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 13, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

DeCastro AND Konz?

Stop it, you’re making me drool

by Specific on Jan 12, 2012 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

I first came up with this idea several days ago.

Everytime I think about it, a smile flashes across my face.

by ScarletO on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Scarlet

I said a couple days ago to get Nicks in Free agency and then pick DeCastro… the best current guard in the NFL and the best Rookie coming out of college with a possibility of still getting Konz… simply because I’ve done some research on Drafts… as most people can tell from some of my post and stats. Centers are considered probably the least likely position next to kicker to get chosen in the 1st round. You have 13 teams picking in front of us… of those 6 have centers that they picked in the first or second rounds between 2007-2011. Since 1977 only 14 centers have been chosen in the 1st round. Odds are that Konz won’t get taken until the 2nd. This leaves 4 teams that might choose him before we would get a shot in the 2nd round. Personally I don’t think we will see this. Just because the odds of even getting DeCastro are staggering… but to get both even with the hope of trading up to get him is just astronomical.

RexP

by Rex Pfister on Jan 13, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

We have too many needs to waste high draft picks by trading up.

DeCastro and Konz would give us a premier OL for a decade, but if we do that, we would have be patient and wait a year to address the needs of the D. There is neither enough talent in FA, unless we sign Campbell, or the draft to improve the D, if we sacrifice the third round pick, which in all probability would not produce a starter even if we had a pick in the third. Even with Campbell our secondary would still be horrendous no matter whom we sign in FA or draft in rounds 4-7.

Better strategy is to draft DeCastro if he’s there, sign Grubbs or Nicks in FA, hope that one of the yuglies, Nagy, Killer K or even Costa can play center, and address D as much as it’s feasible in rounds 2-7 with BPA.

Wish you were here and comfortably numb.

by pfloyd1 on Jan 12, 2012 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

I do not see this team making a big splash in free agency.

As far as drafting a playmaker for the defense in the second round:

OLB (3-4): Six Pro Bowlers have been drafted in round 1 (average pick at 15), with only one Pro Bowl OLB was drafted in the second round (Woodley).

CB: 14 Pro Bowl cornerbacks have been drafted in round 1 (average pick at 17), with but 2 drafted in round 2 (at picks 35 and 39).

The statistics show that Dallas would be better off trading up to get another quality player. Getting Konz and DeCastro would prolong Romo’s longevity and permit the Cowboys to build the defense over the next few drafts.

Dallas could still use a first rounder next season on a cornerback or a pass rusher (BPA). Although I doubt the team would invest a high pick on the defensive line, that could also be a consideration.

If this team has so many holes (and it does), why not rebuild over several seasons. There is no way this team drafts 9 playmakers in the 2012 NFL draft. Getting to starters on the interior of the offensive line, and maybe finding another player on the third day or as a rookie free agent would make this draft very successful.

by ScarletO on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Has JJ made a really good trade in the draft since the Walker trade when Jimmy was the coach.

Does anyone have any idea if his trades have really panned out consistently? We all know of the disaster of ‘09, but besides the Walker trade and ’09, what is this franchise’s track record with draft day trades?

Wish you were here and comfortably numb.

by pfloyd1 on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 PM CST reply actions  

i don't like trading down

unless it’s just a few spots and u get the guy u wanted anyway .. but if memory serves me correctly i believe this isn’t one of jerry’s strong points

by weezbo1 on Jan 14, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

trading the pick for Brady Quinn but the Cowboys didn’t get value with the picks they got in exchange.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

This is actually a good subject for fans to keep in mind

None of us would now want Quinn to QB anything more then a hotdog stand now. But back in the day there were a few who were upset that we didn’t draft him.

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT

If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.

by Final Frame on Jan 13, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I would trade every time another team offered a future 1st round pick.

The potential to move up with two first round picks is great. That does not even take into account that what would seem to be a mid-round first round pick could become a high first rounder.

Just imagine trading with the Colts during the 2011 NFL Draft and receiving their 2012 first round pick…

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

wow.....
Just imagine trading with the Colts during the 2011 NFL Draft and receiving their 2012 first round pick…

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

JJ era 1 hit, many miss

1990 21+81=17 E.Smith Best trade up ever, perhaps for any team.
2010 27+90=24 Dez (we were hurting for WR and there were no other prospects that year. Williams, Brown, Cruz .. all good, but pure luck they panned out). Fair deal.

That’s it. No other successes of merit.
2007 36+87+159=26 Spencer, but 46 Woodley was the right choice.
2011 59+125=55 Lee a good deal, although 91 Bowman was next on the Cowboy’s list.
1991 11+41+3 guys = 1 Maryland (not worth it)

Mostly the trade ups were for ineffective DEs, or the LaFleur and Quincy Carter debacles.

Compare to the Landry era …
1977 14+30+41+54 = 2 Dorsett
1975 Morton = 2 R. White
1974 Smith, Parks = 1 Too tall, 54 D.White

My conclusion: only trade up for a future HOFer. :)

by the_hat on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i would piss my pants if the team gets both decastro and konz

i would love it, but konz isn’t gonna last ’til 29th, defense could be adressed in FA with michael griffin/brandon carr and some servicable pass rushing LB

by ratware on Jan 12, 2012 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

o line would be set for a long time, arkin and nagy with a full offseason to hit the weights and battle it out for the other guard position

by Hot Tub Time Machine on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

this is the draft Dallas needs to trade down.. if Decastro isnt there trade down collect the extra 2nd..

We can easily draft 2 cbs with the 3 picks and maybe a lb, s, or ol with the other pick… thats 3 holes filled with one trade down. ..

Also if Knoz cant play center and guard he will slide to the 2 nd round..That is why true centers always fall to the 2 nd round or later..

by lostar2009 on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

This is a better year than last to trade down. So many players are at the same level

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 12, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year was our chance and we chickened out ... a JG signature?

Smith is great, clearly the best. BUT we could have had Castonzo/Solder/Franklin PLUS any number of great rookies. In 4 years, Smith will cost $12M and we still won’t be in the SB.

by the_hat on Jan 15, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I wanna trade down

cause so many players are the same level. But it depends who is there and what is being offered.

Whatever we need to go BPA. You fill needs with free agents. You get talent in the draft. I am not interested at all in taking a guard in round one. . Offensive lineman more than anything can be built with effort and coaching.Then again if DeCastro is there I wouldn’t want to be responsible for passing him up.When a special player comes to your team you gotta take him. Whenever you bypass a special player it always seems to come back at you.

There are a lot of people here who just want to build up the offensive line for the sake of building it up. That kind of thinking is wrong. As is focusing so much on one player like DeCastro.

If he is there then we take him cause he is the BPA if he is , not cause we need a guard.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 12, 2012 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

No one is saying take decastro because of need,

Infact most who advocate for decatro believe he will be the highest rated prospect on the board and might be not chosen because of the position he plays not his grade.

I dont think anyone on this board just has a chubby at the idea of a guard at 14 overall

by Proxy406 on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

lol at.... chubby .. hahahaaaaa

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

this^
If he is there then we take him cause he is the BPA if he is , not cause we need a guard.

by StarloverinWNC on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t think any CB that is elite falls far enough at 14 ….which would require a move up…and if sacrificing other positions for another year demands it ..so be it …IMO…CB has to be the first pick if its there

by 0k on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

Stay put

This team has too many needs. While I would love to have the OL set for the future after just two offseasons remodeling it, its not worth sacrificing the D. I’m generally just not a fan of the “all in” strategy, even though I see the logic given our best players are now over 30.

Good teams don’t go all in, they constantly reshape the roster and reload.

The only way this D improves without significant talent acquisition is if Bruce Carter improves greatly and Jenkins plays a whole year healthy. I’m not sure I see improvement anywhere else on the roster, and I think theres a possibility Ware begins to decline.

Asking the team to replace/resign the many defensive free agents it has through free agency and the back of the draft just doesn’t seem realistic.

Also – if we get DeCastro, do we really need a top center? It seems like we get less improvement out of that than we would a cb or de.

But man….I think Free is going to dominate back at RT, and while Tyron may struggle a little next year, I think long run hes going to be a good LT at the worst,. Add in DeCastro and Konz…damn that would be a good line.

by foyesboys on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

Intresting look at the draft ScarletO

Taking Decastro and moving up to take Konz gives you something to think about.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 13, 2012 12:05 AM CST reply actions  

Stay put

Love the idea of having DeCastro & Konz added to the OL to protect Romo & open up running lanes for Murray, but I wouldn’t do it at the expense of picks when we have so many slots to fill to be a SB contender. I believe we are 2 drafts & FA seasons from contending for a SB in 2013. If we were 1 player away, then it would make sense to get us over the hump.

If we stand pat with our picks we can still get some good prospects. I ran a draft simulation from Drafttek’s site, keyed in what I felt would best help Dallas get back to the SB & this is what it came up with for the team we all love:

1st: G DeCastro
2nd: DT Dontari Poe
3rd: DE34 Fletcher Cox
4th: TE Michael Egnew – can’t block & plays the slot at times. Robinson insurance?
5th: OLB34 Jonathan Massaquoi * – undeclared JR.
or
5th: DE/OLB Malik Jackson – one report has him as 34DE or 34OLB. RR could use him.
6th: LT Matt McCants
or
6th: 34DE Derek Wolfe
7th: FB Evan Rodriquez – Running game went downhill w/out Fiammetta

Of course players will move up & down after the combine so names will likely change. Whatever we slots we don’t fill in this OS we can focus during the next FA signing period & 2013 draft. Go Cowboys & let’s get someone to lay out B. Jacobs on the star.

by 99yard_TD_Run on Jan 13, 2012 3:24 AM CST reply actions  

That is a great draft.

What would make it even better is if we get Jason Jones as FA

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 13, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

No one really knows

that’s why it’s just an early projection. prospects drop & rise up until draft day so who knows. if he’s not there I could see Dallas going for TE Fleener or OLB Irvin. although I’ve heard that some have said that Irvin would struggle if asked to play SOLB in the 34. Different boards rate prospects differently, but it was fun running the draft simulation software to see what we could get.

by 99yard_TD_Run on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The idea of adding DeCastro and Konz

would be appealing and worth giving up a 3 rd pick for IMO.

However, this would mean Dallas would need to be VERY active in FA to replace TNew and add some pressure players in the front 7.

It would be possible, but in all likelihood, the defense would struggle again next year with the offense moving into the “elite” category.

It will be very interesting to see how teams like NO, NE and Green Bay do in the playoffs with elite offenses paired with mediocre to bad defenses.

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Jan 13, 2012 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

the one thing which would cause me pause is

there could be some very good prospects in the 3rd round. But then again, if you have All-Pro grades on Konz and DeCastro and an opportunity to get them both you have to pull the trigger.

There will be no players in taken in the third round with All-Pro grades pre-draft (not saying they can’t turn into All-Pro’s, just they aren’t projected to be All-Pro’s or they would be taken in the first round).

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

As you say:

“…if you have All-Pro grades on Konz and DeCastro and an opportunity to get them both you have to pull the trigger.”

As opposed to forfeiting a selection that has less than an 8% chance to be a Pro Bowler, I would say that is a smart move. If Konz falls to 29 (after declaring for the NFL draft), I bet Dallas trades with New England to acquire the Wisconsin center’s rights.

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Fun fact.

Who kept Konz off the field at Wisconsin till he was injured in a scooter accident?

I bet several get this one. :)

by Rena on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Pick me! Pick ME!

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

as No one else has

It was Bill Nagy….and I am now really looking forward to the Combine, as I am wanting to compare Konz to Nagy, measurables wise….Nagy put up numbers Comparable to Nick Mangold…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 15, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions  

And we have a winner!

/folds a little Cowboy hat and hands it to Iron.

by Rena on Jan 15, 2012 5:17 AM CST up reply actions  

looks at Hat, looks back at Rena

Thanks……I think…haha

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 15, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Much depends on your time horizon

If you’re thinking 1 year only, then the defense must get addressed. But if you’re thinking longer term, getting two guys rated around #5 overall at a cost of your first 3 picks in one year and then addressing the forgotten areas next year my be a really good long term strategy.

by Ridgelake on Jan 13, 2012 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

I believe that you hit on what has been the missing ingredient since the departure of Jimmy Johnson.

Patience.

Dallas has holes at two DE positions, as well as OLB, ILB, CB, S, OG (at least one), and C. If Bruce Carter develops into a quality ILB and either Arkin, Nagy, or Kowalski step up at either guard or center spot, that still leaves 7 holes.

It could be argued that significant upgrades over Scandrick and Sensabaugh are also necessary. Assuming that Dallas is able to resign Laurent Robinson and Felix Jones (I hope the team can), there are 9 starting positions the Cowboys should look to upgrade.

That is almost half of the starters. Martellus Bennett will leave to provide himself a better opportunity to start, also making the second tight end a position of need.

With so many needs, it makes sense for the Cowboys to get the best players possible to improve the roster. The team cannot afford to miss on any first round pick in the next three drafts if it hopes to get to a Super Bowl with Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff, and the rest of the talented veterans.

A strong argument could also be made that Dallas needs to hit on almost every second round pick and end up with three playmakers per draft through either rounds 2-7 or with rookie free agent over the next thee drafts. this team needs to keep an eye on the future and draft the best/safest player.

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Felix Jones

This is a trade that should be made!

RexP

by Rex Pfister on Jan 13, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like Rafael Vela, but he was off on this one.

With all due respect to Raf, the entire premise of the article is flawed. He notes that a source admitted that Baltimore was not interested in Dez Bryant.

Really?

Dez was far and away the greatest talent on the board. His off field behavior would not deter Baltimore (see the drafting of CB, Jimmy Smith). In addition, the Ravens had a great need at wide receiver, and still do.

Look at the evidence: the Ravens traded out of the spot after Dallas traded up and stole Bryant from them. Jerry did the right thing jumping over the Ravens to get the best player still available.

Denver was likely talking to both of the teams, but Dallas topped the Broncos’ offer and jumped over Baltimore. The Ravens then took the trade offer from Denver, who selected Tebow.

I doubt that Dez would have been available had Dallas not moved up. There is too much circumstantial evidence to be offset by a source with a vested interest to dispute the facts.

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It’s just food for thought. I think the point is that Dallas has too little depth and should be very wary of trading away picks for players it sees as difference makers, especially given all of the uncertainty surrounding which players pan out.

by Nassau Cowboy on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

At the same time, look at the numbers I posted above.

Less than 8% of the players selected in the third round end up being named to a Pro Bowl during their career. I equate Pro Bowl recognition with playmaking, since that has a big impact on each player’s selection to Honolulu.

If Dallas traded up to select a player in the top ten, the target better be a special player at a position of need. The only player in this draft that fits that description is Morris Claiborne. To get Claiborne, the Cowboys will need to sacrifice their first and second round picks.

I posted where I thought each player would be selected in the first round below. I beleive that Claiborne will go to Tampa Bay with the fifth pick, so Dallas will not have an opportunity to draft him. I also believe that New England (who acquired New Orleans’ first round selection in the 2012 NFL draft), will own two of the selections between 29 and 32. The Patriots will trade one of those picks.

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not really trying to argue you here, or against a trade-up. I think we probably think a lot of the same things about the draft. I only want to point out that Dallas does have a few difference makers. We can always use more (especially on defense), but we also need average role-players instead of the below-average ones we have currently. We don’t have any depth.

by Nassau Cowboy on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgive me if I came away with an aggressive tone.

I did not feel that you were being argumentative in any way. Sorry if I came off that way.

I did read your post, “Law of diminishing returns”. I thought it was interesting.

Not trying to argue here. I did have this thought:

In high level competition, athletes generally have parts of their game that are relatively strong. if the strengths of one competitor cannot be overcome by the opponent, there is no reason for the competitor to change.

In football, the drive the Cowboys put together after tying the score on James Washington’s fumble return in the second Super Bowl against the Bills comes to mind. Dallas ran the ball with Emmitt Smith the whole way down the field and pounded the ball in for the go-ahead touchdown.

Buffalo could not stop what Dallas was doing, and therefore the Cowboys continued to run the ball and scored. The Bills did not have the players to stop the Cowboys.

In sports, having superior talent generally does not lead to diminishing returns. Look at the Giants: that teams has stock-piled defensive line talent and the dominance of that unit is fueling a playoff drive.

The Saints, Patriots, and Packers have all invested considerable resources on the offensive side of the ball. The Saints traded their 2012 first round draft choice for a running back. The Patriots drafted an offensive tackle with their first 2011 draft pick. The Packers drafted an offensive tackle in 2010 and another in 2011.

Every team mentioned above is still in the playoffs and is among the favorites to win the Super Bowl. All of those teams picked an offensive player in the 2011 NFL draft, despite having dominant offenses in 2010.

Dominance on one side of the ball generally is the difference between winning and losing. Collecting average players or role players does not lead to dominance.

I do not argue that this edition of the Cowboys has too many below average players, but the solution should not be to add average players, but rather exceptional ones. The 4th through 7th rounds of the draft and rookie free agents should better add depth to the roster.

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

in the 3rd round it's not exactly about finding a probowl player.. .remember a solid player that meshes well and brings his own positives to the team is still a must.

our top 3 or 4 players have to make the team and start by their 2nd year

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 13, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Appears the current brain-trust War Room approach

Build the foundation, but be opportunistic when it makes sense. Overall, stay true to your board/assessments.

Last year was so exceptional – minimal FA acquisition(divine intervention JJ was thwarted), no Draft Day trades. Don’t think that will be the case this year.

'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5

by tdships on Jan 13, 2012 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

I think there will be more movement in the draft this season.

I do not think that the Cowboys, however, will be chasing big name free agents anytime soon. For the first time in Cowboys history, Jerry has to contend with TWO respected sources: Jason Garrett and Stephen Jones.

As 5Blings noted in answer to one of my responses, if Stephen and Jason present a united front, Jerry will acquiesce to their football opinion. There are no other voices Jerry is listening to at the moment.

Stephen and Jason proved to be a force when both reportedly swayed Jerry to release Terrell Owens after Jerry paid TO a large sum of money. Stephen has been reportedly more conservative and less than a risk-taker than Jerry.

Study the recent Cowboys signings in free agency. Any big money, big name free agents since bringing on Terrell Owens?

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely not

But not for a lack of trying last season, JJ was definitely hearing ‘Voices’ with his pursuit of NA.

'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5

by tdships on Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

I don’t think Jerry is quite done with the big-ticket FA’s.

That’s not a good thing, unless it brings a Calais Campbell to Dallas.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Jan 13, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually I am hoping JG and Stephen over rule him on those.

Jerry is a gambler at heart and loves to throw the dice for a possible huge gain. Especially to his beloved Cowboys. JG and Stephen can gang up on him and prevent a lot of this is my fondest wish.

by Rena on Jan 14, 2012 4:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody overrules Jerry in Dallas

…they can only hope to persuade him.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

by 5Blings on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

If you watched the 2011 season.....

Then it is like a slap in the face that Dallas needs to draft defensive, especially in the first round.

Do we need O-line upgrades? Yes, no question, but after watching the God-awful secondary and one-sided pass rush allow unrestricted movement up and down the field by opposing offenses (especially in the 4h quarter) I am totally, thoroughly convinced D must draft a CB or an OLB in the first round.

I think that obviously we need to target a corner, but if Claiborne and Kirkpatrick are not there, then we have got to pick Upshaw. I like what I have seen of this guy for two years, and he has that high motor that ensures he doesn’t take plays off.

That is my personal want, but the facts are we need to look in the later rounds, or free agency, for a guard or center improvement.

In fact, my honest opinion is that Dallas needs to concentrate defensively in this draft.

I don’t think the offense is that far off, but the defense is hideous and it starts in the secondary/linebacker area.

"Triumph of the uncluttered mind" - Blaine Nye on Clint Longley, 1974

by Cecil34 on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

At this moment, Bunting does not have Upshaw rated as even a first round talent.

Wes notes that Upshaw is not necessarily an upgrade over Spencer as a pass rusher on Rafael Vela’s site (http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01/bunting-part-i-can-bama-backer-answer.html):

“I was looking at Anthony Spencer’s stats, and I think his high was 6.0 sacks in a season. Upshaw is going to be right in that range. Maybe he has a year where he gets 8-9 sacks, but 5-6-7 sacks a year is where we’re going to see Upshaw. He’s going to play the run really well.”

Look at OLB/DE prospects in this draft, and none really stand out. Here is how I see the draft going (at this moment):

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Darn. Here is the first round as I see it (pardon the formatting):

1 Indianapolis Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2 St. Louis Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
3 Minnesota Matt Kalil OT USC
4 Cleveland Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
5 Tampa Bay Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6 Washington Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
7 Jacksonville Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
8 Carolina Devon Still DT Penn State
9 Miami Nick Perry OLB USC
10 Buffalo Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
11 Kansas City Riley Reiff OT Iowa
12 Seattle Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
13 Arizona Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
14 Dallas David DeCastro OG Stanford
15 Philadelphia Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16 NY Jets Mark Barron SS Alabama
17 Cincinnati Trent Richardson RB Alabama
18 San Diego Melvin Ingram OLB South Carolina
19 Chicago Kendell Wright WR Baylor
20 Tennessee Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
21 Cincinnati Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
22 Cleveland Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
23 Detroit Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
24 Pittsburgh Mike Adams OT Ohio State
25 Denver Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
26 NY Giants David Wilson RB Virginia Tech
27 Houston Dontari Poe DT Memphis
28 San Francisco Dwight Jones WR North Carolina
29 New England Trade
30 Baltimore Dwayne Allen TE Clemson
31 New England Jared Crick DE Nebraska
32 Green Bay Bruce Irvin OLB West Virginia

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

HOU picks Poe and watch out for that D

'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5

by tdships on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Houston won't pick Poe

Their front 7 dominates now… they will go for areas of need BPA… I don’t see them going there.

RexP

by Rex Pfister on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Other people make two or three part posts with that content, and some even hide it behind a pay wall.

You on the other hand …

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 13, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You are too kind.

This post was actually a product of something you said in another post. Paraphrasing:, “I believe that you should never trade down, but trading down to trade back up to have two picks in the 20’s could be a great strategy.”

by ScarletO on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikings

. . . would be crazy to pass on RG III . . . just because they reached to pick that QB on their roster . . . I don’t think Kalis is worth the third pick in the draft . . . more likely, someone pays a king’s ransom to the Vikings to get to three to take RG III.

by Iowacowboy on Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you think about Hightower Scarlet?

Raf and WB discussed him today after he declared yesterday.

by Rena on Jan 13, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cowboys need to practice restraint. Trading up is generally a good draft day

practice as it is usually, and we should quality “usually” very heavily, used to target certain players. Targeting players generally is the result of self and player scouting. I’ve always been a propoent of moving up. The first Cowboys dynasty was built on trading up.

Trading down, well, if done right, can yield dividends though I suspect the Boyz have abused this practice. Too much guesswork is involved in deciding which player will still be available and drafting can be a predicament as the pool of players can shrink rapidly. I think about the Mike Pouncey almost draft and the other drafts in which Jerry trades down to accumulate picks. You can’t scout picks but you can scout players.

by bresson on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM CST reply actions  

Excellent perspective Scarlet

I’m for whatever brings the greatest # of potential elite players. DeCastro is almost assuredly going to be elite (barring injury). Konz just may be as well. In addition to them, I think Kalil, Luck and Richardson will be multiple pro-bowl attendees at some point.

I’m not so sure about Claiborne. Same for Barron, DreKirk or any of the other supposed great pass rushers or CBs. They may be good, but just won’t be superstars like Brady, Larry Allen, Stepnoski, etc.

It’s always better to gain potential superstar players whenever they come around because it’s not that often that they come around…

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 14, 2012 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

2. Pick at 14th and trade up to 29th.

That would be my vote; fix the offense finally. We owe this to Romo. Go shopping for defensive talent.

by Iowacowboy on Jan 15, 2012 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

I like Staying Put!

We have Free Agency to fill some of these needs as well. I think a premier O Lineman in the first two rounds, and a good free agency pick up and our line will be good. We cant afford to give up any of our top 4 picks. Spend the rest on defense and get some players in here that can play. Add a playmaker or two in free agency for the defense as well.

by Oakster41 on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

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