Scouts View: Building the Player Profile
This season I was hired by an NFL team as a contract scout. They wanted to take full advantage of the depth of the DB class this year. This particular team has had great success at drafting over the last 7 years with their HC, scouting and player personnel departments working very closely together.
My first meeting was in June with members of the coaching staff, scouts, player personnel department, cap manager and the members of their stats and analytics department along with select people from the medical and psychology fields. The point of this meeting was to review and discuss what they called the critical factors in a player profile that would help them identify players who could have long-term success in the NFL. These were in addition to the measurable and skills that are evaluated in a traditional scouting model. This is what they believe makes up their version of an RKG. The profile was broken down into 7 areas or critical factors. The following is taken from my handouts and notes.
The 7 critical factors.
1. Confirmed Speed: This is timed using 10, 20 and 40 yard dash. A grade is assigned based on speed chart for each position
2. Play Speed: How fast you think he plays in practice and games. Is he any faster or slower than how he ran?
3. QAB (Quickness, Agility, Balance): The athleticism of the player; the "heart of the heart"
a. Stride: Does he have long medium or short stride.
b. Quickness: ignition, explosiveness, any sudden movement, ability to catapult or leapfrog
c. Agility: nimbleness, adroitness, ease of movement, ability to move
d. Body Balance: basic equilibrium, ability not to fall on face
e. Quick Feet: "Happy feet" - ability to move feet so quickly, nimble to get the job done. Athleticism starts at the feet and goes all the way up
f. COD (Change of Direction): see discussion of feet above
g. Acceleration: a seen quickening of speed; burst
h. Flexibility: elastic, pliable as opposed to stiff, starchy, rigid Flexibility as in functional flexibility; football flexibility
i. Ease of Movement
j. Overall Body Coordination
4. Competitor
a. Toughness: plays with pain, resilient
b. Win at all cost: fierce, do anything to win.
c. Aggressiveness: he initiates the action, vicious, combative, a hitter
d. Clutch Player: doing the right thing at the right time in the ballgame, making the
plays when you need them
e. Determined to be the Best: you hear a lot of this from the position coach, weight
coach plus what you perceive
f. 2nd Effort: no quit, never say die
5. Character
a. Coachable: takes direction from coaches and does what he is asked to do.
b. Shows Leadership Qualities: both by example and as a leader.
c. Enjoys Football
d. Training Habits
e. Stability: Does he have a drug or alcohol problem. Has he been arrested?
f. Team Player
6. Mental Alertness
In situations applying to football and everyday life
a. Learns Quickly
d. Retains Once He Has It: Once he has it, does he retain it?
e. Adjusts Quickly to Strange or New Situations (Alertness): Ex: he's working all week vs. the 3-4, now he faces a 4-3 Man Defense on the opening play. Can he make the adjustment?
f. Shows That He Sees Things Happening (Awareness): we call it INSTINCT (and LB's must have it). Is he aware before it happens? Does he understand angles? Where to run, where to break, where to throw, etc ... Example: WR who cuts 8 yds on 3rd and 9 or who runs out of bounds
7. Strength and Explosion
a. Delivers Blows (Does He Pop Leather When He Hits)
b. Arm Strength (Upper Body Development)
c. B.P. Strength
d. Leg Strength (Lower Body Development)
e. A Hitter
f. Durability
g. Functional Strength: Does he stay square when he hits someone or does he roll? Does he anchor?
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well by this:
This particular team has had great success at drafting over the last 7 years with their HC, scouting and player personnel departments working very closely together.
we know it wasn’t Dallas…haha
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 22, 2012 2:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting insight as to how they break down players.
BD, do you run into Cowboys scouts on the road and how sharp do they appear to you? We all worry about Jerry, Stephen and Jasons decision making, but without good analysis from the scouts, we’ll never move forward.
I see their scouts regularly and are friends with many of them
Garrett, Stephen and Ciskowski have structured their draft and player eveluation very similar to the team I contract for.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Read an interesting article
in the Dallas Cowboys Star magazine last year pertaining to a few days in the life of dallas scout Mitch LaPoint. Found it truly interesting and it gave me a new respect on how detailed the player evaluation process is. You guys work countless hours to make the teams drafts successful.
Mitch stays very busy
Having the Southeast with all of the football programs there is a job abd a half.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Each are rated on a scale of 1 to 9
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
With as many moving parts to the final grade it would make it almost impossible to break it like that
I have talked about the Critical Factors part and the measuables. There is also the skills breakdown, game breakdown, numerous test grades that are given, medical and injury grades, analytics grades, Pro Scouting grade and coaches grade.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Yeah I'm a pretty big baseball guy and a lot of people I know hate the 20-80 scale
Just use it just because, I guess. Doesn’t like a very good way to evaluate talent.
by Omar Little on Jan 31, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Good info
Thanks buddy.
Do you find that your analysis of a player live vs. tape review varies? And the same with team “scout” tape versus game “tv” tape?
I use coaches tape for player skill evaluation on the field
When I am live at a game I am more looking at how a player interacts with his coaches and team through the course of a game. This gives me some good insight to his charcter and competitor rankings. When I see guys who come off of the feild and they are talking with their position coach or coordinator I look to see if he is shacking his head no, has an attitude or is he watching and listening his coach, is he talking and communicating with his teammates.
It is hard to evalute skill watching tv tape or a game live. You will catch some stuff, but when I watch tape I may rewatch the same play 3, 4 times or more for each player I am evaluating.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
+1
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 23, 2012 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
I've heard that the Senior Bowl week
is also a job fair for assistant coaches. Is this where we find the assistant secondary coach to complete our staff BD? Hoping for the final coaching hire soon.
This is really a big week for assistants and guys like me
This is my time to not only scout but pitch my services to agents, draft prospects and teams. Combine week is another big week. I normaly steer clear of the Pro Bowl and Super Bowl. These are the weeks I start working with draft prospects. After this week, other than some meetings, I will be done with scouting for this draft.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I would like to thank all of the commenter’s
With the high standard and great posters on BTB along with the best set of front page writers out there, this is a tough site to bring your best to. I just hope I can answer everyones questions and do a good scouting series of posts this year leading up to the draft.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
This is awesome, as always BD
I really like the way you write – you refer to players and team personnel with respect and insight rather than some of the hyperbole and mean-spiritedness we get from other sources. Thanks, man and best of luck.
Don't believe everything you think.
couple of questions
how did you get into scouting, how did you get this job?
what type of background do you need?
are you assigned a certain position group or do you scout more than one?
since you work for another team, that is well structured, what is your take on our current system?
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 PM CST reply actions
Great Questions Chia
I want to know this as well
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
yeah I am curious too
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
Chia, thanks for the question
I had played football in college and had very close friends who played and are now coaches in college or the NFL. I would work for them as time allowed during my military career. As I was leaving the Army in early 2007 a friend of mine who was a college coach asked me to work with 2 of his players who were entering the draft. I did so for no pay and after both had great combines and pro days and were drafted both hired me as a personal offseason coach and to work with them during the season. Over the next few years I gained more clients. Most of my clients are current Cowboys. I wanted to get into scouting after my first year on a contract basis so I chose to scout 5 players and covered all expenses on my own and sent the reports out to NFL teams. I did this every year paying all travel expenses on my own. It was just this last year that I was finally hired to scout DB’s for a team in this years draft.
As for the structure and what Dallas is doing I think they are on the right track now. I do think there was a disconnect during Wades years. I think Garrett started putting his fingerprint on the draft starting in 2010. I think if you look at 2010 and 2011 drafts the Cowboys have gotten some good players. The structure of the Cowboys college and pro scouting departments and the interaction they now have with the coaching staff is very similar to the team I contract for. Last offseason the Cowboys even started an inhouse statts and analysis department.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
cool
yeah, I think under Garrett the scouting department has looked like it is working better
thanks for your response
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
question
what players in this years draft do you like for the Cowboys?
any dark horses/pet cats?
do you know if the Cowboys have any interest in certain players this draft?
what do you think about Melvin Ingram?
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
There are a number of very solid and high quality guys in this years draft
I like Ingram a lot. I like what I have seen on him and think he would be a great fit for the Cowboys. While most scouts project him to play in a 4-3 defense I think most agrre he can be just as good playing in a 3-4 defense.
A kid to watch this week is Asa Jackson. He is a small school DB from Cal Poly. Very fast and versital. Great DB who dominates at that small school level and a threat returning punts. Solid tackler who could play as a nickle or dime corner his first year and play on all special teams units. He is one of the small school invites to the Senior Bowl this week so keep an eye out for reports on him this week.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Great insight
That’s cool Jason has put his stamp on this team through the draft and player evaluation process.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Birddog, Quick Question
You said the team you were hired to contract scout for this year has had great success drafting the past 7 years with their HC, Scouting, and Player Personnel Departments working together. If you don’t mind me asking, can I take a stab at which teams this might be: judging by teams with the longest tenured HC, I have two guesses:
1) New England Patriots
2) New York Giants
These are my guesses for the following reasons:
a) The Parcells connection to both teams-Parcells, from what I understand helped Jerry fix the player personnel and scouting departments.
b) Jason’s connection with the Giants- as he played for them in the 4 years immediately before Eli was drafted, and the Giants wanted him to be involved in their front office.
c) Jason hiring former Patriots LB coach, Rob Ryan and former Strength and Conditioning coach, Mike Woicik.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I was gonna guess the Giants or Patriots myself
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
good point
it really could only be 3 of those teams really, because he said the HC has been there for a while
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's the eagles
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yeah, he's like that.
I carry a couple of secrets that could result in my sudden disappearance if divulged.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
It was worth a shot
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
great post
i am very grateful for this post. i have often wondered how teams come to the conclusions that they do about particular players. very good insight.
Very interesting, B26
What no one has been able to really decode for me is an analysis of the drills that the star players at each position in the NFL excelled at.
For instance, at OLB, did Von Miller, Clay Matthews and DeMarcus Ware all have some common thread of high performance in any one drill?
How about QB’s? Why was it that people couldn’t see greatness in Joe Montana during the pre-draft process? How come Andy Dalton and Drew Brees last until the 2nd round? What did teams not measure correctly?
Nose Tackles? what separates BJ Raji from Dan Williams from Gabe Watson? What Combine or pro day measurements set them apart from their peers, if any?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Part of the problem is using the traditional scouting model of watch film and take combine and pro day measurments
Under a traditional scouting model you have a grade chart for all measurements. Guy is X height and weight so a chart says he gets X grade. He ran X time in his 40 so the chart for his position group says he gets an X grade for that. He played in an option or spread offense so the chart says you deduct x from his grade.
On top of all this you end up with a scout and GM saying he gets X points for intangibles. Basically they say he just looks like a football player. Ask them what that is and almost every scout that uses just a traditional model will tell, I don’t know what it is, but I know it when I see it.
The team I work for took a lot of time, research and money to identify and measure what exactly those intangibles are. What is outlined above is a part of that. They also use brain analytics to measure other intangibles such as vision. We talk about QB’s and running backs having great vision. So what actually is great vision? It is the brains ability to quickly see patterns and diagnose where those patterns are moving to.
Currently there are only about 8 teams in football that are changing their model of scouting. Every year MIT/Sloan school holds a Sports Analytics Conference. They have videos of all of their past panels and speakers posted on their website. Much of what I will touch on in my scouts view series is discussed in depth there.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
That's awesome
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Referring to brain analytics
This has to be where a test like wonderlic comes in, right?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yes, the Wonderlic is used to score intelligence
There are much better tests out there though.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
That's interesting, but triangle numbers are not telling based on every draft I've gone back and looked at
If they were, Vernon Gholston would be well on his way to a HOF career instead of smiling and thanking me for my 50 cents every morning at the toll booth.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Scouts fell in love with his physical gifts but over looked his short comings
He did not play any football before high school and did not even play on defense until his senior year. He waas very raw in technique and just relied on power. I did a scouting report on him for a friend before his draft’
" Has loose hips to drop back in pass coverage, but when he gets too tall in his backpedal, he fails to get a clean turn coming out of his breaks…Instinctive player, but is still a relatively new to the game and needs more reps to help him gain experience, as he relies on his athletic ability…Has improved his technique, but can’t be considered a technician using his hands or displaying an array of pass rush moves…Must develop a better feel for blocking schemes, as he doesn’t always protect his body from cut blocks and is not yet consistent at splitting double teams…Can be fooled by misdirection and while he gives total effort, he sometimes can’t find the ball until it is past him."
I think this also pretty much summed up how he played in the NFL, but against the higher level of competition it only got worse. I saw him as maybe a 5th rounder who could develop.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
NFL.com agreed with you
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/vernon-gholston?id=756#tabs:tab-analysis
Verbatim
Has loose hips to drop back in pass coverage, but when he gets too tall in his backpedal, he fails to get a clean turn coming out of his breaks
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I would hope they would agree
They picked it up from Blesto Scouting who I orginaly wrote it for.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Ha! Perfect.
Thanks for taking the time to write this, and other insightful posts. I’m obviously an outsider, but would like to get into part of this work when I retire (the PI/following people around/background part).
You writing this type of series will be phenomenal, I really look forward to it – its the kind of insider information that the football junkies that gravitate to blogs like this drool over.
Thanks again.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Couldn't have said it better mysefl
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Hey birddog
Good work. What do you think of Emil Igwenagu out of UMass? and what position do you think he is best fit for in the NFL?
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 23, 2012 3:45 PM CST reply actions
Could you have picked a more versital player to ask about
I think he is a late round/UDFA as a TE/H Back. He would be a good pickup for the Cowboys as a priority UDFA. He still needs to develop but does have a strong work ethic and high charcter. He is a smart kid. I think he was hurt by being spread around so much but he does show good blocking, route running skills.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Birddog26
I sent you an email, I have your address from one email in the summer you sent me
check your email, I have an idea I wanted to run by you
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 7:15 PM CST reply actions
Always love your stuff.
It sounds like the Cowboys are moving in the right direction with their scouting, which is the one thing that really matters to us.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Hehe, yeah, that is me to. I would love to work with him, and get to see all this stuff.
But I try not to ask questions as I know he can’t answer some things.
WHO IS THE MYSTERY TEAM!?!??!
Haha, I kid.
by BrickTop on Jan 24, 2012 8:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Excellent read! Thanks Birddog!
You make it easier for those of us not totally in the know. Look forward to more.
Do you think Devon Still is the best DT coming out? It seems that Penn State players up until now (O’Brien already changed the S&C) have been a bit weak physically, coming into the draft. Do you think he is NFL ready strength wise?
I hate to be negative on Still but
I do not see him as a first round pick, let alone a top 10. I think many people are expecting the same production in the NFL as his former teammate Jared Odrick had this last season. When I watch him, I do not see the same range of moves and effectiveness that Odrick had in college. While he is quick on the snap he really does not play quick. You do not see him persuing and running down plays. I think at this point he is more of a 2 down run stopper and will need to develop in the NFL and this will take time.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I can see where you are coming from
I think Still is talented, but never put it all together, he really reminds me a lot of Marcus Spears
I think Odrick was a better prospect maybe
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Tje cowboys don't need guys who despite their talent never put it all together
We need guys who know how to put their talents to good use and produce. Potential that never materializes before turning pro is a tall order to expect the light to finally go on once paychecks start coming in.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Ok - I wasn't going to ask you about a specific player...
But since you just talked about Still, I guess its ok to.
Vontaze Burfict…your thoughts on him? Would he be the kind of guy the Cowboys would touch with a ten foot pole? How about if that ten foot pole were still around in the late second round?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Nick, as a scout I will be personaly honest
Burfict has very good skill. I have a concern with his on field issues and whether they have or could also translate to off field issues. Without being dirrectly involved with the full process of building his player profile, going through all of the interviews, and bringing in some specialists that can help determine whether he is just a pasoinate kid or some one with mental health and rage issues, I cannot answer that. Is he a guy like Ratliff or Jeffery Dahmer.
If he is a Ratliff type guy who just needs some mentoring and coaching to keep him in check on the field and is a saint off the field, I think he is can be a very great talent. If he is Dahmer then stay away. But without a full scouting job done I cannot make that call.
Sorry if I could not answer with a yes or no, but I want to be honest with you.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
In your estimation
Would the cowboys consider him? Or would they not even put him on their big board?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yes they will take a look at him
He can be a very good player and make a huge impact onn the defense. He will just need more evaluation into the root cause of his problems on the field.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
What are your thoughts on FA cornerbacks
Of the bunch that are out there, which would seem most likely to fit in our scheme and be atrong upgrade? I know Finnegan has been abused several times by Andre Johnson, but he seems like a feisty press corner that could get in Desean’s head pretty quickly. I just don’t think his speed would hold up to the Eagles and Giants faster receivers but if he could stone them at the line, would he be a good pick-up? Thanks for the insight-really interesting.
Together, we WILL make it happen!
by nikeorlipstick on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I like Finnegan. He gives you a physical and nasty streak for a CB
He does not get intimidated by anyone. He will need help over the top with some of the fast recievers out there but he will wear them down through the game. He is one I like. He gets a somewhat bad rap for penalties, but he is a team leader and a high character guy off the field. He was the one during last offseason the organized workouts for the Titan players during the lockout and was able to get 40 players there.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Top Notch Birddog.
Appreciate the insight. This post gives a good look at how deep a scout must dig.
Who looks to be the smartest, toughest, baddest, pass rushing bully there?
Any one there that will strike fear into the heart of an offense, crush their dreams, be an icon, and a star?
I like Ingram, Coples and Upshaw.
They can be monsters. Burfict, Ta’amu, Brockers have that potential also.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Thanks for the great insight Birddog..
Rec…
I know a lot of people have been inquiring about the prospects coming up for the draft… But I have a couple questions outside of it.. I am curiuos to know, scouts take, about a couple things. First your take on B. Carter.. Anything you have on him in college and what little he was able to show this season.. Also as a DB scout, is there any FA DB’s that we could/should target?
I know this is a little off topic but any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again
I loved Carter in college
Watching him play you knew he was special. He really had it all. Great skills, smart, high character, great vision. He was always around the ball. Can play the ILB position with no problem and be a big contributor on special teams also. The tandem of him and Lee gives us 2 guys who can play sideline to sideline and make big plays. From a scouts view I see Carter being every bit as good as Lee and they will be a very dominate force.
Guy who due to size will probably be a UDFA is Asa Jackson, DB from Cal Poly. He is a fast kid who dominated in college at that smaller school level. He has looked good here at practices and drills at the senior bowl. He would be a perfect fit for the Cowboys. He could play in some of the Boy’s sub packages his first year. He is a big threat when returning punts where I think any team that takes him will get a lot of value in his first year.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
great stuff BD
I enjoyed reading your stuff last year and look forward to more this year.
assuming you aren’t just fooling all of us into thinking you are a scout…its refreshing to read things about players from an actual scouting point of view rather than people who try to be while watching you tube videos of players.
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
You're not comparing Birddog26 to Lee Ford, are you?
BD has been around enough that we can see his heart. I love the fact that he’s a Cowboys fan, even though his principal employment is with another team – probably one that beat the Cowboys at least once this past season. In fact, his expertise probably helped keep the Cowboys out of the playoffs as a result.
Birddog, I for one love reading everything you write. I’ve been a Cowboys fan for more than forty years, but I have learned something in every one of your posts.
Thank you for helping each of us to build optimism in our team and its future.
I am not ready to hand over the crown that I Am Ironman!!! gave me.
(Hands over crown)... Dude seriously you are the most optimistic Fan in the world……
--by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 17, 2011 4:55 AM CST
I like both of them
Decastro is a force at guard. You can go back and look at his games the last 3 years and you do not see him getting beat. He has very quick feet and can pull and block. Stanford is not what you would consider a program with a strong running attack but the averaged over 200 yeard rushing a game. His pass protection skills are one reason Luck is considered the top QB in the draft. Off the top of my head I think Luck was only sacked like 8 or 9 times this last season. If the Cowboys take him at #14 I think it is a great pick.
Konz is another great blocker with quick feet and can pull and get outside to block. My only concern is what is his longterm health outlook. If the doctors think the blood clotting is a 1 time issue I would say take him.
When you look at both Decastro and Konz and the strong points of both Smith and Free who also have quick feet and can pull and block you start to see the potential of that line. Either would be a great addition to the Cowboys who can start in their first year and have an impact.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Rec'd for the initial insights
but even more importantly, that you kindly answered everyone’s questions in the comments section – great work BD!
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Lucy, Thank You
I want to answer any question I can. For me it is easy to engage about talk about the Cowboys. This is something I really love. When it comes draft time, I love to talk about prospects. I am a huge Cowboys fan but also a huge football fan. I really do not hate teams but there are some I pull for or certain players I pull for. I grew up with football and during my time on deployments I always took in as much football as possible. Lucky it was the internet age.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
What other guards do you note who have that elite talent? I hear The tackle from Midwestern state will be converted to a guard at the NFL level is one. What about Usemele?
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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 26, 2012 6:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
rec
are you allowed to release names of first 5 you scouted on your dime, maybe a post in future on who is doing well or not….and after investing all that time in players (i assume meeting family ,freinds,coachs etc) an attachment is formed . Are there some who you thought highly of and struggling that you ve simply had to pick up the phone and say “Lets big daddy Birddog tell you what needs to happen son” or do you totally seperate yourself from the players after scouting.
"once, I helped Thomas Henderson, Charlie Waters and D.D. Lewis figure out the diameter of a tree from a string they'd wrapped around it". Blaine Nye
The first 5 I scouted
Vernon Gholston, Mike Jenkins, Matt Flynn, Terrell Thomas and Josh Sitton. I had previuos ties to Sitton and Jenkins.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
what was your view of Jenkins then
and how do you see him now?
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
I liked his skills
The only knock on his skills was a little for footwork in his backpedal but that was fixable. He had great speed. Solid first round pick on skills alone. He did have charcter concerns due to an arrest his last year. This dropped his stock from a mid to a late 1st round pick.
I thought he really quit on himself and the team in 2010. 2011 he cam back strong but the shoulder injuries really affected him. There were times he could not get his arm above his shoulder but he showed some true spirit and just went out and played hard.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
First round guys
First thanks, great stuff!! We hear every year that their are only about 20 guys (give or take) thats actually recieve 1st round grades. Based on the chart you showed and its graded 1-9. What is the average grade for a first round pick.
This is only 1 part of the overall grade
This along with a players position skill grade, tests and medical determine his final grade. This part is used to determine his probability of longterm succes in the NFL.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

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