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The 2012 BTB Mock Draft Challenge

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Time for some mock draft fun.

Last Sunday was the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft, and a record 65 declared. Today, CBSSports.com updated its Big Board of 700+ players. The challenge for you: create a mock draft based on the CBS Big Board.

Post your mock in the comments section, and the BTB community will rec those mocks they like the most. I will feature the top vote-getters and their mocks in a front page post. But you can't just pick whatever players you like. The rules after the break:

Leaderboard Update, 3:00 AM, 1/23:

21 Rec's: TheCowboyWay
12-13 Rec's: Rohpuri, Blue Eyed Devil, Rena, Trueblue122
10-11 Rec's: Birddog26, Creasy 729
8-9 Rec's: Chiacrack, birdness, death of the cool, randyd
6-7 Rec's: Textaz03, ziggy19, Tom Ryle, Lissyyyyy, jack dein
5 Rec's: Tennessee_Jed, Alpha, WB3forMB3, HarrisburgCowboysfan

Please don't be stingy with your rec's for the mocks below. If you like it, rec' it. Please also consider some of the newer mocks towards the end of the thread.

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  • We will assume that all draft-eligible players will be available at exactly the spot the CBS Big Board puts them at.
  • Dallas owns the no. 14, 45, 82, 113, 144, 175 and 213 picks. No compensatory picks awarded yet.
  • You pick at your exact spot or anywhere below that (e.g. 14th or anywhere from 15 to 25 or so)
  • You cannot trade down, because it would be too easy to trade to the exact spot your prospect is sitting at.
  • You may however trade up using this handy draft pick value calculator und the draft value chart immediately below it. The value you give up in the trade up must be equal to or greater than the value you receive, e.g. your 14th (1,100 pts) and your 45th (450 pts) picks could get you the 7th pick (1,500 pts).

As you read through the comments section, look for mocks that you like and rec' them (Press the action link at the bottom of the comment box, then press the Rec button next to the star). Remember, the best mocks will be featured on the front page, so put some thought into your mock.

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I'll start it off with the following mock draft:

My trades

14+82+175 for Seattle's 12+106+202+208 (1,302.4 for 1,293.6 points)
113+202+205 for Miami's 104 (90 point for 86 points)

1. (12) Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

2. (47) Chase Minnefield, CB, Virginia

4. (104) Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State

4. (106) Aaron Henry, FS, Wisconsin

5. (149) Mike Harris, CB, Florida State

7. (221) Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State

You wouldn't give up a third to move up two spots in the first round? Go ahead and show us your mock. And just for laughs, you can also look up last year's version of this little contest by following this link.

Another user-created commentary provided by a BTB reader.

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Been demoted OCC?

Did you mean to put this in as a fanpost?

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Jan 20, 2012 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Here we go.

This is going to be fun.

Last year’s was entertaining. Of course, looking back at my picks last year at this time of the year, I was woefully off. Time to learn from my mistakes.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

Challenge accepted

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not good at the trade vale thing but...

1. Michael Brokers DL,LSU, . If Decastro isn’t there, this is our 1st round sleeper.
2. Stephen Gilmore, CB, SC . Deep CB calss, 1st round talent in the 2nd.
3. David Molk, C, Michigan
4. Lucas Nix, OG, PITT
6. Jay Howard, DT, Florida
7. Drew Butler, P, Georgia

by Bermystar on Jan 20, 2012 4:54 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

What were your trades?

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't trade..

Don’t know enough about the trade value chart. I see how my comment made you think I was gonna try…my bad.

by Bermystar on Jan 20, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to trade in order to pick the players that you did

Brockers and Gillmore are above our draft slots… not that I would be upset with them ;)

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah Man

I’m high on Brokers, he’s still yet to scrape the ceiling…

by Bermystar on Jan 21, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Only one guy last year in that thread got our first pick correct

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/1/17/1940403/the-mock-draft-challenge#57210105

Congrats, can he do it again?

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Jan 20, 2012 5:03 PM CST reply actions  

Nice, ham

its a lot of fun to look back at what people cam up with last year, before the player rankings became more firmly settled

by rabblerousr on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Idk if this will get seen

I can’t remember if there was a post done about it either, but wouldn’t it be interesting to do a post about where people were ranked before the combine and then before the draft, to see maybe whats more truer the tale of the tape or the tale of the workout. If that makes sense?!

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Jan 21, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

great idea

but it would require a lot of tracking, more than I’ve time for.

Perhaps OCC, the human computer, might give it a shot???

by rabblerousr on Jan 24, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I like a lot of your picks

Bout doubt they will be available. I’m big on Burfict but to think he will get passed on by every team…TWICE. Would be nice though.

by Bermystar on Jan 20, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it plays out like that either

but just played the board and value. In real-life Burfict won’t fall past the Ravens in round one, if that far. Seeing as the combine and FA has yet to occur, I see this excise as more about maximizing current value as opposed to one in realism… IMO the value board is just out of whack… but its all that we have to go on for this exercise.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Man guys, I would steer clear of Burfict, he ain't right in the head.

In my opinion he could be the next Charles Haley, incredibly talented but with severe anger issues. That would be the plus side right.

But it’s a different league with Goodale in charge than 30 years ago. I think there’s a better chance he’s like Lawrence Phillips, a former #6 draft pick of the Rams that flamed out of the NFL despite immense talent. His off the field troubles in general, and with the law in particular, kept him from developing on the field and eventually out of both the NFL and CFL all together.

I guess it’s my opinion that there is enough talent out there that there’s no need to be a high roller for Burfict in the 3rd just b/c you feel like you could get 1st rd. talent there. I think a 3rd rd. talent that is less of a gamble can solidify this team much more than a potential star that could flame out. A team isn’t built on blue chippers, it’s built on the meat and potatoes of the middle rounds with bluechippers sprinkled in to add the firepower.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 20, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Burfict, to my understanding, has no legal problems. It's just controlling his emotions on the field.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

no legal problems yet. that was what Phillips had but not the overall point.

The point is having a problem child on our roster, a guy that is not mentally stable. Even his own mother says he’s not quite right. The dude draws a couple personal fouls every game it seems and they are flagrant. He got benched by his coach in the bowl game because his lack of discipline and inability to control himself and think was hurting the defensive effort more than helping it.

Bottom line is this dude is not mentally balanced and I think it’s nuts to bring that kind of guy into our locker room.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand the hesitation

But in the 3rd round, he is well worth the risk (passing on the fact that in the real draft there is no way he makes it there).

He definitely needs to be… “coached down” i guess, but to be honest they need to keep his aggressiveness and emotions, while eliminating the stupid mistakes and penalties. Our defense could use an attitude like that… Could you imagine this guy playing and then having Ball screw up a coverage for a touchdown? I bet Ball would be headed back to the bench without anything to sit on… That sort of accountability amongst the players is sorely lacking..

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it will go down that way. He isn't a leader.

Also, if we were talking 5th round, I’d be more inclined to take a risk. We’re not, we’re talking about gambling in the 3rd round, where I believe we can still get a pretty good player. I believe we got DeMarco Murray in the 3rd rd last year, the Jets got Shon Greene in ’09. Some other 3rd rounders from ’09 include Brandon Tate, Mike Wallace. The giants Victor Cruz and our own Tony Romo were UDFA.

The 3rd rd. can yield solid talent that can help rebuild the foundation of this team. Jimmy Johnson didn’t build the 90’s Cowboys off the premier talent he found in rounds 1 and 2. That team’s highlight plays came from 1st and 2nd rounders but TEAM as a whole was the product of outstanding drafting in the middle rounds.

I would not trade draft picks, especially a round where real good talent can still be found relatively easily, away in order to take a risk on a guy who has exhibited an inability to lead, an imbalanced mental makeup, and a general lack of smarts. I hate to beat up on the guy but this is almost universally accepted analysis on him.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I am well aware of the talent available in the 3rd rounds

and beyond. I have been following the draft for quite some time.

And more to the point, we will take your example of Demarco Murray. Why was he available in the 3rd? Mileage and medical issues. Otherwise, as the holder of quite a few of Oklahoma’s records, he would have been a much higher pick. We took a GAMBLE in the 3rd round on a player that had high boom/bust potential, and we came out ahead.
There have been several other 3rd round picks that were considered “safe” and have been complete misses as well (Marten, Brewester, etc).. in fact I would venture to say that the entire draft is a crapshoot, as even solid top picks bust all the time. Its simple risk/reward.

I won’t disagree with your assessment of him, however, you don’t need to gamble needlessly with your 3rd rounder, but if you can get a top 10 talent with that pick, you do it, because the payoff at that point outweighs the risk. Which is what many teams will be looking at doing when the draft rolls around.

As I said arguing this point with you is mute, because he will not go in the third anyway. He will be a late first/early second rounder. But the fact remains that in the third his value out weighs his risk (otherwise if he didn’t have the risks you stated he would be a top 1st).

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

This is so true.
in fact I would venture to say that the entire draft is a crapshoot, as even solid top picks bust all the time. Its simple risk/reward.

There is no sure thing. All picks carry risk. It is the team’s ability to evaluate and maximize the chance of good results that is the big difference between good and bad drafts.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i can see how it comes down to an opinion.

I have a strong opinion that his demonstrated mental makeup falls woefully short of what we probably need on our defense, which is smarter players.

I would consider Murray’s risk slight as players have come back from knee injuries often and medical issues like his are far less risky than head cases like Burfict. But, that is an opinion.

I guess we’ll see how Burfict’s career goes, I don’t have any faith in it whatsoever and our team has too many needs to be taking even more of a gamble than normal on a guy that has nothing but raw instincts and athleticism going for him. I think you have to be smarter at the NFL level.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 2:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Opinion yes, we are all of course entitled to them
our team has too many needs to be taking even more of a gamble than normal on a guy that has nothing but raw instincts and athleticism going for him. I think you have to be smarter at the NFL level.

But I’d wager there are 32 NFL front offices that will disagree with you.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not just on the field.

Like last year he laid in wait in the locker room for a WR on the team after practice and sucker punched him when he came in. The WR was laying there unresponsive for a short time after he hit him, then got up and started swinging back when it was broken up.
He takes plays off, is lazy, gets disinterested in the game and is content to disappear. Doesn’t read his cues in the backfield and just picks a gap randomly to rush, etc.

Pass

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 4:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't believe everything you read
Early reports of Arizona State linebacker Vontaze Burfict sucker punching teammate Kevin Ozier appear to have been exaggerated. According to SB Nation Arizona’s sources, the alleged assault in the locker room never happened as reported. Doug Haller of AZCentral.com also reported that the initial story by SportsByBrooks was wrong in many details.

According to these sources, there was an altercation between the two in the Sun Devils’ locker room. Each player got a punch off, Burfict first, before the altercation was broken up. That is far from the first report of a blindside sucker punch.

As for Burfict’s absence during Saturday’s media day, Haller reports that Burfict chose not to attend. Burfict has talked little with the media since he arrived on campus, so this wasn’t out of the ordinary. Haller also notes that an Arizona State spokesman has indicated that large portions of the original report are fabricated.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 5:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I also found this an overly harsh assesment
He takes plays off, is lazy, gets disinterested in the game and is content to disappear. Doesn’t read his cues in the backfield and just picks a gap randomly to rush, etc.

This guy is always around the ball… I can see some points in a game where some of this can be seen, but overall it was far from the norm. If anything he was over aggressive more times than not and would run himself out of a play. Did you actually watch any of his games to come to this conclusion? He wasn’t perfect but man you make the guy sound like he doesn’t know how to play at all.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 5:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't watch any of his complete games, just highlights and I did extensive reading about him from several sources.

I will link several stories about him, the first is a piece from BGN where they looked into him and what they feel about him. The 2nd is a long, but very well written detailed scouting report. It lists everything, positive and negative about him and appears to be done very well. I will also include NFP, WB and Raf for other view points.

Extremely overaggressive to the point where it became a major issue; routinely flagged for late hits. Football intelligence is lacking; struggles to diagnose misdirection plays and frequently over-commits in the wrong direction. Does a poor job keeping his eyes in the backfield and adjusting to the play when blitzing. Struggles dropping into coverage; taken off the field in many obvious passing situations when not being used to blitz. Headbutted Oregon State quarterback Ryan Katz in 2010. Comments: Burfict has been a big-time playmaker since arriving on campus in 2009. Unfortunately, he has shown little improvement in that span. When casually watching Arizona State, Burfict immediately jumps out because he’s all over the field and always around the football. A close look, however, reveals his poor instincts and complete lack of discipline. His reputations as a dirty player is well know and, even if his late hits don’t come with ill-intentions, he’s still consistently putting his team in bad situations due to the penalties he racks up. At worst, he’s flat-out dirty; at best, he’s just plain stupid. Either way, Burfict is often a detriment to his team. He clearly has the raw talent of a 1st-rounder, but has yet to show the maturity to warrant that status. Videos: 2011 vs USC
2011 vs Illinois
When he stays low and extends his arms can be violent on contact when looking to shed. However, when he’s not into the game mentally gets upright and can be overwhelmed and ridden out of the play. Instincts are a bit inconsistent. Will under run plays at times trying to create in the backfield, showcasing the ability to find the ball inside, read his run keys and play off opposing linemen’s proper shoulder. However, at times just plays out of control and looks to be guessing which gap to shoot as opposed to reading his keys inside taking himself out of big plays.
But you put the tape on, and this guy is really freaking talented. Then you watch him just lose his cool during games. There are situations where he’ll take two and three personal foul penalties, and they’re dumb penalties, and they really begin to affect his game. He really struggles to handle his emotions and it really wears on his defense, and then he’s not as aggressive. His motor slows down. He gets upright. He struggles to get off blocks.
The only times you will see Burfict playing out of control is when he’s not focused and he just throws his body into plays; plays in which he pops upright while going through the motions. …But aside from the maturity issues, Burfict’s consistency in his hustle and motor are the second biggest concern..

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/1/14/2707736/vontaze-burfict-the-follow-up
http://optimumscouting.com/rankings/scouting-reports/nfl-draft-scouting-report-vontaze-burfict-ilb-arizona-state.html
http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/vontaze_burfict_scouting_report/9277781
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Vontaze-Burfict-Debate-6182.html
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01/wes-bunting-answers-your-mail-interior.html

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 7:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I am sorry but this couldn't be further from the truth
A team isn’t built on blue chippers, it’s built on the meat and potatoes of the middle rounds with bluechippers sprinkled in to add the firepower.

A team is built on blue chip talent. Period. Having a team full of JAGs will get you no where. That is why teams constantly look to upgrade at every position, every year.
By your logic, the entire draft is inconsequential, and every front office in the NFL needs to be fired because they are doing business the wrong way.

The only reason a team even has JAGs is because a) they cannot afford a better player, or b) there are currently no better players available that fit in the budget.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think we are on two different pages.

If a guy gets drafted in the 4th or 5th round he’s not a JAG necessarily. A lot of good RB’s come in that area. We’ve got plenty of guys that were not found on Day 1 of the draft.

This isn’t baseball, if there were a single team in the NFL that had a roster of 22 bluechippers they’d be so far beyond the cap it’d be ridiculous. So maybe we can change the word from Blue Chipper to obvious first round talent. Does that make it easier for you to understand my position on Burfict?

I’d rather have a good solid NFL athlete from the 3rd round, who probably belongs in the 3rd round even, than take a risk on Burfict (who has 1st round, All Star talent). But by saying that, I am not saying I’d rather take a guy off the street than take a flyer on Burfict. What’s wrong with 3rd rounders?

The majority of NFL talent is made up of a lot of these later round picks that develop better than anticipated, and more importantly, work very well within their systems for a reasonable price that allows those teams to pay the Tom Bradys, Peyton Mannings, Osi Umeniyoras, and Charles Woodsons of the NFL.

I mean, if there’s an NFL team that is the parallel of the NY Yankees out there I’d like you to point them out to me because as far as I know the Salary Cap makes this a game of having a lot of blue collar types with a handful of all star, truly game breaking athletes.

I think you just latched onto a word and attacked that thought without considering the overall context of the discussion.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

that is completely INCORRECT

The team IS built on blue chippers.

Although you only have a few of them, the blue chippers (or superstar players as I like to call them) are what give the team its identity. If you have meat and potatoes QB, RB, WR, LB and CBs, then what kind of team are you? Defensive minded? Passing team? Running team?

The truth is, every team has lots of average to solid guys but they are there to SUPPORT the blue chippers in getting the job done. The Patriots are successful because of Brady, Welker and the TEs – not because of the average/meat and potato LBs or secondary.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Mr. Hammer meet nail

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I must not be communicating very well

as I do believe the superstars give identity and do the scoring. In order to accomplish that there are far more support players required. It’s like that for anything. I’m in the AF and our pilots accomplish the actual mission objectives. But those pilots can’t get where they need to go or do what they need to do without a really large support force in a multitude of areas. Any building is built on the non-descript stuff, the girders, the concrete foundation, not the flashy cosmetic sculpting.

I’m talking about simple ratios here, I’m not sure how that is confusing. You have more support players than you have superstars. You have more rounds to draft support players and better chances of finding them than you do superstars. A superstar at QB, one WR, and a RB coupled with good guys that have productive seasons but don’t make a Pro-Bowl that season can win and win consistently.

We have, what, 7 draft picks this year and more holes to fill than that. Meanwhile, we have Romo, Murray, Witten, Dez, Miles, Jenkins, Ratliff, and Ware, in superstar roles. Tyron Smith and Doug Free may be entering this realm as well.

We’re loaded on the offensive side and could use some more on the defensive side. However, we also have a lot more holes to fill and we can’t fill them all with an All-Pro. In the 3rd round, why not get a guy that has maybe a 70% chance of being a strong player for you at one of those holes as opposed to risking it on a potential superstar that has just as much chance to be out of the NFL in a few seasons?

We will be drafting next year also, save your superstar picks for the rounds you have much better chances of getting them, much beter players at that position, etc. NE can afford to draft like what is being suggested here, we can’t. We are behind the 8 ball talent wise and if we hit on Burfict it wouldn’t be as much of a plus as if we totally missed on him. Poorly spent draft choices is what has got us in this position.

Burfict is a different risk all together from a guy like Sean Lee or Bruce Carter. Physical injuries are much easier to check out and determine whether rehab will work or not. Inability to grasp defensive schemes, complete lack of discipline, and mental imbalance is something different altogether. This is the kind of risk that can have a domino like negative impact and hurt for years to come as we try to “salvage” the potential in this particular player. This guy is Pacman Jones all over again. Pacman had tons of talent coming out of college, but he didn’t last long, ran into all kinds of off the field trouble, and eventually lost his confidence.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 AM CST up reply actions  

PJohn

Glad to read a post from a fellow AFer…let me see if I can put it in similar terms.

Each AF Wing has several groups. Among them are the Ops group, the Med group, the Maintenance group and the Support group. Med group has the flight docs who keep the pilots (and everyone else healthy). The Maintenance group maintain the planes in flyable condition for the pilots to fly. The Support group is charged with maintaining the buildings, fences, streets and such so that the pilots (yes, and everyone else) have a suitable base to work. But the Ops group is THE reason why the base exists. The Pilots and direct support of them (including the weather folks, life support, etc.) are the MISSION. W/o the Ops group, there really is no reason for the base to exist.

And, within that Ops group you have superstar pilots and you have average ones. The superstar pilots are those that are the Weapon School or Test Pilot school grads that are 4 ship flight leads – they’re the ones who you plan the missions around. They’re the ones w/ the max capability to fly, avoid the enemy radars and deliver the bombs on target. They are the ones who make all of the other “average” pilots better.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think y'all are all saying the same thing, just in a different way.

IMo all Pjohn is saying is that yes, you need some superstars, but that due to the salary cap most of your team will be lunchbox, blue collar workers. He says that you still get solid players in the 3rd round. Some positions just aren’t valued as high as others, so they tend to get drafted later unless there is a superstar available. Such as RB, TE, OG, etc.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

If you can find a defensive player

That has potential to be a superstar i the 3rd round, then you’ve gotten good value. It’s a cheaper risk than taking him in the first. If he performs well, then he’ll be compensated accoringly in his future contracts.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, you got it. But they have it too. The whole thing is down to an opinion.

I do believe a 3rd rd. guy has a good chance to be a solid contributor and we have so many holes to fill that we need more of these guys in addition to the 1st day draftees.

Their thinking is that Burfict is a surefire first round talent from a purely athletic standpoint that will slip due to concerns over character, mental stability, and general smarts. The guy is a really good athlete on the field, and they are right. What they are saying is that Burfict is worth the risk in the 3rd round.

What I am saying is that Burfict’s kind of red flags are much more risky than your typical season ending injury which is the kind of red flag we normally see that drops an otherwise 1st round talent to the 2nd or 3rd (see Sean Lee, Bruce Carter for examples). IMO, and I stress the O in that, Burfict’s type of red flags are far more risky and impossible to gauge.

Because of this, I deem him too much of a risk for the 3rd rd. where I think we should play it safe due to all the holes we have to fill. I would, however, take him in the 4th or 5th (Canty went in the 4th, even though he had 1st rd. grades, due to a detatched eye. That was deemed a significantly more dangerous and unknowable risk than a torn MCL for instance).

So it really is a difference of opinion and evaluation. They are very excited about the possibility of getting a guy with Burfict’s talent for so cheap whereas I deem it foolhardy and overly risky considering that there will be plenty of very solid talent available in that round. After round 3 it gets much more sketchy.

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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Playing it safe is what lead to Jerry taking Ellis over Randy Moss in 1998

The lack of Randy Moss on the offense is the reason Dallas lost 20-7 in the playoffs to Arizona. Anthony Miller, and Kevin Williams weren’t getting the job done. We all know what happened in 1999. Jerry ended up signing Rocket Ismail, and then gave the Seattle Seahawks the draft picks to build a SB Contender in acquiring Joey Galloway. That trade crippled this team until 2003. That trade wouldn’t have happened if he just took Randy Moss.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, that's true and it's the same risk I'm willing to take here

I consider Burfict to be the kind of risk not worth taking in round three because I don’t have much faith he will be the kind of player that lasts for long in the NFL unless he gets in a system that has tremendous leadership and simply allows him to react rather than diagnose.

You throw out the classic counter of Randy Moss but for every Moss there have been more flameouts than hits. There’s a reason these players drop, some are worth the risk and some are not. Pacman Jones had unbelievable skills and couldn’t make it. Ditto for Ryan Leaf, who had all the physical tools and none of the brains or responsibility. Tony Mandarich weighed 304 lbs. and ran a 4.65 40 but was addicted to painkillers and had plenty of other off the field concerns. JaMarcus Russell was a can’t miss talent and we all know his whole sad story. Mike Williams has turned his career around some but was, at one point, out of the NFL altogether after several DUI’s and a degrading level of performance that didn’t begin that high in the first place. Even the man you mentioned, Moss, has been the weak link on his team before. People will remember him for the bookends of his career, but he also straight quit playing on multiple occasions. I can only imagine what those locker rooms were like as he became a cancer to the team.

Medical concerns can be evaluated and will often heal over time, many times with no lingering adverse affects. Character problems stick around much longer, cause a whole slew of issues both on the field and off, and effect the team as a whole. You can treat a bad knee but you can’t beat stupid.

I maintain my stance, there are too many good to great athletes that can be had in the 3rd round to waste it on what amounts to Russian Roulette with one player at the LB’er position.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The only real issue is

the draft is a box of chocolates (stolen from Forrest Gump). Since it’s impossible to truly KNOW the capabilities of that 1st round pick until 2 years later, you have to be very careful of the ‘style’ of players you draft to complement that talent.

For instance, the Colts drafted Manning w/ the 1st overall pick and quickly started building a team around him. No longer a running team (Eric Dickerson be damned), they went w/ Wayne, Harris, Collie, Clark, etc. They built a defense that was a pass rushing/defending while blatantly ignoring their run defense capabilities. Their gameplan was to win the coin toss, get out to an early lead then pin their ears back and go after the opponents QB w/ Mathis and co.

Yes, the team has quite a few 2nd through 5th rounders playing but the crux of the team is defined by Manning (1st), Freeney (1st), Clark (1st), Wayne (1st) and a host of early 2nd round CBs and FS to include Bob Sanders.

And to your point about the good to great athlets in the later (3rd) rounds – you’re right. But whenever and ifever a team gets a chance at a superstar, elite, game changing talent, they should NOT forego selecting him just to trade down and pick up 2 solid players in the 2nd or 3rd round.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope, I believe that is situational.

In this situation it is not worth the risk imo. If we gambled with our troops lives on every high risk/high reward operation we’d never win a war. Risk analysis is the name of the game and I think Burfict is too much risk when a good player at much less risk can be had.

It all depends on the scouting department, they know more than we do. But if they gave Burfict a grade on potential of 90 out of a 100 with a “risk of not developing” score of 78 while giving Tank Carder a grade on potential of 85 and a “risk of not developing” score of 37 I take Carder all day long.

I’m not saying those scores are accurate but that’s what my guess is right now. That’s the kind of numbers I see us playing with at round 3.

Now, I’ll flip you a guy I would take a risk on..again, this is kind of made up and just for example.

Let’s say VT CB Jayron Hosely, who had an injury riddled 2011 campaign, had actually missed the whole year due to a knee injury. If he passed my medical checkup and it was going to take a year to rehab completely, I take that guy without hesitation if he fell to me. That’s the kind of 1st rd. talent falling to 3rd round talent I would gamble on. Carter was exactly that last season and I was very happy with the pick.

So I agree with you in principle but I do not believe it is an ABSOLUTE rule that is applied to every player and every circumstance. Burfict is too risky at rd. 3 imo.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Specifically for Burfict

3rd round sounds about right. Why? Because of the contract that can be signed with him there. Any team should be able to bring him on board w/ a as little guaranteed $ as possible (like in the hundreds of thousands) and if needed, he could be cut w/o little impact to the cap.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

On that end I absolutely agree with you

But my stance remains the same b/c I feel the best way to build a team is through the draft and to do that you need to stack good drafts together. There are some pretty good players that will be available at that position and I don’t think Burfict can be successful on this Dallas team. maybe with Baltimore or, frighteningly enough, I feel he could be an outstanding fit in Detroit. But not in Dallas. I feel the risk of him flaming out here is so great that it’s nearly assured and we just miss out on a good player that we have to wait another whole year on.

Now, maybe I’m wrong and Burfict goes on to have an All-Pro career with some mischief involved, ala Lawrence Taylor or Ray Lewis, but I personally am willing to hedge my bets and accept those consequences if they pan out that way. If we were GB, NE, or even SF I’d be far more apt to take the risk. As it is, we have a lot of holes to fill and a winning culture to continue cultivating.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the age old debate

What is the TRUE value of a knucklehead and how do you balance their potential worth vs. their potential for destruction. It was a question w/ TO and is a question now. And, I’m sure it’ll be a question for some other knucklehead in the 2040 draft.

Of course, it all depends on just how disruptive the prospect is expected to be. In the case of Burfict, I’m probably more familiar than most in that I’m a USC alum and he had signed a letter of intent w/ them only to canx it and go to Az State. Now, I know this happens alot w/ HS kids, but when you couple that with all the stunts he pulled in college, he hasn’t shown the ability to mature. And, I don’t know what it will take for him to do so. Look at DeSean Jackson. Hell, even our own Marty B isn’t fully “there” yet.

In the case of Burfict, if he’s there in the 3rd round, then I take the chance. You may not and I certainly wouldn’t blame you for not doing so, but I would.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 22, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep...that was an excellent discussion though

to flesh out thought processes and the reasons behind them.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 22, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, no way no how, I think it would be stupid to take Burfict if he even falls to the 3rd which he probably won't.

Here’s a few names that might be available in the 3rd round. Players rise and fall with workouts and further evaluation but this is a enough players that a few of them should be available when we pick.

Travis Lewis (OLB, OU), LaMichael James (change of pace back, UO), Kirk Cousins (QB, MSU), Orson Charles (TE, UGA), Kevin Zeitler (OG, Wisc.), Nate Potter (OT, BSU), Brandon Boykin (CB, UGA), Tank Carder (LB, TCU), Robert Lester (S, Bama), Jeff Fuller (WR, aTm), Doug Martin (RB, BSU)

I didn’t list positions we need but just threw some names out that are currently projected to be around the 3rd round for a view of the kind of talent available.

So, for example, I feel Burfict is a High Risk/High Reward guy. But I think Tank Carder is a Low Risk/High Reward guy. Vontaze is better athletically, Tank is better in diagnosis. If both of them hit I feel Vontaze is like Antonio Gates and Tank is like Jason Witten. In other words, if there’s any drop off at all it is minimal and I feel tank has a much better chance of success.

I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010

by pjohn56 on Jan 21, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You talk aboit building through the draft

Taking Burfict in the 3rd round, IS building through the draft.

He’s a guy I do believe, that Jason, Rob, Lee, Ware, and Ratliff can keep in line. This defense also needs a guy who isn’t a prissy soft guy. The soft label attached to this defense year in and year out is instantly removed.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 22, 2012 7:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

JaMarcus wasn't a can't miss talent

The Raiders got mocked for taking him #1 overall.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 22, 2012 7:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice Breakdown

AF Weather guy right here!

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by 88Deztined46 on Jan 21, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you tell

I’m a lifer in the Ops group – LOL

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

A team isn’t built on blue chippers, it’s built on the meat and potatoes of the middle rounds with bluechippers sprinkled in to add the firepower.

I think it is exactly the opposite

JAGs don’t matter that much.

You draft a bust – you replace him a with a JAG
Draft a JAG – you still got a JAG
Miss out on a great player – you feel sick.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Every time you post

This entire board feels sick…

by Proxy406 on Jan 22, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

just going off value on the board. I would be ecstatic though if it played out that way.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Just about what I did.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I decided to do mine a little differently but I like a lot of what you did.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Ingram can be had later than 14

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I really think we need to grab an interior o-lineman somewhere

preferably probably a center like Ben Jones who isn’t graded too far behind Konz on NFP

by HowBoutThemBoys on Jan 23, 2012 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

And yes, I ignored the O-line. Sign a FA center and I think our O-line will be fine.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

A little early seeing how the combine hasn't happened yet.

I went and looked at last years post. Wow Alot of Ahmad Black and Derek Sherrod in thos mocks. Some of those mocks had first and second rounders in the third and fourth round. LOL. Way too early but I will admit it’s a fun exercise.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Jan 20, 2012 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

We’ll repeat this after the combine when the boards have settled – and it’ll be a lot of fun to go back after the draft and look at what we were all thinking just a few months earlier.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

OK OFF THE MEDS LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE MY PICS ....... LOL

1.DE- Nick Perry
2.CB- Stephen Gilmore
3.OG- Senio Kelemte
4.FS- Tremain Thomas
5.OC- Phillip Blake
6.DT- Akiem Hicks
7.FB- Cody Johnson

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 20, 2012 5:30 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Saw Akiem Hicks

on NFP today, looks intriguing.

Plus, I would love to see Joe Buck bumble and fumble over him and Hakeem Nicks when we play the giants. His head would probably explode.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay...

1. Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
2. Stephen Gilmore CB South Carolina
3. Senio Kelemete OG Washington
4. Mike Martin DT Michigan
5. Brandon Taylor SS LSU
6. Mychal Kendricks ILB California
7. Kellen Moore QB Boise State

by DCyanks21 on Jan 20, 2012 5:43 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

what did you trade to pick up Gillmore (he is 42)

though you could probably substitute minnifield and not loose much…
Will have to look into Kelemete haven’t read too much about him…

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

SDSU Alum, rec'd

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Only thing is, I think 2nd Rd is a bit high for Lindley

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoops I need to get my glasses checked, sorry

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's the QB's I would really look into.

Russell Wilson Wisconsin
Kirk Cousins Michigan State
Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State (Only if you want a career backup though. He’s old for a draft pick.)
Kellen Moore Boise State
Case Keenum Houston

by DCyanks21 on Jan 20, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Kirk Cousins

almost took him in the mock but moore at 7 just presents too much value

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

Love Cousins. But Moore just has that x factor you look for in a QB. He’s a winner.

Melvin Ingram...

by DCyanks21 on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I see the later rounds much the same way.

So a rec here.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

FYI I am depending on signing a FA C for this mock.

And assuming that 2 of the current guys we have can handle the 2 G spots.
Some mix of Holland, Arkin, Nagy, Costa and Kosier.

by Rena on Jan 20, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much what I did.

I would be pretty pleased with this.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this draft, Recd

I see CBS is already slotting Norman in the 3rd. Been watching him in practice this week for the Shrine game. They have his stats off though. He is about 6’1" to 6’2" and his 40 time is of. His play speed is at about 4.4 to 4.45. Looking forward to getting a clock on him at the combine.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 21, 2012 2:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, I'll try

#14 Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St. (6’4/295)
#45 Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin (6’4/318)
#82 Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina (6’0/203)

  1. Alameda Ta’amu, DT, Washington (6’3/337)
  2. Tramain Thomas, FS, Arkansas (6’0/204)
  3. Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina (6’5/324)
  4. Max Gruder, ILB, Pittsburgh (6’1/235)

Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi

by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 20, 2012 6:03 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

huh?

I don’t know how I messed this up but I did. It was supposed to be
114 for Ta’amu
144 for Thomas
175 for Hicks
213 for Gruder

Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi

by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 20, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the thomas pick

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

uh oh chia gonna jump on your 1st pick loil

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 20, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd for Taking Kuchley

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

that took balls, brass balls

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But.....

Don’t you think Rob Ryan could ways to use my 3 defensive picks in his packages with what he already has on the roster?

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

sure he could

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm w/ Chia on this one

Why in the world would the Boys take yet ANOTHER inside LB? Where is Carter supposed to play? Three ILBs in back to back to back years w/ a 2nd, a 2nd and a 1st round pick respectively. So what do you do if they ALL turn out to be good? Who plays (a rotation is a recipe for disaster)?

Guys that are drafted in the 1st 3 rounds are supposed to be those guys who stay w/ the team for the next 12-15 years…

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 22, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

how is a rotation a recipe for Disaster

Having all three makes it Easier to play the “hybrid” formations that Rob Likes here would be the various Formation (IMO)

3-4: Ware, Hatcher, Lee, Brent, Kuchley, Ratliff, Carter

4-3: Ware, Kuchley, Ratliff, Lee, Hatcher, Carter, Butler

3-3: Ware, LK, Ratliff, Lee, Lissemore, Carter

5-2: Ware, Lee, Hatcher, Brent, Ratliff, Carter,Butler

2-5: Ware, LK, Brent, Lee, Lissemore, Carter, Butler

Notice how there is minimal movement in player personnel? other than the 5-2 and 4-3 which requires an extra D-Lineman at the expense of the LB’s, you can run Every Formation from your base 3-4 personnel.

And if You wanted to get Carter on the Feild more, Well him and Sensabaugh would make a decent set of safeties a few times a game….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Ironman!

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Carter is an ILB

Not OLB. He would playing next to lee in the middle

by The Loco Llama on Jan 20, 2012 8:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

NICE SOMEONE SAW THE LIGHT ON ILOKA, REC'D

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Um Alpha....

You might wanna read the “rules” of this mock draft again. DeCastro is #11, gotta trade a pick to move up for him.

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

revised

1. Quinton Coples – DE – North Carolina
Finally a 3-4 DE who can have a visible impact on the game.

2. Bruce Irvin – OLB – West Virginia
Electric Pass rusher with natural instincts and one of the quickest first steps in the OLB class. Tough Player

3. Casey Hayward – CB – Vanderbilt
Heyward had 7 INTS last year, and could possibly rise up draft boards. Casey Hayward will be one of the biggest surpises in this draft.

4. Nicolas Jean-Baptiste – DT – Baylor
Big clogger who played in a system that produced Phil Taylor. The most Holy PIck in the draft

5.Jaymes Brooks – OG – Virginia Tech.
One of the quickest OG’s in this Draft. Shoudl run a sub 5 40. At 6’2 300 lbs could bulk up more. However has the tools to reach the 2nd level. Good prospect.

6.Sammy Brown – LB – Houston
Do your homework on Sammy Brown led the NCAA in tackles for loss, with 13 Sacks

7. Michael Williams – TE – Alabama
Williams is 6-6 270, The Cowboys will develop him as a blocking TE who could possibly be a OT in the NFL.

by Alpha on Jan 20, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

umm that link changed. I was directed here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/big-board

or something weird happened. I actually think that CBS 700 will be updated constantly. No need to intranet police.

Coples is dropping somewhat due to his inconsistent motor. My own personal DVI ranking on him is 22.32, based on a formula for my draft site. In 12 mock draft around the internet he sits at 15 avg.

but I will play fair. My bad.

by Alpha on Jan 20, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be happy with this draft. Not many people here like Coples. I think he will be a better pro than his senior year indicated.

We also use any supplemental picks on a DB

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, I hope this works. Went heavy in the front 7. I believe the FA class is weak in the front 7 and loaded with OL and CB targets… I honestly believe we will have a starting Caliber CB here next year via FA. Now I am not sure if it is a Pro Bowl caliber guy but I know we will have a “starting quality” FA. Also, I believe we will be very active with the OL. Nicks?

1. Courtney Upshaw – OLB – Alabama
The player I want the most is there. Incredible! Still the most dominating defensive player in the draft. Not sure how he is sitting there at 14. I run to the podium.

2. Jared Crick – DE – Nebraska
Tough nose player who should transition well into a 3-4 DE. Immediate Upgrade Opposite Ratliff.

3. Casey Hayward – CB – Vanderbilt
Heyward had 7 INTS last year, and could possibly rise up draft boards. Casey Hayward will be one of the biggest surpises in this draft.

4. Nicola Jean-Baptiste – DT – Baylor
Big clogger who played in a system that produced Phil Taylor. The most Holy PIck in the draft

5. Derek Wolfe – DE – Cincinnati
The grades on Wolfe vary some have him a 5th while others think he could be a 3rd. I think he goes in the 5th. Good quality player who has the potential to be a solid starter.

6. Sammy Brown – ILB – Houston
Do your homework on Sammy Brown led the NCAA in tackles for loss, with 13 Sacks

7. Michael Williams – TE – Alabama
Williams is 6-6 270, The Cowboys will develop him as a blocking TE who could possibly be a OT in the NFL.

by Alpha on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

Liked the first draft better

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Jamell Fleming

is not one of JG’s RKG. I don’t think he’ll be on the their board that high Chia.

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

he wont go in the 4th round either

this is just for fun, he is a 2nd round pick

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

You think he’ll go that high? I’d be surprised (not stunned, just surprised).

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

yup

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Well....

then I defer to your skill at picking the board. :-)

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Jan 20, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

How many CBs will be drafted in the first two rounds?

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

so do you see

Ingram tacking over a 5 tech mostly to get them on the field at the same time?

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

why not

Rob would get creative with them

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it

Just not sure about taking two pass rushers with the first two picks, but we do need them, no doubt about that

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I worry about Barron being a reach.

But like the rest.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

WR?

I like this except, this staff has great ability finding WR’s. Plus, why Broyles? Where’s your center pick? I would be happy about this draft though.

by JannyDones on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm getting worried about the reports on Konz' health.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no OCC...I'm gettin some bad flashbacks with your mock....

A UNC DE

An OL named Brewster, and a DB named Henry.

lol…jk…..nice mock

by fivetwos on Jan 20, 2012 6:31 PM CST reply actions  

Ha ha ha. I had a funny feeling when I put that mock together but couldn’t quite place it. Now I know what it was.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 21, 2012 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

attempt #2

14-Nick Perry DE USC
45-Orson Charles TE Georgia
82-Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
113-Brandon Brooks OG Miami(OH)
144-Mike Harris CB Florida St.
175-Akiem Hicks DT Regina
213-Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma St.

Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi

by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 20, 2012 6:34 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

not bad

not bad at all

Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi

by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 20, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerry Jones draft

14-Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
45-Vontaze Burfict LB Arizona State
113-Cliff Harris CB Oregon
144-Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
175-Marvin Jones WR Cal
213-Nathan Dick QB Central Arkansas

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2012 6:39 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

lol

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

hilarious

by the way heard your 30min radio show. good stuff chia.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 2:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

thanks

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

No one is recing anything haha

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Jan 20, 2012 6:40 PM CST reply actions  

Broke the rules - trade down

I don’t like the No trade down rule, so I broke it a bit. I didn’t just trade down to the pick of the player I was targeting, so I tried to stay with the spirit of the game.

Trade Down: Pick 14 for Pittsburgh’s 24 and 56
Trade Up: Pick 21 for Pick 24 and 113
Trade Up: Pick 43 for Pick 45 and Pick 173

Results in: 21, 43, 56, 82, 144, and 213

21. Peter Konz – best center in the draft
43. Kelechi Osemele – he’s no Decastro, but Wes Bunting has him as the number 2 guard in the draft
56. Jonathan Massaquoi – Replace Spencer with an OLB from Troy (last player from Troy worked out well)
82. Josh Norman – hadn’t heard of him, but he gets a good buzz from East-West Shrine as best CB there
144. Mike Harris – another CB to give good depth at that position
213. Kellen Moore – a popular choice for this pick

by doomsdayreturns on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Who did you want in the 3rd?

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't we draft him last year?

Oh yea, we did. now he’s not here….and we’re talking about drafting corners. Sigh.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films

by Nickthegrip on Jan 21, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

That would be the Carolina Panthers

and he never even sniffed the field.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 21, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

either did Buehler

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

good one

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I missed a pick, oh well

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

oh crap

I forgot about that pick damn

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Easy Pickings

14 DE Nick Perry
45 OLB Bobby Wagner
81 (trade 82 and 213 for 81) CB Leonard Johnson
113 CB Ryan Steed
144 FS Tramain Thomas
175 SS Brandon Taylor

by Lord_Butt on Jan 20, 2012 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

Is Wagner really a 3-4 OLB?

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 21, 2012 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone know anything on Leonard Johnson?

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 2:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Just type in your search "Leonard Johnson scouting report". Several links will pop up.
Impression: A well-built kid lacking ideal height, but plays fast and I like his footwork and balance. Isn’t a dynamic athlete, but can play some press and off coverage, and looks capable of getting playing time both on the outside and in the slot at the next level.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Prospect-of-the-day-Iowa-State-CB-Leonard-Johnson.html

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 4:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I meant

has anyone saw him play? Thanks for the link though.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I know some people won’t like this because you are not maximizing value on pick 14, but I think this would still be a great draft. Rec.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

thank you sir

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks man.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

D-fence!

and then your first pick is offense… lol

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a good mock. Check out my second one at the bottom.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

First and last!

But those two are just the bread. The meat in between is all D!

The greatest two yard run ever!

by WB3forMB3 on Jan 21, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

The "I'm sick of injured guys and projects" draft...

14 Peter Konz, C Wisconsin…don’t want a 30+YO UFA center
45 Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia…BPA meets need, no brainer
82 George Iloka, S Boise…some passion for the defense
113 TY Hilton, WR..Fla Int…this guy is dynamic…WR4 and a day 1 PR/KR threat
144 Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas….BPA at this point
175 Evan Rodriquez, FB Temple…Chia’s boy Wes loves this guy
213 Drew Butler, P Georgia…not sold on the Chris Jones thing

by fivetwos on Jan 20, 2012 7:05 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

lol

Sick of injured guys, yet your top pick has medical issues…

like the draft but like the irony more…

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't seen any reports that say anything other than Konz being a day one starter

with Pro-Bowl potential.

I’m thinking his issue wont get in the way of that.

Big difference from taking a ILB high in round two that you know isn’t going to get on the field until at least mid-season while your OL is a mess.

Here we are a year later, and we aren’t 100% sure Carter can be counted on as a starter, and the OL is still a mess.

Passing on Wisniewski for Carter cost this team the playoffs this year, and I’m not backing down from that.

Even AVERAGE center play in the NE and Ari games vs. Costa’s effort in those translate into wins in both.

by fivetwos on Jan 21, 2012 6:41 AM CST up reply actions  

The RKG Draft!

Round 1 – David DeCastro – G, Stanford – Nothing surprising about this, but it’s popular because it’s an elegant fit. We desperately need an answer on the interior line – especially someone with the intelligence to potentially manage line calls if we lose Kosier. If he’s there, I think we take him.

Round 2 – Stephon Gilmore – CB, South Carolina – I like the idea of this guy across the field from Jenkins. An aggressive corner for an aggressive defensive unit.

Round 3 – Bruce Irvin – OLB, West Virginia – I could see us trading up to the top of the 3rd to make sure we get a guy like this, because the pass rushing talent gets pretty thin after this. Probably not the pick if we lose Spencer (he’s not going to be a great fit on that side), but as a rotational guy to step in more in pass rush situations? Yes, please.

Round 4 – Shea McClellin – OLB, Boise State – An RKG to put with Irvin to amp up this linebacking corps and add some needed youth and athleticism.

Round 5 – Lardarius Green – TE, UL Lafayette – A big, reasonably athletic pass-catcher to come in and allow us more versatility that we could never exploit with Martellus.

Round 6 – Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State – Admit it, you want to be in a bar cheering for this guy by his last name. Has potential to be a swing guy at either tackle or guard. Always thought he looked good in Big 12 action.

Round 7 – Patrick Witt, QB, Yale – So maybe it’s a little cheeky to throw in the Ivy League guy just because of the RHG, but watch this guy play and tell me he doesn’t remind you of Tony Romo. He’s savvy but unpolished in the pocket and makes good decisions, but needs to build up some arm strength and work on his motion. I like him, especially since my alma mater beat him this year.

by Shinywalrus on Jan 20, 2012 7:07 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

Oops. I clearly didn’t read some of the rules exactly right…oh well, I’m sticking with it! :P

by Shinywalrus on Jan 20, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it

filling 3 of our needs with the first three picks. However you need to list that you traded up and stuff. Stephon Gilmore is a few slots ahead of us in #2.

by Pride of America on Jan 23, 2012 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Good job

I like this one. Lots of potential top to bottom.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i hate doing mock

this yearly with out knowing what direction we are going to take in free agency. But i had earlier put together a full mock offseason on another site and I just used my draft from that.

"Courage is being scared to death, but saddleing up anways" - John Wayne

by textaz03 on Jan 20, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think we might need someone with speed on the other side

Not the end all cure all but that is something spencer lacked. Although he really lacked a pass rushing arsenal of moves too…

by HowBoutThemBoys on Jan 23, 2012 6:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I would love this draft

Been noting a lot of Kellen Moores here in the 7th

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 20, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

hard to pass up his value at that pick

and its hard to pick any other name values at that point in the draft.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

On a side note about Chase "the mine field" Minnifield

Wasn’t that TO’s character on Necessary Roughness??

I heard he was moving back to Allen to play arena league, TO must be trying to sneak back onto our roster…

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:23 PM CST reply actions  

LOL yeah

I remember that. Quite comical watching T.O. do that

by Pride of America on Jan 23, 2012 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

This draft is a great Idea. Not necessarily picks i'd choose but this could happen....
  1. Vontaze Burfick.- after hearing Norm Hitzgas talk today on the radio about the fact that
    he thinks that Bruce Carter(who is 8lbs lighter than Von Miller) can play OLB opposite of Ware makes me fill another need. Burfick is a Million dollar talent with a 10cent mentality. But the guy has SPEED the one thing our LB corp got exposed for not having by a very fast Philly team. Not a Redball guy but Burfick is a human missle with pads. He won’t slide into second round.
  2. Stephon Gilmore- South Carolina. In a very deep draft of CB’s 2nd and 3rd round is where there is value.
  3. M. Brewster- no not robert brewster but M Brewster is a good pick here. Played in the Big ten and know for good offensive linemen.
  4. Jared Crick- would absolutely make me crap myself! This could be the steal of the draft. We passed on JJ Watt last year and this year we find someone like(not the same as) JJ Watt. Crick gets everything out of what he has. Constant Motor but not the athelete of JJ Watt. But @113 a steal. Coming off Injury causes him to fall. Otherwise a sure fire 2nd rd pick
  5. Josh Chapman- compensatory pick for losing S Bowen. So i guess we have to replace Bowen. This kid played part of last year with a torn ACL. Tough kid. Good value here
  6. T. Thomas- FS
    213-James Brooks-OL

by gasman8 on Jan 20, 2012 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

So, Decastro > Ingram + Burfict?

I like Decastro alot, but I think that is too much to go up and get him at 11.

Can’t say I would be mad at the draft though.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Like you bought into DeCastro, I bought into Ingram.

Though wouldn’t be mad either way.

I also like the Minnifield pick, but wouldn’t be mad with Gillmore or Crick.

by DCyanks21 on Jan 20, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

At this rate, I think more of us will be shocked if Minnifield isn't taken by the Boys in round 2

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems to be some consensus there.

But this is based on one rank order. Things will be very different come draft day, I’m sure.

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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

very true

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice one Tom.

I would prefer not to trade up and “waste” a pick, but this is all in good fun to.
And yeah, draft order will not even resemble this list after the combine lol. But I would love for us to pick him up in the 2nd.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 4:49 AM CST up reply actions  

1. Courtney Upshaw- will have 15 tfl and 10 sacks yr 1…

2. Josh Norman- athletic cb/s prospect. I’m not big on small school kids but this kid can play

3. Cb Casey heyward- late riser on draft boards.. Excels in man and zone coverage

4. Brandon Boykin- another cb prospect that gives you great value as a return man.

5. Joe Adams- speedy Arkansas wr with speed and return ability

6. Tank carder- inside linebacker depth and will be a great special teamer.

7. Dt Josh chapman. Alabama His torn acl will cause him to fall completely out of the draft… We will be right there to scoop him…

What this says is that we get 1 OL in free agency and Nagy and arkin take big steps forward… Also I think we can stand pat 1 more year at qb. We should take a chance on undrafted kids case Keenum or gj Kinne…

by drobe86 on Jan 20, 2012 7:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Left the QB off for Moore, but you knew that

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Also the "of Ohio" on Brooks.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it! Rec'd

Let me know what you think of my mock draft(s)

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You had me till I read Burfect ../sad face.

I was looking into him and some of the stuff I read…I just wouldn’t touch him if you paid me.
His old QB said in a interview that he is the reason his entire coaching staff got fired after the season this year. That he was benched for a quarter in the last game and when the coach told him to go back in he refused. That his horrible attitude snuck into the locker room and infected the other players, called him a coach killer.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 4:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Mock #1(Assuming Dallas Signs Mario and Cortland IN FA)

Draft as Follows:

#14-ILB Luke Kuchley: ILB is and unheralded Need, and With Decastro off the Board, Dallas Hold Firm to its Draft Board and Goes BPA…

#45-*Jayron Hosley: a Playmaking CB who is the Ideal Nickel CB and with the proliferation of 3 and 4 WR sets should see significant time even as a 4th CB

#82-George Iloka- Considered the second ranked FS in the Draft with 7 INT in his Career Bring more PLaymaking ability to the Secondary that is in Desparate need of it

#113-Andrew Datko- an OT in College Moves inside with Dallas..at 6-6 320 has the size to be effective guard/RT in the pro’s

#144-Rhett Ellison TE: at 6-5 250, has the size to be an effective Blocker

#175-Davin Meggett: @ 5-8 220 has the size to be a nice short yardage back to challengeTanner

#213-Devon Wylie- WR: while not a need Dallas plans to try and Convert him to a CB…at 180lbs with 4.3 speed Wylie would make an excellent 5th CB

Now I know that we have BC waiting in the wings, but other than that WE have Orie Lemon and that is it…I like Lemon as much as the next guy, but but by Drafting Kuchley you can move BC to his more natural position of OLB and with Mario, Ratliff and Lissemore/Brent on the DL, The SOLB pas rush is less of a factor.

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

you really have bought into BC LB...also

Intrigued by the Meggett pick.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Y U NO LIKE Kellen Moore?

I like this draft, especially moving the OT inside to Guard. Addresses needs of this team. I like Keuchly. Great choice.

by JannyDones on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't wanna harp on this too much...

But when has Carter ever played Strong OLB in a 3-4? 4-3 OLBs play coverage and run support. Carter has never been a pass rusher. Having the speed doesn’t help you if you don’t have the experience and technique required to beat the blocks, which is the difference between blitzing and rushing the edge. In a 3-4, he is an ILB. That’s his “natural” position.

That all aside, I don’t disagree with picking Kuechly. Carter can be depth in the base set, play nickel LB, and be a beast on special teams. In 4-3 or 4-6 fronts, he can play outside as well.

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by CotySaxman on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Question for you Coty

What are Spencer’s Duties… Coverage, Run Support, Blitz Right?

4-3 OLBs play coverage and run support.

While I agree that He would Have to Learn to blitz, More than Likely He will be Blitzing Free, Espicailly if We move Ratliff to LDE

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright, please allow me to explain, since this is a valid question.

4-3 OLB Coverage: Middle zones. Picking up crossers, Man-to-man on Tight Ends, occasionally plays slot receivers, picks up releasing backs…
3-4 OLB Coverage: Very rare. Primarily flat zones, screen defense, and picking up releasing backs in the flats.

4-3 OLB Run Support: Fills the holes. Watches B-Gap and C-Gap. Attacks the holes between the DT and DE. NOT setting the edge, as the DE does this.
3-4 OLB Run Support: Sets the edge. Plays to stand up his blocker, and shed him to make the tackle once the back comes near. Essentially plays the run similarly to a 4-3 DE.

4-3 OLB Blitz: Rushes from behind the linemen, attacking a predesignated hole and reacting to the play from the backfield.
3-4 OLB Pass Rush: Rushes the edge using specific techniques in order to get around his blocks and get to the quarterback.

Anthony Spencer, DeMarcus Ware and Bruce Carter played in 4-3s in college. Spencer and Ware’s “natural positions” were as Defensive Ends. Carter’s was as an OLB. Can you imagine Carter as a 4-3 Defensive End? Not really. So he wouldn’t excel as a 3-4 OLB, either. Watch the technique Ware uses to angle his body as he works on a left tackle, and think about the fact that Carter has no training in those techniques. He can blitz, sure, but that doesn’t make him a pass rusher. The goal of a blitzer is to be unblocked. Pass rushers beat blocks.

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by CotySaxman on Jan 21, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I would Argue that

While there are differences in the specific Requirements…the Overall responsibilities, thus the traits that make a player good at those, are basically the same.

And Honestly has Spencer ever been a “pass rusher”? If I remember correctly Spencer pass rushed ~7 seven less per Game than Ware…which may not sound like much, bu considering that a team passes ~30 times a game, Ware rushes ~25 of those…that means that Spencer is Rushing the passer ~15 times a game….that really isn’t that much on a per game basis….

I am sure that Carter could manage 10-15 times per games…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a different skill set.

Carter would be more productive getting 15 snaps per game at quarterback than trying to rush the passer. He at least has some experience at quarterback. The edge rush is just something that he hasn’t been taught to do. The worst 4-3 DE that goes undrafted this year will be a more experienced pass rusher than Carter.

He can blitz. He can’t rush the edge. The difference between the two is essentially the difference between running the 40 and running off tackle on 4th and goal.

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by CotySaxman on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I see what you are saying

What I am saying is that while yes he hasn’t been devoloped as a “edge rusher” what I am saying is that as a SOLB he would be mostly a “Blitzer” He would be coming off the edge, instead of “through a gap” to Illustrate:

In the Base 3-4 that Dallas runs, here is the Normal Blocking scheme(near as I can figure it:

Ware as the ROLB draws the LT 99% of the Time

Hatcher will Take on the LG

Ratliff will get the Center and RG

Spears will draw the RT

Now Normally The ILB’s and the SOLB will “drop into Coverage” with Spencer taking the Flat, and any TE’s /RB’s that may leak out to his side….

Which is what Carter did in College(just to a greater Extent)
so other than “Rushing the Edge” Carter has done alot that Spencer does as a SOLB…and what he hasn’t done is mostly a technique Issue…right?

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 22, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Ironman

This is not a good idea experimenting like this with Bruce Carter. You’re over thinking this.

A 3-4 OLB is the equivalent of a 4-3 END. The only difference is the 3-4 OLB stands up on 1st and 2nd down, and plays with his hand down in nickle and dime situations. The 4-3 END plays with his hand down at all times.

When comparing our 3-4 to the Giants 4-3, Bruce Carter would have the same responsibilities like a Jaquwan Williams or Michael Boley. The only time you’ll see them coming after the QB is on a blitz from the inside.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 22, 2012 8:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

see this is where I disagree
A 3-4 OLB is the equivalent of a 4-3 END.

HOw often does Justin Tuck drop in Coverage, or Roger Mathis….or any other 4-3 DE? Almost never(except in a few Zone blitz schemes, Which tend to be 3-4 based anyway)

Yet out of 545 passing attempts, Spencer rushed the passer only 403 times(according to PFF)

that means that out of 34 passing attempts per game, Spencer rushed the Passer, 25 times per game, of which 9-10 of those probably came from the “Nickel Formation” where Spencer lines up as the DE…
What I am saying is that out of the 3-4 alignment, Carter could easily Perform what was asked of Spencer, which was Coverage, and the Occasional Blitz…. Butler, Albright, Ratliff, anyone of those could slide to the 4-3 DE spot in the Nickel….with Carter staying in the OLB position….

Does that make sense?

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 22, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Mock #2(Sign Mario and Nicks in FA)

trade up to #10 grab Kirkpatrick using 14,82,175

#45-Jayron Hosley

#144-Rhett Ellison

#213-Kellen Moore

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 8:15 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Ballsy, I'll rec yours if you rec mine, LOL!

I don’t think anyone would throw a fit with the picks.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

done

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

let me know what you think of my second one too, it's at the bottom

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm down with this Rec'd.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Jan 20, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

What duo think of my mock(s)?

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

liked the melvin ingram one

not a big fan of taking a guard with the 14th

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Jan 21, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed,

Want to address defensive pass rush with the first pick. Brockers would move Ratliff to DE most likely. Or if we draft Ingram we can attempt to sign Campbell move Ratliff to DE and have Ingram opposite of Ware. Scary…

Draft Chase Minnifield in the 2nd round and our defense is a force in a year or so.

by DCyanks21 on Jan 21, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, here it goes...

1. David Decastro OG Stanford
2. Chase Minnefield CB Virginia
3. Jonathan Massaquoi OLB Troy
4. Kendall Reyes DT UConn
5. Harrison Smith SS Notre Dame
6. Jaye Howard DT Florida
6. Case Keenum QB Houston (compensatory pick for Bowen)
7. Justin Francis DE/OLB Rutgers

by jtgreet02 on Jan 20, 2012 8:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Dude

“Get OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!”

rec’d BTW

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I am Serious I was going to take Almost every one of these guys.....

Except Rodriguez….but I wanted to be a different from other mocks….but yeah

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

What can I say, great minds think alike.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You and I agree on four picks.

What can I say? Rec.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice!

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

just caught a typo, it should say 45 instead of 43

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I've watched Tramain Thomas for the past 4 years at Arkansas

And he’s been my favorite defender for years. He’s a very underrated prospect, IMO.

by Admiral Dallas on Jan 21, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Going defensive and trading bottom of the draft to get 3 potential studs

Lots of trades to make these three picks realist. Ideally we hold our picks and get quality to drop to us but if you have to live with the CBS chart and assume the picks will go exactly that way then here is how I would handle it:

First round: Trade up one spot to get Brockers, giving up one of two fourth round picks we have this year.
Second round: Trade up a couple of spots in second to get Gilmore giving up our fifth round pick- ouch! But worth it to get a CB prospect like Gilmore
Second round – trade third, fifth, sixth, and seventh round picks to move up and get a potential pass rush stud to put opposite Ware

1. (13) Michael Brockers, DE – LSU
2. (42) Stephen Gilmore, CB – South Carolina
2. (64) Jonathan Massaquoi – OLB – Troy
4. traded
4. traded (compensatory pick received)
5. traded
6. traded
7. traded

by livemontana on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I like it but

compensatory picks are not awarded in this mock.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this mock. I think he's just including the comp pick as a place holder.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

and even if you did have a compensatory pick

it is against league rules to trade them.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

correct

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

they haven't been issued yet

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see the math on this

I didn’t think we could get two 2nd rounders if following the rules of the draft…

by HowBoutThemBoys on Jan 23, 2012 6:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Good all round draft. Rec

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

My Take

14: Nick Perry, OLB

42: Stephon Gilmore, CB

82: Vontaze Burfect ILB

118: Cliff Harris, CB/KR

144: Lucas Nix, OG

175: (used to trade up for Gilmore)

213: William Vlachos, OC Alabama

by Proxy406 on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

hmmmmmmmmm

14. Michael Brockers NT LSU

45. Ben Jones C Georgia

82. George Ilocka FS Boise State

Trade pick 113 and 213 for pick 111

111. Ladarius Green TE LA Lafayette

144. Mike Harris CB Florida ST

175. Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Brockers is rated 13

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

the one i just looked at had him at 14

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

just looked again

he’s at 13. Either i screwed up or it changed that fast.

Plug in Melvin Ingram @ 14

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Ben Jones or Massaquoi

Rated right next to each other and either would be good. I didn’t see any way to be able to draft both through trades though and that made me sad…

by HowBoutThemBoys on Jan 23, 2012 6:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey guys!

I apologize – I was reading the instructions, put it down to go get something for my kids before I finished. When I came back I just started picking guys. I was looking at it by round – not by ranking. I know it probably won’t count, but I have revised to the rules:

14. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
45. Chase Minnefield CB Virginia
82. Kendall Reyes DT UConn
113. Alameda Ta’amu NT Washington
144. Quinten Saulsberry C Miss St
174. Brandon Taylor SS LSU (I swapped 175 for 174 – 22.4 points to 22.8 points).
213. Jaye Howard DT Florida

Thanks everyone!

by jtgreet02 on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions   3 recs

Giving you a newbie rec here.

Welcome to the fun.

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this one

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 3:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Good draft

Welcome. Our D could definitely use some bat shit crazy. I would love Joe Adams

by matt575 on Jan 21, 2012 5:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Roh's Mock 3.0 "Jerry Did What?"

10)*Dre Kirkpatrick, DB Alabama: Jerry Texas two steps Scott Pioli of the Kansas City Chiefs, first he signs Carr (CB) in FA, then he moves up in front of them to take the guy they hoped to replace him with. Shrewd move by the Double J “YEEEEEHAW!”

43) Vinny Curry, DE/OLB Marshall

113) Brandon Brooks, G Miami of Ohio

144) Tremain Thomas, FS Arkansas

213) Kellen Moore, QB Boise State

*Dallas traded with the Bills to move up to 10, by giving Buffalo 14, 82, 175

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

BTW Roh

after watching This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbpNkBiLDeU

I am now fully on the Kuchley train…..seriously check it out….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn man

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

tell me who does he remind you of?

and think about this…@a reported 6-3 237 he has the frame (IMO) to put on 10lbs, which would put him in OLB weight range….just saying ya know

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2012 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Tedy Bruschi

That’s the first guy who came to mind as I’m watching him fly around.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 3:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I was thinking Sean Lee...his instincts look out of this world

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

they both remind me of bruschi

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

TRADESSSS..

*trade 3rd and 6th
Rd.1 CB Dre Kirkpatrick

*trade 4th, 7th, nxt years 2nd, 3rd
Rd.1 Michael Brockers

Rd.5 Russell Wilson

We can have more than one mock right?

by BrickTop on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

  1. hightower (30)
  2. irvin (56)
  3. brewster (104)
  4. ta’amu (115)
  5. harris (149)
  6. broyles (178)
  7. moore (221)

by strokes on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions   3 recs

i like this one...

I think Hightower will climb the boards as the draft approaches….he is top 20.

Irvin is the guy that will take Spencers place eventually…

and we get our NT.

by death of the cool on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, sorry, i did it on my phone and didn’t bother with the details …

hightower is an ILB but is a versatile 34 player that can handle some of spencer’s snaps if he leaves. the pick is somewhat short-term thinking since i’m matching it to what i think ryan wants to do, but if we’re locked into a 34 with ware around, then so be it. hightower could be a bart scott/adalius thomas type.

the rest …
OLB (pass rusher) irvin
C brewster
NT ta’amu
DB harris
WR broyles
QB moore

by strokes on Jan 21, 2012 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay ...

rd.1 DE Nick Perry
*rd.2 CB Stephon Gilmore
rd.3 ILB Vontaze Burfict
rd.4 CB Jamell Fleming
rd.5 QB Russell Wilson
rd.7 WR Devon Wylie

by BrickTop on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

nothing to do with the draft but..

Think elams coming back.. New DB’s coach said he would want him back.. Dang.

by cjs.93 on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

ASSUMING A SWITCH TO 4-3 DEFENSE

Free Agents: DE Mario Williams, S Laron Landry, CB Richard Marshall
Trades: Felix Jones + (175), for Miami’s (104)

1. (14) Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College (yuck)

2. (45) Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin

3. (82) Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina

4. (104) Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State

4. (113) Alameda Ta’amu, NT, Washington

5. (144) Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas

7. (213) Emil Igwenagu, TE/FB/H-Back, UMASS

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No 4-3 and no trading felix.

by cjs.93 on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bc niether will happen

by cjs.93 on Jan 21, 2012 12:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

they're not ruling out the 4-3.

and how do you know they wont trade felix? do you work at valley ranch?

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 21, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha, well for purposes of this post we have to play within the confine of OCC’s rules…

A for effort and creativity though…

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

wish I did

But na, n bc they just won’t. N where they say they not ruling it out RR is a 3-4 coach as long as he’s here its 3-4.

by cjs.93 on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

whatever

even with a 3-4 that would be a great offseason!

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Cliff Harris is a Stud

14 Luke Kuechly
45 Chase Minnifield
82 Cliff Harris
113 Alameda Ta’amu
144 Quentin Saulsberry
175 Ryan Broyles
213 Kellen Moore

by Mighty Blue Star on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 PM CST reply actions  

I'm rec'n this. Burfict is the game changer this defense needs.

I agree, soft will no longer be in the NFL Analysts vernacular when talking about the Cowboys defense. I wouldn’t want to be Michael Vick and watch Burfict come at me from many angles on a designed blitz. Burfict reminds me of Joey Porter.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

He has amazing range

I’ve seen tape where he came from angles that you’d think it would be a safety that came up and made the tackle. It’s like you’re sure he’s out of the play then all of a sudden he streaks in and blows a guy up.

The team that drafts him is going to need patience with Burfict, he takes false steps which you can’t do in the NFL. But he can be what Navarro Bowman was this year. The guy who busts his butt every day in practice in his rookie year but doesn’t get on the field. Then his sophmore year training camp when the light comes on he storms out and everyone goes, "where’s this monster come from?

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

I’ve seen highlights where he comes out of nowhere and blows up the QB. It’s like WTF?

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey BED

You gotta trade the Nix pick to get Gillmore. Keep Nix and you can go with Minnifield… which wouldn’t be a bad trade off… cause I thought of doing it in mine ;)

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I know where you were going tho cuz I thought about it too… but in the end while I like Minnifield and Nix, I just liked Gilmore that much more…

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Ingram

Not familiar with Ingram, but why not Baron. They say 14 is too high for him, but its a position at need and has been for a while.

by LonnieCarl on Jan 21, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

A 3-4 hinges on the play of its outside linebackers

OLB is just a more valuable position on a team than safety. This is the perfect year to draft one for a couple reasons:

1) The Cowboys hope to not draft this high for many years. We won’t get another shot at a guy rated this highly
2) Spencer’s departure opens up a slot for a young rookie to immediately step in
3) This is a good pass rushing class for where we draft with 3 mid-first-round talents worthy of the draft pick.

As the Giants show us, great defensive line play can carry you to the Superbowl. I want great defensive linemen.

Nothing against Mark Barron, I like him and if we draft him I’ll be happy to have him on the team.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 21, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't want an OLB in 1st round

Love this Draft, I just feel like a pick in the secondary is more appropriate. I want to see what Albright and Butler have at OLB. The secondary is by far the biggest liability. Take Mark Barron at #1 instead.

by JannyDones on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Love it.

I am warming up to the idea of Burfict a lot. I imagine he will fall significantly in the draft just like Ryan Mallet. I think once you get out of the first round, his talent is worth taking a risk on. Plus, the guy is such an animal that he could give our defense some great packages with Ware, Lee, Carter, and Burfict.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 21, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, when you look at the tools that guy has it's hard not to let the imagination wander

I like him as an ILB, but if you were to put him at OLB how quickly do you think he’d make us forget about Spencer? And we’re talking about an assumed 3rd rounder making us forget about a 1st round draft pick.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 22, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Burfict could probably play OLB if we wanted him to.

I agree his best fit is at ILB, but I would bet that his natural power and explosiveness would make him quite effective at OLB as well. That is why I like the idea of drafting him so much. The 3-4 is built on LBs to a large degree, and the more you have, the better you are likely to be.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 22, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me give this a shot

Pick 14 – OLB Lavonte David ; Great instincts. Great in coverage. Great against the run. Great pass rush. Demarcus Ware type of explosiveness. And most of all, RKG.

Pick 45 – CB Chase Minnifield ; Great player. Tall and fast with good hips. Hell of a punch, if he hits. Look this is a solid pick but honestly I hate it. I would much rather have Winn, Chapman, Crick, Zeitler, or my pet cat in this draft Brock Osweiler (but thats for another post)

Pick 82 – DT Kheeston Randall ; Big guy with quickness. Great strength. You can move Kheeston around, or move Ratliff and stick Kheeston right in the middle. Ryan will have some fun.

Trade Pick 113+175 for pick 104

Pick 104 – C Mike Brewster – Use him at C or either OG spot. Center is the biggest need in my opinion.

Pick 144 – FS Tramain Thomas – Decent speed, great coverage skills. Has gotten 12 interceptions, 13 passes broken up, 6 forced fumbles, and a blocked fg/punt in his last 3 seasons! Not even counting all the tackles he has made. The kid can and will play.

Pick 213 – OG Ryan Miller – This guy is huge! 6-7 but can get low enough to get under your pads and push you out of the way. Not only is he tall, strong, long arms, big hands…he has great footwork and quick feet! No way he goes this far but in this mock he does. He is big and strong enough to play T or G would be a great swing T for us and a near starter if he beats out Kosier, Nagy, Costa, Kowalski.

I hope we get some comp picks because DE Julian Miller wants to wear the star. Or QB G.J Kinne.

by rawrrawr on Jan 21, 2012 12:23 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

I like the Brewster pick

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 3:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Lavonte David is way too small. The guy is 225 lbs.

He could maybe play ILB for Dallas, but even that is pushing it. I think he will eventually be a great 4-3 WLB, but he doesn’t fit with us.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

like the kid, but waaaaaaaay small

by Pride of America on Jan 23, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Roh's Mock 4.0

14) Mark Barron, SS Alabama

45) Chase Minnifield, CB Virginia

82) Vontaez Burfict, LB Arizona State

113) Brandon Brooks, G Miami of Ohio

144) Tramain Thomas, FS Arkansas

175) Evan Rodriguez, FB/TE/H-Back Temple

213) Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 12:57 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

14.Melvin Ingram————→> an athletic beast!!
45.chase minnifield———> great pedigree
82.vontaze Burflict——> vicious ILB
112.Alameda Ta’amu—→ NT
144.evan rodriguez—→>FB/TE Hybrid
175.derrick wolfe DE——→ good motor
213.kellen moore QB———→ groom into starter in a few years

Chia what you think about trading Felix Jones for …… a 2nd and a 5th rd pick you think its possible and is it worth it? Only guy I think we can get value with and have xtra pick in 2nd for say Ben jones C or trade up into second for a blue chipper.??

look for punter Powell or Butler with compensatory pick.

Terrance Ganaway RB 5/11 240lbs 5.61 yds per carry career replacing jones? or a veteran?

Live Like it's your Last Day, cuz one day you'll be right!!!

Get elam and OG/OC Help!!!

by Fansince89 on Jan 21, 2012 1:14 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Draft picks? We don't need no stinkin' Draft picks!

Trade picks 14,45,82 113, and 213(1805.2 total Value for #4 pick(1800 point value)

  1. Morris Claiborne- the best CB in the draft hands Down…..

trade #144, #175 and next years 5th rounder(~78 point value) @ pick 108 grab Alameda Ta’amu…..

BOOM!!!!

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 AM CST reply actions  

Coach Ditka? That you?

Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos

by Tom Ryle on Jan 21, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice BD.

LOL people would go nuts if we drafted 2 Arkansas players, swearing Jerry only drafted them as they were from his school.
That is actually why I didn’t put Franklin in my draft. Plus we will need a TE.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 5:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Well the Arkansas players were late picks

But I think both are good players who can come in and play in the rotation in the first year along with ST and I think both can be starters down the road.. Along with my brother played for Arkansas so I needed show a little love there.

I thought about TE alot. After watching a ton of Cowboys film it really struck me about the TE and FB’s that Dallas has is they all can block and have great hands. I think Bennet is gone but as I watched film Witten and Phillips dropped into the backfield alot as blockers. Both Fiammetta and Chappas both have very good hands and could flex to the TE position. I really think JG wants a versital player in those spots and will look for another hybrid TE/FB as a UDFA.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 21, 2012 5:36 AM CST up reply actions  

That is funny, my uncle was QB for the Hogs way back when. Before he got hit while on his motorcycle and had his back broke by a driver not paying attention.

And yes, I picked a big TE late for a blocker/big pass body for red zone and short yardage situations. I figure Bennett is gone and we will be looking for another TE/FB this year as well. So I tossed one in late instead of Thomas and/or Franklin.
Besides, I love watching Adams return. /grin And the KSU coach after the bowl game wasn’t happy. He just kept saying, I told the kids over and over before the game, you can’t let Adams get to the outside, and what happened? He got to the outside, TD.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 7:12 AM CST up reply actions  

There are a few UDFA TE's I like

Beau Reliford, Florida State
Chase Ford, Miami
David Paulson, Oregon

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 21, 2012 6:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank You Rohpuri

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 22, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Very nice.

You think Jerry would actually draft a short QB? I could live with the rest. rec.

by oldboysfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes I do

He is the same height as Drew Brees who does not seem to have a problem. Moore is a great QB who is one of the most accurate passers in college. While he needs a little work on his footwork and throwing motion ( he throws at a 3/4 to upright arm motion ) these are all fixable. I remember Tom Brady was talked about the same way when he was taken in the 6th round and we have seen hpw that ended up.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 22, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Are sure these are not Romo's picks

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders

How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

by Birddog26 on Jan 21, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Romo is listed as a “person of interest” in the case, however the police could never tie anything directly back to him as Romo was conveniently away on vacation during the draft. This investigation is ongoing.

**Candice Craword-Romo laughs mischievously somewhere in the background

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 2:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Romo shows up to training camp

with that sheepish grin and fist pumps with Jason

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 3:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

most definitely

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You know if the Cowboys signed Mario Williams as a F/A

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I am curious as to why people are picking a WR, we have then coming out of our ears even if Ogletree goes we still have 7 of them if Robinson re-signs.

1. David De Castro OG Standford 6.5 310
2. Stephen Gilmore CB SC 6.1 194
3. Billy Winn DE/DT Boise 6.4 295
4. Shea McClellin OLB Boise 6.3 258
5. Winston Guy jr SS Kentucky 6.1 216
6. Hebron Fangupo NT BYU 6.1 330
7. Blake Ayles TE Miami 6.5 265

by LeedsCowboys on Jan 21, 2012 4:55 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Pretty sure you didn't follow the rules there with your picks...

I think we are still looking for a speedy deep threat and kr/pr, as well as just keeping the pipe line developed… and add to that the threat of injury and the uncertainty of Robinson’s contract, and it could be a bigger need than we think.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 5:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I have not done any trades

all the picks I have gone for they players mock in those rounds, as for KR/PR we have Radway and Harris as well Bryant.

by LeedsCowboys on Jan 21, 2012 5:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Because the tree is leaving, Holley is also a FA, etc.

I took Adams late as he is a amazing returner, which we need. And he can fill in as a WR as needed.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 5:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I love Adams

and was torn between him and Broyles… I went with Broyles b/c I think that he brings more to the table in the slot as a route runner… and the last time we picked up a speedster from OK worked out pretty well

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 5:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

*44,175=42, *82,144,213= 73

14 DE Nick Perry
44 CB Stephon Gilmore
73 SS Antonio Allen
113 DT Alameda ta’amu

by BrickTop on Jan 21, 2012 6:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Hmmph.

14 OLB Melvin Ingram
44 DE Chandler Jones
82 ILB Vontaze Burfict
113 CB Jemell Fleming
144 S Tremaine Thomas
175 QB Russell Wilson
213 TE Chase Ford

by BrickTop on Jan 21, 2012 6:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I'm surprised everyone besides myself passed on TY Hilton in the 4th.

Obviously not at the top of the need list, but this guy is special, and I don’t think he’ll last anywhere near that long when the draft actually goes down.

I like him better than Randall Cobb and Titus Young, who both went in the 2nd, and are similar players.

He is a huge PR/KR threat and fourth WR right away. WR4 is big on this team considering 1 and 2 tend to get banged up.

Guess he’ll jump into the conversation for us if LRob signs elsewhere. Even if he doesn’t, I couldn’t pass on this guy that late.

by fivetwos on Jan 21, 2012 6:52 AM CST reply actions  

I gave him a hard look.

But I decided to pass on him as there was a giant NT sitting right there also. So I waited to get Adams later.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I strongly considered him as well

Incredibly, I’ve actually watched two full length Florida International games and came away very impressed with the guy. I wouldn’t be opposed at all to picking him up, but for my mock I thought he’s a luxury pick fro the Cowboys.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 21, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, so this is a fanshot and a front page story both, and comments show up in both?

I smell a super computer at work!

Seriously guys, rec the story so it won’t poof on us in a day or 2, but will hang in the recommended section for a few days.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 7:32 AM CST reply actions  

its a fanpost post promoted to the front page.

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Jan 21, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

other sites "promote" alot. We do maybe 1 a year haha

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Jan 21, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I noticed that

though I would also say that those other sites have a dearth of talent in the writers dept compared to here too.

by TheCowboyWay on Jan 21, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

true

I am not complaining. Other sites like OCC once said, perfect the 3 paragraph post, no need for a “jump” haha.

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Jan 21, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah I do wish they would do it more Often

Especially Stuff LIke Chia’s Big Board…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous

by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions  

even if poe is only a two-down, thick-necked, road block, it’s an interesting pick. dallas should really figure out if there’s a guy worth that pick that won’t get pushed off the line and can still add a pass rush if needed … would a guy from coastal carolina really project to a starter right away? i think that pick should be a guy who can play right away. maybe a tight end or a slot wr is a better pick at that point … i don’t mind the malik jackson pick, but you can get size later … i wouldn’t bother with a linebacker outside of the first two rounds since it’s likely they won’t be fast enough to make an impact. i think you spend those picks just bringing in corners and running backs and hoping something develops … would the cowboys consider with brandon weeden? he’s too old to develop behind romo, but he could probably play right away with dallas’ skill talent if needed.

by strokes on Jan 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Poe is a great pick...

I agree he is undervalued right now. He would cover up the run deficiencies of Bruce Irvin.

by wwilbur3 on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

How I would do it on draft day
  1. 14 – (ILB) Luke Kuchley – Instant impact player/BPA
  1. 45 – (OLB) Bruce Irving – Instant pass rush upgrade/ 3rd down specialist
  1. 82 – (FS) George Ilocka – True FS, something we have been missing for a very long time
  1. 113 – (DT) Alameda ta’amu – If everyone Rat to move to DE, then need a pluger in the middle
  1. 144 – (WR/PR) Joe Adams – XFactor/ Field flipper. Instant upgrade for the ST unit.
  1. 175 – (DE) Derek Wolfe – Adds depth and can develop into a good pass rusher
  1. 213 – (OG) Desmond Wynn – Bias pick watch him play for RU. Hard noise player, adds depth, nothing wrong with depth at oline.

Didn’t go corner because I’m hoping we can grab a true starter in FA, also I have a feeling that we are going to make a hard play for Nicks. I see us resigning Spencer to a 1 or 2 year deal .

Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares

by djthumpl on Jan 21, 2012 9:34 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Not Bad

But I have a question…

If Kuechly is drafted 14th overall, where does he play? If you put him next to Lee at ILB, then where does Carter play?

Also, Ta’amu won’t last until the 4th round.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

One 1st rounder

and 2 2nd rounders – all under the age of 24?

Depth is an average to solid guy that can come in and play at the end of blowout games or because of injury. Re-signing Bradie James to a min contract is depth. Drafting Kuechly is essentially assigning him the position for the next 2 years…

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 21, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just thinking after looking at all the names around pick 14 Kuechly is the BAP on the board.

I know RR would find a way to get these young guys on the field.

Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares

by djthumpl on Jan 21, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love this draft

Except I would rather see something in the secondary at pick 2. Chase Minnifield?

by JannyDones on Jan 21, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking the samething....

But when you look at it, Bruce Irving I believe is going to be an impact pass rusher in the league. I don’t really see an impact secondary player that gives me that smae feeling. We need a starter in the secordary not an nickel back.

Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares

by djthumpl on Jan 21, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

As a MSU alum who has watched a lot of their games

We could not go wrong in drafting any of the Spartans available. These Sr and Jr were the best group of players we have had in 50 yrs.

Trent Robinson is definite playmaker and came up huge in a lot of the games over the last 2 years. There were so many times in the red zone that he would make the pick or deflection to stop a drive.

B.J Cunningham has great hands and is clutch but not the fastest WR out there. He would make a great possession WR. He reminds me of Mushin Mohammed but not as dynamic as other great MSU receivers like Andre Rison, Plaxico or Charles Rodgers

Keshawn Martin is the othrer WR we should consider. He is a 5 tool football player. He is a great punt returner and slot WR. In his career he scored a TD as a RB, WR, KR, PR and QB. He would be big boost in our special teams.

by Prime Time on Jan 21, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I really like this draft

But I think Dennard is a little small and overrated. Just go look at his bowl game

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 21, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

my hands were tied with the "no trade down" rules

and given all the needs on the team I couldn’t justify trading up for Kirkpatrick.

I think you have a take a corner in the first two rounds, regardless of what happens in free agency. Dennard doesn’t have the height I’d like, but I think in the current state of the NFL you need three starter-caliber corners, and he is the safest bet left on the board to be just that.

If Dallas gets Minnifield, Gilmore, or Jenkins in the second(or in a trade-down scenario), I won’t be complaining.

by Alan Smithee on Jan 21, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

14: Melvin Ingram OLB S Carolina
45: Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
76 for 82 & 144: Cam Johnson DE Virginia
104 for 113 & 175: Mike Brewster C Ohio St
213: Devon Wylie WR Fresno St

Add an immediate contributor at all 3 levels of the D, Brewster to challenge Costa, Wylie is a sub-4.4 guy so why not?

[I like Joe Adams WR Arkansas as a KR/speed #4 WR if we get a comp pick at the end of round 4.]

Spend FA $s on OG Nicks and/or CB Carr.

by DB23 on Jan 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Wheelin' & Dealin'

Trade 14+82+213 = 11+171+202 (Kansas City)

11) David DeCastro, OG, Stanford

47) Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia

Trade 113+171 = 102 (Washington)

102) Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame

Trade 144+175+202 = 132+163 (Tampa Bay)

132) Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh

171) Philip Blake, C, Baylor

by rudemood on Jan 21, 2012 10:49 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I know it's light on the DL

Ratliff, Hatcher at DE backed up by Colman, Lissemore
Brent at nose backed up by Spears
and/or maybe a free agent

by rudemood on Jan 21, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Or just one trade

Trade 14+82+175 = 10 (Buffalo)

10) Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

53) Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin

115) Alameda Ta’amu, DT, Washington

145) Tramain Thomas, FS, Arkansas

223) Dwight Bentley, CB, La-Lafayette

by rudemood on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

My Trade-Up Mock

14) Alfonzo Dennard- CB starting corner day one, bye Newman
45) Keven Zeitler- G/C perhaps can beat out the Yughlies to start early
66) Vinny Curry- DE/OLB solid prospect who is underated before combine, pair with other Tory grad at OLB if can’t/dont resign Spencer
175) Ryan Broyles WR- decent slot guy if he heals, worth late round risk
187) Evan Rodriguez- FB/TE didnt think he would be rated this low and i dont think he will last this long but he is a great value here and could see some snaps early as a FB or TE
213) Kellen Moore- QB a popular late round QB who is worth a shot, a camp arm if it doesnt work out.

Trade: picks 82, 113, 144 (value 282) for 66 and 180 (280.4) I lose some value here but i think higher picks are still undervalued given the new CBA and rookie scale.

Only two picks on D but they are solid IMO and i think they will both contribute early and be impact players. This draft is assuming we get some C or DLine help in FA and that is where the value will be i think. I didnt want to over spend for a CB or G as the draft is full of capable players this year. I also gave up a lot for Curry, i know, but given that article about disruptive college playes a few days ago i would love to see him in Big D. I will do another without trades when i have more time. What do you guys think?

by TEXMSMRFC on Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

14. Mark Barron –SS– This dude is good.

45. Chase Minnifield – CB – addresses a weak secondary

113. Brandon Brooks – OG – if our offense had been able to get a first down our defense wouldn’t be on the field.

144. Quentin Saulsberry –C-The best rated center at the position available

175. Akiem Hicks –DT- Let’s improve the D-Line so we can move Ratliff around

213. Mike Daniels –DT- Keep working on the D-Line, there’s bound to be a gem somewhere in here

by JannyDones on Jan 21, 2012 12:13 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

3 Players on Chia's top 50

Trade 14, 144, 175 for 13 (1156.4 for 1150)

1. (13) Michael Brockers DE

2. (45/56) Bruce Irvin OLB

3. (82/104) Michael Brewster C

4. (113/120) Jamell Fleming CB

7. (213/234) Jerrell Young FS

by Specific on Jan 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

Last year it was mostly all offense. This year it's mostly all defense.

1. (14): DE Melvin Ingram/OLB Nick Perry – Simply put, we need more pressure on the oppposing QB.
2. (45): [If Melvin Ingram] OLB Bruce Irvin/OLBJonathan Massaquoi; [If Nick Perry] Chandler Jones – Another pass rusher to complement our DE/OLB we drafted in the 1st round.
3. (82): CB Josh Norman – True small school stud; would start next to Jenkins.
4 (113): OG Brandon Brooks – Supposing we get Carl Nicks via FA, we have our O-line fixed. Supposing we don’t get him, we still have Arkin and Nagy as competitors for the other spot (and I believe Kowalski is good enough to play C).
5. (144): ILB Mychal Kendricks – We might need more depth at ILB, but I also REALLY like DE Jake Bequette at this spot, he was really productive in college and is a good player.
6. (175): QB Russell Wilson – We need a mobile and accurate QB to develop under Romo, this dude fits into that mold nicely.
7. (213): DE Jaye Howard – Played a little DT and DE for the Gators. He’s worth a look.

by LilZtretch on Jan 21, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No trades

14. Janoris Jenkins – CB

45. Bruce Irvin – OLB

82. Alameda Ta’amu – DT

113. Brandon Weeden – QB

144. Tramain Thomas – FS

175. Ryan Broyles – WR

213. Ryan Miller – OG

We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett

by White Wolf on Jan 21, 2012 1:15 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

My Cheating Trade Down Mock

I’m gonna cheat a bit with my First Trade, but in a real way, the picks I trade for are actually held by the same team(s)- this is just for fun, when you know the board ahead of time (I can see why OCC prohibited this, but this is too much fun),:

First Trade: 14 for 27 and 48, both held by NE Patriots, exactly even trade, *illegal by OCC’s rules

Second Trade: 45, 48 and 213 for 19, I lose 2.2 pts.

19) Melvin Ingram OLB, I cheated in trading down, but not in trading up with Chicago (why they wanted our 45th, 48th and our 7th rounder, I’ll never know), they’ve taken enough of our cast-offs, now maybe they’re emulating Jerry circa 2009.

27) Janoris Jenkins CB This pick and the next are rolling the dice, boom or bust, but we’ve got some catching up to do.

82) *Vontaze Burfict ILB Simply too tempting.

113) Alameda Ta’amu DT Toughest place to pick for me was here, seems to have best potential upside. Need to check injury and make sure no lasting effects.

144) Quentin Saulsberry C He’s a C/G, BPA on CBS’s and fills need, what more do you want?

175) Chris Rainey RB/ST Speed kills- another risk (he doesn’t get a texting plan with his cell phone) but a ST player (returner) with Sproles potential.

3 years down the line, this will either be a sweet haul or a WTF were you thinking mock. You know, the usual.

" ... Any one of 500 coaches could have won those Super Bowls." Jones later denied saying such a thing -- sober. So he qualified it with, yet another, infamous quote: It "was just the whiskey talking."

"...it may be the whiskey talkin', but the whiskey says I miss you, everyday..."- Fountains of Wayne

by Cowtoys on Jan 21, 2012 2:46 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

If this draft happened my head would explode

"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo

by Trueblue122 on Jan 21, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, not very likely...

you never know who or wouldn’t be there and the chances of finding exactly the right trading partner are slim. With Jenkins right at 27, I couldn’t resist the cheat.

From a mock standpoint, this would be one hell of a haul. As to whether they’d pan out, pretty risky…but like I said, we’ve got some catching up to do.

" ... Any one of 500 coaches could have won those Super Bowls." Jones later denied saying such a thing -- sober. So he qualified it with, yet another, infamous quote: It "was just the whiskey talking."

"...it may be the whiskey talkin', but the whiskey says I miss you, everyday..."- Fountains of Wayne

by Cowtoys on Jan 21, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm giving you a rec for this

My head would explode as well if this draft happened

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I know who I like in the first

but there are a few guys I lovew in the 2nd and I don’t know if I could choose just one since following the apparent rules won’t get you 2 2nds

by Pride of America on Jan 23, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

14. DE. Courtney Upshaw
Wanted Alabama corner Kirkpatrick, but the price is too high to move up. Take Upshaw and he immediately upgrades the DL rotation. After watching many Alabama games, this kid seems to step up his game in big moments.

45. CB. Chase Minnifield
Wanted Kirkpatrick, but Minnifield is a great consolation prize. Would run to the podium if he lasts this long.

Trade 82, 113 & 156 for 64 & 224
64. OLB. Jonathan Massaquoi
Pass rush specialist from Troy has worked in the past, gave up quite a bit to get him… but my gut tells me he will fit in perfect with Rob Ryan and DeMarcus Ware

144. C/G. Quinton Saulsberry
Addressed the defense early, now it’s time to address the interior line. Saulsberry played well against some of the best defenses in the country. Primarily played guard in college, but has some starts at center as well. Provides very good depth, can play multiple positions and be a future starter.

Trade 175 & 224 for 172
172. FS. Janzen Jackson
Saw Janzen still on the board and made the move to go get him. Janzen was a star at Tennessee before being released from the team. He had some serious off-field issues, but kept his nose clean at McNeese State. Would be a steal at 172 if he plays to his potential.

213. DT. Nicolas Jean-Baptiste
You can’t teach size and Jean-Baptiste is 6’2" 315. Pair him with Josh Brent (6’2" 320) and all of a sudden the Cowboys have some beef up the middle. Jean-Baptiste would also allow Ratliff to slide to DE.

Cowboys Starters
Defense:
DL: Ratliff, Brent, Upshaw
LB: Ware, Carter, Lee, Butler/Massaquoi
DB: Jenkins, Scandrick, Sensabaugh, FS: TBD

Defense gets much younger and pass rush much stronger with Massaquoi and Upshaw. Jean-Baptiste becomes a depth guy and Minnifield comes in for nickel (Scandrick in the slot and Minnifield outside).

Jackson could be a starter, but would probably struggle as a rookie – but I am very high on him as a prospect.

I have confidence in the young guys on the line and in Callahan’s ability to coach them up. There are also some good options in FA on the line. I think Saulsberry gives the Cowboys another young lineman with the tools to succeed in the NFL.

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Jan 21, 2012 3:45 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

so clearly everybody is locked into the idea that OLB is the way to go. what a disaster.

by strokes on Jan 21, 2012 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's more a matter of the player rankings on CBS

and which players are slotted higher than 14, rather than a declaration that OLB is THE position to pick in the 1st.

One has to balance BPA and needs. Ingram (and to a lesser extent Upshaw) seem the best answer given this set of assumptions and the cost of trading up (and the prohibitions on trading down.)

Put up a scenario with Kirkpatrick and/or DeCastro available and you’d see a whole different take.

" ... Any one of 500 coaches could have won those Super Bowls." Jones later denied saying such a thing -- sober. So he qualified it with, yet another, infamous quote: It "was just the whiskey talking."

"...it may be the whiskey talkin', but the whiskey says I miss you, everyday..."- Fountains of Wayne

by Cowtoys on Jan 21, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, that’s part of it i think. i didn’t think any of the options sounded great when i looked at the ranked players from 14-25. but i’m also talking about the OLB mocks being the ones getting the most votes. ppl clearly think corner is not the biggest problem, and that what this defense needs is a bookend that can make teams pay for doubling ware. i thought ryan’s thing was blitzing. it doesn’t have to be an edge rusher. and ingram’s thing seems to be just as much about shaking loose inside as it is beating the tackle outisde. it doesn’t make sense to me is all.

by strokes on Jan 21, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The mocks here have a lot of variety.

1st round is anything from G, C, ILB, OLB, CB, DE, DT to a S. And I probably missed 1 or 2.

by Rena on Jan 21, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I mean it's not like it looks like Spencer will be leaving in FA.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

And just to be clear, that is sarcasm.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I challenge anyone

to come up w/ a writeup on ANY OLB prospect that is signficantly better than the one Spencer had when he was a prospect. His reads very much like Upshaws, Curry, Masso’s, etc.

I don’t think any of these guys will be a drastic upgrade – maybe a few more sacks per year but probably quite a few more missed tackles and much worse in pass coverage. OLB in the 1st round isn’t worth the pick!

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 22, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That sounds like a pretty fallacious argument to me.

First off, it focuses on production only and seems to completely ignore the fact that a few of these OLB prospects may test as significantly better athletes than Spencer did (which is quite possible considering Spencer’s underwhelming vertical and SS times). As everyone here knows, college production doesn’t guarantee success at the next level. It is entirely possible that we may find an OLB who produced less than Spencer in college but is more capable of producing in the pros. That is just how the draft works.

Plus, imagine if you extended that argument. Do any of these corners have resumes significantly better than the one Newman had? Not really. Does that mean Claiborne has no shot to be better than Newman in the pros? No it doesn’t.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 22, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I'm missing your argument...

Newman WAS a very solid corner. If Claiborne has a similar career, I wouldn’t call it a disappointment.

As far as the stats associated w/ the 1st round graded OLBs and Spencer, yes there’s always a chance that any of the prospects could turn out to be better. There’s the SAME chance that they could be about the same or even worse. So, if you’re saying not that a better vertical / combine #s means they’ll be better players, you should reference Jason Williams (2009 Cowboys draft) – his will probably be better than most of the prospects listed.

Sooner or later, you have to watch a guy play (in college because that ‘s all you have to go on), interview him to see where his heads at and look at his combine #s and make a decision. And my contention, for now, is that most if not all of the guys who are supposed to be 1st round graded OLBs (Ingram, Upshaw, Curry, etc.) will probably look somewhat similar to Spencer. Some may be better at the rush but less at the run stoppage. Some may be beasts vs. the run but have a slow 1st step (that’s already being said about Upshaw in other posts).

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 22, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well regardless of your opinion on Newman's career, the point is that you can't use

Newman’s success or failure as some starting point from which you judge what Claiborne will become.

And I’m glad you picked Jason Williams. Clearly, there is nothing different between a small school ILB project picked in the third round and a big-time school OLB player picked in the first round.

Vertical and short shuttle matter because they are the traits most correlated with great pass rushers. And despite what everyone on here says about Spencer’s run-stopping abilities, at the end of the day everyone realizes the importance of pass rushing. It’s the reason that any of us would trade Spencer in a heartbeat for Aldon Smith or Lamar Woodley.

And yes, likely some of the guys coming out may look similar to Spencer. Once again though, that doesn’t mean they are Spencer. That is an easy and important distinction. There are no sure things with the draft, and contending that a group of players look similar to a late first round pick that has underwhelmed in no way means that those group of players are destined to be underwhelming.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 2:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Alot depends on whether Spencer is around next year.

But anyway BPA all the way

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

BIG D - #2

1. DE Nick Perry
2. CB Stephen Gilmore
3. OG Senio Kelemete
4. DT Alemeda Ta"amu
5. OC Quentin Salsberry
6. FS Tremain Johnson
7. FB Cody Johnson

redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

by IRONRAVEN on Jan 21, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

My Mock V1.0

1. DE/OLB Melvin Ingram
2. CB Janoris Jenkins (traded pick #45,82,144,175 for the 27th pick)
3. Traded away
4. NT Alameda Ta’amu (or Slot WR T.Y. Hilton if we dont lockup Laurent Robinson)
5. Traded Away
6. Traded Away
7. QB Kellen Moore

I beleive that Ingram can be had a few picks later, which if I could trade down, the mock wouldnt have had a 3rd rounder missing. Nonetheless I would be ecstatic if we could walk away from this draft with both Ingram and Jenkins.

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by 88Deztined46 on Jan 21, 2012 6:28 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

A lot like mine except you didn't cheat.

The moral? Always cheat.

lol…rec’d

" ... Any one of 500 coaches could have won those Super Bowls." Jones later denied saying such a thing -- sober. So he qualified it with, yet another, infamous quote: It "was just the whiskey talking."

"...it may be the whiskey talkin', but the whiskey says I miss you, everyday..."- Fountains of Wayne

by Cowtoys on Jan 21, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

My attempt

First trade 14+82+213=1287.2 with KC for 11+172+203=1284.8
then trade 113+144=102 with Jacsonville for 102=92
11. G David DeCastro -The O-Line will be solid
45. CB Chase Minnifield -The CB we desperately need
102. SS Harrison Smith – A safety to groom for the future
172. DT Akiem Hicks – A thick nose tackle for Rob Ryan
175. OLB Darius Fleming – A pass rusher
203. QB Kellen Moore – And a winning QB for the future

by Hotrod on Jan 21, 2012 6:40 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Not bad. Rec'd

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Roh's Mock 5.0 "Lesser Known Players"

14) Dontari Poe, NT Memphis

45) Vinny Curry, 3-4 OLB Marshall

82) George Iloka, FS Boise State

113) Brandon Brooks, G Miami of Ohio

144) Quentin Saulsberry, G/C/RT Mississippi St

175) BJ Coleman, QB Tennessee Chattanooga

213) Dwight Bentley, CB Louisiana-Lafeyette

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 21, 2012 8:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Kb Mock.

1. 14 – S – Mark Barron (18)
- Dre Kirkpatrick ideally slides to here.

2. 45 – DE – Jared Crick (48)
- Chase Minnifield option b.

3. 82 – ILB – Vontaze Burfict (87)
- works in this scenario but seems very unlikely.

4. 113 – OLB – Brandon Lindsey (132)
- a pass rusher would be huge.

5. 144 – QB – B.J. Coleman (168)
- Kevin Koger,TE works for me here as well.

6. 175 – CB – Robert Blanton (207)

7. 213 – WR – Danny Coale (307)
- will go much earlier.

by corbettkb on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

"Jerry Being Jerry" version

I know the rule are no trades down, so this is just for kicks and giggles. Jerry wheelin’ and dealin’ trades out of 1st round for a 2nd and 3rd.
2nd-Minnifield and Massaquoi
3rd-Markelle Martin and Ta"amalu
113. Brandon Brooks-OG, Miami (ohio)
144. Joe Adams-WR, Ark. He fast.
175. Akiem Hicks-DT from someplace called Regina
213. William Vlachos-C from Alabama

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Jan 22, 2012 12:08 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Free Agency

I did this based on the fact that I hope we grab a guard and a Corner in free agency. Namely Terrell Thomas and Carl Nicks

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 22, 2012 5:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I do not like adding another WR, already too many

but a late round pick I guess isn’t the end of the world…

by Pride of America on Jan 23, 2012 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah?

Well the Cowboys seem scared to put starters on Special Teams, so as good as Dez or someone like that is, they don’t like them on special teams because they can get hurt, so we might need a Punt and Kickoff returner who isn’t aspiring to do anything but that…

"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi

by ProBowlFactory on Jan 23, 2012 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Chase Minnifield versus Stephon Gilmore

Which of the guys is better?

Cause so many drafts got one of them going to the Cowboys in the second round.

You want to see combine results before mocking a draft anyway

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 7:41 AM CST reply actions  

either guy would be nice fits

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Jan 22, 2012 8:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Trumaine Johnson

Good size and I saw a highlight video and he knows how to use his height to pick off balls at his highest point. Could be special, but Montana?

by Pride of America on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

This is my shot.

1) Melvin Ingram- OLB- S.C.- Whether Spenser stays or goes we need more of a rush from this end.

2) Chase Minnefield-CB- Virg- Good football pedigree and good performance. Fills a real need.

3) Josh Norman-CB- Coastal Carolina- Maybe with this pick we get rid of Newman and Ball. Can’t have too many good corners.

4) Alemeda Ta’amu-DT- Wash- Must have the push up the middle. Rat is wearing and may have a longer career without the constant double teams.

5)Tramain Thomas-FS- Ark- Sooner or later we have to get a worthy FS. I don’t know if Thomas will be the answer, but we have to try. Looks like a good value at 5.

6) Davin Megget-RB-Mar- Good football pedigree,( even though it was for a hated rival) Scatback with quickness. Can be anything you need.

7) William Viachos- C- Ala- The words to describe him- intellegent, hardworking, good technique were music to my ears. After Gerode and Costa, intellegent would be a relief. I still like Kolwalski, but having a backup plan wouldn’t hurt.

I would still like to get a FA guard or Centre if the opportunity was there. Also, a proven Safety would be a nice insurance policy. I considered taking a QB in the 4th round, but thought next year will likely be the year the Cowboys will do that. Give a full off season to see if they make anything out of MeGee.

by oldboysfan on Jan 22, 2012 8:18 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Welcome to the blog, Dr-P

I see that you’ve been paying attention in class, and are well-versed in production ratios. That gets you the BTB equivalent of an ‘A’, a rec.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 22, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Welcome, and interesting draft.

A couple character concern guys, but a nice mix and I liked Coleman yesterday in the Shrine game.

by Rena on Jan 22, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take a stab

and I’m going to make several assumptions:
1) The team re-signs Robinson and Fiammetta, but lets Spencer & Bennett leave,
2) The team is able to sign a starting guard, a good cornerback that can at least compete for a starting job, and a veteran QB to replace Kitna.

Now for the draft I’d go
14- Melvin Ingram OLB/DE
45- Chase Minniefield CB
82- Vontaze Burfict ILB
113- Alameda Ta’amu NT
144- Tramain Thomas FS
175- George Bryan TE
213- Devon Wylie WR
If the Cowboys get a supplemental pick I’d like to see them pick up a QB or another corner.

by Son of Pete Wright on Jan 22, 2012 9:11 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Dabomb's Mock Draft

Resign Laurent, Fiammetta, Elam, Spencer
Sign a CB – Grimes or Finnegan
Do not sign Bennett
Cut Newman

Trade with KC – 14 and 82 (1280) for 11, 136 (1288)
Trade with CLE – 144 and 213 (41.2) for 132 (40)

11 – David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
45 – Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
113 – David Molk, C, Michigan
132 – Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh
136 – Josh Robinson, CB, UCF
175 – Donte Paige Moss, DE/OLB, North Carolina
213 – David Paulson, TE, Oregon

DeCastro and Tyron will be the building blocks of our OL for a decade
Molk will be good competition for Killer K and Costa. I think that he has more potential than both of them and after working with Woicik and Callahan will be a very good center.
Also he does not get pushed back so quickly, which is something I cannot take with Costa.

To me, Crick is a better version of Marcus Spears, He is big and can play the run, but has more of a pass rushing knack.
Lindsey is vastly underrated and is a very good pass rusher. Since we resign Spencer in my scenario, he does not need to start right away and can learn to play the run better.

Josh Robinson will give us CB depth behind Jenkins, Scandrick, and a signed FA.

Donte Paige Moss is worth the risk as a 6th round pick. He could become a very good player or he could be a nuisance that needs to be cut. The 6th round is a perfect place for a player like that

Paulson is an athletic TE. He can afford to bulk up and get a little stronger. He will add depth at TE which is becoming a more important part of the game in causing mismatches.

Also if we have a supplemental pick in the 6th or 7th round, I would look into a QB such as Kellen Moore or Case Keenum

by dabomb1227 on Jan 22, 2012 1:04 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

THE GET JADEVEON CLOWNEY DRAFT

Trade all picks away for choices in 2014.

by Jonathan Stern on Jan 22, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

14: Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
45: Ben Jones C Georgia
63 for 82 & 113 & 175 & 213: Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
144: Joe Adams WR Arkansas

Mercilus is a sack & fumble machine, can rush as an OLB in base & play end or tackle in the nickel D.

Ben Jones walks in and starts at C, while the young guys and Kosier fight it out for the two G spots, or maybe Carl Nicks fills one G …

Johnson and a second-tier FA corner (Tracy Porter? Terrell Thomas?) replace Newman & Ball. Maybe they sign Brandon Carr instead in not Nicks …

Adams handles all returns (they want Dez off these for the most part) and is a stretch-the-field #4 WR.

by DB23 on Jan 22, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Even better

Chase Minnifield CB Virginia at #45, then Ben Jones at 63. Much better value, I had my big board numbers mixed up previously!

by DB23 on Jan 22, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ok, here we go

Dallas realizes that paying Carl Nicks $6 mil / yr is too expensive and decides to just sign Laurent Robinson and Terrell Thomas (CB) to modest contracts. They also sign Bradie James to a 2 yr (vet minimum) contract to provide veteran leadership, play book knowledge and as a injury backup ILB for Lee and Carter. The also let Spencer go.

For the past 2 years, Dallas has drafted offense w/ the 1st pick and a LB w/ the 2nd with much success. This year will be no different.

11 – trade w/ KC (14+83 and pick up 11+172) – David DeCastro (OG). Although the Boys main needs are defense, Nicks proved to be just too costly and DeCastro provides a solution to a much needed area. With Smith and Free as the bookends, DeCastro will bring solidity for years to come.

45 – Vinny Curry (OLB) – Definite RKG type of high motor player. Has adequate rush skills and impressive run defense. Essentially, he’s expected to be a better pass rushing version of Spencer (and being picked at 45 will be substantially cheaper). If his pass rush skills don’t materialize, he will become a 2 down OLB w/ Butler replacing him on obvious pass downs.

3rd round pick traded to Chiefs. This is where the Boys would have picked up a CB (draft class value is best here). However, the acquisiton of Terrell Thomas, as mentioned above, ensure Dallas will have at least a CB3 (possibly CB2) position filled w/ someone who has experience and can play some FS if needed.

146 – Brett Roy (DT). As a 5 tech DE, he has good size and skills. Keeps his pads low and gets of the ball well. Can rush the passer and recorded sacks vs. Oregon and Boise St. Think of a Jason Hatcher clone.

5th rd Comp pick for Bowen (if received) – Josh Oglesby (OT). The Boys need an upgrade as swing tackle and Josh should compete w/ Parnell for the spot. Massive guy (6’7", 330+) from Wisconsin w/ same nastiness and run blocking technigue as most Badger O linemen. Another RKG w/ good ethic.

172 – Cliff Harris (CB). First of the WRG risky picks, but Harris has too much talent, both at CB and as PR/KR, to pass on here. He’s probably the 4th or 5th best man cover corner (behind Jenkins, Claiborne, Trufant and possibly Minnifield).

177 – Chris Rainey (WR/RB). Another WRG but with 4.3 speed and the ability to play slot WR or RB as well as PR and KR, has a tremendous value in the 5th. Will challenge for a spot at both RB3 and WR4 and play on all ST. Best known for punt blocking (had 6 in his career). Charged with aggravated stalking charges of an ex GF. Also, he’s an injury concern due to size; this is exactly why he’s a 5th round pick.

208 – Michael Williams (TE). Blocking TE from Alabama. Can catch passes but will serve as the replacement for Marty B (Phillips will be the #2 pass catching TE).

239 – Tashaun Gipson (CB/FS). Sleeper pick here. Good prospect and possible career ST guy but has the look of a bigger CB or smaller FS.

UDFA – LOTS. In fact, this is where Dallas has shown a great ability to find contributions all across the team. I project they’ll bring in several local (Dallas / mid Texas / Oklahoma) propsects to include a P, tons of CBs and WR, a couple of LBs, DTs, C and possibly even a QB like Kellen Moore (who I figure to, of course, go undrafted).

by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 22, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I like it.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Creasy729 on Jan 22, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Michael Williams

Love this guy, but im pretty sure he is not in the draft this year, seen him listed a few times now.

by corbettkb on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Mock Draft V2.0 (RGIII Edition)

First of all this is definitely not going to happen because we have too many holes but I can dream.

I traded this years first, second, 5th, and 6th as well as next years first (I gave it the value of the first pick of the second round). For the 3rd overall pick (2186 for 2200)

1. QB Robert Griffin III (A more accurate and poised version of Vick…..yes please!!)
3. CB Coryell Judie (A great value in the 3rd at a position of great need)
4. TE Ladarius Green (basically everything Martellus was supposed to be)
7. QB Kellen Moore (Poor mans Drew Brees……which is a compliment lol)

"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson

by 88Deztined46 on Jan 22, 2012 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

Oops forgot to change the last pick

Dont need Kellen Moore if we draft RGIII. The last pick would be OC William Vlachos (hard working RKG)

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by 88Deztined46 on Jan 22, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

1st Time Post, My choices for the Mock Draft

I am assuming that the Cowboys are able to acquire G Carl Nicks in the FA period.

I am also adding a new twist to this as it was not covered in the rules, but it does happen in real life. I am Trading next years 3rd round selection to Detroit for this years selection at the #87 and # 151 pick’s. ( I took the average for the 3rd round to determine my value; it ranged from 1st selection to last selection value divided by half, for a value of 190.5 points) So we get # 87 ( value at 155 points) and # 151 ( value at 31 points) or 190.5 for our pick vs 186 in return for their 2 picks.

Trade pick #14, #151, and #175 (value 1100 + 31 + 22.4 = 1153.4 points) to Arizona for pick #13 + #238 ( value 1150 + 1.6 = 1151.6)

Trade pick #45 + #144 ( value 450 + 34 = 484) to Miami for pick #42 ( value 480)

Trade pick #82 + #113 + #238 ( value 180 + 68 + 1.6 = 249.6) to Miami for pick #73 + #169 ( value 225 + 24.8 = 249.8)

Trade pick #169 + #213 ( value 24.8 + 7.2 = 32) to New Orleans for pick #155 (value 30.4)

I know it is a lot of trading but these are teams we have used as trade partners in the past or some kind of history with.

Selections are as follows:

  1. Michael Brockers DT LSU
  2. Stephen Gilmore CB S. Car
  3. Antonio Allen SS S. Car
  4. Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State ( had to trade the next yr selection here, either a hit or a miss type player)
  5. Joe Adams WR Arkansas ( has game changing speed as WR and PR/KR)

I wanted to make it a defensive draft as we need new Blood to get it going in the right direction, we have the weapons on offense, just need the line to come together and i feel with the change taking place with Smith moving to the left and Free to the right tackle this with only help our line, Nicks will solidify his side, and we can bring back Holland or Kosier to the other side, we should have one solid center out of the other 5 linemen on the roster.

Thanks Dradin

by Dradin on Jan 22, 2012 9:31 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

nice just one point your first trade won't work
I am Trading next years 3rd round selection to Detroit for this years selection at the #87 and # 151 pick’s. ( I took the average for the 3rd round to determine my value; it ranged from 1st selection to last selection value divided by half, for a value of 190.5 points) So we get # 87 ( value at 155 points) and # 151 ( value at 31 points) or 190.5 for our pick vs 186 in return for their 2 picks.

when trading future picks the value is determined by the the team it is being traded to and is generally downgraded one round per future year, and tends to be valued as the top pick in that round

to use your example, Next year’s 3rd rounder, traded this year, would be worth ~ the 97th pick this year or 112 points. Not 190.5 the year after that would be equal to the 129th(5th round, 43 points) and so on and so forth…..

OTher than That great job, though you might want to re do the mock….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 22, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome aboard the BTB train, Dardin.

Normally, you’d be green by now. I guess folks are rec’ing you because the point of this post is to make the best drafts green. Perhaps you outta introduce yourself again in another thread and we’ll get ya green. BTW, nice 5 rounds.

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by White Wolf on Jan 23, 2012 5:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, it’s called rec’ envy.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 23, 2012 7:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, my rec is pretty big.

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by White Wolf on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Draft pass rush and secondary, we can fix G/C in FA

Trade: Dallas trades 1-14 and 4-113 (1168pts) to Arizona for 1-13 (1150pts)

Round-(Pick#) :: Name, Position, School, Height, Weight, 40yard time (Sportsline/National Football Post Comments)
-———————————————————————————————————————————————————————
1-13 :: Michael Brockers DE , LSU , 6’05" 306lbs, 4.95s (Cat-quick agility, natural pass rush skills, and an explosive burst)
2-45 :: Bruce Irvin OLB, West Virginia, 6’02" 245lbs, 4.54s (Pass Rush/Blitz: Best attribute. Extreme quickness off the edge)
3-82 :: Coryell Judie, CB , Texas A&M , 5’11" 190lbs, 4.48s (high school track star, toughness, exceptional ball skills)
5-144 :: Brandon Taylor, S , LSU , 5’11" 195lbs, 4.57s (Possesses good range in space, demonstrates natural ball skills)
6-175 :: Omar Bolen, CB , Arizona , 5’10" 195lbs, 4.49s (One of the top corners in the country—until he tore his left ACL)
7-213 :: Levy Adcock, OT , Oklahoma St. , 6’06" 322lbs, 5.23s (Athleticism in pass protection, great potential as long-time starter at RT)

Cuts: Terrence Newman, Kenyon Colemon, Alan Ball, Bradie James, Keith Brooking, Frank Walker
Resign: Laurent Robinson, Abe Elam
FA Prediction: Sign a guard, lose Anthony Spencer

by wwilbur3 on Jan 23, 2012 1:34 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Technically you are only cutting one of those players

As Newman is the only one still under contract…

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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 23, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey guys I'm back finaly had to make a new account it had been so long but def. wanted to get in on this

I’m gonna base my mock on what i think the boys r gonna do FA ( signing Nicks & a DB=?)

1-14…..Melvin Ingram OLB/DE( but not as a olb ..to be kicked to DE)
2-45……Bruce Irvin-OLB ( to play OLB)
3-82……Josh Norman-CB ( i think there might be a better cb here on draft day but for this well go here)
4-113….Alameda Ta’amu-DT ( i dont think hes gonna be around in this spot but great value if he is)
5-144….Lucas Nix -OG ( lol why not nicks & nix )
6-175…. Evan Rodriguez FB ( thats another all depending on what FA does)
7-213…. Drew Butler P ( I wanted to put Bryan Anger here the best P in the draft but /rules being rules)

now if we don’t have better fronts on both side with Nicks added and this haul…..we sould pack it up before we really embarrass someone other then our-selves

by BigDBoys on Jan 23, 2012 9:56 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

ohh i should also mention that

I’m baseing this also on the fact i think we play more 43 then 34 this yr

by BigDBoys on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No Trades Mock

14—-Peter Konz/C Wisconsin
45—-Vinny Curry/OLB Marshall
82—-Coryell Judie/CB Texas A&M
113—Jamell Fleming/CB Oklahoma
144—Emmanuel Ocho/ILB Texas
175—Derek Wolfe/DL Cincinnati
213—Robert Golden/DB Arizona

by timani on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

second opinion

..14….21…Peter Konz………..Wisconsin…….1…OC…7.0….anchor OL for years
..45….66…Vince Curry……….Marshall……….8…DE…6.5…2.52 prod ratio
..82..115…Alameda Taa’mu…Washington…12…DT…6.8…high value
113..120…Jamell Fleming……Oklahoma…..16…CB…6.8C…drops on character
144..147…Mychal Kendricks..California….…6…ILB…6.3Z…thumper w range
175..187…Evan Rodriquez…..Temple……… 2…FB…6.8…..value pick
213..330…Frank Alexander…..Oklahoma.…24…DE…5.7T…1.83 prod ratio

Taa-mu is really much better at 113, but we could not trade down [per rules] and that forces the pick earlier to be able to get Fleming. If we did trade down, then we would pick up another 3rd round. The only real way to get major points to trade is with the first two rounds.
Expect to sign a FA CB in addition

by Dr-P on Jan 24, 2012 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind your version Dr-P.

I think either DeCastro or Konz would really stabalize our line. That would let the other guys fight it our for for G and G or C and G. Then we can concentrate on defense. I went with three DB’s because, well, we need new blood back there. I really haven’t seen Taa’mu play, but I hear he’s a little slow and doesn’t offer much in the pass rush, so I went with Wolfe a little lower so I could load up on talented CB’s in Judie and Fleming.

Both the Kendricks and Ocho picks have the same goal in mind. ILB depth to help with Carter and Lee’s injury histories, while I think Evan Rodriguz would be a nice addition to the offense.

We really need to wait until after the Senior Bowl and combine to get a better feel for who will be around anyway.

by timani on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, just noticed your mock from a couple days ago, Dr-P

I like your style. I almost mocked your mock to perfection.

by timani on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

good strategy is good style

Needless to say as the top 4 picks were the same of my original mock, I appreciate the thought process of how you put together your mock.

I added a second opinion, which also seems to parallel your thoughts with ILB. I like Acho, but think Kendricks is a better choice. Reasonable folks can disagree but getting either would suffice.

I understand the concept of getting multiple picks at one position. Every pick has some risk and one can mitigate that risk by having multiple candidates. We did that when we chose Jenkins and Scandrick hoping at least one would work out. Originally, I chose Judie and Fleming with the same thought process. I liked your choice of Bolden of Arizona and gave him strong thought to him both times on value.

I came to conclude that we should get at least one FA CB. Rookies have a learning curve even talented guys like Peterson last year.

For the same reason I changed from my original thought of drafting a QB to groom. My thought process started with Foles on value, but went to Coleman to be able to get other skills. That same process shifted to get Taa’mu in the second mock.

115 for a 113 fourth pick would be ideal. I think my use of the 3rd round pick is too early, but had to use that to fit in others. I would have loved to make a trade using other picks but after the 2nd round the points just don’t add very much. With the rules in place one can’t trade down. One has to have rules like this in place otherwise everybody trades down to get the guyts that they want; however, In reality, I think we do trade down in first round and get addtional picks.

You chose another DL at a lower round. Bunting says Wolfe has a good potential at a two gap 3/4 five technique. Lower potential but good value at a later pick

I think Rodriquez would help the offense as much as anybody we could add. We saw how much better the team was with Fiammetta. Yet as much as many gave him great credit that really just showed how poorly we had done in the recent past. His PFF ratings indicate that is still an area that we need help while Rodrriquez is Buntings second best FB.

by Dr-P on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

If we can sign OG Carl Nicks and our own Gs (and Cs) step it up, we can live without David Decastro.

1. (14) OLB Courtney Upshaw
Wes Bunting Impression:
I like him as a 34 outside backer who can play on the strong side, take on linemen at the point and also rush the passer. He’s at his best attacking downhill, using his strong hands to disengage and always is around the football. Looks like a year one starter to me at the next level with scheme versatility.

2. (45) DE Billy Winn
Wes Bunting Impression:
Winn is a bit of a tweener who will get looks as a 43 DE, a 34 DE and a 43 one gapping DT. I think he’s best suited to play 34 DE as he has the power to anchor on the edge and offers some pass rush ability as well. Either way, the guy looks like a starting caliber defensive lineman in any number of schemes.

3. (82) FS George Iloka
Wes Bunting Impression:
He’s a balanced, coordinated kid who keeps his feet under him when changing directions and can turn and run. Doesn’t give up much separation, knows how to make plays on the football and if he can improve as a tackler looks like a guy who warrants a starting job in the NFL down the line.

4. (113) CB Jamell Fleming
Wes Bunting Impression:
He’s a balanced, coordinated kid who keeps his feet under him when changing directions and can turn and run. Doesn’t give up much separation, knows how to make plays on the football and if he can improve as a tackler looks like a guy who warrants a starting job in the NFL down the line.

5. (144) ILB Emmanuel Acho
Wes Bunting Impression:
Isn’t a dynamic straight-line athlete, but plays faster because of instincts. Is a good tackler, can shed blocks and plays stronger than his frame would indicate. Looks coordinated vs. the pass game but isn’t the type of quick-twitch athlete who has the ability to hold up in man coverage vs. backs out of the backfield. Looks much more effective as a zone cover guy. Has the versatility to play a number of spots in a 4-3 scheme or get some looks inside in a 34.

6. (175) CB/KR Asa Jackson
Wes Bunting Impression:
Showcases a good burst driving on the football, takes good angles and isn’t afraid to drive and tackle. Will stick his head in the action and for a small corner exhibits good wrap-up ability and toughness to his game. Also, adds some talent in the return game. Showcases a good feel in the open field, can make defenders miss and accelerate quickly to daylight. An intriguing small-school corner with some natural fluidity, foot quickness and ball skills. Plays bigger than his frame would suggest because of length and at worst looks like a potential slot defender at the next level.

7. (213) QB Kellen Moore
Wes Bunting Impression:
From a mental standpoint, Moore grades out about as high as you can in this area. He’s able to decipher information quickly; he’s a magician with his pre-snap reads and routinely finds secondary targets underneath and locates his hot man. He’s simply not a guy who is going to force a defense to cover the entire field at the next level because of his limited arm strength, but he’s a hard worker who puts in the time

by cwbys on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

Correction

3. (82) FS George Iloka
Wes Bunting Impression: From Senior Bowl Practice Notes:
Boise State safety George Iloka is a tall, long athlete with an athletic build and certainly looks the part in the deep half. He did a nice job Monday anticipating routes in cover one, showcasing a slight burst and covering some ground in the deep half. He still gets a bit leggy at times in his drop and when trying to re-direct. But, possesses some natural athleticism and was consistently putting himself in position to make plays.

by cwbys on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

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