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ChiaCrack's Big Board V2.0

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Now that all of the underclassmen have declared, we finally get a better look at how this draft will turn out in the talent department.

This year we have a new record of underclassmen entering the draft with 57.

What is crazy to me is that the underclassmen just keep getting better and better. If I look at this draft class as a whole, I would say that the underclassmen are more talented than the seniors that came out. The upward trend continues to rise and that number could reach 60 next year.

Honestly this year is a difficult year to grade prospects, especially after the top 15-20. The blue chip prospects are down from last year. It was easy for me to rank the top 15, but after that it really got difficult. There really isn't much separation between some of the prospects. It would be a good year to have multiple picks, but if I was the Cowboys I would make sure I wouldn't trade down. The talent pool really thins out towards the bottom of the first round.

I know people envision us being the New England Patriots and work out these dream scenarios, but we just don't have success trading down. Stay put and take a good player. I would entertain the idea of moving up, but the risk of losing draft picks this team needs is just too much of a concern.

In the first big board, I mentioned some of the strengths of this years class. The cornerback class this year is just amazing. There is so much depth at this position and a team could really land a quality corner between the 2nd and 3rd round this year. That is great news for the Cowboys.

At first I didn't believe this was a strong pass rushing class, but after taking a second look it appears to be somewhat deep. The problem is that the depth is only in the first two rounds. After that it drops off big time, but if we are going to draft a pass rusher it should be within the first two rounds. The first two rounds offer a pretty good selection and picking at #14, we could have our choice of the crop.

Wide receiver is immensely deep this year too. This class offers some great prospects and depth. It's not like the Cowboys need any, but you just never know who may fall to you on draft day.

The weakest positions in this years class have to be safety and defensive lineman. The Cowboys have been plagued by these weak safety classes in the recent years and the answer may be another year away. Outside of Mark Barron, there are no Ed Reed's out there. The only safeties that I would draft this year would be Mark Barron, Markelle Martin, Brandon Taylor, and Aaron Henry. That is truly remarkable considering how this league has put a premium on the safety position, but the talent in the draft is just not there, yet again.

The other area that is truly weak has to be defensive lineman. Because I am a Cowboys fan, I am not really looking at 4-3 guys. Since we run the defense that requires unique talent, the 3-4, I tend to focus on those kind of players. Nose tackle looks fairly weak outside of Dontari Poe and Josh Chapman. There aren't too many five technique defensive ends either. Maybe I am wrong and of course there are always guys who come out of nowhere, but from a scouting standpoint this is a weak class.

Star-divide

The Top 50

Rank Previous
Player Position College Change
1 1 *Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2 4 *Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3 7 *Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
4 2 *Matt Kalil OT USC
5 6 *Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6 3 *Trent Richardson RB Alabama
7 5 *David DeCastro OG Stanford
8 14 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
9 22 *Peter Konz C Wisconsin
10 15 Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
11 NR *Michael Brockers DT LSU
12 19 Courtney Upshaw LB Alabama
13 10 *Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
14 27 *Nick Perry DE USC
15 11 Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
16 8 *Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
17 24 Kendall Wright WR Baylor
18 9 *Riley Reiff OT Iowa
19 30 Mark Barron S Alabama
20 21 *Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
21 31 *Don'ta Hightower LB Alabama
22 39 *Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
23 17 Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
24 16 *Dontari Poe DT Memphis
25 12 Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
26 18 Devon Still DT Penn State
27 47 Coby Fleener TE Stanford
28 13 Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
29 25 Kelechi Osemele OG Iowa State
30 23 Bruce Irvin LB West Virginia
31 NR Chandler Jones DE/OLB Syracuse
32 NR Brandon Washington OG Miami
33 20 Zach Brown LB North Carolina
34 28 Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
35 NR Orson Charles TE Georgia
36 NR Mohammed Sanu WR Rutgers
37 NR Jonathan Massaquoi DE/OLB Troy
38 33 *Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
39 NR David Wilson RB Virginia Tech
40 35 Jared Crick DE Nebraska
41 37 *Ronnell Lewis LB Oklahoma
42 34 *Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech
43 36 *Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
44 43 *Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
45 46 *Lamar Miller RB Miami
46 40 Mike Adams OT Ohio State
47 41 Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State
48 42 Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
49 50 Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
50 29 *Vontaze Burfict LB Arizona State
Out
- - 26 Cordy Glenn OG Georgia
- - 32 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M Injury
- - 38 *Brandon Jenkins LB Florida State Back To School
- - 44 *Montee Ball RB Wisconsin Back To School
- - 45 Billy Winn DE Boise State
- - 48 James-Michael Johnson LB Nevada
- - 49 *Marcus Forston DT Miami
(*) denotes underclassmen

Here's how the Top 50 board splits out by position groups

QB WR TE RB OT C/G
*Andrew Luck *Justin Blackmon Coby Fleener *Trent Richardson *Matt Kalil *David DeCastro
*Robert Griffin III Kendall Wright Orson Charles David Wilson *Jonathan Martin *Peter Konz
*Alshon Jeffery *Lamar Miller *Riley Reiff Kelechi Osemele
Michael Floyd Mike Adams Brandon Washington
Mohammed Sanu
DT DE LB CB S
*Michael Brockers Melvin Ingram Courtney Upshaw *Morris Claiborne Mark Barron
*Dontari Poe *Nick Perry *Luke Kuechly *Dre Kirkpatrick Markelle Martin
Devon Still Quinton Coples *Don'ta Hightower Janoris Jenkins
Brandon Thompson Jared Crick Bruce Irvin *Stephon Gilmore
*Fletcher Cox *Whitney Mercilus Zach Brown Alfonzo Dennard
*Jerel Worthy Chandler Jones *Ronnell Lewis *Jayron Hosley
Jonathan Massaquoi *Vontaze Burfict Chase Minnifield
Jamell Fleming


Risers

  • Nick Perry- Reminds me a lot of Terrell Suggs and he is really growing on me. Come April, Perry might be one of the most hyped pass rushers in the entire draft.
  • Mark Barron- If Barron were a FS, he would be even higher on my board and he would find himself #1 on my Cowboys draft board. The problem is he is more of a prototypical SS. Regardless of his position at safety, the kid looks like a missile sent to wreak havoc in NFL secondaries. Barron is one of my biggest risers after an impressive performance in the BCS title game.
  • Don'ta Hightower- Another Alabama player who really opened some eyes in the BCS game was Hightower. He could play inside in a 3-4 or in the 4-3. If he runs well at the combine, he will be a high draft pick. Hightower is starting to get graded higher than Rolando McClain and that is amazing.
  • Stephon Gilmore- Gilmore is one of my favorite CB's in the class. He has the size and ball skills to be a starer early on in his career. He is also a willing tackler, which is quite rare now a days. I was hoping he would be there in the 2nd for us, but it's not looking that way anymore.
  • Coby Fleener- After watching the importance of athletic tight ends in the playoffs this weekend, it really hit me hard that tight end position is becoming a true X Factor in games. Fleener is making progress in the run blocking department, but his game is being a pass threat. Fleener may be the best TE in the entire class and end up as a real steal on draft day.
  • Kendall Wright- When I breakdown tape on him and read about him, he just grows on me more and more. I see a DeSean Jackson type wide receiver without the baggage. I have seen Greg Jennings comparisons, but I think the Steve Smith (Panthers) comparison is the best I have heard so far. He is a great route runner who is smooth out there on the field. He should run a low 4.4, maybe a 4.3 40 yard dash. If he does that, watch out for Kendall Wright then. Wright will be a big time threat on the next level.
  • Peter Konz- The best center in this years draft and in my opinion it's not even close. Centers aren't drafted high or valued as much as they used to be. Konz comes with some medical concerns, but if he checks out okay, his high ranking will stay put. Konz will not get drafted in the top ten, but he will be one of the ten best players in this years draft.
  • Courtney Upshaw- He looks faster than what people give him credit for and I have to rank him higher right now. If he has a bad workout at the combine, I will drop him accordingly. But right now Upshaw deserves a high ranking on my draft board. He is stout against the run and is a good pass rusher. I really can't ask for too much more from him except that he runs well at the combine in February.
  • Justin Blackmon- He is the best WR prospect in this years draft. His game is reminiscent of TO's back in the day and Blackmon doesn't come with the baggage TO did. He is strong and powerful, but needs to focus on catching the ball better. Other than that, he is rock solid as a prospect.
  • Robert Griffin III- RG3 blew me away this season, but he might have saved his best for last in his bowl game performance. He is larger than Michael Vick, runs like a deer, and has a great arm. Luck will go #1 and rightfully so, but RG3 will not fall far behind. Another rock solid blue chip prospect.

Fallers

  • Jonathan Martin- Martin starts to drop after I am starting to read some of his scouting reports. So far some of the stuff I read labeled him as an athletic offensive tackle, but plays with finesse too much. The skill set is there for him to be a good tackle in the NFL, right now I just don't know if he is top 10 material. He could be a player that rises again after a good combine.
  • Riley Reiff- This is a guy I haven't paid too much attention to this year. Mainly I haven't been scouting offensive tackles because I did that last year in my search to replace Marc Columbo. Reiff may be more of a right tackle on the NFL level and that right there drops him down my board. His combine workout could determine if teams see him as a LT or RT.
  • Quinton Coples- For two years I heard how Coples was a "beast". Well maybe this "beast" should have entered the draft last year because his stock is dropping. Amazing athlete, no motor and character concerns drive him down my board. No doubt he is a physical specimen, but I watched him quit on a lot of plays and didn't see a good motor in him. My first BOOM or BUST prospect so far, because he will either be Julius Peppers or he will be Gaines Adams/Aaron Maybin. If I was a team, I would do my homework on this kid and make sure he wants to play football. He has not shown any love or emotion for the game so far in my evaluation of him.
  • Alfonzo Dennard- This is a prospect I actually really like, but his bowl game left more questions than answers about him. He got into an altercation with Alshon Jeffery after the two had been going at it. Dennard lost his cool and was ejected. Before you say he is the total opposite of the RKG, I have followed him for the last two years and he is a real good kid. Like Prince Amukamara, he has trouble with the ball in the air and is undersized. I love the kid, but I have to drop him on my board.
  • Zach Brown- Another UNC prospect who is an amazing athlete, but there are just too many questions about him and his game. He is vastly undersized to play in the 3-4 defense, so primarily he will be looked at by 4-3 teams. A Cover 2 type scheme would be a good fit for him where he could use his athleticism in coverage. I am not high on any UNC player right now and they will have to have strong combine performances to sell me over again.
  • Vontaze Burfict- He falls the farthest from 29 to 50. I love the guys physical demeanor and athletic ability, but he is a total headcase with many issues. It's starting to come out that some NFL teams will completely take him off their board. He has issues off the field, he fights with teammates, and he is a loose cannon on the field. A team will take the chance here, but it better be a team with good veteran leadership. He is a major BOOM or BUST prospect, he will either get it together and become a great linebacker or he will end up a bust and be out of the NFL very shortly. His negatives outweigh the positives right now for me.
  • Cordy Glenn- The more I research Glenn, the less I like him. He reminds me of the former type of offensive lineman we used to go after. Big, slow, and strong. I really think he would be an awful fit for our offense and that isn't the only reason I dropped him. More teams are moving to the smaller athletic type lineman and are using more zone blocking schemes. Cordy Glenn is a solid prospect, but I just don't think he is as good as he was advertised earlier on in the season.
  • Ryan Tannehill- Tannehill suffered an ankle injury and will not be able to perform in the upcoming draft prospect bowls. This is killing his draft stock because teams will be able to see him work out. I have Tannehill still as my 3rd best QB in the draft, but his stock is slipping because of his injury. In a few weeks we should have a clearer picture of what is going on with him. Tannehill might be down, but he may not be down for long. Quarterbacks with strong arms, athleticism, and size are hard to come by.

New Entries

  • Michael Brockers- Brockers will be a quick riser on many boards, not just mine. He is a big defensive lineman with some speed. This is a very weak defensive line class and Brockers in my opinion is the cream of the crop. The combine will be his to show the world just how good of an athlete he is. Keep your eye on Brockers, because he is on his way up.
  • Chandler Jones- I am higher on Jones than most right now, but in a few months I will either look brilliant or stupid. I am going to bank on brilliant because Chandler Jones has the size, athleticism, and speed to become a real good pass rusher on the next level. I am a bit of a Jones homer, but this kid just oozes talent and I love pass rushers with those long arms.
  • Brandon Washington- Being a Miami fan, I tried to stay biased with ranking Washington. I felt that he made a great decision to come out because he is a great guard prospect who is ready for the NFL. Washington is very strong and has good footwork. He can get out and pull, and teams will love to hear that. He is a better prospect than last years 2nd round offensive tackle taken out of Miami, Orlando Franklin. Keep your eye on Washington, he could have a draft board rise like James Carpenter did last year.
  • Orson Charles- Charles just declared this week and he is one of the best tight ends in this years class. He doesn't have the best hands in the world, but he is a good athlete and has decent size. TE is the new X Factor position in the NFL and I see a premium being placed on the tight end position now. Charles should work out well and get drafted higher because of that.
  • Mohammed Sanu- Sanu kind of reminds me of Hakeem Nicks. Both were very raw at this stage, but had great athleticism and size. Sanu is just a natural playmaker and will be a good wide receiver on the next level.
  • Jonathan Massaquoi- I just recently began to follow Massaquoi and he really impressed me. He comes from Troy, the same school to NFL stars DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyora. He wears #94 in honor of Ware and this kid may be the next big thing out of Troy. He has an awesome burst off the line and is a polished pass rusher who makes his living in the backfield. Boy is this kid growing on me, check him out.
  • David Wilson- Virginia Tech is know for producing good cornerbacks and good running backs. David Wilson is the complete package as a runner and looks like a traditional workhorse running back. He isn't the fastest, but his acceleration and burst are very good. Wilson just looks like a solid player and well polished. Wilson is ready for the NFL.

Darren Sproles 2.0?

LaMichael James is a kid I am really high on. After watching the success Darren Sproles has had this year, it instantly made me think about James. James isn't ranked in my top 50, but that is only for right now. I think James is going to be a real good player in the NFL for a few reasons.

His size will limit his touches and he could possibly face some injuries, but he is very versatile. The team that drafts James (I think the Chargers) should use him in the Sproles role.

You send him out wide as a receiver. Throw him the ball out of the backfield. Use him on punt returns. James is also underrated as a runner. He has great vision and uses that to his advantage when looking for cutback holes. Defenses sometimes have trouble spotting him during a play because his height helps him disappear behind blockers. Once he turns on the juice and accelerates, he could be gone for six. His burst and athleticism are very good.

I am going to keep analyzing him throughout the winter and break him down more. I really believe that he could be a real steal for a team in the third round.

#14, So Many Options

For our Cowboys segment of the big board, I want to talk about options. The Cowboys have plenty of options this year with the 14th pick.

Last year they had multiple options and I think it's great when a team isn't tied down to one line of thinking.

We will obviously break it down and analyze it to death over the next few months, but we have options folks and options are always a good thing to have.

BIG THANKS TO OCC FOR HELPING ME SET UP THE BOARD AND RANKINGS. TRULY APPRECIATE IT OCC, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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Great post chia

By the way, just listened to the podcast, great job on that as well.

by matt575 on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

podcast?

what’s the name? i’d like to check it out.

by Jericho Slim on Jan 17, 2012 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

front page article

scroll down on the home page it should still be there

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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 17, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

great article, great podcast

and great fabo quote. most underrated lyricist of this generation

by Jericho Slim on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

yeah Fab rhymes about Romo a lot

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Great job, Chia.

About to check out the podcast.

I smell something... It smells like... hope. And BBQ.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

do it

its pretty dope

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

is J.Hosley entering the draft from VT?

dude was a great CB

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

yup he's in

I like him a lot myself
little undersized and isnt the fastest, but is quick and a ballhawk

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent job Chia.

I agree with you about Nick Perry and LaMichael James.

What do you think of Vinny Curry and Bruce Irvin?

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 17, 2012 12:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I am not a big Curry fan

I haven’t watched too much tape on him, but when I did he looked like more of a 4-3 guy to me anyway

he is one guy I have to continue researching

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Glue it to Jerry Jones 's 's car.

The kind of glue that you need to scrape off.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 AM CST reply actions  

lol

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see

Andre Branch on your list. Where do you see him?

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by egriffey on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

I have him as a late 2nd early 3rd guy right now

he is another guy I have to continue watching and researching because when I watched a couple of Clemson games this year he really didn’t stand out to me

its early, so I have time to continue looking him over

I know Todd McShay loves him and has him as a first round talent

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The only game I saw him play

against Va.Tech, he had 8 tackles and 4 sacks. He was a monster. But I just looked at his stats, and it looks like he has really good games, and games where he disappears.

I’d still love to see a star on his helmet.

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by egriffey on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm calling it right now

If Brockers goes high in this year’s draft, it will be the Panthers who take him. Ron Rivera coached D for our AFC Cowboys (SD Chargers), who run the 3-4. He wants a guy who can play both 4-3 and 3-4 DL, and they just might take him. The only other DT that comes close to a first rd talent is Poe and taking him in the top 10 may be a reach.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

yeah good point

a lot of mocks had them taking Devon Still, but Brockers is the better prospect, especially for that 4-3

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

only youtube game tape I could find on Ingram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5dkwPHQJXk&feature=related

Ingram’s athleticism is apparent early, he has great acceleration. You can see hes also a disciplined player, seems to do a good job with his gap assignments. In his highlight clips, the guy seems to have good ball skills to, seems like a playmaker.

Later on though…not so good. Very slow off the snap at points. Getting pushed around in the run game a little too. Nothing to impressive in the last 20 plays in this game.

Definitely higher on him than a guy like Stills to improve our pass rush, but not sure hes the fix we’re all looking for.

Chia (I know you’ve probably stated this many times) – what sort of game tape do you use to make your board?

by foyesboys on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 AM CST reply actions  

Positions are the College positions up ther

not the positions they would play on our team.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 2:31 AM CST up reply actions  

3-4 OLB

reminds me of Justin Tuck, who yes could be a pass rush OLB

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Melvin Ingram is my dude

nothing can change my mind about him, he is my #1 target for the Cowboys, I just love the kid

I use a bunch of stuff

I watch games during the college season, usually I try to focus on players during the game and single people out
I use the Mocking The Draft database on youtube that has almost every game uploaded there
I do use highlights sometimes, but they are really a bad way to scout guys you know, but I still watch them, the best videos for me is when a guys entire game is uploaded and they put a circle around him before the snap
I read scouting reports
I read about 4-5 different draft sites daily

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

could we trade down and still get him??

I wonder we could work it out where we could also get Stephon Gilmore

With a trade down
Get Ingram
then trade up again use the pick for trading down and some more and get Gilmore

then we get Jason Jones as a free agent

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

ok thanks

I’ll look take a look at the Mocking the Draft database.

I’ve been searching for full game tapes too

by foyesboys on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah they got a pretty good database man

they upload new games daily pretty much

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

If the board goes like this, then I say if Brockers is on the board in the 1st then take him

Then in the second round, if Massoquoi really is second round talent, then I think you take him and start him opposite D-ware on the strong side. I think you may have just solved your pass rush if that was the draft and Massaquoi really is that good. I can’t wait for the combine to see how he stacks up.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 2:33 AM CST reply actions  

Brockers is growing on me at 14

if he is there, I think we gotta take him man

this Massaquoi kid, wow I didnt watch any Troy games this year and yesterday I got to take a look at some tape of him, I really like him man

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Warning if you watch this video you won’t think about anyone else

consider yourself warned

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1090035

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah but he is a FRESHMAN son

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

gives us more time to think about how to get him

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

he may go #1 overall man

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

real men trade up for players like that

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

In the book the Catch by Gary Myers it says the Cowboys were aware of the talent of Lawrence Taylor and tried to make a play for him but they weren’t willing to pay the price to get him which was a lot more than they offered.

We can stop this from happening a second time.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

When Clowney comes out

The Cowboys may have that pick. LOL

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by RenoCowboy on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Apparently

Troy may be a small school but they are known for their pass rushers, especially athletic ones for the 3-4. Osi AND Ware came out of Troy and today are two of the best PASS RUSHERS in the league. Osi has issues elsewhere and Ware is obviously the most complete guy at his position in the league, but yeah, Troy gives good rushers apparently.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

he is really growing on me

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I like him, but I wonder what his weight is.

I watched some 2010 tape of him and the dude is definitely an athlete. Back then though, his weight was apparently 20 pounds lighter than it is currently listed by his school. I wonder what he weighs now and how that affects where he best fits.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah thats the problem with some schools

they lie about the numbers

that is the one thing I really like about Senior Bowls and the combine, you get accurate numbers from the weigh in

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. Watching him though his speed and burst are enticing.

Definitely a guy to keep an eye on.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

he has a great first step

it amazes me how I watch some guys and they are slow as dirt in their first step
idk , off topic I know but man, that kid is fast

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No I absolutely agree. I still rely on the combine to give me a better idea

but this early on, all you have is the eye test and you can still tell who has “it” and who doesn’t to some degree.

I think an interesting exercise would be to look at players who you scouted last year and evaluate yourself to learn (and perhaps you are already doing that).

An interesting case for myself is Aldon Smith. I know you had some positive things to say about him, but if you go back and look at the fanshot linking him to Dallas, most of the replies are akin to what you might expect in a horror movie. I can remember myself being rather lukewarm on him. He certainly had produced and did some things well, but I don’t remember seeing a particularly fast burst or anything to suggest that he would be a guy who could put up double digit sacks as a rookie. When I have gone back and looked at his tape from college again, I think I was watching too much for splash plays. I wasn’t appreciating how he often got the edge (and could turn) with a pretty good first step and the use of his long arms.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 18, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I have been doing that

because of Aldon, I look for these taller guys with long arms and speed

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't disagree too much...

I’d hope the Cowboys have their top seven set up accordingly. If either of those guys in the top 7 fall to 13 I hope they take him.

I think you’re probably too high on Upshaw, yeah he had a great National Championship game, but LSU looked like they belonged in the Special Olympics for most of the game on offense. He also has an entire college career to consider, one good National Championship can’t outweigh a four year career. The same goes for Alonzo Dennard from a bad bowl game. Yeah Jeffery smoked him, but he smoked Kirkpatrick a few times too, it’s what he does. I also think you’re too low on Riley Reiff, he’s basically a rich man’s Bryan Bulaga coming out of college.

I’ll probably reconsider my draft stuff soon too, but right now I think there’s too much movement on every board.

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 AM CST reply actions  

I see Reiff as a Bulaga type myself

but I think I have him rated exactly where he should go, maybe a little higher

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Reiff looks like a great prospect

but maybe I am just biased because I am a Hawks fan. But his measureables are good enough to play left tackle unlike Bulaga and his short arms

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by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

he looks like a Bulaga type

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sign Nicks and draft Brockers first round....

then the talent infusion is underway. At some point I think Jerry will have to consider trading any of the few tradeable commodities and packaging them with mid round draft picks to try and move up and take at least one db. There are two cb’s who could play fs in this class. The one that might be within reach in the second round is Gilmore. He is a bigger cb and has a fs game.

The pass rush is lacking huge in Dallas. When all is said and done I think dl and olb with the first two picks and signing someone like Terrelle Thomas from the Giants to play cb. Nicks would be necessary in this scenario to make sure the o line is solidified.

Most talk about the Giants pass rush and it is awesome for sure. Don’t forget how well their safties have been playing in this run. Jerry has avoided the safety position like the plague. Why I have no idea. The Niner’s safties were laying the wood last Sat. We don’t have any safties like that. No playmakers. Nothing. We have the most anemic safties in the nfl. It shows week after week.

This draft process is fun for us all….break down the the needs though and you will see Dallas is a long ways away….we can’t draft every need with a premium pick.

needs….3 interior o linemen….3 d linemen (who can disrupt , including nt) 1 olb…2 cb’s…2 safties.. add that up and you have 11….Jerry has been cheap since the new stadium. I think he has been short on cash and has been burnt on free agency. He will absolutely need free agency this year to supplement this team. I would prefer 1 stud than 3 Elam’s.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 17, 2012 5:20 AM CST reply actions  

+ A LOT!

Jerry hasn’t brought us anything for a starting safety since Roy Williams and the best thing he could do was lay the wood. We need a real FS in a big bad way Sensi is out of position and it shows! I also agree that 1 stud this year is far more important then 1 year JAGs Elam showed his age late in the season after a decent beginning we need some datgum talented youth in that secondary! What do you think about Church and Mc Cray STers for life or does one have starting potential in the NEAR future?

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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 17, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Special teamers for life.

Spot start evey now and then if the starter is injured.

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by football mensa on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I get that feeling too.

It’s a shame though cuz they are great role players in that sense just need more from them to get this ballclun where it needs to be. If those 2 as well as Butler had panned out into starters we’d be sitting pretty right now but all seem to be backups and situational players.

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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

good stuff mensa

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Well said Mensa

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 12:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bruce Irvin is my guy

Hes the most natural pass rusher in the draft. Spencer wishes he could get after the qb like Irvin . He’s a little on the small side now but that can be fixed. He’s already shown the ability to bull rush bigger tackles. I’d be shocked if he didn’t lead all rookies in sacks next year.

by houseofprime on Jan 17, 2012 5:32 AM CST reply actions  

Irvin's problem is

inexperience. The SOLB position in the 3-4 isn’t all about pass rushing which is the sexy stat. You could play him in passing situations but he is going to take some developing.

by jevans1729 on Jan 17, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Bruce Irvin in the second round

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Exciting times thinking what could happen.

We’re less than 6 weeks out from FA. The Cowboys are going after at least one offensive lineman in FA. In the perfect world we’d bring in Chris Myers and Michael Griffin. I don’t think that is going to leave us the money for a top pass rusher in FA. I am changing almost day to day on the draft. Right now, I’d love to have DeCastro at 14, but our needs are so great, I’d really like to see us trade down into the low 20’s, pick up an extra 2nd round pick, and bring in Dontari Poe in the 1st, pass rusher and cornerback in the 2nd, and guard in the 3rd.

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by White Wolf on Jan 17, 2012 6:22 AM CST reply actions  

Probably can't get

a second trading into the twenties. I think you probably can trade down from 14 to about 18 and get a 3rd rounder. You then could probably still maybe get DeCastro but more likely Janoris Jenkins. At worst, you get Konz. Of course, in my world I already have signed Carl Nicks as a FA. We have to be able to score more than 4 rushing TDs in a whole season.

by jevans1729 on Jan 17, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

we could get a rusher plus Jenkins or Gilmore.

Trade down , then trade up for our second pick

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm against trading down in general but...

I will point out that in draft math 27+48=14. 27 and 48 belong to NE.

Not advocating it, however, if nightmare scenarios unfolded before the 14th pick, I could definately see the logic in getting 3 in the top 48.

Note: I used logic in that sentence and we have Jerry, so…..let’s hope we can stay put and draft happy.

by Cowtoys on Jan 17, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

27 is way too low for me

too risky

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

also dont forget it isnt all about getting a extra 2

A team can also swap dallas 3 rd for their 2nd along with other picks..

So Dallas can end up having a early 20 pick plus two picks in the second round and possibly a late pick in the 3 rd… there many ways to trade picks ..

by lostar2009 on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

if dallas trades down

it will look like another 2009
2009 has completely turned me off with trading down

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Two completely separate events

this draft is different than that draft in terms of talent available, needs of the team, etc. Bad decisions then don’t mean bad decisions will continue this year.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

well when we trade down and take JAGS, dont say I didnt warn you

lol
I never want to trade down again

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Cordy Glenn

better than any OG on the roster.

Markelle Martin – better than any FS on the roster.

Chase Minnifield – probably as good as any CB on the roster.

All projected to go late 1st or 2nd round.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see scenarios where it happens...

Lets say Bockers, DeCastro, Kalil, Richardson, Ingrahm, Kirkpatrick, and Claiborne are all gone. Upshaw has a crappy workout and you’re stuck at 14 with no one you’re in love with…then what do you do?

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

#14 is likely to hold a player that someone is willing to pay for.

A trade down into the 20’s can’t be compared to not having a 1st round pick, and trading away our only 2nd for a bunch of lower picks. Some of the players that will be available in the 20’s are Alfonzo Dennard, Peter Konz, Janoris Jenkins, Dontari Poe. If those guys are somehow gone, that means players ranked above them are still on the board. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you what we could do with 2 second round picks.

We might be able to sign one or two decent FA’s, but three? Somehow we need to get at least 7 or 8 solid players in here…now. It would really make all the difference if 3 or 4 of them were potential playmakers. I have so much more faith in this team than what they did in 2009. Hey, I could be totally off-base here, but somehow we have to be more aggressive than just standing pat.

In a way I agree with your premise of 2009. We cannot afford to depend on a bunch of 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks. We need a talent infusion. 90% of that talent comes from the 3rd round up. We have to increase our number of picks in those rounds. Again, JMO, but if we stay at 14 and take DeCastro or Ingram, or Perry, I won’t be heartbroken, but I’ll know we’re going to have unfilled holes in our defense and offensive line.

I want a really good center. I want a big plugger nose tackle. I want a cornerback without warts. That’s why I’m suggesting to sign a center and safety in FA, it’s more affordable than a pass rusher and cornerback. It’s also better to have vets at those positions. That leaves my draft to pick up the best nose tackle, a better pass rusher than Spencer, and a cornerback from a deep cornerback draft. Going from 14 to 25 is worth that if we draft wisely in the 2nd.

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by White Wolf on Jan 18, 2012 5:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Unless it involves a pick next year

I don’t like idea of trading down at all. But garnering a pick next year would be great. Don’t know if anyone would be willing to part with their 1st this year and next year’s first to trade up, but I would love to have something like that.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If Dallas traded the 14 to Cincy for the 21

Dallas would be able to get back Cincy’s 21st (1st rd), 53rd (2nd rd), and 132 (5th rd) picks.

According to the trade value chart:
14 is worth 1,100 points, while 21 is worth only 800 points. However, the 53 worh 370 points, and 132 is worth another 31.8 points.

If Dallas makes that trade, they get an increase in draft value from 1,100 to 1,201.8

I don’t think this trade happens unless the Boston College ILB is top guy left on Dallas’ board in the first round.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

sproles or mccluster?

I see mccluster when I look at James moreso than sproles. Sproles is short but very stout, and looks like he is able to stand up to the rigors of an nfl season.

Mccluster a nice little player but can’t handle the amount of touches that sproles can. that’s what I see in James. That being said, I still think he can give you some big plays during the course of an nfl season.

by Jericho Slim on Jan 17, 2012 7:00 AM CST reply actions  

I am high on James

he isnt in my top 50 but he could be by April

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

gotta say he's like sproles

james runs between the tackles very effectively for oregon, and is a very tough player. i’d use him as receiver, returner and runner. he’s got a great ability to make you miss as well (something felix lacks).

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I definitely would consider James as 4th or 5th rd pick

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

Felix doesnt have that make you miss ability really

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Great stuff Chia

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by BigBad Joe on Jan 17, 2012 7:36 AM CST reply actions  

thanks

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this is the year for a trade down. Not for need but cause so many dudes are the same.

Then again passing on DeCastro would come back to hurt us .

And I hate taking guards in the first. but you take DeCastro and give up your dreams of a defensive draft. But that is what we ought to do.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

I hate trading down

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Trading down is how you end up with the 2009 draft class

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by Antonio S on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

each class is different

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

but the GM is the same

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

But we aren't the Patriots

They know how to the trade down, Our GM just doesn’t know how to properly trade down

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by Antonio S on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

lol thats what I have been saying

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

Last year we did not have one single trade during the draft. I bet that was killing Jerry but it was the best way to go.

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by Antonio S on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

with a trade down and a trade up we could end up with two players that would really help us.

This way we could get both a pass rusher and a CB

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Jerry Jones stinks, worst owner ever, worst GM ever

by JannyDones on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

you had that bc you had no first round pick.

The guy we wanted was drafted ahead of us..But i dont see how we pass on volmer tho..

But we talking about trading a mid pick for a extra 2 nd rounder…. this draft is so deep with cornerrs

by lostar2009 on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Trading down does not inspire confidence

I don’t trust this front office, granted, no fan’s opinion should matter, but I believe the way Jerry does business, he won’t trade down. This years 1st rounder generated some buzz because he’s a top 10 pick, but I could easily see Jerry trying to build the same hype over a skill player pick. Which also disappoints me. I think the defense would have been better if the offense could get off the field. I would like the best player available regardless with the 1st pick.

by JannyDones on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So heres my question

Assuming the Cowboys address the O-line with current players and a solid free agent acquisition (say – switch tackles, Nagy/Kowalski/Arkin occupying two spots and a FA guard to start with Kosier, Holland, Parnell and the least of the previous trio as backups), which player would have the greatest impact on the defense given current personnel?

I think pass rush fixes the defense faster, but CB talent drops off quickly after the first round. However, should the pass rush focus on the inside (DT, DE) or the outside (OLB)?

  • I understand not everyone will agree with the assumption, but I’m just trying to figure out D at this point.

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by LRogue on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

really we could use talent at any 3

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

No arguement there

But, there is only one first round pick. It is, theoretically, the pick with the highest priority for success. Which position if upgraded from the current starter to a very talented rookie is likely to have the greatest impact on the defense? There are three players and a bunch of guys in the front seven. If you can have four, what position to you ideally want them to play?

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by LRogue on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

again, it depends on who is available

if Brockers is there, he brings instant impact to your DL
if Kirkpatrick is there, he is an instant starter to replace Newman
if Ingram is there, he is an instant upgrade to replace Spencer

I would be equally happy with those 3 guys

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I strongly disagree Brockers brings instant impact

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

he is disruptive

we dont have that type of talent on the DL man, he would be a big time impact

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta be secondary.

Any reasonable defensive back would have made a significant difference in getting off the field, but especially a playmaking strong safety in my opinion.

by JannyDones on Jan 19, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Cordy Glenn OG Georgia

out of the top 50? One draft expert has him even with DeCastro…hint hint the one with the nice hair.

Konz so high? here`s a thought since we feel the need to improve the C position.

14 *Peter Konz C Wisconsin
45 Cordy Glenn OG Georgia
82 Michael Egnew TE Missouri
115 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
135 comp Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
150 Shea McClellin OLB Boise State
186 Derek Wolfe DE Cincinnati
222 Julian Miller OLB West Virginia

by ziggy19 on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

I just dont see it man

I see a good 2nd round pick, but I dont see this great talent people were hyping him up to be

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

So Chia what do u think

14 *Peter Konz C Wisconsin
45 Cordy Glenn OG Georgia

our line

Tyron Kosier Konz Glenn Free

by ziggy19 on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

makes perfect sense

i dont think Glenn is a reach at 45, so I would be really happy with that

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

but I think Kosier is done man

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

he's older for a guard

eventually a write off sticks. I’d rather a younger player if they could get one

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by AustonianAggie on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

It would help if more college teams ran the 3-4

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by Antonio S on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

god yes

this is why I hate the 3-4

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

2nd the motion

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by IRONRAVEN on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

This 3-4 hate is making me laugh.

How quick we are to abandon the ship. The problem isn’t the system. The problem is the talent. Wade Phillips and Rob Ryan are both well-respected defensive coordinators. Does our defense suck because they both just forgot how to call plays? Does it suck because all of a sudden teams figured out the 3-4 and neutralized its advantages? The answer to both questions is no.

What has happened is that Dallas has quickly found out our talent is a lot more deficient than we previously thought. That falls largely on Jerry and Wade (and Parcells even to some degree). Those three guys, over the last 8 years, have made the decisions when it comes to who we draft defensively (e.g. Bill wanting Marcus Spears, Wade wanting Jason Williams, etc.). All in all, they have done a bad job. In the last 8 years, I would say we have drafted three truly impactful guys in Ware, Ratliff and Lee. That’s it. Jenkins has been too inconsistent to qualify and please don’t try to include Spencer on that list.

Now, is the 3-4 hard to draft for and maintain? Some would say yes. I would say no. The top five defenses in opposing QB rating this past year were all 3-4 defenses. If 4-3 defenses were truly easier to draft for and run, I don’t believe you could see a situation like that. I don’t know if I would argue that the 3-4 is truly superior (although I prefer it), but at the very least it is as good as any other system.

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by Creasy729 on Jan 18, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

*I guess Newman could have qualified for a little while there. So maybe four. Maybe.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Not more deficient

just way too inconsistent. I am on record stating that our our squad, with EVERY LAST PLAYER, playing at the top of their game against another team with all of their players playing at the top of their game, not many teams would be able to compete with us.

Newman can play great, but those flashes are few and far between.
Jenkins is the same way, but he is more consistent at least.
We all know Romo is capable of a Brees, Brady, Rodgers-esque game, we saw it this season…
Austin sometimes gets a case of the dropsies
Sensabaugh is exactly like Newman, when he flashes, its really good, but it is few and far between
Spencer also can be really great when he is on as well, but even fewer and far between.
Sometimes I wonder why Felix isn’t making plays, but on his best day, he makes 60 yard scores
Scandrick is getting better I think but on his best day he can practically shut down guys like Welker in the slot.

WE ARE THE MOST INCONSISTENT TEAM IN THE NFL. That is our issue, and that means guys that play the game for a reason other than the fact that the LOVE it to death. Get a team full of football lovers and you will get consistent play.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Call it what you want, but it's not our alignment that is wrong.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Too much projection in drafting for the 3-4.

Why waste the effort. Dallas has failed at it since it switched. The Giants don’t have to blitz and jump around and switch sides and all of that. Not blitzing means 7 in coverage. In the 3-4 you have to blitz too much. And the zone blitz will lead to wr’sin the end zone. I mean seriously why make a d lineman fall back and cover a zone 8 yards off the line of scrimmage ?

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

thats why I like the 4-3

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Well none of that is actually true.

First off, calling a standard four man rush from a 3-4 a blitz is extremely disingenuous.

Second, the Giants are an extreme example to choose from, don’t you think? I mean, any system is going to have some success when you pick pass rushers in the first round more than almost any other team. The Cowboys haven’t done that, so I am not sure why you are so shocked their pass rushers are better.

And third, your hate on the zone blitz is laughable. Go tell Dick LeBeau he’s doing it wrong.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

What has been my point all along ?
And third, your hate on the zone blitz is laughable.

That Dallas can’t draft for the 3-4. Pitt can. SO why not make it easy on yourself and go the less obstructed route ? Woodley and Harrison don’t spend much time in coverage. Most of the time they have 5 guys rushing. It’s great when it works and works well in Pitt. It hasn’t in Dallas. Coupled with a secondary that Jerry has chosen not to address , well you get the idea. Jerry’s disdain for drafting safties is puzzling.

Bottom line is this team is a mess. Jerry has just not filled the holes on this team.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 6:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Distain for drafting safeties?

Who all did he pass on for whom? I mean you can’t look at this stuff in the vacuum that you view everything in. Dallas didn’t address the secondary? There’s two first round picks and two players he locked up long term in the secondary. Yeah he didn’t trade up for Patrick Peterson and instead took Tyron Smith. BFD.

by Omar Little on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

LMAO an old cb who was tortured vs the Giants.

Go back and look at how many safties Jerry has drafted with a pick third round or above since Roy Williams. Yayyy he locked up Scandrick. Awesome guy. Did you happen to see the last Dallas Giants game ? Did you notice how great Scandrick played ? LOL
Even better he locked up Sensi. Now that right there is some great gm’ing. You can’t do better than Sensi. What a great job by Jerry.

Geeeeze Louise….so Omar tell me again how we benefit from those two guys being locked up …locking up mediocre players in your mind is acceptable…..I don’t call that addressing the secondary. I call that desperate because we don’t have better options…

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

The issue is whether the 3-4 can work in Dallas.

I think it clearly can based off of what other teams have done.

Also, let’s not forget that the 3-4 was effective for Dallas from 2007-2009.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Well I can't say that we were ever the Steelers

but I don’t know if that is exactly a damning statement.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Creasy we're both trying to get to the same place....

I think it would be easier in a 4-3. You think 3-4. I will say this, whatever the hell they do I wish they would hurry up and make it work.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You're missing the point

Football Mensa wouldn’t be pleased until they win seven rocks in a row whilst going 133-0 and Jerry forces the cheerleaders to be his personal sex slaves.

by Omar Little on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It's basically just a sentence

And dude why are your panties in a bunch? You have to admit that you are an unbelievable pessimist and you whine about everything, even the good moves. To be fair, you whine about everyone, not just Jerry…but still. C’mon man, take a joke.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Pessimist ? Not even slightly.

You bring me cheer Omar with your vehement defense of Jerry. The defense is so blind there isn’t anything to do but laugh. You are a microcosom of the American people wrapped in a fan’s clothing.

Uh so what good moves have I criticized ? I was on board with the Tyron pick. Gladly admitted I was wrong about Lee. So what else ?

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

...

Dez, the Quinn trade, Garrett, and others. You make it seem that just because the move wasn’t perfect that it isn’t good.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The Quinn trade was stupid. Pick Bowe and you aren't wasting picks for Roy.

Dez was a need because we had nothing but Roy. Pick Bowe and Jerry isn’t so desperate for a wr. Dumb move. Look at how many picks Jerry gave up for Spencer. Dumb.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

See...

You are a whiner. You make the Quinn trade all day everyday.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And...

you sit at 8-8 after going 6-10 the previous season. Brilliant !!

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s definitely harder to build for than a normal 43 defense. It can work if you have the right personel and it can work very well. Most of the best defenses in the league happen to be 34 defenses. Getting DLmen that’ll work is a bitch, though.

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not that, it's just that no college teams really use the 3-4

That’s the only reason so no matter what position they play, there will be a scheme transition period involved as a DT isn’t used to his new responsibilities on the line, a DE isn’t used to standing up on the outside and rushing or covering, etc etc.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I said.

It’s harder to build a DL for the 34 than it is the 43. There’s more available DLmen that are ready to play the 43 or more traditional assignments.

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but the elite 4-3 DTs are just about as hard to find as elite 3-4 DEs.

Maybe a little easier, but I wouldn’t say it is by a significant margin.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

If it was so hard to build, why was Houston able to do it in one year?

It takes disciplined scouting and good decision making, sure, but so does every defense.

If the Cowboys had operated last free agency with any sort of sense, and realized that Marcus Spears + Kenyon Coleman =/= Cullen Jenkins, than I am not sure we are even having this system discussion.

Also, this idea that 4-3 defenses are significantly easier to build doesn’t pass the smell test. Why would that be the case? Great undertackles and dominant DEs are almost as hard to find as great DEs and OLBs for the 3-4.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Outside of T.J. Yates and an OT

to my knowledge the Texans went ALL DEFENSE with their off-season. I don’t think they signed a single offensive player in free agency and all but two of their picks were defense in the draft. They did the exact opposite of us pretty much. Hopefully this year we copy what the Texans did last season, and we can probably experience a similar turnaround

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 19, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I pray we follow their example.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The Texans have been using some premium picks on d linemen and lb's

for awhile now. They had a lot of pieces in place. Watt was coup de grace. Dallas doesn’t operate like that. Jerry would rather stack the wr position. I mean the Texans have one great wr and they do ok with it. Dez is a great ptospect. Beastly at times. What good does he do you when the d is allowing 30 points a game ?

Beating a dead horse but the 09 draft is killing this team. Followed up by Dez 2 years later and that’s too many picks alloted for one position. That is Jerry’s m.o.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree the Texans hit on a lot of picks/FA moves last year

but I don’t think there is anything preventing us from doing the same. I know you would say Jerry, but I think he could possibly get it right.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

the reason I dont like the 3-4

its too much gimmickry and tricks
when it doesnt work the results are disastrous

I think its harder to draft for, you have to find the perfect NT, disruptive DE’s who can play the five tech, fast ILB’s and pass rushing OLB’s

I prefer a straight up 4-3. getting pressure with 4 guys and dropping into coverage

The Giants are the exact reason why I prefer a 4-3

dont get me wrong, I think the 3-4 is cool as hell, but when its not working its bad

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Go tell Dick LeBeau it's too gimmicky.

Go tell that to Vic Mangio.

And honestly, I don’t think it is that much harder to draft for if you know what you are looking for. You want disruptive 5-techniques? Target tall defensive tackles or defensive ends with burst. You want a pass rushing OLB? Target guys under 270 who have a good burst. I will concede that 5-techniques are hard to find, but I think OLBs are much easier to find than elite 4-3 DEs. In those cases you usually are looking for guys who are 270 or more and have the burst that you are looking for in your OLBs.

And, anyone can argue for a system if you are using the team that has continually invested in its pass rush with 1st rounders and high draft picks time and time again. If anyone is really interested in the Cowboys becoming like that, all this talk about DeCastro would cease immediately. But alas, that is not the case. Instead we want to have our cake and to eat it too. We don’t want to have to invest in the defense significantly in the draft (hey Rob Ryan, here are some more mid-round picks for you to work with) for a pass rush.

And if you want to know the reason I prefer the 3-4, just go here.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Keep preaching.

I agree with you that it’s crazy to just dismiss the effectiveness of the 3-4 on the basis that Dallas has had mixed results.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I am talking about the effectiveness in Dallas

not the entire league

if we were Pitt, who actually drafts legit 3-4 talent, I would agree
but Dallas has been in this 3-4 for a long time and has gotten nowhere
they have the wrong personnel all over the defense now because they ignored areas in the draft and free agency

how anyone could defend the Dallas Cowboys 3-4 defense is beyond me, maybe once in its entirety has this defense really been any good

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

2007 and 2008 at the least the defense was good.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Leabeau and Mangino and Nolan aren't walking through that door.

Even worse their gm’s are not coming with them either.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Rob Ryan can be on their level. We do have to make the right decisions

but we made good ones leading up to 2007 and 2008.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I really think the one bad decision was the RW trade, really had several terrible effects.

by Omar Little on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

dude you keep bringing up OTHER teams

I am talking about ONE team, the Dallas Cowboys

the 3-4 hasn’t worked in Dallas, straight up

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

You brought up the Giants.

Go read your last comment.

And did you think the 3-4 wasn’t working in 2007, 2008, and 2009?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

it worked in 07 and 09

those are the only two years I would consider this defense at a high level in the past 10 years

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

In 2008 it was pretty good

It had some bad breakdowns (Rams and Ravens) that got it labeled as bad, but overall the defense was pretty good that year considering we got 59 sacks and defended the pass pretty good.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah it hurt, but I don't know if we should have resigned him for what they were asking.

It sure would be nice to have him now though across from Spears.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I loved Canty man

he was the pass rushing DE we needed

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

*well

I can’t believe I made that mistake haha.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Defense would've been fine in 2008 if Roy Williams wasn't hurt

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I am was referring to the 3-4

you can bring up the Steelers and Ravens, but the Cowboys are nowhere close to those types of 3-4’s
heck, the 49ers defense is level ahead of us now

we are light years behind right now and it completely blows

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude...

Get a grip man. The Steelers and the Ravens have the two best defenses in the league, yeah they aren’t the best, so that means they suck, right? Tony Romo’s no where near Brady’s level…I guess that means he’s terrible, right? The 49ers defense is top five too, realistically the five best defenses IMO are Baltimore, Jets, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco’s…yes they’re not an elite defense, so they “completely blow?” Gimmie a break Chia, they were average in almost all total defense categories. You’re acting like they fielded Indy’s or Minnesota’s defense. Geez.

by Omar Little on Jan 19, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

gimme a break

they have been mediocre for what 12 years now?

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Is our 3-4 elite?

No, it’s not. But is it utter crap that we need to blow it up and start from scratch? No. All this team needs is a NT, another pass rusher, and upgrades at DB. This can be achieved through FA and the Draft. Next year this defense will be better than it was in 2012, and it will be even better in 2013.

You have to understand, the modern 4-3 defense was established by the Cowboys under Landry. Parcells changed that when he installed the 3-4. It’s an organizational shift. It takes time to get the defense built up, through trial and error. The 3-4 took time to install in Pittsburgh, starting in the 1990s under Bill Cowher and Dom Capers. Once fully assembled, our 3-4 defense will be clicking, and as a result, we’ll see a defense that’s really tough to beat.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 5:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Not effective 3-4 personnel

Our only effective player(s) would be Ware and Ratliff at getting a pass rush. Also we’d need more to draft 3 more Sean Lee/Bruce Carters for the 3rd starter, and for depth. Sorry I’m not switching the defense. It’s cutting your nose to spite your face.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I mean not effective 4-3 personnel

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 3:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Really Ro ?

Spears 4-3 de. Hatcher 4-3 de. Rat 4-3 dt. Brent 4-3 dt. Lissemore 4-3 de. That was their position in college. It’s what they did best. Now they come to Dallas and have to play differently.
They all played 4-3 in college how do you know it wouldn’t be effective ? How do you know ? Better chance they are, than aren’t. ,

How well has that 3-4 worked for you Ro ?

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 6:36 AM CST up reply actions  

We'd still have the same problems

Ware would be our only legitimate pass rusher. Spears, Hatcher, Lissy, Brent and Coleman would play at DT and they’d still not get the pass rush needed to generate consistent pressure. Spencer even in a 4-3 would still only get 6 sacks at most. He won’t magically become Osi, Tuck, or JPP.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd say our 3-4 will be fine (2010 was the only really bad year)

We just need a big NT, and another OLB who can be pass rusher No.2

I’m more willing to argue whether or not we should blow a first rd pick on your boy Brockers than continue this discussion on keeping the 3-4. You won’t back off your stance and I won’t back off mine.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dallas has won a superbowl or 5 in a 4-3.

Never in a 3-4.

This draft is filled with small pass rush ends. We have that in Ware already…..

Put Brockers next to Rat in a 4-3 and you would get pressure up the middle.

Or put a hoss like Poe next to Rat in a 4-3 and ka-pow the middle of the line is fearsome.

Brockers isn’t the only guy I like.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

They also haven't won a SB since they had a QB from UCLA

I guess that means they have to draft another UCLA QB to win!!!

Idiot.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

How much do the Jerry train, tickets cost ?

Defend , defend I say. Defend the mediocrity that is, the Dallas Cowboys.

Ok carry on with your Quinn type trades and so forth.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said they were good...

I’m saying they’re average, which means that they’ve got some good things in place and need to improve in other areas. I think the DL’s probably the worst part on this team. I think once they replace Newman, his replacement will be worlds better than the Terrence Newman we saw in the last six games and probably closer to the one we saw in the first ten. There’s a difference between “completely blows,” “average,” and “mediocre”

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Chia gets hot headed at times

In a month or so he’ll back off this stance. remember, 5 weeks into the season, he wanted Romo gone, and wanted Joe Flacco or some other JAG QB to “be a bus driver.”

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 AM CST up reply actions  

what in the hell are you talking about

I said if Romo CONTINUES to make reckless mistakes, that we needed to make a decision on him at the end of the season

I never said I wanted Joe f’n Flacco

get outta here with that weak sauce

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude...even then

That’s still overly hot headed and recklessly stupid. Yeah, the Jets game sucked. I was there. He made one mistake when Garrett had him rolling to a hobbled Dez Bryant covered by Darrelle Revis. Stupid play all the way…that one’s on Garrett. The Lions game? Ehh…yeah some bad decisions, bad play calling too…airing it out up 24-3? So what, two games with questionable play calling and poor execution means that the team should get rid of one of the seven or eight best QBs in the game? Please…it’s not like better players just grown on trees.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

We really aren't that far behind.

Add a difference maker on the line, add one at LB, and add one in the secondary, and you could be looking at a very good defense. Now sure, adding three players like that is difficult, but it’s certainly not impossible.

FA should lend us a shot at a Mario Williams, Calais Campbell, Finnegan, Griffin etc. After that, there’s the draft. To me, the biggest thing preventing us from reaching our potential is how we self-scout. At some point we have to look at guys like Spears, Spencer, and Sensabaugh, and realize that they are JAGs.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

JAGs...

You’re acting like that’s a bad thing, and there’s a JAG you can get everywhere. Sensabaugh is an average safety, given the rate that safeties get paid and the lack of good ones out there, I’d say he’s a pretty good player to have on the team. I like that he’ll be here for a while, because I think it allows the team to address other areas of need. Every defense has JAGs and below average players. Not everyone can be Ware in this defense. I think you might be right about Spencer, I happen to think he’s more of a C+ to B- type player than a purely average guy, and Spears is more of a C- player as purely average…but Spears isn’t a starter. He’s only here because he’s cheap, and they mainly play him on rushing downs. So I’d say that’s improving.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, every defense has it's share of JAGs.

I just think we have made some bad decisions in how we value those JAGs.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

JAGs have value, though.

It means that the position is filled and you can concentrate on other areas of the team. If they had a JAG at CB and Center all year they’d be in the playoffs. I don’t think it’s the JAG types that’s killed them on defense it’s the lack of a DL and Newman in the 2nd half and Brooking and Bradie up the middle. Basically there’s not a single DLman on the team other than Rat that’s average. The rest of them all have some pretty nasty warts.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think we tend to overvalue JAGs in the sense of their contracts and the opportunity cost.

Do you realize that we paid more money to Marcus Spears and Kenyon Coleman this year than the Eagles did to Cullen Jenkins, an actual difference maker?

That type of valuation absolutely hurts our potential. I would much rather roll with Jenkins and Geathers, yet our front office thinks that Spears and Coleman offer “stability” or something I guess.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that's pretty bad

There’s some pretty bad coincidences and everyone lauded the Eagles for the Asomugha deal, when Jenkins and Babin were teh key deals. I don’t think they paid Spears more than what he’s worth, nor do I think they paid Coleman more than what he’s worth…however, both of them? You’re right. There can’t be too many JAG types occupying roster spots. I already stated that I don’t think that Spencer or Coleman are even good enough to be JAGs, but I get your point. The team’s made mistakes, every team makes a bad move every offseason. It happens.

I don’t necessarily mind players like Sensabaugh or Scandrick. They’re both perfectly capable players at their positions, and the 3rd CB spot is becoming almost a starter level talent, much like the 3rd WR. Spears…ehhh, they need to upgrade the pass rush somewhere. If they can upgrade the DL? Yeah, keep Spencer…he’d be fine with a good DL. If I were a Madden rater I’d give him an 79-82. If they can’t? Yeah, gotta upgrade the passrush somewhere. The DL, IMO is the biggest problem on the defense. Hell, JAGs on opposite ends of Rat would be an upgrade.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

Kept Coughlin around too long, let the OL deteriorate, the Eli trade is still pretty bad. Rivers was better for most of his career and they also lost out on Merriman and Kaeding. They missed the playoffs in back to back years, so some bad moves had to have been made, right?

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You said every off season . So what bad moves did they make this off season.

LOL Coughlin punked Garrett. Twice. And doubled down when the playoffs were at stake. LMAO. Ya Coughlin was kept around too long.

Your brilliance is, well underwhelming.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Garrett's first win with a back up QB was against...

Please, Coughlin’s one of the worst head coaches in sports. The past two seasons they couldn’t wait to get rid of him. He’s having success now because of the team that Reese built…remember Killdrive? Please.

Oh yeah, bad moves last year:

Remember how much you whined about Bruce Carter? Well they drafted TWO injured players with their first two picks! Marvin Austin and Prince Amukamara.

Suck it.

by Omar Little on Jan 21, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Again you show your ignorance...

which is quite often. Both were injured in camp. They weren’t drafted injured. Again your ignorance runs rampant.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 22, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

man that sucks

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

not with Ryan coming back

if its a disaster in 2012, I guarantee the 3-4 is gone in 2013

I for one love Rob Ryan, lets give him talent first

but this is my last year on this 3-4 stuff, if it fails again I am completely done with it in Dallas

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

They haven't had a good DL in the 34 for a while...

Can we wait until that happens instead of judging it based on the success of it next year?

by Omar Little on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

So were you done with the 4-3 in 2002?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

When Greg Ellis is your best player on d it wouldn't matter what d you played.

Though Zimmer did damn good his last season in Dallas playing the 4-3.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes but Zimmer's turnaround kind of illustrates why we shouldn't ditch the system, right?

I mean if you can improve so greatly in the matter of a season, why switch systems when you already have the coaches and scouts in place for one system?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

And to be clear, I would agree with the statement that perhaps the Cowboys

shouldn’t have been so quick to ditch the 4-3 (although I still prefer the 3-4 personally). However, that switch is a sunk cost at this point. That change should have no bearing going forward, so it’s not an acceptable argument to say that we should back to the 4-3 because we never should have left it.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not saying we should have never left it, but when I look around there are so many 3-4s better than us, we might be in the bottom half of the 3-4 defenses now

I like the 3-4 when it works
but its not working

we clearly have an issue with the right kind of personnel with it

thats my problem, its harder to draft for, 4-3 teams are getting pressure with 4 guys and dropping into coverage

in order for this 3-4 to work again it needs a lot of work

you need better DE’s, a better OLB, a better ILB which hopefully is Bruce Carter, and most 3-4 have playmakers in the secondary

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Which 4-3 defenses are getting pressure with 4 guys effectively?

The Giants? The Eagles? How many others?

You could probably point at the Vikings (although you would really just be pointing at Jared Allen) and Lions. Maybe the Bengals (their sack distribution is the weirdest thing I have seen)?

I just don’t see this 4-3 success that apparently is significantly easier to obtain.

And if you think this defense wouldn’t need a lot of work from a 4-3 alignment, then I don’t know what you are looking at. You would still have only one elite rusher, you need a defensive tackle, another DE since Spencer likely won’t cut it, a WLB in all likelihood, a CB, a S. Plus, you could probably use even more D-line help since you need pass-rushers on every down and can’t even afford to have a Spears or Coleman type playing.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

With the exception of the Vikes....

those are all playoff caliber teams. I look for the Eagles to make the playoffs next year. They had a new dc too. If they get Spags that d could get fearsome. Which teams beat Dallas the worst. Iggles and Gmen. Both run a 4-3. The iggles have the worst lb’s in the nfl still they face stomped Dallas.

Ravens run a 4-3 hybrid now. Gmen run a 4-3.

Pats > 3-4 9’ers > 3-4. We will see which d steps up.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 19, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Pats don't run a true 3-4 anymore.

Both them and Baltimore run more hybrid systems.

And yeah, the Giants and the Eagles are good. No doubt. But compare their success to that of Pittsburgh, 49ers, Houston, and the Jets.

I don’t think one system is significantly better than the other.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

The 3-4 is an easy Defense to draft for

A) Your pass rushers come from OLB, ideally you want strong guys with long arms who are between 6’2-6’5", weigh around 260, and run a 40 time less than or equal to 4.7

B) Your Defensive Ends weigh the same as DT in the 4-3, around 280/290. However, you’re looking for guys whose primary responsibility is to help collapse the pocket, get an inside pass rush, and stuff the run. Justin Smith, and JJ Watt are the ideal 3-4 DEs.

3) Your DT, hast to way between 330 and 350. His primary job is to occupy blockers, collpase the pocket up the middle, pick up the cheap sacks which come his way, and stuff the inside running game of the offense.

4) Your ILBs need to be athletic, fast, and instinctual. Their primary jobs, assist in stuffing the run, by filling the gaps created by the defensive line, and covering RBs and TEs when the offense throws the ball, seldomly will you seem the rush the QB, only on a zone blitz.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I give up

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You of all people who should know that.

It’s on the person (or people) who have been in charge of our drafts.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If you read below

We’ve been at the 3-4 for half a decade

Pittsburgh started running a 3-4 in the 1990s, they’ve been at this longer than we have. I think Jerry’s sticking with this for the long term, as the 3-4 suits his star defensive player.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 3:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I mean see above

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 8:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

They have DeMarcus Ware.

Perhaps the best defender of his generation, they already have the hardest piece to find and the most valuable piece of the defense. They need to make improvements for it to work, but I don’t think the team feels otherwise. I’m pretty sure of Dontari Poe fell to the second they’d move up to grab him. Same thing with if Dennard fell to the late first. Spencer’d be a better 43 end than 34 SLB, so that means that they have the personel for the 43? Ehhh…I think it’s just people over thinking things.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I guarantee the 3-4 will last

Through the time DeMarcus Ware is here and the definitely through the time Garrett is in Dallas.

This team will not scrap its defense and start from scratch.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

But they don't start from scratch

You make it sound they will need a whole new roster.

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
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by Final Frame on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't have the ends or DTs that can generate a pass rush in the 4-3

We’d still have the problem of only having Ware who would be our pass rusher

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 3:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

It’s not like this team has Suh and Warren Sapp circa 1999-2001 on this team. Their players are Josh Brent, Kenyon Coleman, Sean Lissemore, and Marcus Spears. How may of those guys scream “Elite 43 DT?” Hatcher is a depth player at best, Brent is an okay passrusher but terrible at everything else, Kenyon Coleman is Kenyon Coleman, and Marcus Spears is only useful against the run. Sean Lissemore might be something, but that’s it. Not a legit starter in that group.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Rat is a pass rusher up the middle. That's what he does right now.

You’re gonna have to draft an olb to russ the passer which means you will be projecting a de to make the switch to olb. Just draft a real de or a real dt to pair with Rat. This ain’t hard.

Hatcher would be better not getting doubled every down. Spears would be the run anchor from the strong side.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

So let me get this straight

It’s ok for you to raise the Giants as an example of why we need to run the 4-3 but we can’t use examples of why the 3-4 is a defense we should stick with?

If we had a NT and a second pass rusher at OLB, our 3-4 will be fine. Get a grip.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If they had a NT, Rat, and like Justin Smith they'd be fine.

Even with Spencer, they’d probably have a top eight defense if that were the case. Switching to the 43 is just this wrongheaded reactionary line of thought based on a series of logical fallacies.

On the one hand we have guys saying: “They won all their Super Bowls with a 43 defense, HEEEEEY THEY NEED THE 43 TO GET ANOTHER LOMBARDI, SWITCH TO IT AND BOOK HOTELS IN NY BABY!!!!!!”

On the other we have slightly more reasoned takes “Spencer is the worst person ever and I wish his mother had an abortion. The 34 hasn’t worked since 2009, it’s sucked lately (though statistically average this year) despite only having two players that can create a pass rush, a weak DL, and a secondary that I loathe…the 34 won’t work in Dallas”

Then we have those saying “WE HAVE THE 43 PERSONEL!!!!! Just when they play the 34 they turn into JAGs.”

Fact of the matter is all the top defenses, besides the Bears, run a 34. You need to find good DLmen to make it work, and you need an elite edge rusher or a great secondary. The RW trade and the lack of development from players like Spears, Hatcher, Brent, and Lissemore (as of late) hurt them quite a bit too. Losing Canty didn’t help either, but lets not pretend like they have guys that would make it rain in the 43.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

See this is why you're dumb.

2010 was the only year recently where the defense was bad, the defense was average to above average every year before that until 2004 and average this year. Please, they didn’t win a Super Bowl so that means the defense didn’t work!!! I guess the Eagles never had a defense that worked and neither did the Jets, or the Ravens since 2000. Please. It hasn’t been elite, but they’ve had some solid defenses for quite sometime.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO. You are entertaining like a Capuchin peeling peanuts. You try. You boast.

And like Jerry you fail. Mediocrity is acceptable to you. Mediocrity is a bi product of mediocre people implementing a mediocre plan and getting mediocre results. You would do well in Jerry world.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

you know Mensa

Most off the time I just shake my head and move along…but this time, Tell me how is stating Facts “accepting mediocrity”

Fact: since the year 2000 only one team running a 4-3 Defense has beaten a Team running a 3-4 defense

Giants vs Patriots….in that Time Frame(2000-present) a 3-4 Defense has won the Superbowl a total of 7 times out a possible 8 times(the other 4 times a 4-3 team played another 4-3 team…..

so Who is “accepting Mediocrity” if Winning a Super bowl is the plan it looks like the best Defense to do that would be a 3-4……

just saying is all…..

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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I hate about most of these dumb fans.

“YOU NEED A GOOD SAFETY!!!!!”

Well…lots of teams that win Super Bowls happen to have good safeties. Or at the very least a Safety that had a good year, not exactly a requirement. Now you’re seeing the inverse of that. The Cowboys are doing something that a lot of SB winning teams do, they’re just having a little bit of trouble fully implementing it. Where’s the idiots? DITCH IT!!!!!!!! They’re in favor of an old defense whose time has passed.

Aside from a capable QB and a lot of luck, I don’t necessarily think you need one thing or another to win a SB. I think there’s lots of things that help, but I don’t see any of them as necessary. If you want to go by trends, clearly the 43 is trending downwards. There’s ways that it can work, in some scenarios and it can work in some bursts. If you’re saying something like “the new trend is to shift to the 34/43 hybrid,” that’s worth considering. I have no problems with forward thinking fans, sometimes you’re wrong, but the Wright brothers got the plane wrong a few times too. Ultimately, teams that aren’t on the bleeding edge very rarely get rewarded. Is what I do hate is shifting to whatever the flavor de jour is.

by Omar Little on Jan 21, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Or at least did so more than just 3rd down

I have seen lots of teams run a 3-4 on third down but that is the only time. I just hate that there is such a large void between college football and NFL. Changes in the rules (I hate the college rule of being down without contact, absolutely stupid, why not let him get up and go for it) as well as the whole difference in the offenses that are run, all of that stupid stuff.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

You know i could see getting Crick in the 2nd because of his injury this year

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by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

very possible

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

does anyone know anything about doing a podcast?

I really want to start doing one, but idk where to start

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

you could try blogtalkradio.com or podbean.com

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

blogtalkradio is like 30 bucks a month

the free version only allows you 30 minutes

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If you set up a pay pal donate I am sure people will be down.

I know 30 people on this site would love a weekly hour run down form chia at the cost of a dollar. probably run a profit

by Proxy406 on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Terrell Suggs if you recall

was the NCAA sack single season record holder, but still fell to the 20s where the Ravens drafted him. I saw him as under rated and under valued, which is something Nick Perry will not be experiencing.

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by AustonianAggie on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

I said he reminds me of Suggs, meaning physically and the way he plays

I didnt say he WAS Suggs, its just a comparison

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

upshaw v. hightower

personally, i thought upshaw was considerably better than hightower when i watched alabama games – particularly in the BCS championship. was i the only one who thought so? hightower looked slower and not nearly as disruptive….

…could be just me.

by archangel on Jan 17, 2012 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

i saw the opposite

i thought hightower looked good, but I was not overly impressed with upshaw.

upshaw looked good sideline to sideline, but he showed me absolutely nothing in rushing the passer. he had one sack when nobody blocked him.

maybe i wasn’t fair with upshaw because i expected so much, but I was disappointed.

by Jericho Slim on Jan 17, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well done...

informative as always…especially for those of us that don’t really watch college games until the bowls start…rec’d…

by biggdavo on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

thanks

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Just saw on PFF that Dre Kirkpatrick was arrested for marijuana. Here’s to hoping for a 2nd round grade now.

by UnitedStateOfTX on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

I honestly dont see him dropping that far at all

I highly doubt he falls out of the top 15-20

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It was wishful thinking. I think in this day and age people are willing to ignore a single incident. Especially if the level of talent exceeds the chances of further offenses. I sure wish he’d fall into our laps though.

by UnitedStateOfTX on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think his skill set will keep him in the first round

dont get me wrong, what an incredibly stupid act he committed right before the draft process

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Jenkins myself at 14

problem is, I have only seen one other person on here say the same thing

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Talent wise there is not much to dislike. I just wonder about his mental makeup.

The draft process will answer a lot of questions about him.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

for sure

skill set is off the charts

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Thoughts on Richardson?

Everything I see about him suggests that he might be that rare RB that’s worth a top 15 pick. An LT or AP type back might be in his future. I think he’s part of the reason that DeCastro falls to the Cowboys, but I’m having a hard time seeing a team that’ll draft him that picks in the top 13.

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

i could see him to maybe the Phins or maybe the Browns or the Skins

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by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't draft Trent in the first round....Believe it or not he was not the bellcow that most thought

he was. He shared with Ingram and then Lacy this year. The Browns would be the only team imo that might draft him. However I would not be surpised to see them make a trade for RG3.

DeCastro or Brockers. Those are the 2 that I want with the 14th pick. I would not be surprised to see Brockers go a head of DeCastro.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 17, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

thats why I like him even more

fresher legs

Montee Ball was dumb as hell for going back to school, look at his carry totals

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you on Ball. That is the definition of a moronic move.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 17, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

insane man, just dumb

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Lots of dumb decisions in the draft coming out class...

Landry and Ball stayed. I can see Barkley staying, but Landry and Ball? Just plain stupid.

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes I think people put too much value into being the #1 pick

Or just being a high pick in the draft. Yeah you make more money now, but especially in this new cap era and CBA, you get your money after you prove yourself, so how about you come in and just play for it. If you’re projected for the first round, why would you not come out for the NFL. If you are a second rounder, you have to wonder if you will really benefit by another year, but you will probably come in and start in the NFL soon if not that year.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Still..

Time value of money and principles of risk aversion. If you’re going to be a first, take the money. Or at the very least get an insurance policy on your draft status. QBs I can understand to some degree…but a RB like ball? Running backs have short livespans are inherently injury prone. You only have x amount of carries in your legs, and Ball’s giving up a first round pick and sacrificing about 300 carries just to go back to college. Not a smart thing to do.

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what I am saying

Players like Landry know that with Luck and RGIII in this years draft, they are pushed down to somewhere in the middle of the first round or not even there at all. However, next year, he could be battling Matt Barkley for the status of best QB in the draft. That kind of thinking just makes me mad and I have heard on occasions that is exactly the case.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Even at Landry's highest value

He was only a top ten pick because of a QB run…even if Landry is the 2nd QB drafted next year he’s still probably not going to top what he’d do this year.

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Landry can now be the 2nd QB drafted so I get his decision

Barkley was smart going back, #1 pick now

but Ball, incredibly stupid, I guess thats what happens when you are Alan Ball’s cousin

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea but someone will step up. There will be someone who is barely on the radar currently who comes out of nowhere.

See RG3. he was a lower tiered prospect. Now look. I think the qb from Iowa next year will be the qb that flys up the pecking order.. Tyler Bray has more talent than Barkley. A guy like Zach Mettenberger may have an off the charts year. It’s risky for qb’s. Look at Leinart. His stock dropped and he will forever be the posterchild.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahaaaaaa... love it lol

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Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
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by IRONRAVEN on Jan 18, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

A banner moment for unity at BtB

Were in perfect agreement here.

I want DeCastro or Bockers in the draft. DeCastro first, Bockers probably second. I’m so in love with David DeCastro that I can’t think of another candidate for the first pick. Bockers is slowly growing on me.

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

brockers doesnt have the time tested background stats yet, mid 2nd round or lower id say....

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by IRONRAVEN on Jan 18, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

The tools are all there and his workload hasn’t been that bad, sure he might not be able to withstand the torture of an NFL season, but hell…lots of guys can’t do that. Sh*t happens, right?

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Really nice board, Chia.

Crick still seems a bit too high.

Wish you were here and comfortably numb.

by pfloyd1 on Jan 17, 2012 5:32 PM CST reply actions  

at 40 and he is high?

really?

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a good spot for him

With his injury and consequent lack of play time this season, high to mid 2nd round is a good grade for him. I liked what I saw from him when I watched him, and that was with a torn pectoral…

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

thats what I thought

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno...

I’ve seen “a poor man’s Spears” comparisons. While I liked Marcus Spears’ tenure here just fine, I think fans will be disappointed with that. I’ve seen late second early third grades on him.

by Omar Little on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's how we should do the offseason:

1. Resign: Holland, Robinson, Fiammetta, Holley, Parnell, Geathers.
2. Trade Felix for a 5th round pick.
3. Free Agency: Sign LG Carl Nicks, S Reggie Nelson, CB Richard Marshall.
4. 5 Round Mock Draft:
*Round 1: DT Michael Brockers, LSU.
*Round 2: DE/OLB Jonathan Massaquoi, Troy.
*Round 3: C Michael Brewster, Ohio State.
*Round 4: CB Leonard Johnson, Iowa State.
*Round 5: WR Joe Adams, Arkansas.
*Round 5: ILB Tanner Brock, TCU.

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

little harsh on felix don't ya think ?

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by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

and who replaces Felix?

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

he is a WR though

you cant just get rid of Felix and not replace him

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

look i like Tanner too

but Felix offers us a Sproles like piece
I have been down on Felix too, but I am just not trading him away for peanuts, he cost us a first round pick

I understand where your coming from though, trust me I know

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i honestly think he's expendable at this point

Draft a quick guy like Vick Ballard or Kenjon Barner with that comp pick to fill that role

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Barner went back to school

Ballard is a bigger back

right now I have to keep Felix, trading him for peanuts makes me sick just thinking about it

I am going to let his rookie contract run out before I move on

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that he has a role on this team

But we may have deal him to clear enough cap room to sign Robinson and the 3 FA’s that I named..

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 17, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

whats his cap like 2 mil or so ?

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by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

cant be much

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Felix Jones

7/25/2008: Signed a five-year, $10.525 million contract. The deal contains $7.665 million guaranteed, including a $3.57 million signing bonus. 2011: $1,023,750, 2012: $1.17 million, 2013: Free Agent

2012 cap hit: 1.884 million…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

1.8 is great

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

At that price

he’s worth keeping. Tanner is no shoe-in for replacing him and if you’re already paying 1.8, I wouldn’t spend that kind of money to cut him.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't cut, Trade

I think any team out there would love to have a guy like Jones on their team at $1.8 in a contract year. I bet teams like Green Bay, New England, San Diego, and Jacksonville could find a great use for him.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I see him going probably in the 4th

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

me too

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

David Wilson

If you can get him at a decent spot then I think he provides a perfect replacement. A guy who could step in at starter in a pinch and also brings that “make you miss” as Mike Mayock calls it. He is really good in space, but not only that, he is good at CREATING space for himself, unlike felix.

Wilson is a good shifty runner and would be a good pickup should we trade Felix away.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Wilson will be the 2nd RB taken

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Lamarr Miller will go before Wilson

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 1:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

hmm maybe

depends if a ZBS team takes Miller first
I am a Miami fan and I would take Wilson right now

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Still, I think with Wilson you won't miss having Jones around

He brings pretty much the same dimension if not a little bit better since Felix was never a starter in College.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

That is another nice draft.

We could get another CB with a supplemental pick . But you are being too hard on Felix Jones.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it is already decided that we will cause of the value of Bowen’s contract

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

idk how they work, comp picks

but we didnt get one for Chris Canty, so why would we get one for Bowen, who cost less?

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

yaaaaaaay

cant wait to see who we draft with it

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Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I like

one of the RB/WR/KR/PR hybrids from Florida w/ 4.3 speed. Chris Rainey or the other fellow (who’s name escapes me right now).

Great 5th round pickup.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeffrey Demps?

I think that is who you are referring to.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah I agree we could use that type of speed

Brandon Banks would be a great fit here, look at the job he does for the Skins
we need a guy like that

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

What free agents did we sign that off-season?

because whatever free agents you sign will take a compensatory pick away for a player that was taken from you for equal or lesser value.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Elam.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 17, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Elam and Coleman

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

No, Canty has been on the Giants since 2009

who did we sign in the 2009 off-season? I think that was the Keith Brooking and Gerald Sensabaugh off-season right?

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

yup

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, well...

Sensabaugh was on one year deals then and I don’t think Brooking’s first year was going to be like Canty’s first year on his contract. However, being that Sensabaugh only had a one year deal, it is possible his contract was something like Canty’s first year in his contract, which in that case would negate us getting a compensatory pick for losing Canty.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

We'll still get something for him

Bowen’s Contract was a $4.5 Million cap hit this season while Coleman’s was only a $1.15 Million Hit on our cap this season. Elam also was a $2.5 Million cap hit on us.

It has nothing to do with the position of the free agent lost and the free agent signed. It has to do with the value of the player lost vs. the value of a player signed (weighed in contract for the next season). So, since we didn’t sign a player of equal value (Elam’s 2.5 Vs Bowen’s 4.5 is no where close) we get a compensatory pick for him because we were unable to sign someone of equal value. However, other players that may have left via free agency we don’t get compensatory selections for because we signed players of equal or greater value.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

we also lost Hurd

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 18, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe the signing of laurent robinson negated that one...

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

actually any of the signings we had would have negated that one I think

His contract wasn’t very big so Elam, Coleman or Robinson or even Fiammetta would have negated the compensatory pick we’d have gotten for him.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Robinson was during the season And

was for the vet minimum…either one of those would have disqualified him, so he doesn’t count against Dallas…

as I understand it, the only qualifying Contracts where Hurd, Bowen(leaving) and Elam and Coleman(coming in) as the value of Hurd and Bowen’s Contracts far exceeded the values of Elam and Coleman Dallas should be Eligible for around a 6th rounder…I think…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Elam's contract is more than Hurd's

So Elam should negate Hurd’s compensatory pick for us since he was signed at greater value ($2.5 Million) so that counts as a player being signed of equal or greater value, meaning no compensatory pick for that player leaving.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 19, 2012 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

true

I though Hurd Signed for more….my mistake

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

you only get a comp pick of you lose more qualifying fas than you bring in

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 1:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ain't it decided on where they were drafted ?

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think so

because Bowen wasnt drafted, Canty was

see what I mean?

I have no idea how this works, let me google it lol

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

well here is what I found so far

this says it goes by what free agents you lose to what free agents you bring in, nothing said about how though http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?confirm=true&id=09000d5d81716904&template=with-video-with-comments

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

whatever this means, lol, confusing by what they mean by their definitions
Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe its how much playing time they get or how many games they start

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

but i dunno i give up

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

me too

I have no idea how they do the comp picks
but I would love one for Bowen

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

They acquired Elam and Coleman

The free agents they lost last season were better (or more numerous) than those two.

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

It is done by how much that player that you lost makes in contract with his new team

The highest I believe you can get is a 3rd rounder (which is what the raiders will get for losing Nnamdi). Bowen’s contract I hear qualifies us for a 4th round compensatory selection.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's a post from MTD that clarifies and projects comp picks

link. It projects that we get a 4th round pick for Bowen. Idk if its 100% but it could be a good source.

"People don't really understand the light that I bring and just kind of shine on my teammates."
-Actual DeSean Jackson quote

by CaliCowboysFan92 on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

thank you

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Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

that is a fan post

since Lee Ford I take them with a grain of salt when they talk about money and picks, but it makes sense tho

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

I still think Lee Ford is hilarious. But I don’t think this post is just a bunch of BS. He did this last year and he hit on most of the comp picks. Another 4th rounder would be great, we could pick up a decent G with that.

"People don't really understand the light that I bring and just kind of shine on my teammates."
-Actual DeSean Jackson quote

by CaliCowboysFan92 on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

well that is good news

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Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Compensatory, not supplemental

I always get confused when you guys start talking about supplemental draft picks because that is the one where you forfeit a pick next year to pick a guy up before training camp who entered that draft late. And by estimations we should be getting a 4th rounder for losing Bowen. So the Redskins overpaying one of our players actually panned out for us, just like when the Giants pried Canty from us, although that was not quite so overpaid…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to say I like this draft overall.

You address every need with players who at least intrigue me (I need more info on Brockers and Massaquoi). I would be down as of now.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Wes Bunting and Chia

simply the best sources for draft

before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

by orli on Jan 17, 2012 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

lol thanks

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by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot Mike Mayock too

He doesn’t even change his grades based on the Combine at all. Only thing the combine does is make him go back and check the tape, and this guy watches a TON of tape on people. I can’t name too many players he has been wrong about. Although if he has been, everyone has.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

almost forgot on Mayock

exactly, Mayock, Bunting and Chia….

btw, Mayock is on of the few guys I respect from nfl.com

before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

by orli on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 AM CST up reply actions  

thats my list

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Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Bucky Brooks is ok

But I wouldn’t necessarily include him in a list of people I look to for solid info. He was a former NFL Scout and player so that gives him some credibility, but not enough for me to actually give any of his stuff real substance to me.

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Mayock

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Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I suppose this will change now

as DreKirk was just arrested for mary jay possession? If he falls (which he will), that hurts Dallas’ chances of getting DeCastro as he moves up by default.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 PM CST reply actions  

I would not mind if Kirkpatrick fell to us

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

me either

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You seem to be overlooking the incident

DreKirk should now be a 2nd round pick (due to his bad decision making). I know we all salivate over his talent, but to get arrested AFTER winning the BCS Title game and before the draft is incredibly stupid (it’s not like he did it his freshman year).

DeCastro is now more of the obvious pick than Kirk.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get your hopes up about him falling to the second

Janoris Jenkins has a long history of this and is STILL projected as a second rounder. I know Jenkins has supposedly rehabbed his image a little bit, but he’s not going to make big news and headlines for anything from Northern Alabama like he was at Florida. Unless some freakish incident happens, Dre will be gone by the second round, I’m sure of it, even with off the field issues. He is too talented to drop that far.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think others presume

Kirk will now fall to 14. I think he will fall there and further. I’m suggesting NOT taking him at 14.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

But we could trade down in the first and maybe still get him

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

True - I like that better

than picking him up at 14. But it depends on WHO is available at 14 to determine if trading down is wise…

If the Boys are on the clock and DeCastro, Upshaw, Kalil, Luck, Griffin III, Richardson, Claiborne, Reiff, Blackmon and Still are all gone, then I say trade down to mid 20s and pick up an additional 2nd or 3rd. Dre Kirk is not, i repeat NOT worthy of the 14th overall pick.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

With that 2nd or third we could get Chandler Jones.

So you get for next season

1 ) DreKirk CB
2A) Jenkins CB
2B) Chandler Jones LB

Sign Jason Jones DE as a F/A

That is not a bad off season

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, it's just pot.

And DeCastro was always the better pick.

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL - "just" pot

I like that (I guess that tells us your political stance on legalizing marajuana…)

But actually, it’s way more than that. The pot isn’t really what bugs me. It’s that he got CAUGHT after winning the BCS Championship and before the draft. You would think that most 1st round graded picks would be paranoid about doing anything until April. I’ve even heard of some who stop drinking or going out past midnight. It’s not like he can’t tell his boys “Naw, man, I can’t hang out w/ you’ll tonight. Gotta keep my draft stock hi – ya feel me?” All his boys would (or at least should) understand.

But no, this guy gets caught. That show blatant poor decision making, poor judgement and lack of listening to authority (as I’m sure everyone and their brother told him that he needs to lay low until the draft). Guys like that don’t deserve 1st round selection based on principle alone.

But I’m sure there are knucklehead teams that will still want him in the 1st…

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 19, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude did you watch the interview of him that I posted?

He’s not a very bright guy, he’s a massive dumbass, but lets not act like he was Sam Hurding things up here. Who amongst us hasn’t ever smoked pot? He’s also what, 21? I think you guys are making too big of an issue out of this. It’s not like he was ever a rhodes scholar or anything, he’s an idiot from the middle of nowhere, yeah he’ll dumb things in his early 20s. Big deal. It’s not a DUI, it’s not anything hard, he didn’t beat his old lady, and he’s not friends with Deion Sanders. Most importantly, nor is he Janoris Jenkins in terms of his problems. He managed to stay on campus until now, yes I know it’s only Alabama, and he did something that probably half the campus does and got caught…so what? I always wanted DeCastro, but you guys are acting like Kirkpatrick is not even worth a first round pick now. Chris Canty got in a fight that almost cost him his vision, he’s doing fine. Plenty of athletes like to party and they manage to do okay on the field. I’m not going to penalize a 21 year old for acting like a 21 year old. Besides, stop pretending like he won’t have handlers if the Cowboys draft him.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I fell ya actually

but doesn’t pot make you paranoid? maybe he should do MORE so that he won’t get caught 4 months before the draft.

I gotta be real. If I’m a top notch CB playing for the best college team in the nation, my team just won the BCS Championship and I’m projected to be drafted in the top 15 overall in April, I may be stupid but there’s no way in hell I’ll be caught breaking the law. I might not even speed in my car or park in a no parking zone.

No one ELSE got caught from the school did they?

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Good job Chia

I hope you have good luck getting a podcast thingy going. That would be awesome. Where do you see Lithcicum (spl?) TE MI. St. going in the draft?

by letsgtld on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

thanks

cant say I have heard of Lithcicum, wanna fill me in?

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

chia, who do you use as a fantasy qb, wr, def this week ?

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM CST reply actions  

not much of a choice

Brady or Elite
Rice or Jacobs
Nicks or Welker
Giants or Niners

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

kk thanks , i was torn especially at qb

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

gotta go with Brady or Elite man

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Sleeper WR and RB

RB: Kendall Hunter averaged 6.7 yards per carry (6 carries 40 yards, long of 17, 1td) against the Giants in the first meeting after Frank Gore got injured.

WR: Victor Cruz had 6 catches for 84 yards compared to Nicks’ 2 for 41 and 1 TD.

WR: Mario Manningham had 6 for 77 and 1 TD. In the last meeting.

The 49ers will put Carlos Rodgers on Nicks, Rodgers plays the #1 receiver on most plays, and usually follows them around.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 1:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Holy crap Chia

If I didn’t have an exam coming up, and if the Giants weren’t still in it…I’d have so much fun debating/opining with you!

Excellent work.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

That is a borderline humblebrag right there haha.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

haha didn't mean it like that.

I have my own opinions on players, and my board varies deeply….and Chia’s opinion on these things is one I deeply respect.

Got a lot to say with all of this stuff, but alas I’m focused on the game/work

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

no doubt

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I just meant the way you had to mention that the Giants are still in it hahaha.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Class has been in session, at the longest six days...

What the hell do you have an exam on? Or are you on the trimester schedule?

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

medschool

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh

Well good to know I’ll be putting a Giants fan out of practice in a few years ;)

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Law school

Lock up your licenses and hide the children!

by Omar Little on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

damn you, sir! I’ll cut off the wrong hand if I want to!

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

What state will you practice in?

I just finished law school in Ca a year ago.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

what I tell you son

Giants>Packers
I am a profit

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

you are indeed.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

told you kid

the Giants are just on another level right now
I can’t hate on that, but it does make me sick

you are winning the Super Bowl, congrats

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

don't jinx it!

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

its gonna happen, trust me

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Jake Bequette, Arkansas 6'5" 271 lbs

Bequette was a first team All-SEC; 28 tackles, including 10.5 tackles for loss, 10 sacks, five forced fumbles, five quarterback hurries and one pass breakup.
He led the SEC and was tied for third in the NCAA with an average of one sack per game. He also led the SEC and was tied for fourth in the NCAA with an average of 0.5 forced fumbles per game.
Will be in the Senior Bowl on Jan.28th

Do you see him being drafted this year Chia and where. He was a beast for the Razorbacks this year and was a fifth year redshirt senior.

WOOOOOOOOOO PIG SOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

RAZORBACKS

by thehogster65 on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

I had him in one of my Keeping up with the Collegiates posts

Could be a good pickup for a 3-4 DE. If he has a quick first step though and good in space though he might be a good OLB prospect, but that we will probably see at the combine.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:32 AM CST up reply actions  

oh he will definitely get drafted

right now I would say 4th or 5th rounder but could slide into the 3rd because of the lack of five techs in the draft

I think he is a perfect fit for the 3-4 as a DE

very impressive kid for sure

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Chia if Bequette plays on Dallas you will forever hate your life.

I am telling you, you would hitch hike to Valley Ranch and have words with Jerry. Beq is soft. He is a finesse player. He is a role player in the on a 4-3 team.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

in the

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

wow man

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Great job Chia

lots of great players this draft, the cowboys FO have to be smart so we can take advantage of the draft and free agency so we can back in the playoffs. Question tho, why do you rank Ingram ahead of Upshaw?

"People don't really understand the light that I bring and just kind of shine on my teammates."
-Actual DeSean Jackson quote

by CaliCowboysFan92 on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

I rank Ingram higher

because I love him
reminds me of Justin Tuck
he is a beast, a better pass rusher, more athletic and more versatile

I am very high on Ingram, higher than most

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I will say this

I am against trade downs in all cases, but I will at least accept it if you are stockpiling picks for next year at the same time. The reason for that is that next years picks have less value than this years. i.e. next years 1st rounder is like a second rounder this year. So you can actually trade up by trading down. In that case, and only that case, I am slightly for it, if that is what you try to do. That is why Belichick always has 2 first rounders (even though every year he only uses one of them). And I guess he will continue with that until he gets either a high draft slot with the extra acquired selection in the draft, or sees two players he really likes.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:05 AM CST reply actions  

a couple things

1) Trading down should only be done if none of the guys you’ve targeted are there, then by all means trade down. There’s no guarantee you’ll get the guy you want if you trade down.

2) I seriously want to know why almost everyone is so hands down settled on Michael Brockers AT PICK # 14! This can’t purely be off of some hyperbole espoused by one the CBS announcers during the SEC Title game. NFL Scouts told this kid he’s not a lock to be a first round pick, and his coach said he should’ve come back to improve his draft stock. Despite all that, he comes out. It smells to me of a kid who just wants money for his family but doesn’t care about his long term success or future. There have got to be better picks than some project DLineman who hasn’t shown enough in College to come in and start right away. He’s a freaking sophmore. NFL Olinemen will chew him up. Our firsr round pick has got to be able to come in and play, especially if we’re taking a defensive player or offensive linemen.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Only a sophomore

Right now he is being mocked pretty high and i think the employers of Larry Fitzgerald, Lesean McCoy, Willis McGahee, and Aldon Smith might have something to say about Sophomores in the draft (each of those players entered as sophomores and were projected high).

Every big board or mock that I have seen so far has this guy in the first part of the draft. People are going to go back and watch the tape and then pay close attention at the combine to see if he is legit though. But for right now, on first impressions, guy is a physical freak and will be a great player to pick-up despite being a little raw right now.

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 AM CST up reply actions  

The guys you mentioned

Where 2 RBs, a WR, and OLB.

Those guys had bigtime production. I’ll compare Smith to Brockers since they’re both defensive players.

In Aldon Smith’s case: he started 20 of 22 games (he missed 4 games his sophmore year) and accumulated 108 tackles and 17 sacks-in 2009 he had 60 tackles and 11 sacks in 13 games (11 started), in 2010 he had 48 tackles and 6 sacks in 9 games.

In Brockers’ 2 year career: he’s got 80 combined tackles and 2 sacks-2010 he had 9 solo tackles, 17 assisted, and 0 sacks. In 2011, he had 26 solo tackles, 28 assisted, and 2 sacks.

Aldon Smith was a starter for 20 games. Judging by Brockers’ stats, it looks like he only started one full season.

I think I’d like to see more from Brockers before I pay him first round money.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 2:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

JPP had three years of playing experience

2 years ar Junior College, 1 year at South Florida. This were his stats:

@ College of the Canyons (I’m guessing 2007): 49 tackles, 14 sacks, 19 TFL, 2FF, 1 INT, 1 Fumble Recovery

@ Fort Scott Community College (2008): 70 tackles, 10.5 sacks, 3FF, 2 Fumble Recoveries-was named Juco All-American

@ South Florida (2009): 7 starts in 13 games, 45 tackles, 16 1/2 TFL, 6 1/2 sacks, 3 passes broken up, a pick 6, 2 FF-Pro Football Weekley named him to 1st Team All-America Team; he was also selected to 1st Team All-Big East,

Although he only had one season of NCAA ball under his belt, he had two years of game experience at the Junior College level, where he produced well enough to earn a job at a BCS School. JPP was a junior when he came out.

I honestly believe without having more games under his belt, Brockers could be in over his head. He’s what 20/21 years old, and only has one season’s worth of meaningful snaps? I don’t know.

I’m not questioning his athleticism, I just don’t know if he can come in and contribute right away.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Brockers played in the elite conference in all of college.

He played a lot last season. This was his breakout year because Drake Nevis went pro. Marcel Dareus had a bad jr season and look where he went.

Watt played end in a weak conference and ends get more sacks anyway. They are not the same style of player. Brockers was asked to clog the middle so the LSU de’s could get the sacks.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Brockers will have to play end in the 3-4

I think I remember reading that Brockers isn’t a natuarlly gifted pass rusher either.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I watched quite a few LSU games

I barely noticed him. The first time I heard an announcer rave about him, that one guy on CBS during the SEC Title game spoke in hyperbole about how he’s better than Albert Haynesworth right now. Great, it doesn’t take much to be better than Haynesworth right now. He had a decent game in that game and the BCS Title game, but it wasn’t enough to say YES HE’S THE GUY DALLAS NEEDS TO TAKE! I’d rather go anoter season with Spears, Hatcher, Coleman, and Lissy at DE than take a first round pick gamble on DT whose raw and needs to switch to DE in the 3-4. I’d rather draft Jared Crick at DE if he’s healthy.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 6:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Note: I'd rather take Crick in the 2nd or 3rd round if he's healthy and has a great combine

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I watch every LSU game. I haven't missed one in 6 years.

Brockers is eons better than Crick. Brockers isn’t as raw as you think. He did play last season. He was a stud this season. Watch him jet up the boards .

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

he looks like he is a project

but I dont think he is that far behind

I call these players, “Piece of clay” types
you mold them and shape them the way your team wants

I like Brockers a lot man

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to see Rob Ryan

Mold Butler, Lissemore, and Brent before I throw a blind dart at a piece clay first round pick in the draft, it’s nothing against Brockers, it’s more to do with the fact we need to mold the project guys we’ve already taken chances on.

Like I said, if we go DL in first round, I want a guy who will enable Ratliff (our best piece of clay pick on defense) to his more natural DE. I want the next potential Haloti Ngata, Dontari Poe. Man, we need a big mofo taking up space to take our 3-4 to where it needs to go. We need a guy who can collapse the pocket and allow blitzers and ends to do their jobs witj more frequency.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah i dont think he snaga first round pick up.. prob 2 or 3rd round.......

no one with brains is gonna grab him in 1st round

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 18, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Furthermore I don't by the comparisons to JJ Watt

Someone, amongst the commenters on BTB, mentioned Brockers is this year’s JJ Watt. I really don’t think this is fair comparison.

1) Watt is 6’6" 288 while Brockers is 6’6" 306

2) Watt played defensive end in college, and in the pros. While Brockers played DT at LSU, and projects to a 3-4 End, bit hasn’t played the position.

3) Watt’s college numbers: He played 2 seasons at Wisconsin (Junior and Senior yrs) and put up career numbers of 106 tackles, 36.5 tackles for loss, 11.5 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles.

4) In Brockers’ 1 meaningful season (2011) he put up 56 combined tackles, 10 for loss, 2 sacks.

If you ask me, taking him is a big gamble.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It was me

I compared him to being this years J.J. Watt. Although I never said he was J.J. Watt, but this year’s. To clarify what I mean, he is the best 3-4 DE in this years class and also just a physical freak of nature just like J.J. Watt was in last years draft. We will see how he stacks up in measurables in the combine but he is looking like he could impress.

Also a correction to you, those were his Junior and Senior years academically, not athletically. He came from Michigan St. where he played Tight End and switched to Defensive Line at Wisconsin after his redshirt season (he was primarily a defensive end but he played DT on plays too). As a redshirt sophomore he was raw too and had only 4.5 sacks that season and he played defensive end which naturally will get more sacks than a DT (Brockers). I think they are very comparable now before the combine, but after the combine we will see how they stack up athletically…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

We need a NT Brockers ISN'T a NT

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Right now the guys who I really like as the 1st Rd Pick
  1. David DeCastro: The opportunity to get the best G in this draft can’t go understated.
  1. Melvin Ingram: I can’t deny when Chia and Creasy say he oozes talent when you watch him, even if I’d like to have seen a tad more sacks from him. He’s an athletic freak.
  1. Mark Barron: Despite what Bunting says about him, I like what I saw from him. The guy’s smart, instinctive, and is a ball hawk.
  1. Janoris Jenkins: I may say you can’t fix stupid. However, he’s had a full year away from his troubles. I’m also a huge fan of Asante Samuel type DBs, and there’s no denying this guy is that type of DB.
  1. Dontari Poe: If we’re drafting for the trenches on defense, this guy is built like a young Haloti Ngata. A really good 3-4 defense needs a space eater to collapse the pocket. The Ravens have Ngata, the Chargers had Jamaal Williams. We need a guy like this.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 5:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

that is a very good list

mine is

1-Melvin Ingram
2-David DeCastro
3-Dre Kirkpatrick
4-Mark Barron
5-Janoris Jenkins

that is my list right now

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I would add Perry to mine as well.

Did you see Charles Davis’ mock draft on NFL.com? He had Ingram to the Cardinals at 13, He had us taking Alfonzo Denard at 14, the Jets taking Perry at 16, the Bengals taking Jenkins at 17, DeCastro to the Bears at 19, Barron to the Ravens at 30, and Poe to the Pats at 32.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I look at the mock to see who they have us picking

If it is Dennard, I don’t pay attention to that mock. Why? Because I saw Dennard play and I know what he brings and doesn’t bring and it’s NOT what the cowboys need or want. So with that I automatically discard that mock from my memory. I will be extremely surprised if they even speak to Dennard or invite him to Valley Ranch at all, unless it is just for smoke screens, then I can understand. However, that would just be stupid to invite a guy for smoke screen purposes…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 18, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dennard might be this year's Bruce Cambpell

I ignored every mock that had us taking B.C. i. the 1st round of 2010 draft.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah I saw that

I really dont take mocks too seriously right now though

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I like your list too

The only reason I leave Kirkpatrick off, I still see him going in the top 10. I’ll be shocked if the weed makes him fall into the 11-20 range.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Barron at 14?

I’d get pissed if we draft him at 14, maybe if we trade down to late first then yeah.

"People don't really understand the light that I bring and just kind of shine on my teammates."
-Actual DeSean Jackson quote

by CaliCowboysFan92 on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Mark Barron, according to...

1) ESPN Scouts Inc, as of last week he was #14 on their big board.

2) The National Football Post has him listed as #15.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

NFP has him rated as 7.0

along with 10 other players. I think we’ll have better prospects than him on board, like Konz, Brockers, and Kirkpatrick.

"People don't really understand the light that I bring and just kind of shine on my teammates."
-Actual DeSean Jackson quote

by CaliCowboysFan92 on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

a lot of players have a 7.0 on there

its a weak draft class

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I would list our needs

In order of most important, to least
1a) DB: Corner or Safety
1b) OL: Guard or Center
1c) DL: Specifically at Tackle
1d) Pass Rusher: either from ILB or OLB
2) Punter
3) Tigh End
4) Kick/Punt Returner with actually ability to break a big play
5) Defensive End: we have Ratliff, Spears, Coleman, Brent, Lissy who can all play there.
6) QB: a guy to develop and challenge McGee for permanent number 2 status.
7) WR&RB: can never have enough depth there.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That will change

Whenever we get started with free agency. I’d like to see if we could draft a center. Would be nice to have a really young line with the exception of Kosier.

The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT

If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.

by Final Frame on Jan 18, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The ultimate conundrum. You can't fix stupid and you can't teach talent.

Perry will rise above Ingram come combine time. More teams looking for 3-4 olb’s I don’t think either make it beyond 25.

Well Ro good luck on getting a real nt. Jerry won’t draft one though we need one in a bad bad way.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree Perry will raise above Ingram

I’d like to have either one if we went pass rusher in the first round.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

idk man

Ingram is going to have a great combine performance too

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 18, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, I wish we had extra first rd picks

If this was Madden I could score us:
1) DeCastro
2) Ingram
3) Barron
4) Poe
5) Jenkins

You’d be surprised how easy it is to sucker the computer to give up 1st rd picks for overrated Cowboys players.

The only key guy I had to sacrifice was Witten but he became 3 beast TEs: Jimmy Graham, Ed Dickson, and Delanie Walker.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 18, 2012 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Comical

Every year I could ad like 3 or 4 first round picks for the next year by trading down.

Trade down from the first pick and ask for a 1st rounder along with their first and they’ll give it to you every time and maybe this year’s second too. Then just keep doing that and you can keep getting more picks. Got the first pick in the draft by bamboozling the Cardinals out of it that way. Then you can just use the second rounders that you get in addition to next years first and just trade them outright for a 1st round pick next season. Presto! you have like 5 first rounders for the next season and you own the draft, especially with all of the contracts being less now for the rookies. And if there isn’t a player you don’t like, trade that first rounder for a first rounder next year and keep going until you can use them all.

Quite comical they way they set that up for the CPU in madden. That and the difficulty settings for the computer just either make me laugh or furious (harder difficulty means your players drop a lot more passes, fumble more, miss tackles, etc. The difficulty means that the CPU should play better, not you play worse…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude I also found another way to s few the comp teams out of picks.

Hypothetically:
Let’s say you wanted the higher of the two first round draft picks the Browns have this year and a 2013 1st round pick, plus a second round pick in 2012. All you do is trade Tony Romo to them for Colt McCoy and ask for those picks, they’ll accept the deal.

Now the best part. You keep the picks, and get bring Romo back to Dallas, here’s how: Go into the edit player feature, and switch Tony Romo’s position to punter offensive line. Next, propose the offer of Colt McCoy for Tony Romo, and the Browns will accept this. The catch you ask? After switching Romo’s position, his overall rating drops, making Colt McCoy the higher rated player, it’s a glitch in the system. Make sure to switch Romo back to QB.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Should say screw* in the heading

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I am done with madden until they fix these little glitches

And also fix the fact that on higher difficulty the computer still plays the same but your players just start to suck. It’s kind of ridiculous when I go into a game and a WR with a 95+ rating comes out of the game with 8 dropped passes. Dez hasn’t had that many drops in his career yet…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 19, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 19, 2012 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Peter Konz is a great Center and will go in the 2nd half of the First Draft

A guy people should keep an eye on would be Mike Brewster From Ohio State. He would be the starter instantly, and I could see getting him in the 3rd round

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

First Round*

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Brewster is a real good option

I like Ohio State OL

Ben Jones from Georgia, a little smaller, is a nice center prospect too

guard and cornerback are the deepest positions in this draft besides WR, which is good because we need both

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehh...I'd say Center and Guard probably moreso than CB.

Their rushing attack was pretty bad last season. They ranked 18th, but they had that huge day with Murray which is kind of an anamoly last year. Lots of times they got stuffed in the running game. For the first few games of the season they let leads slip away from an average defense in an offensive league and a lack of a running attack to move the ball. Lets not even talk about the hits that Romo’s been taking too. My ideal (realistic draft) would be something like:

1st. David DeCastro
2nd. Bruce Irvin (trade up)
3rd. Michael Brewster
4th. Jamell Fleming
5th. LaMichael James
6th. Marcus Forston
7th. Ryan Broyles.

I’d prefer the team take more risks on injured players in the later rounds…Broyles looks like a pretty good risk to take, and James while we both like him, isn’t as fast as he looks. That other RB at Oregon is much faster, he’s Sproles-like, but not Sproles. Sproles is faster and shiftier than James . Don’t get me wrong, a poor man’s Sproles is still a pretty good back, but I think were going overboard with the LaMichael James love.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Waiting for a DB until round 4 eh

What corner do you want to pick up in FA ?

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Been on pulling the Finnegan bandwagon.

I thin he’ll be cheaper than were expecting for a number of reasons. The market was set at elite top flight CBs with Asomugha’s deal. Turns out that’s way too high of a price for an elite CB. Finnegan’s about 80-85% percent of what Asomugha was in Oakland. Note: Each player’s decline/peak patterns are different. So just because Finnegan was about 80-85% of Asomugha in Oakland doesn’t mean that he’ll collapse at the same rate, nor does it mean that he can’t maintain his talent level for longer. As far as waiting until the 4th..I’d say with those first three picks? Worth it. If they have that draft I’d sh*t rainbows and go to Mensa’s house to laugh at him. Three guys that’d start on next year’s squad at some point, two guys that’d contribute, one lottery ticket, and another injury lottery ticket.

by Omar Little on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Chia, If Vontaze Burfict is there in the 2nd to you take him?

Dudes a mean crazy bastard, just maybe something this defense needs

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

word

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

if I ran a 4-3

I would resign Spencer, he would be awesome

my defense would be
DE-Ware and Spencer
DT-Ratliff and Hatcher, rotating Brent, Spears and Lissemore in
ILB-Burfict
OLB-Lee
OLB-Carter

but we don’t have 4-3 “personnel”, so that wouldnt work I guess

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL Chia.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

man in the 2nd I might

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

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