Dallas Cowboys: What Changes Should Be Made On The Coaching Staff?
by Tom Ryle on Jan 2, 2012 8:32 PM CST
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PrintIt's over, folks. The 2011 season is in the books, and the Dallas Cowboys are now officially an 8-8 team.
A lot of us wanted more, but in yet another one of his brilliant posts, OCC has pointed out how this may be exactly what the team needs to effectively move ahead. Obviously, there is a need for new talent on the field. But first, the team needs to decide who is going to select, coach and lead that talent.
Rabblerousr, in his post on the tired Dallas memes, had a link to Bob Sturm's excellent breakdown of the talent issue. Sturm points out, quite correctly, that the talent evaluation prior to the draft has been, to put it mildly, disappointing in recent years. Sturm lays the blame at Jerry Jones' feet, which is sort of what most people do.
But in one of his very educational fanposts, CoachGary lays out the argument that the whole draft process is much more of a consensus effort for the Cowboys. And that means that it isn't all at Jerry's feet. Or Jason Garrett's, either. Nor is the performance of the team on the field. While the talent available limits what the players are able to do, there still has to be some responsibility laid on the coaching staff.
So take it all together. There has to be an infusion of talent, both through the draft and free agency. But that is not going to happen right away. There must be some deadwood cut out to make room for new talent, and it looks like there could be a lot of it chopped away, with the contracts for 20 players currently with the team expiring. But that does include some players like Laurent Robinson and Tony Fiammetta who most of us want to see retained. And the team is already making some moves with an eye to the future, signing four practice squad players to new deals today, which indicates that some changes are impending. These are all decisions that need the input of the whole coaching staff.
The team is not going to get a new GM. That is just a given. And the GM who isn't going anywhere has already stated that Head Coach Jason Garrett's job is secure, which is absolutely the best decision this year.
But how many assistant coaches are secure? More importantly, who should be?
A look at possibililtes after the jump.
Let's take a look at the full list of assistant coaches from the mothership.
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Offensive Coaches |
Defensive Coaches |
Specialty Coaches |
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Jimmy Robinson |
Rob Ryan |
Mike Woicik |
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John Garrett |
Dave Campo |
Joe DeCamillis |
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Skip Peete |
Matt Eberflus |
Chris Boniol |
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Wade Wilson |
Brian Baker |
Walt Williams |
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Hudson Houck |
Brett Maxie |
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Wes Phillips |
Ben Bloom |
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Keith O'Quinn |
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The big name, of course, is Rob Ryan. Once upon a time, he was seen as the savior for the defense,
Five blown fourth quarter leads and three embarrassing losses to divsion rivals later, there are some doubts. In the interest of full disclosure, I was one of the big Ryan supporters last summer. But after watching game after game where the defense looked confused and ineffective, I have to wonder if he is the solution I thought he was.
This is where I have to go back to that notorious and hated event known formally as the NFL Lockout of 2011, and in my head as the Great Suckitude. It is still causing problems today. We are left with the question of whether Rob's defense is just totally wrong for the team, or whether he just suffered from not having an off season. And we are not going to know unless we give him another year and a defense heavy draft/free agency signing to find out. I think that, like it or not, we are going to see what RR can do with a full off season to work with.
There is still speculation about Rob getting a head coaching offer. I just don't see what about this season would entice a team to make him their head guy.
That gets us down to the most obvious candidate on the list, Dave Campo. The secondary took a lot of heat this year, and Dave was not the most popular guy on the staff to begin with. If the team does make some changes on the staff (and I think they have to), he seems the first one to go.
Who else seems likely to be leaving Valley Ranch? I don't see anyone that is going to get a big offer from some other team (although I thought I did run across something about Joe DeCamillis getting an interview somewhere, but I can't find it again), so this will be a case of moving people out to make room for some new blood.
Where else on the team is there need for improvement? If you answered anything besides "everywhere", then you haven't been paying attention. While some areas, like the wide receivers, look to be in good shape for next year, most parts of the team have issues looming varying from aging stars that will eventually need backup/replacement to gaping voids that may take multiple drafts to fix.
Some other possible candidates for a pink slip:
Hudson Houck. The team took a huge gamble with the youth movement in front of Tony Romo. Did the offensive line perform as well as could be expected, or did they come up short? Dallas spent three draft picks here last year. One of them was a definite success. The others - well, that is part of the question about Coach Houck.
Brett Maxie. His job title is Secondary/Safeties. That in itself would make me nervous if I were him.
Ben Bloom. Defensive Quality Control? I'm not even sure what that means. I am sure it didn't work too well.
Joe DeCamillis. Blocked punts. Blocked field goals. Lackluster return game. Has he just gotten to the end of his usefulness?
Add in the fact that Dave, Brett and Hudson all are without contracts at the moment, along with Wes Phillips, Keith O'Quinn, and Skip Peete, and I bet some people are not sleeping well.
Part of the issue is that no one knows who is going to be available out there. When head coaches get fired, there are often quality assistants that lose their jobs just as part of the general housecleaning. If Jason can make a good upgrade, he needs to do so, even if it means turning someone loose who was doing an adequate job before. And I am not even getting into the whole offensive coordinator debate.
The problem is, of course, justifying any of the coaching jobs this year as all that adequate.
I don't pretend to have good answers here. I am sure some will disagree with my list, and others will propose different names. But I suspect changes are coming. Soon.
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I think he will.
Just curious what everyone thinks about how many and who. I would expect four or five.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
I hope so. It will demonstrate to what lengths Jason will go to to improve.
You never got the feeling that Wade would be steely cold and cut a friend lose if he had to. I want Jason to show that coldness and dedication to winning. When you preach accountability, you can’t simply bring the same staff and players back. The positive is that it seems like Jason definitely has the cajones to overhaul Valley Ranch based off of everything we let go last year on the team and in the staff.
I would personally start with Campo and Newman. Brooking and Specer also have to be allowed to walk. Bring back Bradie at a low contract to act as a veteran behind Carter and Lee. I don’t know what his contract status is, but Alan Ball has to go. We already are bringing back Sensabaugh so I don’t know if I really want to bring Elam back.
We cut the dead weight off the offense last year. Now it’s the defense’s turn.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
interesting to see
I too hope he will be objective about tough decisions and make them. Hopefully Ryan will be on board with those on the defensive side of the ball.
It would not surprise me to see him part with DeCamillis.
Does anyone have a sense of how well John Garrett has performed? There is a decision that would, if warranted, epitomize “steely cold”
by Lajitas Lava on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah DeCamillis is another coach that should be on the chopping block.
You can’t have a draft to yourself in 2009 and still put out such terrible special team units.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Makes me wonder..
“It will demonstrate to what lengths Jason will go to improve”
Will Jason evaluate himself subjectively? Many people on this site say we need an OC.. Many others also say that JG should make the tough decisions on firing/hiring coaches. Will he evaluate himself as the OC? and if/when he does will he go to the length of deciding to bring in an OC?
Also, everything I’ve read says Jerry is 100% JG as his head coach.. What will happen if JJ tells Garrett that he wants to bring in another OC? Lots of questions in this comment but its just like our team right now..
by AmericasTeamm on Jan 2, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think Jason will definitely look for improvement in himself
but I doubt we hire an outright OC. I could see us hiring a guy like Sparano as another offensive coach, but I don’t think we will see any “offensive coordinator” hired.
Personally, I don’t think an OC hiring is necessary. Payton and McCarthy do both and I think Jason is smart enough to do it as well. With that being said, I want us to improve our staff as much as possible. If Norv Turner is sitting there, I would love to hire him, even if it as “passing game coordinator” or whatever fun title we can come up with.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
We definitely need an OC
I may be a bit biased towards JG based on the offense’s playoff performance against the Giants in 2007 where the Giants were starting two rookie cornerbacks and refused to throw at them but hey, I’m entitled to that right?
Jason fails to adjust his offensive gameplan accordingly based on the defense he’s facing. We can talk about how his offenses are in the top 10 of the league every year but that is based on yards per game. Not points. We routinely rank in the middle of the pack with points scored. Just watching the Giants game two nights ago, he continued to call plays that required time to develop through the first half and was getting Romo killed. Then, mid way through the third quarter, Romo shreds them with quick passes nullyfying the Giants pass rush. And on the next offensive possession, he goes back to the same gameplan from the 1st half. Not to mention, when the game is within reach, he then decides is time to get Dez the ball when he failed to do that in the 1st half.
An offensive coordinator who’s only focused on the offense is needed. I would bring in Norv Turner to run the offense and call the plays while JG can focus on getting his “be good today…stack good days on top of each other” message that got us an 8-8 season. We can lay the blame on the defense (I do to an extent) but he should know his defense has trouble stopping other teams. Knowing that, he needs to keep his foot on the pedal and not slap it in cruise control.
by thegloryyears on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2007 Playoff Game - You mean the one where T.O. was hurt, and Patrick Crayton was his best healthy receiver?
Regardless, I agree only somewhat with you. I think that Jason needs to improve, and specifically, I would like to see us move to a more west-coast style with a greater emphasis put on shorter routes. I agree that too many times on Sunday night we ran route packages that were not getting the ball out of Tony’s hand quickly. However, it is funny that you think hiring an OC will just solve that problem. Norv Turner runs the same offense that Jason Garrett does (more or less), and is another guy who has seen his team put up gaudy yard numbers and point totals that don’t match them.
Furthermore, most of the blame lies with the defense. To pretend otherwise is absurd.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I'm all for continuity...
But only when progress is being made. Time for culling.
Pirates Vs. Ninjas? Psh......Cowboys, baby.
by oneinsider on Jan 2, 2012 8:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I believe NFL network stated Houck is thinking about retiring
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by Antonio S on Jan 2, 2012 8:45 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Bring back Sparano.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Not making excuses for the line play,
but I expected far worse from the line this year. Houck seemed to have a bunch of average talent to work with (Free and Smith being the exceptions). Whatever he did/said to motivate Holland seemed to work on the second go round. I’d consider keeping Houck.
No doubt about it a lot of those wide open wide receivers were due to the defense being confused.
Hopefully Ryan will get things under control with a full of season, but I’m not so sure he’s the fix we needed. I hate it because wade Philips really is a good D coordinator just wasn’t a good head coach. I wish he could have stayed on as D coordinator after last yr. I know others will argue but look at what he did with the texans this year and they had no more talent than we did.
Another great move IMO would be to hire norv turner as O coordinator if/when he gets fired.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 2, 2012 8:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
texans has better front 7 than we do
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Two ideas
First, Jason needs an offensive coordinator. I believe this would eliminate 90 percent of the clock, game and play design problems that surfaced all year long. (Plus, I believe everything Jimmy Johnson says …)
I don’t know enough about the individual coordinators to have an informed opinion about them.
Second, what happened in Indianapolis today should be an object lesson for the Jones family. I realize we don’t have a Jim Irsay to clean house in the front office, unfortunately. But it’s truly eye-opening to know that he had the guts to fire the Polians.
Bill Polian held the title Vice Chairman. He was NFL Executive of the Year 5 times in the 1990s and again in 2009. He engineered the Manning draft and the Faulk trade, and he would have seemed to have had a “get out jail card” for the rest of his life. Still, Irsay pulled the plug on him this afternoon (and Chris Polian, the Team President). I know it’s totally wishful thinking, but I wish Jerry would get the Polian news, take his own advice and “look in the mirror,” and fix the way the front office selects and holds onto talent. The Jones system is not working and hasn’t for more than a decade now.
I don't listen to the fans much, but I do listen to the players some. -- T. Landry
by Transplanted Texan on Jan 2, 2012 8:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Almost Two Decades
. . . if you figure the success of the 1990s was built much earlier. Jones and his attempt to build a team subservient to his ego got the Cowboys here. He skimped on coaches and the organizational talent is obviously lacking in the talent acquisition department.
If Garrett believe coaching to the be problem, then fine
But just firing coaches because the team isn’t good enough is foolishness. You can’t argue that the players aren’t good enough and then say the coaches need to be fired. Is it possible both are bad? Maybe. But they wouldn’t win 8 games if both were the problem in my opinion. I’m inclined to say it’s the players. Maybe a few coaches need to go simply because they have clear issues that we as fans cannot possibly see (but Garrett does). I wouldn’t be sad if DeCamillis left. Special Teams has regressed into a liability again, and that’s just not good enough when your team is not dominant on offense and defense.
Somebody in the building needs to learn how to draft, that’s just the hard and simple truth. Until that changes, we’ll continue to have these pointless discussions when the team doesn’t succeed.
I would like Joe Avezzano.
He is coaching in Italy…give him the cash and get him back!
Garrett runs way too often on first down
Last night for example he ran on three of the first four first and 10’s.
Plus his clock management is horrible
I really cannot stand the guy
by firejasongarrett on Jan 2, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions
Garrett needs an OC
Having an OC would go a long way
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by Antonio S on Jan 2, 2012 9:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
See above
Norv Turner BABY!!!!!
by Dynamicduo on Jan 2, 2012 9:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Norv is staying in SD
but you never know
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by Antonio S on Jan 2, 2012 9:10 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You maybe right
As you said you never know
If Turner was let go I would love to see him come to Dallas, but I do not see that happening. I am not sure he would come back to the Cowboys, and something tells me Garrett would not give up the OC position. JJ would have to force him. I do not see JJ doing that
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
Garrett is so mild mannered
His team was flopping around like “football imbeciles” in the first half and every shot of him gave me the thought that he couldn’t reign in the stupidity.
Like he was saying “I’ve done all I can do…thses guys just can’t get it done.”
I was pleased that the team raised their level of play at halftime, but Garrett had them tentative and undisciplined for kick-off and that bothers me.
Garrett might be a lot better as a college head coach.
Be mindful
Garrett is trying to clean up the mess he inherited from our GM its gonna take a while
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by Antonio S on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
this
Maybe as the first half unfolded he started composing a list of his first cuts of 2012.
by Lajitas Lava on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Agree but
. . . why did Dallas need a first half to know that Romo needed to be getting the ball out quickly? The Giants have a defensive front that is quick and dangerous. Dallas scores nothing in the first half. For all the caterwalling about the defense, I keep coming back to the lack of offensive success, such as the first half of the last game. Jason needs an offensive coordinator, no doubt. And I bet he does fire some of these inhereted coaches. Special teams have sucked for a while now – ever since that tent fell down on the Coach, but, too bad for him. I would replace him for starters.
He should've explained to grown men
that they need to do their jobs correctly?
“You better not be flat before the game! Do you all realize we go to the playoffs if we win?! Rawr!” Yeah. good luck with that.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
You can never have enough lazy analysis.
You can’t hold Garrett personally responsible for the incompetence of guys like Newman and Ball.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
On the other hand
It seems just as lazy to anoint him as the second coming of Tom Landry, which seems to be the new meme around these parts:
And the GM who isn’t going anywhere has already stated that Head Coach Jason Garrett’s job is secure, which is absolutely the best decision this year.
Please. The best decision of the year is to keep an 8-8 coach, who went 1-4 when it mattered most? The best decision when we added guys like Laurant Robinson off the scrap heap, drafted a stud, 20 year old O-Lineman, and a potentially great RB in the third round? To automatically fall in love with this head coach is just as lazy as blaming him for all our woes.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Garrett is the best HC we've had since Jimmy Johnson
So yes Tom is correct, it was definitely the best move Jones made all year.
In Romo we Trust
So we should keep hiring coaches and firing them if they don't win a Superbowl within 2 years?
Here’s how a few of the coaches whose names keep coming up did in their first year as head coach. Dungy 6-10 (Bucs), Parcells 3-10, Belichick 6-10 (Browns), and Cowher took over a decent team and went 11-5 his first season as HC, but it took 13 years before he finally won a Superbowl. Also, Andy Reid went 5-11 his first year at Philly, and 13 years later they are still waiting for their first Superbowl ring. I’m not saying Jerry should give JG 13 years, but flipping head coaches every other year will get you nowhere fast.
The offense seems headed in the right direction if JG can learn from his clock management mistakes. They replaced most of the offensive line with young guys who didn’t get the benefit of a real off-season with Houck and Woicik and of course there were growing pains, and injuries took a toll later in the season.
Now that Rob Ryan is more familiar with the defensive players, hopefully he can work with JG and the scouting department to address the most glaring needs. We can only guess how bad the injuries were that a lot of the guys played with, and maybe just some better depth all across the defense would do wonders. Lee, Ware, Ratliff, Jenkins, and Scandrick have all shown they have talent, and Bruce Carter looks promising. Newman might be healthy when next season starts, but it’s a safe bet at least one of the CBs will go down with an injury and in today’s NFL it’s crazy to rely on just 2 or 3 decent CBs. Safety always seems to be the last position addressed, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a 2nd or 3rd round pick used on one.
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I never said to fire him
Its a more nuanced argument.
I just said there is no reason to anoint him as the next coming yet.
But perhaps you just wanted a strawman to attack.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
If I am not mistaken
Garrett was a big reason why many of those good decisions your talked about were made. Plus, I heard he was the driving force behind the smith and murray picks.
I think that is correct.
The more influence Garrett has over the personnel process, i think the better off we are going to be in the long run.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Wow. I wonder how many times people have said Garrett runs too much?
Almost all the criticism thrown his way suggests the opposite.
For me, the only thing I want to see improved is I think we need to do a better job sometimes of getting our offense in rhythm. Specifically,I want to see us run more slant packages to give Tony a way to back defenses off a bit better. This especially makes sense when Dez and Miles can get such great releases.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
On the subject of Rob Ryan
His defenses in Oakland and Cleveland were not always the most effective (those teams have been talent voids for awhile), but I don’t ever remember hearing of this level of confusion in the scheme, which makes me think it is more a player problem than a coach problem.
Assistant of the Year for me goes to Jimmy Robinson and Skip Peete, in a split decision. Peete coached newcomers Fiametta and Morris into being effective, and had Tanner and Murray ready for the season. Robinson presided over the Laurent Robinson reclamation project, obviously a smashing success.
I ran into a group of men trying to take an old lady's purse and decided it was my duty to help out. She was a tough old broad, but in the end we got her purse.
by MilesAhead on Jan 2, 2012 9:00 PM CST via Android app reply actions
he also did a good job with Dez who improved a lot as the year went on
by somebodyquiet on Jan 2, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Agree I really thought he would have a break out year this past year.
He seems to disappear at times
by Dynamicduo on Jan 2, 2012 9:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Luckily
our opponents don’t, and continue to throw double coverage his way, giving Austin and Robinson more chances. Whether he’s going for 100 yards every game or not, he’s a big enough threat to every team in the league that he’s worth having on the field as often as possible.
I expect a monstrous year from Dez.
He has been able to rely on natural ability and has did fairly well. I think some players need more time to learn how to use that ability to it’s full advantage. An offseason to get a better knowledge of the playbook and route techniques combined with a strength and conditioning program should be the ticket. He seems to have the fire and the passion needed.
second string water boy
He can improve for sure, but in 15 games he had over 900 yards.
And that was without Tony ever really forcing it to him (which he almost needs to do more considering Dez’s jump-ball ability).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Another good point
I hold out hope that Rob Ryan will end up the best hire of the 2011 offseason, but so far you’d have to give that title to Jimmy Robinson
I ran into a group of men trying to take an old lady's purse and decided it was my duty to help out. She was a tough old broad, but in the end we got her purse.
by MilesAhead on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Is Robinson under contract
and for how long? This guy is an excellent position coach and I would actually like to see Garrett promote him to assistant OC so he can offload some of his duties, like Sean Payton does in New Orleans.
He just signed with us last offseason, so I’d guess we have him for a few years, assuming another team doesn’t offer him a promotion.
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by MilesAhead on Jan 3, 2012 11:02 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not a big fan of Jerry's anymore
And I used to be a big defender of his. I also understand, as much as I’m disgusted by the way he’s built this team, that he’s not really some autocrat throwing darts at a board drafting Brewsters and Jason Williams and AOA’s for the fun of it. I fully understand that he’s at the mercy of his talent evaluators as much as any GM. But at some point he’s still responsible for those evaluators working for his team and giving him bad advice. Whoever stood up for those players I just listed needs to be fired and his family run out of town. Jerry’s the one who’s hired these guys and he’s at fault for the bad advice they’ve given him
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
Good post.
Jerry has set up the way the organization runs. If the front office as currently constructed doesn’t get the job done, its Jerry’s fault. Period.
On a related note, Jerry is probably more at the mercy of his talent evaulators than other GMs in the league. Jerry doesn’t strike me as the GM who burns the midnight oil searching for the steal of the 5th round. And that’s the problem. Even if he was a brilliant football guy, he is spread so thin with his other titles and responsibilities that his main job suffers.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
JG should have the final say
the Cowboys need an OC. JG is a good head coach but let him just focus on getting guys prepared and doing HC stuff (like calling TO’s). Norv Turner? Also, I like Rob Ryan but I do think he should build his defensive gameplan to the defensive players’ skill set. The main problem on defense is that not only do we not have any body who is mean and nasty and doesn’t take sh*t from nobody, but the guys who continually hurt us (mainly the secondary) are just not smart human beings. Always make stupid mistakes and mental penalties and they can’t understand the gameplan in week 17! We need a secondary that includes SMART people.
by AmazinsCowboys on Jan 2, 2012 9:16 PM CST via Android app reply actions
QUICK ?
Can anyone explain to me why Denver won the division over San Diego. They both were
8-8, 3-3 in their division, but SanDiego was 7-5 in the AFC & Denver was 6-6 in the AFC.
I’M CONFUSED
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
Yeah I understand that but
I thought that the record against AFC opponents was the 1st tie breaker??
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
by thruthicknthin on Jan 2, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
If thats true I think thats a stupid rule, and I would be pretty pissed if the BOY’S lost the division that way.
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
by thruthicknthin on Jan 2, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Which record??
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
by thruthicknthin on Jan 2, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
i predict ...
… that’s Tebow’s first (and last) three-way— the Holy Trinity notwithstanding.
by Lajitas Lava on Jan 2, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I personally think that it's a joke that an 8-8 team gets a home game...
and a 12-4 team gets a wildcard. I think their should be a rule change in the seeding process. Just like last year when a 7-9 team got a home game. It won’t happen I know that.
Oh and they split their 2 games played against each other.
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
It's all Tebow's fault.
He’s the new Romo.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
lol GOOD answer
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
by thruthicknthin on Jan 2, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Ryan Out, Spagnuolo In
Now that the Lambs have canned Spagnuolo, Dallas should pick him up to be their new DC and dump fat slob, big mouth Rob Ryan.
If you really did get rid of Ryan, or if he leaves, I would want Mike Nolan.
The guy did a good job with the Dolphins despite having little talent.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Mike Nolan was no.1 on my wishlist last offseason
but we cant fire Ryan after one season…
Seriously, I dont like Ryan, I didnt like this hiring, but even I wouldnt fire hime after one season
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Reports said he was No.1 on garretts list last season as well.
I don’t know why we can’t make major changes after just one season. Last season was not a typical offseason and decisions were made in light of that non-typcicality. Now that things are back to normal, I see no reason why those decision can’t be reevaluated.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Spags prowess is kind of a myth
He really only had 1 good year as the giants defensive coordinator and the Rams D was never good under him. Plus he is a 4-3 guy
Isn’t Spagnolo a 4-3 guy and if so I would love going back to a 4-3.
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
Yeah but where does DWare fit in a 4-3?
It’s a big gamble to marginalize our best defensive player.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Sreahan played at 250 the year the Gmen won the superbowl. Ware can play that role in a 4-3.
I don’t see the problem. 4-3 is easier to draft for. The 3-4 will never work in Dallas because no one on the staff can draft for it. It has been an epic fail in Dallas and has set this team back many years.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 2, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Strahan
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 2, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ware goes back to his college position--4-3 DE
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
not happening
going back to the 4-3 would only slow the retooling process Garrett wants to see happening
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
DeMarcus is EveryWare Man
Twitter: @silva918
by Antonio S on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
If I had the choice
Houck would be replaced by Oline Coach Pat Ruel while retaining Wes Phillips
Campo and Maxie would be replaced by former University of Illinoise coach Ron Zook
Not sure on an OC just yet
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
DeCamillis rumored to interview with Jax Jags
That was according to one of Peter King’s sources, who i hear makes a mean soy pumpkin latte at the 30 Rock Starbuck’s.
I would give him a bonus to leave
. . . sorry about the broken neck, dude . . . but bidness is bidness; so long.
He got 5 mil in a lawsuit. Dude should already be gone.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 3, 2012 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe it is just me but -
There was no 1,000 yard guy on the offense…
Not that I am complaining, but in a way, I am…
Witten came closest and Murray was on his way…but 1,000 yards is not much (67 yards a game?)
I think it reveals that Garrett doesn’t have a firm thrust on offense…he’s more the “spread the wealth around” kind of philosophy guy…but I think you have to have your “go to” guys and basically tell dictate to defenses….
Bryant should easily be a 1,200+ yard guy
Murray better be too come next season…
And Miles Austin needs to stop dropping passes…
Just some passing thoughts on a team with no 1,000 yard player.
Yeah but
what are the chances he steps down as O.C. and hires a new O.C. ( maybe a Norv Turner) would love that.
BRUCE LEE and the 5 FINGERS of DEATH, (Romo, Felix, Witten, Dez, & Miles)
by thruthicknthin on Jan 2, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
1000 yards means something
It means – hey, this is our guy and you (the defense) has to deal with it.
Who’s the go to guy on this squad?
I hope it’s going to be Murray, but the Eagles first butt whooping showed Garrett ignored Murray after averaging about 9 yards a carry in the first quarter.
Garrett needs to make up his mind and execute.
Austin had 2 catches for 20 yards Sunday in a must win game Dallas trailed from the get go?
What is that? Two for twenty? Austin is a money guy…right?
Not sure what he is doing….
All our stars missed time
Murray dez and Murray each could have had 1000 if not for injury.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 2, 2012 11:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good observations Rome1, but...
remember Miles always had problems until his breakout season. I’ve also noticed that when he returned after his injuries, he struggled with drops for a couple games. So I guess I’m saying that Miles is at best still a number 2 or 3 wide receiver, and it pains me that the Cowboys always seem to pay someone “Star”/number#1 player at the position -money after a very good season and view them as such. They did it with Free and wrongly assessed he was a LT, did it with MBIII, and Ken Hamlin.
Now to me, You could make a case that Laurent Robinson played like our best WR this past year…route running, hands, and consistent big plays. But one breakout season a star isn’t made…esp when you’ve been a journeyman. So make him a reasonable offer and focus on running the main WR offense thru the guy who has the most potential to be a superstar—Dez. Yeah, lots more to learn, but to me he’s our Victor Cruz and yet we continue to “spread the wealth around” and not have the dynamism we could.
JG frustrates the heck out of me with his now 6-year approach to the offense. Outside of 2007 (when he had Sparano helping), he’s been under-performing. Screw the yardage stats and look at the actual scoring against good teams, red-zone efficiency, etc. So bring in Sparano again to help the O overall and O-line and run the O thru Dez and Demarco…and STOP the 3-4 yd routes to no-YAC J-Witten!
Funny
First you write:
But one breakout season a star isn’t made…
Then you write:
to me he’s our Victor Cruz
So now Victor Cruz is a star and we should hope Dez attains such greatness?
Also, regarding paying people too much, its not like any of those payouts were crazy. With the exception of Hamilin, if any of those players (MBIII, Free, Miles) walked after their breakout season because we low balled them, JJ would have been villified for being cheap.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible." - Coach Landry
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
You took things out of context...
We paid and positioned Miles as a number#1 receiver…and he isn’t. Granted, he may have been playing as our best receiver at the time, but he’s not a true dominant receiver to where he could regularly take over a game. He doesn’t have that skill-set. jimmy Johnson and others have commented on that. Yet, most analysts view Dez as having the type of game-changing talent that Victor Cruz has displayed…so the thought was Dez should be featured more as Cruz has been to be a game-changer.
Cruz could just be a 1-year wonder, but again, I was referencing his game-changing playmaking that has been clearly evident. Cruz was on my mind, but I could have clearly made the analogy to several other WRs.
You may also recall that MBIII was not at the end of his contract when the Boys wrongly assessed he was a number#1 RB and gave him that hefty $45Mil contract that shocked the majority of football analysts. I could go on and on.
I stand by my overall premise that we have over-valued talent at times and viewed them as legit game-changers, paid too much money to “non-stars,” and not properly run the offense through game-changers that we do have. The last 5-6 years of abject failure suggests that those things have been major contributors (along with many other reasons).
I seem to recall
Miles Austin being a huge game changer in several games.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible." - Coach Landry
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
Can't see the forest for all the trees?
The Cowboys finished the season with 6,008 yards, the second-most in franchise history:
2009: 6,390
2011: 6,008
1979: 5,968
1978: 5,959
1983: 5,959
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 3, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with you
but that’s just a product of the NFL these days. There’s no way 2009 and 2011 were the two best Dallas offenses in history, relative to the rest of the league.
But the offense struggled all year
. . . too many times the offense just could not get the job done at the most important juncture of a game. This put enormous prossure on the defense.
It works both ways.
No single part of the Cowboys sucked much more than any other. All three phases had equal opportunity to shine or suck all year, and unfortunately they all chose the latter at the most inopportune times.
If I should die before I wake,
feed Jake.
where did they finish in scoring?
369 points good for 15th in the league. 7 of the top 10 in scoring are in the playoffs… Yards are nice but you have score TDs to win in the NFL. Garrett has to open up this vanilla offense to do it
by dcsince77 on Jan 3, 2012 8:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Can't see a thing OCC
And that translates to average scoring in the 21st century.
2009: 22.6 pts/game ranked 14th
2011: 23.1 pts/game ranked 15th
1979: 23.2 pts/game ranked 5th
1978: 24 pts/game ranked 1st
1983: 29.9 pts/game ranked 2nd
by thegloryyears on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
1000 Yd guy
Wait a sec…New Orleans spreads the ball around AND has 2 1000 yard guys.(Colston and Graham)
Geaux Cowboys!
Check your facts
2011 New Orleans Saints
Passing (Attempts/Completions): 662 / 472
Rushing (Attempts/Completions): 431
Cry "Havoc!"
Agree 150%...
but I fear part of the prblem with Jerry and JG is misplaced loyalty. I remember Camps saying that after JG got the job that he told him something to the effect that ‘as long as I’m the HC, you’ll have a job with the team…’ and that gave Camps some peace of mind. Wade Wilson has done exactly what during his tenure? Again one of Jerry’s loyal pets. Houck has been great for a long time but his time is over. Sure he invested a lot of time and energy with Tyron, but he was highly incentivized with it being his alma mater and Tyron being the number#1 priority. But Houck’s work and recommendation with the rest of the line is atrocious. He’s not a fiery guy and has a dispositon like cupcake Wade…which is not what’s needed to get after guys like Costa, Free, and others who under-perform. Bring in again the fiery Sparano who took some of our OL “trash” and made them very decent OL players at the Dolphins.
Why Wilson?
"Right after the game, say as little as possible." - Coach Landry
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
If JG went and plucked Jimmy Robinson from Green Bay's staff last year...
I would try for Tom Clements this year. He has done a remarkable job with QB’s up there. And he would do the same with the Boys.
Tom Clemments is a good coach but
Aaron Rodgers success was due more to working with Angelo Poli. He is a private trainer and coach in Chico, Ca. He reworked Aaron’s mechanics, along with conditioning and accuracy. He is also working Aaron’s brother Jordan.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
We all know Jerry's problems but he could stay GM
and let JG make the big decisions. We have a better team and Jerry keeps his pride. Or he could bring in Polian as an “analyist” or some title that would be defacto GM. JG needs an OC, preferably Sparano who worked quite well as o-line coach here. Houck apparently doesn’t like grooming young players, so why is he the o-line coach? Even Andy Reid has an OC. With all the confusion in the defense, RR probably needs an offseason to implement his schemes and needs CBs not named Newman or Ball.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
if they get Sporano back to dual role as o-line coach and o-coordinator thats a huge win
however on defense. just about everyone except Rob is expendable. everyone associated with secondary and special teams has to go and the front 7 i’m skeptical of because Ware, Ratliff, and Lee dont need much “coaching” but the bridge in player impact between those three and the rest of the front 7 roster(save for hatcher) is too wide.
If you need a bunch of all-pros to look like a good coach and cant develop any hidden gems then i think it may be time part ways
but the biggest move will be Stephen tricking Jerry into letting him be GM and then bringing in an objective GM from outside who will not succumb to all of Jerry’s demands on draft day or free agency and tell him when a move seems “not wise”
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions
He Has to Go
The long haired hippie has been a constant distraction to the team……and he sucks as a coach. I saw little improvement. The Detroit game was a disaster as was both Giants games. The defense died in the 4th quarter. No ability to provide any pressure with the front 7 and then you try to blitz with corners that cannot cover a 4th grader…….very sad.
Every position coach that has anything to do with the secondary.
Campo, Maxie, and anybody else who has had their grubby hands all over that mess for the past several seasons should have been fired 3 years ago.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
New gm. New coaching staff. Nothing would be sweeter.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Joe D needs to go
intensity alone is not enough
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
+1
His units have under performed in almost every way. I don’t care much for his philosophy either. Beuhler had one of the biggest legs in the league but he had him trying to kick it high and directional it to the corner every single dang time instead of kicking it out of the endzone.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
The eyeball test
Tells me the only assistant I feel we NEED to keep is Wade Wilson. I think Romo is improving year to year and becoming smarter with the football (even considering his two meltdowns this season).
As far as I’m concerned Ryan is overrated, Campo is a schmuck, Houck doesn’t appear all that great and the job Skip Peete is doing seems average. I am looking forward to what a real off season will do for Woicik and the conditioning of this team. I wonder how many of those 4th quarter blown leads had to do with our team being gassed at the end.
"Right after the game, say as little as possible." - Coach Landry
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 AM CST reply actions
Here's my two cents
Ryan out, Spagnuola in
Norv Turner as OC (2nd choice Sparano)
no 4-3 convert pls
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Going back to the 4-3 is going to set us back at least a year
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
DeMarcus is EveryWare Man
Twitter: @silva918
Everyone needs to be fired. Starting with the GM.
Haven’t we seen enough of JG’s box of chocolate offense that in big games come up short time and time again.
Haven’t we seen enough of his game ending coaching decisions my 12 year old nephew on Madden wouldn’t make.
Haven’t we seen enough of subs coming in at the last second because the sideline doesn’t know WTF they are doing.
.
Go look at that Eagles playoff game and look at how they took advantage of Asante.
Has anyone seen them run those quick screens to Asante’s side since then. Anyone.
How many times under JG have you seen this team open the game with a scoring drive.
Not many. I’m talking all the years he’s been here. It’s like he starts a game and doesn’t have a plan. Does he force a defense to play the coverage he wants.
I’m sorry but I’m at the point where I don’t trust anything JJ. does. I don’t trust any of his hires.
The 2010 Cowboys beat one team with a winning record. That would be the Giants. I don’t count the Eagles win at the end of the season because they didn’t play their starters.
In 2011 we only beat one team with a winning record. That would be the 49ers.
That’s two seasons with one win over a team that ended the season with a winning record.
WITH A RECORD LIKE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE FIRED.
Everyone need to go. Starting with the GM.
Only a fool would wait for a soon to be 32 year old undrafted free agent QB to take them to a Superbowl. That interception to Rolle was horrible. It was classic Tony. They were doubling Witten from the line and he never saw it. Keep waiting suckers.
Only a fool would think this team is anywhere close to winning a Superbowl,
To bad for us we have a fool running the team and I refuse to fall for his foolish dreams.
I’ll see you guys around draft time when my draft picks will look 10x better than the guy who’s running the team.
Can’t wait to see if he decides to use our 2nd round pick on a player that can actually help us in his first year instead of being hurt.
by Sharksbreath on Jan 3, 2012 5:21 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Don't be a Debbie Downer. Be patient.
In another 15 years, we are gonna right this ship and win at least another playoff round. That’s a Jerry Jones’ Guarantee, you can take to the bank. We might be known as the Oklahoma City Cowboys by then, but whatever. People have to be patient. Like my mechanic always tells me: “I don’t know if buying the part will fix the problem. But you have to start somewhere.Eventually you’re going to fix the problem or run out of money.”
You rarely see the mistakes of coaches
But we certainly did with ours. Garrett made several glaring mistakes this year. If he’s going to be critical, he should be critical of himself first. He had one of the best off-seasons I’ve ever seen with all of his moves. The Cowboy Way, practice in pads, out with the big dead contracts, etc. But when the games started he didn’t really do all that well. When the media started floating stories about Garrett’s job may be in danger I thought it was crazy talk. Now, I’m trying to be open-minded. I think he needs a seasoned offensive coordinator. And he’s used up all of his rookie mistake cards.
Rob Ryan’s defense frequently looked like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. Our defense was supposed to confuse the opponent, but it seemed to confuse the defense more than anyone else. How in the world can the defense still be trying to figure out where to line up as the ball is being snapped? It happened all season long. No scheme should be so confusing that the frickin’ morons running it can’t even comprehend it. I wasn’t impressed with Rob. For that matter, I’d can the whole defensive staff on principle alone. I think we have a lot of stupid on defense, and the defensive coordinator should have known that. The Eagles particularly made them look stupid. Many offenses made them look bad, but the Eagles, and probably the Giants too made them look bad and dumb.
Joe DeCamillas? Enough already. He was supposed to be some special teams genius, and I’m just not seeing it. We never have seen it. Can his dumb ass. Wow, I wasn’t thinking about any of this until you penned this piece, Tom. Either I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or you got me thinking and I really didn’t like the direction it took. Can we just say it? Our coaching staff sucked as bad as our bad players.
I think a question that has to be floated, which may play into this whole theme is; what the hell happened with Bruce Carter? I know he’s only 12 months removed from knee surgery, but he only saw the field in garbage time. Is this a coaching issue? If you can’t even beat out old and slow, that’s scary. I’m gonna stop now.
If this is just an early morning rant, I don’t want to use up my own malcontent card. It’s a long off-season.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Don't give up...
after one seasons with Garrett. He is ahead of the game…even Sean Payton had a couple of sucky years initially. Maybe it is the players…Joe D did great with Jax…maybe the players on the team are dumb (as I write this…I am already thinking of Allan Ball on ST.) They just need to right the ship and pickup through trade/draft/FA above average talent – likethe Bruce Carter’s of the world.
Thanks for talking me down.
Tom is an instigator and I’m just a restless native. jk, Tom. ;) I can’t help it though. Rereading my rant tonight, I can’t say I actually disagree with anything I said this morning while I was nursing the coffee. We’re going to have to play some of our best cards in free agency and the draft. And we have another boatload of disappointing players to let off at the next dock. This is not a conversation about players either. I’m still talking about coaching. These are coaching moves.
Regarding Rob Ryan. I think he’s running kind of a flavor of the month defense. It’s a novelty. But it’s designed to confuse offenses, and I don’t think it’s doing that. While there’s a great deal of execution that’s not occurring, I have to go back to what the Cowboys of the 70’s and 90’s did. They didn’t trick anyone. Everyone knew what they were going to do, and it was up to the opponent to stop them. We need better players, better coaching, more concise execution, more diversity on offense, and less diversity on defense. If we can do that with this group of coaches, great.
For sure Campo must go. He’s done nothing with the db’s, and he’s had years. I still can’t get the image of Pacman pantsing him. That caused the only time in Wade’s tenure where he actually made a rule for the team.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
The ball skills and technique of the DBs on this team are pathetic...
and have been for quite some time.
Garrett and Jerry both love Campo though, so we’ll see.
Pathetic football team.
Pahtetic leadership…..many more years of mediocrity
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
It all depends on who is available to be hired
Obviously we won’t hire any of the recently fired coaches other than Sparano. Both Spags and Morris are 4-3 guys plus I think Garrett really likes Ryan.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Haley come back as O.C. but I think Garrett wants to handle those responsibilities much like Payton does in N.O.
Possibly if somebody comes available to coach the secondary, replace him with Campo but quite honestly I don’t think our secondary sucks because of coaching, they suck because of lack of ability and talent.
In Romo we Trust
Payton is far superior to Garrett.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
I hate we let Payton get away
Always wonder how may Super Bowls we would have with him.. A big no to Haley..he is a scumbag. He tries to be a jerk like Parcells and its not working for him
by dcsince77 on Jan 3, 2012 8:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
woah. He might not be a likeable guy. But why is he a scumbag?
Its not like he’s a drunk driver (Ward)
an accused serial rapist (Roethlesberger)
or a dog killer.
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
scumbag might been a little too much
Jerk is more like it
by dcsince77 on Jan 4, 2012 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
definitely a Jerk
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
You are making this decision...
based on one year of coaching? Payton was 7-9 and 8-8 after going 10-6 in his first year. Let’s see how Garrett does after 6 years of coaching to make that call.
+1
According to those facts…Peyton started off looking like a genius, then not a genius for two years…and then a genius again. But then he loses to a 7-9 team last year…back to not being a genius…now he is 13-3….ouch my head hurts.
In 05 Payton wanted to trade away Romo for a 3rd Rounder
And the rest is history
Campo needs to be canned.....
& Joe D should be shown the door…….Then we need an Cffensive Coor to help JG. His in game adjustments all season long have been slow to the punch in every game we played this season.
He can still own the offense and put together the game plans but someone needs to be there that can “QA” some of the plays called in the flow of the game.
WHY IS EVERYBODY YELLING HERE???
Can’t we all just talk quietly?
Don't believe everything you think.
I think Dallas should hire a new HC and all new assts. every year.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
I'd give Rob Ryan another year
with some turnover on Defensive players of course.
I just think we have a lot of untalented, dumb players on defense. how many times did we see them obviously confused or in the right position and still not make the play? too many to count.
as soon as i heard earlier in the year that Rob had to simplify or dumb down his defense I knew there wasn’t much hope for this defense.
Wade had to dumb down his defense to the point where other teams were laughing at how vanilla and easy to read it was.
Wade in his first year, has made the texans defense pretty damn good. we will see if it lasts…but still impressive.
its no coincidence that two D coordinators felt they had to dumb down the defense with almost exactly the same players.
by beWARE94 on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
someone needs to go see the patriots drafts
how many of those players are doing well or still around. check out the past 5-6 years.
Parcells drafts were pretty horrid. Ware was a Jones pick. Romo was Sean Payton. Who of any signficance was his picks? Ratliff and Witten and Bradie James. Who else? He passed on Stephen Jackson, he picked Jacob Rogers and Stephern Petermen. He was not the greatest drafter that strum makes him out to be…
Ryan has to go or the D will suck again. Stop with the "Lockout" nonsense!
Every other team had the lockout-didn’t ours practice more? His first year? It’s not THAT complicated.
the guy showed no creativity, no ability to improve his players, no flexibility.
He’s married to his scheme and nothing else. His D will never beat good teams.
And JC needs an OC for a couple of years, Norv would be great. An older guy to help him out for a while.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
It's not the off season that hurt It's the lack of offensive talent.
Buddy Ryan couldn’t have done anything with the awful talent of Ball and Newman. Scandrick is just average, Jenkins is good but hurt most of the time. Sensabaugh and Elam have no range at all. Ware is the only pass rushing threat. Spencer is a loser, and slacker. our DE’s aren’t very good. Hatcher and Lissemore are decent back up/role players but not starters. Brady James and Brooking are like a hundred and looked it last year. It’s the lack of talent. It’s the years of busted draft picks. This was a rebuilding year. This team went 8-8 because that’s how much talent they have. A new defensive coordinator will make no difference. RR needs to be given a chance to do what he can with decent players.
I've seen his schemes for a season now. They're ridiculous, and easily exploited.
Anybody can win w/great talent. A coach’s job is to improve and maximize what he has.
Ryan was awful.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Jan 6, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
my fires
Campo
Maxie
DeCamillis
Houck
Don’t want no olden goldies like Norval
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
Face the truth-it hurts
Like most Cowboy fans, I have seriously overestimated the talent of certain players for too long. For example, my denial of Terrence Newman"s value ( and speed) was viciously exposed by the Giants. I was the last to see how Felix Jones is not a game breaker but just an average running back. And for the coaches, I bought into the hype about Campo and DeCamillas probably cause they are such nice guys. The truth however is that DeCamillas is average and Campo is just plain awful.
Less Than You Might Think
Given how disappointing the season was. SOME of the problems stemmed from injuries to players; a factor it isn’t reasonable to hold the coaches accountable for. De Camillas is still a keeper. As for Campo;that decision will depend upon which is operational at the time Jerry makes the decision; his ego or his desire to win. Because, while I’ll grant that Spencer has to go and a better pass rush WILL help the DB’s in coverage; his (Campo’s) personnel decisions (keeping BALL and letting McCann get away for example) have been WAY off the mark And, Maxie needs to go with him.. As for Houck; given the lack of NFL experience of MOST of the Oline; IF they swap Free and Smith next year things should look MUCH better up front. (I SURELY don’t want them bringing in a Howard Mudd!)
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
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