Alabama CB Kirkpatrick arrested
An arrest report on the Manatee County Sheriff's Office web site says Kirkpatrick was arrested at 12:48 a.m. Tuesday and charged with possessing less than 20 grams of marijuana.
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Sweet, DeCastro and the Cowboys becoming more and more likely.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
actually makes DeCastro less likely . Someone who is looking for a high character player maybe just decide on him now.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
kinda what I was thinking
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Stupid
This is going to hurt his stock badly, may take him off of some boards all together, and being this close to the draft he won’t have time to rehab his image.
I really don't know if it will drop him that far
but he really might come into play at 14 now and thats where it gets interesting
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM CST reply actions
well, have you ever been in the wrong situation at the wrong time?
I think some facts and investigation is in order before we get too excited about him not being a “RKG”
by WestTxHornFan on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I have no issue taking him at 14. He was atop my wish list an hour ago, so..
still is for now.
Just wondering if this pulls him off boards, or if he’ll do a Jenkins and withdraw.
Assuming this is an isolated incident, I'd be all for him.
As far as withdrawing, I think he has until tomorrow if he hasn’t hired an agent.
by WestTxHornFan on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
really?
He was in possession how is that wrong situation at wrong time? Did he accidentally buy it? haha.
Hes a punk and doesn’t want to grow up. Pass. No way we draft him
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
by thebigham on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
At the time I typed that there were not any details.
Now did he make some poor decisions? Yes, but I can think of a lot of things worse than possession of pot.
by WestTxHornFan on Jan 18, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter if their are worse things
In context of the NFL weed is a major offense, you can be suspended for multiple games.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I understand that, but my point for the whole thing was that it deserved some investigation.
If it is an isolated instance with him and Dallas feels like it’s something that won’t be a problem, then take him and be ecstatic that he fell. Several folks in here have made sweeping blanket accusations without him being given a chance for all facts and the law to play out.
by WestTxHornFan on Jan 18, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
I have been in plenty of situations in my life and the cops never had to be called.
The Shore Patrol was called one time when I was 19.
I completely disagree with this whole “he’s just a kid let him live his life” or “it’s just one arrest” or “he’s never actually been arrested” BS. And this applies to Dez too.
It is a pattern of behavior when the cops are called on you multiple times, regardless of if you are arrested or not.
These guys don’t get a pass just because they are your favorite millionaire athlete, or potential favorite millionaire athlete.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 17, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it depends on his work ethic. Michael Irvin was RKG who had trouble with the law
but he showed up early, pushed everyone to work harder, and worked to improve.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
cocaine is a hell of a drug!
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
i thought that stuff about RKG was adressed in previous posts
RKG isn’t related with this kind of stuff but with the way you approach the game
Apparently some folks either digest information a little slowly, or they think they know better than everyone else, including the person that coined the term.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
No need for insults. I know what JG said. I disagree on the definition.
Football is just a game.
IMO, being a RKG is about your life choices.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol people want choir boys on this team
I want football players
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Chia you know I like you a lot, but
When we want to go down this road, you can roll the dice and end up with another Pacman. Or you can stick to the draft philosophy that gives us Sean Lee, Murray, Bailey, Smith along with guys like Austin, Ware, Witten, Romo, Rat and I would put Bryant in there also. I would also point to Carter, Nagy, Arkin, Lissi, Josh Brent and many others.
I would rather hedge my bets than roll the dice. You yourself led the bandwagon last year that Murray was a RKG and would be a star. I will go with the chior boys you pick, not the potential problems.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 17, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said Murray was a RKG and a star
but I think the RKG thing is being beaten to death and misunderstood sometimes
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
I would take chances on big time talents, which this kid is
Warren Sapp was a top 5 pick, failed a drug test and fell to 12
if someone is extremely talented like Kirkpatrick falls to me at 14 and i have a huge hole at CB, I am taking him
it might depend on who is available
if Ingram and DeCastro are gone, I would take kirkpatrick
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
If you are willing to take chances on big time talents, then you are blowing the entire premise of RKG right out of the water.
And should never care about character at all.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
You apparently
have no idea what a RKG is.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
You are the one who doesn't know what Right Kind of Guy means.
Hard working football player does not mean Right Kind of Guy.
Good character means Right Kind of Guy. I am sick and tired of you people giving passes to players because they play for or might play for your favorite team.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Did you even read the post that you replied to below?
Here I will help you out, read this. It is the post which details what a “RKG” is, according to our head coach. Should be an enlightening read for you.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
I said below that I do not agree with JG on the definition of RKG.
IMO, it means more than a good football player with the right size and willing to work on football plays.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Well being that he is the head coach
I will defer to his judgement about what a “RKG” is. Since you disagree with the definition of his coined term, perhaps you should call your version a different moniker so as to avoid future confusion.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to play the cynic
But if you try to field an NFL team made of all Tim Tebows, you’re gonna lose real real quick. Even the championship Spurs had Bruce Bowen.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Don't make a strawman argument and put words in my mouth.
I never said players had to be Tebow squeaky clean.
I have a pretty low bar actually. Don’t get arrested.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Serious question
Can you name one team in the NFL right now with zero players who’ve been arrested?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
No, I can't. But I don't care about the other 31 teams.
They can do whatever they want to.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Irvin was RKG, despite his encounters with the law
bc he was a hard worker who pushed everyone to do better. He badly wanted to win
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Irvin only had one encounter with the law as an active Cowboys player, in 1996.
The rest were after he retired.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
still one too many, yet he was RKG.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
No. I will say Irvin was a WKG.
A very talented, hard working, passionate football player that won 3 SBs with the Cowboys.
But a Wrong Kind of Guy, nonetheless. Why do all you people give players a pass just because they play or played for the Cowboys?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
According to our head coah
A very talented, hard working, passionate football player
You just described a RKG.
I know, I know, you know what a RKG is better than everyone else, including our head coach, and you alone can pass the judgement required to deem them as such…
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with our HC about that definition.
There is more to life than playing football.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
bc it's based on work ethic
Irvin was the first one in the gym and motivated everyone to be better. He wanted to win and was willing to put in the work to make himself and the team better. That is RKG. Goodness, half the 90s Cowboys dynasty wouldn’t be RKG in your book.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
You are correct. They are not.
I am glad that those guys won 3 SBs. But I am not so blind a homer that I cannot admit that they were the wrong kind of people. Being a hard working, good football player does not make you a good, or right kind of person.
I am not a prude. I have done plenty of partying in my life. I do not condemn people for partying. But if the Cowboys have the choice in the draft to pick someone with a clean record or not, I want them to pick the clean record.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Because you have already convicted him?
And will you be the first to eat crowif/when he is not convicted?
The details just further my assessment of wrong place wrong time…
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
You guys love the strawman don't you?
Show me where I ever said convicted. An arrest without a conviction is still not a clean record.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I want football players who don't have the cops called on them multiple times.
How hard is that? Shouldn’t be hard at all.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Please provide a link for "multiple times."
I follow Alabama football WAY closer than anyone else here, and this is the first thing that was even a hint of a problem with Dre.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
I'm not just referring to Dre.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Well, I want smart players...
Someone caught in possession isn’t very smart… And when we talk about someone that was previously thought as a Top 10 pick getting caught in possession it tells me more about stupidity than smarts…
But that’s my opinion…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Jan 17, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And before everyone gets all WKG
Just remember exactly what constitutes a “RKG”, as articulated in this post by occ.
People make mistakes, especially young college people. I don’t see anything in there that precludes him, or J Jenkins for that matter from being drafted, as long as they show responsibility for their mistakes and prove that they are willing to put in the work to be great at their craft.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It’s not about right or wrong. It’s not about Saints and Sinners. Just because a guy can’t pay his bills doesn’t mean he can’t be a Cowboy. Just because a guy had some other issues doesn’t mean he’s lacking the passion, emotion and enthusiasm that is going to make him a key part of this team.
-OCC
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree. Ray Lewis has a lot of emotion and he got away with murder.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Oh I am sorry
You were there? You saw him do it? I am sure you were a big help to the DA… I mean he was never convicted, but come on you just know better than everyone else, and are trusted to pass judgement on others for their mistakes, whether they are actually convicted or not…
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
It's fairly common knowledge that Ray Lewis had something to do with the murder, and likely started the confrontation that lead to murder. He may have even pulled the trigger. Who knows.
He was charged with murder, but the charge was dropped in exchange for a guilty plea to obstruction of justice for making false and/or misleading statements to police, and he had to testify against his co-defendants. He rolled on someone to get out of it.
Convictions have nothing to do with it
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
Really?
Youll get suspended for 4 games if you piss hot. He had to know the draft is coming and he does stupid stuff like this right before it. Not smart, pass.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
by thebigham on Jan 17, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, really.
This isn’t the first kid to make a mistake like this, and it won’t be the last. And this is far from an isolated incident with a singular player. From last years combine:
Based on information obtained from NFL team executives, agents, scouts and trainers, just under one-third of the 327 players who attended this year’s NFL pre-draft scouting camp, or combine, had some incident involving marijuana turn up in interviews or background checks—which NFL teams collect and share before and during the event. This number represents a 30% increase from the season before. The NFL and its players union declined to comment on these totals.
This is just one report regarding players entering the combine, who knows what that number extrapolates to at the pro level. This is a chronic problem amongst all levels of sports. To crucify one kid for making a mistake that some 30 percent (on the low end of estimates, and 70 percent on the high end) of current NFL players engage in is hypocritical at best.
I agree it was a very stupid move, however I do not believe that you completely preclude him from your draft board because of it.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I do.
The old adage works here “if everyone else jumped off a bridge…” When Goodell is handing out 4 game suspensions for it, why risk it? Testing is only going to get stricter.
Its stupid, and childish. I laugh at someone who would rather smoke weed then play a game for millions of dollars. You have to be a grade A idiot.
And with your quote I wonder how many of the 109 players got drafted and how many fell considerably because of it.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
by thebigham on Jan 17, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
People make mistakes, and you are too quick to judge when you do not even have all of the details. Teams will do their due diligence, and if they believe that he simply made a mistake, and has the ability and drive to be successful, he will remain on their boards. His value may drop, which has a lot to do with the threat of a 4 game suspension, but he will still be a high first rounder on most boards.
I no not support nor condone what he did, however he is not the first person or the last to make a mistake. People deserve 2nd chances.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
The details are he was arrested with 20 grams of pot.
The facts are several incidents at Bama with some coming close to light of him being suspended for failing a drug test this season. Those rumors have been out there. Lets talk about his youth record. These are not one time bad choice things.
I could do a whole post on the NCAA drug testing and why these things keep happening year after year and are not caught at the NCAA level.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
20 grams?
Thats less than 3/4 of an once… man that’s horrible. Let’s get the lynching rope and hang ‘em high, that’s unacceptable. He was apparently a high level scumbag dealer trying to corrupt our youth at some party. Get this guy off of the streets.
Why, if he was caught here in Dallas, that would be all of the grand charge of a TICKET, not even an arrest… that’s definitely worth a life sentence at least. I mean, he hasn’t even been found guilty yet, but that doesn’t matter, yall know how we do things here in Texas…
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Well I am glad you are willing to accept a player breaking laws.
It is illegal. Please tell us at what laws you draw the line. Or tell me how much stupidity you are willeng to deal with. Me if I had a choice of making 20 mil staying straight or a rookie league minimum for needing to smoke a joint and have 20 grams on me.
Stupid is as stupid does: Forest Gump
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Speeding is breaking the law
It is illegal too, and in Dallas is worthy of the same level of criminal scrutiny: a ticket.
All those speeders sure are stupid for breaking the law, lets draw the line there and keep them off the team too.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
In life there's law.
In Football they have rules.
Kirkpatrick messed up with both at the wrong time of the year.
Why? Stupidity? As far as I know, stupidity isn’t among the factors that Garrett looks for in a prospect…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Well I am glad you want to base a charcter concern off of a speeding ticket
You should go a long way in the NFL as a GM, Coach or Scout
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Less than 20 grams.
It could be .5 grams. Florida divides the charges between less than and more than 20 grams.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
x
Florida divides the charges between less than and more than2028 grams.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
There is a difference between admitting smoking pot in the past and getting arrested for possession.
Were all of those 30-70% arrested? No. Why did this guy get arrested? What did he do to draw the cops attention? Millions of people smoke pot and don’t get arrested. The idiots are the ones who get arrested. And I don’t want any of them on the Cowboys.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I disagree
Fact is he was in possession of weed = dumb
Fact is he was a top 10 pick and draft is in 4 months + possession of weed = dumba##
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Dumba##, yes
Condemn him for a stupid mistake, no.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
The NFL is a privilege not a right.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
And he will still have the privilege
of being a top draft pick, regardless of your views.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Who will take an idiot as a top draft pick?
You need some smarts in the NFL.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
haha idiots go as top draft picks all of the time.
C’mon man.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
You are the same person who will want to crucify Jones and Garrett on the cross for being so stupid to take a guy like this when screws up in the NFL
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I laugh at laws restricting the use of marijuana.
I no longer engage in using it, but cannot chastise those who choose to, for medicinal or recreational use. I got a lot accomplished while regularly smoking. If not for being tested regularly, I may still smoke. It was harmless, in my opinion. 100x less dangerous than alcohol – something I rarely touch anymore.
The laws are stupid and childish, and a tremendous waste of tax dollars go enforcing them.
That said, I am a little surprised that coaches (from high school on up) don’t relegate someone (another player or assistant) with making sure their star athletes pass these drug tests. I’m not saying it’s right!!! I’m just saying I’m surprised it’s not more common practice given the moral integrity of today’s sports.
Unless they use blood testing (which I doubt due to it’s expense), it is extremely easy to beat. Urinalysis especially. For less than $20 and a couple hours notice, anyone can pee clean.
Look, the fact of the matter is, no one is ever going to be come up with a way to stop people from smoking marijuana. It’s not going to happen.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
So what changed with respect to alcohol? Why rarely now?
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
What? BS!
People make mistakes, especially young college people.
How many times did you get arrested in college? Or have the cops called on you?
Am I really an “old codger” at 46 years old? What is wrong with younger people now days that think it is no big deal when the cops get called, or someone gets arrested?
There are thousands of college players. The Cowboys do not need to draft any of them that have run in’s with the law. You need to change your name, because you are not the Cowboy Way.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
No you aren't old.
I don’t know where some people get off saying this is “kids being kids” Its pathetic I’d hate to grow up where this guy did.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I did not say that it was no big deal
However it is unfortunate that you maintain such a narrow view.
Have you ever been around a college campus? Right or wrong, pot use is rampant.
Do you know the kid personally? Is he a scumbag? A drug dealer?
I do not condone or agree with his pot use, however I leave it to the team to do their due diligence and figure these things out for them selves.
This single event does not, and should not condemn him, and no matter how you or anyone else here feels he will get his chances. And he will be a top pick, perhaps even pick 14.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
The crowd in my college never even thought about drugs.
Somethings in life are just more important to different people.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
That's awesome
and congratulations for sticking to your guns. Unfortunately I wouldn’t count that situation among the majority.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I'm sure BYU is a great school
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 17, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
lol
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
lmao
Plus the thing us “older” people have to deal with is in a lot of towns, DUI and possession fines have gone through the roof thanks to “zero-tolerance” legislation…aka the more times a college student is taken down the more money the system makes.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I STILL believe in Tony Romo.- 10/2/11
I actually think pot should be legalized.
And I did not condemn pot use. I condemned causing a big enough problem that the cops get called. “Kids being kids” and “youthful mistakes” do not involve the cops and arrest reports.
Answer my question. How many times were you arrested in college? Or even had the cops called on you?
And I don’t care where Kirkpatrick gets drafted as long as it is not by Dallas.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Actually your bring up an interesting point
and to answer your question:
Times arrested in college: 0. Cops called on me individually: 0.
Cops called on a party I was attending: countless.
They had just won the championship, he made a bad decision to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got busted. Stupid, but doesn’t make him a bad person. Like I said, I will let the team do its due diligence.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't agree that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I didn’t ask how many parties had cops show up. I asked how many times did YOU cause the cops to be called. As you said, you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when the cops were called to the parties you were at. Just being there does not involve getting arrested.
But when you are the person at a party that the cops single out to question and arrest, then that is you being the problem, not being at the wrong place.
Can’t you see that difference?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Well
if you are at a party and the cops get called, and you smell like pot, yep you are gonna get singled out and probably arrested. Wrong place, wrong time, stupid mistake.
Can we at least let this go through the court system and let all of the details come out before you pass such condemning judgement?
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think I am making a condemning judgement. I'm just sayiing I don't want him on the Cowboys.
I’m not saying ban him for life from the NFL. Let another team draft him. The Cowboys can do better. We don’t need him.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let me clue you in:
Some cops (most, in my personal opinion) have tremendous egos.
That said, who are they more likely to arrest – the star athlete, or some Joe Shmoe? (no offense to all the Joe Shmoes on this board, myself included)
Shall I rephrase:
Who is more likely to put their name in the paper after arresting – the star, potential future top 10 pick in April’s draft, or some Joe Shmoe?
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
What? I thought cops loved their star athletes.
At least that’s what I learned from the movie Varsity Blues.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
That is only in Midland and Odessa where I grew up
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
we may be able to trade down and draft both these guys :)
by lostar2009 on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I was thinking that too.
With the pick from a trade down you get Chandler Jones.
Sign Jason Jones as a FA too.
Then the Cowboys would get both pass rush and defensive backs.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sooooo happy to hear this!
Kirkpatrick will be a cowboy…..
People were saying in another thread that this isn't his first bust.
Due to the timing of this arrest and when his court date and senticing will be could have major ramifications. This is not a first offense so he may have to due jail time. Also once he is drafted he falls under the CBA and any conviction of guilt would put him in violation of both the leagues substance abuse and personal conduct polcies so he could be facing suspension also.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
This is his first offense.
Not sure where that guy got his info.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Wow, the world is your oyster. You're set to get drafted high and make
millions. And you can’t live without a little weed? Bonehead.
Sweet, hopefully he falls to the second round.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Teams need to look into this
was it actually him in possession of the weed or someone he was with. I know news pundits like to do this and will say that he was in possession of the weed when it was really someone he was with that had it and he might not of known. They will do this because they get better ratings if they can pin the story on someone with a big name.
Like I said, this could just be the papers twisting the story a little big or taking it out of context as they love to do to make a better story. We all hate it, but it is what they do.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
He was busted at a party where weed was present.
There were four or five other arrests at the same time for the same offense. That said, it’s naive to think he wasn’t smoking it. I hope he gets his life together, because he never had an issue at Alabama, and was a team leader for 3 years.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
That seems a bit harmless
I guess I’m worried about the drug testing if we draft him,
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
He was in a truck which was stopped for going on the wrong side of the road.
The drugs were at his feet in his floorboard but the driver claimed they were his.
Hopefully this just dropped his stock a bit, to say, around 14?
A physical 6’3" corner who can cover? YES PLEASE.
Sign carl nicks and a decent safety and I’d be very impressed with Jerry.
Guys, let's be real
Dre is wearing a Star next season. Thank you, Mary Jane!!
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 17, 2012 7:10 PM CST reply actions
Nope if the charges stick, no way JG takes him.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
JG's mistake
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
you cant have dope heads on the team.. also take into the account of the hurd arrest.. tiss tiss tiss
Kirkpatrick already prove he is a wkg… The guy show he love party more than football.
I mean how can you put yourself out there like that once you know you just declared and the draft is like a month and a half away???? And you wonder why when you draft these guys they are not with getting the playbook down etc…
Its the same with Jenkins … He show weed was more important than ball.. You get busted twice. In a month with drugs? Wtf? He talented but can you guys actually not worried about this guy coming into the league and failiing drug test??? I would bc hes the WKG.. he dont want to ball he just want to smoke weed..
Ill pass on those guys and draft gilmore and dennard..
by lostar2009 on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its just idiotic
I don’t know what they think, sigh.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I don't know how you can make a sweeping judgement like that based on one mistake
I totally agreed that he screwed up, and it’s most likely going to cost him money maybe in draft position as well as the negotiating table.
Same thing with Jenkins. But I have been impressed that he has kept is nose clean for the past year. It looks like he understands that it’s going to be a huge cloud hanging over him for probably the length of his rookie contract.
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
What charges?
And it always comes down whether the player can play, and whether the team chooses to view incidents like these as the side effects of being young.
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
that is why now he must pay the price
His draft stock will drop ..
Its simple billion dollar organiztions spend top money for these guys to be the face if their organiztion.. but your failing drug test ..
He the guy will get drafted but me i would be cautious of the guy..
Hey i know ppl make mistakes but man this is on the eve of the draft caught with over a half of weed. I just can invest my 14 th overall pick in the guy..
I can understand if he was a feshman or etc but. Its hes not.
by lostar2009 on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Didnt Percy Harvin had the same problem a few years back? I'm sure Dre wont drop too far down the first round.
D-Ware= sack master ALL PRO OLB
#1 pass rusher in the NFL
0.5 away from two 20 sack seasons.
Am I the only person who doesn't care that he smokes pot?
I have a lot of friends that smoke pot, and they are all great human beings.
The only thing this says about him is that he is kind of dumb to do this before the draft. But then again we are not drafting him to perform brain surgery. I’ll gladly draft him at 14.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
The problem is how much does he likes pot...
Enough to risk getting caught with the Combine right around the corner?
What does that tell you about the possibilities of him finding the strength to stay away from it once he’s a millionaire?
I just don’t like to invest in swamps…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Hey when your boss says don't do it, then don't do it. Especially if they are paying you millions of dollars.
Not that hard. Your friends probably don’t have those type of jobs and have it in their contracts and are tested for it regularly. They also aren’t a “product” that is used to represent a whole. On top of that they probably don’t put themselves in a situation to get arrested.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
good human beings like most of the world
But being screen for a job and smoking pot is bad.. Especially when the job drug test you on a random bases..
I know ppl who had great jobs who could not stop smoking weed and the job eventually found out and let them go. You playing with draft picks .. and at this stage Dallas is in we dont have time for this non sense.. Give me guys who want to ball , study and paratice hard.
by lostar2009 on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care that he smokes pot.
I care that he causes enough of a problem that the COPS GET CALLED, and he is arrested for possession!
I also know a lot of people who smoke pot. But they have never done anything that caused the COPS TO BE CALLED!
Why can’t you people see this? The problem is not the pot. The problem is causing big enough problems that they involve the cops. Same reason I have issues with Dez.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
He was at a party that got called in for a noise violation.
And they smelled pot. Stop making it sound like he was flipping over cop cars.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
by TexaninNYC on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who says he caused the cops to get called?
Besides, I’m pretty sure he was a passenger in an automobile being driven by someone else.
That would lead me to believe he wasn’t doing anything more than possibly smoking weed in the car. Smart? Not at all. But that doesn’t mean he was doing anything to attract police attention.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
New info since I posted that.
And let me make sure ya’ll understand my position. I am not a prude. Pot does not bother me and I think it should be legalized. I am also not condemning Dre right out of the gate. If nothing comes of this, I am okay with drafting him.
What I am saying is that in general, I don’t want the Cowboys to draft anyone who has shown legal problems. A misdemeanor is okay, but a series of misdemeanors shows a pattern.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I really don't care. I've known friends who were potheads
and yeah, they were a bit lazy, but I have friends/family who are alcoholics and alcohol has ruined their life, health….etc. I’m just worried about him failing a drug test in the NFL
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
On the bright side he's going to fall in the draft, worth taking at 14 if you ask me
Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares
Insanity
If the best guy on your board is there, just pick him. Why not learn from more successful draft picks like Tyron Smith?
Also what happened to your Coples obsession? Last year, you were ready to trade away the 2012 draft for him, smh.
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Insanity
If the best guy on your board is there, just pick him. Why not learn from more successful draft picks like Tyron Smith
?
The drug stuff ought to have some effect on his stock. This way you trade down and maybe you come up with both him and Janoris Jenkins with a trade up.
(Then you sign Mario Williams – and defensive problems are solved.
Also what happened to your Coples obsession? Last year, you were ready to trade away the 2012 draft for him, smh.
I still like him , but at the proper value. I had a year to see.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 18, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas doesn't like players with drug issues.
Jerry Jones offered insight into the team’s thinking that summer. Asked why he signed Johnson, Jones explained that the team would take chances with players whose off-field problems didn’t involve drugs.
Dallas had been burned by high-round, high-risk draft picks who had drug problems in college. At some point in the Parcells era, most likely after Quincy Carter’s release, the Cowboys drew the line on knuckleheads with habits. They showed fidelity to this no-drugs principle two years ago, when they left top tight end prospect Aaron Hernandez off their board. (He had drug problems at Florida.)
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01/knucklehead-sandwich-tastes-like-crow.html
Wasn't so long ago
that many Cowboy fans crucified Romo for taking a little trip before a playoff game, but here we stand practically applauding, & saying “atta boy!” to a pothead who gets arrested & may have his stock drop to where he is available at the 14th pick. Some ppl never learn. Didn’t Lett get suspended for drugs? What if we draft Dre “drugs b4 football” Kirkpatrick, pass on DeCastro(how many arrests or drugs?) & he gets suspended for doing drugs during a playoff run or the playoffs? What will these same fans, enabling drug use, the selection of someone whose priority isn’t football, & gets arrested, say about Jones as a GM when he selects someone who is so obviously the WKG? We as fans shouldn’t crucify JJ for being a bad GM & then turn around & hope that he drafts a pothead w/ a criminal record whose priority isn’t football. Do ppl make mistakes? Yes they do. Should they get second chances? Of course they should, but somewhere like Cincinnati or Tampa Bay. This draft is supposed to be deep in CBs so why reach for someone w/ so little regard to himself, his family, fans or team? Imagine if we had Kirkpatrick, Dez & Hurd on the team. What would everyone be saying of JJ then?
Exactly. Let another team give him his second chance.
The Cowboys should be doing better than the other teams.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
no one is saying "atta boy." Just that he was at a party in which weed was present
and that weed isnt’ all that bad, esp compared to alcohol. We all want him to get his act together, unless he’s drafted by a rival NFC East team.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
No, it wasn't at a party.
He was in a car and the bag was in his floorboard next to his foot. He is lucky his buddy told the cops it was his.
So you guys would have cut Michael Irvin in the '90's, right?
Or Nate Newton?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Irvin was arrested once as an active Cowboys, in 1996, and Newton wasn't arrested as an active Cowboys, so no.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
And dre has been arrested... once
Lookee there.
by me gusta on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Difference is that Irvin was already on the team for 6 years.
Dre is a college PROSPECT that we have a CHOICE to take or not.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
All I'm saying is that people make mistakes
Sometimes all it takes is something like this to wake up and change your ways. No doubt his decision was pretty stupid, but people make stupid decisions all the time. It doesn’t mean that they can’t learn from their mistakes and become valuable assets to their team. If this is his first run in with the law, then I have no problem drafting him. If that makes me crazy or stupid then so be it.
by me gusta on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And all I am saying is that there are going to be 250+ guys drafted.
We don’t need to draft anyone with any kind of character concern. There are plenty of guys available who are BPA and have no character concerns. That doesn’t even mean pot-free to me. Just not stupid enough to get caught.
Your opinion does not make you crazy or stupid. I just don’t agree.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
well here is a little tid bit o wisdom......
none of us or the dallas cowboys knows for sure if who they draft or bring in as a FA will not have used drugs or sold it in their lives, nor do we know if they have been using it lately and to what degree. If they have not been caught to date and have been masking it b4 tests , then who is to say that person wont mess up somewhere along the way… surprise… surprise …… ooops !
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
You are absolutely right. If a person is doing something but never caught, there is no way to know he was doing it.
Here is a little bit o wisdom for you:
This guy got caught. We now know for a fact that he does it!
Surprise… surprise…. Nope, we know for a fact.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
When talent and ability far outshine that single mistake you label "character concern," and if left with no options ranking higher on your draft board...
…you’d be a complete fool to not grab Dre Kirkpatrick with the #14 overall pick.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
I disagree. There will be someone at 14 with enough talent to pick that has not been arrested.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 18, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you're right. But I have a feeling that now the ball is in motion...his fate is sealed with a star.
I wouldn’t mind having him on our team, personally. If we feel like we can trade down and still find talent, we should now. Especially if he’s going to fall because of this. I won’t mind that either, now.
I don’t want to speculate too much until after the combine.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
We'll just have to wait and see.
The Cowboys are going to do what they are going to do no matter what we say here.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
or the whole offensive line lol
RKG doesn’t mean you’re a choir boy, just that you have a passion to win, improve, and make those around you better
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Wrong. RKG is not about passion. It is about character.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Jan 17, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take this a step further. I don't care what JG said.
I want players on the Cowboys who are the right kind of character guys.
I have no say in it. JG doesn’t care what I think. But that is what I think.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Then maybe you shouldn't use the RKG acroynm
Because clearly the definition that the team uses and the moral standard you hold players to isn’t the same. What you think of Kirkpatick is irrelevant, so stop calling him the WKG because he doesn’t fit your standard.
Christ, I wish the whole R/W KG thing was never even started by Cowboys brass and talked about to a fault on this site. The NFL locker room is littered with conflicting personalities that all live their own personal life. To think you’re going to have a locker room full of saints, especially when Kirkpatrick was charged on a minor and misdemeanor(at worst) possession charge, which faces all of a years probation at most in most states. It really isn’t that big of a deal.
I must break you
First, if you read the whole thread you would see that I am not asking for all "saints" on the team.
Second, Roger Goodell disagrees with you that it “isn’t that big of a deal”. Would you still be okay with it when Goodell suspends a Cowboy?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
So
Anybody that’s ever been caught with pot has no character?
by me gusta on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No. If you read the whole thread you will see that I already said that I think that pot should be legalized.
You will also see that I said I have no problem with pot and know a lot of people who smoke. IMO pot is no worse than alcohol. You will also see that my problem is being stupid enough to cause problems and draw attention to yourself from the cops when you have been smoking and/or holding.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
If you would read about his arrest you would know it wasn't dre that got the cop's attention
by me gusta on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wrong place, wrong time.
Stupid 21 year old mistake? Absolutely. Glaring character flaw? Not so much.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
He got their attention somehow, or they wouldn't have arrested him.
If he was in a group that got their attention then he shouldn’t be in that group.
How hard is this to understand? How many of you have been arrested? Not so hard to not get arrested is it? I made plenty of mistakes in my 20’s and never got arrested for them. That’s where I draw the line.
I want the Cowboys to pick BPA without character concerns.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I've been arrested
Unpaid speeding tickets. Should I be a pariah and unhireable?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
No.
1) Are you a football player on my favorite team?
2) Speeding is not a character concern. Are you going to fire back at me about Jay-walking next?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
in other words your more concerned about him getting caught in the future in nfl ?
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
I am concerned about Cowboys players being stupid enough to do dumb things that get them in trouble.
I don’t want those kind of people on the Cowboys.
I don’t care if the other 31 teams don’t care if their players get arrested. I don’t care if he gets caught on another team.
I want the Cowboys to be better than all the other teams in every way, including character.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Agree wholeheartedly
but I would add that what we’re also looking for players that won’t be a distraction. If we as fans want the Cowboys to win a SB, how can we expect to do so when drafting players that become a distraction. It’s one thing to be a distraction during the offseason, but to be one during the season & in the locker room is a problem.
T.O. is perfect example of a talented player who was always a distraction & a cancer in the locker room according to some of his former teammates. Look at Randy Moss. Talent oozing out of his pores & always a distraction or malcontent. In the meantime, we have guys like Welker who don’t have half the talent as a T.O. or Randy Moss & they prosper because the do have a passion to win, passion to improve & a passion to make those around you better. Has Welker been arrested or been a distraction to his team? We’re trying to follow the example, to a degree, of the Patriots in surrounding these players with passionate players but not those who are distractions. Dez is right on the fence. He’s a distraction, but so far he or the FO has kept it managed during the season.
We don’t need choirboys as this game is a game of violence & confrontations, but do we really need players who are violent, confrontational & a distraction during the offseason? We absolutely don’t know all the details of his arrest & prior history, if any in UA, but do we really want to use the 14th pick on a player w/ so many unknowns & a clear lack of judgment? I don’t believe we should. Should he be drafted after the 14th? Sure, but not necessarily by the Cowboys. The CB out of South Carolina is moving up the boards as is Chase Minifeld. We have options.
I could even see Coples as an option for Cowboys over DeCastro should he be there in the 14th as it has been suggested that his motor isn’t 100% because he’s trying to avoid being injured like his former teammate LB Bruce Carter. We may even have the option of getting LSU DT Brockers. We have soooo many choices & so many holes to fill. Why obsess or get tunnel vision over a guy whose focus(passion) isn’t football first. IMO, he’s made himself a distraction & a team w/ SB aspirations, can only manage so many problem children before the locker room is broken.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you don’t take him at 14 but if you can get a great deal on him then you take him.
If he is the tenth best player in the draft but you can get him at 25 and get extra draft picks too then it is a great chance.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 18, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
@14
or @25 he’s not worth the risk imo. there are better players & greater need elsewhere, but do agree if we can trade down & still get Coples of DeCastro I’d be for it, but would hate to see either of them go elsewhere. I’d rather see the Cowboys pickup Minniefield or the CB out of South Carolina than D.K(nucklehead) Kirkpatrick. Just don’t care for drafting players w/ poor-decision making. I did like him a lot during his bowl game, but have soured on him. Like it was posted elsewhere, the FO removes players w/ drug habits off their draft board entirely. I’d rather see Coples or DeCastro to be honest. Those 2 picks would be a lot safer in that their talent is unquestionable & they don’t have character concerns that we know of.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Jan 19, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
You're wrong in terms of the RKG for the Dallas Cowboys, so says the Head Coach.
I think his opinion weighs…well, suffice it to say his opinion actually weighs something where your opinion weighs absolutely nothing. Again, this is pertaining 100% to matters of the Dallas Cowboys.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
Right back at ya.
All of our opinions weigh absolutely nothing pertaining to matters of the Dallas Cowboys.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Well, that's not true.
If someone is labeled using the acronym “RKG” while referring to Jason Garrett’s use of the phrase “Right Kind of Guy,” it’s meaning correlates explicitly to Jason Garrett’s definition, usage, and examples of what an “RKG” is. They are spoken from the man’s mouth.
I understand this has not been trademarked or otherwise claimed by Jason Garrett, but c’mon man. You should know what kind of uphill fight you’ve gotten yourself in here. In this case, I kinda agree with the majority.
Why don’t you come up with your own phrase and shrink it to an even better sounding acronym? Like “Other Right Kind of Guy”, or “ORKoG”. That’d be sweet.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
How about Real Right Kind of Guy. RRKG.
The kind that matters in the real world. Football is just a game. Life is real.
And I’ll say it again since you failed to read it: All of our opinions weigh absolutely nothing pertaining to matters of the Dallas Cowboys. Not even yours.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I'll tell you right now
There was absolutely NO question about Dre on the field or in the locker room.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Just to clarify
I have nothing against him being caught in possession of what appears to be a single MJ joint, it’s his decision making that I’m questioning.
If he’s making this kind of mistake when he’s about to inmerse himself in interviews, physicals and medical tests with people that want to make him a millionaire, what do you think may happen when he’s in the Offseason and he has a huge bank account to spend?
Someone that’s capable of being this stupid is capable of worse.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Jan 17, 2012 9:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If he can kill the combine and show the ability to turn and run at his size
than I would be all for drafting him at #14.
The guy was smoking pot almost two months before the combine and a full 7 months before he would have to be gearing up for a training camp. Let’s see how everything plays out over the next few months before declaring who we will and who will absolutely not draft.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Man,
All you guys quick to codemn him as if he’s done something horribly wrong. He ddnt even smoke it! So now he’s a pothead? Please. If DeCastro is gone by the time we pick, I say hell yeah we take him. I bet you a whole lot of players in the NFL smoke weed and do other illegal things all the time. They just don’t get caught. Maybe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He’s a great talent.
by BrickTop on Jan 18, 2012 2:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Still should take him
One charge of pot, which isn’t a huge deal and doesn’t hold a severe penalty (let alone he’ll get his record expunged assuming he goes through the court system properly), doesn’t change who he is as a football player nor is it an example of who he is as a person. If he comes into interviews and the combine and pisses hot or gives any reason to believe he is going to be a problem, then go ahead and pass on him.
Bottom line is he was at a party that got busted for a noise violation. Because he smelt like pot, as he probably was smoking and had a little on him(possession less than 20 grams? I doubt he had anything special on him if they aren’t clarifying and being he’s probably like most college students, he probably had anywhere from a gram’s worth to maybe a half, so 7 grams), which isn’t much at all. He’ll go through the simple court motions, especially in state like Florida, and that will be that.
As someone who actually DID get busted with pot while in college and still was able to finish college AND get into a grad school(not to mention an easy chance to get into the Army with a wavier that I had ready to go if I made that choice), his situation isn’t that uncommon at all. I wasn’t arrested, but it was a very similar situation. For me I was in the dorm when the police were called on the people who lived next to me who happened to be smoking in their room/someone the cops had been watching as a potential dealer. Because I was friends with both the kids, they searched my room as well and came up with about 3.5 grams of pot which I had on me before. All in all, the only thing it cost me was money for the court charges, passing a piss test the day of my trial, and staying clean for a year’s probation, which got reduced to six months due to good behavior. All in all it wasn’t a huge deal.
Bottom line is if he’s there and someone like DeCastro is gone, they should move forward with him.
I must break you
I agree. In the real world personal use pot is not a big deal.
I think it should be legalized.
But we are talking about the NFL. Roger Goodell thinks it is a big deal and will suspend players for it. I don’t want Dallas Cowboys players to be suspended. I know lots of players smoke pot but there is nothing the Cowboys FO can do about it because they aren’t getting caught. But when a prospect gets caught, there IS something the FO can do about it: not draft him.
That’s all I’m saying. I’m not condemning him and I’m not looking for all “saints” in the locker room. But when a guy gets caught before he is drafted, the FO has that information about him as a fact, and can make a choice about him.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I would have to agree, Rena is DA BOMB
and deserves a lot more recognition around here.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Would I ever try and get girl to blush
Who knows enough that she could take many writers, TV folks and Bill Parcells to the woodshed?
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
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